G25 Full Unscaled Spreadsheet Results

[RyoHazuki]

Paste the entire spreadsheet into sources and post your result.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y49hyvviJpHj9esVqyeiFm32DhnPlfRQ
https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

El mutt
Distance: 1.9297% / 0.01929725
42.4 Orcadian
39.6 English_Cornwall
9.6 Spanish_Asturias
2.0 Igorot
1.8 Gupta
1.4 Yemenite_Jew
1.2 Mari
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
0.8 Nivkh
0.4 Sengwer

[RyoHazuki]

England and Orcadian removed

Distance: 1.9875% / 0.01987525
62.0 Scottish
16.2 Spanish_Asturias
13.4 Icelandic
2.0 Gupta
2.0 Igorot
1.0 Nivkh
1.0 Yemenite_Jew
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
0.8 Sengwer
0.6 Mari
0.2 Greek_Thrace

[nittionia]

https://i.imgur.com/OuAcY97.png
https://i.imgur.com/pa1GUHr.png

[RyoHazuki]

https://i.imgur.com/OuAcY97.png
https://i.imgur.com/pa1GUHr.png

7.6 percent Tatar? Pretty high mongoloid, maybe you have Saami heritage.

[Nurzat]

Target: Nurzat Rusoğlu (removed Romanian and Moldavian from source)
Distance: 0.7700% / 0.00770040
42.8 Serbian
28.8 Lithuanian_PA
7.8 Greek_Peloponnese
7.8 Spanish_Soria
4.0 Tajik_Yagnobi
3.6 Japanese
3.4 Greek_Thrace
1.0 Shor_Mountain

Target: Nurzat Rusoğlu (removed Serbs too)
Distance: 0.8342% / 0.00834183
35.2 Russian_Tver
15.4 Greek_Peloponnese
15.0 Greek_Thrace
9.6 Spanish_Soria
8.4 Russian_Kursk
7.6 Greek_Central_Macedonia
3.0 Japanese
2.2 Sorb_Niederlausitz
1.6 Shor_Mountain

[nittionia]

7.6 percent Tatar? Pretty high mongoloid, maybe you have Saami heritage.

It is hard to know, I have northern Swedish ancestry and some Finnish on 23andme.. I'm not quite sure how a bit of Saami would show up though.

[RyoHazuki]

It is hard to know, I have northern Swedish ancestry and some Finnish on 23andme.. I'm not quite sure how a bit of Saami would show up though.

Saami live in Northern Sweden though.

[nittionia]

Saami live in Northern Sweden though.

Yeah, I guess I would have to look into my family tree to know for sure

[Nurzat]

Saami live in Northern Sweden though.

5% Mongoloid with no known ancestry too:


3.0 Japanese
1.6 Shor_Mountain

[nittionia]

5% Mongoloid with no known ancestry too:

Saami pals :D

[Coastal Elite]

Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 0.7332% / 0.00733172
38.8 Shetlandic
23.6 Swiss_German
19.4 Greek_Peloponnese
5.6 Montenegrin
5.0 Greek_Thrace
2.0 Japanese
1.4 Gupta
1.2 Chechen
1.2 Spanish_Soria
0.8 Sudanese
0.4 Swiss_French
0.2 Aymara
0.2 Ket
0.2 Yakut

Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 0.7835% / 0.00783518 | ADC: 0.25x
41.6 Swiss_German
21.6 Shetlandic
12.8 Montenegrin
8.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley
5.8 Albanian
4.8 Greek_Peloponnese
3.2 Kaitag
1.2 Japanese
0.6 Gupta
0.2 Dinka

Mom

Target: Daco_mom
Distance: 0.6980% / 0.00698026
83.0 Shetlandic
5.6 Norwegian
4.2 Basque_Spanish
3.2 Latvian
1.2 Ket
1.0 Dinka
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
0.6 Sherpa
0.4 Greenlander_East

Target: Daco_mom
Distance: 0.7283% / 0.00728335 | ADC: 0.25x
85.2 Shetlandic
10.0 Swedish
3.0 Swiss_French
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
0.8 Ket

[Jana]

Target: Feiichy
Distance: 1.4550% / 0.01454982

51.4 Slovakian
17.2 Cossack_Kuban
10.8 Sardinian
7.6 Georgian_Laz
5.8 Lithuanian_RA
4.8 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.8 Makrani
0.6 Ethiopian_Anuak
0.4 Nivkh
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Khomani_San
0.2 Mbuti

Target: Feiichy
Distance: 1.4820% / 0.01481988 | ADC: 0.25x

70.6 Slovakian
9.4 Cossack_Kuban
7.6 Sardinian
7.2 Georgian_Laz
5.2 Spanish_La_Rioja

Target: Feiichy
Distance: 1.5869% / 0.01586897 | ADC: 0.5x

81.0 Slovakian
9.6 Greek_Peloponnese
8.2 Spanish_La_Rioja
1.2 Georgian_Laz

Target: Feiichy
Distance: 1.7691% / 0.01769129 | ADC: 1x

74.2 Slovakian
25.8 Montenegrin

Target: Feiichy
Distance: 1.9042% / 0.01904221 | ADC: 2x

100.0 Slovakian

[Jana]

Target: Feiichy_Husband
Distance: 0.5130% / 0.00513001

32.2 Montenegrin
28.0 Estonian
15.8 Shetlandic
8.8 Georgian_Laz
4.6 Moldavian
3.4 Sherpa
2.2 Macedonian
1.8 Lithuanian_SZ
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
0.6 Dinka
0.6 Huichol
0.6 Mlabri
0.6 Yakut

Target: Feiichy_Husband
Distance: 0.6366% / 0.00636636 | ADC: 0.25x

34.0 Czech
21.4 Hungarian
19.4 Montenegrin
6.8 Croatian
4.2 Darginian
3.6 Cossack_Kuban
3.4 Slovenian
2.6 Tripuri
2.4 Abkhasian
1.0 Sherpa
0.4 Hadza
0.4 Ju_hoan_North
0.4 Tlingit

Target: Feiichy_Husband
Distance: 0.8272% / 0.00827162 | ADC: 0.5x

59.2 Hungarian
16.0 Croatian
13.4 Czech
6.0 Kumyk
3.8 Montenegrin
1.6 Tripuri

Target: Feiichy_Husband
Distance: 1.0254% / 0.01025361 | ADC: 1x

94.4 Hungarian
5.6 Croatian

Target: Feiichy_Husband
Distance: 1.0316% / 0.01031618 | ADC: 2x

100.0 Hungarian

[RyoHazuki]

5% Mongoloid with no known ancestry too:

Despite popular belief, Turks ARE part Asian

[Nurzat]

Despite popular belief, Turks ARE part Asian

I am not Turk - I have my ancestry written on my details: Rusnak/Moldavian (i.e. Ukrainian/Romanian). but yeah, part of the Ottoman world in the past and some cultural heritage as well.

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo
Distance: 0.8623% / 0.00862272
28.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
22.2 Basque_Spanish
11.2 French_South
11.0 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
9.2 Spanish_Soria
3.2 Cossack_Ukrainian
3.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley
2.8 Sakha
2.8 Spanish_Aragon
1.6 Agta
1.6 Moroccan_North
1.2 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.6 Mbuti
0.4 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Khonda_Dora
0.2 Koinanbe

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.0726% / 0.01072602 | ADC: 1x
36.2 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
34.4 Spanish_Aragon
29.4 Portuguese

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.0129% / 0.01012924 | ADC: 0.5x
37.2 Portuguese
26.6 French_South
21.2 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
14.8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.2 Sakha

Target: gixajo
Distance: 0.9144% / 0.00914373 | ADC: 0.25x
29.0 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
27.0 French_South
14.4 Portuguese
14.4 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
6.6 Spanish_Soria
3.0 Spanish_Aragon
2.0 Sakha
1.6 Basque_Spanish
0.8 Agta
0.6 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Mbuti
0.2 Yemenite_Mahra

Distance to: gixajo
0.01164579 Spanish_Aragon
0.01186265 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01219209 Portuguese
0.01234342 Spanish_Galicia
0.01246972 Spanish_Andalucia
0.01253426 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01266830 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.01281001 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.01308935 Spanish_Eivissa
0.01319953 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01336049 Spanish_Valencia
0.01376545 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.01380458 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01392280 French_South
0.01411305 Spanish_Penedes
0.01423069 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01424453 Spanish_Mallorca
0.01424941 Spanish_Alacant
0.01432994 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01446903 Spanish_Barcelones
0.01460593 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01462219 Spanish_Menorca
0.01482509 Spanish_Castello
0.01515802 Spanish_Lleida
0.01547040 Spanish_Girona

[RyoHazuki]

I am not Turk - I have my ancestry written on my details: Rusnak/Moldavian (i.e. Ukrainian/Romanian). but yeah, part of the Ottoman world in the past and some cultural heritage as well.

My bad, but its probably ancient from Turkic/Magyar tribes.

[Ylla]

Distance: 1.0336% / 0.01033571
57.0 Albanian
24.0 Greek_Peloponnese
16.4 Greek_Thrace
1.6 Sardinian
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Mbuti

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier
Distance: 1.2409% / 0.01240851
41.0 Swiss_French
23.2 Spanish_Soria
12.8 Shetlandic
7.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
7.2 Spanish_Aragon
4.4 Sherpa
1.8 Sardinian
1.4 Abkhasian
0.8 Biaka
0.2 Papuan

Target: Xabier
Distance: 1.2665% / 0.01266457 | ADC: 0.25x
61.2 Swiss_French
16.4 Spanish_Soria
9.0 Spanish_Aragon
6.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
3.6 Sherpa
3.6 Shetlandic

wow Sherpa

[gixajo]

[B]Target: Xabier


wow Sherpa

I´m Ukranian Cossack...:confused:

Could be a good explanation for my r1a1a1.:rolleyes:

[RyoHazuki]

I´m Ukranian Cossack...:confused:

Could be a good explanation for my r1a1a1.:rolleyes:

If you are a Basque then that is super rare.

[gixajo]

If you are a Basque then that is super rare.

My paternal family is from Andalucia, my maternal one is Basque. I have only 50% Basque ancestry, and it´s mainly from southest Basque province, Álava.

My paternal family came to Basque Country just after the Spanish Civil War.

[Nassbean]

Target: Nassbean
Distance: 1.1238% / 0.01123779
64.0 Berber_MAR_TIZ
20.2 Spanish_Navarra
5.2 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
3.8 Saudi
2.0 Greenlander_East
2.0 Madiga
1.0 Biaka
1.0 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.4 Papuan
0.4 Sardinian

[gixajo]

Target: Nassbean
Distance: 1.1238% / 0.01123779
64.0 Berber_MAR_TIZ
20.2 Spanish_Navarra
5.2 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
3.8 Saudi
2.0 Greenlander_East
2.0 Madiga
1.0 Biaka
1.0 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.4 Papuan
0.4 Sardinian

Greenlander!!!

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro
Distance: 0.6307% / 0.00630653
31.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
30.8 Spanish_Asturias
13.6 Italian_Liguria
4.6 Basque_French
4.2 Ket
3.8 Shetlandic
2.6 Fulani
2.6 Yemenite_Jew
2.4 Ethiopian_Afar
1.4 Mari
1.0 Zapotec
0.8 Biaka
0.6 Greek_Thrace
0.2 Han_NChina

[JamesBond007]

Target: Kevin
Distance: 1.7424% / 0.01742362 | ADC: 0.5x
83.4 Norwegian
16.6 Spanish_Soria

[Nassbean]

Greenlander!!!

hahah how he ended up in morocco ? lol

[Grace O'Malley]

Unscaled for me is more noisy.

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1656% / 0.01165576 | ADC: 1x
74.2 Icelandic
25.8 Irish

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1454% / 0.01145394 | ADC: 0.5x
64.8 Icelandic
31.6 Irish
2.8 Welsh
0.6 North_Ossetian
0.2 Somali_Kenya

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.0884% / 0.01088368 | ADC: 0.25x
66.4 Icelandic
27.4 Irish
2.4 North_Ossetian
1.6 Somali
1.6 Spanish_Soria
0.6 Yakut

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.0804% / 0.01080413
67.6 Icelandic
23.2 Irish
3.0 Spanish_Soria
2.8 North_Ossetian
1.8 Somali
1.0 Yakut
0.2 Karitiana
0.2 Koinanbe
0.2 Somali_Kenya

I always get Icelandic in these models but being an island populations it is a bit unlikely so with it removed.

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1829% / 0.01182943 | ADC: 0.25x
75.0 Irish
22.0 Swedish
1.2 North_Ossetian
1.0 Ethiopian_Jew
0.8 Yakut

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1763% / 0.01176256
73.6 Irish
21.4 Swedish
2.0 North_Ossetian
1.6 Ethiopian_Jew
1.2 Yakut
0.2 Karitiana

[JamesBond007]

Unscaled for me is more noisy.

That is why I did 0.5x from the jump doll. I have no need for that noise y'all ! :cool:

[gixajo]

hahah how he ended up in morocco ? lol

maybe vikings!!!

[Coastal Elite]

Unscaled for me is more noisy.

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1656% / 0.01165576 | ADC: 1x
74.2 Icelandic
25.8 Irish

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1454% / 0.01145394 | ADC: 0.5x
64.8 Icelandic
31.6 Irish
2.8 Welsh
0.6 North_Ossetian
0.2 Somali_Kenya

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.0884% / 0.01088368 | ADC: 0.25x
66.4 Icelandic
27.4 Irish
2.4 North_Ossetian
1.6 Somali
1.6 Spanish_Soria
0.6 Yakut

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.0804% / 0.01080413
67.6 Icelandic
23.2 Irish
3.0 Spanish_Soria
2.8 North_Ossetian
1.8 Somali
1.0 Yakut
0.2 Karitiana
0.2 Koinanbe
0.2 Somali_Kenya

I always get Icelandic in these models but being an island populations it is a bit unlikely so with it removed.

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1829% / 0.01182943 | ADC: 0.25x
75.0 Irish
22.0 Swedish
1.2 North_Ossetian
1.0 Ethiopian_Jew
0.8 Yakut

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1763% / 0.01176256
73.6 Irish
21.4 Swedish
2.0 North_Ossetian
1.6 Ethiopian_Jew
1.2 Yakut
0.2 Karitiana

May I ask your closest populations? I'm wondering why you get Icelandic and my mom gets Shetlandic on multiple calculators. Even if the samples are off, it indicates a difference. Icelandic is 10th on her list, noticeably more distant than Shetladic.

Distance to: Daco_mom
0.00870827 Shetlandic
0.01146391 Norwegian
0.01287006 Welsh
0.01301745 Dutch
0.01320246 Scottish
0.01363948 Irish
0.01429209 Orcadian
0.01456640 English_Cornwall
0.01479988 English
0.01512092 Icelandic

[Nassbean]

maybe vikings!!!

How did they end up in morocco too ? My ancestors always defeated them

[Grace O'Malley]

That is why I did 0.5x from the jump doll. I have no need for that noise y'all ! :cool:

Some people do recommend using the ADC.

Regarding scaled/unscaled Davidski himself uses scaled but the guy who created nMonte Ger Huijbregts uses unscaled because it doesn't discard information at higher dimensions.

Also scaled and 0 penalty will give you more overlapping and similar populations. I should read up more on it.

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG
0.01154335 English_Cornwall
0.01214266 Shetlandic
0.01229351 Scottish
0.01233717 Dutch
0.01329953 Welsh
0.01373790 English
0.01375870 Irish
0.01415775 Orcadian
0.01504222 Icelandic
0.01566697 Norwegian
0.01598960 French_Brittany
0.01611154 Swedish
0.01901096 Belgian
0.01937431 German
0.01981894 French_Nord
0.02161209 French_Alsace
0.02199287 French_Paris
0.02238348 Swiss_German
0.02723550 French_Occitanie
0.02755690 German_East
0.02762041 Austrian
0.02809915 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02843797 French_Auvergne
0.02929362 French_Provence
0.02960722 Swiss_French

Target: CDG
Distance: 1.0639% / 0.01063934 | ADC: 2x
76.8 English_Cornwall
23.2 Shetlandic

Target: CDG
Distance: 1.0372% / 0.01037226 | ADC: 1x
60.8 English_Cornwall
39.2 Shetlandic

Target: CDG
Distance: 1.0184% / 0.01018399 | ADC: 0.5x
56.0 English_Cornwall
42.4 Shetlandic
0.8 Shor_Khakassia
0.8 Swedish

Target: CDG
Distance: 0.9559% / 0.00955879 | ADC: 0.25x
53.0 English_Cornwall
41.2 Shetlandic
2.6 Shor_Khakassia
1.6 Gupta
1.6 Lithuanian_VZ

Target: CDG
Distance: 0.9488% / 0.00948823
51.8 English_Cornwall
40.0 Shetlandic
3.2 Shor_Khakassia
2.6 Lithuanian_VZ
2.2 Gupta
0.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ

[someonenotyou]

Target:
Distance: 0.6309% / 0.00630945
28.4 Bosnian
23.2 Icelandic
14.0 Slovenian
9.0 Sorb_Niederlausitz
6.8 Shetlandic
4.2 Spanish_Asturias
3.8 Balochi
3.6 Even
3.4 Sephardic_Jew
1.8 Italian_Calabria
0.6 Tunisian_Jew
0.4 Italian_Bergamo
0.4 Mbuti
0.4 Mlabri

Target:
Distance: 0.7149% / 0.00714884 | ADC: 0.25x
57.2 Austrian
24.2 Czech
5.4 Shetlandic
3.6 Iranian_Mazandarani
3.2 Even
3.0 Sephardic_Jew
3.0 Slovenian
0.2 Mlabri
0.2 Spanish_Asturias

Distance: 0.8588% / 0.00858843 | ADC: 0.5x
84.2 Austrian
9.6 Czech
4.0 Yukagir_Forest
1.6 Azeri_Turkey
0.6 Iranian_Lor

Target:
Distance: 1.0063% / 0.01006271 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Austrian

[Grace O'Malley]

May I ask your closest populations? I'm wondering why you get Icelandic and my mom gets Shetlandic on multiple calculators. Even if the samples are off, it indicates a difference. Icelandic is 10th on her list, noticeably more distant than Shetladic.

Distance to: Daco_mom
0.00870827 Shetlandic
0.01146391 Norwegian
0.01287006 Welsh
0.01301745 Dutch
0.01320246 Scottish
0.01363948 Irish
0.01429209 Orcadian
0.01456640 English_Cornwall
0.01479988 English
0.01512092 Icelandic

These are my closest populations using unscaled. We are nearly opposite in that Shetlandic and Norwegian is lower down for me.

Distance to: Grace_unscaled
0.01208832 Icelandic
0.01282204 Scottish
0.01286989 Irish
0.01320363 Orcadian
0.01343240 Welsh
0.01372627 English
0.01447691 English_Cornwall
0.01449887 Dutch
0.01573961 French_Brittany
0.01580533 Norwegian
0.01676959 Swedish
0.01833576 Shetlandic
0.02079689 Belgian
0.02138094 German
0.02239916 French_Nord
0.02363444 French_Paris
0.02445043 French_Alsace
0.02549814 Swiss_German
0.02817772 French_Occitanie
0.02986451 French_Auvergne
0.03071669 Swiss_French
0.03087851 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03091036 Austrian
0.03170694 German_East
0.03179119 French_Provence

Distance to: Icelandic
0.18553076 Swedish
0.18580060 Norwegian
0.18606398 Irish
0.18629293 Scottish
0.18629529 Orcadian
0.18630007 English_Cornwall
0.18639685 Shetlandic
0.18640183 English
0.18651586 Welsh
0.18699845 Dutch
0.18732575 French_Brittany
0.18825419 German
0.18873370 Finnish
0.18883386 German_East
0.18952428 Belgian
0.18983767 Estonian
0.18985308 French_Nord
0.18988820 French_Paris
0.18994840 Czech
0.19026464 Ingrian
0.19042909 French_Alsace
0.19072151 Finnish_East
0.19089129 Swiss_German
0.19100545 Austrian
0.19111667 French_Occitanie

Distance to: Shetlandic
0.01970152 Icelandic
0.18323093 Norwegian
0.18343533 Swedish
0.18347252 Irish
0.18374628 English_Cornwall
0.18375352 Scottish
0.18389875 Orcadian
0.18392516 Welsh
0.18397474 English
0.18445103 Dutch
0.18466101 French_Brittany
0.18567663 German
0.18654545 German_East
0.18654664 Belgian
0.18689690 French_Paris
0.18697245 French_Nord
0.18732002 Finnish
0.18753422 French_Alsace
0.18756780 Czech
0.18773641 Swiss_German
0.18825398 French_Occitanie
0.18834935 Austrian
0.18863308 Estonian
0.18876345 Ingrian

[RyoHazuki]

Target: Kevin
Distance: 1.7424% / 0.01742362 | ADC: 0.5x
83.4 Norwegian
16.6 Spanish_Soria

Where is Dutch?

[gixajo]

How did they end up in morocco too ? My ancestors always defeated them

Maybe a voluptuous Viking maiden was seduced by a handsome Berber warrior and they lived a passionate love history.

[Coastal Elite]

These are my closest populations using unscaled. We are nearly opposite in that Shetlandic and Norwegian is lower down for me.



Very interesting. Seems like Shetlands is more distant from other populations in the area. It's closest population is Iceland but Iceland has about 6 places closer to it than Shetlands. All the distances are small so I could be splitting hairs.

Distance to: Shetlandic
0.01970152 Icelandic

Distance to: Icelandic
0.18553076 Swedish
0.18580060 Norwegian
0.18606398 Irish
0.18629293 Scottish
0.18629529 Orcadian
0.18630007 English_Cornwall
0.18639685 Shetlandic

[gixajo]

Where is Dutch?

He is an spy you know, today he needs to be Norwegian, it´s his secret identity.

[RyoHazuki]

Unscaled for me is more noisy.

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1656% / 0.01165576 | ADC: 1x
74.2 Icelandic
25.8 Irish

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1454% / 0.01145394 | ADC: 0.5x
64.8 Icelandic
31.6 Irish
2.8 Welsh
0.6 North_Ossetian
0.2 Somali_Kenya

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.0884% / 0.01088368 | ADC: 0.25x
66.4 Icelandic
27.4 Irish
2.4 North_Ossetian
1.6 Somali
1.6 Spanish_Soria
0.6 Yakut

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.0804% / 0.01080413
67.6 Icelandic
23.2 Irish
3.0 Spanish_Soria
2.8 North_Ossetian
1.8 Somali
1.0 Yakut
0.2 Karitiana
0.2 Koinanbe
0.2 Somali_Kenya

I always get Icelandic in these models but being an island populations it is a bit unlikely so with it removed.

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1829% / 0.01182943 | ADC: 0.25x
75.0 Irish
22.0 Swedish
1.2 North_Ossetian
1.0 Ethiopian_Jew
0.8 Yakut

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 1.1763% / 0.01176256
73.6 Irish
21.4 Swedish
2.0 North_Ossetian
1.6 Ethiopian_Jew
1.2 Yakut
0.2 Karitiana

Yeah, I removed UK/Iceland and the final result at 0.5x is pretty good.

Distance: 2.1823% / 0.02182330 | ADC: 0.5x
58.6 Irish
19.4 Dutch
16.2 Spanish_Asturias
5.8 German_East

[JamesBond007]

Where is Dutch?

Distance to: Kevin
0.01957079 Norwegian
0.02022574 Welsh
0.02057790 Dutch
0.02140719 French_Brittany
0.02155065 English
0.02177571 Irish
0.02241462 Scottish
0.02254314 French_Paris
0.02270386 Belgian
0.02282721 English_Cornwall
0.02345864 Orcadian
0.02365865 Icelandic
0.02378183 Shetlandic
0.02466289 French_Nord
0.02485174 Swedish
0.02506509 German

[JamesBond007]

Yeah, I removed UK/Iceland and the final result at 0.5x is pretty good.

Distance: 2.1823% / 0.02182330 | ADC: 0.5x
58.6 Irish
19.4 Dutch
16.2 Spanish_Asturias
5.8 German_East

Some people say the Norwegian samples are no good or trash so this is what happens when I remove Norwegian I get a good chunk of Dutch :


Target: Kevin
Distance: 1.8837% / 0.01883690 | ADC: 0.5x
64.4 Dutch
21.6 Welsh
14.0 Spanish_Soria

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Distance to: Kevin
0.01957079 Norwegian
0.02022574 Welsh
0.02057790 Dutch
0.02140719 French_Brittany
0.02155065 English
0.02177571 Irish
0.02241462 Scottish
0.02254314 French_Paris
0.02270386 Belgian
0.02282721 English_Cornwall
0.02345864 Orcadian
0.02365865 Icelandic
0.02378183 Shetlandic
0.02466289 French_Nord
0.02485174 Swedish
0.02506509 German

Are you starting to have second thoughts about hating on Scandiavians yet?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318341-Britain-gt-Scandinavia&p=6579906&viewfull=1#post6579906:


When new Gedmatch calculator comes out and Oracle shows him closest to one of Scandinavian groups he will buy horned helmet and larp on TA as Viking.

[RyoHazuki]

Some people say the Norwegian samples are no good or trash so this is what happens when I remove Norwegian I get a good chunk of Dutch :


Target: Kevin
Distance: 1.8837% / 0.01883690 | ADC: 0.5x
64.4 Dutch
21.6 Welsh
14.0 Spanish_Soria


I dont see many get welsh.

[JamesBond007]

Are you starting to have second thoughts about hating on Scandiavians yet?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318341-Britain-gt-Scandinavia&p=6579906&viewfull=1#post6579906:

I actually don't hate Scandinavians I just think certain anthro boards have more crypto-nazis or nordicists than the general population and Scandinavians are blonder than the UK and France or even Germany.

[altaic]

Target: Altaic
Distance: 1.0938% / 0.01093763 | ADC: 1x
74.6 Turkish_Adana
25.4 Turkish_Kayseri

Target: Altaic
Distance: 0.8865% / 0.00886534 | ADC: 0.5x
55.2 Turkish_Adana
20.0 Ezid
13.6 Greek_Central_Anatolia
9.8 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.8 Kurdish
0.6 Chuvash

Target: Altaic
Distance: 0.6169% / 0.00616854 | ADC: 0.25x
30.0 Greek_Central_Anatolia
21.2 Turkish_Adana
15.8 Armenian_Hemsheni
14.4 Ezid
6.0 Makrani
5.4 Kurdish
4.6 Chuvash
1.6 Aeta
0.6 Cossack_Kuban
0.2 Surui
0.2 Yakut

-------------------------------------------------

Distance to: Altaic
0.01115253 Turkish_Adana
0.01156042 Turkish_Kayseri
0.01283914 Turkish_Central
0.01430672 Azeri
0.01482515 Armenian
0.01569164 Turkish_Istanbul
0.01582446 Ezid
0.01606749 Georgian_Jew
0.01607311 Turkish_Aydin
0.01612965 Assyrian
0.01651979 Turkish_Southwest
0.01696532 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.01722450 Turkish_Northwest
0.01750410 Turkish_North
0.01788963 Turkish_South
0.01799069 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.01801409 Kurdish
0.01966781 Turkish_Trabzon
0.02036670 Turkish_Balikesir
0.02077678 Iranian_Lor
0.02097121 Iranian_Fars
0.02106159 Azeri_Dagestan
0.02114177 Azeri_Turkey
0.02164399 Iranian_Jew
0.02207450 Armenian_Hemsheni

[SUPREEEEEME]

With Jewish populations:



Target: SUPREEEEEME
Distance: 0.9511% / 0.00951118
36.6 Sephardic_Jew
15.6 Spanish_Asturias
12.0 Iraqi_Jew
10.4 Shetlandic
8.6 Karaite_Egypt
5.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
3.4 Mari
2.2 Russian_Smolensk
1.8 Sakha
1.0 Biaka
1.0 Gupta
1.0 Han_NChina
0.8 Sherpa
0.2 Saharawi
0.2 She


Without Jewish populations:


Target: SUPREEEEEME
Distance: 1.0292% / 0.01029196
24.2 Samaritan
18.0 Italian_Liguria
14.4 Spanish_Asturias
10.4 Iranian_Mazandarani
9.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
8.2 Shetlandic
5.6 Italian_Calabria
5.2 Mari
1.6 Sakha
1.2 Italian_Lombardy
1.0 Japanese
0.6 Biaka
0.4 She

[Grace O'Malley]

Some people say the Norwegian samples are no good or trash so this is what happens when I remove Norwegian I get a good chunk of Dutch :


Target: Kevin
Distance: 1.8837% / 0.01883690 | ADC: 0.5x
64.4 Dutch
21.6 Welsh
14.0 Spanish_Soria


There's nothing wrong with the Norwegian samples but there are only 7 so it might not be fully representative. The Irish samples for example are 64 and Dutch are also 64 which is quite a decent amount.

[Grace O'Malley]

Very interesting. Seems like Shetlands is more distant from other populations in the area. It's closest population is Iceland but Iceland has about 6 places closer to it than Shetlands. All the distances are small so I could be splitting hairs.

Distance to: Shetlandic
0.01970152 Icelandic

Distance to: Icelandic
0.18553076 Swedish
0.18580060 Norwegian
0.18606398 Irish
0.18629293 Scottish
0.18629529 Orcadian
0.18630007 English_Cornwall
0.18639685 Shetlandic

If you break down Shetlandic this is what they get.

Target: Shetlandic
Distance: 1.9367% / 0.01936704
98.0 Icelandic
2.0 Irish

With Icelandic removed.

Target: Shetlandic
Distance: 18.3130% / 0.18313048
61.8 Norwegian
27.4 Irish
10.8 Lithuanian_PZ

With Icelandic

Target: Icelandic
Distance: 1.9702% / 0.01970152
100.0 Shetlandic

With Shetlandic removed.

Target: Icelandic
Distance: 18.5453% / 0.18545336
41.0 Norwegian
36.6 Irish
20.0 Lithuanian_PZ
2.4 Swedish

So they are extremely similar. The distances can be affected by things like drift and these are two small island populations who would definitely be drifted. Shetland even more so than Iceland.

I actually made the mistake of using scaled with unscaled. :picard2:

So will do correctly. :)

That looks a bit better.

Target: Shetlandic
Distance: 0.6870% / 0.00686984 | ADC: 0.25x
55.0 Norwegian
39.2 Irish
2.4 Kaitag
1.6 Dinka
1.4 Greek_Thrace
0.4 Mlabri

Target: Shetlandic
Distance: 0.6782% / 0.00678162
53.4 Norwegian
38.6 Irish
2.8 Kaitag
2.0 Dinka
2.0 Greek_Thrace
0.8 Mlabri
0.4 Greenlander_East

Now the Icelanders.

Target: Icelandic
Distance: 0.5402% / 0.00540246 | ADC: 0.25x
51.4 Irish
33.8 Swedish
8.2 Norwegian
4.2 English
2.4 Finnish_East

Target: Icelandic
Distance: 0.5299% / 0.00529940
55.8 Irish
17.6 Swedish
10.2 English
8.2 Finnish_East
7.8 Norwegian
0.2 Mbuti
0.2 Yoruba

You would have to play around with the populations to get a more accurate result but this is using the full spreadsheet. Icelanders are basically a 70% Scando/30% Gaelic mix. Originally they were a more 50/50 mix and the Icelandic paper said it was due to less survival odds for the Gaels as they were more likely to be slaves. I think also the facts are that the Vikings lost their Gaelic connections and the Irish/Scots lost their connections with the Scandinavian element when the Normans came so Gaels and Norse Gaels ceased going to Iceland whereas over the years there has always been a steady trickle from the Scandinavian countries which over time boosted the Scandinavian ratio in the Icelanders. That seems a lot more logical to me and makes more sense.

[RyoHazuki]

If you break down Shetlandic this is what they get.

Target: Shetlandic
Distance: 1.9367% / 0.01936704
98.0 Icelandic
2.0 Irish

With Icelandic removed.

Target: Shetlandic
Distance: 18.3130% / 0.18313048
61.8 Norwegian
27.4 Irish
10.8 Lithuanian_PZ

With Icelandic

Target: Icelandic
Distance: 1.9702% / 0.01970152
100.0 Shetlandic

With Shetlandic removed.

Target: Icelandic
Distance: 18.5453% / 0.18545336
41.0 Norwegian
36.6 Irish
20.0 Lithuanian_PZ
2.4 Swedish

So they are extremely similar. The distances can be affected by things like drift and these are two small island populations who would definitely be drifted. Shetland even more so than Iceland.

Northern UK =Norse clay
Southern UK =French clay

[Grace O'Malley]

Northern UK =Norse clay
Southern UK =French clay

It would be great if there were Danes in the G25 also. Vikings in the Isles aren't a big factor but there needs to be a study done using actual pre-Viking Gaels, Brits, English and Viking samples not mixed with Gaels etc. I think the last few studies do make some sense when looking at history. The Vikings made the biggest impact on Shetland, Orkney then only about 7% in Ireland and 4% in mainland Scotland. Less in other parts of the UK although these admixtures are a bit suss because they use modern populations which are not an ideal way to measure this. The geneticists do know this and will update when they have enough ancient genomes. I've updated my previous post because I used scaled with unscaled.

[Token]

:picard2:

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm disappointed to see Token banned. I hope it's his choice and he will be back.

Regarding scaled/unscaled this is straight from the horse's mouth.


Always use scaled coords with the scaled datasheets, and unscaled coords with the unscaled datasheets. Then compare results and decide what makes more sense.

But the scaled coordinates show a much closer correlation with results from analyses based on formal statistics, FST distance, and PCA based on raw genotype data.

For instance, the PCA here are based on the scaled coordinates, and they look exactly like the PCA that I run with raw genotype data.

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#

The unscaled coordinates cannot produce PCA like this.

[Dunai]

Distance to: Dunai
0.01289360 Austrian
0.01375010 Hungarian
0.01398623 Croatian
0.01452849 Czech
0.01716979 Slovakian
0.01717439 Bosnian
0.01808414 Slovenian
0.01824110 German_East
0.01902248 German
0.01904729 Montenegrin
0.02022366 Romanian
0.02081299 Moldavian_o
0.02095770 Serbian
0.02120000 Moldavian
0.02135263 Polish
0.02252271 Bulgarian
0.02317292 French_Alsace
0.02361830 Turkish_Balkans
0.02376429 Macedonian
0.02385769 Gagauz
0.02390319 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02398636 Italian_Northeast
0.02435614 Ukrainian
0.02457947 Swedish
0.02484693 Sorb_Niederlausitz

Target: Dunai
Distance: 0.6265% / 0.00626536 | ADC: 0.25x
35.2 Czech
17.0 Cossack_Kuban
11.6 Spanish_Soria
11.4 Croatian
9.8 Austrian
9.2 Adygei
3.8 Slovakian
1.0 Agta
1.0 Shor

[Ion Basescul]

Romanian/Moldavian wasn't picked for all of us

Target: Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA_unscaled
Distance: 0.9861% / 0.00986140
61.8 Slovakian
29.6 Greek_Peloponnese
3.6 Tibetan
2.0 Cossack_Kuban
1.6 Itelmen
0.6 Biaka
0.6 Nganassan
0.2 Ju_hoan_North

Target: Ion_Basescul_mom_unscaled
Distance: 0.8199% / 0.00819855
43.6 Greek_Peloponnese
40.2 Lithuanian_SZ
7.8 Lithuanian_RA
2.2 Mlabri
2.0 Slovakian
1.0 Bantu_Kenya
1.0 Eskimo_Chaplin
0.8 Greenlander_East
0.6 Ju_hoan_North
0.4 Eskimo_Naukan
0.4 Tubalar

Target: Ion_Basescul_dad_unscaled
Distance: 0.6342% / 0.00634223
48.8 Montenegrin
28.6 Lithuanian_RA
6.8 Macedonian
6.6 Abkhasian
3.6 Greek_Thrace
2.2 Sherpa
1.4 Biaka
0.6 Mbuti
0.6 Yakut
0.4 Aymara
0.4 Gupta

[Kyp]

Target: Kyp
Distance: 0.0130% / 0.01296811 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 Azeri_Turkey
38.6 German_East
5.2 Spanish_Asturias
3.0 Gupta
2.4 Tatar_Siberian

[IrisSelene]

Target: IrisSelene_scaled
Distance: 16.2329% / 0.16232910
72.4 Lithuanian_VZ
14.2 Sardinian
10.2 Sorb_Niederlausitz
3.2 English_Cornwall

LOL what, this makes no sense


Everyone's getting tatar and asian and im over here getting sardianian and lithuanian LOL

[IrisSelene]

Nevermind, I just noticed it must be done with the unscaled ones, hold up...


Target: IrisSelene
Distance: 0.7457% / 0.00745706
32.0 Albanian
30.2 Russian_Voronez
18.4 Greek_Thrace
8.0 Estonian
5.6 Kaitag
2.2 Biaka
1.6 Mari
1.0 Sakha
0.6 Gupta
0.2 Igorot
0.2 Japanese



Much better hahahah

[IrisSelene]

Target: IrisSelene
Distance: 0.8294% / 0.00829432 | ADC: 0.25x
22.4 Montenegrin
21.0 Russian_Voronez
17.8 Greek_Thrace
14.2 Serbian
12.4 Slovenian
7.4 Turkish_North
2.6 Chuvash
1.6 Biaka
0.6 Kaitag


hm

[Hapanuwa]

Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 1.2788% / 0.01278771 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Turkish_Istanbul

Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 1.1543% / 0.01154302 | ADC: 0.5x
58.6 Turkish_Istanbul
19.2 Turkish_Central
16.8 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
2.8 Abazin
2.0 Kumyk
0.6 Japanese

Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 0.8731% / 0.00873063 | ADC: 0.25x
33.8 Turkish_Istanbul
14.8 Lebanese_Christian
12.4 Kumyk
7.8 Abazin
7.4 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
7.2 Italian_Lazio
6.4 Italian_Liguria
4.0 Turkish_Trabzon
2.2 Japanese
2.2 Selkup
0.6 Han
0.4 Bajo
0.4 Koinanbe
0.2 Biaka
0.2 Turkish_Balikesir

[Hapanuwa]

Double