Which of two is closer to east Asians autosomally?

[thenewestmember]

southwest Asians or east Europeans?

[thenewestmember]

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[Gaditanian]

IMO East Europeans due the continuous invasions of the asian types from the Steppes, Huns, Magyars, Mongols

[Bornoz]

Where is Southwest Asia? I will answer the question according to that.

[Blondie]

finno-ugrians

[Thambi]

east europeans. The only west/sw asians that have more mongoloid affinity than east euros are turks and azeris.

[Bornoz]

east europeans. The only west/sw asians that have more mongoloid affinity than east euros are turks and azeris.

Kumyks, Balkars, Karachays, Circassians and some others

[Thambi]

Kumyks, Balkars, Karachays, Circassians and some others

dont they all have less mong than many east euros though? especially russians

[Leto]

dont they all have less mong than many east euros though? especially russians
They don't. Those are Turkic ethnic groups except for Circassians who are barely different from their neighbors.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Where is Southwest Asia? I will answer the question according to that.

He means Arabs, Turks and Persians

[itilvolga]

dont they all have less mong than many east euros though? especially russians

No, you can check here:
https://i.ibb.co/0ybjGWH/20200324-203057.jpg

[Bornoz]

dont they all have less mong than many east euros though? especially russians

I've just relaized that I don't know enough about Russian genetics. I have compared them with Balkan nations.
Can somebody post some Russian dodecad k12b results btw?

[Kyp]

Turks, Azeris and Iranians probably more than East Euros.
East Euros more than Arabs.

1. Turks/Azeris
2. Russians
3. Iranians
4. East Europeans
5. Arabs

[Leto]

I've just relaized that I don't know enough about Russian genetics. I have compared them with Balkan nations.
Can somebody post some Russian dodecad k12b results btw?
If you mean Mongoloid, it's 5% on average in ethnic Russians. Could be from 1 to 10% in unmixed people.

Dad
Population
Gedrosia 5.06
Siberian 1.64
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.50
Atlantic_Med 20.98
North_European 59.53
South_Asian 0.76
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.39
East_Asian -
Caucasus 11.15
Sub_Saharan -

Mom
Population
Gedrosia 4.96
Siberian 6.52
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.24
Atlantic_Med 16.99
North_European 56.88
South_Asian 0.25
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.36
East_Asian 1.56
Caucasus 9.24
Sub_Saharan -

Leto
Population
Gedrosia 5.03
Siberian 4.61
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.23
Atlantic_Med 18.91
North_European 56.31
South_Asian 0.42
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.03
East_Asian 0.67
Caucasus 10.80
Sub_Saharan -

[Zoro]

southwest Asians or east Europeans?

A thought provoking but very loaded question which is not answerable without further details. There is diversity in E Europeans based on specific country and specific individual same with SW Asians.

Also do you mean genomewide similarity such as SNP by SNP or recent admixture? You can easily have an individual with high IBS with E Asians but no recent admixture and you can also have the reverse.


These are a few examples of why this is difficult to answer:

1- S Asians are like 30% E Eurasian/Asian so alot more than E Europeans but if you take an admixture calculator or 23andme you wouldn't have a clue. Because it's genomewide old sharing between ASI and E Asians. Doesn't mean they don't have more recent SE Asian filtering in from E India.

2- There is a guy 50% E Asian and 50% Nigerian. On the PCA or using IBS genomewide he is not close to E Asians at all compared with a Syrian guy because the Syrian guy shares alot of IBS with E Asians due to ancient Out Of Africa sharing among Eurasians

I can go on and on it's not an easy question. The only way to find out is do dstats or qpAdm or f3 if you mean more recent admixture.


Generally speaking though I would expect Lithuanians to share more SNPs with NE Asians or Siberians than Jordanian simply because Lithuanians lack the BIG PULSE of BASAL EURASIAN that Jordanians got way back when. This pulse KICKED W Asians far away from E Asians. Some W Asians compensated for the pulse by more recent E Asian admixture that brought them back closer to E Asians.

[Zoro]

east europeans. The only west/sw asians that have more mongoloid affinity than east euros are turks and azeris.

Not true. Check my answer above.

[Bornoz]

If you mean Mongoloid, it's 5% on average in ethnic Russians. Could from 1 to 10% in unmixed people.

Dad
Population
Gedrosia 5.06
Siberian 1.64
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.50
Atlantic_Med 20.98
North_European 59.53
South_Asian 0.76
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.39
East_Asian -
Caucasus 11.15
Sub_Saharan -

Mom
Population
Gedrosia 4.96
Siberian 6.52
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.24
Atlantic_Med 16.99
North_European 56.88
South_Asian 0.25
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.36
East_Asian 1.56
Caucasus 9.24
Sub_Saharan -

Leto
Population
Gedrosia 5.03
Siberian 4.61
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.23
Atlantic_Med 18.91
North_European 56.31
South_Asian 0.42
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.03
East_Asian 0.67
Caucasus 10.80
Sub_Saharan -

Higher than I've expected tbh

[Cumansky]

Slavs, and our Turkic % usually from assimilation of the elite, compared to some of desert ethnics got sacked by a uniform tribe the "Mongols"

The only people that defeated Mongols: Poland, Hungary, Mamluk Egypt, India, Indonesia, Vietnam and Japan

[Leto]

Higher than I've expected tbh
Haha, really. According to some people there should be a zero after five in that average :swl

[Thambi]

No, you can check here:
https://i.ibb.co/0ybjGWH/20200324-203057.jpg

Holy. These northern caucasus groups have slightly more mongolian pull than Azeris. Didnt expect this. I thought the caucasus groups overall (besides Azeris) would be similar to georgians or armenians.

[Zoro]

If you are strictly interested in E Asian admixture less than 2500 years old you would have to inspect the genome SNP by SNP and zero out any alleles shared to ancient sharing. For example, you would have to zero out all allele shared between E Asian and TEST due to sharing of old Eastern Non African. You would also have to zero out all alleles shared due to Afanasievo and the like mingling with E Asians. You would also have to zero out all alleles shared between E Asian and TEST due to ooold WHG sharing between Europeans and E. Asians. You would also have to zero out all alleles shared due to ANE and so on because calculators pick up on all the old stuff and all the reverse geneflow.

So basically you have to use formal methods like f3, f4, qpAdm and so on that use OUTGROUPS to zero out all those old alleles

[Bornoz]

Holy. These northern caucasus groups have slightly more mongolian pull than Azeris. Didnt expect this. I thought the caucasus groups overall (besides Azeris) would be similar to georgians or armenians.

This thread taught us a lot :lol:

[Zoro]

Holy. These northern caucasus groups have slightly more mongolian pull than Azeris. Didnt expect this. I thought the caucasus groups overall (besides Azeris) would be similar to georgians or armenians.

So now you know why you have to be careful with any individual that scores alot of Caucasus. Caucasus component hides E Asian alleles because it's incorporated into those references

Similarly alot of E Asian alleles are incorporated into those ASI references

[Thambi]

This thread taught us a lot :lol:

lol true

but you turks are OG in terms of mongoloid in that region lol. Almost 20% in several areas

Target: Turkish_Southwest
Distance: 1.3257% / 0.01325701
37.8 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
26.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
19.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.4 Mongolian

Target: Turkish_South
Distance: 1.2427% / 0.01242727
45.8 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
18.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.8 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
17.8 Mongolian

Target: Turkish_Northwest
Distance: 1.2066% / 0.01206609
30.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
29.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
21.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 Mongolian
3.8 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En

Target: Turkish_North
Distance: 1.8140% / 0.01813985
37.6 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
22.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
16.8 Mongolian
16.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En

Target: Turkish_Balikesir
Distance: 1.4032% / 0.01403183
30.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
30.2 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
23.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.4 Mongolian

Target: Turkish_Aydin
Distance: 1.1420% / 0.01142017
33.6 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
29.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
18.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.4 Mongolian
2.2 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En

Target: Turkish_Adana
Distance: 1.1238% / 0.01123802
53.4 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
21.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
16.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 Mongolian

[Bornoz]

lol true

but you turks are OG in terms of mongoloid in that region lol. Almost 20% in several areas

Target: Turkish_Southwest
Distance: 1.3257% / 0.01325701
37.8 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
26.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
19.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.4 Mongolian

Target: Turkish_South
Distance: 1.2427% / 0.01242727
45.8 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
18.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.8 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
17.8 Mongolian

Target: Turkish_Northwest
Distance: 1.2066% / 0.01206609
30.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
29.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
21.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 Mongolian
3.8 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En

Target: Turkish_North
Distance: 1.8140% / 0.01813985
37.6 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
22.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
16.8 Mongolian
16.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En

Target: Turkish_Balikesir
Distance: 1.4032% / 0.01403183
30.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
30.2 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
23.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.4 Mongolian

Target: Turkish_Aydin
Distance: 1.1420% / 0.01142017
33.6 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
29.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
18.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.4 Mongolian
2.2 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En

Target: Turkish_Adana
Distance: 1.1238% / 0.01123802
53.4 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
21.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
16.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 Mongolian

You should check results from Giresun. You can catch some results over 20%

[Leto]

The Mongolian reference is likely 15-20% West Eurasian.

[Rgvgjhvv]

ALL ARE FILTHY MONGOLOIDS AMIRITE???

[Thambi]

The Mongolian reference is likely 15-20% West Eurasian.

yeah you're right. Its roughly 14-15% now. Still a lot though

Target: Turkish_South
Distance: 1.8579% / 0.01857946
45.6 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
21.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.6 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
14.4 Mongola

[Sora]

Agree with Kyp Snow.

Turks/Azeris & East Europeans(especially Russians & Finno-Ugrics) are closer

[Ion Basescul]

:picard1:
Turks, together with Iranics and some Caucasus folk fall into Northwest Asia. Southwest Asia is from Levant and down.

[Leto]

So what? Many Arabs are part black, some Southern Iranians are too.

[Jana]

Finno-Ugrics from Russia which is east Europe in their Volga-Ural region can reach 20-25% mongoloid.

[Voskos]

southwest Asians or east Europeans?

Both east and west europeans are closer to east asians than Arabs are.

[Kyp]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/c2/cb/bec2cb8e8a345e1968b85e7bf2411458.png

[SharpFork]

If you mean Mongoloid, it's 5% on average in ethnic Russians. Could be from 1 to 10% in unmixed people.

What about Ukranians and Belarusian?

[Leto]

What about Ukranians and Belarusian?
0-3% unless they have ancestry from modern Russia.