Autosomal DNA results doesn’t affect the look of an ethnicity so much. Right?

[thenewestmember]

For example some ethnicity is autosomally very far from another ethnicity but when it comes to looks, these two are very close. At the same time, two ethnicity are autosomally very close to each other but when it comes to looks, they are very different.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Sorry?

[thenewestmember]

Sorry?

For example some ethnicity is autosomally very far from another ethnicity but when it comes to looks, these two are very close. At the same time, two ethnicity are autosomally very close to each other but when it comes to looks, they are very different.

[Rgvgjhvv]

For example some ethnicity is autosomally very far from another ethnicity but when it comes to looks, these two are very close. At the same time, two ethnicity are autosomally very close to each other but when it comes to looks, they are very different.

Yes I find that to be true as well, definitely.

[thenewestmember]

Persian Iranians autosomally closer to Georgians but when it comes to looks they look more Afghan or Paki.

[Sora]

True. For example; Tajikistani Tajiks are nearly 25% Mongoloid but look full Caucasoid. But Nogais are vice versa, although they have the same Mongoloid amount as Tajiks.

[Kyp]

True. For example; Tajikistani Tajiks are nearly 25% Mongoloid but look full Caucasoid. But Nogais are vice versa, although they have the same Mongoloid amount as Tajiks.

They are 16% on average I think. 25% is not common. Afghan Tajiks are only 7-10%.
They have mongoloid features often. I don't know what you mean.

Nogays have 22% + they are mixed with brachy Dinarid/Mtebid types.

[Sora]

They are 16% on average I think. 25% is not common. Afghan Tajiks are only 7-10%.
They have mongoloid features often. I don't know what you mean.


Most of Tajik sampes from Tajikistan I've ever seen are mostly +20%. Even my friend sent me a half Tajik half Kurdish sample who scores 22% Mongoloid

[Leto]

That's wrong and you asked this question before. Autosomal DNA is crucial when we talk about entire groups. Otherwise, say, Georgians and Russians would be indistinguishable from each other.

[Leto]

True. For example; Tajikistani Tajiks are nearly 25% Mongoloid but look full Caucasoid. But Nogais are vice versa, although they have the same Mongoloid amount as Tajiks.
They are not 25% mongoloid on average. More like 15% and it does show sometimes. Tajikistan has a lot of Uzbeks and as a result of that, many mixed marriages because nothing prevents them from mixing (same religion and lifestyle).

What Nogais are you talking about? Qara Nogais, I believe, are more Mongoloid than that.

[Kyp]

Autosomal DNA matters most if you ask me.

[Leto]

Persian Iranians autosomally closer to Georgians but when it comes to looks they look more Afghan or Paki.
The chances are there is simply no unassimilated Georgian community in Iran. Most likely they are heavily mixed with Persians.

[Leto]

Autosomal DNA matters most if you ask me. Georgians clearly look non-european too.
They're not very dark most of the time though. Lighter than Azerbaijanis and no, I'm not saying this because they are Christians. For that matter all Caucasians and West Asians are considered "black" in Slavic Russia. Not that I personally use it indiscriminately. Georgians do have a higher percentage of light eyes and hair than both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.

[Ford]

Yes, this is true. Me and Dušan are both Serbs and plot similarly but look worlds apart.

[Kyp]

They're not very dark most of the time though. Lighter than Azerbaijanis and no, I'm not saying this because they are Christians. For that matter all Caucasians and West Asians are considered "black" in Slavic Russia. Not that I personally use it indiscriminately. Georgians do have a higher percentage of light eyes and hair than both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.

Being light doesn't equal being European. Other features are clearly more West Asian leaning.

[Leto]

Being light doesn't equal being European. Other features are clearly more West Asian leaning.
Yes, they usually look distinct. But they are Caucasoid of course. It's their European HG that is low. Otherwise their Mongoloid and South Indian is almost non-existent. I believe Laz in NE Turkey are only 5% North_European on average. Georgians in Georgia are close to 10%, I think.

[Leto]

Yes, this is true. Me and Dušan are both Serbs and plot similarly but look worlds apart.
What do you look like? Do you share your photos? :)

[Ford]

What do you look like? Do you share your photos? :)

I usually don't share my photo, but maybe I can send to you later. Only a few know what I look like and most said West Balkans and Italy, but I've also heard Chechen.

[Ford]

I usually don't share my photo, but maybe I can send to you later. Only a few know what I look like and most said West Balkans and Italy, but I've also heard Chechen.

Which is pretty funny btw considering my brother can easily pass in Scandinavia (confirmed first hand), but we should both be autosomally very similar.

[Dušan]

Yes, this is true. Me and Dušan are both Serbs and plot similarly but look worlds apart.

Don't exaggerate, I am not Ethiopian and you are not Korean. :)
There is some difference in pigmentation, not big deal.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Of course it does and it's the most important factor. Adaptation to environment is BS as europeans that moved to Americas or Africa did not turn into mongoloids or blacks. The same is true for asians and africans that moved out of their homelands.

[Dorian]

Yes, they usually look distinct. But they are Caucasoid of course. It's their European HG that is low. Otherwise their Mongoloid and South Indian is almost non-existent. I believe Laz in NE Turkey are only 5% North_European on average. Georgians in Georgia are close to 10%, I think.

The HG level is irrelevant since Laz or Georgians will have the alleles for "Russian" looks to some extent ,at some point a proto-ancestor group of Russians would be "like" Georgians too , the difference is that the first heavily selected and also/or drifted and "bleached" the rest of 99,99% irrelevant-to-shaping-phenotype autosomal "profile" that you later associate with their look.

It's just a 0,01% that shapes it and selection ,the only reason that you can predict looks based on such "profiles" is because(it seems) there's no reason to select against most types(which are not that many anyways) or in favor of others or it happens gradually and we're not aware ..not because the majority of autosomal has effect.

Just saying this though for the sake of the topic.It's right in the sense that you can kinda predict based on it , wrong in the sense that it's not because of the whole autosomal.

[Nomansman]

Most of Tajik sampes from Tajikistan I've ever seen are mostly +20%. Even my friend sent me a half Tajik half Kurdish sample who scores 22% Mongoloid

You seen uzbekis then. Many uzbeks are tajikfied and vice versa

[Leto]

You seen uzbekis then. Many uzbeks are tajikfied and vice versa
Yes, because the two republics were created by the Bolsheviks and before them there was no stark delineation between ethnicities in Central Asia, people mostly identified with a lifestyle (sedentary vs. nomadic). Tajiks and Uzbeks were all Sunni Muslim farmers, many were even bilingual. Their clothes and food are also very similar.

[Fiko0]

They're not very dark most of the time though. Lighter than Azerbaijanis and no, I'm not saying this because they are Christians. For that matter all Caucasians and West Asians are considered "black" in Slavic Russia. Not that I personally use it indiscriminately. Georgians do have a higher percentage of light eyes and hair than both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.

I'm Caucasian. My brother has green eyes, father, uncle and grandpa light blue eyes. My mothers side also all are light eyed.
Dont know if this means something.

[Leto]

I'm Caucasian. My brother has green eyes, father, uncle and grandpa light blue eyes. My mothers side also all are light eyed.
Dont know if this means something.
That's pretty cool. Go ahead and share your HarappaWorld results here if you can
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318119-Harappaworld-west-central-and-south-asian-results-2

[thenewestmember]

Of course it does and it's the most important factor. Adaptation to environment is BS as europeans that moved to Americas or Africa did not turn into mongoloids or blacks. The same is true for asians and africans that moved out of their homelands.

yes but these whites in Americas and Africa are very new to the lands. consider Persians that they looks more Afghan or Paki but automatically closer to Georgians and Armenians.

[Zmey Gorynych]

yes but these whites in Americas and Africa are very new to the lands. consider Persians that they looks more Afghan or Paki but automatically closer to Georgians and Armenians.
Trivial and most likely erroneous observation.

[Leto]

yes but these whites in Americas and Africa are very new to the lands. consider Persians that they looks more Afghan or Paki but automatically closer to Georgians and Armenians.
Maybe closer but certainly not identical. Persians are much more Southern than Georgians.

[Kyp]

Maybe closer but certainly not identical. Persians are much more Southern than Georgians.

Lol

Distance to: Swedish
69.02195882 Iran_Central_East
70.97543378 Iranian_Fars
73.82641804 Iranian
74.11922827 Iranians
74.81218751 Iran_Mazandaran
80.07840720 Georgian_Gurian
80.33956560 Georgian_Svan
80.53956419 Georgia_Jews
82.05911710 Georgian_Imereti
82.41166908 Georgian_Mingrelian


But yes Iranians have more non-caucasoid DNA than Georgians.

[Leto]

Lol

Distance to: Swedish
69.02195882 Iran_Central_East
70.97543378 Iranian_Fars
73.82641804 Iranian
74.11922827 Iranians
74.81218751 Iran_Mazandaran
80.07840720 Georgian_Gurian
80.33956560 Georgian_Svan
80.53956419 Georgia_Jews
82.05911710 Georgian_Imereti
82.41166908 Georgian_Mingrelian


But yes Iranians have more non-caucasoid DNA than Georgians.
Their Caucasoid is swarthier too. Gedrosia is an extremely hot and arid region, who would expect light people to be named after that region?

[Kyp]

Their Caucasoid is swarthier too. Gedrosia is an extremely hot and arid region, who would expect light people to be named after that region?

I know. I was just responding to your statement in saying Iranians are far more southern genetically.

[Nomansman]

I know. I was just responding to your statement in saying Iranians are far more southern genetically.

Iranians are still more southern than georgians, since theyre closer to south asians compared to georgians by long shot. Theyre just more steppe.

Georgians are really far from europeans, but georgians are a lot closer to europeans compared to south asians than iranians are(although theyre not close to south asians at all either)

[Oghuz]

Iranians are still more southern than georgians, since theyre closer to south asians compared to georgians by long shot. Theyre just more steppe.

Georgians are really far from europeans, but georgians are a lot closer to europeans compared to south asians than iranians are(although theyre not close to south asians at all either)

if you mean Baloch or Gedrosian component than its not South Asian. Its southern Iranic itself as Iran_N originated in Western Iran and migrated towards east. All in all pure south asian AASI component in an average Iranian (remember population density map) wont be higher than 5 %. I am basing that on the following ...

ASI = Iran_N (30-40%) + AASI (60-70%)

[Nomansman]

if you mean Baloch or Gedrosian component than its not South Asian. Its southern Iranic itself as Iran_N originated in Western Iran and migrated towards east. All in all pure south asian AASI component in an average Iranian (remember population density map) wont be higher than 5 %. I am basing that on the following ...

ASI = Iran_N (30-40%) + AASI (60-70%)


Having more gedrosian still pulls you more towards south asians though.

[**JC**]

Interesting.
I have dark brown hair and dark brown eyes and have a somewhat olive complexion and bronze easily in the summer months, whereas my brother is sandy blonde, blue eyed and fair skinned, we're really chalk and cheese autosomally speaking.
Me - southern shifted possible Frankish/Celtic looks
Bro - northern shifted possible Norse/Germanic looks