Cornwall: What makes the Cornish distinct from other Celtic groups?

[RyoHazuki]

Why do they not fit as well with people from Ireland or Scotland? Is it prehistoric reasons?
https://i.imgur.com/8bDDS2l_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Leto]

Isn't Cornwall part of England now? Don't they speak English only?

[RyoHazuki]

Isn't Cornwall part of England now? Don't they speak English only?

Yes its part of England, yes they mostly speak English (no different to Ireland or Wales in that aspect).

[Davystayn]

Cornwall should have its own parliament and status as Wales.

It has been ruined in recent years with second home owners from the South East pricing them out of their own homes.

Cornish language is similar to, but not as harsh sounding as Welsh is.

I would imagine they would be more similar to bretons?

[JamesBond007]

Cornwall should have its own parliament and status as Wales.

It has been ruined in recent years with second home owners from the South East pricing them out of their own homes.

Cornish language is similar to, but not as harsh sounding as Welsh is.

I would imagine they would be more similar to bretons?

Similar to Bretons and Welsh but at the sametime still being more similar to the SouthEast English and by extension Dutch than other Celtic groups.

[Davystayn]

Could it be because of trade going way back, Wales is mountainous and relatively cut off, whereas cornwall is closer to the continent?

[brennus dux gallorum]

Is the following Cornish representative of his people?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bsBryXkgNJg/UYggpJGIxrI/AAAAAAAADB0/G4O1of3Gnwc/s1600/Carleton-Stevens-Coon.jpg

[RyoHazuki]

Similar to Bretons and Welsh but at the sametime still being more similar to the SouthEast English and by extension Dutch than other Celtic groups.

They are closer to Wales than SE England, what are you on about my American friend?

[JamesBond007]

Is the following Cornish representative of his people?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Carleton_S._Coon.png

Cornish people can have dark hair, blonde hair or red hair in fact red hair is more common there than possibly than the rest of England . In the West of England there are more North-Atlantids than SouthEast England though so here is a North-Atlantid looking Cornish woman :

https://flixchatter.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/fwaaf_fiona.jpg?w=640

https://wallpapercave.com/wp/uqg0sZL.jpg


[https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1545743046159.jpg

[JamesBond007]

They are closer to Wales than SE England, what are you on about my American friend?

I never said otherwise. I mean compared to the Welsh and other Celtic groups they are closer to the Southern English.

[RyoHazuki]

I never said otherwise. I mean compared to the Welsh and other Celtic groups they are closer to the Southern English.

My mistake. What's your K15 admix by chance?

[PaleoEuropean]

Gaels and Bretons are two completely different people in terms of origins. Picts would have been similar to Welsh and Cornish people

[Davystayn]

Is the following Cornish representative of his people?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bsBryXkgNJg/UYggpJGIxrI/AAAAAAAADB0/G4O1of3Gnwc/s1600/Carleton-Stevens-Coon.jpg

He could be a fisherman, if you think of him wearing deep sea fishing gear

[JamesBond007]

My mistake. What's your K15 admix by chance?



Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.90
2 Atlantic 27.26
3 Baltic 9.98
4 Eastern_Euro 9.54
5 West_Med 9.00
6 West_Asian 4.70


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.227181
2 Southeast_English @ 4.311458
3 North_Dutch @ 4.412205
4 Danish @ 4.772104
5 West_Scottish @ 4.967160
6 Irish @ 5.035374
7 Orcadian @ 5.136900
8 North_German @ 6.150977
9 Norwegian @ 7.680265
10 South_Dutch @ 8.165316
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.655346
12 West_German @ 9.124647
13 Swedish @ 9.369050
14 North_Swedish @ 12.142170
15 French @ 13.106814
16 East_German @ 14.483371
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.617937
18 Austrian @ 19.816404
19 Hungarian @ 20.136675
20 Finnish @ 21.119114

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.075809

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 3.075809


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.379456
2 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.608917
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.750713
4 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.770147
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.780758
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.826059
7 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.872046
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.889784
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.924936
10 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.948628
11 North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.952860
12 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.954086
13 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.956412
14 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.956784
15 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.995584
16 Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.999320
17 North_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.005166
18 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 3.005891
19 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.010474
20 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.010906

[Davystayn]

Cornish people can have dark hair, blonde hair or red hair in fact red hair is more common there than possibly than the rest of England . In the West of England there are more North-Atlantids than SouthEast England though so here is a North-Atlantid looking Cornish woman :

https://flixchatter.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/fwaaf_fiona.jpg?w=640

https://wallpapercave.com/wp/uqg0sZL.jpg


[https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1545743046159.jpg

There is a Cornish type with dark hair with very pale skin, that you dont get as much elsewhere.

There also don't seem to be as many gingers in cornwall as opposed to the other celtic nations,

[Grace O'Malley]

Here's a Population Distance chart with all the Insular Celts. I've included Brittany because they are very similar. The Gaels i.e. Irish and Scots are closer to each other and the Britonnic Celts are closer to each other. Of course the English separates these populations. It is interesting to see what populations they are closest to.

https://i.imgur.com/VZS0LdT.png?1

[RyoHazuki]

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.90
2 Atlantic 27.26
3 Baltic 9.98
4 Eastern_Euro 9.54
5 West_Med 9.00
6 West_Asian 4.70


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.227181
2 Southeast_English @ 4.311458
3 North_Dutch @ 4.412205
4 Danish @ 4.772104
5 West_Scottish @ 4.967160
6 Irish @ 5.035374
7 Orcadian @ 5.136900
8 North_German @ 6.150977
9 Norwegian @ 7.680265
10 South_Dutch @ 8.165316
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.655346
12 West_German @ 9.124647
13 Swedish @ 9.369050
14 North_Swedish @ 12.142170
15 French @ 13.106814
16 East_German @ 14.483371
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.617937
18 Austrian @ 19.816404
19 Hungarian @ 20.136675
20 Finnish @ 21.119114

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.075809

Full admix percentages (K15 components)?

[RyoHazuki]

There is a Cornish type with dark hair with very pale skin, that you dont get as much elsewhere.

There also don't seem to be as many gingers in cornwall as opposed to the other celtic nations,

Atlantids (permeating the Celtic Sea/Bay of Biscay) lived on a diet of fish rather than game.

[JamesBond007]

Full admix percentages (K15 components)?

BTW, Orcadian is Celtic+Norse (North-Germanic). There is German blood in the Southern English and I don't mean simply Anglo-Saxon but straight kraut but I don't think mine is East_German the admixture calculator on K15 seems a little East shifted otherwise it seems pretty accurate :


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.90
2 Atlantic 27.26
3 Baltic 9.98
4 Eastern_Euro 9.54
5 West_Med 9.00
6 West_Asian 4.70


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.227181
2 Southeast_English @ 4.311458
3 North_Dutch @ 4.412205
4 Danish @ 4.772104
5 West_Scottish @ 4.967160
6 Irish @ 5.035374
7 Orcadian @ 5.136900
8 North_German @ 6.150977
9 Norwegian @ 7.680265
10 South_Dutch @ 8.165316
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.655346
12 West_German @ 9.124647
13 Swedish @ 9.369050
14 North_Swedish @ 12.142170
15 French @ 13.106814
16 East_German @ 14.483371
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.617937
18 Austrian @ 19.816404
19 Hungarian @ 20.136675
20 Finnish @ 21.119114

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.075809

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 3.075809


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.379456
2 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.608917 <--- should probably be West_German I dunno
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.750713 <-- Should probably be West_German I dunno
4 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.770147
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.780758
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.826059
7 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.872046
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.889784
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.924936
10 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.948628
11 North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.952860
12 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.954086
13 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.956412
14 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.956784
15 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.995584
16 Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.999320
17 North_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.005166
18 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 3.005891
19 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.010474
20 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.010906

[JamesBond007]

There is a Cornish type with dark hair with very pale skin, that you dont get as much elsewhere.

Ok, probably seems to be the case to me. You are probably correct.


There also don't seem to be as many gingers in cornwall as opposed to the other celtic nations,

I wouldn't know but there seem to be a bias against gingers among most English people. You may be right though I have no way of Judging.I live in Cornwall New York USA . There is a town named Cornwall here in the state of New York. I don't live in Cornwall England.

[RyoHazuki]

BTW, Orcadian is Celtic+Norse (North-Germanic). There is German blood in the Southern English and I don't mean simply Anglo-Saxon but straight kraut but I don't think mine is East_German the admixture calculator on K15 seems a little East shifted otherwise it seems pretty accurate :


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.90
2 Atlantic 27.26
3 Baltic 9.98
4 Eastern_Euro 9.54
5 West_Med 9.00
6 West_Asian 4.70


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.227181
2 Southeast_English @ 4.311458
3 North_Dutch @ 4.412205
4 Danish @ 4.772104
5 West_Scottish @ 4.967160
6 Irish @ 5.035374
7 Orcadian @ 5.136900
8 North_German @ 6.150977
9 Norwegian @ 7.680265
10 South_Dutch @ 8.165316
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.655346
12 West_German @ 9.124647
13 Swedish @ 9.369050
14 North_Swedish @ 12.142170
15 French @ 13.106814
16 East_German @ 14.483371
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.617937
18 Austrian @ 19.816404
19 Hungarian @ 20.136675
20 Finnish @ 21.119114

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.075809

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 3.075809


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.379456
2 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.608917 <--- should probably be West_German I dunno
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.750713 <-- Should probably be West_German I dunno
4 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.770147
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.780758
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.826059
7 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.872046
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.889784
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.924936
10 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.948628
11 North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.952860
12 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.954086
13 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.956412
14 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.956784
15 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.995584
16 Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.999320
17 North_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.005166
18 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 3.005891
19 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.010474
20 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.010906

I mean the full individual admix (South Asian, SEA, SSA, East Med, etc) percentages on your pie chart generated by Gedmatch, not your oracle population results. I'm plotting you on the PCA chart. Thank you though.

[JamesBond007]

I mean the full individual admix (South Asian, SEA, SSA, East Med, etc) percentages on your pie chart generated by Gedmatch, not your oracle population results. I'm plotting you on the PCA chart. Thank you though.

You mean this ?

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

If you do mean that then I've already done it and have it on hand if you want it

[RyoHazuki]

You mean this ? ( If you do mean that then I've already done it and have it on hand if you want it :)

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Yeah that one. If you could post it'd be cool. I'm creating a plot of people who reported pred. British ancestry. Thanks

[JamesBond007]

I mean the full individual admix (South Asian, SEA, SSA, East Med, etc) percentages on your pie chart generated by Gedmatch, not your oracle population results. I'm plotting you on the PCA chart. Thank you though.

Super duper Celtic (evil grin). Some English or British people are just closer to the Dutch and Danish it is just the nature of the beast my dude. Queen Elizabeth would probably plot similary because she has German ancestry from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha :

https://i.postimg.cc/13S3CQcg/me.png




https://conquestsofthebritishisles.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/7/2/15724894/_3538353_orig.gif

[gixajo]

Is it normal thay total ammount of k15 components is 96.38?

Where is gone the 3.62 missing?

I asked it, because in my case the total is 99.99 and I don´t know if it usual.

[RyoHazuki]

Super duper Celtic (evil grin). Some English or British people are just closer to the Dutch and Danish it is just the nature of the beast my dude. Queen Elizabeth would probably plot similary because she has German ancestry from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha :

https://i.postimg.cc/13S3CQcg/me.png

Many Irish people are close to Dutch. If you married a girl from Toulouse and had a kid with her I'd be the result.
https://i.imgur.com/KsWWELS_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[RyoHazuki]

Is it normal thay total ammount of k15 components is 96.38?

Where is gone the 3.62 missing?

I asked it, because in my case the total is 99.99 and I don´t know if it usual.

He posted whats reported on the oracle page which only shows the highest components, leaving out smaller percentages. Yeah its normal to get 99.99, 99.99 - 100.01 is the acceptable range.

[JamesBond007]

He posted whats reported on the oracle page which only shows the highest components, leaving out smaller percentages. Yeah its normal to get 99.99, 99.99 - 100.01 is the acceptable range.

The oracle 4 cuts it off because anything under 1 is statistically likely to be noise. Noise is not to be taken seriously scientifically/mathematically.

[gixajo]

He posted whats reported on the oracle page which only shows the highest components, leaving out smaller percentages. Yeah its normal to get 99.99, 99.99 - 100.01 is the acceptable range.

We were making some average population to compare our results in another threads using k13, and when we add percentages and rounding decinals we use to loose something, what will be the total acceptable percentage to use it without loose accuracy in estimations?

Thanks

[gixajo]

The oracle 4 cuts it off because anything under 1 is statistically likely to be noise. Noise is not to be taken seriously scientifically/mathematically.

When we were calculating a possible k13 for a Grench member, many times I obtained 100.06 or 99.94 , and I was afraid to loose too accuracy. But this teassures me, thanks.

[RyoHazuki]

We were making some average population to compare our results in another threads using k13, and when we add percentages and rounding decinals we use to loose something, what will be the total acceptable percentage to use it without loose accuracy in estimations?

Thanks

Probably still 99.99 - 100.01, since if too much is gone there won't be enough data to make it somewhat accurate.

[Grace O'Malley]

Differences between the Irish and Scots i.e. Gaels and the Welsh and Cornish i.e Britons is that the Britons are a bit more southern shifted. All the Irish and British are very close though and it is all on a very fine scale. All Northwest Europeans are extremely close population distance wise.

Here's a plot from The Genetic Landscape of Scotland and the Isles

https://i.imgur.com/onJM6Rn.png

[JamesBond007]

Differences between the Irish and Scots i.e. Gaels and the Welsh and Cornish i.e Britons is that the Britons are a bit more southern shifted. All the Irish and British are very close though and it is all on a very fine scale. All Northwest Europeans are extremely close population distance wise.

Here's a plot from The Genetic Landscape of Scotland and the Isles




It really looks like the Cornish are an outlier and that they are closer to the Welsh and southern English than to anyone else to be honest Grace. At least that is the way it seems to me. I think the idea of a unified celtic people is a myth a nice romantic myth but a myth non the less.

[Grace O'Malley]

It really looks like the Cornish are an outlier and that they are closer to the Welsh and southern English than to anyone else to be honest Grace. At least that is the way it seems to me. I think the idea of a unified celtic people is a myth a nice romantic myth but a myth non the less.

It's always been a myth. There was never really any Celtic solidarity. Also there is not really an Insular Celtic cluster as I've said many times.

[Grace O'Malley]

Some models using ancient samples.

Target: English_Cornwall
Distance: 2.4404% / 0.02440440
72.0 SWE_Battle-Axe
28.0 POL_Globular_Amphora

Target: Welsh
Distance: 2.1875% / 0.02187548
72.2 SWE_Battle-Axe
27.2 POL_Globular_Amphora
0.6 SWE_Motala_HG

Target: Scottish
Distance: 2.3240% / 0.02323981
75.8 SWE_Battle-Axe
23.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
0.8 SWE_Motala_HG

Target: Irish
Distance: 2.6579% / 0.02657862
77.0 SWE_Battle-Axe
22.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
0.6 SWE_Motala_HG

This is my result compared to the Irish average.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.2574% / 0.03257428
74.6 SWE_Battle-Axe
21.0 POL_Globular_Amphora
4.4 SWE_Motala_HG

[brennus dux gallorum]

He could be a fisherman, if you think of him wearing deep sea fishing gear

lol he was the most famous and most important anthropologist in history

[J. Ketch]

lol he was the most famous and important anthropologist in history
And yet virtually unknown in the real world.

[J. Ketch]

double

[Grace O'Malley]

And yet virtually unknown in the real world.

Any good models you can suggest for showing similarities/differences in these populations? You have a good grasp of this sort of topic.

[samario]

Chris Martin is from Devon, not too far from Cornwall.

[J. Ketch]

Any good models you can suggest for showing similarities/differences in these populations? You have a good grasp of this sort of topic.
I can't really demonstrate it better than the t-sne you posted above, nor many of the models that have been posted before. The British Isles can broadly be divided in two autosomally, between the Northern British Isles (Ireland, Scotland, Orkney, Shetland etc) that has more Steppe and British/Irish Beaker ancestry, and Southern Britain (England, Wales, Cornwall), which has less Steppe and more recent continental ancestry, with the Anglo-Scottish border regions sitting roughly between those two groups.

[J. Ketch]

double again ffs

[Grace O'Malley]

I can't really demonstrate it better than the PCA you posted above, nor many of the models that have posted before. The British Isles can broadly be divided in two autosomally, between the Northern British Isles (Ireland, Scotland, Orkney, Shetland etc) that has more Steppe and British/Irish Beaker ancestry, and Southern Britain (England, Wales, Cornwall), which has less Steppe and more recent continental ancestry, with the Anglo-Scottish border regions sitting roughly between those two groups.

That's a very succinct summary and really answers the question asked in this thread. :thumb001:

[**JC**]

96589

My 2x Grandfather John Mill Rowe born 1850. Both his paternal and maternal lines traced back to the late 1600's. Two lines on his maternal side go back to the early 1600's All families lived in the Redruth - Illogan area of Kerrier west Cornwall.

Definitely Dark hair possibly dark brown or black with light eyes and pale complexion.

[J. Ketch]

Sporting teams from Cornwall

https://i2-prod.cornwalllive.com/incoming/article3235636.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/0_CM_DCM_Kernow.jpg
https://www.clcga.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/ICMW_Cornwall_TeamPhoto2.jpg
https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/DSC_0262-2.jpg
https://www.cornwallgolfunion.org.uk/images/sites/cornwallgolfunion/2019-06-09%2016.22.26-1%20(2).jpg
https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Cornwall-Women-2019-e1579120499906.jpg
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https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Cornwall-at-Banbury-e1494623120898.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R9f4c7fe93e780099117e3c566b40bd54?rik=1Zj7MqOpm%2f yfiw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.tintagelweb.co.uk%2fimages%2f SportsTeamsPhotos%2fTin%2520CC%25201st%2520XI%2520 %25202013.jpg&ehk=5234zstrESBfQ5sSDNDVt9x23r%2bFA8LrWx9qQDaw0i8% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DSCN1566-1024x768.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R18e6558f30fb68dbc6808f1fc9964f76?rik=1vYn6xBh9gnY fw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.crowdfunder.co.uk%2fuploads%2 fproject_images%2f5d%2f15%2f31561%2f31561-1cf80f1dc9e48938a4ba74c39adbfb6a.jpg&ehk=avZtsR4G0r8Fcz0mxxQciX%2f7HOaQNixYAuwuBf7HkmM% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R4c82d00743695872906295bee91667c1?rik=tJAtyrIu0Mea FA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cornwalladvertisers.co.uk%2fi mages%2fnews%2f2017%2f5727_wadebridge-cricket-1.jpg&ehk=zxYKPYxgPKLwF%2bLh18byGNATDDe%2bKorErV2GPrfpiT w%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/DSCN1984-1024x678.jpg

Youth teams
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Re29d9f4eedb3f8474214a0566f446aef?rik=IJcffZ33LB4k fg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fpenryn-college.cornwall.sch.uk%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2017%2f03%2fU12-Winners-of-the-County-Schools-Netball-Tournament-Penryn-College.jpg&ehk=V1%2bKhtjkQ9%2fWiV11mtRjCuJcAxu3ETH1R2FmkNkWEv g%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rc16494545d570f951e617ddc1107597e?rik=rSce9K5QK0RX VQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2fpenryn-college.cornwall.sch.uk%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2016%2f11%2fhockey-team-1024x852-1.jpg&ehk=m4WLyF4%2bTnUUlZBtiB6rrVDO%2b8asHITe7et9m6MoWK 8%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-15-Football-boys-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-15-Cricket-1024x683.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-14-Rugby-1024x683.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-14-Rounders-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-14-Netball-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-14-Hockey-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-13-Hockey-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-13-Netball.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Swimming-Team-1024x684.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rf4a47866261d07c86e9ac6e4a93b4eb6?rik=U%2bHRTmGkoa ylEA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.truroschool.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2016%2f02%2fUnder-13-Cornwall-Hockey-Ch.jpg&ehk=lOx7SCkKNRZ9WBA2ILCyzNDsjV1NUE4k2uwk3oWWg1k%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://www.truroschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/U13-Cricket-County-Champion-600x563.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R5b20b623dd6e2afdfb5d83a147953f34?rik=5ub56gcpSq2q Fg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.crowdfunder.co.uk%2fuploads%2 fprojects%2f31561.jpg%3fv%3d1445181063&ehk=CTooMUjw%2bu9I3ytaWtXljZF%2fHgpw0x97XIbjvsT0cJ E%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw

[J. Ketch]

Saxon and Celt together at the picturesque frontier of England

https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Sandford2-1024x768.jpg

[J. Ketch]

K13 average of 8 Cornish kits



Cornish,50.09,22.78,14.27,5.59,4.27,0.61,0.65,0.07 ,0.09,0.90,0.53,0.04,0.04

Distance to: Cornish
0.99025249 English_Southwest
1.16322827 English_Midlands
1.30908365 English
1.45272158 English_Southeast
1.89042323 Welsh
2.01836568 English_North
2.24040175 France_north-west
3.39899985 Orcadian
3.47886476 Irish_Leinster
3.55078864 Scottish
3.80135502 Dutch
4.13498489 Dutch_Central
4.35237866 Irish
4.55300999 West_Scottish
4.56982494 Irish_Munster
4.65047309 Dutch_South
5.06409913 Irish_Connacht
5.10640774 Irish_Ulster
5.22099607 Dutch_North
5.70921185 Belgian
6.40804182 Icelandic
6.77559591 German_West
6.93093789 Afrikaner
6.97258919 North_German
7.57563199 Denmark


Target: Cornish
Distance: 0.6844% / 0.68443843 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.3 English_Midlands
24.6 English_Southwest
16.2 Scottish
3.9 Spanish_Aragon

Target: Cornish
Distance: 0.7917% / 0.79167003 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
97.0 English_Midlands
3.0 French_Basque

[Lucas]

Sporting teams from Cornwall

https://i2-prod.cornwalllive.com/incoming/article3235636.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/0_CM_DCM_Kernow.jpg
https://www.clcga.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/ICMW_Cornwall_TeamPhoto2.jpg
https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/DSC_0262-2.jpg
https://www.cornwallgolfunion.org.uk/images/sites/cornwallgolfunion/2019-06-09%2016.22.26-1%20(2).jpg
https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Cornwall-Women-2019-e1579120499906.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rc002c87efd00356a91244f17b4caf44a?rik=G13F7glaHP0c pg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.trelawnysarmy.org.uk%2fta%2fP ictures%2fCornwall-v-Lancs-2013%2falbum%2fslides%2fCornwall+team.JPG&ehk=vMph88dad6x6PNoRHYLCH4OtZ8UZ55G1Oqo84FTFR%2bA% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Cornwall-at-Banbury-e1494623120898.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R9f4c7fe93e780099117e3c566b40bd54?rik=1Zj7MqOpm%2f yfiw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.tintagelweb.co.uk%2fimages%2f SportsTeamsPhotos%2fTin%2520CC%25201st%2520XI%2520 %25202013.jpg&ehk=5234zstrESBfQ5sSDNDVt9x23r%2bFA8LrWx9qQDaw0i8% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DSCN1566-1024x768.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R18e6558f30fb68dbc6808f1fc9964f76?rik=1vYn6xBh9gnY fw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.crowdfunder.co.uk%2fuploads%2 fproject_images%2f5d%2f15%2f31561%2f31561-1cf80f1dc9e48938a4ba74c39adbfb6a.jpg&ehk=avZtsR4G0r8Fcz0mxxQciX%2f7HOaQNixYAuwuBf7HkmM% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R4c82d00743695872906295bee91667c1?rik=tJAtyrIu0Mea FA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cornwalladvertisers.co.uk%2fi mages%2fnews%2f2017%2f5727_wadebridge-cricket-1.jpg&ehk=zxYKPYxgPKLwF%2bLh18byGNATDDe%2bKorErV2GPrfpiT w%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://cornwallcricket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/DSCN1984-1024x678.jpg

Youth teams
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Re29d9f4eedb3f8474214a0566f446aef?rik=IJcffZ33LB4k fg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fpenryn-college.cornwall.sch.uk%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2017%2f03%2fU12-Winners-of-the-County-Schools-Netball-Tournament-Penryn-College.jpg&ehk=V1%2bKhtjkQ9%2fWiV11mtRjCuJcAxu3ETH1R2FmkNkWEv g%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
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https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-15-Football-boys-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-15-Cricket-1024x683.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-14-Rugby-1024x683.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-14-Rounders-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-14-Netball-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-14-Hockey-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-13-Hockey-1024x684.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Under-13-Netball.jpg
https://tretherras.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Swimming-Team-1024x684.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rf4a47866261d07c86e9ac6e4a93b4eb6?rik=U%2bHRTmGkoa ylEA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.truroschool.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2016%2f02%2fUnder-13-Cornwall-Hockey-Ch.jpg&ehk=lOx7SCkKNRZ9WBA2ILCyzNDsjV1NUE4k2uwk3oWWg1k%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://www.truroschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/U13-Cricket-County-Champion-600x563.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R5b20b623dd6e2afdfb5d83a147953f34?rik=5ub56gcpSq2q Fg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.crowdfunder.co.uk%2fuploads%2 fprojects%2f31561.jpg%3fv%3d1445181063&ehk=CTooMUjw%2bu9I3ytaWtXljZF%2fHgpw0x97XIbjvsT0cJ E%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw



Looking at all images I can throw to the bin all those past anthro statements about relatively darkest Cornwall comparing to rest of England. Considering blondism is recessive, 100 years ago it should be even more light.

[Leto]

Looking at all images I can throw to the bin all those past anthro statements about relatively darkest Cornwall comparing to rest of England. Considering blondism is recessive, 100 years ago it should be even more light.
If genetics hasn't changed, why would the rate of blondism change?

[J. Ketch]

Looking at all images I can throw to the bin all those past anthro statements about relatively darkest Cornwall comparing to rest of England. Considering blondism is recessive, 100 years ago it should be even more light.
Bear in mind that Cornwall has been long since flooded with people from other parts of England, so whatever differences did exist would be smaller now, and the same for much of England/Britain due to large-scale internal migration since the Industrial Revolution. Ethnic Cornish tend to have Celtic surnames like Trewhella, Treloar, Trevaskis, Trevithick, Bolitho, Leggo, Jeggo, Nankervis, Baragwanath, Tredinnick, Rescorla etc.

[Grace O'Malley]

Bear in mind that Cornwall has been long since flooded with people from other parts of England, so whatever differences did exist would be smaller now, and the same for much of England/Britain due to large-scale internal migration since the Industrial Revolution. Ethnic Cornish tend to have Celtic surnames like Trewhella, Treloar, Trevaskis, Trevithick, Bolitho, Leggo, Jeggo, Nankervis, Baragwanath, Tredinnick, Rescorla etc.

The Celtic vs Germanic divide is artificial. Because I've being looking at this for years i've not found a lot of credence in the Celtic vs Germanic autosomally. Possibly in ydna with the divide with L21 vs 106/R1a anyway autosomal dna trumps ydna and all British Isles is on a gradient. It would be ironic if down the track some of the most Celtic genetics are not in the traditional places like Ireland and Wales. Anyway I look on Cornwall as Celtic due to historical reasons and also because they themselves feel Celtic but genetics shows British Isles is all very similar whether they are Anglo-Saxon or Celtic and it all looks geographic and on a gradient to me. This is logical as well. The Anglo-Saxon input is there and can't be ignored but there is some deep ancestry which runs through all the Isles populations.

[J. Ketch]

The Celtic vs Germanic divide is artificial. Because I've being looking at this for years i've not found a lot of credence in the Celtic vs Germanic autosomally. Possibly in ydna with the divide with L21 vs 106/R1a anyway autosomal dna trumps ydna and all British Isles is on a gradient. It would be ironic if down the track some of the most Celtic genetics are not in the traditional places like Ireland and Wales. Anyway I look on Cornwall as Celtic due to historical reasons and also because they themselves feel Celtic but genetics shows British Isles is all very similar whether they are Anglo-Saxon or Celtic and it all looks geographic and on a gradient to me. This is logical as well. The Anglo-Saxon input is there and can't be ignored but there is some deep ancestry which runs through all the Isles populations.
Labelling modern nations the British Isles and many other countries as 'Celtic' or 'Germanic' is I agree arbitrary and wrong. Nevertheless Celts and Germanics were pretty distinct in ancient times, and those patterns can still be seen in modern national/regional differences, which I find fascinating.

More Cornish teams

https://i.postimg.cc/MZfRHjS7/Pirates-on-Tresco-1-1024x576.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rf01b47210e57c0d0dcf77dae72bf2fb7?rik=1v%2fx%2fFhY PCXp6Q&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.falmouthrugbyclub.co.uk%2fMed ia%2fFalmouthRFC%2f_Profiles%2f297c94e4%2f1269a8f7 %2fimage1.jpeg%3fv%3d636880635998043254&ehk=0grIF1DCIfsFRaarP7GeD6NXPLwP4MR6ZNiiNOB8RBs%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://www.trelawnysarmy.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Cornwall-2019-fb.jpg
https://cornwall.muddystilettos.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2020/01/St-Agnes-Ladies-v-Bude-e1578604434246.jpg
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5a933a1128c28c00011e323d/5d5551f6fee1f9217594fc0f_57272261_235951343936972_ 6373676757970583552_o.jpg
https://i2-prod.cornwalllive.com/incoming/article2845551.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_Truro-Colleges-Chelsea-FC-Foundation-squad-2019.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R45b5652ed1bea7bd5d751e989c8f6ee6?rik=hNbUC4MJ53DH BA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcornwall-croquet.org.uk%2fjournals%2fccc_journal_2012%2fimg %2f20120529-SWFGC-3-350.jpg&ehk=hHN6nwSWTc4IF3hrBDSryUqJveBlW96EFnWA2tsGz6s%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R22745d3cbd9ba0c145b9b1f7af27113d?rik=1Dqz589CLe5P yw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcornwall-croquet.org.uk%2fjournals%2fccc_journal_2013%2fimg %2f20130628-Charity_One_Ball-1-800.jpg&ehk=mcsCD9p7uCkXaO5gabm201jqmhffqY8HmIC%2fDIn0FpE% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rc14330544e8a40b63cd084f2b9be1e07?rik=QNqNDSMiQtmi 7w&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcape.cornwall.sch.uk%2fmisc%2fima ge%2f50805%2f630%2f600%2ffalse&ehk=o7K2IS8B8a2LKi7bwK%2bDTfAxcjTvBrVQVLWXm07hbGI% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://imagearchive.royalcornwallmuseum.org.uk/p/668/football-team-probus-cornwall-1930-19292386.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rcd49e5921fa15a4ee1ec5c4786c2ccef?rik=n4YRE3GrD1HK Dg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cornwallsportspartnership.co. uk%2fimages%2fdr_0715d14c77e3a3a07026372827c52043. jpg&ehk=UZU06QnzHBFTzTnH1UE1kVxg9lgb5fBCfOiWrVmff7s%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://i2-prod.cornwalllive.com/sport/rugby/article827080.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/The-Truro-RFC-team-photographed-in-2011JPG.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Re4d99a99b037df9ad462edf9e7e675d7?rik=DPcL7ZjteaBf Qg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fpenryn-college.cornwall.sch.uk%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2020%2f03%2fRugby-Cornwall.jpg&ehk=rgVQL66iJPqqVZdkON0nrUcY4lUrJYMvyfsctPKgRHA%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://www.rugby-league.com/_mediaimages/800/67836.jpg
https://www.st-enodoc.co.uk/site/assets/files/13712/clcga2ndteama.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R4f58a002384ba64dee9e79e74144d737?rik=f%2fv0%2f16q hVH2xg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.swcga.co.uk%2fimages%2fthumbs %2fsites%2fsouthwest%2fSW%2520Week%25202016%2f640x 640%2f0%2fCornwall%2520Team%2520SW%2520Week%252020 16.jpg&ehk=KHUiAGwvcQXXpk4orVk8gqv7%2bYpqXE5le7frAJPl3EE% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://www.cornwallnetball.co.uk/uploads/6/7/9/2/6792245/3380005_orig.jpg
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[Grace O'Malley]

Labelling modern nations the British Isles and many other countries as 'Celtic' or 'Germanic' is I agree arbitrary and wrong. Nevertheless Celts and Germanics were pretty distinct in ancient times, and those patterns can still be seen in modern national/regional differences, which I find fascinating.

More Cornish teams

https://i.postimg.cc/MZfRHjS7/Pirates-on-Tresco-1-1024x576.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rf01b47210e57c0d0dcf77dae72bf2fb7?rik=1v%2fx%2fFhY PCXp6Q&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.falmouthrugbyclub.co.uk%2fMed ia%2fFalmouthRFC%2f_Profiles%2f297c94e4%2f1269a8f7 %2fimage1.jpeg%3fv%3d636880635998043254&ehk=0grIF1DCIfsFRaarP7GeD6NXPLwP4MR6ZNiiNOB8RBs%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://www.trelawnysarmy.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Cornwall-2019-fb.jpg
https://cornwall.muddystilettos.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2020/01/St-Agnes-Ladies-v-Bude-e1578604434246.jpg
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5a933a1128c28c00011e323d/5d5551f6fee1f9217594fc0f_57272261_235951343936972_ 6373676757970583552_o.jpg
https://i2-prod.cornwalllive.com/incoming/article2845551.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_Truro-Colleges-Chelsea-FC-Foundation-squad-2019.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R45b5652ed1bea7bd5d751e989c8f6ee6?rik=hNbUC4MJ53DH BA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcornwall-croquet.org.uk%2fjournals%2fccc_journal_2012%2fimg %2f20120529-SWFGC-3-350.jpg&ehk=hHN6nwSWTc4IF3hrBDSryUqJveBlW96EFnWA2tsGz6s%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R22745d3cbd9ba0c145b9b1f7af27113d?rik=1Dqz589CLe5P yw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcornwall-croquet.org.uk%2fjournals%2fccc_journal_2013%2fimg %2f20130628-Charity_One_Ball-1-800.jpg&ehk=mcsCD9p7uCkXaO5gabm201jqmhffqY8HmIC%2fDIn0FpE% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rc14330544e8a40b63cd084f2b9be1e07?rik=QNqNDSMiQtmi 7w&riu=http%3a%2f%2fcape.cornwall.sch.uk%2fmisc%2fima ge%2f50805%2f630%2f600%2ffalse&ehk=o7K2IS8B8a2LKi7bwK%2bDTfAxcjTvBrVQVLWXm07hbGI% 3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://imagearchive.royalcornwallmuseum.org.uk/p/668/football-team-probus-cornwall-1930-19292386.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rcd49e5921fa15a4ee1ec5c4786c2ccef?rik=n4YRE3GrD1HK Dg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cornwallsportspartnership.co. uk%2fimages%2fdr_0715d14c77e3a3a07026372827c52043. jpg&ehk=UZU06QnzHBFTzTnH1UE1kVxg9lgb5fBCfOiWrVmff7s%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://i2-prod.cornwalllive.com/sport/rugby/article827080.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/The-Truro-RFC-team-photographed-in-2011JPG.jpg
https://th.bing.com/th/id/Re4d99a99b037df9ad462edf9e7e675d7?rik=DPcL7ZjteaBf Qg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fpenryn-college.cornwall.sch.uk%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2020%2f03%2fRugby-Cornwall.jpg&ehk=rgVQL66iJPqqVZdkON0nrUcY4lUrJYMvyfsctPKgRHA%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
https://www.rugby-league.com/_mediaimages/800/67836.jpg

Yes they were but the labelling appears hopelessly flawed as was done by the Romans. I do have an affinity to the Celts because of having Irish ancestry but looking at genetics I'm just a North western European so I prefer to label myself as a Gael. I'm really not sure now of how Celtic I am genetically. :) Why do I cluster with the English and Scandinavians? I've sort of come to terms that I might not be really Celtic genetically but I'm definitely not Germanic. I'm happy to label myself as a Gael but I think Celts weren't all one ethnicity which is obvious looking at the genetics.

[Davystayn]

Cornwall is a major holiday destination and a lot of people have moved to Cornwall from Midlands and East England in recent decades particularly.

Towns like Bodmin and Truro aren't very touristy so are more Cornish.

The genetics stats might not reflect phenotype you see on a daily basis - people who have their dna tested usually have to have both sets of grandparents from the same region. Already this would cut out a lot of the people you might around and about in the day.

Fishermen would likely be overwhelming Cornish I guess

[Davystayn]

Yes they were but the labelling appears hopelessly flawed as was done by the Romans. I do have an affinity to the Celts because of having Irish ancestry but looking at genetics I'm just a North western European so I prefer to label myself as a Gael. I'm really not sure now of how Celtic I am genetically. :) Why do I cluster with the English and Scandinavians? I've sort of come to terms that I might not be really Celtic genetically but I'm definitely not Germanic. I'm happy to label myself as a Gael but I think Celts weren't all one ethnicity which is obvious looking at the genetics.

Grace I agree these terms are outdated but I guess you are 'Germanic' in a sense too though in that you cluster with Norwegians etc well, isn't Norse/Norman/lowland Scots input to Ireland about 20% in any case? The regional differences in Ireland are fascinating too

[Grace O'Malley]

Grace I agree these terms are outdated but I guess you are 'Germanic' in a sense too though in that you cluster with Norwegians etc well, isn't Norse/Norman/lowland Scots input to Ireland about 20% in any case? The regional differences in Ireland are fascinating too

I don't feel any affinity to "Germanic" although I don't have any animosity to Germanic people. I don't understand the appeal of being Germanic per se. I think I do have some biases and prefer to be called Gaelic. I have a Norman married name and also Norman names in my family tree but feel very Irish/Gaelic but I cluster with North western Europeans. I don't understand this Germanic larping either. l think we are all Bell Beaker/Corded Ware and Celtic vs Germanic are more lingual. People can identify with being Anglo-Saxon if they wish but even the areas in Britain that have received the most Anglo-Saxon input are not majority. I don't begrudge people feeling an affinity with the Anglo-Saxons but this Celtic vs Germanic divide has to be explained genetically,. Just don't use this pseudo identity of being Germanic over the Bell Beaker genetics of the majority Isles people. All North western Eurpeans cluster together so we are all similar and there isn't a divide such as one population being Celtic and one being Germanic. It smacks of Victorian era pseudo nonsense with the wild, irritational and romantic Celt and the sensible and rational Anglo-Saxon. Genetics shows the Isles are all similar genetics and on a geographic cline. If there was anything very different populations would not cluster together.

[Davystayn]

Yes those terms dont really mean much the days and the genetics show using opposing terms is meaningless. I'm mixed bag Isles as a lot of people are and NW euros cluster together anyway