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Alboz
03-21-2020, 10:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6PTXzcCaPg

Div
03-21-2020, 10:02 PM
Hero

brennus dux gallorum
03-21-2020, 10:09 PM
How can Albanians admire people who killed their ancestors and even call them "heroes"? Lol

Anaximander
03-21-2020, 10:18 PM
How can Albanians admire people who killed their ancestors and even call them "heroes"? Lol

Isnt it pathetic???

Even my ancestors from Souli, killed them relentlesly.
REMEMBER NAPOLEON ZERVAS WAS FROM SOULI, AND HE WAS THE NIGHTMARE OF ALBO MUSLIMANS

Anaximander
03-21-2020, 10:25 PM
Hero


Epirote Hero
NEVER ALBANIAN HERO.

Alboz
03-21-2020, 10:28 PM
Hero

It's fascinating. It was a civil Albanian war at that time. Albanians working in the Ottoman Empire vs Orthodox Albanians. I'm glad that later, we decided that religion can't define our national identity (but only language and blood)

Thanks to that, now we can see things like this:

Believers of Muslim and Christian faith praying in Laçi church (Albania)

https://i.imgur.com/OIZuaXD.jpg

Anaximander
03-21-2020, 10:31 PM
Did u see the faces of these people in the documentary.
You are turks.

brennus dux gallorum
03-21-2020, 10:35 PM
It's fascinating. It was a civil Albanian war at that time. Albanians working in the Ottoman Empire vs Orthodox Albanians. I'm glad that later, we decided that religion can't define our national identity (but only language and blood)

Thanks to that, now we can see things like this:

Believers of Muslim and Christian faith praying in Laçi church (Albania)

https://i.imgur.com/OIZuaXD.jpg

If that makes you feel better then we will make you the favor and say "whatever", even if it has nothing to do with historical reality (because in case that you ignore it souli hardly nade up a 10% of the revolution)

Even if it was an "Albanian civil war" (which i repeat it doesn't even make sense as there was a 90% of people who had nothing to do with arvanites in the revolution), since your ancestors belong to the ottoman Albanian side and were killed by these people, isn't it masochistic to admire the killers of your ancestors?

Isn't there anything to make you proud as Albanian?

And whatever you decided doesn't change the fact that an 70% of your people have Islamic bg

Tauromachos
03-21-2020, 11:16 PM
Dinarid is Dinarid,what can we do

Div
03-21-2020, 11:21 PM
It's fascinating. It was a civil Albanian war at that time. Albanians working in the Ottoman Empire vs Orthodox Albanians.]

There wasn't a civil war because civil wars imply a civil government, at that time the Albanians were ruled by a group of Islamic tribal oligarchs known as Pashas.

Also all Albanians were Orthodox before the schism of 1054

Renekton
03-21-2020, 11:24 PM
Dinarid

Rgvgjhvv
03-21-2020, 11:47 PM
Wth lol

wvwvw
03-21-2020, 11:56 PM
Botsaris was a Souliotis, ie a Romios. O grammatikos tou, Vasilis Goudas (Born in Ioannina) says that clearly in the description of his funeral at Mesologgi.

Chams called Souliotes as ''Graikous''. Athanasios Psallidas, a secretary of Ali Pasha, stated that Souli (also known as Kakosouli) contained Greek fighters who fought against the Albanians for many years. Beli Pasha, son of Ali Pasha, sent letters to his father from April to December 1803 calling the Souliotes "Romans", "Romioi" and "Romegans", that is, ethnic Greeks.

Div
03-22-2020, 04:35 AM
Keta greket do thuan qe c'do shqiptare ne histori me nje cik pushtet eshte grek. Hej zot i madhe!

Alboz
03-22-2020, 11:25 AM
There wasn't a civil war because civil wars imply a civil government, at that time the Albanians were ruled by a group of Islamic tribal oligarchs known as Pashas.

Also all Albanians were Orthodox before the schism of 1054

With "civil war" i mean that it was Albanians vs Albanians.

I know that Albanians were orthodox initially.

Alboz
03-22-2020, 11:38 AM
Keta greket do thuan qe c'do shqiptare ne histori me nje cik pushtet eshte grek. Hej zot i madhe!

It's irrelevant. We have to look of what foreigners, travelling in the Ottoman Empire, have wrote about them.

Captain of Suliote Albanians

https://i.imgur.com/UJoxDQv.jpg

Div
03-22-2020, 11:55 AM
Botsaris was a Souliotis, ie a Romios. O grammatikos tou, Vasilis Goudas (Born in Ioannina) says that clearly in the description of his funeral at Mesologgi.

Chams called Souliotes as ''Graikous''. Athanasios Psallidas, a secretary of Ali Pasha, stated that Souli (also known as Kakosouli) contained Greek fighters who fought against the Albanians for many years. Beli Pasha, son of Ali Pasha, sent letters to his father from April to December 1803 calling the Souliotes "Romans", "Romioi" and "Romegans", that is, ethnic Greeks.

Woman, I hate to rain on your parade but you are spewing out nonsense. Why are you so insistant that everything is Greek? Ali Pasha was at best a pragmatic intriguer and at worst a bloodthirsty warlord. The city of Voskopoja was a thriving hub for Orthodox Albanians, Greeks, and Vlachs until they resisted him. Only for him and his Lab followers to sack the city. Do you honestly sympathize with that, given what the Turks did to relics in your country?

I've talked to you before, and while I'm sure you may be a very nice person in real life. You seem to be very concerned about injustice. Frankly your chauvinism clouds you judgement often.

Thanas Django
03-22-2020, 11:58 AM
It's fascinating.

What's fascinating is that there is a cycle of 3-5 years where the same national ideologies clash against each other until the members of both sides examine their own ideas and reach a common truth. The members who support these ideas then just grow out of this forum and do something else. Then some other new members replace them and start over.

You can just look up conversations on the topics that touch you from ever since the forum was created and read them. It's the same cycle.

brennus dux gallorum
03-22-2020, 12:32 PM
It's irrelevant. We have to look of what foreigners, travelling in the Ottoman Empire, have wrote about them.

Captain of Suliote Albanians

Are you able to understand that whatever their background was, they joined the revolution of Greeks and killed your own freakin ancestors or you're so desperate in your attempt to find something to make you proud of your Albanian background that you end up admiring your own ancestor's killers?

Hurriedin Barbarossa was of Greek origins, but no Greek is so desperate and wannabe to consider him a hero since he killed other Greeks in the name of ottomans, no matters if he was so important for the ottomans that technically he expanded the life of the ottoman empire for 2 centuries

It's really disgusting to see a whole nation worshipping people who killed their ancestors

Ujku
03-23-2020, 07:48 PM
What's fascinating is that there is a cycle of 3-5 years where the same national ideologies clash against each other until the members of both sides examine their own ideas and reach a common truth. The members who support these ideas then just grow out of this forum and do something else. Then some other new members replace them and start over.

You can just look up conversations on the topics that touch you from ever since the forum was created and read them. It's the same cycle.

We've discussed this so many times i won't even bother replying ..

Ujku
03-23-2020, 07:48 PM
Are you able to understand that whatever their background was, they joined the revolution of Greeks and killed your own freakin ancestors or you're so desperate in your attempt to find something to make you proud of your Albanian background that you end up admiring your own ancestor's killers?

Hurriedin Barbarossa was of Greek origins, but no Greek is so desperate and wannabe to consider him a hero since he killed other Greeks in the name of ottomans, no matters if he was so important for the ottomans that technically he expanded the life of the ottoman empire for 2 centuries

It's really disgusting to see a whole nation worshipping people who killed their ancestors

His father was Albanian his mother was Greek !

mamacia
03-25-2020, 11:36 PM
Albanians fusing into other populations. This is just another sad part of our history.