Turanid= Iranid + Gobid + Proto Nordid

[ralf94]

I got a phenotype mixing Iranid, Gobid and Proto Nordid (or Irano-Nordoid) that is nearly identical to Turanid but in different proportions, not equal. The phenotypes respectively represents original Turkic peoples and the two phenotypes of the first Iranic peoples. That resulted in turanid and its sub-phenotypes.

Here is the phenotype that i got:
96421

Here is Turanid:
96422

This how i obtained the phenotype:
96423


What do you think?

[Chris596]

Interesting phenotype. Looks uncannily like one of my grandparents, I'm not joking.

[porpozontokonto]

absolutely, 100%. it is a known fact that most of turkics are assimilated iranians

[Oghuz]

Turanid is not a balanced phenotype. Its like different proportions of Major Iranid mixed with minor western mongoloid phenotypes.

[Mr.G]

Cool man, looks interesting.

[Kivan]

Turanid is a mix of Cromagnid and Mongoloid. It have nothing to do with Iranid
.

https://i2.milimaj.com/i/milliyet/75/1200x675/5e2d863c554280096897b03a.jpg

https://www.nba.com/sixers/sites/sixers/files/image_uploaded_from_ios_1_1.jpg?w=756&h=426

https://abload.de/img/69617706_9308029639275hjiw.jpg

[Kyp]

Turanid is a mix of Cromagnid and Mongoloid. It have nothing to do with Iranid
.

https://i2.milimaj.com/i/milliyet/75/1200x675/5e2d863c554280096897b03a.jpg

https://www.nba.com/sixers/sites/sixers/files/image_uploaded_from_ios_1_1.jpg?w=756&h=426

https://abload.de/img/69617706_9308029639275hjiw.jpg

They are West-Turanid at best. The woman is probably not Turanid at all.

This is proper Turanid:
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/turanidm.jpg

[Kaspias]

Hmm...

1- Combine Sibirid and Lappid
2- Combine Fenno-Nordid and Proto-Nordid
3- Combine these two mixtures
4- Then combine output with Tungid

Base Tungid + Ugric, Yeniseian, Iranic

[Kaspias]

They are West-Turanid at best. The woman is probably not Turanid at all.

This is proper Turanid:
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/turanidm.jpg

This is not proper Turanid, this is today's form of Turanid which is widespread. Such Iranic influence on Turanic race is very recent. Proper Turanid should be more chinky and more light. By saying proper Turanid I mean the phenotype proto-Turks carry btw.

[Kyp]

This is not proper Turanid, this is today's form of Turanid which is widespread. Such Iranic influence on Turanic race is very recent. Proper Turanid should be more chinky and more light. By saying proper Turanid I mean the phenotype proto-Turks carry btw.

We don't know Proto-Turkic phenotypes. First speakers of Turkic probably were just Tungid. European variant of Turanid is definetly not prototype of Turanid aswell, which was my point.

Btw. I don't believe in a single Proto-Turkic phenotype anyways.

[gültekin]

Turanid is a mix of Cromagnid and Mongoloid. It have nothing to do with Iranid

Cromagnoid-C + Proto-Mongoloid.

Persians are an interesting case. Always wanna something else and try to public what they are not, in any platform. They simple don't fit to their own skin.
Can be also say some form of OWD.
They got assraped non stop in past millenium by various Turkic and Mongol owners and theirfore suffer badly from inferiority complex.In order to heal their butthurt they wanna claim all the crowns who ruled them like an prostitute who claim all her customers as husband. They even say Timur as "persianate" , the same guy who ordered his whole army for piss to the grave of ferdowsi, imao.
Seems they have started now chimp out about Turanid phenotyp. what a fucking joke.

[Kyp]

@Kivan: Real Turanid, (not some Greek with Asian eyes):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Yomud_Turkmen.jpg/220px-Yomud_Turkmen.jpg

[Kaspias]

We don't know Proto-Turkic phenotypes. First speakers of Turkic probably were just Tungid. European variant of Turanid is definetly not prototype of Turanid aswell, which was my point.

Btw. I don't believe in a single Proto-Turkic phenotype anyways.


We don't know certainly, but I believe we can predict with high reliability.

It is not possible to assume that the Turks were only Tungid. Despite different tribes originated in different places we see that the entire Turkic world has a hybrid(West Eurasian + East) genetic makeup. In the beginning, this West Eurasian part was heavily Ugric with a slight touch of Iranic. (But of course, it can change according to location, in Turkestan there should be more Iranic influence compared to North.) By time, for example in Kazakhstan, this Euro admixture replaced with Mongoloid after Mongol invasion. On the other hand during Oghuz migration East Eurasian admixture replaced with Iranic, Anatolian and Balkan.

[Kivan]

@Kivan: Real Turanid, (not some Greek with Asian eyes):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Yomud_Turkmen.jpg/220px-Yomud_Turkmen.jpg

None of the people i posted look Greek with Asian eyes at all. The second guy is Crimean Tatar, btw.
And the woman is Turanid, for sure. Although more Caucasoid shifted:
https://abload.de/img/47691196_3123681593852fjj8.jpg

[Kivan]

@Kivan: Real Turanid, (not some Greek with Asian eyes):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Yomud_Turkmen.jpg/220px-Yomud_Turkmen.jpg

Looks like the coach of Galatasaray volleyball team, anyway:

https://img.fanatik.com.tr/img/78/1200x695/5c98c03aae298b1f755d8d9c.jpg

[Kyp]

None of the people i posted look Greek with Asian eyes at all. The second guy is Crimean Tatar, btw.
And the woman is Turanid, for sure. Although more Caucasoid shifted:


She looks more Turanid on the 2nd picture indeed

[Sora]

Turanid = Cromagnid/Irano-Alpinid/Pontid + Tungid

At least I think so. Because many Turanids I've observed seem having different Caucasoid features. Some are brunette with Asian eyes (Irano-Alpinid), some are light with almond eyes (Cromagnid or Pontid).

If I have mistakes, correct me.

[itilvolga]

This is proper Turanid:
http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/turanidm.jpg

This morph is way too Iranid influenced to be a proper Turanid, in my opinion. A proper Turanid would be much closer to this man:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcS03JIAV_GCXjdHAc7fxX1IdCSxvM6 2aJKZ-M6Qtu_PZSttk6Z2

[Oghuz]

We don't know certainly, but I believe we can predict with high reliability.

It is not possible to assume that the Turks were only Tungid. Despite different tribes originated in different places we see that the entire Turkic world has a hybrid(West Eurasian + East) genetic makeup. In the beginning, this West Eurasian part was heavily Ugric with a slight touch of Iranic. (But of course, it can change according to location, in Turkestan there should be more Iranic influence compared to North.) By time, for example in Kazakhstan, this Euro admixture replaced with Mongoloid after Mongol invasion. On the other hand during Oghuz migration East Eurasian admixture replaced with Iranic, Anatolian and Balkan.

It depends upon which era Turkic we are talking about. Turkic Expansion into Central Asia overlaps with Indo Iranian establishment to the west. Turkestan cline got established by mixture of two. Obviously the native % would be higher.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d8f0fe5d4f4f90947c4ad8e816c1b051

[Oghuz]

Turanid = Cromagnid/Irano-Alpinid/Pontid + Tungid

At least I think so. Because many Turanids I've observed seem having different Caucasoid features. Some are brunette with Asian eyes (Irano-Alpinid), some are light with almond eyes (Cromagnid or Pontid).

If I have mistakes, correct me.

This is all pseudoscience. There are no mistakes.

[Sora]

This is all pseudoscience. There are no mistakes.

If I have no mistakes, then how can it be pseudoscience? :/

[Oghuz]

If I have no mistakes, then how can it be pseudoscience? :/

to regard something as a mistake, something else needs to be correct first to serve as a reference. Pseudosciences have no such measures. You can have an opinion at best which can be correct according to you yet wrong in someone else opinion.

[gültekin]

It depends upon which era Turkic we are talking about. Turkic Expansion into Central Asia overlaps with Indo Iranian establishment to the west. Turkestan cline got established by mixture of two. Obviously the native % would be higher.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d8f0fe5d4f4f90947c4ad8e816c1b051
fuck off you stinky donkey, Andronovo has nothing to do with you apes
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500

Kit F999947

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.41
2 Baltic 38.28
3 West_Asian 15.04
4 South_Asian 1.59
5 Amerindian 0.59
6 West_Med 0.09

Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 12.86
2 Swedish 14.06
3 Southwest_Finnish 15.54
4 North_German 15.66
5 Norwegian 16.01
6 Danish 17.1
7 North_Dutch 17.51
8 East_German 18.09
9 Finnish 18.27
10 South_Polish 18.31
11 Polish 18.86
12 Austrian 19.06
13 Estonian 19.65
14 Irish 19.69
15 La_Brana-1 19.85
16 Hungarian 19.88
17 Orcadian 19.93
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.42
19 Russian_Smolensk 20.45
20 West_Scottish 20.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.9% North_Swedish + 15.1% Tabassaran @ 10.34
2 86.1% North_Swedish + 13.9% Lezgin @ 10.58
3 86.8% North_Swedish + 13.2% Chechen @ 10.84
4 90.3% North_Swedish + 9.7% Balochi @ 10.98
5 90.7% North_Swedish + 9.3% Brahui @ 11.06
6 89.7% North_Swedish + 10.3% Kalash @ 11.18
7 89.2% North_Swedish + 10.8% North_Ossetian @ 11.29
8 91.1% North_Swedish + 8.9% Makrani @ 11.33
9 89.1% North_Swedish + 10.9% Afghan_Pashtun @ 11.33
10 89.3% North_Swedish + 10.7% Adygei @ 11.37
11 89.1% North_Swedish + 10.9% Kabardin @ 11.46
12 90% North_Swedish + 10% Ossetian @ 11.48
13 91.6% North_Swedish + 8.4% Abhkasian @ 11.55
14 91.2% North_Swedish + 8.8% Georgian @ 11.56
15 89.6% North_Swedish + 10.4% Kumyk @ 11.61
16 90.1% North_Swedish + 9.9% Balkar @ 11.64
17 68.6% Swedish + 31.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 11.68
18 89.4% North_Swedish + 10.6% Tadjik @ 11.72
19 91.5% North_Swedish + 8.5% Pathan @ 11.72
20 61% Norwegian + 39% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 11.73

[Sora]

fuck off you stinky donkey, Andronovo has nothing to do with you apes
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500

Kit F999947

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.41
2 Baltic 38.28
3 West_Asian 15.04
4 South_Asian 1.59
5 Amerindian 0.59
6 West_Med 0.09

Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 12.86
2 Swedish 14.06
3 Southwest_Finnish 15.54
4 North_German 15.66
5 Norwegian 16.01
6 Danish 17.1
7 North_Dutch 17.51
8 East_German 18.09
9 Finnish 18.27
10 South_Polish 18.31
11 Polish 18.86
12 Austrian 19.06
13 Estonian 19.65
14 Irish 19.69
15 La_Brana-1 19.85
16 Hungarian 19.88
17 Orcadian 19.93
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.42
19 Russian_Smolensk 20.45
20 West_Scottish 20.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.9% North_Swedish + 15.1% Tabassaran @ 10.34
2 86.1% North_Swedish + 13.9% Lezgin @ 10.58
3 86.8% North_Swedish + 13.2% Chechen @ 10.84
4 90.3% North_Swedish + 9.7% Balochi @ 10.98
5 90.7% North_Swedish + 9.3% Brahui @ 11.06
6 89.7% North_Swedish + 10.3% Kalash @ 11.18
7 89.2% North_Swedish + 10.8% North_Ossetian @ 11.29
8 91.1% North_Swedish + 8.9% Makrani @ 11.33
9 89.1% North_Swedish + 10.9% Afghan_Pashtun @ 11.33
10 89.3% North_Swedish + 10.7% Adygei @ 11.37
11 89.1% North_Swedish + 10.9% Kabardin @ 11.46
12 90% North_Swedish + 10% Ossetian @ 11.48
13 91.6% North_Swedish + 8.4% Abhkasian @ 11.55
14 91.2% North_Swedish + 8.8% Georgian @ 11.56
15 89.6% North_Swedish + 10.4% Kumyk @ 11.61
16 90.1% North_Swedish + 9.9% Balkar @ 11.64
17 68.6% Swedish + 31.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 11.68
18 89.4% North_Swedish + 10.6% Tadjik @ 11.72
19 91.5% North_Swedish + 8.5% Pathan @ 11.72
20 61% Norwegian + 39% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 11.73

They have nothing to do with Turkic peoples too. They're genetically closer to Scandinavians with some Caucasian admixture

[gültekin]

They have nothing to do with Turkic peoples too. They're genetically closer to Scandinavians with some Caucasian admixture
of course not, they were proto-Germanic

[porpozontokonto]

This is not proper Turanid, this is today's form of Turanid which is widespread. Such Iranic influence on Turanic race is very recent. Proper Turanid should be more chinky and more light. By saying proper Turanid I mean the phenotype proto-Turks carry btw.
the turanid type originated with scythians in tian-shan, not with proto turks.


should be more chinky and more light.
so like aralid?


Turanid = Cromagnid/Irano-Alpinid/Pontid + Tungid

At least I think so. Because many Turanids I've observed seem having different Caucasoid features. Some are brunette with Asian eyes (Irano-Alpinid), some are light with almond eyes (Cromagnid or Pontid).

If I have mistakes, correct me.

irano-alpinid? pontid? wtf

[Kaspias]

the turanid type originated with scythians in tian-shan, not with proto turks.




It dates the Scythian period but actually has nothing to do with those Iranic Scythians. By saying Proto-Turks I meant these ones since I consider them Turks, too.




so like aralid?


Somewhat closer

[Zoro]

fuck off you stinky donkey, Andronovo has nothing to do with you apes
F999947 / Andronovo-RISE500

Kit F999947

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.41
2 Baltic 38.28
3 West_Asian 15.04
4 South_Asian 1.59
5 Amerindian 0.59
6 West_Med 0.09

Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 12.86
2 Swedish 14.06
3 Southwest_Finnish 15.54
4 North_German 15.66
5 Norwegian 16.01
6 Danish 17.1
7 North_Dutch 17.51
8 East_German 18.09
9 Finnish 18.27
10 South_Polish 18.31
11 Polish 18.86
12 Austrian 19.06
13 Estonian 19.65
14 Irish 19.69
15 La_Brana-1 19.85
16 Hungarian 19.88
17 Orcadian 19.93
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.42
19 Russian_Smolensk 20.45
20 West_Scottish 20.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.9% North_Swedish + 15.1% Tabassaran @ 10.34
2 86.1% North_Swedish + 13.9% Lezgin @ 10.58
3 86.8% North_Swedish + 13.2% Chechen @ 10.84
4 90.3% North_Swedish + 9.7% Balochi @ 10.98
5 90.7% North_Swedish + 9.3% Brahui @ 11.06
6 89.7% North_Swedish + 10.3% Kalash @ 11.18
7 89.2% North_Swedish + 10.8% North_Ossetian @ 11.29
8 91.1% North_Swedish + 8.9% Makrani @ 11.33
9 89.1% North_Swedish + 10.9% Afghan_Pashtun @ 11.33
10 89.3% North_Swedish + 10.7% Adygei @ 11.37
11 89.1% North_Swedish + 10.9% Kabardin @ 11.46
12 90% North_Swedish + 10% Ossetian @ 11.48
13 91.6% North_Swedish + 8.4% Abhkasian @ 11.55
14 91.2% North_Swedish + 8.8% Georgian @ 11.56
15 89.6% North_Swedish + 10.4% Kumyk @ 11.61
16 90.1% North_Swedish + 9.9% Balkar @ 11.64
17 68.6% Swedish + 31.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 11.68
18 89.4% North_Swedish + 10.6% Tadjik @ 11.72
19 91.5% North_Swedish + 8.5% Pathan @ 11.72
20 61% Norwegian + 39% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 11.73


This is a weird result. It's well known that Andronovo contributed more to E Europeans than to Swedes. Since they also contributed to C Asians also the result should have showed E European + C Asian (or maybe N Caucasian).

The problem is that these ancient samples don't work well with Admixture program because they are sort of artificial. So real humans have 2 chromosomes that are NOT identical. In other words we are hetrozygous in about 30% of our positions. But 98% of these ancient samples they put out have identical both chromosomes in other words they are not hetrozygous like real people.

So in other words they are wrong in 30% of the positions. Eurasian DNA did an experiment with them using the IO-247 Scythian sample to see what would happen if they took the raw DNA data sequences and genotyped it themselves diploid like real humans.

They then compared their diploid version of the Scythian with the publically available artificial pseudo haploid version. What they saw is the diploid one they genotyped made alot more sense than the public haploid artificial one.

Check out fig 11 vs fig 12 to see how much more sense the diploid one they genotyped makes at https://www.google.com/search?q=scythian+deer&client=ubuntu&hs=oQR&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjC2dnL57DoAhUJqZ4KHc2NCf0Q_AUoAXoECA4QA w&biw=1199&bih=838


Also when you run their diploid one in Gedmatch vs the public haploid one it makes more sense there too. I think you would get more sensible results if you find a diploid Andronovo sample and run it. Also if possible run 3 or 4 diploid Andronovo samples and average them.

[Oghuz]

Other Turkish members do not need to be offended by my post since I bear no ill will towards Turkish nation.

But this troll needed some fixation so excuse me for offensive language in this post.



They got assraped non stop in past millenium by various Turkic and Mongol owners and theirfore suffer badly from inferiority complex.

Ever since the creation of Turkish identity, not once have a single Turkish entity (Turkish is not CA Turkic) ever ruled any part of Iran. Turkish identity began after Anatolia was sacked by Persian speaking Seljuk Turkic from CA. Seljuk Turkics were allied with Persian Samanids, they used Persian as Lingua Franca. Seljuk Turks did not conquer Iran from Iranians, they migrated into Iran and like their later Iranic derivatives Azeris they helped Iran to reform. Their grand Viziers were Persians as well who at some point literally saved Seljuk empire from fracturing.

Anyways here is the Iranian dominance over your country.

MEDIANS (KURDS and AZERIS)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Median_empire_map.png

PERSIANS

Achaemenid

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org %2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fc%2Fc5%2FThis_map_depicts _the_Sassanid_Empire_from_602_A.D._-_620_A.D.png&hash=6324e6573d65a8b07f8c788d9e5a68ef

Parthian

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.persiansarenotar abs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F04%2Fempire-banner-1.jpg&hash=9a1befab253a372c4e12eac8e6afa244

Sassanid

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Forigi nals%2Fe0%2F6e%2Fe2%2Fe06ee2c965ebf3feace6879f3c31 c6f5.gif&hash=870721d6bd15df1b790583e92db6b069

KINGDOM OF PONTUS (GRECO PERSIANS)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/PonticKingdom.png

SAFAVIDS (KURDISH BLOOD, CULTURAL AZERIS)

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fqph.fs.quoracdn.net% 2Fmain-qimg-e1e2ba255431c7f5499cb81d6b7636da&hash=2aeff66400994ec1c97b301e9887b0e5

AFSHARID (QIZILBASH IRANIAN TURKOMAN)

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.alternatehistory .com%2Fforum%2Fattachments%2F373255%2F&hash=82be71051819d27b35f40f164967d0ad

IRI is a direct descendant of Safavid Qizilbash Shiite theocracy, all powerful in ME and you can't do anything about it.

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.red24.com%2Fimag es%2Fmap.png&hash=c05950a402f5e58b2d65e528f4df8039

Kurds will become majority in Turkey and then I will add a new map in this list.



Can be also say some form of OWD.


No Iranian or Iranic here posts OWD threads. Your countrymen do, not that I care.


In order to heal their butthurt they wanna claim all the crowns who ruled them like an prostitute who claim all her customers as husband.

In last 3500 years, for roughly 800 years, Iran has been under foreign rule if we combine Greek, Semite, Turkic-Mong rule. Thats massive success. Add genetic continuity to this as well. Its exceptional success.

Do you want me to count how many years Turkey has been free from foreign rule during the same time ?


They even say Timur as "persianate"

Same Timur spoke Persian, used Persian as Lingua Franca of his empire, his descendants also became persianized ... and he literally annihilated the Turkish Army. His death was pure luck for Turkish identity otherwise whole Turkey would be speaking Persian today.

[Fedora]

Other Turkish members do not need to be offended by my post since I bear no ill will towards Turkish nation.

But this troll needed some fixation so excuse me for offensive language in this post.



Ever since the creation of Turkish identity, not once have a single Turkish entity (Turkish is not CA Turkic) ever ruled any part of Iran. Turkish identity began after Anatolia was sacked by Persian speaking Seljuk Turkic from CA. Seljuk Turkics were allied with Persian Samanids, they used Persian as Lingua Franca. Seljuk Turks did not conquer Iran from Iranians, they migrated into Iran and like their later Iranic derivatives Azeris they helped Iran to reform. Their grand Viziers were Persians as well who at some point literally saved Seljuk empire from fracturing.

Anyways here is the Iranian dominance over your country.

MEDIANS (KURDS and AZERIS)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Median_empire_map.png

PERSIANS

Achaemenid

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org %2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fc%2Fc5%2FThis_map_depicts _the_Sassanid_Empire_from_602_A.D._-_620_A.D.png&hash=6324e6573d65a8b07f8c788d9e5a68ef

Parthian

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.persiansarenotar abs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F04%2Fempire-banner-1.jpg&hash=9a1befab253a372c4e12eac8e6afa244

Sassanid

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Forigi nals%2Fe0%2F6e%2Fe2%2Fe06ee2c965ebf3feace6879f3c31 c6f5.gif&hash=870721d6bd15df1b790583e92db6b069

KINGDOM OF PONTUS (GRECO PERSIANS)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/PonticKingdom.png

SAFAVIDS (KURDISH BLOOD, CULTURAL AZERIS)

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fqph.fs.quoracdn.net% 2Fmain-qimg-e1e2ba255431c7f5499cb81d6b7636da&hash=2aeff66400994ec1c97b301e9887b0e5

AFSHARID (QIZILBASH IRANIAN TURKOMAN)

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.alternatehistory .com%2Fforum%2Fattachments%2F373255%2F&hash=82be71051819d27b35f40f164967d0ad

IRI is a direct descendant of Safavid Qizilbash Shiite theocracy, all powerful in ME and you can't do anything about it.

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.red24.com%2Fimag es%2Fmap.png&hash=c05950a402f5e58b2d65e528f4df8039

Kurds will become majority in Turkey and then I will add a new map in this list.



No Iranian or Iranic here posts OWD threads. Your countrymen do, not that I care.



In last 3500 years, for roughly 800 years, Iran has been under foreign rule if we combine Greek, Semite, Turkic-Mong rule. Thats massive success. Add genetic continuity to this as well. Its exceptional success.

Do you want me to count how many years Turkey has been free from foreign rule during the same time ?



Same Timur spoke Persian, used Persian as Lingua Franca of his empire, his descendants also became persianized ... and he literally annihilated the Turkish Army. His death was pure luck for Turkish identity otherwise whole Turkey would be speaking Persian today.
What you are typing makes 0 sense because Turks entered Anatolia after Manzikert, and migrated to Anatolia through todays Iran. There was not a single Turk at that time when Parthians conquered those regions lol. Afshar is an Oghuz Turkish tribe, one of 24. Safawid didn't spoke "Azeri" and Shah Ismail was not kurdish, he was a mutt with turkmen, pontic ancestry. The military spoke turkish. By your logic the Ottomans were Iranian too.
Timur was from a mongol tribe who mixed with Turks and assimilated into them. Both of the military in Ottoman and Timurid war was "turkish" and his descended don't speak Persian, they speak Uzbek, Turkmen languages most likely.
You have a very distorted view of history.

[Fedora]

Other Turkish members do not need to be offended by my post since I bear no ill will towards Turkish nation.

But this troll needed some fixation so excuse me for offensive language in this post.



Ever since the creation of Turkish identity, not once have a single Turkish entity (Turkish is not CA Turkic) ever ruled any part of Iran. Turkish identity began after Anatolia was sacked by Persian speaking Seljuk Turkic from CA. Seljuk Turkics were allied with Persian Samanids, they used Persian as Lingua Franca. Seljuk Turks did not conquer Iran from Iranians, they migrated into Iran and like their later Iranic derivatives Azeris they helped Iran to reform. Their grand Viziers were Persians as well who at some point literally saved Seljuk empire from fracturing.

Anyways here is the Iranian dominance over your country.

MEDIANS (KURDS and AZERIS)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Median_empire_map.png

PERSIANS

Achaemenid

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org %2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fc%2Fc5%2FThis_map_depicts _the_Sassanid_Empire_from_602_A.D._-_620_A.D.png&hash=6324e6573d65a8b07f8c788d9e5a68ef

Parthian

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.persiansarenotar abs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F04%2Fempire-banner-1.jpg&hash=9a1befab253a372c4e12eac8e6afa244

Sassanid

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Forigi nals%2Fe0%2F6e%2Fe2%2Fe06ee2c965ebf3feace6879f3c31 c6f5.gif&hash=870721d6bd15df1b790583e92db6b069

KINGDOM OF PONTUS (GRECO PERSIANS)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/PonticKingdom.png

SAFAVIDS (KURDISH BLOOD, CULTURAL AZERIS)

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fqph.fs.quoracdn.net% 2Fmain-qimg-e1e2ba255431c7f5499cb81d6b7636da&hash=2aeff66400994ec1c97b301e9887b0e5

AFSHARID (QIZILBASH IRANIAN TURKOMAN)

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.alternatehistory .com%2Fforum%2Fattachments%2F373255%2F&hash=82be71051819d27b35f40f164967d0ad

IRI is a direct descendant of Safavid Qizilbash Shiite theocracy, all powerful in ME and you can't do anything about it.

https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.red24.com%2Fimag es%2Fmap.png&hash=c05950a402f5e58b2d65e528f4df8039

Kurds will become majority in Turkey and then I will add a new map in this list.



No Iranian or Iranic here posts OWD threads. Your countrymen do, not that I care.



In last 3500 years, for roughly 800 years, Iran has been under foreign rule if we combine Greek, Semite, Turkic-Mong rule. Thats massive success. Add genetic continuity to this as well. Its exceptional success.

Do you want me to count how many years Turkey has been free from foreign rule during the same time ?



Same Timur spoke Persian, used Persian as Lingua Franca of his empire, his descendants also became persianized ... and he literally annihilated the Turkish Army. His death was pure luck for Turkish identity otherwise whole Turkey would be speaking Persian today.
What you are typing makes 0 sense because Turks entered Anatolia after Manzikert, and migrated to Anatolia through todays Iran. After that period Turkey was always under turkic rule. So Turkey by that meaning was almost never under foreign rule except for some years in WW1. There was not a single Turk at that time when Parthians conquered those regions lol. Afshar is an Oghuz Turkish tribe, one of 24. They genetically plot very close Turkish people, . Safawid didn't spoke "Azeri" and Shah Ismail was not kurdish, he was a mutt with turkmen, pontic ancestry. The military spoke turkish. By your logic the Ottomans were Iranian too.
Timur was from a mongol tribe who mixed with Turks and assimilated into them. Both of the military in Ottoman and Timurid war was "turkish" and his descended don't speak Persian, they speak Uzbek, Turkmen languages most likely. Uzbeks dont speak Persian, a place where Timur had his capital.

You also use to say that the Seljuks were Iranian. LOL You have a very distorted view of history. Iran was from Seljuks to Qajars under turkic rule.

[Fedora]

https://i.ibb.co/ZMSQW6z/37568300-1794642900615010-7949963745973764096-n.jpg
Genetic result from an Azerbaijani from Ardabil(Capital of Safawid), scores 7-8% eurasian(pre-seljuk turk samples all score 0 %) and you can very clearly see the genetic impact it had and why the people there today speak a turkic language, mean while i've seen southern persians score 5% ssa
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 4,064138
2 Azerbaijani_Iran @ 4,21875
3 Azerbaijani_Karabakh @ 4,788755
4 Azerbaijani @ 5,406103
5 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey @ 5,558882
6 Zaza @ 6,656322
7 Turk_South_East @ 6,761215
8 Turk_East @ 6,933676
9 Turkmen_Iraq @ 7,172698
10 Turk_Central_East @ 8,750212
11 Turk_South @ 8,886906
12 Kurd_Sorani_Iraq @ 9,034346
13 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 9,383157
14 Iranian @ 9,890809
15 Turk_Central_West @ 11,433714
16 Azerbaijani_Dagestan @ 11,584775
17 Iranians @ 13,061498
18 Armenian_West @ 13,073817
19 Turk_West_Black_Sea @ 13,94838
20 Turk_South_West @ 14,058084
231 iterations.

[Fedora]

Also the Turks are descends of the Seljuk Turks, and term Turk predates Turkey by 2000 years. Heck, "turkic" never existed in our language. Thats why a book called Dîvânü Lugati't-Türk was written in 1071 by Kâşgarlı Mahmud(as his name suggest he was from Kashgar, a place far away from Turkey) when the middle east was Iran and middle east was controlled by Turks.
Vast majority of Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Azerbaijanis, and people from Turkey today all identify as Turks just like their ancestors 1000 years ago.
https://www.turkbitig.com/static/image/tonyukuk-yazitinda-gokturkce.jpg

[Altaylı]

https://i2.milimaj.com/i/milliyet/75/1200x675/5e2d863c554280096897b03a.jpg

https://www.nba.com/sixers/sites/sixers/files/image_uploaded_from_ios_1_1.jpg?w=756&h=426
Very Good examples of Turanid
Cromagnoid-C + Proto-Mongoloid=Turanid