Which group would pass better in Europe, Anglo-Indians or Spanish-Filipinos?

[GaneshD'Souza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoCS8fTVUgI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxyeAEdzlo

[GaneshD'Souza]

I think Indians since Indians are already Caucasian. So Anglo-Indians would basically look Southern European

[Zroota]

Anglo Indians because they generally tend to look southern European, if a bit odd looking.

https://im.idiva.com/content/2019/Feb/idiva_anglo_indians_2.jpg

Spanish Filipinos usually come out looking as Mestizo or Castizo (at least on the Mestizo end of that).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/ca/fe/f6cafef1aea74ef264c122773a34f2a6.jpg

But there are exceptions, as Ben Kingsley (Anglo Indian) looks more Iranian or West Asian and Enrique Iglesias (Spanish Filipino mix) kinda passes as a full Iberian.

[Kamal900]

Anglo Indians because they generally tend to look southern European, if a bit odd looking.

https://im.idiva.com/content/2019/Feb/idiva_anglo_indians_2.jpg

Spanish Filipinos usually come out looking as Mestizo or Castizo (at least on the Mestizo end of that).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/ca/fe/f6cafef1aea74ef264c122773a34f2a6.jpg

But there are exceptions, as Ben Kingsley (Anglo Indian) looks more Iranian or West Asian and Enrique Iglesias (Spanish Filipino mix) kinda passes as a full Iberian.

Yeah. Indians who mixed with Western Eurasians in general will have children who have a much better time in assimilating to their non-Indian parent's side and ethnicity which is why many Persian Gulf Arabs have significant South Asian admixture. Half Indians half MENA:
http://i.imgur.com/VkzukXU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Nx5drhL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ltWSXTe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D96BJ5X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cPHgNkr.jpg
https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000073175742-az4j7h-t500x500.jpg

[Zroota]

Yeah. Indians who mixed with Western Eurasians in general will have children who have a much better time in assimilating to their non-Indian parent's side and ethnicity which is why many Persian Gulf Arabs have significant South Asian admixture. Half Indians half MENA:
http://i.imgur.com/VkzukXU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Nx5drhL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ltWSXTe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D96BJ5X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cPHgNkr.jpg
https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000073175742-az4j7h-t500x500.jpg
Wait, they're half MENA? They look half European. Interesting...

[GaneshD'Souza]

Anglo Indians because they generally tend to look southern European, if a bit odd looking.

https://im.idiva.com/content/2019/Feb/idiva_anglo_indians_2.jpg

Spanish Filipinos usually come out looking as Mestizo or Castizo (at least on the Mestizo end of that).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/ca/fe/f6cafef1aea74ef264c122773a34f2a6.jpg

But there are exceptions, as Ben Kingsley (Anglo Indian) looks more Iranian or West Asian and Enrique Iglesias (Spanish Filipino mix) kinda passes as a full Iberian.

What about families like this. Both parents are Spanish-Filipinos, still living in the Philippines.
https://i.ibb.co/tXY0GPj/81935042-302217630734448-3346435249644804911-n.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jW96TpM/presss.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jgXQWwt/scan0025.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/cyrBVMZ/Clipboard02.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Q8fGg6W/35415470-10212340810420862-462955495498448896-n.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/M2HyBQG/12377591-10208530663161077-8166712416995269716-o.jpg

Could they pass as Anglo-Indians, or even Southern European?

[Zroota]

What about families like this. Both parents are Spanish-Filipinos, still living in the Philippines.
https://i.ibb.co/tXY0GPj/81935042-302217630734448-3346435249644804911-n.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jW96TpM/presss.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jgXQWwt/scan0025.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/cyrBVMZ/Clipboard02.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Q8fGg6W/35415470-10212340810420862-462955495498448896-n.jpg

Could they pass as Anglo-Indians, or even Southern European?
Some of them look full European to me. Perhaps they just have residual Filipino blood? I doubt they are 50% Filipino (besides the father who looks less European). :confused:

[GaneshD'Souza]

Some of them look full European to me. Perhaps they just have residual Filipino blood? I doubt they are 50% Filipino (besides the father who looks less European). :confused:

Filipino is a nationality, not a race. And the original definition of "Filipino" was a Spanish person born in the Philippines. Their ancestors have been in the Philippines since the 1800s, so they've always been Filipino. 100%

[lameduck]

Yeah. Indians who mixed with Western Eurasians in general will have children who have a much better time in assimilating to their non-Indian parent's side and ethnicity which is why many Persian Gulf Arabs have significant South Asian admixture. Half Indians half MENA:
http://i.imgur.com/VkzukXU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Nx5drhL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ltWSXTe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D96BJ5X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cPHgNkr.jpg
https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000073175742-az4j7h-t500x500.jpg

last guys are half pakis half lebs , we are not indians , here are there parents(dad pak punjabi, mom leb muslim)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClXyTv3WQAAhLDl?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdAjXmnUQAAVlWd?format=jpg&name=large

[Thambi]

spanish-filipinos pass better.

filipinos look pseudo latino. so pseudo latino + spaniard would just make them look predominantly european

Anglo-indians = caucasoid + australoid. so they'll look max half european.

[GaneshD'Souza]

Anglo Indians because they generally tend to look southern European, if a bit odd looking.

Spanish Filipinos usually come out looking as Mestizo or Castizo (at least on the Mestizo end of that). [/img]

But there are exceptions, as Ben Kingsley (Anglo Indian) looks more Iranian or West Asian and Enrique Iglesias (Spanish Filipino mix) kinda passes as a full Iberian.

Btw- there is a range of what's considered mestizo or Spanish-Filipino in the Philippines. Anyone who looks visibly mixed with European is considered mestizo to Filipinos.

So from Manny Pacquiao's wife (and twin sister), who are maybe 25% Spanish at the very most- are considered mestizas
https://i.ibb.co/b52Hy0D/spo3-jinkee-pacquiao-janet-jamora-2019-07-20-23-27-18.jpg

All the way to this family- who look almost pure Spanish- they're also considered mestizos in the Philippines
https://metrozines.com/art/msoc/2007/n02/msoc_2007_n02_p194_a01_v01.jpg

Even in Enrique Iglesias' family, there's a range. Here's his Filipino mom
https://i.ibb.co/1QnkTws/XIII-Prix-Di-logo-Ceremonia-de-entrega-26929489404-cropped.jpg
She just looks Filipino to me

But her sister looks white
https://i.ibb.co/3YST7Sx/52898389-10155851185877687-7662596980371095552-n.jpg
I remember seeing her in a mall in the Philippines and I thought she was a foreign tourist, but then I heard her speaking Tagalog.

Here is her daughter's family. The husband is from another Spanish-Filipino family. They still live in the Philippines.
https://i.ibb.co/M2HyBQG/12377591-10208530663161077-8166712416995269716-o.jpg

Most of Enrique Iglesias' Filipino side still lives in the Philippines, and they look mostly look whiter than he does

[GaneshD'Souza]

spanish-filipinos pass better.

filipinos look pseudo latino. so pseudo latino + spaniard would just make them look predominantly european

Anglo-indians = caucasoid + australoid. so they'll look max half european.

Anglo-Indians are Caucasoid (British) + Caucasoid/Australoid (Indian)- So they would be 75% Caucasoid at the very least. You would think they would look more European than Spanish-Filipinos, but it doesnt seem that way. Maybe their British blood is heavily diluted by Indian blood. Or maybe Indian genes are just stronger than Filipino genes.

[Zroota]

Filipino is a nationality, not a race. And the original definition of "Filipino" was a Spanish person born in the Philippines. Their ancestors have been in the Philippines since the 1800s, so they've always been Filipino. 100%
I didn't know that. I thought Spanish Filipinos were ethnic Filipinos with partial Spanish ancestry.

This changes the whole idea of this thread now -- So of course a Spanish person (whether he's from the Philippines or Venezuela) will pass better in Europe than an Anglo Indian as the latter are partially non-European.

[GaneshD'Souza]

I didn't know that. I thought Spanish Filipinos were ethnic Filipinos with partial Spanish ancestry.

This changes the whole idea of this thread now -- So of course a Spanish person (whether he's from the Philippines or Venezuela) will pass better in Europe than an Anglo Indian as the latter are partially non-European.

It varies widely. It can be a person with 25% Spanish all the way to a person who is 100% Spanish. It's about looking visibly mixed with Spanish, and of course having Spanish culture and language as well, but being from the Philippines. I thought it would be equivalent to Anglo-Indian. There are Anglo-Indians who look only a little bit British, all the way to Anglo-Indians who look 100% British. Right?

[Thambi]

It varies widely. It can be a person with 25% Spanish all the way to a person who is 100% Spanish. It's about looking visibly mixed with Spanish, and of course having Spanish culture and language as well, but being from the Philippines. I thought it would be equivalent to Anglo-Indian. There are Anglo-Indians who look only a little bit British, all the way to Anglo-Indians who look 100% British. Right?

yeah anglo indians can range from prtially british to fully british who just happen to be born in india. seems to be the same definition with spanish filipinos? But anyways on average spanish filipinos look closer to fully spanish/white while anglo indians on average are very mixed.

[Zroota]

It varies widely. It can be a person with 25% Spanish all the way to a person who is 100% Spanish. It's about looking visibly mixed with Spanish, and of course having Spanish culture and language as well, but being from the Philippines. I thought it would be equivalent to Anglo-Indian. There are Anglo-Indians who look only a little bit British, all the way to Anglo-Indians who look 100% British. Right?
Yes, but in fairness you should compare half ethnic Filipinos and half Spanish Filipinos to Anglo Indians, don't you reckon? Posting pics of Filipino nationals that are (as you say) mostly Spanish mix and look full European is not really fair. Of course they would pass better than Anglo Indians, who are 50% non-European and above all else would come from a pretty dark-skinned ethnicity and would even possess Indic features. It's about being consistent and fair.

You should've been more specific in that regard in the opening post. Because I did suspect that these very European looking people here were virtually Spanish/European. So of course they'd pass better in Europe than Anglo-Indians (who are only around 50% white). They look more on the European side (so, if anything, 85% European, 15% Filipino?):

https://metrozines.com/art/msoc/2007/n02/msoc_2007_n02_p194_a01_v01.jpg

Also, are these people really ethnic Spanish? They mostly look like Anglo Americans, the many of them (perhaps with some Spanish and slight Filipino admix). The USA had colonised the Philippines in the early 20th century. So that will make a lot of sense. And your photos say a thousand words:

https://i.ibb.co/M2HyBQG/12377591-10208530663161077-8166712416995269716-o.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jgXQWwt/scan0025.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jW96TpM/presss.jpg

Honestly, some individuals above look like they are Anglo admixed as well. Can you clarify that please?

[GaneshD'Souza]

Yes, but in fairness you should compare half ethnic Filipinos and half Spanish Filipinos to Anglo Indians, don't you reckon? Posting pics of Filipino nationals that are (as you say) mostly Spanish mix and look full European is not really fair. Of course they would pass better than Anglo Indians, who are 50% non-European and above all else would come from a pretty dark-skinned ethnicity and would even possess Indic features. It's about being consistent and fair.

You should've been more specific in that regard in the opening post. Because I did suspect that these very European looking people here were virtually Spanish/European. So of course they'd pass better in Europe than Anglo-Indians (who are only around 50% white).

https://i.ibb.co/jgXQWwt/scan0025.jpg

Maybe the whitest-looking Anglo-Indian moved to the UK, so the Anglo-Indians still in India are mostly heavily mixed with Indian. On the other hand, a lot of the whitest Spanish-Filipinos chose to remain in the Philippines. Maybe because the cultural differences between a Spanish-Filipino and the general population aren't as great as the cultural differences between an Anglo-Indian and the general population. Spanish-Filipinos are the same religion, eat the same foods, have the same traditions, etc. as the general Filipino population.

[GaneshD'Souza]

This Spanish-Filipino guy looks a bit mixed. Do you think he could pass as India? I can see it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8nrID2VJic

[GaneshD'Souza]

Yes, but in fairness you should compare half ethnic Filipinos and half Spanish Filipinos to Anglo Indians, don't you reckon? Posting pics of Filipino nationals that are (as you say) mostly Spanish mix and look full European is not really fair. Of course they would pass better than Anglo Indians, who are 50% non-European and above all else would come from a pretty dark-skinned ethnicity and would even possess Indic features. It's about being consistent and fair.

You should've been more specific in that regard in the opening post. Because I did suspect that these very European looking people here were virtually Spanish/European. So of course they'd pass better in Europe than Anglo-Indians (who are only around 50% white). They look more on the European side (so, if anything, 85% European, 15% Filipino?):

https://metrozines.com/art/msoc/2007/n02/msoc_2007_n02_p194_a01_v01.jpg

Also, are these people really ethnic Spanish? They mostly look like Anglo Americans, the many of them (perhaps with some Spanish and slight Filipino admix). The USA had colonised the Philippines in the early 20th century. So that will make a lot of sense. And your photos say a thousand words:

https://i.ibb.co/M2HyBQG/12377591-10208530663161077-8166712416995269716-o.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jgXQWwt/scan0025.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jW96TpM/presss.jpg

Honestly, some individuals above look like they are Anglo admixed as well. Can you clarify that please?

I don't think any are mixed with American, but it's possible they're mixed with other types of European, like British, French, and German. It was common for other European groups to settle in the Philippines for business. They usually married into established Spanish families, because they were white. It happened all the way through the American period, because business was booming in the Philippines.

I know the mother in this family's surname is "Cabarrus"
https://i.ibb.co/jgXQWwt/scan0025.jpg
She's descended from François Cabarrus- who was French & Spanish ancestry but settled in the Philippines in the 1800s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Cabarrus
The father is from the Aboitiz family, which is Basque-descent. I think they might have some British ancestry too, but I'm not sure

The other families I posted, I haven't heard of them having any other type of admixture.

But this other famous family- the Zobel de Ayalas. They're descended from German and Spanish ancestors who came to the Philippines in the 1800s. Most Filipinos only think they're Spanish-descent, but they're also German too. The German ancestry is very distant though
https://static.rappler.com/images/CNN%20Talk%20Asia%20-%20Ayala%20Brothers.jpg

This family looks more mixed- their last name is "De Lange" which is Dutch. But their Dutch ancestor married into a Spanish-Filipino family.
https://i.ibb.co/SsgWByN/15110290-10205816933342687-3375331521135696400-o.jpg
Their parents, on the left side and right side...
https://i.ibb.co/7CHctCm/Designs-Ligna-Owner-Nicholaas-de-Lange-Mari-Gomez-Rosanne-de-Lange.jpg

This family's last name is Lhuillier, which is French. They came to the Philippines more recently, but also married into Spanish-Filipino families
https://i.ibb.co/n3nPLp9/11169158-10152641707972168-3986101988796657208-o.jpg

Many more example like that. There were German and French parts of Manila in the early 1900s

[Arsen_]

Yeah. Indians who mixed with Western Eurasians in general will have children who have a much better time in assimilating to their non-Indian parent's side and ethnicity which is why many Persian Gulf Arabs have significant South Asian admixture. Half Indians half MENA:
https://i.imgur.com/D96BJ5X.jpg


This one is half Armenian

[Grace O'Malley]

It varies widely. It can be a person with 25% Spanish all the way to a person who is 100% Spanish. It's about looking visibly mixed with Spanish, and of course having Spanish culture and language as well, but being from the Philippines. I thought it would be equivalent to Anglo-Indian. There are Anglo-Indians who look only a little bit British, all the way to Anglo-Indians who look 100% British. Right?

It would be unusual to see an Anglo-Indian who looks 100% British. There are some like Cliff Richard but he is a minority of what they look like. Most have obvious Indian ancestry that is visible. From knowing many Anglo-Indians they seem to use that term Anglo even if they are Portuguese or French admixed or have any other European ancestry. It is just a blanket term for European mixed Indian.

[GaneshD'Souza]

It would be unusual to see an Anglo-Indian who looks 100% British. There are some like Cliff Richard but he is a minority of what they look like. Most have obvious Indian ancestry that is visible. From knowing many Anglo-Indians they seem to use that term Anglo even if they are Portuguese or French admixed or have any other European ancestry. It is just a blanket term for European mixed Indian.

Yeah, and Cliff Richard's family moved to the UK after India's independence. So that's goes along with my theory that most of the white-passing Anglo-Indians left India, leaving mostly Indian-passing Anglo-Indians.

[Zroota]

It would be unusual to see an Anglo-Indian who looks 100% British. There are some like Cliff Richard but he is a minority of what they look like. Most have obvious Indian ancestry that is visible. From knowing many Anglo-Indians they seem to use that term Anglo even if they are Portuguese or French admixed or have any other European ancestry. It is just a blanket term for European mixed Indian.
Wait, isn't Cliff primarily of English descent, with partial Welsh and Spanish ancestry?

[Sora]

I guess Spanish-Filipinos. I saw Katrina Kaif looks full Indian while she's half English. But Enrique Iglesias looks full Spanish while he's half Filipino.

They're just examples though...

[GaneshD'Souza]

I guess Spanish-Filipinos. I saw Katrina Kaif looks full Indian while she's half English. But Enrique Iglesias looks full Spanish while he's half Filipino.

They're just examples though...

I honestly don't know how Enrique Iglesias is considered white-passing. He looks half Filipino, which makes him not look white. He would pass better in India IMO than in Europe

[GaneshD'Souza]

The women in all of these families are Enrique Iglesias' cousins in the Philippines, from the Preysler side

https://i.ibb.co/2hybtxX/16711817-10154460904589576-1330099422233022513-n.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/jW96TpM/presss.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/ZG1vLLS/Clipboard02.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/M2HyBQG/12377591-10208530663161077-8166712416995269716-o.jpg

The fathers in the families are all from other mestizo Filipino families. Funny how Enrique's Filipino family looks more European than he does. I would never consider Enrique Iglesias as a white person.