Classify/pass these Bulgarians from Plovdiv

[Pribislav]

1) 96522

2) 96521

3) 96509

4) 96518

5) 96519

6) 96510

7) 96511

8) 96512

9) 96513

10) 96514

11) 96515

12) 96516

13) 96517

14) 96520

15) 96523

[Pribislav]

16) 96524

17) 96530

19) 96525

19) 96526

20) 96527

21) 96528

22) 96529

[Rgvgjhvv]

Unpassable as a group in Greece

[Nurzat]

very Romanian looking but more robust both in face and in body (wider).

mostly at the crossroads of Gorid and Mediterranean, Dinaric is weak or very weak, here and there less common types pop up.

[CommonSense]

IMO, they aren't as weird as you make them up to be and certainly more passable than those groups that contain loads of people with Russian features. Many have long faces too.

[Pribislav]

very Romanian looking but more robust both in face and in body (wider).

mostly at the crossroads of Gorid and Mediterranean, Dinaric is weak or very weak, here and there less common types pop up.

Post of one Bulgarian user on most frequent Serbian forum: "As regards Balkan people, those are Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Albanians and Croatians, other ethnicities doesn't exist. Bulgarians, Serbs and Croatians have states since middle age, Greece was founded in 1831, and Albania in 1912. Bosniaks are mostly of Serbian origin and small part of Croatian origin, Montenegrins are Serbs. Macedonians and Romanians are of Bulgarian origin."

He is from Bulgaria, but he speak Serbian pretty good, due to years spent on Serbian forum.
This is his original post (хан Ацо) on Serbian (Serbian users can confirm) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/pogrom-i-unistenje-srba-u-grckoj.903209/page-4#post-39617533

[Anaximander]

Unpassable as a group in Greece

They are very Russian looking to be Greek ,right.
They have a slavic vibe.

And imagine people from Sofia, call people from Plovdid as Cingari.
Its very common when Levski Sofia plays with Plovdiv, the first call the later as Cingari.

[Ion Basescul]

Post of one Bulgarian user on most frequent Serbian forum: "As regards Balkan people, those are Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Albanians and Croatians, other ethnicities doesn't exist. Bulgarians, Serbs and Croatians have states since middle age, Greece was founeded in 1831, and Albania in 1912. Bosniaks are mostly of Serbian origin and small part of Croatian origin, Montenegrins are Serbs. Macedonians and Romanians are of Bulgarian origin."

He is from Bulgaria, but he speak Serbian pretty good, due to years spent on Serbian forum.
This is his original post (хан Ацо) on Serbian (Serbian users can confirm) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/pogrom-i-unistenje-srba-u-grckoj.903209/page-4#post-39617533

Well he said it, so it must be true. :lol:

[Pribislav]

They are very Russian looking to be Greek ,right.
They have a slavic vibe.

And imagine people from Sofia, call people from Plovdid as Cingari.
Its very common when Levski Sofia plays with Plovdiv, the first call the later as Cingari.

Most of these people have alien features for Serbs, they are too much "eastern" looking for Serbs.

[Anaximander]

Most of these people have alien features for Serbs, they are too much "eastern" looking for Serbs.

Who said they look Serbian?? I didnt
I opened 3 links, and i saw very Russian looking people.
But again imagine, they are of the dark Bulgarians since people from Sofia call them Cigari.

[Tauromachos]

They look Slavic but with noticable Med and even West Asian type like influence

I agree with Pribo that they look different from Serbs

[Pribislav]

Who said they look Serbian?? I didnt
I opened 3 links, and i saw very Russian looking people.
But again imagine, they are of the dark Bulgarians since people from Sofia call them Cigari.

I would like to heard opinion of some Russian user how much of them roughly can pass as Russians.

[Anaximander]

In Russia, they pass only in Donbass i think, or as a hole in Novorossiya, they pass better as Cossacks.
I think their closest Group are the Cossacks....

[pelikarski]

They look Slavic but with noticable Med and even West Asian type like influence

I agree with Pribo that they look different from Serbs

Plovdiv is very multicultural. Lots of Gypsies, Turks, Armenians, Jews, Greeks, Russians, chances many of these presented in OP are not Bulgarians.

[PAGANE]

From Stara Zagora

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[Tauromachos]

Plovdiv is very multicultural. Lots of Gypsies, Turks, Armenians, Jews, Greeks, Russians, chances many of these presented in OP are not Bulgarians.

Ok sure i wouldn't have thought all are pure Bulgarians

[pelikarski]

I would like to heard opinion of some Russian user how much of them roughly can pass as Russians.

What is your point with this thread? You know same thread for Serbs can be created.

PS. To the Greek Troll. People from Sofia don't call Plovdiv Gypsies. It's football / ultras thing. Oly and Pana also call Paok fans Bulgarians, just to irritate them. This is what ultras do

[Pribislav]

Plovdiv is very multicultural. Lots of Gypsies, Turks, Armenians, Jews, Greeks, Russians, chances many of these presented in OP are not Bulgarians.

On census in 2011 in Plovdiv there was 90% Bulgarians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plovdiv#Ethnicity_and_religion

[pelikarski]

On census in 2011 in Plovdiv there was 90% Bulgarians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plovdiv#Ethnicity_and_religion

You believe census? and that was 10 years ago

[Pribislav]

What is your point with this thread? You know same thread for Serbs can be created.

This is not thread troll, like one recently with Bulgarians where Bulgarians are swarthy as Levantines (I think it's Laag's thread). Most of these people look very Bulgarian to me, more stereotypical Bulgarian than people from Bulgarian part of Shopluk.

[Anaximander]

People in the last Photo, in Stara Zagora look like Russians.
Bulgaria is like Little Russia in the Balkans.

I think the closest relatives of Bulgarians lay in the east, not on the west.
The Bulgarians are phenotypical brothers with southern Russians, people from Donbass and the Novorussiya.

[pelikarski]

This is not thread troll, like one recently with Bulgarians where Bulgarians are swarthy as Levantines (I think it's Laag's thread). Most of these people look very Bulgarian to me, more stereotypical Bulgarian than people from Bulgarian part of Shopluk.

You know opinions are like asses, everyone has one

[pelikarski]

IMO, they aren't as weird as you make them up to be and certainly more passable than those groups that contain loads of people with Russian features. Many have long faces too.

Good point. I am also aware they are not identical to Serbs, but I still sense Pribislavs sneaky agenda to draw some imaginery line of racial differences between Bulgarians.

I remember he said once difference is no like between S and N Italians, but still pretty huge. Well.....

[Pribislav]

Good point. I am also aware they are not identical to Serbs, but I still sense Pribislavs sneaky agenda to draw some imaginery line of racial differences between Bulgarians.

I remember he said once difference is no like between S and N Italians, but still pretty huge. Well.....

Link with that "my statement" would be useful!?

I probably compared Serbs and Albanians, you confuse that with Bulgarians. Serbs and Albanians are autosomally most different neighbours in Europe after Slovenians and Italians, it's a well known fact.

[Nurzat]

From Stara Zagora

much more Greek-influenced compared to the other set. though still most similar to Romanians in women, but men are considerably more robust than Romanians and some are much more Slavic looking while others are much more Greek or even Albanian looking. quite a Balkan mix

[Pribislav]

From Stara Zagora

https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-0/p640x640/88259122_1352891818244319_5988840403984449536_o.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=rjIMXMkTfqEAX_xR709&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=89d7cd31fe9451013c2c7aa7b0539839&oe=5E9F4D9B

^^
That is how I see typical Bulgarians females.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

much more Greek-influenced compared to the other set. though still most similar to Romanians in women, but men are considerably more robust than Romanians and some are much more Slavic looking while others are much more Greek or even Albanian looking. quite a Balkan mix

I agree that our men have somewhat less square-ish faces, but longer. Not that more robust though, just that our robust guys are busy working as security lol.

[JohnnyP]

Post of one Bulgarian user on most frequent Serbian forum: "As regards Balkan people, those are Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Albanians and Croatians, other ethnicities doesn't exist. Bulgarians, Serbs and Croatians have states since middle age, Greece was founded in 1831, and Albania in 1912. Bosniaks are mostly of Serbian origin and small part of Croatian origin, Montenegrins are Serbs. Macedonians and Romanians are of Bulgarian origin."

He is from Bulgaria, but he speak Serbian pretty good, due to years spent on Serbian forum.
This is his original post (хан Ацо) on Serbian (Serbian users can confirm) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/pogrom-i-unistenje-srba-u-grckoj.903209/page-4#post-39617533

Hrvoje you are windf*cker, only bla bla ,nothing based on facts.These guys wont pass in Macedonia and second stop with "serbian brainwashing", most non-homogeneous people on Balkans are Serbs atleast south serbia together with Nish is from Macedonian origin...Rest are Magyars or Montenegrins aka Albano-Slavs.

[Laag]

They look very Bulgarian. Pass in Albania, Macedonia and Turkey.

[Pribislav]

Hrvoje you are windf*cker, only bla bla ,nothing based on facts.These guys wont pass in Macedonia and second stop with "serbian brainwashing", most non-homogeneous people on Balkans are Serbs atleast south serbia together with Nish is from Macedonian origin...Rest are Magyars or Montenegrins aka Albano-Slavs.

Southern Serb from Niš about North Macedonians: "What do you get when you bathe a Northmacedonian - dirty water and CLEAN BULGARIAN." :lol::lol:

Originally posted this guy Esad Dzudzo on Serbian (second and third row) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/pogrom-i-unistenje-srba-u-grckoj.903209/page-4#post-39626392

[Bosniensis]

Scary looking people

[Pribislav]

Scary looking people

How so?

[Bosniensis]

How so?

a lot of them with Turanic features unlike Bosnians, Croatians.

[Laag]

Wishes: Atlantids, Nordids, Faelids.
Reality: Wogs.

[Pribislav]

a lot of them with Turanic features unlike Bosnians, Croatians.

Yea, some women have something Turanic in faces. That is main thing which makes them different from North Macedonians.

[Ülev]

maybe not "wogs" but southern phenotypes prevails

[JohnnyP]

Southern Serb from Niš about North Macedonians: "What do you get when you bathe a Northmacedonian - dirty water and CLEAN BULGARIAN." :lol::lol:

Originally posted this guy Esad Dzudzo on Serbian (second and third row) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/pogrom-i-unistenje-srba-u-grckoj.903209/page-4#post-39626392

Hahahaha Hrvoje again bla bla,man full of sh*t.

[Pribislav]

Hahahaha Hrvoje again bla bla,man full of sh*t.

What do you get when you bathe a North Macedonians? Dirty water and clean Bulgarian! :)

^^
Murderously true! :thumb001:

[JohnnyP]

What do you get when you bathe a Serbian? Dirty water and 50% Macedonian, 40% Magyar and 10% Wannabe Albanian :)

^^
Murderously true! :thumb001:

[Cumansky]

They look Polish, also Ukrainian, Romanian, Serbian

[Pribislav]

bump

[Pribislav]

a lot of them with Turanic features unlike Bosnians, Croatians.

Turanic woman from Plovdiv (right) 96544

[Lioncourt]

And imagine people from Sofia, call people from Plovdid as Cingari.
Its very common when Levski Sofia plays with Plovdiv, the first call the later as Cingari.

Shut up retarded kid.

[Lioncourt]

I know several people of these sets. None of them was born in Plovdiv.

[Jana]

I would place this set in northern Macedonia, north Greece, southern Romania besides Bulgaria. They are more southern European shifted than guys I posted in my thread about Bulgarians.
Also good overlap with Aromanians.

[Pribislav]

I know several people of these sets. None of them was born in Plovdiv.

Are they at least ethnic Bulgarians?

Many people from Belgrade, Novi Sad and other bigger cities in Serbia are not born there.

[Lioncourt]

Are they at least ethnic Bulgarians?

Many people from Belgrade, Novi Sad and other bigger cities in Serbia are not born there.

As far as I know yes. One is ethnic Bulgarian from Serbia, Dimitrovgrad.

[Pribislav]

As far as I know yes. One is ethnic Bulgarian from Serbia, Dimitrovgrad.

Shop.

[Lioncourt]

Shop.

Also one from Veliko Tarnovo and one from Pleven.

[Terminator98]

Hm, honestly I don't really think this is typical Bulgarian look (perhaps in that region, no chance whole Bulgaria look like this). As for phenotypes - mainly med and baltid types (and combinations between those), with few turanic influenced persons (mostly in eye area). Very unpassable in Serbia as group. Btw, quick search with query ,,Bulgarians'' on Google gave me these pictures (another proof this is not main look in Bulagria):

https://bubkesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/dsf3346-2.jpg
https://www.interhecs.com/media/uploads/blog/News/2018/April/.thumbnails/estate-agents-sofia-bulgaria.jpg/estate-agents-sofia-bulgaria-600x0.jpg
https://ak0.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/17604940/thumb/1.jpg

[Pribislav]

Also one from Veliko Tarnovo and one from Pleven.

Are Bulgarians from northern flat part of Bulgaria there since middle age, settlers from mountain parts of Bulgaria after Ottomans, or mix of both?

In Ottoman time Serbs mostly lived in mountains, and from there they populated lower and flat parts of Serbia (minus Vojvodina) and Bosnia in the last few decades of Ottoman rule and after Ottomans.

[Lioncourt]

Are Bulgarians from northern flat part of Bulgaria there since middle age, settlers from mountain parts of Bulgaria after Ottomans, or mix of both?

In Ottoman time Serbs mostly lived in mountains, and from there they populated lower and flat parts of Serbia (minus Vojvodina) and Bosnia in the last few decades of Ottoman rule and after Ottomans.

In Ottoman time, Bulgarians from lower parts of the country moved to the mountains, and after Ottoman time they moved back.

Plovdiv was mostly Turkish-Greek-Jewish-Armenian town 150 years ago.

[Pribislav]

In Ottoman time, Bulgarians from lower parts of the country moved to the mountains, and after Ottoman time they moved back.

Plovdiv was mostly Turkish-Greek-Jewish-Armenian town 150 years ago.

In Belgrade in most period of Ottoman rule lived Muslims (mostly islamized Serbs), Aromanians, Sephardic Jews, and Catholic merchants from Dubrobnik. This last disappeared in late 17th century. Orthodox Serbs were tiny minority in Ottoman Belgrade.
The oldest Belgrade families have Aromanian and Jewish roots. Muslims are removed, they migrated to the Bosnia in 1860s.