Russian Gedmatch Results

[itilvolga]

From Pridnestrovie (Transnistria)

Eurogenes K13

Population
Baltic 39.49 Pct
North_Atlantic 19.49 Pct
West_Asian 12.18 Pct
West_Med 12.12 Pct
East_Med 8.25 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 3.82 Pct
East_Asian 1.27 Pct
Oceanian 1.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.89 Pct
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Northeast_African 0.51 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldovian 8.3
2 Croatian 9.13
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.28
4 Ukrainian 10.21
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.69
6 Southwest_Russian 11.16
7 South_Polish 11.64
8 Polish 13.41
9 Russian_Smolensk 13.53
10 Hungarian 14.31
11 Estonian_Polish 14.33
12 Kargonol_Russian 14.39
13 Bulgarian 14.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.8% Ukrainian + 19.2% Kumyk
2 83.9% Ukrainian + 16.1% Iranian
3 85.3% Ukrainian + 14.7% Abkhasian
4 82.2% Ukrainian + 17.8% Adyghei
5 81.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 18.7% Turkish
6 86.1% Ukrainian + 13.9% Makrani
7 84.1% Ukrainian + 15.9% Kurdish
8 69.7% Lithuanian + 30.3% Turkish
9 73.5% Lithuanian + 26.5% Armenian
10 84.8% Ukrainian + 15.2% Georgian
11 79.4% Estonian_Polish + 20.6% Abkhasian
12 81.4% Ukrainian + 18.6% Kabardin
13 84.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 15.9% Armenian
14 83.3% Southwest_Russian + 16.7% Armenian
15 82.1% Ukrainian + 17.9% Balkar
16 78.7% Estonian_Polish + 21.3% Armenian
17 82.8% Ukrainian + 17.2% North_Ossetian
18 79.8% Russian_Smolensk + 20.2% Armenian
19 73.8% Estonian_Polish + 26.2% Kumyk
20 83% Ukrainian + 17% Azeri

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian + 50% Eryza @ 6.607567

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian + 25% Turkish + 25% Ukrainian @ 5.515123

K12b

Population
Western European 16.57 Pct
Siberian 0.71 Pct
East_African 0.19 Pct
West Central Asian 3.57 Pct
South Asian 2.61 Pct
West African -
Caucasus 13.37 Pct
Finnish 7.22 Pct
Mediterranean 13.82 Pct
Southwest Asian 0.89 Pct
North European 39.27 Pct
East Asian 1.77 Pct

[Ion Basescul]

From Pridnestrovie (Transnistria)

Eurogenes K13

Population
Baltic 39.49 Pct
North_Atlantic 19.49 Pct
West_Asian 12.18 Pct
West_Med 12.12 Pct
East_Med 8.25 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 3.82 Pct
East_Asian 1.27 Pct
Oceanian 1.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.89 Pct
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Northeast_African 0.51 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldovian 8.3
2 Croatian 9.13
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.28
4 Ukrainian 10.21
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.69
6 Southwest_Russian 11.16
7 South_Polish 11.64
8 Polish 13.41
9 Russian_Smolensk 13.53
10 Hungarian 14.31
11 Estonian_Polish 14.33
12 Kargonol_Russian 14.39
13 Bulgarian 14.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.8% Ukrainian + 19.2% Kumyk
2 83.9% Ukrainian + 16.1% Iranian
3 85.3% Ukrainian + 14.7% Abkhasian
4 82.2% Ukrainian + 17.8% Adyghei
5 81.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 18.7% Turkish
6 86.1% Ukrainian + 13.9% Makrani
7 84.1% Ukrainian + 15.9% Kurdish
8 69.7% Lithuanian + 30.3% Turkish
9 73.5% Lithuanian + 26.5% Armenian
10 84.8% Ukrainian + 15.2% Georgian
11 79.4% Estonian_Polish + 20.6% Abkhasian
12 81.4% Ukrainian + 18.6% Kabardin
13 84.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 15.9% Armenian
14 83.3% Southwest_Russian + 16.7% Armenian
15 82.1% Ukrainian + 17.9% Balkar
16 78.7% Estonian_Polish + 21.3% Armenian
17 82.8% Ukrainian + 17.2% North_Ossetian
18 79.8% Russian_Smolensk + 20.2% Armenian
19 73.8% Estonian_Polish + 26.2% Kumyk
20 83% Ukrainian + 17% Azeri

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian + 50% Eryza @ 6.607567

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian + 25% Turkish + 25% Ukrainian @ 5.515123

K12b

Population
Western European 16.57 Pct
Siberian 0.71 Pct
East_African 0.19 Pct
West Central Asian 3.57 Pct
South Asian 2.61 Pct
West African -
Caucasus 13.37 Pct
Finnish 7.22 Pct
Mediterranean 13.82 Pct
Southwest Asian 0.89 Pct
North European 39.27 Pct
East Asian 1.77 Pct

"Russian"
More like a mixed local family with Russian citizenship

[Cumansky]

"Russian"
More like a mixed local family with Russian citizenship

They can have Oghuz ancestry especially in your region

[Ion Basescul]

They can have Oghuz ancestry especially in your region

There is noticeable Turkic legacy in surnames for those with sharp eyes to notice them, but the genetic imprint is faint. Most people from here score some East Asian/Siberian, which is more likely linked to the Kipchak branch people who settled here historically, like the Cumans and Tatars rather than the Oghuz.
The only Oghuz people who came here are the Gagauz and they are fairly recent arrivals from Northeastern Bulgaria. Genetically they don't have any real Oghuz ancestry. They just sit on the East Balkan gradient between Romanians and Bulgarians.

[Cumansky]

There is noticeable Turkic legacy in surnames for those with sharp eyes to notice them, but the genetic imprint is faint. Most people from here score some East Asian/Siberian, which is more likely linked to the Kipchak branch people who settled here historically, like the Cumans and Tatars rather than the Oghuz.
The only Oghuz people who came here are the Gagauz and they are fairly recent arrivals from Northeastern Bulgaria. Genetically they don't have any real Oghuz ancestry. They just sit on the East Balkan gradient between Romanians and Bulgarians.

You are teaching me the history? Why?

[Ion Basescul]

You are teaching me the history? Why?

This is a post on a public forum and not a private message. Maybe not everyone is as well read as you, so they will learn something new.

[Leto]

"Russian"
More like a mixed local family with Russian citizenship
This.
Even may have distant Romani ancestry. Basically that person is more Moldovan than anything else.

@itilvolga, change the title to 'Transnistrian', would be more accurate. It's not even part of Russia.

[Jana]

I ran this kit trough Vahaduo out of curiosity. Obviously ethnically mixed, hence large distance in single population sharing:

Distance to: Transnitria

9.40076061 Moldavian
10.11714881 Romanian_Botosani
10.40743965 Croatian
10.65069481 Ukrainian_Lviv
11.08191770 Bosniak_Tuzla
11.26391584 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
11.71767042 Ukrainian
12.11113950 Ukrainian_Belgorod
12.17850566 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
12.24091810 Bosnian

Modeling

Target: Transnitria
Distance: 1.4523% / 1.45228263

41.2 Latvian
33.6 Bulgarian_Ruse
10.4 Serb_North-Macedonia
4.2 Abhkasian
3.4 Erzya
3.0 Kalash
1.8 Kanjar
1.0 Austroasiatic_Ho
0.8 Malay
0.2 Karitiana
0.2 North_Kannadi
0.2 Papuan

Target: Transnitria
Distance: 2.4504% / 2.45035471 | ADC: 0.25x

41.4 Bulgarian_Ruse
38.2 Ukrainian_Belgorod
16.6 Erzya
3.0 Bangladeshi
0.8 Kanjar

[Aspirin]

High South Asian, this is not the first person with such ancestry who have such high amount of South Asian.

[Ion Basescul]

This.
Even may have distant Romani ancestry. Basically that person is more Moldovan than anything else.

@itilvolga, change the title to 'Transnistrian', would be more accurate. It's not even part of Russia.

I said locally mixed, because those results look suspiciously close to someone who is half Romanian/Moldovan and half Ukrainian, perhaps with some Roma mixed in too.
My mom who is a halfie scores similarly, with slightly elevated Med and lower Baltic, because her Romanian/Moldovan side is from the Southern-most district in the country.


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.3
2 North_Atlantic 19.44
3 West_Med 15.6
4 East_Med 13.19
5 West_Asian 10.04
6 East_Asian 1.49
7 South_Asian 0.95
8 Oceanian 0.82
9 Red_Sea 0.47
10 Amerindian 0.41
11 Siberian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.25
2 Croatian 7.99
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.42
4 Serbian 11.5
5 Ukrainian 12.18
6 Romanian 13.11
7 Hungarian 13.15
8 South_Polish 13.26
9 Bulgarian 13.68
10 Southwest_Russian 14.19
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.26
12 Polish 15.81
13 Russian_Smolensk 16.57
14 Estonian_Polish 17.02
15 Austrian 17.59
16 East_German 17.62
17 Belorussian 17.97
18 Kargopol_Russian 18.35
19 Erzya 18.65
20 Tatar 20.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Ukrainian + 21.1% Cyprian @ 4.64
2 61.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 38.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.88
3 58.5% Bulgarian + 41.5% Erzya @ 4.88
4 51.2% Bulgarian + 48.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.94
5 81.4% Ukrainian + 18.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.99
6 68% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32% Central_Greek @ 5.04
7 51.1% Bulgarian + 48.9% Southwest_Russian @ 5.06
8 68.2% Southwest_Russian + 31.8% Central_Greek @ 5.12
9 81.1% Ukrainian + 18.9% Samaritan @ 5.13
10 61.9% Southwest_Russian + 38.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.13
11 80.8% Ukrainian + 19.2% Assyrian @ 5.14
12 73.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.18
13 71.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 28.7% South_Italian @ 5.21
14 69.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 30.9% East_Sicilian @ 5.25
15 66.6% Lithuanian + 33.4% Cyprian @ 5.29
16 79.9% Ukrainian + 20.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 5.29
17 81.5% Ukrainian + 18.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.31
18 62.6% Bulgarian + 37.4% Lithuanian @ 5.31
19 76.1% Southwest_Russian + 23.9% Cyprian @ 5.33
20 80.8% Ukrainian + 19.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.35

[Leto]

I said locally mixed, because those results look suspiciously close to someone who is half Romanian/Moldovan and half Ukrainian, perhaps with some Roma mixed in too.
My mom who is a halfie scores similarly, with slightly elevated Med and lower Baltic, because her Romanian/Moldovan side is from the Southern-most district in the country.

Yes, regionally mixed. They are essentially Transnistrian, that breakaway republic is basically 1/3 Moldovan and 2/3 Russian-Ukrainian with bits of other influences.

What are your thoughts on the Baltic average in Moldova? Is it possible to score less than 30% being a Moldovan?

[Aspirin]

What are your thoughts on the Baltic average in Moldova? Is it possible to score less than 30% being a Moldovan?

Between 25 and 30 is the average. From the results what I saw till now, the lowest Baltic score have the WeirdLookingFellow, but he is from Romania Moldova.

[Ion Basescul]

Yes, regionally mixed. They are essentially Transnistrian, that breakaway republic is basically 1/3 Moldovan and 2/3 Russian-Ukrainian with bits of other influences.

What are your thoughts on the Baltic average in Moldova? Is it possible to score less than 30% being a Moldovan?

I score less than 30%, so yeah, I believe it is.


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.33
2 North_Atlantic 25.27
3 West_Med 15.21
4 East_Med 13.04
5 West_Asian 9.95
6 Siberian 2.85
7 East_Asian 1.83
8 Red_Sea 1.42
9 South_Asian 0.7
10 Oceanian 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.31
2 Moldavian 5.04
3 Romanian 7.02
4 Croatian 7.86
5 Hungarian 8.13
6 Bulgarian 9.24
7 Austrian 11.88
8 East_German 13.07
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.8
10 South_Polish 14.54
11 Ukrainian 15.09
12 West_German 17.6
13 Greek_Thessaly 17.77
14 Polish 18.25
15 Southwest_Russian 18.34
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.59
17 South_Dutch 19.05
18 Tatar 19.21
19 French 19.66
20 North_Italian 20.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Serbian + 16.9% Tatar @ 1.87
2 88% Serbian + 12% Chuvash @ 1.97
3 90.1% Serbian + 9.9% Mari @ 2.25
4 79.3% Romanian + 20.7% East_Finnish @ 2.33
5 76.6% Romanian + 23.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.48
6 78.8% Romanian + 21.2% Finnish @ 2.58
7 55.7% Serbian + 44.3% Moldavian @ 2.65
8 87.2% Serbian + 12.8% Erzya @ 2.66
9 61.2% Ukrainian + 38.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.71
10 73.3% Bulgarian + 26.7% Finnish @ 2.73
11 60.5% Moldavian + 39.5% Romanian @ 2.77
12 86.8% Serbian + 13.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.82
13 83.8% Moldavian + 16.2% Tuscan @ 2.83
14 67.8% Romanian + 32.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.83
15 84.9% Moldavian + 15.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.86
16 69.8% Romanian + 30.2% Ukrainian @ 2.86
17 79.4% Romanian + 20.6% Estonian @ 2.88
18 74.2% Bulgarian + 25.8% East_Finnish @ 2.91
19 71.7% Bulgarian + 28.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.91
20 51.7% Tuscan + 48.3% Erzya @ 2.93


I don't have any kits from R. Moldova, but Moldovans from Romania usually mirror the situation on the other side of the river and the average there is 29.8%. 4 of these samples are from Northern Moldova/Bukovina (Suceava and Botosani) with 2 from Central (Vaslui and Neamt), so theoretically the average should be lower with Southern samples taken into consideration too.
The average of Moldovan from the K13 spreadsheet on Eurogenes seems to be 33%, but the creator of the calculator confirmed for me that those samples are mixed with Ukrainians and Russians.

https://i.imgur.com/fKSyPUZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/4NsGpUp.png


Baltic 33.35 Pct
Baltic 32.71 Pct
Baltic 31.61 Pct
Baltic 28.61 Pct
Baltic 26.95 Pct
Baltic 25.58 Pct

[Aspirin]

I score less than 30%, so yeah, I believe it is.

Do you have the results of your father too?

[Ion Basescul]

Do you have the results of your father too?

Yes, he scores over the average, but their data is based on the current generation of tests, which have a lower resolution, so it's not as accurate as mine or Nurzat's, as ours is based on a lot more SNPs. You should read this thread (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?317309-Eurogenes-K13-SNP-Count), where I addressed this issue.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.44
2 North_Atlantic 24.14
3 West_Med 14.55
4 East_Med 12.15
5 West_Asian 11.75
6 South_Asian 1.62
7 Siberian 1.54
8 Amerindian 0.96
9 Sub-Saharan 0.51
10 Northeast_African 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.13
2 Croatian 6.16
3 Serbian 7.14
4 Hungarian 8.57
5 Romanian 9.29
6 Bulgarian 11.06
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.72
8 South_Polish 12.72
9 Austrian 12.89
10 Ukrainian 12.95
11 East_German 13.48
12 Southwest_Russian 15.83
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.86
14 Polish 16.18
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.94
16 Estonian_Polish 18.6
17 Tatar 18.89
18 Belorussian 19.3
19 Kargopol_Russian 19.5
20 West_German 19.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.8% Moldavian + 4.2% Abhkasian @ 2.24
2 95.3% Moldavian + 4.7% Kurdish @ 2.25
3 95.6% Moldavian + 4.4% Georgian @ 2.26
4 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% Lezgin @ 2.27
5 94.3% Moldavian + 5.7% Kumyk @ 2.27
6 95.5% Moldavian + 4.5% Armenian @ 2.27
7 94.8% Moldavian + 5.2% Adygei @ 2.28
8 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% Tabassaran @ 2.3
9 94.9% Moldavian + 5.1% Azeri @ 2.31
10 95.1% Moldavian + 4.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.33
11 94.9% Moldavian + 5.1% Balkar @ 2.34
12 95.5% Moldavian + 4.5% Iranian @ 2.34
13 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Chechen @ 2.35
14 95.3% Moldavian + 4.7% Ossetian @ 2.35
15 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Turkish @ 2.36
16 95.7% Moldavian + 4.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.37
17 95.7% Moldavian + 4.3% Assyrian @ 2.38
18 94.8% Moldavian + 5.2% Kabardin @ 2.38
19 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Armenian @ 2.39
20 95% Moldavian + 5% Turkmen @ 2.4

[Leto]

I score less than 30%, so yeah, I believe it is.


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.33
2 North_Atlantic 25.27
3 West_Med 15.21
4 East_Med 13.04
5 West_Asian 9.95
6 Siberian 2.85
7 East_Asian 1.83
8 Red_Sea 1.42
9 South_Asian 0.7
10 Oceanian 0.4

There is no way those are your results. I remember clearly yours and your parents', all three kits were over 30% Baltic. What the freak?

[Ion Basescul]

There is no way those are your results. I remember clearly yours and your parents', all three kits were over 30% Baltic. What the freak?

You probably rounded it up in your head :lol:. Do you remember them from this thread (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?317309-Eurogenes-K13-SNP-Count)?

[Leto]

You probably rounded it up in your head :lol:. Do you remember them from this thread (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?317309-Eurogenes-K13-SNP-Count)?
My bad. I think some of your Baltic was sucked into the North Atlantic because your parents are both well over 30%.

[Ion Basescul]

My bad. I think some of your Baltic was sucked into the North Atlantic because your parents are both well over 30%.

Yes, but the other way around, they should have more Atlantic, as my autosomal data uses twice the amount of SNPs. If I were to take a MyHeritage test too, then I'd probably score in between them, so perhaps about 34% Baltic. But there's no point in doing that, as 23andme's v4 had a better SNP coverage, so it's closer to truth. I've tested my sibling with MyHeritage last week, so I expect that this is exactly what he's going to get on K13. I haven't sent the sample back though, because of the virus situation, but we should have the results in about one month, if everything goes fine.

[Aspirin]

Yes, but the other way around, they should have more Atlantic, as my autosomal data uses twice the amount of SNPs. If I were to take a MyHeritage test too, then I'd probably score in between them, so perhaps about 34% Baltic. But there's no point in doing that, as 23andme's v4 had a better SNP coverage, so it's closer to truth. I've tested my sibling with MyHeritage last week, so I expect that this is exactly what he's going to get on K13. I haven't sent the sample back though, because of the virus situation, but we should have the results in about one month, if everything goes fine.

Do you recomand 23andme or Myheritage to make a test?

[Ion Basescul]

Do you recomand 23andme or Myheritage to make a test?

If this is the first test for your family then 23andme, because you will also get your yDNA and mtDNA assignments. MyHeritage has a slightly better resolution for autosomal DNA than 23andme v5, but at the end of the day they are not that different here. Once you have yDNA and mtDNA, you can upload your 23andme data to MyHeritage and test the rest of your family with MyHeritage, as it's cheaper, faster and has a larger database of DNA matches.

[Aspirin]

If this is the first test for your family then 23andme, because you will also get your yDNA and mtDNA assignments. MyHeritage has a slightly better resolution for autosomal DNA than 23andme v5, but at the end of the day they are not that different here. Once you have yDNA and mtDNA, you can upload your 23andme data to MyHeritage and test the rest of your family with MyHeritage, as it's cheaper, faster and has a larger database of DNA matches.

Thanks.

[Cumansky]

This is a post on a public forum and not a private message. Maybe not everyone is as well read as you, so they will learn something new.

When did Roma arrive to Wallachia? Was multiple waves migration?

[itilvolga]

@itilvolga, change the title to 'Transnistrian', would be more accurate. It's not even part of Russia.

I know the owner of these results. He is Russian and I am sure his genetic results will not change it..

[itilvolga]

High South Asian, this is not the first person with such ancestry who have such high amount of South Asian.

His home province is Bender. Do gypsies live there?

[Aspirin]

His home province is Bender. Do gypsies live there?

Gypsies live everywhere, most of them are concentrated in some specific regions of the country. About Transnistria, including Bender, I don't know, I was only two times in my life in that region. The problem is what people who score such high South Asian are Russian/Ukrainian admixed for some reason because score very high Baltic, for Russians is a norm to score high South Asian, but for Northern Russians, not southerners.

[Nurzat]

His home province is Bender. Do gypsies live there?

I don't think he has Gypsy ancestry - by the high score of Caucasus he may be of southern Russian origin and via Caucasus he could get some background South Asian that's ancestral to the population, not recent mix, dunno. anyway, his family may be mixed with local Moldovans, though they probably stayed ethnically Russian with language and all.

still getting very high distance, it's obvious he's mixed, I could lower the distance with such a model (and maybe the Gujarati are not the best proxy for his Asian mix):


Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 4.4958% / 4.49577291
76.2 Southwest_Russian
12.6 Gypsy
9.0 Abhkasian
2.2 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 4.4000% / 4.40001095
60.2 Southwest_Russian
27.0 Moldavian
8.4 Abhkasian
4.4 Gujarati

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 4.7762% / 4.77623116
73.8 Southwest_Russian
12.2 Romanian
9.2 Abhkasian
4.8 Gujarati

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 5.1327% / 5.13266411
61.2 Southwest_Russian
26.8 Moldavian
9.4 Abhkasian
2.6 Turkmen

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 5.7090% / 5.70899217
59.0 Southwest_Russian
23.8 Moldavian
17.2 Gypsy

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 5.8915% / 5.89153498
69.4 Southwest_Russian
19.4 Gypsy
11.2 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova

[itilvolga]

I don't think he has Gypsy ancestry - by the high score of Caucasus he may be of southern Russian origin and via Caucasus he could get some background South Asian that's ancestral to the population, not recent mix, dunno. anyway, his family may be mixed with local Moldovans, though they probably stayed ethnically Russian with language and all.

still getting very high distance, it's obvious he's mixed, I could lower the distance with such a model (and maybe the Gujarati are not the best proxy for his Asian mix):


Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 4.4958% / 4.49577291
76.2 Southwest_Russian
12.6 Gypsy
9.0 Abhkasian
2.2 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 4.4000% / 4.40001095
60.2 Southwest_Russian
27.0 Moldavian
8.4 Abhkasian
4.4 Gujarati

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 4.7762% / 4.77623116
73.8 Southwest_Russian
12.2 Romanian
9.2 Abhkasian
4.8 Gujarati

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 5.1327% / 5.13266411
61.2 Southwest_Russian
26.8 Moldavian
9.4 Abhkasian
2.6 Turkmen

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 5.7090% / 5.70899217
59.0 Southwest_Russian
23.8 Moldavian
17.2 Gypsy

Target: Transnistria_guy
Distance: 5.8915% / 5.89153498
69.4 Southwest_Russian
19.4 Gypsy
11.2 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova

Thanks for your time

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Guy looks mixed with some possible Tajik/Azeri immigrant based on his high West Asian and South Asian. But it may also be Romani as they have these two main components, I honestly don't think there's any way of truly knowing.

Also Aspirin said well that I have some lower Baltic but higher NA, I'm very curious to take a 23andme as well to see if there is any re-arrangement of these components.

[Nurzat]

Guy looks mixed with some possible Tajik/Azeri immigrant based on his high West Asian and South Asian. But it may also be Romani as they have these two main components, I honestly don't think there's any way of truly knowing.

Also Aspirin said well that I have some lower Baltic but higher NA, I'm very curious to take a 23andme as well to see if there is any re-arrangement of these components.

you should model yourself on Global25 with Moldavian - from what I've seen until now, Moldovans in Romania are closest to that. Romanian in G25 is based on Apuseni I think, from what Vania Basascu said.

try:
Moldavian + Hungarian
Moldavian + Ukrainian
Moldavian + Hungarian + Ukrainian
Moldavian + Slovak
Moldavian + Hungarian + Slovak


why? because in your county there is a native Hungarian-speaking population and the Ukrainians in the region are a bit western-shifted (towards Slovaks, though not there). in medieval times at some point there was a population move from Pokuttia to central Moldova (Roman-Bacau area), many "Polish" villages created but they were "Russian" most certainly (i.e. today's West Ukrainians in Galicia). so you could dig for deep "Hungarian" and "Ukrainian" genes (see the quotation marks)

[Aspirin]

Also Aspirin said well that I have some lower Baltic but higher NA, I'm very curious to take a 23andme as well to see if there is any re-arrangement of these components.

I forgot about Seya, I think she will have more lower Baltic. I can't find her results.

[Aspirin]

Double post.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

you should model yourself on Global25 with Moldavian - from what I've seen until now, Moldovans in Romania are closest to that. Romanian in G25 is based on Apuseni I think, from what Vania Basascu said.

try:
Moldavian + Hungarian
Moldavian + Ukrainian
Moldavian + Hungarian + Ukrainian
Moldavian + Slovak
Moldavian + Hungarian + Slovak


why? because in your county there is a native Hungarian-speaking population and the Ukrainians in the region are a bit western-shifted (towards Slovaks, though not there). in medieval times at some point there was a population move from Pokuttia to central Moldova (Roman-Bacau area), many "Polish" villages created but they were "Russian" most certainly (i.e. today's West Ukrainians in Galicia). so you could dig for deep "Hungarian" and "Ukrainian" genes (see the quotation marks)

My best g25 models need German, I tried this once. Started with Hungarian and went further West; the more I did, the better the fit got :picard1:

[Ion Basescul]

When did Roma arrive to Wallachia? Was multiple waves migration?

They came with the Mongols and were later bought from Ottomans if I'm not mistaken.

[Ion Basescul]

you should model yourself on Global25 with Moldavian - from what I've seen until now, Moldovans in Romania are closest to that. Romanian in G25 is based on Apuseni I think, from what Vania Basascu said.

try:
Moldavian + Hungarian
Moldavian + Ukrainian
Moldavian + Hungarian + Ukrainian
Moldavian + Slovak
Moldavian + Hungarian + Slovak


why? because in your county there is a native Hungarian-speaking population and the Ukrainians in the region are a bit western-shifted (towards Slovaks, though not there). in medieval times at some point there was a population move from Pokuttia to central Moldova (Roman-Bacau area), many "Polish" villages created but they were "Russian" most certainly (i.e. today's West Ukrainians in Galicia). so you could dig for deep "Hungarian" and "Ukrainian" genes (see the quotation marks)

Those who start with letter A are from Horea village in Alba county, Apuseni mountains. That's just next to Cluj.

A306 A306 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Apuseni mountains, Horea village Romania 46.502222 22.950277 HumanOrigins .. 586701 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3278 A325 A325 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Apuseni mountains, Horea village Romania 46.502222 22.950277 HumanOrigins .. 584639 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3279 A343 A343 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Apuseni mountains, Horea village Romania 46.502222 22.950277 HumanOrigins .. 586532 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3280 A362 A362 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Apuseni mountains, Horea village Romania 46.502222 22.950277 HumanOrigins .. 586637 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3281 A374 A374 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Apuseni mountains, Horea village Romania 46.502222 22.950277 HumanOrigins .. 586351 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3282

Those with letter G, come from Tismana village in Gorj county.

G408 G408 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Gorj county, Tismana village Romania 45.050555 22.948888 HumanOrigins .. 586381 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3294 G421 G421 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Gorj county, Tismana village Romania 45.050555 22.948888 HumanOrigins .. 586607 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3295 G428 G428 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Gorj county, Tismana village Romania 45.050555 22.948888 HumanOrigins .. 586010 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3296 G429 G429 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Gorj county, Tismana village Romania 45.050555 22.948888 HumanOrigins .. 585524 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3297 G434 G434 LazaridisNature2016 Martin Richards / Gheorghe Stefanescu / Luminita Bejenaru .. .. Romanian Gorj county, Tismana village Romania 45.050555 22.948888 HumanOrigins .. 586406 F .. PASS (genotyping)
3736

For R. Moldova, the samples were collected from Caplani in Stefan Voda district.

497 MOL-005 MOL-005 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 579938 M .. PASS (genotyping)
498 MOL-008 MOL-008 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 584484 M .. PASS (genotyping)
499 MOL-015 MOL-015 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 581282 M .. PASS (genotyping)
500 MOL-024 MOL-024 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 584683 M .. PASS (genotyping)
501 MOL-058 MOL-058 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 585040 M .. PASS (genotyping)
502 MOL-064 MOL-064 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 584169 F .. PASS (genotyping)
503 MOL-065 MOL-065 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 584731 F .. PASS (genotyping)
504 MOL-066 MOL-066 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 584693 F .. PASS (genotyping)
505 MOL-067 MOL-067 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 583818 F .. PASS (genotyping)
506 MOL-069 MOL-069 JeongNatureEcologyEvolution2019 Oleg Balanovsky / Elena Balanovska / Nadezda Dubova .. .. Moldavian Shtefan-Vodsky district, Kaplani Moldova 46.38 29.87 HumanOrigins .. 579881 M .. PASS (genotyping)


https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/downloadable-genotypes-worlds-published-ancient-dna-data

[Ion Basescul]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318490-Moldovan-Romanian-GEDmatch-Resuts