Classify this super tall Serb basketball. 6 ft 8.75

[zeta]

Classification for him?

http://www.smedia.rs/sport/slike/news_1925.jpg
http://www.dodirnime.com/sport/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/velickovic-214058120100504162214.jpg
http://hosting.live-e.tv/content/sportnetwork/splash/24_02_izjava_novica_velickovic.jpg
http://www.najvesti.com/files/images/artikli/75/slika-04-08-17-03-41_news_50327.jpg
http://mas.levante-emv.com/canales/baloncesto/images/stories/Euroliga/2009/novica-velickovic.jpg
http://www.fiba.com/images/web/Events/10/FWCM/headshots/SER/_215/14.jpg

[leisitox]

pontid+dinaric

[Eldritch]

If the Albanians feel that their own ranks need yet further thinning on the forum, then by all means, go ahead and troll Zeta and her threads.

[zeta]

pontid+dinaric

He sort of has a Czech look, but there are many Serbs that resemble him. Thank you for classification. :)

[Monolith]

He sort of has a Czech look, but there are many Serbs that resemble him. Thank you for classification. :)
Yes, especially on this one:
http://hosting.live-e.tv/content/sportnetwork/splash/24_02_izjava_novica_velickovic.jpg

[zeta]

Yes, especially on this one:
http://hosting.live-e.tv/content/sportnetwork/splash/24_02_izjava_novica_velickovic.jpg

I think he has a pan Slavic look, no ?

[Hess]

seeing as Serbians differ quite a bit by region, I think his phenotype would be more common in some parts of Serbia than in others.


I think he has a pan Slavic look, no ?

he does, to a degree. Although he would probably be a bit out of place in Bulgaria.

[Sikeliot]

He doesn't look like any Bulgarians I've seen, but he could be pan-Slavic otherwise.. not really Russian though I want to say.

[zeta]

seeing as Serbians differ quite a bit by region, I think his phenotype would be more common in some parts of Serbia than in others.



he does, to a degree. Although he would probably be a bit out of place in Bulgaria.

Really ? How so ? :icon_ask:

[Sikeliot]

Really ? How so ? :icon_ask:

I don't like to start arguments about how dark or light an ethnicity is, but Bulgarians strike me as the odd ones out as far as the Slavs go.. they seem similar to Greeks a lot of the time.

[zeta]

He doesn't look like any Bulgarians I've seen, but he could be pan-Slavic otherwise.. not really Russian though I want to say.

Why can't he pass as Russian ? What do Russians look like ?

More picture of him :
http://www.tvarenasport.com/files/NOVINARI/Novica_Velickovic_519500653.jpg
http://hosting.live-e.tv/content/sportnetwork/splash/07_07_kosarka_velickovic.jpg
http://www.smedia.rs/sport/slike/news_50151.jpg
http://www.ideal.es/RC/200906/24/Media/Velickovic2--253x190.jpg

[Hess]

Why can't he pass as Russian ?

"pass" can be misleading word. If he spoke fluent Russian and dressed/acted like a Russian and swore to me he was fully Russian, I would believe him. That said, his overall look Is not representative of the typical Russian in my opinion.

[zeta]

"pass" can be misleading word. If he spoke fluent Russian and dressed/acted like a Russian and swore to me he was fully Russian, I would believe him. That said, his overall look Is not representative of the typical Russian in my opinion.

I concur. ''Pass as'' meaning he or she wouldn't look foreign in a country, but country like Russia is very big country with quite diverse phenotype. I bet he looks less foreign than the people who's from Caucasus in Russia.

[zeta]

I don't like to start arguments about how dark or light an ethnicity is, but Bulgarians strike me as the odd ones out as far as the Slavs go.. they seem similar to Greeks a lot of the time.

Even though Serbia and Bulgaria are neighbors, They don't look alike at all. Serbs, croats, Bosnians all look the same to me. I dont think Bulgarians look similiar to Greek, they look similiar to Romanians and some Ukrainians.

[Hess]

I bet he looks less foreign than the people who's from Caucasus in Russia.

Absolutely. People from the Caucasus aren't even Europeans :lol:

[GeistFaust]

Norid/Dinaricized North Pontid + Cro Magnon influences he posesses a pan Slavic look but he could fit into the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Poland.

[Dario Argento]

Absolutely. People from the Caucasus aren't even Europeans :lol:

A lot of Caucasians look more European than some Europeans to me. Especially Sicilians and Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

A lot of Caucasians look more European than some Europeans to me. Especially Sicilians and Greeks.

Sicilians and Greeks look European. It just happens some non-European Caucasoids resemble them.

[zeta]

Absolutely. People from the Caucasus aren't even Europeans :lol:

Culturally, no, but there are Caucasus people who could pass as European and vice versa, although it's probably minority. One question, why he would probably be a bit out of place in Bulgaria ?

[Dario Argento]

Sicilians and Greeks look European. It just happens some non-European Caucasoids resemble them.

So do a lot of Caucasians.

For me this looks 10 times more European:
http://media.stratfor.com/files/mmf/d/7/d759c1d5fd320898b84e05c2088deb04275fdad8_two_colum n.jpg

Than this:
http://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/anglu1.jpg

It would be pointless to deny it. The Chechen would be considered white in USA whereas that Sicilian would be deported back to Mexico.

[Hess]

A lot of Caucasians look more European than some Europeans to me. Especially Sicilians and Greeks.

I agree. I meant that he, as a Serb, is culturally much closer to Russia than the Kavkaz gang is.

It doesn't matter how "European" a Georgian or a Chechen looks. You can always tell them apart by the way they walk, talk, dress, think,etc.

they are culturally foreign in any European country.

[Sikeliot]

What does the second man look if not European? And where is he from?

I think the second man there looks perfectly European, he could even be British.

He doesn't look Mexican at all.

[Dario Argento]

What does the second man look if not European? And where is he from?

I think the second man there looks perfectly European, he could even be British.

He doesn't look Mexican at all.

I think you have a very bad idea of how British people looks like. That man is Sicilian and can pass for Lebanese, Syrian, even Iraqi. Are you serious?

[zeta]

Please dont turning this thread into '' Caucasus people look more European than Greeks and Sicilians''. :lol:

[Hess]

Culturally, no, but there are Caucasus people who could pass as European and vice versa, although it's probably minority. One question, why he would probably be a bit out of place in Bulgaria ?

he doesn't have the Meditteranean features that a lot of Bulgarians seem to have. If he got a tan or maybe dyed his hair black, he would probably have more luck passing as a Bulgarian.

[Sikeliot]

I think you have a very bad idea of how British people looks like. That man is Sicilian and can pass for Lebanese, Syrian, even Iraqi. Are you serious?

That man does look British to me. But I get your point. I'm just being nitpicky.

You'd have been better off with an example more like this. ;)

http://www.siciliani.com/upload/3.jpg

[Ibericus]

So do a lot of Caucasians.

For me this looks 10 times more European:
http://media.stratfor.com/files/mmf/d/7/d759c1d5fd320898b84e05c2088deb04275fdad8_two_colum n.jpg

Than this:
http://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/anglu1.jpg

It would be pointless to deny it. The Chechen would be considered white in USA whereas that Sicilian would be deported back to Mexico.
Looks russian admixed, not pure Caucasus.

[Lithium]

Culturally, no, but there are Caucasus people who could pass as European and vice versa, although it's probably minority. One question, why he would probably be a bit out of place in Bulgaria ?
He wouldn't look as a foreigner in Bulgaria.

[Hess]

Looks russian admixed, not pure Caucasus.

I doubt it. Red hair is pretty uncommon among russians, and the Russians that do have it oftentimes have some Baltic blood.

[zeta]

he doesn't have the Meditteranean features that a lot of Bulgarians seem to have. If he got a tan or maybe dyed his hair black, he would probably have more luck passing as a Bulgarian.

Probably not. ;)

[zeta]

He wouldn't look as a foreigner in Bulgaria.

How common would you say his look among Bulgarians ? :hrm00000:

[Ibericus]

I doubt it. Red hair is pretty uncommon among russians, and the Russians that do have it oftentimes have some Baltic blood.
Come on, red-hair is far more common in Russia than Caucasus.

[zeta]

I doubt it. Red hair is pretty uncommon among russians, and the Russians that do have it oftentimes have some Baltic blood.

Or maybe Celtic. :dunno::D

[Lithium]

How common would you say his look among Bulgarians ? :hrm00000:

He would look as an average Bulgarian guy... not so common or uncommon

[zeta]

Looks russian admixed, not pure Caucasus.

Or probably due to Kurgan culture. :icon_smile:

[Hess]

Come on, red-hair is far more common in Russia than Caucasus.

A lot of Russians are Blonde (sometimes even platinum Blonde), but Red hair is extremely rare for Russia. On average, i would say that there are more Chechens with Red hair than Russians.

[Dario Argento]

Looks russian admixed, not pure Caucasus.

You have blue eyes no? Then you look Germanic admixed, not pure Iberian. Iberians have dark eyes.

Not that I believe that bullshit but that's the same logic you're using. Ramzan Kadyrov doesn't look slavic at all, much less of the kind of East Slavs that Russians generally are.

[Ibericus]

You have blue eyes no? Then you look Germanic admixed, not pure Iberian. Iberians have dark eyes.

Not that I believe that bullshit but that's the same logic you're using.
Dude, have you seen real caucasus people ? And have you seen russian people?
You know exactly when there is russian admixutre. Plus, you forget that in 1940 the Russian population in Chechnya represented 30%

[Dario Argento]

Dude, have you seen real caucasus people ? And have you seen russian people?
You know exactly when there is russian admixutre. Plus, you forget that in 1940 the Russian population in Chechnya represented 30%

I have seen Caucasus people. I've spent my time studying them and their languages as well. I can even distinguish from different types of Kavkazians. I doubt you can.

If his Russian admixture was significant (50%) he'd look very Slavic. He doesn't. So if his Russian admixture is 5% then it wouldn't be enough to make him blonde if that was the reason. The only explanation is that he's a native Kavkazian. Russians and Kavkazians don't go around mixing. Most of these 30% of Russians left. There are very few remaining Russians in Chechnya right now.

[zeta]

I think you guy should make a thread and discuss about the people from Caucasus often got their fair feature from Russian admixture. :sad:

[Dario Argento]

Or probably due to Kurgan culture. :icon_smile:

This is more likely IMO.

[Ibericus]

I have seen Caucasus people. I've spent my time studying them and their languages as well. I can even distinguish from different types of Kavkazians. I doubt you can.

If his Russian admixture was significant (50%) he'd look very Slavic. He doesn't. So if his Russian admixture is 5% then it wouldn't be enough to make him blonde if that was the reason. The only explanation is that he's a native Kavkazian. Russians and Kavkazians don't go around mixing. Most of these 30% of Russians left. There are very few remaining Russians in Chechnya right now.
So you're telling me that 30% of Russians has had no effect on the pigmentation and admixture of certain chechens. Right. We know how pure caucasus people look, anyone can check that.

[Hess]

I think you guy should make a thread and discuss about the people from Caucasus often got their fair feature from Russian admixture. :sad:

You should get used to your threads being Hijacked, it's a common occurence on this forum :coffee:

[Moonbird]

Norid/Dinaricized North Pontid + Cro Magnon influences he posesses a pan Slavic look but he could fit into the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Poland.

I think there's something Baltid about him too.

[zeta]

I think there's something Baltid about him too.

Where ?

[GeistFaust]

I don't see anything Baltid about him he does have some Cro Magnon influence though generally though he is a dolicocephalic.

[Moonbird]

http://hosting.live-e.tv/content/sportnetwork/splash/24_02_izjava_novica_velickovic.jpg

Especially on this pic there's a softness in the facial traits that looks Baltid to me.

[zeta]

You should get used to your threads being Hijacked, it's a common occurence on this forum :coffee:

http://twocansandstring.com/uploads/files/funny-pictures-cat-needs-help.jpg

:D

I give this thread 5 star a rate! :p

[zeta]

Especially on this pic there's a softness in the facial traits that looks Baltid to me.

I think he look handsome. :eyes

[Dario Argento]

So you're telling me that 30% of Russians has had no effect on the pigmentation and admixture of certain chechens. Right. We know how pure caucasus people look, anyone can check that.

Did 900 years of Moorish rule have effect in your country or not? That seems more to me than 30% of Russians.

[hajduk]

he doesn't have the Meditteranean features that a lot of Bulgarians seem to have. If he got a tan or maybe dyed his hair black, he would probably have more luck passing as a Bulgarian.

YOu sound pathetic.
Here's the BG basket team. He wouldnt stand out
http://www.basketball.bg/images/morfeoshow/____________-1817/big/u20men2008.jpg


I think this guy looks pan slavic, like a lot of serbians

[Hess]

YOu sound pathetic.
Here's the BG basket team. He wouldnt stand out
http://www.basketball.bg/images/morfeoshow/____________-1817/big/u20men2008.jpg


I think this guy looks pan slavic, like a lot of serbians

there's no need to throw around insults just because you disagree with my opinion :)

If Bulgatrians were to have darker features, it wouldn't make them any less European.

Look at the Greeks- they are very dark and yet they contributed more to Europe than the blonde haired, blue eyed Estonians and Latvians :D

[Max]

A lot of Russians are Blonde (sometimes even platinum Blonde), but Red hair is extremely rare for Russia. On average, i would say that there are more Chechens with Red hair than Russians.

Red hair is most certainly not rare in Russia. Brown>Blond>Red of course but I have seen and personally know many natural Russian redheads. Even 3 of my cousins and an uncle have red hair.



http://hosting.live-e.tv/content/sportnetwork/splash/24_02_izjava_novica_velickovic.jpg

In this picture he looks quite Russian/Ukrainian to me.

[Guapo]

Looks Slovakian

[Anthropologique]

Pontid + Dinarid.

[zeta]

Looks Slovakian

Definitely.

[Aviane]

Your basketball player does actually look more Slavic than the other guy.

So Dinaric with North Pontid.

I could see him fitting in some Central and Eastern European countries.

[Sforza]

there's no need to throw around insults just because you disagree with my opinion :)

If Bulgatrians were to have darker features, it wouldn't make them any less European.

Look at the Greeks- they are very dark and yet they contributed more to Europe than the blonde haired, blue eyed Estonians and Latvians :D

I often wonder what the idea (of how the Greek people look like) is for those who have not visited Greece. The other day I was "reading" a Dutch cartoon regarding the EU crisis and how Greece is using the Dutch (or whomever's) wealth to retain a good standard of living and the Greek individual was portrayed with an Yemeni complexion and a thick mustache, I mean I must be living in a dif country because I have never encountered such an individual and if I was to I would think that he's from Pakistan.

I mean *most* Greeks do not have that different complexion than the rest of the Balkans (except -maybe- of some islanders) and mustaches are out of style for more than a century or so. Tanning is a different story altogether, bring me a Brit here and I would "make" him have this "Greek" complexion in no time :rolleyes:

[Hess]

I often wonder what the idea (of how the Greek people look like) is for those who have not visited Greece. The other day I was "reading" a Dutch cartoon regarding the EU crisis and how Greece is using the Dutch (or whomever's) wealth to retain a good standard of living and the Greek individual was portrayed with an Yemeni complexion and a thick mustache, I mean I must be living in a dif country because I have never encountered such an individual and if I was to I would think that he's from Pakistan.

I mean *most* Greeks do not have that different complexion than the rest of the Balkans (except -maybe- of some islanders) and mustaches are out of style for more than a century or so. Tanning is a different story altogether, bring me a Brit here and I would "make" him have this "Greek" complexion in no time :rolleyes:

I did visit Greece. Not mainland Greece, but one of the Islands- Crete. I have no idea why so many online anthropology forum members are on this crusade to prove that dark complexioned people don't exist in their countries. Having dark hair, brown eyes, and olive toned skin doesn't make someone less European and having lighter features doesn't automatically make someone superior or more European.

Some people think the word "dark" is some kind of insult when in reality all it means is a combination of dark hair, dark eyes, and olive toned skin which millions of Europeans have.

[Sforza]

I did visit Greece. Not mainland Greece, but one of the Islands- Crete. I have no idea why so many online anthropology forum members are on this crusade to prove that dark complexioned people don't exist in their countries. Having dark hair, brown eyes, and olive toned skin doesn't make someone less European and having lighter features doesn't automatically make someone superior or more European.

Some people think the word "dark" is some kind of insult when in reality all it means is a combination of dark hair, dark eyes, and olive toned skin which millions of Europeans have.

Maybe, but that's not me. Greece *is* the darkest country in Europe (maybe along with certain parts of Spain and Italy). Having said that it makes little sense to think that Greece is darker than its neighbors in a tangible manner.

Both the so called Macedonians, Bulgarians and Albanians have about the same complexions as Greeks do. "Colouring" is a gradient with few (if any) hard lines (maybe the strait of Gibraltar is one of them). Greece is 2000 km away from middle-East as much as it's from Netherlands or indeed Latvia/Estonia.

Greeks are not closer to Middle East or Africa than they're to the Estonians or the Dutch. They/we are Balkanians and that's that, and if you walk (take a roatrip to) these lands, starting from Belgrade, down to Athens you won't see any hard line, but rather small gradient differences. 9 mil of the Greeks live in-land, the rest 1 million live in the islands, and the islanders indeed are quite darker *because* they have been less influenced by the "conquests from the North".

I find greek Macedonians and Thracians to be almost equivalent to Bulgarians and Slavo-Macedonians. So much so that if it was not for the language/cultural differences I would think them as (being) the same people.

[zeta]

I find greek Macedonians and Thracians to be almost equivalent to Bulgarians and Slavo-Macedonians. So much so that if it was not for the language/cultural differences I would think them as (being) the same people.
But Bulgarians on average look more Eastern European than Greeks, no ?

[Anthropologique]

Did 900 years of Moorish rule have effect in your country or not? That seems more to me than 30% of Russians.

Actually, autosomal DNA results repeatedly show that the, so called, "Moors" had very little genetic impact on Iberia. The Moors (mostly native Berbers) were a small minority, and their territorial control / rule was constantly under threat.

[Ibericus]

Actually, autosomal DNA results repeatedly show that the, so called, "Moors" had very little genetic impact on Iberia. The Moors (mostly native Berbers) were a small minority, and their territorial control / rule was constantly under threat.
Plus, the 900 years is bullshit. The place that lasted more was Granada with 780 years, but most of Iberia lasted less than 400 years, and the ethnic moors were less than 1% of the population in most of Iberia. On top of that they were expelled, and there was later and ethnic cleansning.

[Hess]

But Bulgarians on average look more Eastern European than Greeks, no ?

There really is no "Eastern European look" because Eastern Europeans can look like anything.

[zeta]

There really is no "Eastern European look" because Eastern Europeans can look like anything.

Not true. :no: You'd having a hard time finding Novica look in Western Europe, but, you'd having a east time finding Novica in Eastern Europe, so therefore he look like an Eastern European, darling. :wink

[Hess]

Not true. :no: You'd having a hard time finding Novica look in Western Europe, but, you'd having a east time finding Novica in Eastern Europe, so therefore he look like an Eastern European, darling. :wink

Who or what is this "Novica" that you are talking about? I guarantee you that there is an Western European equivalent for every Eastern European phenotype.

[zeta]

Who or what is this "Novica" that you are talking about? I guarantee you that there is an Western European equivalent for every Eastern European phenotype.
When I say Novica, I mean this super tall Serbian basketball. :rolleyes2:

[Hess]

When I say Novica, I mean this super tall Serbian basketball. :rolleyes2:

I see.

he could easily fit into Poland (which is in Central Europe), Belgium, ,Italy, parts of France, and even parts of Switzerland.

[zeta]

I see.

he could easily fit into Poland (which is in Central Europe), Belgium, ,Italy, parts of France, and even parts of Switzerland.

Can you give me information about anthropology ?

[Sikeliot]

But Bulgarians on average look more Eastern European than Greeks, no ?


Very slightly.

[hajduk]

Very slightly.

You being Portuguesa,living in USA, what interactions do you have with bulgarian people?

You often use turks and gypsies in your guessing threads and trying to pass them as bulgarians http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6679
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10115

[Sikeliot]

You being Portuguesa,living in USA, what interactions do you have with bulgarian people?

You often use turks and gypsies in your guessing threads and trying to pass them as bulgarians http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6679
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10115

Well I think Bulgarians look Southern European, not Eastern European. You really think you're going to look more like Poles and Czechs than Greeks?

[hajduk]

Your comparison is stupid.
Do Portuguese people look closer to North Africans or to Swedes and Finns.
We are southern slavs, we neither look greeks, nor Russians

[Sikeliot]

Well I don't feel like arguing so let's just accept that we disagree.

[zeta]

Well I think Bulgarians look Southern European, not Eastern European. You really think you're going to look more like Poles and Czechs than Greeks?

Just because they have darker pigmentation doesn't make them look Southern European...unless you're talking about pigmentation, right ? :o

[Sikeliot]

I meant what I said. Bulgarians look Southern European/Balkan, not Eastern European/Slavic in the sense that Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs etc. look.

[zeta]

I meant what I said. Bulgarians look Southern European/Balkan, not Eastern European/Slavic in the sense that Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs etc. look.

''Eastern European'' doesn't associated with Slavic, but also Baltic, Finnic and Balkan. Having been to Bulgaria, I dont think they look Southern European, but depend on region, I suppose. :)

[Sikeliot]

''Eastern European'' doesn't associated with Slavic, but also Baltic, Finnic and Balkan. Having been to Bulgaria, I dont think they look Southern European, but depend on region, I suppose. :)

They don't look Slavic in the sense of Russians, Poles, etc., Baltic, or Finnic to me and I don't think of Balkans as Eastern Europe but Southeastern Europe.

[zeta]

They don't look Slavic in the sense of Russians, Poles, etc., Baltic, or Finnic to me and I don't think of Balkans as Eastern Europe but Southeastern Europe.

Same as Iberians who are not Western but Southern Western Europe. Bulgarians look Balkan, neither Eastern European nor Southern European. Someone like Novica (this super tall Serbian basketball) from Balkan and look pan Eastern European whether you agree or not. :wink

[Hess]

Can you give me information about anthropology ?

I'm not sure that I understand your question.


http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6679

60% of those people can easily pass as SE Europeans, and a few of them can even pass as central Europeans.

[zeta]

I'm not sure that I understand your question.


...I mean, where can I find information about subtype ? :)

[Hess]

...I mean, where can I find information about subtype ? :)

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=977438

[zeta]

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=977438

cheers for that, mr Mongoloid Jew. :smilie_bubble:

[Agrippa]

Atlanto-Nordid/Atlantid + Dinarid influences for the most part. Slight Cromagnoid/Borreby/Alpinoid possible, but secondary in any case.

[Anthropologique]

IMO, Bulgarians are Balkanite / East Med / Slavic in phenotype. They trend toward Southeastern Europe overall.

[Anthropologique]

Your comparison is stupid.
Do Portuguese people look closer to North Africans or to Swedes and Finns.
We are southern slavs, we neither look greeks, nor Russians


North Africans?:confused:

Autosomally, Portuguese cluster with or between Spaniards, French and N. Italians. There is also some closeness to the Swiss. Below is the latest (June of 2011) autosomal clustering map from the Eurogenes Project.

BTW, they are FAR closer to Swedes and Finns than North Africans (nowhere near).

[zeta]

Atlanto-Nordid/Atlantid + Dinarid influences for the most part. Slight Cromagnoid/Borreby/Alpinoid possible, but secondary in any case.
What do you mean by dinarid influences? around nose areas ?

And the second question. What are the cromagnoid influences in his case?
forehead?
Thanks. :)

[Agrippa]

Dinarid is the more globular headshape in this context, the less curvoccipital back of the head, probably other details and the body proportions influenced.

Cromagnoid influenced might be the broadness of the face, softness of the nose and some features, somewhat broader-robust build.

[Sforza]

But Bulgarians on average look more Eastern European than Greeks, no ?

Not when compared with Northern Greeks. Macedonian Greeks do look very "Eastern Euro" (whatever that means).

Anyhow, sorry for hijacking this thread, but it seems that it's often the case that people forget that Greeks are Balkanians as well, if it was not for the last century or so the boarders would still be fluid on the Balkans' are disregarding both religion and language ("culture").

[Hess]

Not when compared with Northern Greeks. Macedonian Greeks do look very "Eastern Euro" (whatever that means).

Anyhow, sorry for hijacking this thread, but it seems that it's often the case that people forget that Greeks are Balkanians as well, if it was not for the last century or so the boarders would still be fluid on the Balkans' are disregarding both religion and language ("culture").

Now that you mention it, I think that (on average) Macedonians tend to be darker than mainland Greeks.

[safinator]

Dinaro-Pontid

[King Claus]

slightly dinaricized Pontid with cm looks baltid

[Archduke]

zeta=rashka?

[Guapo]

zeta=Mordid

fixed

[Trun]

Lol, this basketballer is Mordid's love.

He isn't quite common where I live, but Hajduk often posts people like him so I guess he resembles many Shops.