Can this Filipino guy pass as Spanish or is he just a depigmented Filipino?

[GaneshD'Souza]

His phenotype is a bit strange/rare.
https://i.ibb.co/3Tdb9GN/Arjo-Atayde-Hanggang-Saan.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/vvJQqPW/84157250-839519519817336-3431813826546486498-n.jpg

Sorry, this was the only pic that I was sure he wasn't wearing makeup
https://i.ibb.co/x14dcPb/76860594-767762470358890-2190487973830175356-n-jpg-nc-ht-scontent-mia3-2-cdninstagram.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/99wR3h4/69714353-545213952886140-2430570482944105471-n.jpg

[Sora]

I think yes. Very atypical for a Filipino. Even can pass as Turkish

[Adamm]

I dont think he's fully Filipino.

[GaneshD'Souza]

I dont think he's fully Filipino.

He's full Filipino. Here is his family
https://i.ibb.co/C7wdBFp/47246d215f3376bc3942873fb1352ae7.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/JHcjsmK/Screenshot-2018-04-13-11-59-36-1.png

Both his parents are Filipino. But maybe further back, he has other ancestry

[GaneshD'Souza]

double post

[Adamm]

He's full Filipino. Here is his family
https://i.ibb.co/C7wdBFp/47246d215f3376bc3942873fb1352ae7.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/JHcjsmK/Screenshot-2018-04-13-11-59-36-1.png

Both his parents are Filipino. But maybe further back, he has other ancestry

Maybe he has Spanish ancestry? When I said that he does not look fully Filipino I mean that in a genetically way, his father also doesn't look genetically Filipino.

[GaneshD'Souza]

Maybe he has Spanish ancestry? When I said that he does not look fully Filipino I mean that in a genetically way, his father also doesn't look genetically Filipino.

Yeah, and weirdly he looks more European than both of his parents.

What can he pass as?

[GaneshD'Souza]

Bump. Where would he pass best?

[Zuh]

Looks like a castizo Mexican to me tbh

[Thambi]

Atlanto med + Deutero Malayid

looks hapa

[Rgvgjhvv]

Cool

[guyinsf]

If I saw him in person I would not think he's fully Spanish, I see the asian in him.

[PaleoEuropean]

That dude is definitely mixed with Spanish.

[NPKTO]

75% Spanish - 25% Filipino.

[GaneshD'Souza]

75% Spanish - 25% Filipino.

Judging by what his parents look like, no
https://i.ibb.co/C7wdBFp/47246d215f3376bc3942873fb1352ae7.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/JHcjsmK/Screenshot-2018-04-13-11-59-36-1.png

Dad looks maybe 50% European at the very most. And mom looks 25% European at the very most. So he's like 30-40% European

[Gota_type_]

He looks asian. No one here would consider him other thing than an Asian. He looks like he is the son of a white and an asian, but still an Asian.

Enrique Iglesias is half Filipino and he still looks Spanish. His brother Julio looks more asian.

https://www.pudahuel.cl/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/iglesias_dinastia.jpg
https://larepublica.pe/resizer/bjZINudhwF45Zm2SvpCz1czv9vY=/538x0/top/larepublica.pe/resizer/nzP3OXpqOvaNYCymLhZSCY_BtEQ=/538x0/top/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gruporepublica.s3.amazonaws.com/public/JZ73ZV7UTZGTVDUYUEXLEXT5ZU.jpg

[chociprasa]

Nah, he looks like he is from the Philippines. Looks around 50% European, though, so quite unusual for the Philippines.

[Xacal]

Mestizo

[GaneshD'Souza]

He looks asian. No one here would consider him other thing than an Asian. He looks like he is the son of a white and an asian, but still an Asian.

Enrique Iglesias is half Filipino and he still looks Spanish. His brother Julio looks more asian.

https://www.pudahuel.cl/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/iglesias_dinastia.jpg
https://larepublica.pe/resizer/bjZINudhwF45Zm2SvpCz1czv9vY=/538x0/top/larepublica.pe/resizer/nzP3OXpqOvaNYCymLhZSCY_BtEQ=/538x0/top/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gruporepublica.s3.amazonaws.com/public/JZ73ZV7UTZGTVDUYUEXLEXT5ZU.jpg

Enrique Iglesias clearly looks Asian. Look at this eyes.

On the other hand, look at his relatives still living in the Philippines. They look much whiter than him...

This is his mom's sister
https://i.ibb.co/3YST7Sx/52898389-10155851185877687-7662596980371095552-n.jpg

This is her daughter. The husband is also Filipino, but from another Spanish-descended family
https://i.ibb.co/M2HyBQG/12377591-10208530663161077-8166712416995269716-o.jpg

Here's another cousin
https://i.ibb.co/2hybtxX/16711817-10154460904589576-1330099422233022513-n.jpg

The woman in this family is another cousin of his. The husband is from another Filipino family of Spanish-descent
https://i.ibb.co/jW96TpM/presss.jpg

The woman in this family is another cousin of his. The husband is from another Filipino family of Spanish-descent.
https://i.ibb.co/ZG1vLLS/Clipboard02.jpg

^Compared to them, Enrique looks not white. I dont know what universe Enrique Iglesias is considered white.

[Gota_type_]

E

^Compared to them, Enrique looks not white. I dont know what universe Enrique Iglesias is considered white.

In some pictures he looks somehow asian in others he looks normal southern European:

https://www.lecturas.com/medio/2017/07/27/enrique-iglesias_dbbe58c6_800x490.jpg

https://www.neuepresse.de/var/storage/images/np/nachrichten/szene/uebersicht/enrique-iglesias-befummelt-fan-auf-der-buehne/89743-1-ger-DE/Enrique-Iglesias-befummelt-Fan-auf-der-Buehne_big_teaser_article.jpg

The picture I put previously with his brother and father had bad lighting, so he looked like more ethnic.

[gixajo]

Judging by what his parents look like, no
https://i.ibb.co/C7wdBFp/47246d215f3376bc3942873fb1352ae7.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/JHcjsmK/Screenshot-2018-04-13-11-59-36-1.png

Dad looks maybe 50% European at the very most. And mom looks 25% European at the very most. So he's like 30-40% European

This family is not 100% filipino, no way.

[GaneshD'Souza]

In some pictures he looks somehow asian in others he looks normal southern European:

https://www.lecturas.com/medio/2017/07/27/enrique-iglesias_dbbe58c6_800x490.jpg

https://www.neuepresse.de/var/storage/images/np/nachrichten/szene/uebersicht/enrique-iglesias-befummelt-fan-auf-der-buehne/89743-1-ger-DE/Enrique-Iglesias-befummelt-Fan-auf-der-Buehne_big_teaser_article.jpg

The picture I put previously with his brother and father had bad lighting, so he looked like more ethnic.

I think only Spaniards would see him as white. In the US, he would not be seen as a white person. I dont think the majority of the world would consider him white. He almost looks gypsy

[gixajo]

Juan Carlos Campo Atayde, más conocido como Arjo Atayde, es un actor y cantante hispano-filipino. Actualmente es un talento de ABS-CBN y Star Magic. Recientemente fue conocido por retratar al antagonista Joaquín Tuazon en la serie de horario estelar ABS-CBN, Ang Probinsyano.

[GaneshD'Souza]

This family is not 100% filipino, no way.

I'm not sure why that family was so hard to believe. People wouldnt even notice them in the Philippines. There are even whiter Filipinos than that. These families are 100% Filipino (both parents) and still living in the Philippines even after 2-3 centuries.

https://i.ibb.co/tXY0GPj/81935042-302217630734448-3346435249644804911-n.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/M2HyBQG/12377591-10208530663161077-8166712416995269716-o.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jW96TpM/presss.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/bK6j9tg/msoc-2007-n02-p194-a01-v01.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jgXQWwt/scan0025.jpg

[Gallop]

To point out that the way of seeing these things in the United States should not be a model for the rest of the world and it is something that only serves them since it is about their experiences trying to export it is paranoia; although already in origin it is also.

https://d1b2ioo6u2o9wn.cloudfront.net/imagenes/alejandro_sanz/alejandro_sanz_bio_foto2.jpg

Alejandro Sanz has a Filipino ancestor and we found out because he said so himself.

[GaneshD'Souza]

Hispano-Filipino just means a Filipino of Spanish-descent. That family's ancestors have been in the Philippines since the early 1800s at least. "Juan Atayde was born in Manila in 1838, of Filipino parents who had Spanish and Aztec blood"
https://www.jstor.org/stable/42632597?seq=1

Their ancestor was Mexican, not Spanish. That was 2 centuries ago. It's like an American claiming to be Italian when his last ancestors came from Italy in the early 1800s

[gixajo]

I think only Spaniards would see him as white. In the US, he would not be seen as a white person. I dont think the majority of the world would consider him white. He almost looks gypsy

The majority of the world opinion is difficult to assess, even more considering that majority of the world population is even less "white" than that man.

I don´t know if you are considering the skin tone on this pics to value his "whiteness", but his traits are not specially "non white". Some soft asian vibe, but there are europeans with more evident asian vibe.

[gixajo]

Hispano-Filipino just means a Filipino of Spanish-descent. That family's ancestors have been in the Philippines since the early 1800s at least. "Juan Atayde was born in Manila in 1838, of Filipino parents who had Spanish and Aztec blood"
https://www.jstor.org/stable/42632597?seq=1

Their ancestor was Mexican, not Spanish. That was 2 centuries ago. It's like an American claiming to be Italian when his last ancestors came from Italy in the early 1800s

These people is not pure filipino, is easy to see it. You put in the title filipino guy, and this is not accurate. He is mixed.

Can he passed as Spanish? No easily, but he can pass way better than a true pure filipino.

[GaneshD'Souza]

These people is not pure filipino, is easy to see it. You put in the title filipino guy, and this is not accurate. He is mixed.

Can he passed as Spanish? No easily, but he can pass way better than a true pure filipino.

Look up the original definition of "Filipino" It's a Spaniard born in the Philippines. Native Filipinos weren't called Filipinos. They were called "indios" and "negritos" So his ancestors have always fit the original definition of Filipino. He comes from multiple generations of Filipinos, but now all of a sudden he's not Filipino? How does that happen? Are you one of those people who claims to be Italian even though your ancestors came to America in the 1800s? Are you Italian now, and not American? How does that work?

[gixajo]

Hispano-Filipino just means a Filipino of Spanish-descent. That family's ancestors have been in the Philippines since the early 1800s at least. "Juan Atayde was born in Manila in 1838, of Filipino parents who had Spanish and Aztec blood"
https://www.jstor.org/stable/42632597?seq=1

Their ancestor was Mexican, not Spanish. That was 2 centuries ago. It's like an American claiming to be Italian when his last ancestors came from Italy in the early 1800s

I am only saying that is quite obvious that not only the father, also the mother, are not pure filipino. I don´t know what is the exact mixture or where it comes from, but is evident. Not a lot European maybe, but they have it and that is enough to change their traits.

I also know that they are differences among filipinos considering each island an different ethnies.

[gixajo]

Look up the original definition of "Filipino" It's a Spaniard born in the Philippines. Native Filipinos weren't called Filipinos. They were called "indios" and "negritos" So his ancestors have always fit the original definition of Filipino. He comes from multiple generations of Filipinos, but now all of a sudden he's not Filipino? How does that happen? Are you one of those people who claims to be Italian even though your ancestors came to America in the 1800s? Are you Italian now, and not American? How does that work?

The only I said is that his family and himself are not pure filipino considering his ethnicity.

That´s all.

[GaneshD'Souza]

I am only saying that is quite obvious that not only the father, also the mother, are not pure filipino. I don´t know what is the exact mixture or where it comes from, but is evident. Not a lot European maybe, but they have it and that is enough to change their traits.

I also know that they are differences among filipinos considering each island an different ethnies.

His parents look 70-75% native Filipino, and their family has been there since at least the early 1800s. If you count his native ancestors, they've been there for several millennia. So how he is not Filipino?

Tell me, what is the threshold for someone to be considered pure Filipino?

These are Filipinos' 23andme results, and none of them are 100% Filipino. They've all got a bit of other things mixed in. All except one have Spanish. So what is the cut off for being considered not Filipino anymore?

1.
https://i.redd.it/4aaynnci42141.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/31jl34h1u9l41.jpg

3.
https://i.redd.it/o1wncnr9ibn41.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/57r6ywchzcm41.png

5.
https://i.redd.it/y7rnekdyewg41.png

6.
https://i.redd.it/12cvg1dguih41.jpg

7.
https://i.redd.it/42e1tvhnlee41.png

8.
https://i.redd.it/3sfvmkk1lmh41.jpg

9.
https://i.redd.it/dkt8ho3l39e41.jpg

10. This one is half Thai
https://i.redd.it/gei93wyoolh41.jpg

11.
https://i.redd.it/6ov1xoojvva41.png

12.
https://i.redd.it/u8zpoky899641.jpg

13.
https://i.redd.it/1unaqaiskr541.jpg

14.
https://i.imgur.com/OYkYXiS.jpg

15.
https://i.redd.it/7jjgoo2l7xl41.jpg

16.
https://i.redd.it/ukw53jsxtvq21.png

17.
https://i.redd.it/jruyblbxlnd41.jpg

18.
https://i.redd.it/a21jdc18edl41.png

19.
https://i.redd.it/875n04t2qax31.jpg

If you have to be 100% Austronesian to be considered "pure" Filipino, then most Filipinos are not pure Filipino

[gixajo]

His parents look 70-75% native Filipino, and their family has been there since at least the early 1800s. If you count his native ancestors, they've been there for several millennia. So how he is not Filipino?

Tell me, what is the threshold for someone to be considered pure Filipino?

These are Filipinos' 23andme results, and none of them are 100% Filipino. They've all got a bit of other things mixed in. All except one have Spanish. So what is the cut off for being considered not Filipino anymore?


So you are saying that I am right. They are not pure filipino, and you also noticed it.

I have no more to say, he looks quite strange to be pure Spanish, and he looks less strange to be pure filipino.He is mixed, more filipino, and less other admixtures, I cannot precise more percentages.

That´s all.

I see you very interested in Filipinos and Spanish-Filipinos and it seems that you are not searching members opinion but to discuss an idea that you have already set in your mind.

Considering this, what´s your point? What are you trying to demonstrate with this thread?

[GaneshD'Souza]

So you are saying that I am right. They are not pure filipino, and you also noticed it.

I have no more to say, he looks quite strange to be pure Spanish, and he looks less strange to be pure filipino.He is mixed, more filipino, and less other admixtures, I cannot precise more percentages.

That´s all.

I see you very interested in Filipinos and Spanish-Filipinos and it seems that you are not searching members opinion but to discuss an idea that you have already set in your mind.

Considering this, what´s your point? What are you trying to demonstrate with this thread?

native Filipinos just means Austronesian or Negrito. There are other Filipinos besides those. He's 100% Filipino because both of his parents are Filipino. Just like the people I posted are 100% Filipino even though NONE of them are 100% Austronesian. You didnt answer my question. What is the threshold needed to be considered pure Filipino? You have to be 100% Austronesian? So none of those people above are pure Filipinos?

[Gota_type_]

native Filipinos just means Austronesian or Negrito. There are other Filipinos besides those. He's 100% Filipino because both of his parents are Filipino. Just like the people I posted are 100% Filipino even though NONE of them are 100% Austronesian. You didnt answer my question. What is the threshold needed to be considered pure Filipino? You have to be 100% Austronesian? So none of those people above are pure Filipinos?

I just quoted you because you seem to be Filipino. You should defend that your country´s name is FILIPINAS and not Philipines as the anglos want. I have read that the filipinos are the best considered people in Asia (I have read this written by white americans) and that you are more friendly and less asian in culture-customs than say China or other and this is well viewed in the Western world. Is it true that you are somehow different than the Chinese or the asian stereotype? Is it because you are catholic (thanks to us)? How Spain or Spaniards are seen there?

[gixajo]

native Filipinos just means Austronesian or Negrito. There are other Filipinos besides those. He's 100% Filipino because both of his parents are Filipino. Just like the people I posted are 100% Filipino even though NONE of them are 100% Austronesian. You didnt answer my question. What is the threshold needed to be considered pure Filipino? You have to be 100% Austronesian? So none of those people above are pure Filipinos?

It´s only a way of speaking, no one is 100% pure nothing, I meant people who has not any knowledge of foreign origins in their ancestry. And in that case, we know perfectly he has some foreign ancestry, quite recent and probably in both sides, in paternal and maternal line.

[El_Abominacion]

So you are saying that I am right. They are not pure filipino, and you also noticed it.

I have no more to say, he looks quite strange to be pure Spanish, and he looks less strange to be pure filipino.He is mixed, more filipino, and less other admixtures, I cannot precise more percentages.

That´s all.

I see you very interested in Filipinos and Spanish-Filipinos and it seems that you are not searching members opinion but to discuss an idea that you have already set in your mind.

Considering this, what´s your point? What are you trying to demonstrate with this thread?

This guy is on some weird obsessive crusade to make the world know of the existence of heavily Spanish admixed ‘Filipinos’. He is definitely not here to have his mind changed lol

[GaneshD'Souza]

It´s only a way of speaking, no one is 100% pure nothing, I meant people who has not any knowledge of foreign origins in their ancestry. And in that case, we know perfectly he has some foreign ancestry, quite recent and probably in both sides, in paternal and maternal line.

Maternal line too? His mom literally looks like a regular, light-skinned Filipina. Nobody in the Philippines would consider her foreign-looking. Maybe a video will help you see...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWZ3QVkF_1E
She doesn't have any known Spanish ancestry. She probably does have some, but so do most Filipinos, as you can see in the 23andme results. If a Filipino isn't 100% Austronesian, does that mean they're not Filipino anymore?

As for the father's side. I couldn't find a video of him, but the grandparents...

Paternal grandmother- she looks 50% Spanish at the very most

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEbmuDnFE6E

Paternal grandfather- he looks 50% Spanish at the most

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq1F2zSvB3o

So his father is probably like 40-50% Spanish. Mother is maybe 5-10% Spanish like a regular light-skinned Filipina would be. So the dude in the OP would only be 1/4th to 1/3rd Spanish. Very far from being predominately Spanish. People are saying he must be 75% Spanish. How? And besides, his Spanish ancestors came to the Philippines in the early 1800s. Actually, from Mexico to the Philippines, which was common in those times. 200 years is plenty of time to become Filipino. He's just Filipino now

[HelloGuys]

He cannot pass as Spaniard, but he can pass very well as mexican/latinamerican

[Knight Slayer]

Passes better as Latin-American than as Spaniard.

[aja675]

His parents look 70-75% native Filipino, and their family has been there since at least the early 1800s. If you count his native ancestors, they've been there for several millennia. So how he is not Filipino?

Tell me, what is the threshold for someone to be considered pure Filipino?

These are Filipinos' 23andme results, and none of them are 100% Filipino. They've all got a bit of other things mixed in. All except one have Spanish. So what is the cut off for being considered not Filipino anymore?

1.
https://i.redd.it/4aaynnci42141.jpg

2.
https://i.redd.it/31jl34h1u9l41.jpg

3.
https://i.redd.it/o1wncnr9ibn41.jpg

4.
https://i.redd.it/57r6ywchzcm41.png

5.
https://i.redd.it/y7rnekdyewg41.png

6.
https://i.redd.it/12cvg1dguih41.jpg

7.
https://i.redd.it/42e1tvhnlee41.png

8.
https://i.redd.it/3sfvmkk1lmh41.jpg

9.
https://i.redd.it/dkt8ho3l39e41.jpg

10. This one is half Thai
https://i.redd.it/gei93wyoolh41.jpg

11.
https://i.redd.it/6ov1xoojvva41.png

12.
https://i.redd.it/u8zpoky899641.jpg

13.
https://i.redd.it/1unaqaiskr541.jpg

14.
https://i.imgur.com/OYkYXiS.jpg

15.
https://i.redd.it/7jjgoo2l7xl41.jpg

16.
https://i.redd.it/ukw53jsxtvq21.png

17.
https://i.redd.it/jruyblbxlnd41.jpg

18.
https://i.redd.it/a21jdc18edl41.png

19.
https://i.redd.it/875n04t2qax31.jpg

If you have to be 100% Austronesian to be considered "pure" Filipino, then most Filipinos are not pure Filipino

Interesting how it's no.18 who I'd guess would be the most mixed, and yet she's not.