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Aspirin
04-28-2020, 05:19 PM
I still don't understand how these calculators works, how is possible Ionashku to be more Southern than Andronic? He don't even have Greek_Thessaly in top 20 single population sharing. I know he have high Red Sea and low West Med, is possible that these two components to change so much the results? Vaniusha, explain please.
https://sun9-14.userapi.com/c206524/v206524099/10342e/TusbCEYvWyI.jpg
Ion Basescul
04-29-2020, 10:12 PM
I still don't understand how these calculators works, how is possible Ionashku to be more Southern than Andronic? He don't even have Greek_Thessaly in top 20 single population sharing. I know he have high Red Sea and low West Med, is possible that these two components to change so much the results? Vaniusha, explain please.
https://sun9-14.userapi.com/c206524/v206524099/10342e/TusbCEYvWyI.jpg
I'll take a look at their K15.
Meanwhile, a Russophone from the town of Ribnita, Transnistria, but with a Romanian/Moldovan surname.
Shtyrbul, Ribnita
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
36.87
2
North_Atlantic
26.6
3
West_Med
14.39
4
East_Med
9.35
5
West_Asian
5.74
6
Red_Sea
2.31
7
Siberian
1.58
8
Oceanian
1.22
9
South_Asian
0.72
10
East_Asian
0.6
11
Northeast_African
0.5
12
Sub-Saharan
0.09
13
Amerindian
0.04
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Croatian
2.95
2
Moldavian
5.25
3
Ukrainian_Lviv
6.33
4
South_Polish
7.45
5
Hungarian
7.5
6
Ukrainian
7.57
7
Polish
10.52
8
Serbian
10.68
9
East_German
10.83
10
Southwest_Russian
11.31
11
Austrian
11.44
12
Ukrainian_Belgorod
11.97
13
Russian_Smolensk
12.6
14
Estonian_Polish
12.94
15
Belorussian
13.61
16
Romanian
14.51
17
Kargopol_Russian
15.13
18
Southwest_Finnish
16.17
19
Bulgarian
16.51
20
Erzya
17.28
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
82.8%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
17.2%
Tuscan
@
2.17
2
81.7%
Ukrainian
+
18.3%
West_Sicilian
@
2.24
3
84.5%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
15.5%
West_Sicilian
@
2.24
4
79.8%
Ukrainian
+
20.2%
Tuscan
@
2.27
5
69.2%
Estonian_Polish
+
30.8%
Tuscan
@
2.27
6
87.5%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
12.5%
Italian_Jewish
@
2.37
7
87.5%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
12.5%
Algerian_Jewish
@
2.39
8
69.8%
Russian_Smolensk
+
30.2%
Tuscan
@
2.42
9
70.4%
Southwest_Russian
+
29.6%
North_Italian
@
2.43
10
61.5%
Lithuanian
+
38.5%
Tuscan
@
2.45
11
64.1%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
35.9%
Serbian
@
2.51
12
85.2%
Ukrainian
+
14.8%
Algerian_Jewish
@
2.53
13
85.2%
Ukrainian
+
14.8%
Italian_Jewish
@
2.55
14
92.6%
Croatian
+
7.4%
East_Finnish
@
2.55
15
81.9%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
18.1%
North_Italian
@
2.57
16
59.3%
Ukrainian
+
40.7%
Serbian
@
2.57
17
85.3%
Ukrainian
+
14.7%
Sephardic_Jewish
@
2.58
18
85.5%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
14.5%
Ashkenazi
@
2.59
19
95.9%
Croatian
+
4.1%
Mari
@
2.62
20
81.2%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
18.8%
Greek_Thessaly
@
2.62
</tbody>
Demographics of Ribnita town in 2004
<tbody>
</tbody><thead>
Народ
кол-во,
чел.
<small style="font-size: 11.9px;">%
от
всего</small>
<small style="font-size: 11.9px;">%
от
указав-
ших</small>
</thead><tbody>
Украинцы (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%8B)
24898
46,41 %
50,10 %
Русские (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5)
11738
21,88 %
23,62 %
Молдаване (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D 0%B5)
11235
20,94 %
22,61 %
Поляки (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%B8)
500
0,93 %
1,01 %
Белорусы (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8B)
328
0,61 %
0,66 %
Болгары (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8B)
220
0,41 %
0,44 %
Евреи (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B8)
166
0,31 %
0,33 %
Немцы (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%86%D1%8B)
106
0,20 %
0,21 %
Гагаузы (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B7%D1%8B)
96
0,18 %
0,19 %
другие
571
1,06 %
1,15 %
указали
49693
92,63 %
100,00 %
не указали
3955
7,37 %
всего
53648
100,00 %
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
04-29-2020, 10:44 PM
I still don't understand how these calculators works, how is possible Ionashku to be more Southern than Andronic? He don't even have Greek_Thessaly in top 20 single population sharing. I know he have high Red Sea and low West Med, is possible that these two components to change so much the results? Vaniusha, explain please.
https://sun9-14.userapi.com/c206524/v206524099/10342e/TusbCEYvWyI.jpg
If you look at the K15 PCA, you will see that these are the components that pull up (from left to right): Atlantic, North Sea, Baltic, Eastern (Euro), Amerindian, Siberian.
West Med pulls slightly down and to the West. The combination of Atlantic and West Med is the cause for Andronic pulling noticeably West.
East Med and Red Sea pull strongly down and slightly to the East. In this model they seem to be pretty close to one another. West Asian pulls stronger to the East, but not as much down as the former components.
South Asian pulls to the Southeast the strongest of all.
I assume Southeast Asian and Oceanian also pull down, even though they are not drawn on the PCA.
So the sum of components that pull up for Ionashku is 67.65 and 67.02 for Andronic.
For East Med and West Asian they are identical.
It might seem that every percentage in minor components like East Med, Red Sea and South Asian can move the position around significantly. South Asian will have the biggest influence.
<tbody>
Red_Sea
4.83 Pct
South_Asian
1.08 Pct
Southeast_Asian
1.32 Pct
</tbody>
<tbody>
Oceanian
0.63 Pc
</tbody>
Total: 7.86
<tbody>
Red_Sea
3.05 Pct
South_Asian
0.27 Pct
Southeast_Asian
-
</tbody>
<tbody>
Oceanian
-
</tbody>
Total: 3.32
Meanwhile, a Russophone from the town of Ribnita, Transnistria, but with a Romanian/Moldovan surname.
Shtyrbul, Ribnita
How much East_Med and Red_Sea does he score on Eu K15?
Ion Basescul
04-29-2020, 11:09 PM
How much East_Med and Red_Sea does he score on Eu K15?
<tbody>
North_Sea
20.79 Pct
Atlantic
13.37 Pct
Baltic
23.51 Pct
Eastern_Euro
15.51 Pct
West_Med
10.72 Pct
West_Asian
5.55 Pct
East_Med
5.74 Pct
Red_Sea
1.71 Pct
South_Asian
0.55 Pct
Southeast_Asian
0.30 Pct
Siberian
0.63 Pct
Amerindian
-
Oceanian
1.05 Pct
Northeast_African
0.57 Pct
Sub-Saharan
-
</tbody>
Daos777
04-29-2020, 11:28 PM
Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 1.5073% / 0.01507251
53.0 Ukrainian
38.8 Moldovan
8.2 Tatar_Kazan
Distance to: yo_scaled
0.02821185 Ukrainian:UCH945_ukrainian_Tsherk
0.02962201 Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V46055
0.03197166 Ukrainian:Ukrainian12
0.03335821 Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V13693
0.03387962 Moldovan:7481C01
0.03458364 Moldovan:7471C02
0.03497852 Moldovan:7472C02
0.03514737 Ukrainian:Ukrainian1
0.03526526 Ukrainian:Ukrainian22
0.03538178 Moldovan:8492C01
0.03628731 Ukrainian:UKR-2021
0.03694796 Moldovan:7522C01
0.03701894 Ukrainian:ULV293_ukrainian_Lviv
0.03783166 Ukrainian:UKR-1951
0.03812441 Ukrainian:Ukrainian3
0.03848942 Ukrainian:Ukrainian17
0.03872952 Ukrainian:UKR-1903
0.03943326 Ukrainian:UKR-1291
0.03962526 Ukrainian:Ukrainian20
0.03969376 Ukrainian:UKR-1283
0.04047538 Ukrainian:Ukrainian18
0.04162903 Ukrainian:UKR-1377
0.04178886 Moldovan:7581C02
0.04223993 Ukrainian:UKR-1399
0.04292968 Ukrainian:UKR-1292
I am the most northern full Moldovan ever
Ion Basescul
04-29-2020, 11:32 PM
Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 1.5073% / 0.01507251
53.0 Ukrainian
38.8 Moldovan
8.2 Tatar_Kazan
Distance to: yo_scaled
0.02821185 Ukrainian:UCH945_ukrainian_Tsherk
0.02962201 Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V46055
0.03197166 Ukrainian:Ukrainian12
0.03335821 Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V13693
0.03387962 Moldovan:7481C01
0.03458364 Moldovan:7471C02
0.03497852 Moldovan:7472C02
0.03514737 Ukrainian:Ukrainian1
0.03526526 Ukrainian:Ukrainian22
0.03538178 Moldovan:8492C01
0.03628731 Ukrainian:UKR-2021
0.03694796 Moldovan:7522C01
0.03701894 Ukrainian:ULV293_ukrainian_Lviv
0.03783166 Ukrainian:UKR-1951
0.03812441 Ukrainian:Ukrainian3
0.03848942 Ukrainian:Ukrainian17
0.03872952 Ukrainian:UKR-1903
0.03943326 Ukrainian:UKR-1291
0.03962526 Ukrainian:Ukrainian20
0.03969376 Ukrainian:UKR-1283
0.04047538 Ukrainian:Ukrainian18
0.04162903 Ukrainian:UKR-1377
0.04178886 Moldovan:7581C02
0.04223993 Ukrainian:UKR-1399
0.04292968 Ukrainian:UKR-1292
I am the most northern full Moldovan ever
Those two outliers are pure Ukrainians and 8492C01 is mixed. But the others from this list might be unmixed.
Ion Basescul
04-30-2020, 12:58 AM
Honciuc, Botosani (Ukrainian surname)
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
30.94
2
North_Atlantic
25.88
3
West_Med
16.18
4
East_Med
13.64
5
West_Asian
8.74
6
Red_Sea
1.2
7
Siberian
1.15
8
Oceanian
0.89
9
Amerindian
0.88
10
East_Asian
0.51
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Serbian
4.21
2
Moldavian
4.25
3
Croatian
6.32
4
Hungarian
7.31
5
Romanian
7.48
6
Bulgarian
9.59
7
Austrian
11.23
8
East_German
12.23
9
Ukrainian_Lviv
12.8
10
South_Polish
13.48
11
Ukrainian
13.99
12
Polish
17.06
13
Southwest_Russian
17.44
14
West_German
17.49
15
Ukrainian_Belgorod
17.79
16
Greek_Thessaly
18.31
17
South_Dutch
18.98
18
Russian_Smolensk
19.22
19
French
19.61
20
Estonian_Polish
19.68
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
65.5%
Romanian
+
34.5%
Ukrainian
@
1.56
2
54.4%
Croatian
+
45.6%
Romanian
@
1.58
3
60.8%
Croatian
+
39.2%
Bulgarian
@
1.68
4
63.7%
Ukrainian
+
36.3%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
1.72
5
50.3%
Serbian
+
49.7%
Moldavian
@
1.77
6
64.9%
Ukrainian
+
35.1%
West_Sicilian
@
1.77
7
83%
Croatian
+
17%
South_Italian
@
1.81
8
63.6%
Romanian
+
36.4%
Ukrainian_Lviv
@
1.82
9
81%
Croatian
+
19%
West_Sicilian
@
1.83
10
75.1%
Croatian
+
24.9%
Greek_Thessaly
@
1.84
11
70.1%
Romanian
+
29.9%
Polish
@
1.87
12
80.7%
Croatian
+
19.3%
Central_Greek
@
1.88
13
80.1%
Croatian
+
19.9%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
1.89
14
85.2%
Croatian
+
14.8%
Italian_Jewish
@
1.92
15
76.8%
Romanian
+
23.2%
Estonian
@
1.92
16
58.7%
Bulgarian
+
41.3%
South_Polish
@
1.94
17
64.9%
Romanian
+
35.1%
South_Polish
@
1.98
18
71.8%
Bulgarian
+
28.2%
Estonian
@
2
19
57.7%
South_Polish
+
42.3%
Greek_Thessaly
@
2.02
20
61.8%
Serbian
+
38.2%
Croatian
@
2.03
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
04-30-2020, 08:04 PM
I will create a separate thread when the results will be ready, but here is the progress for my brother's MyHeritage results.
As I know the yDNA and mtDNA from me, there was no point in taking 23andme for him, as MyHeritage is stronger in the raw autosomal DNA department.
It took 2 weeks for my mom's kit and 1.5 weeks for my dad's kit to go from "received" to "results are available" back in January this year.
https://i.imgur.com/RKP2uFj.png
I will create a separate thread when the results will be ready, but here is the progress for my brother's MyHeritage results.
As I know the yDNA and mtDNA from me, there was no point in taking 23andme for him, as MyHeritage is stronger in the raw autosomal DNA department.
It took 2 weeks for my mom's kit and 1.5 weeks for my dad's kit to go from "received" to "results are available" back in January this year.
We'll see who gets his results first - Chris or your brother.
Daos777
04-30-2020, 08:18 PM
I will create a separate thread when the results will be ready, but here is the progress for my brother's MyHeritage results.
As I know the yDNA and mtDNA from me, there was no point in taking 23andme for him, as MyHeritage is stronger in the raw autosomal DNA department.
It took 2 weeks for my mom's kit and 1.5 weeks for my dad's kit to go from "received" to "results are available" back in January this year.
https://i.imgur.com/RKP2uFj.png
Is my heritage actually as good/better than 23 and me in autosomal dna? Because there is a huge sale going on right now and I'm kind of interested in getting my parents tested lol.
Ion Basescul
04-30-2020, 08:19 PM
We'll see who gets his results first - Chris or your brother.
Yeah, I hope there aren't any delays in both of our cases.
Ion Basescul
04-30-2020, 08:30 PM
Is my heritage actually as good/better than 23 and me in autosomal dna? Because there is a huge sale going on right now and I'm kind of interested in getting my parents tested lol.
Yep, as Davidski told me at some point, when I asked about the best test for Global 25, he advised that it's something like Ancestry>MyHeritage>LivingDNA=23andme v5
You can grab a couple of 23andme v5 kits, Ancestry, MyHeritage and LivingDNA from your DNA relatives.
Just plug them in a random GEDmatch calculator, but having worked so much with K13, I remember the number of tested SNPs for genealogical purposes of the top of my head.
It's like 170k for Ancestry, 75k MyHeritage, 58k for both LivingDNA and 23andme v5
If you are on 23andme v3 or v4 like me, which use in the region of 170k SNPs for this calculator, then there's no point to "upgrade" to Ancestry.
Unfortunately Ancestry is not available outside US and some countries in Western Europe, so my options are limited to MyHeritage, LivingDNA and 23andme.
https://i.imgur.com/GcsGiUI.png
Daos777
04-30-2020, 09:19 PM
Yep, as Davidski told me at some point, when I asked about the best test for Global 25, he advised that it's something like Ancestry>MyHeritage>LivingDNA=23andme v5
You can grab a couple of 23andme v5 kits, Ancestry, MyHeritage and LivingDNA from your DNA relatives.
Just plug them in a random GEDmatch calculator, but having worked so much with K13, I remember the number of tested SNPs for genealogical purposes of the top of my head.
It's like 170k for Ancestry, 75k MyHeritage, 58k for both LivingDNA and 23andme v5
If you are on 23andme v3 or v4 like me, which use in the region of 170k SNPs for this calculator, then there's no point to "upgrade" to Ancestry.
Unfortunately Ancestry is not available outside US and some countries in Western Europe, so my options are limited to MyHeritage, LivingDNA and 23andme.
https://i.imgur.com/GcsGiUI.png
Wow, thanks. I’m definitely going to be upgrading to ancestry myself, and I will buy this MyHeritage sale to test my parents. Let’s see how southern my Moldovan side is haha
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Ion Basescul
04-30-2020, 09:25 PM
Wow, thanks. I’m definitely going to be upgrading to ancestry myself, and I will buy this MyHeritage sale to test my parents. Let’s see how southern my Moldovan side is haha
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Well, as I already concluded, if your Moldovan side is typical for the Northern region, then your Ukrainian side must be Hutsul/Carpathian highlander-like. I was modeling you with West Ukrainians initially and didn't realise that Hutsuls, who are also West Ukrainians, are quite Southern compared to them.
Aspirin
04-30-2020, 09:31 PM
Wow, thanks. I’m definitely going to be upgrading to ancestry myself, and I will buy this MyHeritage sale to test my parents. Let’s see how southern my Moldovan side is haha
From you paternal side, from who are your Moldavian roots, Grandfather or Grandmother?
Daos777
04-30-2020, 09:35 PM
From you paternal side, from who are your Moldavian roots, Grandfather or Grandmother?
Grandfather. Grandma is south Polish.
Aspirin
04-30-2020, 09:41 PM
Grandfather. Grandma is south Polish.
Well, you need to test him to know how your Moldavian side genetically is, but this, of course, if he is still alive.
Ion Basescul
04-30-2020, 09:43 PM
Grandfather. Grandma is south Polish.
Can you share some DNA results from 23andme of the people with 4 grandparents from Moldova that match you? Obviously don't share their pictures and full names.
Daos777
04-30-2020, 10:00 PM
Can you share some DNA results from 23andme of the people with 4 grandparents from Moldova that match you? Obviously don't share their pictures and full names.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/f0c9e97228311b62ec817a1227168f26.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/1a35947feeb59bdf7a12fee8b3482e4c.jpg
This is the closest match I have. And it is through that Polish grandma. Their father is full Moldovan.
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Ion Basescul
04-30-2020, 10:22 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/f0c9e97228311b62ec817a1227168f26.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/1a35947feeb59bdf7a12fee8b3482e4c.jpg
This is the closest match I have. And it is through that Polish grandma. Their father is full Moldovan.
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Yeah, but those must be on the higher end of the spectrum. For example here is a match of mine who is a halfie.
https://i.imgur.com/9TDc3Us.png
https://i.imgur.com/TbGVgIi.png
My closest DNA relative is a Russian girl who is 2/4 Ukrainian, 1/4 Russian and 1/4 Moldovan. So a similar profile to yours, more or less. But she scores in the mid 60s, like in your halfie example..
https://i.imgur.com/2QswY1y.png
https://i.imgur.com/cf1078N.png
Here's another person with a similar profile to yours. She is 2/4 Ukrainian, 1/4 Russian and 1/4 Moldovan from the North. This one has similar results.
https://i.imgur.com/zqmONg2.png
https://i.imgur.com/AHkd3Aa.png
Daos777
04-30-2020, 10:44 PM
Next top three matches for me. The first guy is from my Moldovan side, his mom is my grandfathers cousin. I don’t really know his dads side of fam. Looks Moldovan to me though from the results.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/165bad439f176c50bfb17b93bd801144.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/0899851a50176ccb0676d96cc4c31541.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/f20545baadaf87f40d9230e826b175cf.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/0d395dc6694b00036ab5a328eedb43e8.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/2333a5da3f67c94486cebdf0a6456f10.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200430/b10c596aba76b58bcb1a0a126c0240c3.jpg
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Ion Basescul
05-01-2020, 03:03 PM
I thought I'd merge all the ancestral surnames of my DNA relatives from Moldova on 23andme and MyHeritage.
Maybe someone might find it interesting.
popa,puls,calin,raileanu,rotari,lesnic,cojocari,bu zila,lambarschi,melnic,stavenski,stavinscaia,ciolp an,stavinschi,stavenscaia,didenco,damascan,lashkul ,mihalachi,bordei,parvan,munteanu,condurache,morar u,dragos,casu,roytapel,frishman,Филирчук,Ройтапель ,Малюта,barbaros,cojuhari,ciobanu,postovanu,opsova nu,smantana,simion,smantina,Кожокарь,neamtu,ciolac ,tatar,mitropolskaya,chukurna,iacob,ionita,albu,be jenaru,olteanu,Doni,Valdman,Botnar,Botnari,Batrync ha,Popa,Solomitchi,Prisacaru,Rosca,Rotariu,Ciobanu ,Buga,Lazari,Postica,Popa,Lupu,Marandich,Canter,Gh elan,Popa,Esanu,Melnic,Ghilinschi,Ghilenschi,Gheli nschi,Muntean,Dragovtev,Iaz,Tirbu,Secrieru,Oboroc, Novac,Placinta,Platinda,novac,Yakovlev,Yakovleva,C hichek,Perju,Jugeli,Jugheli,Turcanu,Boiko,Berezovs kii,Novac,Omelcenco,Soloviev,Untila,Solovieva
A Moldovan-Russian mix
I-CTS5966
L1a1
https://i.redd.it/7gt7m9cwyew41.jpg
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gcdmma/comment/fpatmw6
If someone has a Reddit account, they can ask him for his Gedmatch. I deleted my account.
Ion Basescul
05-03-2020, 12:03 AM
A Moldovan-Russian mix
I-CTS5966
L1a1
https://i.redd.it/7gt7m9cwyew41.jpg
https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/gcdmma/comment/fpatmw6
If someone has a Reddit account, they can ask him for his Gedmatch. I deleted my account.
It is hard to believe in his half Moldovan considering that he doesn't receive any region. Might be a quarter or more, although I receive 8 regions as a quarter. Strange case
It is hard to believe in his half Moldovan considering that he doesn't receive any region. Might be a quarter or more, although I receive 8 regions as a quarter. Strange case
Well, that's what he presented himself as. We need Gedmatch to be sure.
Ion Basescul
05-06-2020, 08:18 PM
My brother's sample is in the penultimate stage. From my experience and what I also saw with Chris596's sample, it takes about 1-2 days to get the results from here.
https://i.imgur.com/9ecoOsN.png
Ion Basescul
05-06-2020, 09:44 PM
Excitement is through the roof
https://i.imgur.com/NRLaJf0.png
Found some interesting kit. I wonder if she has actual Moldovan ancestry or that's just a false signal
Kit ZV3935167
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.52
2 North_Atlantic 24.04
3 West_Med 16.31
4 West_Asian 10.9
5 East_Med 8.57
6 South_Asian 4.15
7 Siberian 2.01
8 Amerindian 0.39
9 Oceanian 0.11
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.95
2 Croatian 5.98
3 Hungarian 9.41
4 Serbian 9.73
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.39
6 Ukrainian 11.68
7 South_Polish 11.81
8 Romanian 12.08
9 East_German 12.92
10 Austrian 12.97
11 Bulgarian 13.91
12 Polish 14.96
13 Southwest_Russian 15.09
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.13
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.75
16 Estonian_Polish 17.44
17 Kargopol_Russian 17.95
18 Tatar 18.35
19 Belorussian 18.38
20 Erzya 19.53
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Moldavian + 3.8% Gujarati @ 3.14
2 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Dharkar @ 3.14
3 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Brahmin_UP @ 3.15
4 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Kanjar @ 3.15
5 96.2% Moldavian + 3.8% Kshatriya @ 3.16
6 96.7% Moldavian + 3.3% Kol @ 3.16
7 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% North_Kannadi @ 3.18
8 96.7% Moldavian + 3.3% Uttar_Pradesh @ 3.18
9 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Kurumba @ 3.19
10 97% Moldavian + 3% Chamar @ 3.19
11 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Velamas @ 3.2
12 97% Moldavian + 3% Piramalai @ 3.21
13 96.9% Moldavian + 3.1% Dusadh @ 3.21
14 95.6% Moldavian + 4.4% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.22
15 97.1% Moldavian + 2.9% Sakilli @ 3.23
16 96.9% Moldavian + 3.1% Chenchu @ 3.25
17 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Bangladeshi @ 3.27
18 96.3% Moldavian + 3.7% Sindhi @ 3.32
19 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Burusho @ 3.32
20 95.8% Moldavian + 4.2% Kalash @ 3.32
Target: Lyubov
Distance: 3.0032% / 3.00322566 | ADC: 0.25x
65.8 Moldova_North
21.6 Ukrainian
5.4 Kalash
3.0 Sardinian
2.6 Bulgarian_Ruse
1.2 Gujarati
0.4 Kargopol_Russian
Target: Lyubov
Distance: 1.0814% / 1.08142120
25.8 South_Polish
14.4 Erzya
14.4 Sardinian
14.2 Ukrainian
8.8 Kalash
7.0 Latvian
5.8 Greek_Northern-Thrace
3.8 Lithuanian
3.6 Georgian_imereti
2.0 French_Basque
0.2 Tabassaran
Population
Gedrosia 6.81 Pct
Siberian 2.60 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.82 Pct
North_European 43.96 Pct
South_Asian 1.54 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.06 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Lyubov
5.03863077 Croat
5.07113400 Bosnian
5.41928962 R.Moldova_Centre+North
6.17832502 Hungarians
6.52249952 HUN_Szekely
8.31325448 Serb
11.87635045 German
11.92514989 Montenegrin
12.08295494 Sorb_Lusatia
12.55265709 Ukrainian
Target: Lyubov
Distance: 2.1863% / 2.18632487 | ADC: 0.5x
54.0 Bosnian
30.4 Hungarians
8.2 HUN_Szekely
6.6 Udmurt
0.8 Jatt
Target: Lyubov
Distance: 0.9921% / 0.99211964 | ADC: 0.25x
61.6 Bosnian
19.0 Hungarians
8.8 Udmurt
8.6 German
1.8 Jatt
0.2 Brahui
Aspirin
05-17-2020, 06:13 PM
Found some interesting kit. I wonder if she has actual Moldovan ancestry or that's just a false signal
Kit ZV3935167
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.52
2 North_Atlantic 24.04
3 West_Med 16.31
4 West_Asian 10.9
5 East_Med 8.57
6 South_Asian 4.15
7 Siberian 2.01
8 Amerindian 0.39
9 Oceanian 0.11
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.95
2 Croatian 5.98
3 Hungarian 9.41
4 Serbian 9.73
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.39
6 Ukrainian 11.68
7 South_Polish 11.81
8 Romanian 12.08
9 East_German 12.92
10 Austrian 12.97
11 Bulgarian 13.91
12 Polish 14.96
13 Southwest_Russian 15.09
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.13
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.75
16 Estonian_Polish 17.44
17 Kargopol_Russian 17.95
18 Tatar 18.35
19 Belorussian 18.38
20 Erzya 19.53
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Moldavian + 3.8% Gujarati @ 3.14
2 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Dharkar @ 3.14
3 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Brahmin_UP @ 3.15
4 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Kanjar @ 3.15
5 96.2% Moldavian + 3.8% Kshatriya @ 3.16
6 96.7% Moldavian + 3.3% Kol @ 3.16
7 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% North_Kannadi @ 3.18
8 96.7% Moldavian + 3.3% Uttar_Pradesh @ 3.18
9 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Kurumba @ 3.19
10 97% Moldavian + 3% Chamar @ 3.19
11 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Velamas @ 3.2
12 97% Moldavian + 3% Piramalai @ 3.21
13 96.9% Moldavian + 3.1% Dusadh @ 3.21
14 95.6% Moldavian + 4.4% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.22
15 97.1% Moldavian + 2.9% Sakilli @ 3.23
16 96.9% Moldavian + 3.1% Chenchu @ 3.25
17 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Bangladeshi @ 3.27
18 96.3% Moldavian + 3.7% Sindhi @ 3.32
19 95.9% Moldavian + 4.1% Burusho @ 3.32
20 95.8% Moldavian + 4.2% Kalash @ 3.32
Target: Lyubov
Distance: 3.0032% / 3.00322566 | ADC: 0.25x
65.8 Moldova_North
21.6 Ukrainian
5.4 Kalash
3.0 Sardinian
2.6 Bulgarian_Ruse
1.2 Gujarati
0.4 Kargopol_Russian
Target: Lyubov
Distance: 1.0814% / 1.08142120
25.8 South_Polish
14.4 Erzya
14.4 Sardinian
14.2 Ukrainian
8.8 Kalash
7.0 Latvian
5.8 Greek_Northern-Thrace
3.8 Lithuanian
3.6 Georgian_imereti
2.0 French_Basque
0.2 Tabassaran
Population
Gedrosia 6.81 Pct
Siberian 2.60 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.82 Pct
North_European 43.96 Pct
South_Asian 1.54 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.06 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Lyubov
5.03863077 Croat
5.07113400 Bosnian
5.41928962 R.Moldova_Centre+North
6.17832502 Hungarians
6.52249952 HUN_Szekely
8.31325448 Serb
11.87635045 German
11.92514989 Montenegrin
12.08295494 Sorb_Lusatia
12.55265709 Ukrainian
Target: Lyubov
Distance: 2.1863% / 2.18632487 | ADC: 0.5x
54.0 Bosnian
30.4 Hungarians
8.2 HUN_Szekely
6.6 Udmurt
0.8 Jatt
Target: Lyubov
Distance: 0.9921% / 0.99211964 | ADC: 0.25x
61.6 Bosnian
19.0 Hungarians
8.8 Udmurt
8.6 German
1.8 Jatt
0.2 Brahui
Definitely, average Moldavian have 4% South Asian.
Definitely, average Moldavian have 4% South Asian.
Not funny and I wasn't trolling. I'm not blind and can see the South Asian. If it weren't for that part the results would be fairly Moldovan. And for that matter, Tzigane ancestry is more common in Romanian-speaking areas than in Russian-speaking. At least in relative numbers if not absolute.
Ion Basescul
05-17-2020, 06:22 PM
Found some interesting kit. I wonder if she has actual Moldovan ancestry or that's just a false signal
Definitely, average Moldavian have 4% South Asian.
Just because they might score like a Moldovan, doesn't make them one. If you mix a Greek and a Lithuanian, you will more or less get a Moldovan/Eastern Romanian.
Do these names look Moldovan to you?
<tbody>
Email:
Kit Number:
RJ7520263
Name:
Kit Number:
ZV3935167
Name:
Kit Number:
LY3203723
Name:
</tbody>
The email points to a Russian from Moscow.
Just because they might score like a Moldovan, doesn't make them one. If you mix a Greek and a Lithuanian, you will more or less get a Moldovan/Eastern Romanian.
Do these names look Moldovan to you?
I wasn't saying that person is supposed to be a full Moldovan. Then again, Moldovan ancestry isn't something super rare in Russia, especially in cosmopolitan Moscow. It isn't very common either but can be found nevertheless.
Ion Basescul
05-17-2020, 06:30 PM
I wasn't saying that person is supposed to be a full Moldovan. Then again, Moldovan ancestry isn't something super rare in Russia, especially in cosmopolitan Moscow. It isn't very common either but can be found nevertheless.
She's not Moldovan, as in ethnic, at all. Her native language is Russian and she didn't list Romanian on the CV. If Vitaliy is her husband, then he scores like a West Ukrainian. Alfred Bodrov looks like a half German, so perhaps a descendant of one of the German prisoners.
Ion Basescul
05-17-2020, 06:32 PM
Not funny and I wasn't trolling. I'm not blind and can see the South Asian. If it weren't for that part the results would be fairly Moldovan. And for that matter, Tzigane ancestry is more common in Romanian-speaking areas than in Russian-speaking. At least in relative numbers if not absolute.
In Moldova it's the other way around, i.e. more common in Russian-speaking areas as Romas themselves are likelier to be Russian rather than Romanian speakers.
She's not Moldovan, as in ethnic, at all. Her native language is Russian and she didn't list Romanian on the CV. If Vitaliy is her husband, then he scores like a West Ukrainian. Alfred Bodrov looks like a half German, so perhaps a descendant of one of the German prisoners.
Okay. I apologize if my post was offensive. Is that because of the South Asian? Tomorrow I'll post a Belorussian claiming he is Moldovan :cool:
Why prisoners, lol. There were almost two million Volga Germans in the Soviet Union. Another baseless claim.
In Moldova it's the other way around, i.e. more common in Russian-speaking areas as Romas themselves are likelier to be Russian rather than Romanian speakers.
I mean in RELATIVE numbers. Romania has way more than Russia per capita.
Ion Basescul
05-17-2020, 06:41 PM
Okay. I apologize if my post was offensive. Is that because of the South Asian? Tomorrow I'll post a Belorussian claiming he is Moldovan :cool:
Why prisoners, lol. There were almost two million Volga Germans in the Soviet Union. Another baseless claim.
Ah, it's not about South Asian at all. It's not like we don't have Moldovans in our spreadsheet with that amount of South Asian. I would have thought that she's Moldovan too, but this is why it's important to verify the kits.
I was suspicious because of the forename firstly, Lyubov, which to me came as a clue that she is at least half Russophone (be it Russian, Ukrainian, Gagauz, Bulgarian, Gypsy, Jewish, etc.). Then the next clue came when I looked her kit up and saw that the surname is Russian. Then I saw her related kits, which are also all non-Moldovan ethnics. Then the last hint came when I actually found her online as a person from Moscow for whom Russian is listed as Native language and German as beginner. Romanian is nowhere to be seen, even at beginner level.
Therefore, there's no clue to point at her tracing any part of ancestry from Moldova.
Ion Basescul
05-17-2020, 06:42 PM
I mean in RELATIVE numbers. Romania has way more than Russia per capita.
We don't have any migration from Romania. Moldova is way poorer and in Moldova there are less than 10k.
<caption style="font-weight: bold;">Population of Moldova according to ethnic group 1959–2014</caption><tbody>
Ethnic
group
census 19591
census 19702
census 19793
census 19894
census 20045
census 20145
Number
%
Number
%
Number
%
Number
%
Number
%
Number
%
Moldovans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovans)8
1,886,566
65.4
2,303,916
64.6
2,525,687
63.9
2,794,749
64.5
2,742,231
69.6
2,068,058
75.1
Romanians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians)
1,663
0.1
1,581
0.0
1,657
0.0
2,477
0.1
73,529
1.9
192,800
7.0
Ukrainians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians)
420,820
14.6
506,560
14.2
560,679
14.2
600,366
13.8
442,475
11.2
181,035
6.6
Gagauzians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauzians)
95,856
3.3
124,902
3.5
138,000
3.5
153,548
3.5
151,596
3.8
126,010
4.6
Russians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians)
292,930
10.2
414,444
11.6
505,730
12.8
562,069
13.0
369,896
9.4
111,726
4.1
Bulgarians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians)
61,652
2.1
73,776
2.1
80,665
2.0
88,419
2.0
79,520
2.0
51,867
1.9
Romani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people)
7,265
0.3
9,235
0.3
10,666
0.3
11,571
0.3
12,778
0.3
9,323
0.3
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
05-17-2020, 06:51 PM
Okay. I apologize if my post was offensive. Is that because of the South Asian? Tomorrow I'll post a Belorussian claiming he is Moldovan :cool:
Why prisoners, lol. There were almost two million Volga Germans in the Soviet Union. Another baseless claim.
She could be that Belorussian ;).
I'm looking at her matches and there's a certain Sherbakov (same family) that's her relative at 28cM. He has a family tree and is from Belarus on both sides.
HIDDEN HIDDEN, HIDDEN (https://www.gedmatch.com/GEDCom/individual_detail.php?id_family=3948256&id_ged=I500011)
/
Alexander Parfirievich Sherbakov, b. 10 MAY 1933, Belarus, d. ABT 1993, Belarus (https://www.gedmatch.com/GEDCom/individual_detail.php?id_family=3948256&id_ged=I500003)
/
https://www.gedmatch.com/images/DNA16-c.png HIDDEN HIDDEN, b. HIDDEN (https://www.gedmatch.com/GEDCom/individual_detail.php?id_family=3948256&id_ged=I500001)
\
| HIDDEN HIDDEN (https://www.gedmatch.com/GEDCom/individual_detail.php?id_family=3948256&id_ged=I500013)
| /
| Stanislav Stanislavovich Galkiewicz, b. ABT 1910, Belarus, Belarus (https://www.gedmatch.com/GEDCom/individual_detail.php?id_family=3948256&id_ged=I500005)
| / \
| | HIDDEN (https://www.gedmatch.com/GEDCom/individual_detail.php?id_family=3948256&id_ged=I500014)
\ /
Sofia Stanislavovna Galkiewicz, b. 20 DEC 1933, Belarus, d. ABT 1993, Belarus (https://www.gedmatch.com/GEDCom/individual_detail.php?id_family=3948256&id_ged=I500002)
\
| HIDDEN HIDDEN (https://www.gedmatch.com/GEDCom/individual_detail.php?id_family=3948256&id_ged=I500012)
\ /
Lidia Petrovna Butskiewicz, b. ABT 1913, Belarus (https://www.gedmatch.com/GEDCom/individual_detail.php?id_family=3948256&id_ged=I500004)
Maybe she's an orphan from Moldova, who was adopted by a family from Moscow? But that's a wild guess without any proofs, especially exacerbated by the fact that she doesn't appear to match anyone from Moldova or Romania or Ukraine in her closest matches.
Why did GEDCOM become so shitty? I remember when it was different, nothing was "hidden" and I could check the person's family tree. Now almost every kit with a genealogy is screwed up like that.
Ion Basescul
05-17-2020, 06:57 PM
Why did GEDCOM become so shitty? I remember when it was different, nothing was "hidden" and I could check the person's family tree. Now almost every kit with a genealogy is screwed up like that.
GEDmatch was bought by another company not that long ago and they increased the security measures. Now people can choose what they want to share.
GEDmatch was bought by another company not that long ago and they increased the security measures. Now people can choose what they want to share.
I know but that started months before the purchase. It was good 2-3 years ago (I've been on GED since the spring of 2017)
Ion Basescul
05-17-2020, 07:07 PM
I know but that started months before the purchase. It was good 2-3 years ago (I've been on GED since the spring of 2017)
Ah no idea then, but I'm doing the same on MyHeritage for example. I only show the surnames for me, my parents and grandparents, but full details for the older ancestors.
War Chef
05-17-2020, 08:39 PM
Moldovans are like 66% Romanian, 33% Ukrainian
Ion Basescul
05-17-2020, 10:48 PM
Moldovans are like 66% Romanian, 33% Ukrainian
Romanians are not homogeneous. Those from Wallachia are almost identical to Bulgarians, those from Transylvania are a bit shifted to the West, while those from Moldavia and R. Moldova are shifted East.
So in that sense Moldovans from R. Moldova can be modelled like 66% Wallachian Romanians and 33% Ukrainian, but also as 100% Romanians from Moldavia. Mind you also that there are very South-shifted Moldovans too. Those in the South seem to be closer to Wallachians and Gagauz genetically than to the rest of people from either R. Moldova or Romania's Moldavia.
Ion Basescul
05-20-2020, 08:41 AM
Two confirmed Russians from Chisinau. They seem to be as mixed genetically, as that Transnistrian Russian from Bender. I wonder how many Russians have this kind of profile, but I suppose the wide majority. Russophone families, apart from those who are living in monoethnic regions like Gagauzia, are usually heavily mixed with locals. That's pretty normal here.
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<colgroup><col style="width: 360px"><col width="111"><col width="156"><col width="68"><col width="39"><col width="66"><col width="73"><col width="63"><col width="55"><col width="78"><col width="70"><col width="54"><col width="74"><col width="60"><col width="74"><col width="80"></colgroup><tbody>
Bender, Transnistria, Russian
R. Moldova, mixed
N/A
19.49
39.49
12.12
12.18
8.25
0
3.82
1.27
0.87
0.89
1.11
0.51
0
</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
38.56
2
North_Atlantic
20.4
3
West_Med
12.97
4
East_Med
12.43
5
West_Asian
10.32
6
Siberian
1.86
7
Red_Sea
1.7
8
South_Asian
0.61
9
East_Asian
0.47
10
Oceanian
0.44
11
Northeast_African
0.19
12
Amerindian
0.05
13
Sub-Saharan
0.02
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Moldavian
6.31
2
Croatian
7.46
3
Ukrainian_Lviv
9.59
4
Ukrainian
10.53
5
South_Polish
11.52
6
Southwest_Russian
11.79
7
Ukrainian_Belgorod
11.92
8
Serbian
12.23
9
Hungarian
12.53
10
Polish
13.98
11
Romanian
14.36
12
Russian_Smolensk
14.41
13
Estonian_Polish
14.91
14
Bulgarian
15.29
15
Belorussian
15.75
16
Kargopol_Russian
15.9
17
Erzya
16.08
18
East_German
17.13
19
Austrian
17.23
20
Tatar
18.02
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
79.2%
Southwest_Russian
+
20.8%
Cyprian
@
2.83
2
51.3%
Bulgarian
+
48.7%
Erzya
@
3.03
3
79.1%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
20.9%
Cyprian
@
3.07
4
69.2%
Lithuanian
+
30.8%
Cyprian
@
3.28
5
72.8%
Southwest_Russian
+
27.2%
Central_Greek
@
3.35
6
77.6%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
22.4%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.38
7
72.6%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
27.4%
Central_Greek
@
3.38
8
75.7%
Russian_Smolensk
+
24.3%
Cyprian
@
3.44
9
73.5%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
26.5%
East_Sicilian
@
3.49
10
67.5%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
32.5%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.52
11
75.4%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
24.6%
South_Italian
@
3.58
12
73.7%
Southwest_Russian
+
26.3%
East_Sicilian
@
3.58
13
75.1%
Estonian_Polish
+
24.9%
Cyprian
@
3.59
14
82.8%
Ukrainian
+
17.2%
Assyrian
@
3.64
15
60.1%
Erzya
+
39.9%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.65
16
75.7%
Southwest_Russian
+
24.3%
South_Italian
@
3.66
17
82.7%
Ukrainian
+
17.3%
Georgian_Jewish
@
3.67
18
83.4%
Ukrainian
+
16.6%
Kurdish_Jewish
@
3.68
19
74%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
26%
Ashkenazi
@
3.68
20
67.8%
Southwest_Russian
+
32.2%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.72
</tbody>
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
39.09
2
North_Atlantic
26.6
3
West_Med
13.01
4
East_Med
10.12
5
West_Asian
7.82
6
Red_Sea
1.61
7
Siberian
0.67
8
Amerindian
0.64
9
East_Asian
0.43
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Croatian
3.3
2
Ukrainian_Lviv
5.23
3
Moldavian
6.02
4
South_Polish
6.12
5
Ukrainian
6.15
6
Hungarian
8.31
7
Polish
9.18
8
Southwest_Russian
9.32
9
Ukrainian_Belgorod
9.66
10
Russian_Smolensk
10.93
11
Estonian_Polish
11.47
12
Serbian
11.86
13
East_German
11.86
14
Belorussian
12.08
15
Austrian
12.54
16
Kargopol_Russian
14.12
17
Romanian
15.47
18
Erzya
15.84
19
Southwest_Finnish
15.96
20
Estonian
16.31
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
51.6%
Romanian
+
48.4%
Lithuanian
@
1.24
2
58.7%
Russian_Smolensk
+
41.3%
Romanian
@
1.45
3
61.4%
Russian_Smolensk
+
38.6%
Bulgarian
@
1.46
4
57.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
42.5%
Romanian
@
1.52
5
51.2%
Lithuanian
+
48.8%
Bulgarian
@
1.57
6
65.6%
Polish
+
34.4%
Bulgarian
@
1.62
7
60.3%
Estonian_Polish
+
39.7%
Bulgarian
@
1.68
8
74.5%
Ukrainian
+
25.5%
Bulgarian
@
1.73
9
76.6%
Croatian
+
23.4%
Southwest_Russian
@
1.74
10
87.8%
Ukrainian
+
12.2%
Sephardic_Jewish
@
1.74
11
84.9%
Ukrainian
+
15.1%
Central_Greek
@
1.75
12
84%
Polish
+
16%
Cyprian
@
1.77
13
85.3%
Ukrainian
+
14.7%
East_Sicilian
@
1.79
14
59.1%
Belorussian
+
40.9%
Bulgarian
@
1.79
15
66.4%
Lithuanian
+
33.6%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
1.8
16
74.8%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
25.2%
North_Italian
@
1.81
17
89%
Ukrainian
+
11%
Cyprian
@
1.82
18
87.8%
Ukrainian
+
12.2%
Italian_Jewish
@
1.83
19
86.5%
Ukrainian
+
13.5%
South_Italian
@
1.84
20
77.6%
Croatian
+
22.4%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
1.85
</tbody>
Two confirmed Russians from Chisinau. They seem to be as mixed genetically, as that Transnistrian Russian from Bender. I wonder how many Russians have this kind of profile, but I suppose the wide majority. Russophone families, apart from those who are living in monoethnic regions like Gagauzia, are usually heavily mixed with locals. That's pretty normal here.
Share their Dodecad components please.
Ion Basescul
05-20-2020, 01:25 PM
Share their Dodecad components please.
Here you go.
<tbody>
Population
Gedrosia
3.57 Pct
Siberian
2.45 Pct
Northwest_African
-
Southeast_Asian
-
Atlantic_Med
22.35 Pct
North_European
46.67 Pct
South_Asian
0.82 Pct
East_African
-
Southwest_Asian
4.38 Pct
East_Asian
-
Caucasus
19.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan
-
</tbody>
<tbody>
Population
Gedrosia
4.56 Pct
Siberian
1.04 Pct
Northwest_African
-
Southeast_Asian
0.41 Pct
Atlantic_Med
25.87 Pct
North_European
48.53 Pct
South_Asian
-
East_African
-
Southwest_Asian
3.80 Pct
East_Asian
-
Caucasus
15.79 Pct
Sub_Saharan
-
</tbody>
Yeah, definitely mixed with Vlachs. Such Russians don't exist in Russia unless they are from Moldova.
Ion Basescul
05-20-2020, 01:48 PM
Yeah, definitely mixed with Vlachs. Such Russians don't exist in Russia unless they are from Moldova.
They are from here, but actually live in Russia (part of the wave that left straight after the fall of the Soviet Union).
War Chef
05-20-2020, 03:08 PM
Two confirmed Russians from Chisinau. They seem to be as mixed genetically, as that Transnistrian Russian from Bender. I wonder how many Russians have this kind of profile, but I suppose the wide majority. Russophone families, apart from those who are living in monoethnic regions like Gagauzia, are usually heavily mixed with locals. That's pretty normal here.
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Bender, Transnistria, Russian
R. Moldova, mixed
N/A
19.49
39.49
12.12
12.18
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<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
38.56
2
North_Atlantic
20.4
3
West_Med
12.97
4
East_Med
12.43
5
West_Asian
10.32
6
Siberian
1.86
7
Red_Sea
1.7
8
South_Asian
0.61
9
East_Asian
0.47
10
Oceanian
0.44
11
Northeast_African
0.19
12
Amerindian
0.05
13
Sub-Saharan
0.02
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Moldavian
6.31
2
Croatian
7.46
3
Ukrainian_Lviv
9.59
4
Ukrainian
10.53
5
South_Polish
11.52
6
Southwest_Russian
11.79
7
Ukrainian_Belgorod
11.92
8
Serbian
12.23
9
Hungarian
12.53
10
Polish
13.98
11
Romanian
14.36
12
Russian_Smolensk
14.41
13
Estonian_Polish
14.91
14
Bulgarian
15.29
15
Belorussian
15.75
16
Kargopol_Russian
15.9
17
Erzya
16.08
18
East_German
17.13
19
Austrian
17.23
20
Tatar
18.02
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
79.2%
Southwest_Russian
+
20.8%
Cyprian
@
2.83
2
51.3%
Bulgarian
+
48.7%
Erzya
@
3.03
3
79.1%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
20.9%
Cyprian
@
3.07
4
69.2%
Lithuanian
+
30.8%
Cyprian
@
3.28
5
72.8%
Southwest_Russian
+
27.2%
Central_Greek
@
3.35
6
77.6%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
22.4%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.38
7
72.6%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
27.4%
Central_Greek
@
3.38
8
75.7%
Russian_Smolensk
+
24.3%
Cyprian
@
3.44
9
73.5%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
26.5%
East_Sicilian
@
3.49
10
67.5%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
32.5%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.52
11
75.4%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
24.6%
South_Italian
@
3.58
12
73.7%
Southwest_Russian
+
26.3%
East_Sicilian
@
3.58
13
75.1%
Estonian_Polish
+
24.9%
Cyprian
@
3.59
14
82.8%
Ukrainian
+
17.2%
Assyrian
@
3.64
15
60.1%
Erzya
+
39.9%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.65
16
75.7%
Southwest_Russian
+
24.3%
South_Italian
@
3.66
17
82.7%
Ukrainian
+
17.3%
Georgian_Jewish
@
3.67
18
83.4%
Ukrainian
+
16.6%
Kurdish_Jewish
@
3.68
19
74%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
26%
Ashkenazi
@
3.68
20
67.8%
Southwest_Russian
+
32.2%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.72
</tbody>
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
39.09
2
North_Atlantic
26.6
3
West_Med
13.01
4
East_Med
10.12
5
West_Asian
7.82
6
Red_Sea
1.61
7
Siberian
0.67
8
Amerindian
0.64
9
East_Asian
0.43
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Croatian
3.3
2
Ukrainian_Lviv
5.23
3
Moldavian
6.02
4
South_Polish
6.12
5
Ukrainian
6.15
6
Hungarian
8.31
7
Polish
9.18
8
Southwest_Russian
9.32
9
Ukrainian_Belgorod
9.66
10
Russian_Smolensk
10.93
11
Estonian_Polish
11.47
12
Serbian
11.86
13
East_German
11.86
14
Belorussian
12.08
15
Austrian
12.54
16
Kargopol_Russian
14.12
17
Romanian
15.47
18
Erzya
15.84
19
Southwest_Finnish
15.96
20
Estonian
16.31
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
51.6%
Romanian
+
48.4%
Lithuanian
@
1.24
2
58.7%
Russian_Smolensk
+
41.3%
Romanian
@
1.45
3
61.4%
Russian_Smolensk
+
38.6%
Bulgarian
@
1.46
4
57.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
42.5%
Romanian
@
1.52
5
51.2%
Lithuanian
+
48.8%
Bulgarian
@
1.57
6
65.6%
Polish
+
34.4%
Bulgarian
@
1.62
7
60.3%
Estonian_Polish
+
39.7%
Bulgarian
@
1.68
8
74.5%
Ukrainian
+
25.5%
Bulgarian
@
1.73
9
76.6%
Croatian
+
23.4%
Southwest_Russian
@
1.74
10
87.8%
Ukrainian
+
12.2%
Sephardic_Jewish
@
1.74
11
84.9%
Ukrainian
+
15.1%
Central_Greek
@
1.75
12
84%
Polish
+
16%
Cyprian
@
1.77
13
85.3%
Ukrainian
+
14.7%
East_Sicilian
@
1.79
14
59.1%
Belorussian
+
40.9%
Bulgarian
@
1.79
15
66.4%
Lithuanian
+
33.6%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
1.8
16
74.8%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
25.2%
North_Italian
@
1.81
17
89%
Ukrainian
+
11%
Cyprian
@
1.82
18
87.8%
Ukrainian
+
12.2%
Italian_Jewish
@
1.83
19
86.5%
Ukrainian
+
13.5%
South_Italian
@
1.84
20
77.6%
Croatian
+
22.4%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
1.85
</tbody>
Gagauz rarely breed with outsiders. We keep our Roman/scythian/slav/goth lineages like it was 800a.d.
Ion Basescul
05-20-2020, 07:10 PM
Gagauz rarely breed with outsiders. We keep our Roman/scythian/slav/goth lineages like it was 800a.d.
Not necessarily true, it's just because Gagauzia is monoethnic, which was the whole point of the autonomy, to preserve your culture. But those in Chisinau mix without second thoughts.
Gagauzia isn't exactly monoethnic
According to the 2014 census results, the ethnic breakdown in Gagauzia was:[15]
Ethnic group Population Percent of total
Gagauz 112,403 83.8%
Bulgarians 6,573 4.9%
Moldovans 6,304 4.7%
Russians 4,292 3.2%
Ukrainians 3,353 2.5%
Others 1,207 0.9%
However local Bulgarians and Moldovans must be genetically very similar to the Gagauz majority.
Ion Basescul
05-20-2020, 07:55 PM
Gagauzia isn't exactly monoethnic
However local Bulgarians and Moldovans must be genetically very similar to the Gagauz majority.
Well, almost monoethnic then, but the point is that they are mainly Gagauz, so it makes sense that most of them won't mix outside of their ethnicity in the autonomy. Outside of it, I personally didn't notice the same tendency.
Ion Basescul
05-25-2020, 07:52 PM
Distances for my family's updated genomes. More on this here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?323682-My-results-are-now-consistent-with-those-of-my-family).
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_brother
5.62174350
Moldova_Centre
5.65911619
Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.16193963
Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
6.16291327
Moldova_North
6.16596302
Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.23982372
Romania_Moldavia_North
6.34679447
Bosniak
6.45518396
Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
6.54481474
Serb_Serbia_West&Central
6.58044831
Serb_B&H_Krajina
6.64476486
Romania_Maramures
6.71841499
Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
6.77242202
Moldova_average
6.85895765
Croat_B&H
6.87967296
Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
7.02851336
Serb_B&H
7.17752743
Serb
7.20747529
Serb_Croatia
7.21691762
Serb_Serbia
7.43815837
Romania_Moldavia_average
7.52501163
Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
7.53738723
Hungarian_Csango
7.59179821
Bulgarian_Ruse
7.64416117
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
7.69542721
Serb_Herzegovina
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_mom
5.33507263
Moldova_North
5.42625101
Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
5.70160504
Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
5.79529487
Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.25439046
Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.49678382
Croat_B&H
6.75053331
Bosniak
6.83921048
Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
6.92196504
Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
7.01856823
Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
7.05067373
Croat_Croatia_Istria&Kvarner
7.09270047
Romania_Maramures
7.17453831
Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
7.19788163
Moldova_Centre
7.45120796
Serb_Serbia_West&Central
7.46808543
Serb_B&H
7.76884161
Croat
7.89217334
Serb_B&H_Krajina
7.94353825
Serb_Croatia
7.99834983
Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
8.07935022
Croat_Croatia
8.13494929
Croat_B&H_Bosnia
8.28671226
Serb
8.31266504
Serb_Serbia
8.38738934
Romania_Moldavia_North
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_dad
4.93850180
Moldova_North
5.09970587
Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
5.23359940
Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.81316609
Bosniak
5.84220849
Croat_B&H
5.85626161
Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.90809614
Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
5.92460969
Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.95138639
Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
6.05209485
Hungarian_Transylvania
6.10351538
Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
6.11495963
Hungarian_Csango
6.29980158
Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
6.30215043
Croat
6.37525686
Serb_B&H
6.49438989
Croat_Croatia
6.50986943
Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.54362285
Serb_B&H_Krajina
6.55726315
Serb_Serbia_West&Central
6.58344368
Hungarian_Szekely
6.61845148
Romania_Moldavia_North
6.98924889
Croat_B&H_Bosnia
7.00306362
Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
7.05762000
Serb_Croatia
7.10104922
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul
3.19439450
Hungarian_Csango
3.76641740
Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
3.77497020
Bosniak
3.78351688
Serb_B&H
3.90234545
Serb_B&H_Krajina
3.91977040
Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
3.97244912
Hungarian_Transylvania
4.00069994
Serb_Serbia_West&Central
4.01664653
Bosniak_Sarajevo
4.04984741
Hungarian_Szekely
4.09912186
Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
4.12651184
Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
4.16644933
Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
4.32584096
Serb
4.35371106
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.36539803
Romania_Maramures
4.37839012
Serb_Croatia
4.41248229
Romania_Moldavia_North
4.60164101
Croat_B&H
4.65221453
Serb_Serbia
4.73500792
Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
4.89598815
Moldova_North
4.94718102
Romania_Moldavia_average
5.00884218
Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
5.16774612
Moldova_Centre
</tbody>
Against my full list of people from Romania and Moldova, plus 15 Ukrainians from Ivano-Frankivsk.
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_dad
3.88951154
Romania_Moldavia_22
4.08118855
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_4
4.45938337
RepublicOfMoldova_North_11
4.48095972
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_21
4.56720921
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_20
4.74514489
RepublicOfMoldova_North_25
4.79573769
Romania_Moldavia_3
4.87889332
Romania_Moldavia_27
5.22934030
Romania_Moldavia_1
5.32863960
Romania_Oltenia_35
5.49770861
Romania_Oltenia_20
5.52004529
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_8
5.52821852
Romania_Moldavia_40
5.63879420
Romania_Moldavia_29
5.66210208
RepublicOfMoldova_North_10
5.69595470
RepublicOfMoldova_North_7
5.69673591
Romania_Moldavia_10
5.74258653
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_5
5.78949911
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_3
5.81780027
Romania_Moldavia_2
6.05784615
RepublicOfMoldova_North_13
6.11986111
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_7
6.14176685
Romania_Moldavia_21
6.15709347
Romania_Muntenia_23
6.17774231
RepublicOfMoldova_North_12
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_mom
3.09263642
RepublicOfMoldova_North_5
3.37624051
Romania_Moldavia_2
3.96020202
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_13
3.98743025
RepublicOfMoldova_North_15
4.50377619
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_20
4.51881622
Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk_4
4.69851040
RepublicOfMoldova_North_18
4.89379199
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_21
5.46116288
RepublicOfMoldova_North_9
5.54819791
RepublicOfMoldova_North_7
5.76857868
Romania_Moldavia_9
5.82399348
Romania_Moldavia_22
5.92371505
Romania_Moldavia_23
5.92813630
Romania_Moldavia_37
6.12053919
RepublicOfMoldova_North_2
6.25704403
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_9
6.31106172
Romania_Moldavia_7
6.41636190
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_4
6.53345238
Romania_Moldavia_4
6.60913005
RepublicOfMoldova_North_24
6.70938149
RepublicOfMoldova_North_25
6.77627479
RepublicOfMoldova_North_3
6.87385627
Romania_Maramures_1
6.90575123
Romania_Moldavia_10
6.93566868
RepublicOfMoldova_North_20
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_brother
3.73650907
Romania_Moldavia_23
4.00438510
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_21
4.08909525
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_20
4.39473549
Romania_Moldavia_2
4.40821960
Romania_Moldavia_22
4.46411245
RepublicOfMoldova_North_5
4.71109329
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_4
4.98175672
Romania_Banat_12
5.00231946
Romania_Moldavia_7
5.27604966
Romania_Oltenia_20
5.34773784
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_13
5.38462626
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_18
5.81567709
Romania_Muntenia_23
5.89730447
Romania_Maramures_2
5.96172794
Romania_Transylavnia_11
6.09519483
Romania_Moldavia_32
6.11703359
Romania_Moldavia_4
6.20378916
Romania_Dobruja_11
6.26320206
Romania_Oltenia_35
6.28848153
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_5
6.30617951
RepublicOfMoldova_North_25
6.39848420
Romania_Moldavia_28
6.40527907
Romania_Moldavia_25
6.42173653
RepublicOfMoldova_North_15
6.42376836
Romania_Moldavia_3
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul
2.53116574
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_4
2.91370898
Romania_Oltenia_35
2.96421996
Romania_Moldavia_22
3.45173869
Romania_Moldavia_10
3.50168531
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_8
3.53499646
Romania_Transylavnia_4
3.59375848
Romania_Moldavia_27
3.76771814
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_21
3.79989474
RepublicOfMoldova_North_11
3.83494459
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_5
3.92077798
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_20
4.02703365
Romania_Moldavia_28
4.11766924
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_3
4.24023584
Romania_Transylavnia_11
4.24300601
Romania_Muntenia_23
4.24583325
Romania_Moldavia_11
4.30751669
Romania_Transylavnia_34
4.34232657
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_7
4.40263557
RepublicOfMoldova_North_12
4.41646918
RepublicOfMoldova_Centre_6
4.49961109
Romania_Oltenia_20
4.57146585
Romania_Moldavia_13
4.57146585
Romania_Moldavia_19
4.60073907
Romania_Transylavnia_16
4.63842646
Romania_Crisana_7
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-04-2020, 12:06 AM
Weird surname, which barely exists (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=5028)(6 households apparently), but it seems to exist solely in towns with ethnic minorities and their suburbs. Maximovca for example is plurality ethnics.
The root doesn't mean anything in Romanian nor Russian (unless it's shortened from "берег"). The eding "-ici" is shared with South Slavs, but it also exists in Moldovan surnames.
The guy himself is Russophone and probably identifies as Russian ethnically:
BASIC INFORMATION
Gender
Male
Languages
Russian language (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Russian-language/112624162082677?eid=ARAzuWnicXBW9SC36wKP8TAWFvnqr5 pSqXlHrnO2JvzhBzi5CsSOo_qToP5e7VKyXIusJl2SooF7YEnC ) · English language (https://www.facebook.com/pages/English-language/106059522759137?eid=ARD5QGiZkKGaIGIEP2QRS9Tmd4usFi rqiqxfuCSD8jl5j8qR__SQje3lV-lOZt3czbGDTnj3xjkOKJOv)
Berghici, Chisinau, Russian mixed
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
38.39
2
North_Atlantic
21.65
3
West_Med
15.01
4
West_Asian
10.96
5
East_Med
9.43
6
Red_Sea
1.44
7
Oceanian
0.94
8
Siberian
0.77
9
East_Asian
0.71
10
Amerindian
0.71
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Moldavian
5.27
2
Croatian
6
3
Ukrainian_Lviv
8.17
4
Ukrainian
9.36
5
South_Polish
10.45
6
Ukrainian_Belgorod
11.57
7
Southwest_Russian
11.68
8
Hungarian
11.76
9
Serbian
12.29
10
Polish
12.78
11
Russian_Smolensk
13.73
12
Estonian_Polish
14.45
13
Romanian
14.72
14
Belorussian
15.45
15
East_German
15.6
16
Kargopol_Russian
15.67
17
Bulgarian
15.9
18
Austrian
15.92
19
Erzya
16.33
20
Tatar
18.82
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
81.4%
Moldavian
+
18.6%
Erzya
@
3.82
2
75.3%
Moldavian
+
24.7%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
3.86
3
85.3%
Ukrainian
+
14.7%
Armenian
@
3.87
4
85.1%
Ukrainian
+
14.9%
Georgian_Jewish
@
3.87
5
76.4%
Moldavian
+
23.6%
Southwest_Russian
@
4.04
6
85.4%
Ukrainian
+
14.6%
Assyrian
@
4.08
7
87.5%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
12.5%
Armenian
@
4.14
8
87.3%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
12.7%
Georgian_Jewish
@
4.16
9
58.7%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
41.3%
Bulgarian
@
4.18
10
85.4%
Moldavian
+
14.6%
Lithuanian
@
4.21
11
86.5%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
13.5%
Cyprian
@
4.22
12
87.5%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
12.5%
Assyrian
@
4.24
13
84.4%
Ukrainian
+
15.6%
Cyprian
@
4.25
14
80.8%
Moldavian
+
19.2%
Russian_Smolensk
@
4.26
15
83.1%
Ukrainian
+
16.9%
Turkish
@
4.3
16
86%
Ukrainian
+
14%
Kurdish_Jewish
@
4.32
17
82.1%
Moldavian
+
17.9%
Estonian_Polish
@
4.33
18
69.3%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
30.7%
Greek_Thessaly
@
4.34
19
74.3%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
25.7%
Central_Greek
@
4.35
20
83.6%
Moldavian
+
16.4%
Kargopol_Russian
@
4.36
</tbody>
Share his Dodecad please.
Ion Basescul
06-04-2020, 12:16 AM
Share his Dodecad please.
<tbody>
Population
Gedrosia
3.23 Pct
Siberian
1.97 Pct
Northwest_African
1.75 Pct
Southeast_Asian
0.71 Pct
Atlantic_Med
21.35 Pct
North_European
45.58 Pct
South_Asian
0.30 Pct
East_African
-
Southwest_Asian
4.18 Pct
East_Asian
-
Caucasus
20.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan
-
</tbody>
Target: Berghici
Distance: 1.7692% / 1.76916637 | ADC: 0.25x
61.0 R.Moldova_Centre+North
13.6 Mordovians
12.8 Bulgarians
8.2 Mixed_Slav
3.8 Bulgarian
0.6 Mozabite
Ion Basescul
06-04-2020, 12:31 AM
Target: Berghici
Distance: 1.7692% / 1.76916637 | ADC: 0.25x
61.0 R.Moldova_Centre+North
13.6 Mordovians
12.8 Bulgarians
8.2 Mixed_Slav
3.8 Bulgarian
0.6 Mozabite
Probably 1/2 Russian/Ukrainian and half Russophone Central Moldovan if I were to guess, since he doesn't know Romanian. Did I give you the average for just the centre?
https://i.imgur.com/z4lhfwQ.png
Ion Basescul
06-04-2020, 12:34 AM
Probably 1/2 Russian/Ukrainian and half Russophone Central Moldovan if I were to guess, since he doesn't know Romanian. Did I give you the average for just the centre?
https://i.imgur.com/z4lhfwQ.png
Lol, exactly that:
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm
Moldova_average,22.51,27.80,16.89,10.65,16.33,2.30 ,0.44,0.62,1.19,0.54,0.42,0.10,0.20
Moldova_Centre,21.89,29.51,16.06,10.47,16.10,1.90, 0.53,0.83,1.14,0.81,0.48,0.08,0.20
Moldova_North,25.89,33.33,14.92,8.89,11.43,1.48,0. 65,0.56,1.47,0.35,0.61,0.17,0.26
Moldova_South,21.51,24.20,18.33,11.54,18.60,2.94,0 .29,0.49,1.11,0.42,0.29,0.10,0.18
RU_Pinega,24.715,51.9425,5.045,2.815,0.3925,0.58,1 .58,0.2425,9.9575,1.9575,0.265,0.305,0.225
Russian_Smolensk,28.16,48.47,8.74,5.82,3.83,1.69,1 .38,0.17,0.85,0.43,0.38,0.06,0.01
Ukrainian,27.77,43.57,12.05,6.12,5.68,0.16,1.09,0. 91,1.41,0.78,0.28,0.11,0.07
Ukrainian_Belgorod,25.78,47.29,7.85,8.78,5.54,0.58 ,1.10,0.71,1.02,0.59,0.25,0.16,0.34
Ukrainian_Lviv,27.35,41.85,11.96,7.10,5.29,1.79,1. 20,0.39,1.36,0.82,0.75,0.00,0.13
Berghici,21.65,38.39,15.01,10.96,9.43,1.44,0,0.71, 0.77,0.71,0.94,0,0
<tbody>
Target: Berghici
Distance: 4.2483% / 4.24831148 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2
Moldova_Centre
31.0
Ukrainian_Belgorod
18.8
Ukrainian_Lviv
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-04-2020, 12:49 AM
Another person from a mixed urban Russian/Ukrainian background, but this time the surname is unambiguously Russian.
Reznikova (https://forebears.io/surnames/reznikov) (yes, this is not the husband's)
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
34.21
2
North_Atlantic
24.2
3
East_Med
15.71
4
West_Med
14.76
5
West_Asian
5.73
6
South_Asian
2.65
7
Siberian
1.54
8
Red_Sea
0.68
9
East_Asian
0.52
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Moldavian
6.07
2
Croatian
6.9
3
Serbian
7.9
4
Hungarian
9.34
5
Romanian
10.57
6
Bulgarian
12.02
7
Ukrainian_Lviv
12.03
8
South_Polish
12.62
9
Ukrainian
12.69
10
Austrian
13.79
11
East_German
14.13
12
Southwest_Russian
15.47
13
Polish
15.96
14
Ukrainian_Belgorod
16.13
15
Russian_Smolensk
17.52
16
Estonian_Polish
17.63
17
Belorussian
18.24
18
Kargopol_Russian
19.5
19
Greek_Thessaly
20.19
20
West_German
20.54
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
69.9%
Ukrainian
+
30.1%
Ashkenazi
@
2.95
2
53.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
46.5%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.23
3
74.6%
Ukrainian
+
25.4%
Italian_Jewish
@
3.24
4
52.6%
Belorussian
+
47.4%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.29
5
74.6%
Ukrainian
+
25.4%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.3
6
67.6%
Estonian_Polish
+
32.4%
Italian_Jewish
@
3.56
7
53.1%
Greek_Thessaly
+
46.9%
Lithuanian
@
3.57
8
61.6%
Estonian_Polish
+
38.4%
West_Sicilian
@
3.57
9
64.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
35.5%
South_Italian
@
3.58
10
62.3%
Estonian_Polish
+
37.7%
Ashkenazi
@
3.64
11
67.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
32.5%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.69
12
75%
Ukrainian
+
25%
Sephardic_Jewish
@
3.77
13
62.1%
Ukrainian
+
37.9%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.79
14
63.8%
Belorussian
+
36.2%
South_Italian
@
3.81
15
64.9%
Southwest_Russian
+
35.1%
West_Sicilian
@
3.81
16
76.5%
Ukrainian
+
23.5%
Tunisian_Jewish
@
3.84
17
70.4%
South_Polish
+
29.6%
Ashkenazi
@
3.85
18
52.8%
Greek_Thessaly
+
47.2%
Estonian
@
3.85
19
55.2%
Lithuanian
+
44.8%
West_Sicilian
@
3.86
20
60.2%
Bulgarian
+
39.8%
Estonian_Polish
@
3.86
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-04-2020, 01:05 AM
Another person from a mixed urban Russian/Ukrainian background, but this time the surname is unambiguously Russian.
Reznikova (https://forebears.io/surnames/reznikov) (yes, this is not the husband's)
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
34.21
2
North_Atlantic
24.2
3
East_Med
15.71
4
West_Med
14.76
5
West_Asian
5.73
6
South_Asian
2.65
7
Siberian
1.54
8
Red_Sea
0.68
9
East_Asian
0.52
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Moldavian
6.07
2
Croatian
6.9
3
Serbian
7.9
4
Hungarian
9.34
5
Romanian
10.57
6
Bulgarian
12.02
7
Ukrainian_Lviv
12.03
8
South_Polish
12.62
9
Ukrainian
12.69
10
Austrian
13.79
11
East_German
14.13
12
Southwest_Russian
15.47
13
Polish
15.96
14
Ukrainian_Belgorod
16.13
15
Russian_Smolensk
17.52
16
Estonian_Polish
17.63
17
Belorussian
18.24
18
Kargopol_Russian
19.5
19
Greek_Thessaly
20.19
20
West_German
20.54
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
69.9%
Ukrainian
+
30.1%
Ashkenazi
@
2.95
2
53.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
46.5%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.23
3
74.6%
Ukrainian
+
25.4%
Italian_Jewish
@
3.24
4
52.6%
Belorussian
+
47.4%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.29
5
74.6%
Ukrainian
+
25.4%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.3
6
67.6%
Estonian_Polish
+
32.4%
Italian_Jewish
@
3.56
7
53.1%
Greek_Thessaly
+
46.9%
Lithuanian
@
3.57
8
61.6%
Estonian_Polish
+
38.4%
West_Sicilian
@
3.57
9
64.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
35.5%
South_Italian
@
3.58
10
62.3%
Estonian_Polish
+
37.7%
Ashkenazi
@
3.64
11
67.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
32.5%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.69
12
75%
Ukrainian
+
25%
Sephardic_Jewish
@
3.77
13
62.1%
Ukrainian
+
37.9%
Greek_Thessaly
@
3.79
14
63.8%
Belorussian
+
36.2%
South_Italian
@
3.81
15
64.9%
Southwest_Russian
+
35.1%
West_Sicilian
@
3.81
16
76.5%
Ukrainian
+
23.5%
Tunisian_Jewish
@
3.84
17
70.4%
South_Polish
+
29.6%
Ashkenazi
@
3.85
18
52.8%
Greek_Thessaly
+
47.2%
Estonian
@
3.85
19
55.2%
Lithuanian
+
44.8%
West_Sicilian
@
3.86
20
60.2%
Bulgarian
+
39.8%
Estonian_Polish
@
3.86
</tbody>
She is about half Russian and half Jewish, with some local Moldovan mix in between by the looks of it or 2/4 Russian, 1/4 Moldovan/Romanian and 1/4 Jewish, which results in a slightly better fit.
<tbody>
Target: Reznikova
Distance: 4.2618% / 4.26178639
39.0
Russian_Smolensk
30.8
Ashkenazi
18.8
Ukrainian_Lviv
9.4
Moldova_Centre
2.0
RU_Pinega
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Reznikova
Distance: 4.1082% / 4.10817600
39.2
Russian_Smolensk
28.6
Moldova_North
28.2
Ashkenazi
4.0
RU_Pinega
</tbody>
Kind of like this Oracle
15 Ashkenazi + Estonian_Polish + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 3.728233
3 Ashkenazi + Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Romanian @ 3.639480
Quarter Jewish but less than 1 percent Red_Sea.
Ion Basescul
06-04-2020, 12:13 PM
Quarter Jewish but less than 1 percent Red_Sea.
I have 2 full Jews from R. Moldova and one that could be from either Moldavia or R. Moldova, and they get between 6 to 8 Red Sea. For a quarter that's normal. One percent or so probably went into East Med, if she even had it.
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Name
Origin
Test
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
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Lupu, full Ashkenazi Jewish
Either RO or MD
23andme V5
16.27
7.06
19.37
10.83
35.39
5.99
1.49
1.10
0.80
0
0.62
1.08
0
</tbody>
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Mihailovici, Chisinau, full Jewish
R. Moldova, mixed
FTDNA
16.21
5.25
17.99
11.64
37.23
7.55
0
0.11
1.59
0
0.50
1.94
0
Turcan, Chisinau, full Jewish
R. Moldova, mixed
23andme v4
15.35
7.92
16.04
11.22
38.35
7.75
0
0.81
0.30
0
0.88
1.37
0
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Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 01:39 PM
1/2 Moldovan Ukrainian (but identifies this side as Russian, since the parent is Russophone), 1/2 Central Moldovan from Chisinau
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.97
2 North_Atlantic 26.26
3 West_Med 14.46
4 East_Med 10.53
5 West_Asian 9.06
6 Red_Sea 2.04
7 Siberian 1.77
8 East_Asian 1.08
9 Amerindian 0.59
10 Sub-Saharan 0.24
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 2.5
2 Croatian 3.22
3 Hungarian 6.32
4 Serbian 7.62
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.97
6 South_Polish 9.9
7 Ukrainian 10.33
8 Austrian 10.7
9 East_German 10.95
10 Romanian 11.2
11 Bulgarian 13.32
12 Polish 13.38
13 Southwest_Russian 13.79
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.03
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.45
16 Estonian_Polish 16.04
17 Belorussian 16.66
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.56
19 West_German 18.19
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.53
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 44.3% Romanian @ 1.54
2 73.3% Ukrainian + 26.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.65
3 76.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.71
4 54.3% Serbian + 45.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.81
5 77.8% Moldavian + 22.2% Hungarian @ 1.81
6 52.1% Ukrainian + 47.9% Romanian @ 1.82
7 92.2% Moldavian + 7.8% North_Swedish @ 1.86
8 93% Croatian + 7% Nogay @ 1.87
9 92.1% Moldavian + 7.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.94
10 94% Croatian + 6% Turkish @ 1.95
11 93.3% Moldavian + 6.7% Swedish @ 1.96
12 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Norwegian @ 1.96
13 87.3% Moldavian + 12.7% Austrian @ 1.98
14 87.6% Moldavian + 12.4% East_German @ 1.98
15 77.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.8% West_Sicilian @ 1.99
16 60.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 39.9% Bulgarian @ 2
17 94% Moldavian + 6% North_Dutch @ 2.02
18 58% Serbian + 42% Ukrainian @ 2.02
19 79.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.8% South_Italian @ 2.03
20 63.1% Moldavian + 36.9% Croatian @ 2.03
<tbody>
Target: Chisinau_halfie
Distance: 2.3217% / 2.32174081 | ADC: 0.25x
51.4
Ukrainian_Lviv
30.6
Moldova_Centre
18.0
Moldova_South
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 02:37 PM
South Moldovan from Cahul
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
24.91
2
North_Atlantic
22.73
3
West_Med
19.63
4
East_Med
16.07
5
West_Asian
10.59
6
Red_Sea
1.66
7
South_Asian
1.38
8
Siberian
1.36
9
Amerindian
0.94
10
Oceanian
0.53
11
East_Asian
0.2
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Romanian
3.47
2
Bulgarian
4.42
3
Serbian
5.93
4
Moldavian
10.13
5
Greek_Thessaly
11.78
6
Croatian
13.16
7
Hungarian
13.37
8
North_Italian
15.7
9
Austrian
15.94
10
Tuscan
16.37
11
East_German
17.56
12
Italian_Abruzzo
18.15
13
Central_Greek
18.75
14
West_Sicilian
19.38
15
Ukrainian_Lviv
19.57
16
French
19.76
17
West_German
19.78
18
East_Sicilian
20.03
19
Portuguese
20.45
20
South_Polish
20.56
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
66.2%
Moldavian
+
33.8%
West_Sicilian
@
2.52
2
54%
Moldavian
+
46%
Greek_Thessaly
@
2.6
3
70%
Moldavian
+
30%
South_Italian
@
2.67
4
52.9%
Greek_Thessaly
+
47.1%
Croatian
@
2.9
5
64%
Croatian
+
36%
South_Italian
@
2.94
6
65.7%
Moldavian
+
34.3%
Central_Greek
@
3
7
95.5%
Romanian
+
4.5%
Sardinian
@
3.01
8
59.1%
Croatian
+
40.9%
Central_Greek
@
3.09
9
65%
Moldavian
+
35%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
3.1
10
62.5%
Moldavian
+
37.5%
Tuscan
@
3.13
11
67.3%
Moldavian
+
32.7%
East_Sicilian
@
3.16
12
63%
Greek_Thessaly
+
37%
Ukrainian_Lviv
@
3.16
13
52.4%
Ukrainian
+
47.6%
South_Italian
@
3.21
14
64.5%
Greek_Thessaly
+
35.5%
Ukrainian
@
3.23
15
97.4%
Romanian
+
2.6%
MA-1
@
3.24
16
54.1%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
45.9%
South_Italian
@
3.29
17
76.5%
Bulgarian
+
23.5%
Moldavian
@
3.29
18
85.4%
Bulgarian
+
14.6%
East_German
@
3.29
19
89.9%
Romanian
+
10.1%
Moldavian
@
3.3
20
98.7%
Romanian
+
1.3%
Ket
@
3.35
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Cahul
Distance: 2.9295% / 2.92954596 | ADC: 0.25x
81.2
Moldova_South
17.4
Moldova_North
1.4
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0
Moldova_average
0.0
Ashkenazi
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 03:05 PM
Moldovan from Ungheni, similar to the few samples from the region that I have.
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Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
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Surname, Ungheni
21.68
26.21
19.78
10.56
18.48
1.17
0
0.30
0.83
0
1.00
0
0
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Surname, Hincesti
18.71
29.10
18.39
10.79
14.63
4.48
0
0.85
0
2.02
0.74
0.25
0
</tbody>
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Surname, Ungheni
18.73
29.21
15.46
10.82
21.13
0.92
0.39
0
0.68
0.23
1.70
0
0.72
</tbody>
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MOL-008, Stefan Voda
18.42
25.95
16.17
15.44
17.84
3.82
0.56
0.56
0
1.25
0
0
0
MOL-015, Stefan Voda
18.27
19.97
19.01
15.32
19.44
4.68
0.12
1.50
0.68
0.54
0
0
0.48
</tbody>
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<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
28.32
2
North_Atlantic
20.97
3
West_Med
16.75
4
West_Asian
15.15
5
East_Med
13.12
6
South_Asian
1.75
7
East_Asian
1.32
8
Red_Sea
1.01
9
Amerindian
0.79
10
Sub-Saharan
0.52
11
Oceanian
0.3
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Romanian
7.31
2
Moldavian
7.93
3
Bulgarian
7.96
4
Serbian
8.05
5
Croatian
11.45
6
Hungarian
13.22
7
Greek_Thessaly
15.96
8
Austrian
16.47
9
Ukrainian_Lviv
17.02
10
East_German
17.66
11
South_Polish
18.35
12
Ukrainian
18.42
13
Ukrainian_Belgorod
20.93
14
North_Italian
21.2
15
Southwest_Russian
21.21
16
Tatar
21.55
17
Polish
21.62
18
West_German
21.65
19
Tuscan
21.73
20
Italian_Abruzzo
21.95
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
84.5%
Moldavian
+
15.5%
Armenian
@
2.9
2
85.9%
Moldavian
+
14.1%
Abhkasian
@
3.22
3
85.2%
Moldavian
+
14.8%
Georgian
@
3.23
4
78.6%
Croatian
+
21.4%
Armenian
@
3.37
5
81.6%
Moldavian
+
18.4%
Turkish
@
3.41
6
84.8%
Moldavian
+
15.2%
Georgian_Jewish
@
3.48
7
84.6%
Moldavian
+
15.4%
Kurdish
@
3.59
8
85.2%
Moldavian
+
14.8%
Assyrian
@
3.69
9
83.1%
Moldavian
+
16.9%
Azeri
@
3.74
10
74.5%
Croatian
+
25.5%
Turkish
@
3.77
11
84.3%
Moldavian
+
15.7%
Ossetian
@
3.91
12
81.8%
Moldavian
+
18.2%
Kumyk
@
3.92
13
83.4%
Moldavian
+
16.6%
Adygei
@
3.93
14
83.1%
Moldavian
+
16.9%
Balkar
@
3.98
15
85.1%
Moldavian
+
14.9%
Iranian
@
4.02
16
80.5%
Croatian
+
19.5%
Abhkasian
@
4.04
17
79.5%
Croatian
+
20.5%
Georgian
@
4.11
18
78.9%
Croatian
+
21.1%
Georgian_Jewish
@
4.12
19
86.2%
Moldavian
+
13.8%
Kurdish_Jewish
@
4.12
20
84.3%
Moldavian
+
15.7%
North_Ossetian
@
4.25
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Ungheni
Distance: 5.4772% / 5.47718185 | ADC: 0.25x
67.8
Moldova_Centre
15.2
Moldova_average
8.2
Moldova_North
4.8
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
4.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_South
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0
Ashkenazi
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_North
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0
Romania_Muntenia
0.0
Romanian_Oltenia
0.0
Romania_Transylvania
0.0
Romanian_Wallachia
0.0
Romania_Dobruja
0.0
Romania_Maramures
0.0
Romania_Crisana
0.0
Romania_Banat
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 03:32 PM
Moldovan from Chisinau with roots from all over the country and beyond.
1/4 Ungheni, 1/4 Edinet, 1/4 Taraclia, 1/4 Izmail (Budjak, Ukraine); all gp are Moldovan/Romanian.
This person has higher East Med than the regional averages, so part of the ancestry is confused as Jewish.
We have samples with this amount of East Med already though, both academic and collected by myself.
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Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
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Moldova_747_R02C02_Centre-North
23.29
32.20
12.93
7.08
18.01
0.79
1.47
0
0.85
2.61
0
0
0.77
</tbody>
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Surname, Ungheni
18.73
29.21
15.46
10.82
21.13
0.92
0.39
0
0.68
0.23
1.70
0
0.72
</tbody>
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MOL-015, Stefan Voda
18.27
19.97
19.01
15.32
19.44
4.68
0.12
1.50
0.68
0.54
0
0
0.48
MOL-024, Stefan Voda
19.84
23.81
19.67
11.16
19.93
3.16
0
0.00
1.21
0.29
0.52
0
0.40
MOL-058, Stefan Voda
22.08
23.50
19.95
9.57
19.50
3.24
0
1.74
0.34
0
0.08
0
0
MOL-064, Stefan Voda
16.91
24.06
20.61
12.07
23.58
0
0.52
0
1.03
0
0.29
0.45
0.50
MOL-065, Stefan Voda
20.23
23.81
21.69
7.85
19.98
3.35
0
0
2.91
0
0.19
0
0
MOL-066, Stefan Voda
21.08
28.93
14.78
9.89
19.66
4.48
0.57
0.61
0
0
0
0
0
MOL-067, Stefan Voda
21.23
24.68
15.16
12.29
20.35
3.67
0
0
2.38
0
0.25
0
0
</tbody>
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Surname, Cahul (dad)
22.29
23.14
18.52
9.30
22.34
0.76
0
0.51
1.65
0.89
0.23
0.38
0
</tbody>
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R. Moldova, old Eurogenes 9
19.26
30.07
16.76
10.77
19.17
0.73
0
1.55
0.08
0.73
0.87
0
0
</tbody>
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Surname, Chisinau
23.81
23.27
14.12
11.32
20.34
2.44
1.16
0
1.02
1.44
0
0.50
0.58
</tbody>
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Surname, Ungheni
21.68
26.21
19.78
10.56
18.48
1.17
0
0.30
0.83
0
1.00
0
0
</tbody>
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#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
31.56
2
East_Med
20.8
3
North_Atlantic
19.22
4
West_Med
14.31
5
West_Asian
7.79
6
Red_Sea
2.34
7
South_Asian
2.05
8
Amerindian
1.08
9
Siberian
0.46
10
East_Asian
0.39
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Bulgarian
8.73
2
Romanian
9.07
3
Serbian
9.39
4
Moldavian
10.39
5
Croatian
12.67
6
Hungarian
14.73
7
Greek_Thessaly
15.66
8
Ukrainian_Lviv
17.77
9
Ukrainian
18.63
10
South_Polish
18.84
11
Austrian
19.09
12
East_German
20.07
13
Southwest_Russian
20.44
14
Ukrainian_Belgorod
20.86
15
Polish
21.86
16
Central_Greek
22.45
17
Tuscan
22.46
18
Russian_Smolensk
22.9
19
Italian_Abruzzo
23
20
North_Italian
23.05
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
53.4%
Southwest_Russian
+
46.6%
Ashkenazi
@
3.34
2
54.7%
Ashkenazi
+
45.3%
Lithuanian
@
3.36
3
52.9%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
47.1%
Ashkenazi
@
3.61
4
50.3%
Estonian_Polish
+
49.7%
Ashkenazi
@
3.62
5
60.3%
Southwest_Russian
+
39.7%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.71
6
60.8%
Estonian_Polish
+
39.2%
Cyprian
@
3.72
7
50.5%
Russian_Smolensk
+
49.5%
Ashkenazi
@
3.87
8
60.5%
Southwest_Russian
+
39.5%
Italian_Jewish
@
4
9
60.2%
Belorussian
+
39.8%
Cyprian
@
4.02
10
59.8%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
40.2%
Algerian_Jewish
@
4.04
11
50.4%
Ashkenazi
+
49.6%
Belorussian
@
4.11
12
69.5%
Ukrainian
+
30.5%
Lebanese_Christian
@
4.11
13
52.3%
Lithuanian
+
47.7%
Algerian_Jewish
@
4.11
14
69%
Ukrainian
+
31%
Samaritan
@
4.17
15
55.9%
Lithuanian
+
44.1%
Cyprian
@
4.21
16
60%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
40%
Italian_Jewish
@
4.31
17
57.3%
Estonian_Polish
+
42.7%
Algerian_Jewish
@
4.33
18
52.5%
Lithuanian
+
47.5%
Italian_Jewish
@
4.38
19
55.8%
Ukrainian
+
44.2%
Ashkenazi
@
4.45
20
68.9%
Ukrainian
+
31.1%
Lebanese_Druze
@
4.46
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Sinitaru
Distance: 5.4619% / 5.46191114 | ADC: 0.25x
66.4
Moldova_Centre
19.0
Ashkenazi
8.8
Russian_Smolensk
5.8
RU_Pinega
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_South
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Moldova_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_North
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0
Romania_Muntenia
0.0
Romanian_Oltenia
0.0
Romania_Transylvania
0.0
Romanian_Wallachia
0.0
Romania_Dobruja
0.0
Romania_Maramures
0.0
Romania_Crisana
0.0
Romania_Banat
</tbody>
andre
06-13-2020, 03:49 PM
I have 2 full Jews from R. Moldova and one that could be from either Moldavia or R. Moldova, and they get between 6 to 8 Red Sea. For a quarter that's normal. One percent or so probably went into East Med, if she even had it.
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Name
Origin
Test
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
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Lupu, full Ashkenazi Jewish
Either RO or MD
23andme V5
16.27
7.06
19.37
10.83
35.39
5.99
1.49
1.10
0.80
0
0.62
1.08
0
</tbody>
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Mihailovici, Chisinau, full Jewish
R. Moldova, mixed
FTDNA
16.21
5.25
17.99
11.64
37.23
7.55
0
0.11
1.59
0
0.50
1.94
0
Turcan, Chisinau, full Jewish
R. Moldova, mixed
23andme v4
15.35
7.92
16.04
11.22
38.35
7.75
0
0.81
0.30
0
0.88
1.37
0
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Those moldovan jews are ashkenazi?
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 03:59 PM
Those moldovan jews are ashkenazi?
The first is Ashkenazi, but I'm not sure on what kind of Jewish identity the other two took. If I'm not mistaken, we have/had only Ashkenazis here, so probably that.
https://newsmaker.md/ro/cum-a-devenit-moldova-o-casa-comuna-pentru-diferite-popoare-partea-intai-targul-evreiesc/
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 04:11 PM
This person has higher East Med than the regional averages, so part of the ancestry is confused as Jewish.
The answer is simple:
1/4 Taraclia, 1/4 Izmail (Budjak, Ukraine)
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 04:17 PM
The answer is simple:
They are still unmixed going by paper trail and there are others from outside those regions with this amount of East Med. This person is also on the lower end of West Asian, compared to the other 13 samples with similar East Med profiles from Moldova. So I doubt that it's that simple, i.e. the more South one goes, the more East Med they should expect.
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 04:25 PM
They are still unmixed going by paper trail and there are others from outside those regions with this amount of East Med. This person is also on the lower end of West Asian, compared to the other 13 samples with similar East Med profiles from Moldova. So I doubt that it's that simple, i.e. the more South one goes, the more East Med they should expect.
This person have tipical mixed results, high Baltic and high East Med. Half of his ancestry is from Gagauz/Bulgarian territory.
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 04:38 PM
This person have tipical mixed results, high Baltic and high East Med. Half of his ancestry is from Gagauz/Bulgarian territory.
According to your logic, the others that are not even close to Taraclia/Gaguzia are mixed with Gagauz and Bulgarians too. Applying the same logic, one could say that those in the North are mixed with Ukrainians, in cases when there are no Ukrainian surnames in the family.
You are very thick, amigo.
Vasile Sinițar, b. 1884, Boghenii Vechi, Ungheni, Moldova, d. 11 MAR 1954, Ploiesti, Prahova, Romania
/
Alexandru Sinițaru, b. 11 FEB 1917, Chisinau, Chisinau, Moldova, d. 27 OCT 2003, Cîmpina, Prahova, Romania
/ \
| Maria Constantin, b. 1885, Edinet, Moldova, d. 09 FEB 1956, Ploiesti, Prahova, Romania
/
HIDDEN HIDDEN, b. HIDDEN, HIDDEN
\
| Pavel Voinov, b. 26 AUG 1892, Cairaclia, Taraclia, Moldova, d. 1959
\ /
Claudia Voinov, b. 5 Apr 1923, Izmayil, Odessa, Ukraine, d. 07 feb 1994, Cîmpina, Prahova, Romania
\
Evdochia Alexandrova, b. 04 MAR 1902, Izmayil, Odessa, Ukraine, d. 1977
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 04:46 PM
d. 11 MAR 1954, Ploiesti, Prahova, Romania
d. 27 OCT 2003, Cîmpina, Prahova, Romania
d. 09 FEB 1956, Ploiesti, Prahova, Romania
d. 07 feb 1994, Cîmpina, Prahova, Romania
Explain please.
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 04:48 PM
Double.
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 04:49 PM
:confused:
They died there... Emigration from Moldova is not a new thing.
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 05:00 PM
I was right, judging by surnames. And yes, if Gagauz/Bulgarians have such effect in southern parts, same goes in northern parts too. Plus people move, I know plenty of people in my town with ancestry from Cahul and other southern parts, including minorities from that area. Who knows what kind of results they will have, after I saw how different people from South are from people from central and northern parts of the country.
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 05:08 PM
I was right, judging by surnames. And yes, if Gagauz/Bulgarians have such effect in southern parts, same goes in northern parts too. Plus people move, I know plenty of people in my town with ancestry from Cahul and other southern parts, including minorities from that area. Who knows what kind of results they will have, after I saw how different people from South are from people from central and northern parts of the country.
You were not right judging by the surnames.
Voinov is a surname shared in Moldova, Russia and Ukraine.
Alexandrov/Alexandrova is a surname that is 7 times more popular in Moldova than in Romania and 14 times nore popular in Moldova than in Bulgaria.
The only reason I disclosed them was just to prove your ignorance.
1/2 Moldovan Ukrainian (but identifies this side as Russian, since the parent is Russophone), 1/2 Central Moldovan from Chisinau
What about their Dodecad? You can always add it to your posts, at least when someone is part Russian/Ukrainian because I do follow this thread with interest.
Voinov and Aleksandrov are super Russian surnames.
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 05:14 PM
You were not right judging by the surnames.
Voinov is a surname shared in Moldova, Russia and Ukraine.
Alexandrov/Alexandrova is a surname that is 7 times more popular in Moldova than in Romania and 14 times nore popular in Moldova than in Bulgaria.
The only reason I disclosed them was just to prove your ignorance.
Both surnames exist in Bulgaria, so you didn't prove anything.
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 05:16 PM
Both surnames exist in Bulgaria, so you didn't prove anything.
Thicker than a brick wall.
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 05:27 PM
Thicker than a brick wall.
Definitely
https://forebears.io/surnames/aleksandrova
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 05:32 PM
Definitely
https://forebears.io/surnames/aleksandrova
Definitely, because it's not Aleksandrova, but Alexandrova since they are not transliterated from Cyrillic. I'm sure the actual bearers of this surname wrote it correctly on GEDmatch. You are being pedantic, just for the sake of it, while at the same time not contributing at all.
https://forebears.io/surnames/alexandrov
https://forebears.io/surnames/alexandrova
There is no strict transliteration rules in Russian-speaking countries, some may prefer Aleksandr and others would use the Western cognate Alexander if their name is Александр.
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 05:54 PM
Definitely, because it's not Aleksandrova, but Alexandrova since they are not transliterated from Cyrillic. I'm sure the actual bearers of this surname wrote it correctly on GEDmatch. You are being pedantic, just for the sake of it, while at the same time not contributing at all.
https://forebears.io/surnames/alexandrov
https://forebears.io/surnames/alexandrova
Is a simple moldovenisation/romanisation of these surnames.
Same as this one: https://forebears.io/surnames/voynov
Сheckmate.
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 07:06 PM
Is a simple moldovenisation/romanisation of these surnames.
Same as this one: https://forebears.io/surnames/voynov
Сheckmate.
Huimate, I'm doing a rokirovka, so there isn't any mate, let alone checkmate.
I can understand that those also exist in Bulgaria.
But I still insist on two things:
1) If the person themself claims that all 4gp are Moldovan/Romanian, then they know better.
2) If they spelt them a Alexandrova and Voinov, which are both more popular in Moldova and Romania than Bulgaria, then they also know better.
But at the end of the day, this argument that you've started is useless when trying to prove that their East Med is caused by Bulgarians, because autosomally Bessarabian Bulgarians fit within the South Moldovan continuum.
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F. Name
Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
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Leto donat
Bessarabian Bulgarian
22.13
22.19
17.51
12.44
19.22
4.36
0.31
0
1.73
0
0.13
0
0
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Aspirin
06-13-2020, 07:15 PM
Huimate
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TameDismalGalapagoshawk-size_restricted.gif
vbnetkhio
06-13-2020, 07:26 PM
Moldovan from Chisinau with roots from all over the country and beyond.
1/4 Ungheni, 1/4 Edinet, 1/4 Taraclia, 1/4 Izmail (Budjak, Ukraine); all gp are Moldovan/Romanian.
This person has higher East Med than the regional averages, so part of the ancestry is confused as Jewish.
We have samples with this amount of East Med already though, both academic and collected by myself.
+-5 from the average is within the normal range for an ethnic group.
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 07:38 PM
+-5 from the average is within the normal range for an ethnic group.
Yep
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 07:44 PM
There is no strict transliteration rules in Russian-speaking countries, some may prefer Aleksandr and others would use the Western cognate Alexander if their name is Александр.
This is what I want to say, in Cyrilic these surnames will be the same both in Russian and Bulgarian, the difeerence will be in the Latin transliteration, Voynov/Voinov or Alexandrova/Aleksandrova. This guy just have very laughable arguments trying to prove what this individual have no Bulgarian origin, when half of his ancestry is from heavy Bulgarian populated region, which is seen in his surnames from this side. Plus his results are specific for a mixed person, I already posted here an individual with similar results and background.
Well, full Bulgarians are ca. 20 percent East Med on average.
By the way, how much EM does the person get on K15?
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 07:54 PM
This is what I want to say, in Cyrilic these surnames will be the same both in Russian and Bulgarian, the difeerence will be in the Latin transliteration, Voynov/Voinov or Alexandrova/Aleksandrova. This guy just have very laughable arguments trying to prove what this individual have no Bulgarian origin, when half of his ancestry is from heavy Bulgarian populated region, which is seen in his surnames from this side. Plus his results are specific for a mixed person, I already posted here an individual with similar results and background.
Tell that to them and not to me. They are the ones who claim that their gp identify as Moldovans/Romanians. If they chose the Romance version when transliterating then to me personally it is quite believable that they were indeed Romance speakers, which most Bulgarians/Gagauz aren't natively. The fact that they also settled and died in Romania only adds credence to that, because a random Bulgarian from Izmail won't speak a shroud of Romanian in the early 20th century. But you choose to believe in your own version, because you can't accept being wrong. I don't need to convince you, as if that changes anything.
Well, full Bulgarians are ca. 20 percent East Med on average.
By the way, how much EM does the person get on K15?
18%
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
20.01
2
North_Sea
17.89
3
East_Med
17.6
4
Eastern_Euro
12.78
5
West_Med
12.04
6
Atlantic
8.18
7
West_Asian
6.85
8
South_Asian
2.05
9
Red_Sea
1.85
10
Amerindian
0.73
11
Southeast_Asian
0.03
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Romanian
9.55
2
Moldavian
10.19
3
Bulgarian
10.27
4
Serbian
10.28
5
Croatian
13.03
6
Hungarian
13.24
7
Greek_Thessaly
13.44
8
Greek
15.86
9
Austrian
16.1
10
Ukrainian_Lviv
16.11
11
Ukrainian
16.96
12
South_Polish
17.63
13
East_German
18.84
14
Ashkenazi
18.96
15
Ukrainian_Belgorod
19.72
16
Tuscan
19.99
17
Southwest_Russian
20.19
18
Central_Greek
20.19
19
Polish
20.25
20
Russian_Smolensk
20.44
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
70%
Ukrainian
+
30%
Lebanese_Christian
@
5.05
2
69.3%
Ukrainian
+
30.7%
Samaritan
@
5.05
3
66.2%
Ukrainian
+
33.8%
Cyprian
@
5.2
4
70%
Ukrainian
+
30%
Lebanese_Druze
@
5.25
5
64.8%
Ukrainian
+
35.2%
Libyan_Jewish
@
5.37
6
71.4%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
28.6%
Lebanese_Christian
@
5.54
7
70.7%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
29.3%
Samaritan
@
5.55
8
67.6%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
32.4%
Cyprian
@
5.57
9
71.3%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
28.7%
Lebanese_Druze
@
5.6
10
66.2%
Greek_Thessaly
+
33.8%
Lithuanian
@
5.63
11
66.2%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
33.8%
Libyan_Jewish
@
5.67
12
65.1%
Greek_Thessaly
+
34.9%
Erzya
@
5.77
13
56.8%
Greek_Thessaly
+
43.2%
Ukrainian
@
5.87
14
61.5%
Greek_Thessaly
+
38.5%
Southwest_Russian
@
5.94
15
65.7%
Greek_Thessaly
+
34.3%
Estonian
@
5.96
16
82%
Moldavian
+
18%
Lebanese_Druze
@
5.97
17
55.4%
Greek_Thessaly
+
44.6%
Ukrainian_Lviv
@
6.07
18
61%
Greek_Thessaly
+
39%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
6.13
19
53.2%
Ukrainian
+
46.8%
Ashkenazi
@
6.17
20
81.8%
Moldavian
+
18.2%
Samaritan
@
6.2
</tbody>
Aspirin
06-13-2020, 08:28 PM
Tell that to them and not to me. They are the ones who claim that their gp identify as Moldovans/Romanians. If they chose the Romance version when transliterating then to me personally it is quite believable that they were indeed Romance speakers, which most Bulgarians/Gagauz aren't natively. The fact that they also settled and died in Romania only adds credence to that, because a random Bulgarian from Izmail won't speak a shroud of Romanian in the early 20th century. But you choose to believe in your own version, because you can't accept being wrong. I don't need to convince you, as if that changes anything.
Did I say something about his ethnic identity? I don't have any problem if he identified himself as Moldavian or Romanian, he can be even Greek genetically. But don't try to fool me with such pathetic arguments, when he have such a screaming background. Most of my arguments allways make sence, because of my deep knowledge of local history. Similar discussion was regarding Daos results when you desperately trying do prove how southern his moldavian side was, when his father bassically have same results like him, with minor differences.
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 09:48 PM
Did I say something about his ethnic identity? I don't have any problem if he identified himself as Moldavian or Romanian, he can be even Greek genetically. But don't try to fool me with such pathetic arguments, when he have such a screaming background. Most of my arguments allways make sence, because of my deep knowledge of local history. Similar discussion was regarding Daos results when you desperately trying do prove how southern his moldavian side was, when his father bassically have same results like him, with minor differences.
Anyone who's pathetically trying to convince anyone here is you, mate, for refusing to believe what people tell you about themselves.
I didn't try desperately, I made simple claims, which turned out to be true. Daos' dad, despite being half North Moldovan from Drochia and half Polish, scores like some of my full unadmixed North Moldovans (sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic). His Moldovan side must be Central or even South Moldovan-like.
Don't pretend to me that you understand what you are talking about.
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Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
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Mihailova (born Gobjila), Balti (mom)
28.97
31.72
14.36
5.12
13.53
2.10
0.74
1.39
1.35
0
0.72
0
0
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Stropsa, Rezina
28.97
34.84
12.39
7.67
12.05
0.73
0.44
0
1.37
0
0.51
0.71
0.34
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Cosuleanu, Ocnita
25.71
33.18
17.93
8.07
10.11
2.87
0.67
0
1.40
0
0
0
0
</tbody>
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<tbody>
Moldova_748_R02C02_Centre-North
28.04
32.24
15.49
6.59
13.52
1.22
0.08
0
2.23
0.42
0.17
0
0
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Daos_dad, 1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Polish
22.11
39.39
12.60
7.73
8.94
2.67
3.34
0.58
0.76
1.18
0.69
0
0
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Target: Daos_Dad_50Polish_50Drochia
Distance: 4.6729% / 4.67291671 | ADC: 0.25x
57.2
Polish
34.2
Moldova_Centre
5.4
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
3.2
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Moldova_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_North
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0
Romania_Muntenia
0.0
Romanian_Oltenia
0.0
Romania_Transylvania
0.0
Romanian_Wallachia
0.0
Romania_Dobruja
0.0
Romania_Maramures
0.0
Romania_Crisana
0.0
Romania_Banat
0.0
South_Polish
</tbody>
Daos777
06-13-2020, 10:09 PM
Anyone who's pathetically trying to convince anyone here is you, mate, for refusing to believe what people tell you about themselves.
I didn't try desperately, I made simple claims, which turned out to be true. Daos' dad, despite being half North Moldovan from Drochia and half Polish, scores like some of my full unadmixed North Moldovans (sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic). His Moldovan side must be Central or even South Moldovan-like.
Don't pretend to me that you understand what you are talking about.
Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
Mihailova (born Gobjila), Balti (mom)
28.97
31.72
14.36
5.12
13.53
2.10
0.74
1.39
1.35
0
0.72
0
0
Stropsa, Rezina
28.97
34.84
12.39
7.67
12.05
0.73
0.44
0
1.37
0
0.51
0.71
0.34
Cosuleanu, Ocnita
25.71
33.18
17.93
8.07
10.11
2.87
0.67
0
1.40
0
0
0
0
Moldova_748_R02C02_Centre-North
28.04
32.24
15.49
6.59
13.52
1.22
0.08
0
2.23
0.42
0.17
0
0
Daos_dad, 1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Polish
22.11
39.39
12.60
7.73
8.94
2.67
3.34
0.58
0.76
1.18
0.69
0
0
My Moldovan side is pure Vlacho-Illyrian. That’s why I’m E-V13 haha.
Are you going to create a plot for all these Moldovan samples? It would be interesting to see.
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Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 10:11 PM
My Moldovan side is pure Vlacho-Illyrian. That’s why I’m E-V13 haha.
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Your Moldovan side is beautiful. I don't see anything wrong about it being slightly Southern for Drochia and surrounds, compared to Aspirin.
It's Southern at the moment compared to the limited amount of samples that I have. But I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be typical.
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 10:16 PM
My Moldovan side is pure Vlacho-Illyrian. That’s why I’m E-V13 haha.
Are you going to create a plot for all these Moldovan samples? It would be interesting to see.
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Yes, eventually I will. I'm even thinking of starting a project like the Turkish members (https://turkishdnaproject.com/) from Anthrogenica have, which should accelerate the gathering of regional samples. Not anytime soon though. Got to finish some personal work firstly.
Ion Basescul
06-13-2020, 10:53 PM
Central Moldovan; Half Ialoveni, half Chisinau
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
32.32
2
North_Atlantic
20.89
3
East_Med
15.52
4
West_Med
13.89
5
West_Asian
10.56
6
Red_Sea
3.55
7
East_Asian
1.31
8
Siberian
1.19
9
Oceanian
0.49
10
Sub-Saharan
0.27
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Moldavian
6.1
2
Serbian
7.4
3
Romanian
8.63
4
Croatian
9
5
Bulgarian
9.38
6
Hungarian
11.71
7
Ukrainian_Lviv
14.02
8
Ukrainian
15.33
9
South_Polish
15.42
10
Austrian
16.1
11
East_German
17.01
12
Southwest_Russian
17.42
13
Ukrainian_Belgorod
17.55
14
Greek_Thessaly
17.81
15
Polish
18.54
16
Russian_Smolensk
19.71
17
Tatar
19.96
18
Estonian_Polish
20.23
19
Belorussian
20.87
20
Kargopol_Russian
21.5
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
71.5%
Ukrainian
+
28.5%
Cyprian
@
1.83
2
74.5%
Ukrainian
+
25.5%
Lebanese_Christian
@
1.87
3
73.3%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
26.7%
Cyprian
@
1.94
4
76.2%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
23.8%
Lebanese_Christian
@
2.05
5
74.1%
Ukrainian
+
25.9%
Samaritan
@
2.06
6
59.4%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
40.6%
East_Sicilian
@
2.11
7
58.5%
Southwest_Russian
+
41.5%
Central_Greek
@
2.17
8
58.3%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
41.7%
Central_Greek
@
2.21
9
72.2%
Ukrainian
+
27.8%
Lebanese_Muslim
@
2.28
10
59.6%
Southwest_Russian
+
40.4%
East_Sicilian
@
2.32
11
66%
Russian_Smolensk
+
34%
Cyprian
@
2.36
12
75.8%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
24.2%
Samaritan
@
2.37
13
65.9%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
34.1%
Algerian_Jewish
@
2.38
14
67.4%
Polish
+
32.6%
Cyprian
@
2.45
15
62.4%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
37.6%
South_Italian
@
2.46
16
50.4%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
49.6%
Greek_Thessaly
@
2.61
17
50.8%
Central_Greek
+
49.2%
Lithuanian
@
2.61
18
62.6%
Southwest_Russian
+
37.4%
South_Italian
@
2.62
19
66%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
+
34%
Sephardic_Jewish
@
2.69
20
72.4%
Ukrainian
+
27.6%
Syrian
@
2.69
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: L
Distance: 3.1361% / 3.13609981 | ADC: 0.25x
89.2
Moldova_Centre
7.8
Russian_Smolensk
1.6
RU_Pinega
1.4
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Moldova_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_North
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0
Romania_Muntenia
0.0
Romanian_Oltenia
0.0
Romania_Transylvania
0.0
Romanian_Wallachia
0.0
Romania_Dobruja
0.0
Romania_Maramures
0.0
Romania_Crisana
0.0
Romania_Banat
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-14-2020, 02:48 PM
Rare find from Ukrainian Bukovina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiany)
They are Romanians, but also have Ukrainian surnames in the family tree (Dimiancuk, Moscaliuc, Moskaluk, Moskal, Krokosh).
5/8 Romanian and 3/8 Ukrainian according to the surnames
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
39.44
2
North_Atlantic
22.57
3
East_Med
14.99
4
West_Med
13.22
5
West_Asian
4.79
6
Red_Sea
1.85
7
Siberian
1.79
8
South_Asian
1.09
9
East_Asian
0.26
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Croatian
7.73
2
Moldavian
8.23
3
Ukrainian_Lviv
9.88
4
Ukrainian
10.17
5
South_Polish
10.93
6
Southwest_Russian
11.72
7
Hungarian
11.97
8
Serbian
12.41
9
Ukrainian_Belgorod
12.63
10
Polish
13.35
11
Estonian_Polish
13.92
12
Russian_Smolensk
14.04
13
Belorussian
14.59
14
Romanian
15.15
15
Kargopol_Russian
16.13
16
Bulgarian
16.25
17
East_German
16.29
18
Austrian
16.58
19
Erzya
17
20
Lithuanian
18.99
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
70.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
29.5%
Ashkenazi
@
3.35
2
63.4%
Lithuanian
+
36.6%
Ashkenazi
@
3.47
3
74.6%
Estonian_Polish
+
25.4%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.51
4
68%
Lithuanian
+
32%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.62
5
74.8%
Estonian_Polish
+
25.2%
Italian_Jewish
@
3.74
6
77%
Estonian_Polish
+
23%
Cyprian
@
3.89
7
68.2%
Lithuanian
+
31.8%
Italian_Jewish
@
3.9
8
73.8%
Belorussian
+
26.2%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.92
9
69.7%
Belorussian
+
30.3%
Ashkenazi
@
3.95
10
78.2%
Southwest_Russian
+
21.8%
Algerian_Jewish
@
3.97
11
74.5%
Southwest_Russian
+
25.5%
Ashkenazi
@
4.03
12
76.3%
Estonian_Polish
+
23.7%
Tunisian_Jewish
@
4.13
13
78.4%
Southwest_Russian
+
21.6%
Italian_Jewish
@
4.17
14
78.9%
Estonian_Polish
+
21.1%
Samaritan
@
4.25
15
75.2%
Estonian_Polish
+
24.8%
Sephardic_Jewish
@
4.27
16
76.2%
Belorussian
+
23.8%
Cyprian
@
4.28
17
64.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
35.5%
Greek_Thessaly
@
4.29
18
70.7%
Russian_Smolensk
+
29.3%
Ashkenazi
@
4.3
19
76.5%
Estonian_Polish
+
23.5%
Libyan_Jewish
@
4.3
20
79.3%
Estonian_Polish
+
20.7%
Lebanese_Christian
@
4.31
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Cernauti
Distance: 455.7863% / 4.55786269 | ADC: 0.25x
84.0
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.4
Ashkenazi
7.6
RU_Pinega
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Moldova_South
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Romania_Banat
0.0
Romania_Crisana
0.0
Romania_Dobruja
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Romania_Maramures
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_North
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0
Romania_Muntenia
0.0
Romania_Transylvania
0.0
Romanian_Oltenia
0.0
Romanian_Wallachia
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Cernauti
Distance: 674.4464% / 6.74446352 | ADC: 0.25x
50.6
Ukrainian
49.4
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Moldova_South
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_North
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-14-2020, 03:13 PM
From Straseni
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
29.71
2
North_Atlantic
23.18
3
East_Med
18.19
4
West_Med
14.61
5
West_Asian
10.27
6
Siberian
1.18
7
Red_Sea
1.01
8
Amerindian
0.69
9
South_Asian
0.63
10
Oceanian
0.52
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Serbian
5.08
2
Romanian
5.45
3
Bulgarian
6.49
4
Moldavian
7.61
5
Croatian
10.26
6
Hungarian
11.05
7
Austrian
15.14
8
Greek_Thessaly
15.19
9
Ukrainian_Lviv
16.25
10
East_German
16.47
11
South_Polish
16.95
12
Ukrainian
17.33
13
Southwest_Russian
19.82
14
Ukrainian_Belgorod
20.1
15
North_Italian
20.45
16
West_German
20.46
17
Polish
20.49
18
Tuscan
20.68
19
Italian_Abruzzo
21.67
20
Tatar
21.92
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
76%
Bulgarian
+
24%
Southwest_Russian
@
1.82
2
78.7%
Bulgarian
+
21.3%
Belorussian
@
1.92
3
57.2%
Southwest_Russian
+
42.8%
South_Italian
@
2.06
4
78.5%
Bulgarian
+
21.5%
Estonian_Polish
@
2.07
5
76.5%
Bulgarian
+
23.5%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
2.1
6
81.8%
Bulgarian
+
18.2%
Lithuanian
@
2.11
7
56.7%
Greek_Thessaly
+
43.3%
Southwest_Russian
@
2.13
8
81.6%
Bulgarian
+
18.4%
Estonian
@
2.19
9
78.3%
Bulgarian
+
21.7%
Russian_Smolensk
@
2.23
10
82.1%
Bulgarian
+
17.9%
East_Finnish
@
2.25
11
57.1%
Greek_Thessaly
+
42.9%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
2.33
12
52.7%
Southwest_Russian
+
47.3%
Central_Greek
@
2.34
13
79.7%
Bulgarian
+
20.3%
Kargopol_Russian
@
2.35
14
68.4%
South_Polish
+
31.6%
Cyprian
@
2.36
15
81.7%
Bulgarian
+
18.3%
Finnish
@
2.36
16
51.1%
Central_Greek
+
48.9%
Belorussian
@
2.42
17
80.5%
Bulgarian
+
19.5%
Erzya
@
2.47
18
74.1%
Bulgarian
+
25.9%
Ukrainian
@
2.51
19
80.7%
Croatian
+
19.3%
Lebanese_Druze
@
2.53
20
51.1%
South_Italian
+
48.9%
Lithuanian
@
2.54
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Straseni
Distance: 292.9517% / 2.92951713 | ADC: 0.25x
93.0
Moldova_Centre
4.0
Ashkenazi
2.8
Russian_Smolensk
0.2
Moldova_North
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_South
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Straseni
3.12565193
Moldova_Centre
7.28162757
Moldova_South
8.30576908
Moldova_North
9.45310531
Gagauz
18.69369947
Ukrainian_Lviv
19.88320145
Ukrainian
25.26777790
Russian_Smolensk
26.68197332
Crimean_Tatar
27.48605647
Ashkenazi
28.63126787
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
32.25621616
RU_Pinega
35.58248305
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-14-2020, 03:31 PM
From Ocnita
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
29.2
2
North_Atlantic
25.95
3
West_Med
17.32
4
East_Med
11.62
5
West_Asian
9.88
6
Red_Sea
2.8
7
East_Asian
1.67
8
Oceanian
0.73
9
Amerindian
0.53
10
Siberian
0.24
11
Sub-Saharan
0.06
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Serbian
4.44
2
Moldavian
5.26
3
Romanian
7.37
4
Croatian
7.47
5
Hungarian
8.15
6
Bulgarian
9.6
7
Austrian
10.99
8
East_German
12.21
9
Ukrainian_Lviv
13.8
10
South_Polish
14.69
11
Ukrainian
15.26
12
West_German
16.85
13
Greek_Thessaly
17.9
14
Polish
18.11
15
South_Dutch
18.21
16
French
18.51
17
Southwest_Russian
19
18
Ukrainian_Belgorod
19.1
19
North_Italian
19.29
20
Russian_Smolensk
20.42
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
80.1%
Moldavian
+
19.9%
North_Italian
@
2.22
2
83.3%
Moldavian
+
16.7%
Spanish_Extremadura
@
2.54
3
84.4%
Moldavian
+
15.6%
Spanish_Andalucia
@
2.58
4
82.2%
Moldavian
+
17.8%
Tuscan
@
2.59
5
84.1%
Moldavian
+
15.9%
Spanish_Murcia
@
2.68
6
82.6%
Moldavian
+
17.4%
Portuguese
@
2.7
7
84.7%
Moldavian
+
15.3%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
@
2.73
8
83.8%
Moldavian
+
16.2%
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
@
2.79
9
82.8%
Moldavian
+
17.2%
Spanish_Galicia
@
2.79
10
77.2%
Croatian
+
22.8%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
2.81
11
84.3%
Moldavian
+
15.7%
Spanish_Valencia
@
2.82
12
86.2%
Moldavian
+
13.8%
Spanish_Aragon
@
2.89
13
83.5%
Moldavian
+
16.5%
Spanish_Cataluna
@
2.9
14
78.4%
Croatian
+
21.6%
West_Sicilian
@
2.94
15
56.7%
Serbian
+
43.3%
Moldavian
@
2.94
16
75.5%
Croatian
+
24.5%
Tuscan
@
2.97
17
85%
Moldavian
+
15%
Spanish_Cantabria
@
3
18
61%
Ukrainian_Lviv
+
39%
Tuscan
@
3.06
19
80.9%
Croatian
+
19.1%
South_Italian
@
3.1
20
78.3%
Croatian
+
21.7%
Central_Greek
@
3.14
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Ocnita
Distance: 345.6652% / 3.45665246 | ADC: 0.25x
64.2
Moldova_North
35.8
Romanian_Oltenia
0.0
Ashkenazi
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Moldova_South
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Romania_Banat
0.0
Romania_Crisana
0.0
Romania_Dobruja
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_North
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0
Romania_Muntenia
0.0
Romania_Transylvania
0.0
Romanian_Wallachia
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Ocnita
Distance: 365.5218% / 3.65521807 | ADC: 0.25x
71.4
Moldova_North
28.6
Moldova_South
0.0
Ashkenazi
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Ocnita
5.37236447
Moldova_North
6.43111188
Moldova_Centre
9.98462819
Moldova_South
13.70108390
Gagauz
15.61895323
Ukrainian_Lviv
17.24484851
Ukrainian
23.08459010
Russian_Smolensk
27.18540417
Crimean_Tatar
28.55230288
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
30.84898266
RU_Pinega
31.93269484
Ashkenazi
37.64369270
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Ocnita
5.37236447
Moldova_North
5.82825017
Romania_Crisana
6.06113851
Romania_Moldavia_North
6.14087942
Romania_Moldavia_average
6.43111188
Moldova_Centre
6.59431573
Romania_Moldavia_South
7.11619983
Romania_Transylvania
7.90888741
Romanian_Oltenia
8.97362803
Romania_Banat
8.97532729
Romanian_Wallachia
9.95034673
Romania_Dobruja
9.98462819
Moldova_South
10.22351212
Romania_Muntenia
13.70108390
Gagauz
15.61895323
Ukrainian_Lviv
17.24484851
Ukrainian
23.08459010
Russian_Smolensk
27.18540417
Crimean_Tatar
28.55230288
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
30.84898266
RU_Pinega
31.93269484
Ashkenazi
37.64369270
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-14-2020, 03:46 PM
1/2 Suceava, 1/2 Neamt
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
30.39
2
North_Atlantic
23.25
3
East_Med
15.45
4
West_Med
14.82
5
West_Asian
11.44
6
Siberian
2.95
7
Northeast_African
1.16
8
East_Asian
0.28
9
South_Asian
0.23
10
Oceanian
0.03
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Serbian
5.89
2
Moldavian
6.19
3
Romanian
6.93
4
Bulgarian
8.32
5
Croatian
9.18
6
Hungarian
10.33
7
Austrian
14.49
8
Ukrainian_Lviv
14.86
9
East_German
15.6
10
South_Polish
15.64
11
Ukrainian
15.93
12
Greek_Thessaly
17.08
13
Southwest_Russian
18.53
14
Ukrainian_Belgorod
18.76
15
Polish
19.25
16
Tatar
19.5
17
West_German
20.17
18
Russian_Smolensk
20.89
19
Estonian_Polish
21.38
20
North_Italian
21.51
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
73.5%
Bulgarian
+
26.5%
Kargopol_Russian
@
2.59
2
78.2%
Romanian
+
21.8%
Erzya
@
2.63
3
74.5%
Bulgarian
+
25.5%
Erzya
@
2.78
4
77.1%
Bulgarian
+
22.9%
East_Finnish
@
2.88
5
77.9%
Romanian
+
22.1%
Kargopol_Russian
@
3.09
6
70.3%
Bulgarian
+
29.7%
Southwest_Russian
@
3.13
7
76.7%
Bulgarian
+
23.3%
Finnish
@
3.17
8
70.7%
Bulgarian
+
29.3%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
3.24
9
75%
Romanian
+
25%
Southwest_Russian
@
3.34
10
77.1%
Bulgarian
+
22.9%
Estonian
@
3.35
11
75.3%
Romanian
+
24.7%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
3.4
12
67.3%
Bulgarian
+
32.7%
Ukrainian
@
3.43
13
73.3%
Bulgarian
+
26.7%
Russian_Smolensk
@
3.56
14
77.7%
Bulgarian
+
22.3%
Lithuanian
@
3.56
15
73.7%
Bulgarian
+
26.3%
Estonian_Polish
@
3.56
16
67%
Bulgarian
+
33%
South_Polish
@
3.58
17
59.8%
Moldavian
+
40.2%
Bulgarian
@
3.59
18
74.3%
Bulgarian
+
25.7%
Belorussian
@
3.6
19
65.8%
Bulgarian
+
34.2%
Ukrainian_Lviv
@
3.6
20
55.8%
Southwest_Russian
+
44.2%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
3.61
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
50Suceava_50Neamt
3.51139573
Romania_Moldavia_North
3.85959842
Moldova_Centre
4.64655787
Romania_Moldavia_average
5.93043843
Romania_Moldavia_South
6.47079593
Romania_Transylvania
6.63220928
Romania_Crisana
6.66813317
Moldova_North
7.01755655
Romania_Banat
7.43063927
Romanian_Oltenia
7.59624907
Romanian_Wallachia
8.08949319
Romania_Muntenia
8.14365397
Romania_Dobruja
8.78007403
Moldova_South
11.43859257
Gagauz
16.96068984
Ukrainian_Lviv
18.19062671
Ukrainian
23.76362346
Russian_Smolensk
24.98601409
Crimean_Tatar
26.53810656
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
29.91342675
Ashkenazi
30.31954949
RU_Pinega
36.32821080
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
50Suceava_50Neamt
3.51139573
Romania_Moldavia_North
4.64655787
Romania_Moldavia_average
5.93043843
Romania_Moldavia_South
6.47079593
Romania_Transylvania
6.63220928
Romania_Crisana
7.01755655
Romania_Banat
7.43063927
Romanian_Oltenia
7.59624907
Romanian_Wallachia
8.08949319
Romania_Muntenia
8.14365397
Romania_Dobruja
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: 50Suceava_50Neamt
Distance: 255.9031% / 2.55903142 | ADC: 0.25x
92.0
Romania_Moldavia_North
5.4
RU_Pinega
2.4
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.2
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Ashkenazi
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Moldova_South
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Romania_Banat
0.0
Romania_Crisana
0.0
Romania_Dobruja
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0
Romania_Muntenia
0.0
Romania_Transylvania
0.0
Romanian_Oltenia
0.0
Romanian_Wallachia
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: 50Suceava_50Neamt
Distance: 351.1396% / 3.51139573 | ADC: 0.25x
100.0
Romania_Moldavia_North
0.0
Romania_Banat
0.0
Romania_Crisana
0.0
Romania_Dobruja
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_average
0.0
Romania_Moldavia_South
0.0
Romania_Muntenia
0.0
Romania_Transylvania
0.0
Romanian_Oltenia
0.0
Romanian_Wallachia
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-14-2020, 04:50 PM
Romanian Jew, 1/2 Bacau, 1/2 Iasi
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
East_Med
36.19
2
North_Atlantic
17.12
3
West_Med
16.54
4
West_Asian
11.62
5
Baltic
8.54
6
Red_Sea
6.5
7
Siberian
1.03
8
Oceanian
0.96
9
South_Asian
0.62
10
Amerindian
0.54
11
Sub-Saharan
0.34
12
East_Asian
0.01
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Ashkenazi
3.73
2
Italian_Jewish
7.42
3
East_Sicilian
7.43
4
Sephardic_Jewish
7.46
5
South_Italian
7.95
6
Central_Greek
8.47
7
Algerian_Jewish
9.03
8
West_Sicilian
9.52
9
Italian_Abruzzo
9.97
10
Tunisian_Jewish
10.57
11
Libyan_Jewish
11.67
12
Greek_Thessaly
12.55
13
Cyprian
14.52
14
Tuscan
15.18
15
Lebanese_Muslim
17.24
16
Syrian
18.4
17
Lebanese_Druze
19.28
18
Samaritan
19.61
19
Palestinian
19.63
20
Jordanian
20.1
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
91%
Ashkenazi
+
9%
Lebanese_Druze
@
3.22
2
78.3%
Ashkenazi
+
21.7%
Sephardic_Jewish
@
3.22
3
94.3%
Ashkenazi
+
5.7%
Iranian_Jewish
@
3.43
4
94.5%
Ashkenazi
+
5.5%
Kurdish_Jewish
@
3.45
5
82.6%
Ashkenazi
+
17.4%
Italian_Jewish
@
3.46
6
92.9%
Ashkenazi
+
7.1%
Lebanese_Muslim
@
3.5
7
88.7%
Ashkenazi
+
11.3%
Tunisian_Jewish
@
3.5
8
94.2%
Ashkenazi
+
5.8%
Lebanese_Christian
@
3.51
9
95%
Ashkenazi
+
5%
Assyrian
@
3.51
10
94.1%
Ashkenazi
+
5.9%
Palestinian
@
3.52
11
96%
Ashkenazi
+
4%
Armenian
@
3.55
12
95.9%
Ashkenazi
+
4.1%
Georgian_Jewish
@
3.55
13
96.5%
Ashkenazi
+
3.5%
Kurdish
@
3.56
14
96.7%
Ashkenazi
+
3.3%
Iranian
@
3.58
15
96.9%
Ashkenazi
+
3.1%
Yemenite_Jewish
@
3.58
16
94.7%
Ashkenazi
+
5.3%
Syrian
@
3.58
17
96.2%
Ashkenazi
+
3.8%
Azeri
@
3.59
18
95.1%
Ashkenazi
+
4.9%
Samaritan
@
3.59
19
93.6%
Ashkenazi
+
6.4%
Cyprian
@
3.6
20
95.9%
Ashkenazi
+
4.1%
Turkish
@
3.62
</tbody>
Rare find from Ukrainian Bukovina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiany)
They are Romanians, but also have Ukrainian surnames in the family tree (Dimiancuk, Moscaliuc, Moskaluk, Moskal, Krokosh).
5/8 Romanian and 3/8 Ukrainian according to the surnames
Dodecad?
Ion Basescul
06-17-2020, 11:39 PM
Just a post on IncelSlayer, whom I didn't know, but some guys said that he was from Galati.
If he was then his autosomal profile was quite atypical compared to the other galateni that I managed to gather so far.
He is the one that's highlighted.
https://i.imgur.com/CDE9lo1.png
Just a post on IncelSlayer, whom I didn't know, but some guys said that he was from Galati.
If he was then his autosomal profile was quite atypical compared to the other galateni that I managed to gather so far.
He is the one that's highlighted.
https://i.imgur.com/CDE9lo1.png
Something is fishy about that guy. I know he has lot of east Slavic matches on 23andme. There was a rumor his mother is Slovak also.
He is extremelly anti-Slavic btw.
I have Incel's Dodecad
Population
Gedrosia 1.08
Siberian 0.39
Northwest_African 2.07
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.55
North_European 48.35
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.89
East_Asian 1.16
Caucasus 16.51
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: IncelSlayer
3.92736553 Hungarians
6.84915323 Croat
7.87817872 Bosnian
8.92890811 R.Moldova_Centre+North
9.56792036 Sorb_Lusatia
9.63155751 Ukrainian
10.96348941 HUN_Szekely
11.42939631 Serb
11.65831034 German
12.00991257 PL_Mazovia
Target: IncelSlayer
Distance: 3.0251% / 3.02513933 | ADC: 0.25x
85.8 Hungarians
8.2 Mixed_Slav
3.2 Bulgarians
2.8 Moroccan
Ion Basescul
06-17-2020, 11:53 PM
Something is fishy about that guy. I know he has lot of east Slavic matches on 23andme. There was a rumor his mother is Slovak also.
He is extremelly anti-Slavic btw.
Some Lipovans settled along Prut, on both sides of the river, while most continued over to the Danube Delta. Maybe he's a descendant of them, without knowing.
Ion Basescul
06-18-2020, 05:46 PM
I made a neighbour joining tree for the samples in this database for R. Moldova and Romania's Moldavia. The image might be a bit small, so don't hesitate to save or open it in a new tab and zoom in.
Two big clusters can be identified, a Northern cluster in the lower half and a Southern one in the upper.
Legend:
R. Moldova
Brown - samples collected from the North
Crimson - Centre
Pink - South
Romanian Moldavia
Dark blue - North
Blue - South
All
Black - samples of mixed ancestry
I put some coloured dots next to my family, just for my viewing pleasure. I am close to my dad for example, while my brother to my mom.
https://i.postimg.cc/6WsTLmw2/test-MD2.jpg
The Galati sample that sticks out in the lower half is IncelSlayer.
vbnetkhio
06-18-2020, 05:54 PM
BF4159843 < this one seems Moldovan, do you have it?
vbnetkhio
06-18-2020, 07:22 PM
I made a neighbour joining tree for the samples in this database for R. Moldova and Romania's Moldavia. The image might be a bit small, so don't hesitate to save or open it in a new tab and zoom in.
Two big clusters can be identified, a Northern cluster in the lower half and a Southern one in the upper.
Serbs also get divided into these 2 clusters in this algorithm:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6478176&viewfull=1#post6478176
but Serbs actually plot on a long continuous Slavic-Paleo-Balkanic spectrum, a PCA shows this better than the tree clustering.
Ion Basescul
06-18-2020, 07:32 PM
BF4159843 < this one seems Moldovan, do you have it?
Could be according to the surname, but it's hard to tell without confirmation. I've asked them.
vbnetkhio
06-18-2020, 07:39 PM
Could be according to the surname, but it's hard to tell without confirmation. I've asked them.
CV6447782 this is the one i posted in the Wallachian thread
Ion Basescul
06-18-2020, 07:50 PM
CV6447782 this is the one i posted in the Wallachian thread
He is from Iasi. Even though he now lives in Cernica, you can see that when he was much younger he went to lyceum in Iasi.
vbnetkhio
06-18-2020, 07:52 PM
He is from Iasi. Even though he now lives in Cernica, you can see that when he was much younger he went to lyceum in Iasi.
i just found his articles about Cernica so i guessed he's from there. is his result normal for a pure Romanian from Iasi?
Ion Basescul
06-18-2020, 07:55 PM
i just found his articles about Cernica. is his result normal for a pure Romanian from Iasi?
I have only 6 kits from Iasi, but he scores like one person from there (the first one in this screenshot).
https://i.imgur.com/Vj0ASY4.png
Aspirin
06-19-2020, 07:18 AM
i just found his articles about Cernica so i guessed he's from there. is his result normal for a pure Romanian from Iasi?
I think he is just a Wallachian who studied in Iași. His birthplace seems to be this village where he went to school:https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%A2nganu,_Ilfov
Scandal
06-19-2020, 07:36 AM
I have Incel's Dodecad
Population
Gedrosia 1.08
Siberian 0.39
Northwest_African 2.07
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.55
North_European 48.35
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.89
East_Asian 1.16
Caucasus 16.51
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: IncelSlayer
3.92736553 Hungarians
6.84915323 Croat
7.87817872 Bosnian
8.92890811 R.Moldova_Centre+North
9.56792036 Sorb_Lusatia
9.63155751 Ukrainian
10.96348941 HUN_Szekely
11.42939631 Serb
11.65831034 German
12.00991257 PL_Mazovia
Target: IncelSlayer
Distance: 3.0251% / 3.02513933 | ADC: 0.25x
85.8 Hungarians
8.2 Mixed_Slav
3.2 Bulgarians
2.8 Moroccan
What % of Romanians score like him? I've never seen any. Which region is he from?
What % of Romanians score like him? I've never seen any. Which region is he from?
I don't know. Probably some East Slavic admix. He is more Northern than most Romanians and Moldovans yet that dipshit would say disparaging things about Northern Europeans as if he was some kind of Mediterranean supremacist.
Ion Basescul
06-19-2020, 10:42 AM
Another interpretation of the data from me.
NE + NW Europe = N_Atlantic + Baltic
East + West Med = East Med + West Med
NW Asia/Caucasus = West Asian
SW Asia/Arabia = Red Sea + NE African
East Asia/Siberia = East Asian + Siberian + Amerindian
India = South Asian
Legend:
Romania
Dark blue = Northern Moldavia
Light blue = Southern Moldavia
Dark grey = Mixed individuals
R. Moldova
Dark orange = Norther Moldova
Yellow = Central Moldova
Greenish Yellow = Southern Moldova
Light grey - Mixed individuals
Sorted by NE + NW Europe:
https://i.postimg.cc/xf9nJ0fC/image.png
Sorted by East + West Med
https://i.postimg.cc/VmmGxd75/image.png
Sorted by NW Asia/Caucasus
https://i.postimg.cc/zzYSTc63/image.png
Sorted by SW Asia/Arabia
https://i.postimg.cc/4Z5bhw5N/image.png
Sorted by East Asia/Siberia
https://i.postimg.cc/qkxgZDgN/image.png
Sorted by India
https://i.postimg.cc/NtNRsLf5/image.png
Ion Basescul
06-19-2020, 11:05 AM
Another interpretation of the data from me.
NE + NW Europe = N_Atlantic + Baltic
East + West Med = East Med + West Med
NW Asia/Caucasus = West Asian
SW Asia/Arabia = Red Sea + NE African
East Asia/Siberia = East Asian + Siberian + Amerindian
India = South Asian
Min and Max values for unmixed people from R. Moldova:
38% - 64% NE + NW Europe
24% - 44% East + West Med
5% - 15% NW Asia/Caucasus
0% - 5% SW Asia/Arabia
0% - 5% East Asia/Siberia
0% - 4% India
Min and Max values for unmixed people from Romania's Moldavia (without IncelSlayer aka 53_Galati):
45% - 60% NE + NW Europe
23% - 41% East + West Med
4% - 14% NW Asia/Caucasus
0% - 4% SW Asia/Arabia
1% - 4% East Asia/Siberia
0% - 4% India
Ion Basescul
06-19-2020, 11:16 AM
Min and Max values for unmixed people from R. Moldova:
38% - 64% NE + NW Europe
24% - 44% East + West Med
5% - 15% NW Asia/Caucasus
0% - 5% SW Asia/Arabia
0% - 5% East Asia/Siberia
0% - 4% India
Min and Max values for unmixed people from Romania's Moldavia (without IncelSlayer aka 53_Galati):
45% - 60% NE + NW Europe
23% - 41% East + West Med
4% - 14% NW Asia/Caucasus
0% - 4% SW Asia/Arabia
1% - 4% East Asia/Siberia
0% - 4% India
Averages for unmixed people from R. Moldova:
53%, or 54% (if we ignore the Stefan Voda samples with 38% and 41% and start counting from the 3 Stefan Voda samples at 44%) NE + NW Europe
31% East + West Med
10% NW Asia/Caucasus
2% SW Asia/Arabia
2% East Asia/Siberia
1% India
Averages for unmixed people from Romania's Moldavia (without IncelSlayer aka 53_Galati):
52% NE + NW Europe
32% East + West Med
10% NW Asia/Caucasus
2% SW Asia/Arabia
2% East Asia/Siberia
1% India
Ion Basescul
06-19-2020, 11:21 AM
Min and Max values for unmixed people from R. Moldova:
38% - 64% NE + NW Europe
24% - 44% East + West Med
5% - 15% NW Asia/Caucasus
0% - 5% SW Asia/Arabia
0% - 5% East Asia/Siberia
0% - 4% India
Min and Max values for unmixed people from Romania's Moldavia (without IncelSlayer aka 53_Galati):
45% - 60% NE + NW Europe
23% - 41% East + West Med
4% - 14% NW Asia/Caucasus
0% - 4% SW Asia/Arabia
1% - 4% East Asia/Siberia
0% - 4% India
Min and Max values for all samples (mixed and unmixed) from R. Moldova:
19% - 77% NE + NW Europe
11% - 55% East + West Med
2% - 28% NW Asia/Caucasus
0% - 9% SW Asia/Arabia
0% - 5% East Asia/Siberia
0% - 25% India
Min and Max values for all samples (mixed and unmixed) from Romania's Moldavia:
26% - 65% NE + NW Europe
23% - 53% East + West Med
4% - 14% NW Asia/Caucasus
0% - 7% SW Asia/Arabia
1% - 4% East Asia/Siberia
0% - 6% India
Ion Basescul
06-19-2020, 11:25 AM
Averages for unmixed people from R. Moldova:
53%, or 54% (if we ignore the samples with 38% and 41% and start counting from the 3 samples at 44%) NE + NW Europe
31% East + West Med
10% NW Asia/Caucasus
2% SW Asia/Arabia
2% East Asia/Siberia
1% India
Averages for unmixed people from Romania's Moldavia (without IncelSlayer aka 53_Galati):
52% NE + NW Europe
32% East + West Med
10% NW Asia/Caucasus
2% SW Asia/Arabia
2% East Asia/Siberia
1% India
Averages for all samples (mixed and unmixed) from R. Moldova:
54% NE + NW Europe
29% East + West Med
10% NW Asia/Caucasus
2% SW Asia/Arabia
2% East Asia/Siberia
1% India
Averages for all samples (mixed and unmixed) from Romania's Moldavia:
52% NE + NW Europe
32% East + West Med
10% NW Asia/Caucasus
2% SW Asia/Arabia
2% East Asia/Siberia
1% India
Ion Basescul
06-21-2020, 11:57 PM
These samples that I previously had attributed to Suceava county are actually from Hunedoara county in Transylvania, following their confirmation. The rare surname outside of Suceava had me confused.
https://i.imgur.com/Z9tgm6F.png
The remaining unmixed samples from Suceava are:
https://i.imgur.com/LbprouP.png
Mingle
06-22-2020, 12:07 AM
What % of Romanians score like him? I've never seen any. Which region is he from?
I think people from North Moldova (whether Romanian Moldova or the Republic of Moldova) score similar to him. He's from South Moldova though.
Mingle
06-22-2020, 12:16 AM
These samples that I previously had attributed to Suceava county are actually from Hunedoara county in Transylvania, following their confirmation. The rare surname outside of Suceava had me confused.
https://i.imgur.com/Z9tgm6F.png
The remaining unmixed samples from Suceava are:
https://i.imgur.com/LbprouP.png
I have the Eurogenes K13 coordinates of a few more. I'm not sure if they're already in your database. I don't have their kit numbers right now (will take a while to search for them), but have their K13 results saved.
Romanian_Suceava_A,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0. 08,1.2,1.01,1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36
Romanian_Vaslui_A,23.46,28.78,17.1,9.49,15.08,2.33 ,0.19,0.1,2.35,0.58,0.56,0,0
Romanian_Vaslui_B,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.04,3.0 1,0.55,0.08,2.86,0,0,0,0
One or both of the Vaslui kits are from Nurzat (so you may already have them), don't remember exactly. I also posted a few more Romanian and Moldovan results in the original "South Slavic and Neighbors" thread, but they're going to take a while to find since its a huge thread. I will try to dig up them all up later this week.
Ion Basescul
06-22-2020, 09:29 AM
I have the Eurogenes K13 coordinates of a few more. I'm not sure if they're already in your database. I don't have their kit numbers right now (will take a while to search for them), but have their K13 results saved.
Romanian_Suceava_A,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0. 08,1.2,1.01,1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36
Romanian_Vaslui_A,23.46,28.78,17.1,9.49,15.08,2.33 ,0.19,0.1,2.35,0.58,0.56,0,0
Romanian_Vaslui_B,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.04,3.0 1,0.55,0.08,2.86,0,0,0,0
One or both of the Vaslui kits are from Nurzat (so you may already have them), don't remember exactly. I also posted a few more Romanian and Moldovan results in the original "South Slavic and Neighbors" thread, but they're going to take a while to find since its a huge thread. I will try to dig up them all up later this week.
Thanks, I have them all. The first one are Nurzat's results btw, so half Ukrainian, half Vaslui.
Ion Basescul
06-22-2020, 02:07 PM
Half Jewish/half Moldovan from Chisinau
Surname of a blondie politician from a certain political party in Moldova.
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
East_Med
25.98
2
North_Atlantic
18.03
3
West_Med
17.63
4
Baltic
15.81
5
West_Asian
12.17
6
Red_Sea
5.79
7
South_Asian
1.72
8
Northeast_African
1.38
9
Oceanian
1.31
10
Siberian
0.17
11
Amerindian
0.01
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Greek_Thessaly
4.03
2
Central_Greek
7.57
3
East_Sicilian
8.05
4
Italian_Abruzzo
8.53
5
West_Sicilian
9.56
6
Ashkenazi
9.6
7
Bulgarian
10.39
8
South_Italian
11.64
9
Tuscan
11.68
10
Romanian
12.4
11
Sephardic_Jewish
16.18
12
Algerian_Jewish
16.32
13
Italian_Jewish
16.32
14
Serbian
16.35
15
North_Italian
16.41
16
Tunisian_Jewish
19.32
17
Libyan_Jewish
19.62
18
Cyprian
21.82
19
Moldavian
22.02
20
Turkish
22.55
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
83.1%
East_Sicilian
+
16.9%
Belorussian
@
2.11
2
81.8%
East_Sicilian
+
18.2%
Southwest_Russian
@
2.13
3
84.6%
East_Sicilian
+
15.4%
Lithuanian
@
2.16
4
82.7%
East_Sicilian
+
17.3%
Russian_Smolensk
@
2.19
5
82%
East_Sicilian
+
18%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
2.19
6
82.9%
East_Sicilian
+
17.1%
Estonian_Polish
@
2.2
7
65.8%
Bulgarian
+
34.2%
Libyan_Jewish
@
2.25
8
53.3%
Tunisian_Jewish
+
46.7%
Moldavian
@
2.27
9
57.8%
Sephardic_Jewish
+
42.2%
Moldavian
@
2.34
10
65.5%
Bulgarian
+
34.5%
Tunisian_Jewish
@
2.35
11
84.6%
East_Sicilian
+
15.4%
Estonian
@
2.37
12
84.7%
East_Sicilian
+
15.3%
East_Finnish
@
2.41
13
83.4%
East_Sicilian
+
16.6%
Kargopol_Russian
@
2.41
14
61.5%
Romanian
+
38.5%
Libyan_Jewish
@
2.46
15
84.5%
East_Sicilian
+
15.5%
Finnish
@
2.5
16
80.2%
East_Sicilian
+
19.8%
Ukrainian_Lviv
@
2.5
17
61.2%
Romanian
+
38.8%
Tunisian_Jewish
@
2.5
18
83.7%
East_Sicilian
+
16.3%
Erzya
@
2.51
19
82.3%
East_Sicilian
+
17.7%
Polish
@
2.52
20
81%
East_Sicilian
+
19%
Ukrainian
@
2.58
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: 1/2Jewish_1/2Moldovan
Distance: 2.6677% / 2.66769918 | ADC: 0.25x
50.4
Ashkenazi
45.0
Moldova_South
4.6
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: 1/2Jewish_1/2Moldovan
Distance: 2.4092% / 2.40915811 | ADC: 0.25x
47.8
Moldova_South
39.4
Ashkenazi
8.6
Sephardic_Jewish
4.2
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-24-2020, 03:01 PM
Moldovan Bulgarian from Cantemir (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=2121)district
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.47
2 West_Med 19.61
3 East_Med 17.82
4 Baltic 17.09
5 West_Asian 13.66
6 Red_Sea 2.93
7 South_Asian 2.64
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Siberian 0.69
10 Sub-Saharan 0.15
11 Oceanian 0.14
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.52
2 Bulgarian 7.65
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.34
4 Tuscan 10.83
5 Serbian 11.03
6 North_Italian 11.47
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.76
8 Central_Greek 13.74
9 West_Sicilian 13.75
10 East_Sicilian 14.98
11 Moldavian 16.9
12 South_Italian 17.43
13 Portuguese 17.72
14 Ashkenazi 18.13
15 Spanish_Extremadura 18.13
16 Hungarian 18.17
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.35
18 French 18.62
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.27
20 Austrian 19.33
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.6% Central_Greek + 38.4% East_German @ 3.75
2 55.5% South_Italian + 44.5% East_German @ 3.87
3 59% Central_Greek + 41% Austrian @ 3.88
4 59.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.3% Moldavian @ 3.92
5 80.2% Greek_Thessaly + 19.8% Irish @ 3.98
6 63.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 36.4% Croatian @ 4.05
7 80.7% Greek_Thessaly + 19.3% West_Scottish @ 4.1
8 52.7% South_Italian + 47.3% Austrian @ 4.13
9 70.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 29.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.16
10 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% Orcadian @ 4.18
11 79.9% Greek_Thessaly + 20.1% Southwest_English @ 4.2
12 74.6% Greek_Thessaly + 25.4% South_Dutch @ 4.21
13 73.3% Greek_Thessaly + 26.7% West_German @ 4.23
14 78.6% Greek_Thessaly + 21.4% North_German @ 4.23
15 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% North_Dutch @ 4.3
16 65.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.1% East_German @ 4.31
17 80% Greek_Thessaly + 20% Danish @ 4.31
18 71.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 28.6% Ukrainian @ 4.33
19 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% Norwegian @ 4.33
20 69.9% Central_Greek + 30.1% Swedish @ 4.34
Aspirin
06-24-2020, 05:54 PM
Moldovan Bulgarian from Cantemir (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=2121)district
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.47
2 West_Med 19.61
3 East_Med 17.82
4 Baltic 17.09
5 West_Asian 13.66
6 Red_Sea 2.93
7 South_Asian 2.64
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Siberian 0.69
10 Sub-Saharan 0.15
11 Oceanian 0.14
So low Baltic?
Ion Basescul
06-24-2020, 08:12 PM
So low Baltic?
Yes, but the results make sense if you consider the sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic. And in that case they also correspond to those of the other Moldovan Bulgarian that Leto donated.
https://i.imgur.com/vf5jGaR.png
In any case, the guy is from there. I reached out to him because he was matching some Moldovans from my database and he confirmed that.
On an unrelated note, I managed to get the Stefan Voda samples on GEDmatch and I can confirm three things:
1. They are from the same village, as on average the relation between them is 70cM, meaning 4th cousins or at great-great-grandparent level, which is something expected in a small village.
2. They are not Gagauz, as they don't match the 10 academic Gagauz and the others that I have.
3. They are Moldovan, even the most Southern one, as they match people that I already have. I've compared only the 4 most autosomally Southern ones for now, as it's a tedious manual process, but I'll analyse all of them eventually.
For example, the most Southern guy from Stefan Voda - MOL-15, and Moldovan from R. Moldova in general considering the samples that I have, is a match for: one of the Eurogenes samples that you gave me and I labelled Eurogenes_1 (CM2678489), person from Balti, Straseni, Ocnita and Ungheni. Surprisingly for me, they did not match the samples from Causeni, Cimislia or the 1/4 one from Taraclia. I didn't expect to match with Cahul samples since they are kind of far away, but I checked just in case since autosomally they score similarly. However, they are not related.
https://i.imgur.com/TqNYQIz.png
Aspirin
06-24-2020, 08:31 PM
Yes, but the results make sense if you consider the sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic. And in that case they also correspond to those of the other Moldovan Bulgarian that Leto donated.
https://i.imgur.com/vf5jGaR.png
In any case, the guy is from there. I reached out to him because he was matching some Moldovans from my database and he confirmed that.
He is very southern judging by Oracle.
vbnetkhio
06-24-2020, 08:40 PM
Yes, but the results make sense if you consider the sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic. And in that case they also correspond to those of the other Moldovan Bulgarian that Leto donated.
https://i.imgur.com/vf5jGaR.png
In any case, the guy is from there. I reached out to him because he was matching some Moldovans from my database and he confirmed that.
On an unrelated note, I managed to get the Stefan Voda samples on GEDmatch and I can confirm three things:
1. They are from the same village, as on average the relation between them is 70cM, meaning 4th cousins or at great-great-grandparent level, which is something expected in a small village.
2. They are not Gagauz, as they don't match the 10 academic Gagauz and the others that I have.
3. They are Moldovan, even the most Southern one, as they match people that I already have. I've compared only the 4 most autosomally Southern ones for now, as it's a tedious manual process, but I'll analyse all of them eventually.
For example, the most Southern guy from Stefan Voda - MOL-15, and Moldovan from R. Moldova in general considering the samples that I have, is a match for: one of the Eurogenes samples that you gave me and I labelled Eurogenes_1 (CM2678489), person from Balti, Straseni, Ocnita and Ungheni. Surprisingly for me, they did not match the samples from Causeni, Cimislia or the 1/4 one from Taraclia. I didn't expect to match with Cahul samples since they are kind of far away, but I checked just in case since autosomally they score similarly. However, they are not related.
https://i.imgur.com/TqNYQIz.png
did you check these? is any of them even Moldovan?
CM2678489 Moldavian
ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1
CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
QY8192067 moldavian_V48759
JR2297171 moldavian_V49937
also, there is another set of 12 academic Gagauz here:
https://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/
Ion Basescul
06-24-2020, 08:42 PM
Ukrainian from Floresti
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
Baltic
43.59
2
North_Atlantic
29.08
3
West_Med
11.28
4
East_Med
8.26
5
West_Asian
4.32
6
South_Asian
1.73
7
Amerindian
0.99
8
Sub-Saharan
0.45
9
Oceanian
0.3
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Ukrainian
3.55
2
South_Polish
3.67
3
Ukrainian_Lviv
4.78
4
Polish
4.78
5
Southwest_Russian
6.21
6
Russian_Smolensk
6.69
7
Estonian_Polish
6.7
8
Belorussian
7.13
9
Ukrainian_Belgorod
7.15
10
Croatian
8.29
11
Kargopol_Russian
11.2
12
Estonian
11.22
13
Lithuanian
11.5
14
Hungarian
11.57
15
Moldavian
11.67
16
Southwest_Finnish
12.17
17
Finnish
12.8
18
East_German
12.99
19
Erzya
13.81
20
East_Finnish
14.11
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
75.7%
Lithuanian
+
24.3%
Tuscan
@
2.33
2
84%
Estonian_Polish
+
16%
North_Italian
@
2.53
3
74.4%
Lithuanian
+
25.6%
North_Italian
@
2.59
4
83.1%
Belorussian
+
16.9%
North_Italian
@
2.61
5
54.3%
Belorussian
+
45.7%
Croatian
@
2.64
6
85.1%
Estonian_Polish
+
14.9%
Tuscan
@
2.67
7
84.2%
Belorussian
+
15.8%
Tuscan
@
2.76
8
60.3%
Lithuanian
+
39.7%
Serbian
@
2.82
9
64.9%
Estonian_Polish
+
35.1%
Hungarian
@
2.83
10
73.7%
Estonian_Polish
+
26.3%
Serbian
@
2.85
11
56.2%
Estonian_Polish
+
43.8%
Croatian
@
2.87
12
77.8%
Lithuanian
+
22.2%
West_Sicilian
@
2.89
13
85.2%
Estonian_Polish
+
14.8%
Spanish_Valencia
@
2.91
14
72.3%
Belorussian
+
27.7%
Serbian
@
2.95
15
91.5%
Polish
+
8.5%
Ashkenazi
@
2.96
16
89.3%
Belorussian
+
10.7%
Sardinian
@
2.97
17
76.3%
Belorussian
+
23.7%
Romanian
@
2.98
18
85.8%
Belorussian
+
14.2%
West_Sicilian
@
3.03
19
77.7%
Estonian_Polish
+
22.3%
Romanian
@
3.04
20
59%
Croatian
+
41%
Lithuanian
@
3.05
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
06-24-2020, 08:47 PM
did you check these? is any of them even Moldovan?
CM2678489 Moldavian
ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1
CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
QY8192067 moldavian_V48759
JR2297171 moldavian_V49937
also, there is another set of 12 academic Gagauz here:
https://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/
Thanks, I'll get them, as that's a different set from the ones that I have.
Yes, my analysis is buried somewhere in this thread.
But TL;DR
These are unmixed:
CM2678489
ZW2326107
QY8192067
JR2297171
CZ7344575
This one scores in the Moldovan range but is recently mixed going by matches:
GG5842270
Full Russian and Ukrainian:
JA8090639
JR6490623
3/4 Ukrainian, 1/4 Roma:
DN1116786
vbnetkhio
06-26-2020, 03:40 PM
Thanks, I'll get them, as that's a different set from the ones that I have.
Yes, my analysis is buried somewhere in this thread.
But TL;DR
These are unmixed:
CM2678489
ZW2326107
QY8192067
JR2297171
CZ7344575
This one scores in the Moldovan range but is recently mixed going by matches:
GG5842270
Full Russian and Ukrainian:
JA8090639
JR6490623
3/4 Ukrainian, 1/4 Roma:
DN1116786
did you analyze the Romanian samples from here?
https://evolbio.ut.ee/jew/
Ukrainian from Floresti
Please share his Dodecad components.
The partially Romani Ukrainian is interesting
Population
Gedrosia 6.53 Pct
Siberian 1.35 Pct
Northwest_African 0.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 19.26 Pct
North_European 49.11 Pct
South_Asian 7.62 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.96 Pct
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Caucasus 12.40 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.11 Pct
Target: Ukr-Roma
Distance: 1.3475% / 1.34749191 | ADC: 0.25x
70.2 Ukrainian
18.0 Rus_Kostroma
5.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
4.4 Hakkipikki
1.2 North_Kannadi
0.4 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh
Perhaps I could get a better fit by deleting some of the populations.
Ion Basescul
06-26-2020, 03:59 PM
did you analyze the Romanian samples from here?
https://evolbio.ut.ee/jew/
Hmm no, I'm wondering if those are the Behar samples. I'll take a look either in the evening or tomorrow. Thanks
Ion Basescul
06-26-2020, 04:01 PM
Please share his Dodecad components.
Here you go:
<tbody>
Population
Gedrosia
2.23 Pct
Siberian
0.86 Pct
Northwest_African
-
Southeast_Asian
-
Atlantic_Med
22.41 Pct
North_European
55.04 Pct
South_Asian
1.56 Pct
East_African
1.07 Pct
Southwest_Asian
1.43 Pct
East_Asian
-
Caucasus
15.40 Pct
Sub_Saharan
-
</tbody>
Distance to: MD-Ukr
3.84204373 Ukrainian
4.60158668 PL_Mazovia
4.90499745 Rus_Smolensk
5.22980879 Rus_Kostroma
5.42155882 Belorussian
7.13655379 Rus_Tver
7.32351691 Sorb_Lusatia
7.39269910 Southwest_Rus
8.63756910 Hungarians
11.39108862 Mixed_Slav
Target: MD-Ukr
Distance: 2.6822% / 2.68215901 | ADC: 0.5x
51.8 PL_Mazovia
41.0 Ukrainian
7.2 Bulgarians
Target: MD-Ukr
Distance: 1.6292% / 1.62915917 | ADC: 0.25x
81.2 PL_Mazovia
12.8 Bulgarians
5.4 Mixed_Slav
0.4 Sandawe_He
0.2 Pulliyar
Ion Basescul
06-26-2020, 05:35 PM
Distance to: MD-Ukr
3.84204373 Ukrainian
4.60158668 PL_Mazovia
4.90499745 Rus_Smolensk
5.22980879 Rus_Kostroma
5.42155882 Belorussian
7.13655379 Rus_Tver
7.32351691 Sorb_Lusatia
7.39269910 Southwest_Rus
8.63756910 Hungarians
11.39108862 Mixed_Slav
Target: MD-Ukr
Distance: 2.6822% / 2.68215901 | ADC: 0.5x
51.8 PL_Mazovia
41.0 Ukrainian
7.2 Bulgarians
Target: MD-Ukr
Distance: 1.6292% / 1.62915917 | ADC: 0.25x
81.2 PL_Mazovia
12.8 Bulgarians
5.4 Mixed_Slav
0.4 Sandawe_He
0.2 Pulliyar
The default Oracles for K12b on GEDmatch are absolutely horrible for this sample.
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 12:34 PM
From Capaclia (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=2116), Cantemir, R. Moldova
1/8 Ukrainian, but that's too distant, so basically unmixed
<tbody>
#
Population
Percent
1
North_Atlantic
25.66
2
Baltic
20.54
3
West_Med
19.38
4
East_Med
19.11
5
West_Asian
7.46
6
Red_Sea
3.14
7
Siberian
1.97
8
East_Asian
1.73
9
Northeast_African
0.71
10
Oceanian
0.31
</tbody>
Single Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance
1
Romanian
5.92
2
Bulgarian
6.67
3
Serbian
7.95
4
Greek_Thessaly
9.97
5
North_Italian
11.2
6
Tuscan
11.64
7
Moldavian
14.7
8
Italian_Abruzzo
14.91
9
Hungarian
15.31
10
West_Sicilian
15.51
11
Portuguese
16.28
12
Central_Greek
16.58
13
Austrian
16.83
14
Spanish_Galicia
16.97
15
Croatian
16.98
16
French
17.06
17
East_Sicilian
17.37
18
Spanish_Extremadura
17.4
19
Spanish_Cataluna
17.99
20
Spanish_Murcia
18.26
</tbody>
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
<tbody>
#
Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1
74.3%
Tuscan
+
25.7%
Erzya
@
2.1
2
73.4%
Tuscan
+
26.6%
Kargopol_Russian
@
2.28
3
71.1%
Tuscan
+
28.9%
Southwest_Russian
@
2.53
4
71.5%
Tuscan
+
28.5%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
2.76
5
68.4%
Tuscan
+
31.6%
Ukrainian
@
2.77
6
69%
West_Sicilian
+
31%
Estonian
@
2.81
7
72.7%
Tuscan
+
27.3%
Estonian_Polish
@
2.83
8
56.1%
Tuscan
+
43.9%
Moldavian
@
2.86
9
60.4%
Serbian
+
39.6%
Tuscan
@
2.9
10
66.7%
West_Sicilian
+
33.3%
Southwest_Finnish
@
2.92
11
68.6%
West_Sicilian
+
31.4%
Finnish
@
2.93
12
67.4%
Tuscan
+
32.6%
Ukrainian_Lviv
@
2.93
13
75.4%
Tuscan
+
24.6%
East_Finnish
@
2.95
14
75.1%
Bulgarian
+
24.9%
Spanish_Murcia
@
2.97
15
72.5%
Tuscan
+
27.5%
Russian_Smolensk
@
2.99
16
73.1%
Tuscan
+
26.9%
Belorussian
@
3.01
17
72.9%
Bulgarian
+
27.1%
Portuguese
@
3.02
18
75.8%
Tuscan
+
24.2%
Lithuanian
@
3.04
19
59.8%
Tuscan
+
40.2%
Croatian
@
3.08
20
60.9%
West_Sicilian
+
39.1%
South_Polish
@
3.08
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Cantemir
7.50525149
Moldova_South
9.22417476
Gagauz
11.71836166
Moldova_Centre
15.80900376
Moldova_North
20.64463126
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
26.64522096
Ukrainian_Lviv
27.83752683
Crimean_Tatar
27.97768933
Ukrainian
30.80834140
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
33.50253274
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
33.82336175
Russian_Smolensk
40.54052764
RU_Pinega
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Cantemir
Distance: 7.5053% / 7.50525149 | ADC: 0.25x
100.0
Moldova_South
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Cantemir
Distance: 7.5053% / 7.50525149
100.0
Moldova_South
0.0
Crimean_Tatar
0.0
Gagauz
0.0
Moldova_Centre
0.0
Moldova_North
0.0
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0
Ukrainian
0.0
Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
0.0
Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0
RU_Pinega
0.0
Russian_Smolensk
</tbody>
Apparently at least some (if not all) Balkan natives did resemble Southern or Central Italians.
74.3% Tuscan + 25.7% Erzya @ 2.1
@Ion Basescul, are your Moldovan averages for Dodecad K12b good enough and don't need revisiting?
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 01:57 PM
Apparently at least some (if not all) Balkan natives did resemble Southern or Central Italians.
74.3% Tuscan + 25.7% Erzya @ 2.1
@Ion Basescul, are your Moldovan averages for Dodecad K12b good enough and don't need revisiting?
They are outdated by now, as I gave you only my family, the Centre-North samples from Balti and South samples from Stefan Voda.
But I'm not using K12b, so I won't calculate the others anytime soon.
Those averages are from 46 unmixed samples and now I have 87, so you are 41 samples behind.
They are outdated by now, as I gave you only my family, the Centre-North samples from Balti and South samples from Stefan Voda.
But I'm not using K12b, so I won't calculate the others anytime soon.
Those averages are from 46 unmixed samples and now I have 87, so you are 41 samples behind.
I don't care much about sample size as long as they appear representative. I personally use a lot of averages based on 5-10 samples only.
Looks like I am one of the few people who use K12b. But that doesn't matter to me because I use it largely for Eastern Europeans and West/Central Asians and for many of them my updated oracles work just fine.
Aspirin
06-30-2020, 06:24 PM
"Славно наши братья болгары в южной Молдове погуляли."
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 06:58 PM
"Славно наши братья болгары в южной Молдове погуляли."
They have, just like East Slavs, Gagauz, Jews, Gypsies and even Germans, but this person doesn't seem to have anything Bulgarian in their family tree. Seems to be a typical profile for the Southern regions (although the surname is kind of rare for the South, but the 5th most popular in Edinet), even in people without Bulgarian or Gagauz admixture.
To be fair, Capaclia doesn't mean anything in Romanian, so who knows what kind of settlement it started as. Capaclia is surrounded by mostly 99% Romanian/Moldovan villages, but there is one exception at 3km from it. It's called Visniovca and 16% of the population is Gagauz and Bulgarian.
Aspirin
06-30-2020, 07:23 PM
This line still make sense.
https://sun9-25.userapi.com/c206724/v206724344/d715f/-ZdViFRRtwE.jpg
https://sun9-10.userapi.com/c206724/v206724344/d7168/lfNWvyYs4xc.jpg
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 07:46 PM
This line still make sense.
https://sun9-25.userapi.com/c206724/v206724344/d715f/-ZdViFRRtwE.jpg
https://sun9-10.userapi.com/c206724/v206724344/d7168/lfNWvyYs4xc.jpg
Yes, but you need another one in the North. For example Cantemir is more Moldovan than your native district, according to both the 2004 and 2014 censuses.
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 07:55 PM
This line still make sense.
https://sun9-25.userapi.com/c206724/v206724344/d715f/-ZdViFRRtwE.jpg
https://sun9-10.userapi.com/c206724/v206724344/d7168/lfNWvyYs4xc.jpg
Is that line supposed to show the Bulgarian/Gagauz admix? If so then it actually goes a bit further North, all the way to Tighina/Bender.
https://i.imgur.com/JazZLXu.png
Aspirin
06-30-2020, 07:57 PM
They have, just like East Slavs, Gagauz, Jews, Gypsies and even Germans, but this person doesn't seem to have anything Bulgarian in their family tree. Seems to be a typical profile for the Southern regions (although the surname is kind of rare for the South, but the 5th most popular in Edinet), even in people without Bulgarian or Gagauz admixture.
To be fair, Capaclia doesn't mean anything in Romanian, so who knows what kind of settlement it started as. Capaclia is surrounded by mostly 99% Romanian/Moldovan villages, but there is one exception at 3km from it. It's called Visniovca and 16% of the population is Gagauz and Bulgarian.
Cantemir district have a visible Bulgarian minority, you already posted a Bulgarian from here who was very Southern with only 17% Baltic. Bay the way, after I saw the name of the village of that Bulgarian I remembered what I have a friend with origins from that village, he is Moldavian, and his surname (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=70055) (not Bulgarian) is from that area, despite he live in Cahul district now. The most interesting part is when he start to tell about his ancestry. xD
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/16/92/39/16923950e34d4136823786eeba6f0798.gif
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 08:06 PM
Cantemir district have a visible Bulgarian minority, you already posted a Bulgarian from here who was very Southern with only 17% Baltic. Bay the way, after I saw the name of the village of that Bulgarian I remembered what I have a friend with origins from that village, he is Moldavian, and his surname (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=70055) (not Bulgarian) is from that area, despite he live in Cahul district now. The most interesting part is when he start to tell about his ancestry. xD
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/16/92/39/16923950e34d4136823786eeba6f0798.gif
I actually have a person with that surname, but they are from Targoviste in Dambovita. Autosomally would fit in Cantemir though.
https://i.imgur.com/epHrBjO.png
Aspirin
06-30-2020, 08:11 PM
Is that line supposed to show the Bulgarian/Gagauz admix? If so then it actually goes a bit further North, all the way to Tighina/Bender.
https://i.imgur.com/JazZLXu.png
About Căușeni and Ștefan Vodă I don't believe they are very southern, need more samples from that area.
Aspirin
06-30-2020, 08:22 PM
I actually have a person with that surname, but they are from Targoviste in Dambovita. Autosomally would fit in Cantemir though.
https://i.imgur.com/epHrBjO.png
He have very mixed ancestry, he claim to have Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian, Romanian (interesting he name Romanian as separate ethnicity, and he claim what this ancestry is from Romanian territory) and Turkish. For a moment I didn't understand what he means by the Turkish, when he explained what this mean Gagauz. Seems what some Moldavians in the South name Gagauz Turks, despite them to be only turkified Bulgarians, judging by their genetics.
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 08:26 PM
About Căușeni and Ștefan Vodă I don't believe they are very southern, need more samples from that area.
That line simply follows the most Northern Bulgarian villages. I only have one sample from Causeni and they are within the range for the Central region.
https://i.imgur.com/47Vvyvv.png
Samples in Stefan Voda range from being similar to the above and Central region (Mol-66 and Mol-69) to very Southern (Mol-15 and Mol-64).
These are the most up-to-date regional averages btw.
https://i.imgur.com/cZesUUw.png
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 08:42 PM
Causeni K15
<tbody>
North_Sea
17.54 Pct
Atlantic
16.82 Pct
Baltic
16.76 Pct
Eastern_Euro
10.29 Pct
West_Med
12.30 Pct
West_Asian
9.99 Pct
East_Med
13.44 Pct
Red_Sea
1.09 Pct
South_Asian
0.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian
-
Siberian
-
Amerindian
1.28 Pct
Oceanian
0.44 Pct
Northeast_African
-
Sub-Saharan
-
</tbody>
Aspirin
06-30-2020, 09:06 PM
Causeni K15
<tbody>
North_Sea
17.54 Pct
Atlantic
16.82 Pct
Baltic
16.76 Pct
Eastern_Euro
10.29 Pct
West_Med
12.30 Pct
West_Asian
9.99 Pct
East_Med
13.44 Pct
Red_Sea
1.09 Pct
South_Asian
0.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian
-
Siberian
-
Amerindian
1.28 Pct
Oceanian
0.44 Pct
Northeast_African
-
Sub-Saharan
-
</tbody>
This person is very northern for the region, similar to the guy from Gura-Galbenei, Cimișlia district. Did he/she have foreign ancestry?
https://sun9-64.userapi.com/0y3cL0YA6b0F0gIwWRZ1wm7nQNKFQta6deMFEw/nc5VSc_Bj-I.jpg
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 09:14 PM
This person is very northern for the region, similar to the guy from Gura-Galbenei, Cimișlia district. Did he/she have foreign ancestry?
https://sun9-64.userapi.com/0y3cL0YA6b0F0gIwWRZ1wm7nQNKFQta6deMFEw/nc5VSc_Bj-I.jpg
None that I know of personally
Ion Basescul
07-01-2020, 11:45 AM
I might be onto something regarding the very Southern profile of some Moldovans.
I was looking through some relatives for one person and found an interesting Albanian surname, Kociu, which according to some quick searching could be of Aromanian origin.
https://i.postimg.cc/9Q9Tcns0/image.png
The version in Moldova and Romania, Cociu, is more prominent per capita in the Central and Southern districts of Moldova.
https://i.postimg.cc/X7d7q6NR/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/3RzYrnsr/image.png
Then, there are also several variations to this surname, which could point to Aromanian/Albanian settlements.
Cociug (quite popular in Stefan Voda)
https://i.postimg.cc/sgg885LT/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/rmxYWjdw/image.png
Cuciuc (Cuciu doesn't exist in Moldova), most popular in the Central region
https://i.postimg.cc/kGjNtRy5/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/BvxxBVCk/image.png
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Another fun fact, Cociug is the 6th most popular surname in the village of Caplani, where the Stefan Voda samples were collected.
https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=8515
Ion Basescul
07-01-2020, 02:52 PM
1/2 Chisinau (Bacioi (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=5511)) and 1/2 Falesti (Albinetul Nou (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=4311))
All ethnic Moldovans/Romanians up to grandparent level, no info about ggp
Albinetul Nou seems half Ukrainian, so who knows.
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.32
2 North_Atlantic 24.9
3 West_Med 14.54
4 East_Med 14.28
5 West_Asian 5.42
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 Siberian 2.07
8 South_Asian 1.58
9 Oceanian 0.34
10 Sub-Saharan 0.25
11 Amerindian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.29
2 Croatian 5.78
3 Serbian 7.72
4 Hungarian 8.33
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.85
6 Romanian 10.95
7 South_Polish 11.61
8 Ukrainian 11.79
9 Bulgarian 12.67
10 Austrian 12.79
11 East_German 13.08
12 Southwest_Russian 14.69
13 Polish 14.89
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.43
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.57
16 Estonian_Polish 16.71
17 Belorussian 17.3
18 Kargopol_Russian 18.6
19 West_German 19.81
20 Southwest_Finnish 19.92
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.1% Estonian_Polish + 36.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.07
2 71.9% Ukrainian + 28.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.47
3 55.7% Estonian_Polish + 44.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.48
4 54.8% Belorussian + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.5
5 76.1% Ukrainian + 23.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.53
6 76.1% Ukrainian + 23.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.55
7 62.4% Belorussian + 37.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.56
8 56.5% Lithuanian + 43.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.61
9 63.3% Estonian + 36.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.64
10 69% Estonian_Polish + 31% Italian_Jewish @ 2.65
11 66.1% Estonian_Polish + 33.9% South_Italian @ 2.69
12 50.6% Greek_Thessaly + 49.4% Estonian @ 2.69
13 69% Estonian_Polish + 31% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.75
14 76.3% Ukrainian + 23.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.82
15 77.8% Ukrainian + 22.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.89
16 65.3% Belorussian + 34.7% South_Italian @ 2.9
17 63.4% Southwest_Russian + 36.6% Tuscan @ 2.9
18 63.7% Estonian_Polish + 36.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.91
19 66.8% Polish + 33.2% Ashkenazi @ 2.94
20 68.2% Belorussian + 31.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.99
Target: 1/2Chisinau_1/2Falesti
Distance: 3.7134% / 3.71337761 | ADC: 0.25x
66.6 Moldova_North
16.6 Ukrainian
11.4 Ashkenazi
5.4 RU_Pinega
Without Ashkenazi, Russians, Moldova_South and Gagauz
Target: 1/2Chisinau_1/2Falesti
Distance: 4.7797% / 4.77969062 | ADC: 0.25x
65.6 Moldova_North
24.4 Moldova_Centre
10.0 Ukrainian
0.0 Crimean_Tatar
0.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
Distance to: 1/2Chisinau_1/2Falesti
4.96860141 Moldova_North
7.69848037 Moldova_Centre
12.44619621 Ukrainian_Lviv
12.78961297 Moldova_South
13.45907501 Ukrainian
16.56618846 Gagauz
18.86842866 Russian_Smolensk
25.87502814 RU_Pinega
28.90097749 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
29.22824490 Crimean_Tatar
33.83871599 Ashkenazi
39.85049937 Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
Aspirin
07-01-2020, 04:13 PM
1/2 Chisinau (Bacioi (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=5511)) and 1/2 Falesti (Albinetul Nou (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=4311))
All ethnic Moldovans/Romanians up to grandparent level, no info about ggp
Albinetul Nou seems half Ukrainian, so who knows.
Albinețul Nou is Ukrainian little village. Villages with "Nou" most of the times are not ethnic Moldavian. Post please his K15 results.
Daos777
07-01-2020, 04:50 PM
I might be onto something regarding the very Southern profile of some Moldovans.
I was looking through some relatives for one person and found an interesting Albanian surname, Kociu, which according to some quick searching could be of Aromanian origin.
https://i.postimg.cc/9Q9Tcns0/image.png
The version in Moldova and Romania, Cociu, is more prominent per capita in the Central and Southern districts of Moldova.
https://i.postimg.cc/X7d7q6NR/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/3RzYrnsr/image.png
Then, there are also several variations to this surname, which could point to Aromanian/Albanian settlements.
Cociug (quite popular in Stefan Voda)
https://i.postimg.cc/sgg885LT/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/rmxYWjdw/image.png
Cuciuc (Cuciu doesn't exist in Moldova), most popular in the Central region
https://i.postimg.cc/kGjNtRy5/image.png
https://i.postimg.cc/BvxxBVCk/image.png
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Another fun fact, Cociug is the 6th most popular surname in the village of Caplani, where the Stefan Voda samples were collected.
https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=8515
That’s what my Moldavian side is. It’s Illyro-Vlach.
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Ion Basescul
07-01-2020, 06:04 PM
Albinețul Nou is Ukrainian little village. Villages with "Nou" most of the times are not ethnic Moldavian. Post please his K15 results.
Will do a bit later, but why are those with "Nou" usually ethnic villages? Were they part of the same village and then segregated from the rest, with the main part taking the "veche" title?
Ion Basescul
07-01-2020, 06:46 PM
Their K15
<tbody>
North_Sea
15.58 Pct
Atlantic
18.21 Pct
Baltic
21.60 Pct
Eastern_Euro
14.56 Pct
West_Med
9.77 Pct
West_Asian
5.73 Pct
East_Med
9.83 Pct
Red_Sea
2.49 Pct
South_Asian
0.92 Pct
Southeast_Asian
-
Siberian
1.04 Pct
Amerindian
-
Oceanian
0.27 Pct
Northeast_African
-
Sub-Saharan
-
</tbody>
Aspirin
07-01-2020, 07:14 PM
Will do a bit later, but why are those with "Nou" usually ethnic villages? Were they part of the same village and then segregated from the rest, with the main part taking the "veche" title?
Because these villages were founded recently, and are not connected with the main villages. Here exist and other villages with similar background like Obreja Nouă, Pînzărenii Noi, Ciolacul Nou, Gara Catranîc. All these villages are tiny compared to original ones.
Are you sure this person is from Albinețul Nou, and not Albinețul Vechi?
Ion Basescul
07-09-2020, 11:10 AM
So after tinkering with the settings for a while, I've stopped on this PCA format, which I will use for all of my current and new samples moving forward.
Here's how it works:
Up = Increase in: Baltic, North Atlantic
Right = Increase in: South Asian, Siberian, East Asian, Amerindian
Down-Right = Increase in: West Asian, Red Sea
Left + Down-Left = Increase in: East Med, West Med
Dot Colours:
Red = Unmixed Romanians/Moldovans from Romania's Moldavia
Blue = Unmixed Romanians/Moldovans from R. Moldova
Green = Unmixed Ethnic Minorities from either country
Black = People of mixed heritage from either country
Gold = Ivano-Frankivsk (Highlander) Ukrainians
Border Colours:
Red = Unmixed Romanians/Moldovans from Romania's Moldavia
Blue = Unmixed Romanians/Moldovans from R. Moldova
Green = All people from R. Moldova
Black = All people from Romania's Moldavia
Gold = Ivano-Frankivs Ukrainians and a mixed Ukrainian/Romanian from Chernivtsi
Label codes correspond to abbreviations for district/county:
Romania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Romania)
R. Moldova 1 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/MD_vehicle_region_codes.svg/800px-MD_vehicle_region_codes.svg.png) and 2 (https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizarea_administrativ-teritorial%C4%83_a_Republicii_Moldova)
Samples surrounded by a white circle are my family, 12=dad, CH_1/2Ukr=mom, 49=brother, 48=me, 17=ZmeyGorynych
Zoom in as much as you like, the quality should be great.
https://i.postimg.cc/knV0bPwf/md-ro-n-2-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/VsQyBZ5n/md-ro-n-1-1.jpg
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