Is anyone here as English as me?

[RyoHazuki]

So exactly why does UK + Spain = England on G25?



Distance: 2.7162% / 0.02716245
92.2 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
3.6 East_Germanic:German_East
2.2 East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
1.0 Arabia:Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.8 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.2 Southern_African_Khoisan:Khomani_San

Distance: 2.8316% / 0.02831632 | ADC: 0.5x
98.4 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
1.2 East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.4 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria

[Trouble]

the fuck are you trying to say?

[Dick]

the fuck are you trying to say?

Is anyone here as English as him.

[Coastal Elite]

No, and my calculator proved it.

Distance: 2.9611% / 0.02961064
92.2 BadFood
5.4 Wine_Naps
1.0 Kabob
1.0 Putin
0.4 Baklava_CellPhones

Distance: 2.9674% / 0.02967371 | ADC: 0.25x
94.8 BadFood
4.6 Wine_Naps
0.6 Kabob[/QUOTE]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318290-Euro-Stereotype-Calculator-(Scaled)&p=6581738&viewfull=1#post6581738

[JamesBond007]

So exactly why does UK + Spain = England on G25?



Distance: 2.7162% / 0.02716245
92.2 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
3.6 East_Germanic:German_East
2.2 East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
1.0 Arabia:Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.8 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.2 Southern_African_Khoisan:Khomani_San

Distance: 2.8316% / 0.02831632 | ADC: 0.5x
98.4 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
1.2 East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.4 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria


I dunno, regular G25 seems off to me probably because is too overarchingly global in outlook and some of it's references are lackluster and even missing.

See here for what seems to be a good calculator vahaduo :


http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo.htm


Distance to: kevin
2.81662919 England
2.88652040 Dutch
3.75050663 Scotland
4.22808467 Southwest_English
4.31929392 Southeast_English
4.41881206 North_Dutch
4.97456531 West_Scottish
5.04011905 Irish
5.14975728 Orcadian
6.15706911 North_German
6.45000775 Danish

Target: kevin
Distance: 1.4861% / 1.48607186 | ADC: 0.25x
83.2 England
14.0 Norway
1.2 Chechen
0.8 Selkup
0.4 Papuan
0.4 Yoruban

Target: kevin
Distance: 1.3513% / 1.35132298
76.0 England
17.6 West_Norwegian
1.8 Chechen
1.2 French_Basque
1.0 Selkup
0.8 Norway
0.8 Yoruban
0.6 Papuan
0.2 Mari



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkF_XpA5P48

[RyoHazuki]

the fuck are you trying to say?

Either I am the most Anglo Anglo who lived or G25 looks at NW and SW admixed people and equates it purely to England.

[Celestia]

I'm pretty freakin English according to these calcs.. but not as English as you.
Congrats.

[JamesBond007]

Either I am the most Anglo Anglo who lived or G25 looks at NW and SW admixed people and equates it purely to England.

G25 tries to tell me I am closer to the Dutch and Norway first then to British isles groups second but that seems like nonsense to me. I can just look in the mirror and see I don't look Norwegian or Dutch.

[RyoHazuki]

I dunno, regular G25 seems off to me probably because is too overarchingly global in outlook and some of it's references are lackluster and even missing.

See here for what seems to be a good calculator vahaduo :


http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15-vahaduo.htm


Distance to: kevin
2.81662919 England
2.88652040 Dutch
3.75050663 Scotland
4.22808467 Southwest_English
4.31929392 Southeast_English
4.41881206 North_Dutch
4.97456531 West_Scottish
5.04011905 Irish
5.14975728 Orcadian
6.15706911 North_German
6.45000775 Danish

Target: kevin
Distance: 1.4861% / 1.48607186 | ADC: 0.25x
83.2 England
14.0 Norway
1.2 Chechen
0.8 Selkup
0.4 Papuan
0.4 Yoruban

Target: kevin
Distance: 1.3513% / 1.35132298
76.0 England
17.6 West_Norwegian
1.8 Chechen
1.2 French_Basque
1.0 Selkup
0.8 Norway
0.8 Yoruban
0.6 Papuan
0.2 Mari



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkF_XpA5P48

I tried and it basically gave me this. It says I'm Orcadian (Nordic + Celtic) + Norwegian. It even shows you are more southern than me (England is more south than Orkney).


Distance: 2.3193% / 2.31931659
84.6 Orcadian
7.4 West_Norwegian
4.8 Sardinian
1.8 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
1.4 Ossetian

Distance: 3.0651% / 3.06510159 | ADC: 0.5x
57.6 Orcadian
37.4 Southwest_English
4.2 West_German
0.6 Somali
0.2 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator

4.52751588 Orcadian
4.55089002 England
4.71843194 Dutch
4.75669003 Southwest_English
4.81731253 Scotland
5.44294957 Southeast_English
6.13544619 West_Scottish
6.34582540 North_Dutch
6.57711183 Irish
7.46452946 Belgium
8.20042682 Danish
9.11091653 Norway
9.19101191 North_German
9.20874584 West_Norwegian
9.29934944 Norwegian
9.38162033 West_German
9.66156820 South_Dutch
10.08202857 Swedish
11.43228761 North_Swedish
12.04202226 German_Bavarian
13.06613945 French
14.73743193 North_Swedish
16.15629289 Austria-Burgenland
16.56521657 Austria-Tyrol
16.94612345 Italy_Aostavalley

Genetically closer to Northern Swedes than even France.

[RyoHazuki]

I'm pretty freakin English according to these calcs.. but not as English as you.
Congrats.

Anglo pride worldwide.

[JamesBond007]

I tried and it basically gave me this. It says I'm Orcadian (Nordic + Celtic) + Norwegian. It even shows you are more southern than me (England is more south than Orkney).

Genetically closer to Northern Swedes than even France.

G25 and Dodecad K12b tell me I'm closest to Dutch. Do I look freaking Dutch to you ? I don't think so broham !

[Morticia]

Close, but not quite. I have a significant amount of German and Scandinavian admixture, and I score closer to SE English and NW German.

[RyoHazuki]

Close, but not quite. I have a significant amount of German and Scandinavian admixture, and I score closer to SE English and NW German.

The Anglo consumes all.

[Morticia]

The Anglo consumes all.

I just glanced at your 23andMe results. I actually scored much more English than you. hahahaha

[RyoHazuki]

G25 and Dodecad K12b tell me I'm closest to Dutch. Do I look freaking Dutch to you ? I don't think so broham !

Its not about my looks, its just about matching my paper trail. I've studied Anglo genetics for a while and despite being mixed, I am still closest to the Northern most parts of the isles, according to genetic tests.

[Grace O'Malley]

What reference are you using. Could you post it? Is it the LivingDNA G25 one?

I don't get English in my breakdowns for some reason even though I'm close distance wise.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.6967% / 0.01696669
50.0 Irish
45.6 Icelandic
3.6 Swedish
0.8 North_Ossetian

Just used my own selection just for this purpose so it wouldn't be good for everyone.


English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.1397525,0.0613546,0.0 431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.0034346,0.0063902,0.0 064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0 .0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0.0482532,0.038 3388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.0031318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
Greenlander_East,0.0700643,-0.2359412,0.1051331,0.0495984,-0.0797413,-0.0245733,-0.091863,-0.1047136,0.0029314,-0.0125338,0.0149576,-0.0039798,0.0044763,-0.0187779,-0.0246407,-0.011211,-0.0030858,0.0127111,0.0310474,0.0162994,0.0237359,-0.0373844,0.0080932,0.0308077,0.0343018
Greenlander_West,0.0803086,-0.176815,0.0983029,0.0511417,-0.0626783,-0.0164546,-0.0725662,-0.0846119,0.0048404,-0.0102052,0.0149939,-0.0044959,0.0026099,-0.0120343,-0.0145072,-0.0102096,-0.0069827,0.0084882,0.0223184,0.0142428,0.0193824,-0.0296767,0.0071484,0.0268444,0.0274626
Icelandic,0.1326987,0.1336267,0.067819,0.0563097,0 .0393663,0.0229619,0.0033488,0.0085188,0.0026418,6 .07e-05,-0.0054806,0.0051702,-0.0063675,-0.0090831,0.0230725,0.0052924,-0.0116909,0.0019109,0.0017389,0.0038873,0.0092545, 0.0028028,-0.0008422,0.0140179,0.0008282
Lithuanian_PA,0.1337421,0.1241485,0.0796195,0.0746 13,0.0421616,0.0291092,0.0087244,0.0134128,-0.0037324,-0.0263102,-0.0035118,-0.0091044,0.0186756,0.0266472,-0.0118755,0.0034972,0.0042865,0.0010292,0.0039282, 0.0012351,-0.0060519,-0.0032921,0.0093979,-0.006552,-0.0002845
Lithuanian_PZ,0.1356773,0.1255195,0.0883971,0.0871 131,0.044562,0.035447,0.0106459,0.0156685,-0.0030065,-0.0347524,-0.0067879,-0.0129784,0.0230573,0.0315155,-0.0071118,-0.0032219,-0.0034813,-0.0016344,0.000817,0.0034265,-0.0023459,-0.0059477,0.0084426,-0.0090132,0.0005148
Lithuanian_RA,0.135108,0.1240977,0.083306,0.080523 9,0.0431158,0.0294229,0.0123146,0.015207,-0.0044994,-0.0323469,-0.0030203,-0.012469,0.0240532,0.0300018,-0.0152957,0.0017237,0.0070014,-0.0013936,0.00494,0.0030138,-0.0053282,-0.0060342,0.010057,-0.0066392,-0.0003714
Lithuanian_SZ,0.1347664,0.1258242,0.0861344,0.0877 268,0.0448392,0.0315424,0.0128081,0.0185529,-0.0019633,-0.0353537,-0.0039137,-0.0127386,0.0235031,0.0296026,-0.0123914,0.0018563,0.005111,-0.0012796,0.0020866,0.0021511,-0.0029574,-0.0067636,0.0070251,-0.0104229,0.0029337
Lithuanian_VA,0.1344249,0.1257226,0.0824762,0.0750 975,0.0433311,0.027889,0.0099878,0.014884,-0.0020454,-0.0298685,-0.0029553,-0.0138328,0.0200394,0.0280062,-0.0110613,0.0029435,0.0061411,-0.0005702,0.0023129,0.0061155,-0.003731,-0.00481,0.0072346,-0.0078805,-0.0008622
Lithuanian_VZ,0.1372991,0.1261795,0.0850879,0.0823 65,0.0444314,0.0326652,0.0104872,0.0176242,-0.0036048,-0.0315269,-0.0036131,-0.0097039,0.0199762,0.0301394,-0.0104505,-0.0045578,-0.0006029,0.0012828,0.0032525,0.0013445,-0.0043829,-0.0056728,0.00835,-0.005874,-0.001317
Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0557909,0. 0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.0046947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
Tabasaran,0.1114592,0.1049901,-0.0241356,0.007106,-0.0390842,0.0101688,0.0074478,-0.0053075,-0.0561496,-0.0344145,-0.001449,0.0038848,-0.009743,-0.0096229,0.0149083,0.0011727,0.001675,-0.0020565,-0.0031908,0.0054737,-0.0018526,0.0002662,0.0048351,0.0093523,-0.0034174
Welsh,0.1319779,0.1381628,0.0601319,0.0430236,0.04 05922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392,0.0062789,0.004 3372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0 .0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083
North_Ossetian,0.103579,0.0873353,-0.0301697,-0.023902,-0.0405203,0.0052987,0.0123773,-0.0014617,-0.05379,-0.030555,-0.0025983,0.0074933,-0.0183347,-0.0023857,0.010903,-0.0201977,0.0035637,-0.006292,-0.0139527,0.016633,0.0067797,0.0016483,-0.001479,-0.0090373,-0.0029937
Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0.0534334, 0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0.0057267, 0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461486,0.04 0469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.003576,0.0003 275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01875615 Irish
0.01914452 Icelandic
0.01963632 Scottish
0.02206228 English
0.02219810 Welsh
0.02336456 Norwegian
0.02454052 English_Cornwall
0.02458960 Dutch
0.02659290 Swedish
0.08382141 Lithuanian_PA
0.08664242 Lithuanian_VA
0.09099926 Lithuanian_VZ
0.09494843 Lithuanian_RA
0.09543377 Lithuanian_PZ
0.09755705 Lithuanian_SZ
0.15116471 Tabasaran
0.17548136 North_Ossetian
0.36569013 Greenlander_West
0.43681103 Greenlander_East

[RyoHazuki]

I just glanced at your 23andMe results. I actually scored much more English than you. hahahaha

Contradicting genetic results confuse me.

[JamesBond007]

So exactly why does UK + Spain = England on G25?



Distance: 2.7162% / 0.02716245
92.2 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
3.6 East_Germanic:German_East
2.2 East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
1.0 Arabia:Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.8 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.2 Southern_African_Khoisan:Khomani_San

Distance: 2.8316% / 0.02831632 | ADC: 0.5x
98.4 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
1.2 East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.4 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria


What custom calculator is that and is it scaled or unscaled ?

[RyoHazuki]

What reference are you using. Could you post it? Is it the LivingDNA G25 one?

I don't get English in my breakdowns for some reason even though I'm close distance wise.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.6967% / 0.01696669
50.0 Irish
45.6 Icelandic
3.6 Swedish
0.8 North_Ossetian

Just used my own selection just for this purpose so it wouldn't be good for everyone.


English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05
English_Cornwall,0.1301962,0.1397525,0.0613546,0.0 431826,0.0419013,0.0164115,0.0034346,0.0063902,0.0 064819,0.0069669,-0.0046342,0.0064788,-0.0137455,-0.0102476,0.0207548,0.003172,-0.012527,0.0021146,0.0037613,0.0032419,0.0048088,0 .0038712,-0.0007584,0.0143671,0.0006909
Irish,0.1334042,0.134875,0.0610876,0.0482532,0.038 3388,0.0188992,0.003,0.0047738,0.0031318,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.0143759,-0.0139278,0.0253478,0.0048208,-0.0110725,0.0022052,0.0007502,0.0013385,0.0051745, 0.0012249,-0.0003563,0.0147667,0.0010665
Greenlander_East,0.0700643,-0.2359412,0.1051331,0.0495984,-0.0797413,-0.0245733,-0.091863,-0.1047136,0.0029314,-0.0125338,0.0149576,-0.0039798,0.0044763,-0.0187779,-0.0246407,-0.011211,-0.0030858,0.0127111,0.0310474,0.0162994,0.0237359,-0.0373844,0.0080932,0.0308077,0.0343018
Greenlander_West,0.0803086,-0.176815,0.0983029,0.0511417,-0.0626783,-0.0164546,-0.0725662,-0.0846119,0.0048404,-0.0102052,0.0149939,-0.0044959,0.0026099,-0.0120343,-0.0145072,-0.0102096,-0.0069827,0.0084882,0.0223184,0.0142428,0.0193824,-0.0296767,0.0071484,0.0268444,0.0274626
Icelandic,0.1326987,0.1336267,0.067819,0.0563097,0 .0393663,0.0229619,0.0033488,0.0085188,0.0026418,6 .07e-05,-0.0054806,0.0051702,-0.0063675,-0.0090831,0.0230725,0.0052924,-0.0116909,0.0019109,0.0017389,0.0038873,0.0092545, 0.0028028,-0.0008422,0.0140179,0.0008282
Lithuanian_PA,0.1337421,0.1241485,0.0796195,0.0746 13,0.0421616,0.0291092,0.0087244,0.0134128,-0.0037324,-0.0263102,-0.0035118,-0.0091044,0.0186756,0.0266472,-0.0118755,0.0034972,0.0042865,0.0010292,0.0039282, 0.0012351,-0.0060519,-0.0032921,0.0093979,-0.006552,-0.0002845
Lithuanian_PZ,0.1356773,0.1255195,0.0883971,0.0871 131,0.044562,0.035447,0.0106459,0.0156685,-0.0030065,-0.0347524,-0.0067879,-0.0129784,0.0230573,0.0315155,-0.0071118,-0.0032219,-0.0034813,-0.0016344,0.000817,0.0034265,-0.0023459,-0.0059477,0.0084426,-0.0090132,0.0005148
Lithuanian_RA,0.135108,0.1240977,0.083306,0.080523 9,0.0431158,0.0294229,0.0123146,0.015207,-0.0044994,-0.0323469,-0.0030203,-0.012469,0.0240532,0.0300018,-0.0152957,0.0017237,0.0070014,-0.0013936,0.00494,0.0030138,-0.0053282,-0.0060342,0.010057,-0.0066392,-0.0003714
Lithuanian_SZ,0.1347664,0.1258242,0.0861344,0.0877 268,0.0448392,0.0315424,0.0128081,0.0185529,-0.0019633,-0.0353537,-0.0039137,-0.0127386,0.0235031,0.0296026,-0.0123914,0.0018563,0.005111,-0.0012796,0.0020866,0.0021511,-0.0029574,-0.0067636,0.0070251,-0.0104229,0.0029337
Lithuanian_VA,0.1344249,0.1257226,0.0824762,0.0750 975,0.0433311,0.027889,0.0099878,0.014884,-0.0020454,-0.0298685,-0.0029553,-0.0138328,0.0200394,0.0280062,-0.0110613,0.0029435,0.0061411,-0.0005702,0.0023129,0.0061155,-0.003731,-0.00481,0.0072346,-0.0078805,-0.0008622
Lithuanian_VZ,0.1372991,0.1261795,0.0850879,0.0823 65,0.0444314,0.0326652,0.0104872,0.0176242,-0.0036048,-0.0315269,-0.0036131,-0.0097039,0.0199762,0.0301394,-0.0104505,-0.0045578,-0.0006029,0.0012828,0.0032525,0.0013445,-0.0043829,-0.0056728,0.00835,-0.005874,-0.001317
Swedish,0.1340007,0.1283722,0.0715329,0.0557909,0. 0414202,0.0213225,0.006847,0.0089682,0.0046947,-0.0067261,-0.004451,0.001635,-0.0048315,-0.0036907,0.0150773,0.0039838,-0.0074379,0.002004,0.003851,0.0046385,0.0064205,0. 0021357,0.0009244,0.0106969,-0.0002994
Tabasaran,0.1114592,0.1049901,-0.0241356,0.007106,-0.0390842,0.0101688,0.0074478,-0.0053075,-0.0561496,-0.0344145,-0.001449,0.0038848,-0.009743,-0.0096229,0.0149083,0.0011727,0.001675,-0.0020565,-0.0031908,0.0054737,-0.0018526,0.0002662,0.0048351,0.0093523,-0.0034174
Welsh,0.1319779,0.1381628,0.0601319,0.0430236,0.04 05922,0.0166218,0.0033135,0.006392,0.0062789,0.004 3372,-0.0042302,0.0059122,-0.0129112,-0.0109754,0.0205954,0.005708,-0.0087032,0.0023564,0.003086,0.0020072,0.0049849,0 .0038518,-1.24e-05,0.0112243,0.0008083
North_Ossetian,0.103579,0.0873353,-0.0301697,-0.023902,-0.0405203,0.0052987,0.0123773,-0.0014617,-0.05379,-0.030555,-0.0025983,0.0074933,-0.0183347,-0.0023857,0.010903,-0.0201977,0.0035637,-0.006292,-0.0139527,0.016633,0.0067797,0.0016483,-0.001479,-0.0090373,-0.0029937
Norwegian,0.1338234,0.1279567,0.0679357,0.0534334, 0.0386443,0.0210366,0.0041964,0.0062964,0.0057267, 0.0003906,-0.0037349,0.0036823,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.0210754,0.0093949,-0.0054203,0.0026061,0.0006823,0.0007503,0.005633,0 .0055643,0.0042784,0.0177304,0.0010947
Dutch,0.1267527,0.1313048,0.0610935,0.0461486,0.04 0469,0.0166244,0.0065435,0.0080802,0.003576,0.0003 275,-0.0064447,0.0045873,-0.0087082,-0.0088422,0.0174443,0.005345,-0.0082143,0.0012669,0.0042698,0.0028138,0.0046909, 0.0028672,0.0002678,0.0153541,-0.0004921
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01875615 Irish
0.01914452 Icelandic
0.01963632 Scottish
0.02206228 English
0.02219810 Welsh
0.02336456 Norwegian
0.02454052 English_Cornwall
0.02458960 Dutch
0.02659290 Swedish
0.08382141 Lithuanian_PA
0.08664242 Lithuanian_VA
0.09099926 Lithuanian_VZ
0.09494843 Lithuanian_RA
0.09543377 Lithuanian_PZ
0.09755705 Lithuanian_SZ
0.15116471 Tabasaran
0.17548136 North_Ossetian
0.36569013 Greenlander_West
0.43681103 Greenlander_East

It was the Living DNA one yeah, but I get 90+% English + Orcadian so long as an England or Orcadian sample is used.

[RyoHazuki]

What custom calculator is that and is it scaled or unscaled ?

Scaled LivingDNA
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318576-LivingDNA-G25-Model-by-supreeeme

[JamesBond007]

Its not about my looks, its just about matching my paper trail. I've studied Anglo genetics for a while and despite being mixed, I am still closest to the Northern most parts of the isles, according to genetic tests.

Sometimes you have to mix looks in with genetics to make sense of all this contradicting tests man. For instance, you are noric and that is only 2% of England but you could be English but you would be far from the average. Scotland is 2% Noric. France is 30% noric and you k15 plot puts in you France. Austria is 35% noric so on and so forth

I am North-Atlantid. AncestryDNA has me as mostly Irish with my genetic community around Ulster Ireland (where there are some Scottish and English people as well as Irish). The rise of the Brunn type is Irish nationalism. I am North-Altantid with Brunn but minor Dinarid with possible Borreby but the Brunn is at a higher percentage than any possible Borreby). North-Atlantids can be found mostly in Wales, Western England and possibly Western parts of Scotland. G25 tries to tell me I am closest to Dutch and Norwegian but none of those nations have North-Atlantids my closest group is Dutch which is Germanic like the English so that might mean I am Western British when I take all that into consideration . North-Atlantid pretty much only exists in Britain. North-Atlantid : 35% North-Atlantid, England 15% North-Atlantid, Western Scotland 10% North-Atlantid :

https://i.postimg.cc/9fTCwCS5/1545743046159.jpg

[JamesBond007]

Scaled LivingDNA
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318576-LivingDNA-G25-Model-by-supreeeme

Alright, dude, notice how there is no Norman sample from France ? I have a hiberno-norman name and Dutch+French could approximate the elite Norman ruling class of Britain :

LivingDNA :
0.02865262 Northwest_Germanic: Dutch
0.03153596 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.03173767 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English


Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.7753% / 0.02775323 | ADC: 0.25x
92.0 Northwest_Germanic: Dutch
7.2 France:French_Paris
0.8 Indigenous_South_America:Quechua

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.7546% / 0.02754570
88.0 Northwest_Germanic: Dutch
10.6 France:French_Paris
1.0 Indigenous_South_America:Quechua
0.2 Papua:Papuan
0.2 Southern_African_Khoisan:Khomani_San


The Norman William The Conqueror defeated the Anglo-Saxons in 1066 in Britain and Dutch+French may be Norman or approximate Norman.

[Grace O'Malley]

Scaled LivingDNA
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318576-LivingDNA-G25-Model-by-supreeeme

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8893% / 0.01889346
77.8 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
22.2 Scandinavian:Swedish

No Irish used in that model.

[RyoHazuki]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8893% / 0.01889346
77.8 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
22.2 Scandinavian:Swedish

No Irish used in that model.

The English G25 samples are strange. I mostly have ancestry from the UK, but others with similar mixed ancestry to mine have it show in their G25 result more clearly. I on the other hand get almost all UK but no closer than this.

Distance to: Me
0.03018375 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
0.03171045 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.03391020 Northwest_Germanic:Dutch
0.03816967 Northwest_Germanic:Belgian
0.04335415 Southwest_Germanic:Swiss_German
0.04360312 France:French_Paris
0.04379272 Scandinavian:Swedish
0.04620065 East_Germanic:German_East
0.05560534 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.06093870 West_Balkans:Croatian
0.06206619 France:French_Provence
0.07115528 East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.07193884 East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.07343930 Northeast_Europe:Polish
0.07400048 East_Balkans:Romanian
0.07555993 West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.07645910 West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.07742954 Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.08002577 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.08064931 Northeast_Europe:Ukrainian
0.08166251 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
0.08544290 West_Russia:Russian_Smolensk
0.08794223 Finland:Finnish
0.09588639 Tuscany:Italian_Tuscany
0.09905488 West_Balkans:Albanian

Its very confusing to me, as England isn't modeled as a mix of Northern and Southern people, they're 100% From the UK/Benelux/Scandinavia.

[JamesBond007]

Its very confusing to me, as England isn't modeled as a mix of Northern and Southern people, they're 100% From the UK/Benelux/Scandinavia.

England is not a mix of Northern and Southern people that is France. You may find some small amounts of southern European genetics in the English but it would not be as much as it is in the French.:picard2:

[Grace O'Malley]

The English G25 samples are strange. I mostly have ancestry from the UK, but others with similar mixed ancestry to mine have it show in their G25 result more clearly. I on the other hand get almost all UK but no closer than this.

Distance to: Me
0.03018375 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
0.03171045 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.03391020 Northwest_Germanic:Dutch
0.03816967 Northwest_Germanic:Belgian
0.04335415 Southwest_Germanic:Swiss_German
0.04360312 France:French_Paris
0.04379272 Scandinavian:Swedish
0.04620065 East_Germanic:German_East
0.05560534 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.06093870 West_Balkans:Croatian
0.06206619 France:French_Provence
0.07115528 East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.07193884 East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.07343930 Northeast_Europe:Polish
0.07400048 East_Balkans:Romanian
0.07555993 West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.07645910 West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.07742954 Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.08002577 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.08064931 Northeast_Europe:Ukrainian
0.08166251 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
0.08544290 West_Russia:Russian_Smolensk
0.08794223 Finland:Finnish
0.09588639 Tuscany:Italian_Tuscany
0.09905488 West_Balkans:Albanian

Its very confusing to me, as England isn't modeled as a mix of Northern and Southern people, they're 100% From the UK/Benelux/Scandinavia.

Your distances are that close though. Compare to mine and I'm a bit drifted. There are many people closer than myself.

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01963632 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.02206228 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
0.02458960 Northwest_Germanic:Dutch
0.02659290 Scandinavian:Swedish
0.04070340 Northwest_Germanic:Belgian
0.04377645 East_Germanic:German_East
0.04761548 France:French_Paris
0.05029695 Southwest_Germanic:Swiss_German
0.05444134 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.06099953 West_Balkans:Croatian
0.06462540 Northeast_Europe:Polish
0.07109016 France:French_Provence
0.07212042 Northeast_Europe:Ukrainian
0.07686893 Finland:Finnish
0.07827033 West_Russia:Russian_Smolensk
0.08053296 East_Balkans:Romanian
0.08366022 East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.08377140 Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.08460214 East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.08906773 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
0.08993079 West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.09050665 West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.09261245 Mordovia:Mordovian
0.09543377 Baltics:Lithuanian_PZ
0.09646066 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria

If you use the full G25 Modern Avg sheet scaled what is your first 25 pops? Do you get English as your closest?

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01875615 Irish
0.01914452 Icelandic
0.01963632 Scottish
0.01980300 Orcadian
0.02206228 English
0.02219810 Welsh
0.02336456 Norwegian
0.02454052 English_Cornwall
0.02458960 Dutch
0.02493577 Shetlandic
0.02659290 Swedish
0.02758167 French_Brittany
0.03333011 German
0.04070340 Belgian
0.04377645 German_East
0.04383614 French_Nord
0.04754192 Austrian
0.04759052 French_Alsace
0.04761548 French_Paris
0.04816810 Czech
0.05029695 Swiss_German
0.05444134 Hungarian
0.05810468 French_Occitanie
0.06055514 Slovenian
0.06076095 Slovakian

[JamesBond007]

Your distances are that close though. Compare to mine and I'm a bit drifted. There are many people closer than myself.

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01963632 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.02206228 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
0.02458960 Northwest_Germanic:Dutch
0.02659290 Scandinavian:Swedish
0.04070340 Northwest_Germanic:Belgian
0.04377645 East_Germanic:German_East
0.04761548 France:French_Paris
0.05029695 Southwest_Germanic:Swiss_German
0.05444134 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.06099953 West_Balkans:Croatian
0.06462540 Northeast_Europe:Polish
0.07109016 France:French_Provence
0.07212042 Northeast_Europe:Ukrainian
0.07686893 Finland:Finnish
0.07827033 West_Russia:Russian_Smolensk
0.08053296 East_Balkans:Romanian
0.08366022 East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.08377140 Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.08460214 East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.08906773 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
0.08993079 West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.09050665 West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.09261245 Mordovia:Mordovian
0.09543377 Baltics:Lithuanian_PZ
0.09646066 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria

If you use the full G25 Modern Avg sheet scaled what is your first 25 pops? Do you get English as your closest?

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01875615 Irish
0.01914452 Icelandic
0.01963632 Scottish
0.01980300 Orcadian
0.02206228 English
0.02219810 Welsh
0.02336456 Norwegian
0.02454052 English_Cornwall
0.02458960 Dutch
0.02493577 Shetlandic
0.02659290 Swedish
0.02758167 French_Brittany
0.03333011 German
0.04070340 Belgian
0.04377645 German_East
0.04383614 French_Nord
0.04754192 Austrian
0.04759052 French_Alsace
0.04761548 French_Paris
0.04816810 Czech
0.05029695 Swiss_German
0.05444134 Hungarian
0.05810468 French_Occitanie
0.06055514 Slovenian
0.06076095 Slovakian

Right his distances are too far. You have to keep it 0.03 and below to keep it real and many natives score 0.025 and below.

[RyoHazuki]

England is not a mix of Northern and Southern people that is France. You may find some small amounts of southern European genetics in the English but it would not be as much as it is in the French.:picard2:

That's exactly what I said, no?

[JamesBond007]

That's exactly what I said, no?

yes, but you said it was confusing to you so you in turned confused me I guess ?

[RyoHazuki]

Your distances are that close though. Compare to mine and I'm a bit drifted. There are many people closer than myself.

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01963632 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:Scottish
0.02206228 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
0.02458960 Northwest_Germanic:Dutch
0.02659290 Scandinavian:Swedish
0.04070340 Northwest_Germanic:Belgian
0.04377645 East_Germanic:German_East
0.04761548 France:French_Paris
0.05029695 Southwest_Germanic:Swiss_German
0.05444134 Pannonia:Hungarian
0.06099953 West_Balkans:Croatian
0.06462540 Northeast_Europe:Polish
0.07109016 France:French_Provence
0.07212042 Northeast_Europe:Ukrainian
0.07686893 Finland:Finnish
0.07827033 West_Russia:Russian_Smolensk
0.08053296 East_Balkans:Romanian
0.08366022 East_Iberia:Spanish_Aragon
0.08377140 Basque:Basque_Spanish
0.08460214 East_Iberia:Spanish_Eivissa
0.08906773 East_Balkans:Bulgarian
0.08993079 West_Iberia:Portuguese
0.09050665 West_Iberia:Spanish_Andalucia
0.09261245 Mordovia:Mordovian
0.09543377 Baltics:Lithuanian_PZ
0.09646066 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria

If you use the full G25 Modern Avg sheet scaled what is your first 25 pops? Do you get English as your closest?

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01875615 Irish
0.01914452 Icelandic
0.01963632 Scottish
0.01980300 Orcadian
0.02206228 English
0.02219810 Welsh
0.02336456 Norwegian
0.02454052 English_Cornwall
0.02458960 Dutch
0.02493577 Shetlandic
0.02659290 Swedish
0.02758167 French_Brittany
0.03333011 German
0.04070340 Belgian
0.04377645 German_East
0.04383614 French_Nord
0.04754192 Austrian
0.04759052 French_Alsace
0.04761548 French_Paris
0.04816810 Czech
0.05029695 Swiss_German
0.05444134 Hungarian
0.05810468 French_Occitanie
0.06055514 Slovenian
0.06076095 Slovakian

Yes England is my closest

0.02938344 English_Cornwall
0.03018375 English
0.03070766 Orcadian
0.03171045 Scottish
0.03328919 Welsh
0.03391020 Dutch
0.03474354 French_Brittany
0.03498638 Irish
0.03816967 Belgian
0.03836167 Shetlandic
0.03889071 German
0.03900142 Icelandic
0.03975137 French_Nord
0.04142096 French_Alsace
0.04335415 Swiss_German
0.04360312 French_Paris
0.04379272 Swedish
0.04443804 Norwegian
0.04620065 German_East
0.04896195 Austrian
0.05087806 French_Occitanie
0.05472363 French_Auvergne
0.05558481 Czech
0.05560534 Hungarian
0.05849165 Italian_Aosta_Valley

[RyoHazuki]

Right his distances are too far. You have to keep it 0.03 and below to keep it real and many natives score 0.025 and below.

My closest is .029

[JamesBond007]

My closest is .029


Well, first of all you are Catholic which means you are de facto not English.

Honestly, dude , I take all this genetic stuff with a grain of salt. AncestryDNA says I am mostly Irish/Scottish, Gedmatch Eurogenes has me all over the British isles depending on the calc, puntdnal has me as English and Scottish etc.. depending on the calculator, Dodecad has me as Scottish or Dutch depending on the calculator etc.. etc.. G25 has me as closest to the Dutch and then Norwegians.

An Italian American called me a WASP. Another New Yorker said I look British ... I am North-Atlantid and this is the best thing since sliced bread --- It shows I am within the English and Dutch clusters while still being close to the Irish and Norwegians :

https://i.postimg.cc/m2QLT39T/jb007.png

[JamesBond007]

My closest is .029

Nigga you are Catholic that means you are not Englsh as a matter of fact. What do you think you are Guy Fawkes or something ? Anglicanism is Catholicism-lite and is indepedent from the Pope.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes England is my closest

0.02938344 English_Cornwall
0.03018375 English
0.03070766 Orcadian
0.03171045 Scottish
0.03328919 Welsh
0.03391020 Dutch
0.03474354 French_Brittany
0.03498638 Irish
0.03816967 Belgian
0.03836167 Shetlandic
0.03889071 German
0.03900142 Icelandic
0.03975137 French_Nord
0.04142096 French_Alsace
0.04335415 Swiss_German
0.04360312 French_Paris
0.04379272 Swedish
0.04443804 Norwegian
0.04620065 German_East
0.04896195 Austrian
0.05087806 French_Occitanie
0.05472363 French_Auvergne
0.05558481 Czech
0.05560534 Hungarian
0.05849165 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Yes you are closest to English but whatever your mix gives you a little more distance than a native Englishman. I think most Americans will not be as close as some natives due to the fact that they do have some other mixes in their ethnicity.

This is my mother for example. She is closer than me.

Distance to: Bridget_scaled
0.01700852 Irish
0.01830396 Scottish
0.01892150 Orcadian
0.02049081 English
0.02055881 Welsh
0.02117975 Icelandic
0.02189839 English_Cornwall
0.02276126 Shetlandic
0.02331810 Dutch
0.02463593 Norwegian
0.02539166 French_Brittany
0.02866399 Swedish
0.03278335 German
0.03801028 Belgian
0.04149965 French_Nord
0.04350481 German_East
0.04531866 French_Alsace
0.04592734 French_Paris
0.04635307 Austrian
0.04768858 Swiss_German
0.04788046 Czech
0.05338835 Hungarian
0.05611703 French_Occitanie
0.05953222 Slovenian
0.05995582 Croatian

This is her breakdown using the full G25.

Target: Bridget_scaled
Distance: 1.5554% / 0.01555360
61.0 Irish
31.8 Icelandic
3.0 Adygei
2.8 English_Cornwall
0.8 Swedish
0.6 Gupta

[RyoHazuki]

Yes you are closest to English but whatever your mix gives you a little more distance than a native Englishman. I think most Americans will not be as close as some natives due to the fact that they do have some other mixes in their ethnicity.

This is my mother for example. She is closer than me.

Distance to: Bridget_scaled
0.01700852 Irish
0.01830396 Scottish
0.01892150 Orcadian
0.02049081 English
0.02055881 Welsh
0.02117975 Icelandic
0.02189839 English_Cornwall
0.02276126 Shetlandic
0.02331810 Dutch
0.02463593 Norwegian
0.02539166 French_Brittany
0.02866399 Swedish
0.03278335 German
0.03801028 Belgian
0.04149965 French_Nord
0.04350481 German_East
0.04531866 French_Alsace
0.04592734 French_Paris
0.04635307 Austrian
0.04768858 Swiss_German
0.04788046 Czech
0.05338835 Hungarian
0.05611703 French_Occitanie
0.05953222 Slovenian
0.05995582 Croatian

This is her breakdown using the full G25.

Target: Bridget_scaled
Distance: 1.5554% / 0.01555360
61.0 Irish
31.8 Icelandic
3.0 Adygei
2.8 English_Cornwall
0.8 Swedish
0.6 Gupta

I am more mixed than average English people. But if its so, I don't see why it doesn't show in the G25 result. I haven't seen any users on here yet who've used this tool and landed in the 95-100% range on the English samples. Their mixed heritage is also showed more. I even have to remove England to illustrate my heritage slightly more accurately.

[Grace O'Malley]

I am more mixed than average English people. But if its so, I don't see why it doesn't show in the G25 result. I haven't seen any users on here yet who've used this tool and landed in the 95-100% range on the English samples. Their mixed heritage is also showed more. I even have to remove England to illustrate my heritage slightly more accurately.

I think it just depends on what your raw dna looks like. I come out with a reasonable amount of Scandinavian on these G25 models but I don't have any.

This Irish has the closest distance.

Distance to: Irish:Irish50
0.01680771 Irish
0.01803941 Scottish
0.01900033 English
0.01986664 Orcadian
0.02067701 Welsh
0.02078134 Shetlandic
0.02094901 English_Cornwall
0.02142339 Norwegian
0.02195818 Dutch
0.02217601 Icelandic
0.02389356 French_Brittany
0.02957183 Swedish
0.02962417 German
0.03502848 Belgian
0.03935452 French_Nord
0.04134450 French_Paris
0.04217523 German_East
0.04285928 French_Alsace
0.04376371 Austrian
0.04673188 Swiss_German
0.04705162 Czech
0.05155886 Hungarian
0.05438805 French_Occitanie
0.05754846 Slovenian
0.05839384 Croatian

This is what they get in their breakdown.

Target: Irish:Irish50
Distance: 1.6074% / 0.01607395
68.8 Irish
18.4 Norwegian
6.6 English
4.2 French_Paris
1.8 Latvian
0.2 Slovakian

[JamesBond007]

I think it just depends on what your raw dna looks like. I come out with a reasonable amount of Scandinavian on these G25 models but I don't have any.

This Irish has the closest distance.

Distance to: Irish:Irish50
0.01680771 Irish
0.01803941 Scottish
0.01900033 English
0.01986664 Orcadian
0.02067701 Welsh
0.02078134 Shetlandic
0.02094901 English_Cornwall
0.02142339 Norwegian
0.02195818 Dutch
0.02217601 Icelandic
0.02389356 French_Brittany
0.02957183 Swedish
0.02962417 German
0.03502848 Belgian
0.03935452 French_Nord
0.04134450 French_Paris
0.04217523 German_East
0.04285928 French_Alsace
0.04376371 Austrian
0.04673188 Swiss_German
0.04705162 Czech
0.05155886 Hungarian
0.05438805 French_Occitanie
0.05754846 Slovenian
0.05839384 Croatian

This is what they get in their breakdown.

Target: Irish:Irish50
Distance: 1.6074% / 0.01607395
68.8 Irish
18.4 Norwegian
6.6 English
4.2 French_Paris
1.8 Latvian
0.2 Slovakian

G25 coordinates are actually meant mainly to be used on PCA plot using something such as the PAST program, It is not fine tuned. The best use case in our scenarious is this tool as it is more fine grained :

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/09/celtic-vs-germanic-europe.html

My results :


https://i.postimg.cc/m2QLT39T/jb007.png

https://i.postimg.cc/FKC8kQHg/newplot-1.png

You can change the plot to show the different individual named Celtic and Germanic groups instead of having it just celtic vs germanic in the latter case.

[Grace O'Malley]

G25 coordinates are actually meant mainly to be used on PCA plot using something such as the PAST program, It is not fine tuned. The best use case in our scenarious is this tool as it is more fine grained :

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/09/celtic-vs-germanic-europe.html

My results :


https://i.postimg.cc/m2QLT39T/jb007.png

https://i.postimg.cc/FKC8kQHg/newplot-1.png

You can change the plot to show the different individual named Celtic and Germanic groups instead of having it just celtic vs germanic in the latter case.

Is that the Celtic vs Germanic plot? It is sensitive to drift so while it is interesting it is focusing on specific Irish/British drift. Davidski said the G25 is actually more informative.

[JamesBond007]

Is that the Celtic vs Germanic plot? It is sensitive to drift so while it is interesting it is focusing on specific Irish/British drift. Davidski said the G25 is actually more informative.

G25 is more informative because most people are not Irish/British ! G25 says I'm closest to Dutch and Norwegian meanwhile AncestryDNA says this :


https://i.postimg.cc/zfhnm9cX/ancestry.png

[RyoHazuki]

I think it just depends on what your raw dna looks like. I come out with a reasonable amount of Scandinavian on these G25 models but I don't have any.

This Irish has the closest distance.

Distance to: Irish:Irish50
0.01680771 Irish
0.01803941 Scottish
0.01900033 English
0.01986664 Orcadian
0.02067701 Welsh
0.02078134 Shetlandic
0.02094901 English_Cornwall
0.02142339 Norwegian
0.02195818 Dutch
0.02217601 Icelandic
0.02389356 French_Brittany
0.02957183 Swedish
0.02962417 German
0.03502848 Belgian
0.03935452 French_Nord
0.04134450 French_Paris
0.04217523 German_East
0.04285928 French_Alsace
0.04376371 Austrian
0.04673188 Swiss_German
0.04705162 Czech
0.05155886 Hungarian
0.05438805 French_Occitanie
0.05754846 Slovenian
0.05839384 Croatian

This is what they get in their breakdown.

Target: Irish:Irish50
Distance: 1.6074% / 0.01607395
68.8 Irish
18.4 Norwegian
6.6 English
4.2 French_Paris
1.8 Latvian
0.2 Slovakian

People from the Isles show Scandinavian and mixed Isles people are shown England. Their samples for North and West Europe are more southern shifted than expected.

[RyoHazuki]

G25 is more informative because most people are not Irish/British ! G25 says I'm closest to Dutch and Norwegian meanwhile AncestryDNA says this :


https://i.postimg.cc/zfhnm9cX/ancestry.png

I get 75% England on Ancestry. Rest is Irish/Scottish, Norwegian, Swedish, then of course 1% SSA and Jewish. 0% France. I've been told to read the English as French since the English DNA shares overlap with France on their map. But all that says is French people have English DNA, not vice versa. They are distinct populations not easily confused, especially if they're even capable of separating the freaking Nordic peoples of all groups lol

[JamesBond007]

I think it just depends on what your raw dna looks like. I come out with a reasonable amount of Scandinavian on these G25 models but I don't have any.

This Irish has the closest distance.

Distance to: Irish:Irish50
0.01680771 Irish
0.01803941 Scottish
0.01900033 English
0.01986664 Orcadian
0.02067701 Welsh
0.02078134 Shetlandic
0.02094901 English_Cornwall
0.02142339 Norwegian
0.02195818 Dutch
0.02217601 Icelandic
0.02389356 French_Brittany
0.02957183 Swedish
0.02962417 German
0.03502848 Belgian
0.03935452 French_Nord
0.04134450 French_Paris
0.04217523 German_East
0.04285928 French_Alsace
0.04376371 Austrian
0.04673188 Swiss_German
0.04705162 Czech
0.05155886 Hungarian
0.05438805 French_Occitanie
0.05754846 Slovenian
0.05839384 Croatian

This is what they get in their breakdown.

Target: Irish:Irish50
Distance: 1.6074% / 0.01607395
68.8 Irish
18.4 Norwegian
6.6 English
4.2 French_Paris
1.8 Latvian
0.2 Slovakian

My raw data is showing I am closest to Dutch or Norwegian and I have no Dutch ancestors that I know of etc... and AncestryDNA would say I am at most 6% Dutch and 4% Norwegian :

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02865262 Dutch
0.02966312 Norwegian
0.03097093 Welsh
0.03128912 Irish
0.03153596 Scottish
0.03173767 English
0.03264251 Orcadian
0.03323573 French_Brittany
0.03424261 English_Cornwall
0.03434002 Shetlandic
0.03554655 Icelandic
0.03738947 German
0.03825792 Swedish
0.03928185 Belgian
0.04385265 French_Nord
0.04392491 French_Paris
0.04724802 French_Alsace
0.04744540 Austrian
0.04923277 Swiss_German
0.05276384 German_East
0.05488643 Czech
0.05583738 Hungarian
0.05660079 French_Occitanie
0.05885390 Slovakian
0.05975983 French_Auvergne

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.6087% / 0.02608687 | ADC: 0.5x
48.2 Norwegian
43.6 Dutch
8.2 Spanish_Soria

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.3973% / 0.02397250 | ADC: 0.25x
72.6 Norwegian
14.2 Spanish_Soria
11.0 Dutch
1.4 Tajik_Shugnan
0.6 Biaka
0.2 Kosipe


My AncestryDNA again :

https://i.postimg.cc/zfhnm9cX/ancestry.png

[JamesBond007]

I get 75% England on Ancestry. Rest is Irish/Scottish, Norwegian, Swedish, then of course 1% SSA and Jewish. 0% France. I've been told to read the English as French since the English DNA shares overlap with France on their map. But all that says is French people have English DNA, not vice versa. They are distinct populations not easily confused, especially if they're even capable of separating the freaking Nordic peoples of all groups lol

That sounds like an English mix or close enough to it to me but why does your G25 have you as English but mine as me as Dutch or Norwegian instead of Scottish or English ? That is what is confusing me. I'm not saying I'm English but Dutch and Norwegian seems far off base and Scottish or Northern English would make more sense to me.

[Coastal Elite]

G25 is more informative because most people are not Irish/British ! G25 says I'm closest to Dutch and Norwegian meanwhile AncestryDNA says this :


https://i.postimg.cc/zfhnm9cX/ancestry.png

Your avatar has Close Encounters of the Third Kind vibe to it with the weird beams of light. What is the deal?

[RyoHazuki]

That sounds like an English mix or close enough to it to me but why does your G25 have you as English but mine as me as Dutch or Norwegian instead of Scottish or English ? That is what is confusing me. I'm not saying I'm English but Dutch and Norwegian seems far off base and Scottish or Northern English would make more sense to me.

An English French mix should be reflected in their result, not reported back as Anglo Nordic. And I have no idea why either.

[JamesBond007]

Your avatar has Close Encounters of the Third Kind vibe to it with the weird beams of light. What is the deal?

blowhl ! How do you like me now ! ? :P

[Grace O'Malley]

People from the Isles show Scandinavian and mixed Isles people are shown England. Their samples for North and West Europe are more southern shifted than expected.

No they are definitely not southern shifted. If you look at your breakdown you get some Arab and East African which is very southern. This is to compensate for your southern mixture. You should really get a more central point between your mixture but because the English is quite Northern your other ancestry gives you that more extreme result. If you notice my result or someone of fully British Isles ancestry they will not get that extreme pull. If you look at the populations that an ethnicity is closest to you can see that all Northwestern European populations are closest to each other so they aren't southern shifted.

There needs to be a good amount in each sample as well for the results to be accurate. I'm sure David will add more samples as he gets them.

You have to look at your full results to understand. Getting a northern population and then a very southern one i.e. Sardinian is the algorithm trying to balance your results. I hope that explains it. If you were to go on a plot you would be more south of the English because of that southern pull.

[RyoHazuki]

I contrived a simple model with Ireland, Sweden, Northern France, and NW Spain to show the difference in pull between myself and the English sample.



Target: Me
Distance: 2.9204% / 0.02920436
44.8 Irish
29.2 Swedish
26.0 Spanish_Asturias

Target: English
Distance: 0.6518% / 0.00651751
61.4 Irish
21.0 French_Nord
15.6 Swedish
2.0 Spanish_Asturias


I have more pull to both Scandinavia and SW Europe, England avg has more pull to Ireland and North France.

[dududud]

Sometimes you have to mix looks in with genetics to make sense of all this contradicting tests man. For instance, you are noric and that is only 2% of England but you could be English but you would be far from the average. Scotland is 2% Noric. France is 30% noric and you k15 plot puts in you France. Austria is 35% noric so on and so forth

I am North-Atlantid. AncestryDNA has me as mostly Irish with my genetic community around Ulster Ireland (where there are some Scottish and English people as well as Irish). The rise of the Brunn type is Irish nationalism. I am North-Altantid with Brunn but minor Dinarid with possible Borreby but the Brunn is at a higher percentage than any possible Borreby). North-Atlantids can be found mostly in Wales, Western England and possibly Western parts of Scotland. G25 tries to tell me I am closest to Dutch and Norwegian but none of those nations have North-Atlantids my closest group is Dutch which is Germanic like the English so that might mean I am Western British when I take all that into consideration . North-Atlantid pretty much only exists in Britain. North-Atlantid : 35% North-Atlantid, England 15% North-Atlantid, Western Scotland 10% North-Atlantid :

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Outdate map. Are you autistic?

You don't seem understand the concept of "genetic".

[RyoHazuki]

No they are definitely not southern shifted. If you look at your breakdown you get some Arab and East African which is very southern. This is to compensate for your southern mixture. You should really get a more central point between your mixture but because the English is quite Northern your other ancestry gives you that more extreme result. If you notice my result or someone of fully British Isles ancestry they will not get that extreme pull. If you look at the populations that an ethnicity is closest to you can see that all Northwestern European populations are closest to each other so they aren't southern shifted.

There needs to be a good amount in each sample as well for the results to be accurate. I'm sure David will add more samples as he gets them.

You have to look at your full results to understand. Getting a northern population and then a very southern one i.e. Sardinian is the algorithm trying to balance your results. I hope that explains it. If you were to go on a plot you would be more south of the English because of that southern pull.

I always took it that since they were in low quantities that the pull wasn't considerable. I underestimated in that case. You are def. right that I do generally plot south of England on PCAs.

[JamesBond007]

Outdate map. Are you autistic?

You don't seem understand the concept of "genetic".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G5rfPISIwo

https://assets.rbl.ms/18944391/origin.jpg

[J. Ketch]

I contrived a simple model with Ireland, Sweden, Northern France, and NW Spain to show the difference in pull between myself and the English sample.



Target: Me
Distance: 2.9204% / 0.02920436
44.8 Irish
29.2 Swedish
26.0 Spanish_Asturias

Target: English
Distance: 0.6518% / 0.00651751
61.4 Irish
21.0 French_Nord
15.6 Swedish
2.0 Spanish_Asturias


I have more pull to both Scandinavia and SW Europe, England avg has more pull to Ireland and North France.
Post your scaled coordinates and I'll plot you in the Northern European PCA, see if you fall in the English cluster.

[RyoHazuki]

Post your scaled coordinates and I'll plot in you in the Northern European PCA, see if you fall in the English cluster.

I'll DM. I predict I am closer to the fringe of English cluster.

[Grace O'Malley]

I contrived a simple model with Ireland, Sweden, Northern France, and NW Spain to show the difference in pull between myself and the English sample.



Target: Me
Distance: 2.9204% / 0.02920436
44.8 Irish
29.2 Swedish
26.0 Spanish_Asturias

Target: English
Distance: 0.6518% / 0.00651751
61.4 Irish
21.0 French_Nord
15.6 Swedish
2.0 Spanish_Asturias


I have more pull to both Scandinavia and SW Europe, England avg has more pull to Ireland and North France.

Yes that's better. The Brittany sample is very like British. They are clustering with Northwest Europeans but if you look at the samples together you can see they have slightly different pulls. A good gauge is to look at where Belgium is for these populations. Of course Brittany is going to be closer to Belgians but for Irish and Scots Scandinavians are closer than Belgians. This sort of shows a particular shift. I'll add England below. If you look at the Bretons though they get all the Northwestern populations before French region. I should look at what French_Nord gets.


https://i.imgur.com/9YNZqvh.png

https://i.imgur.com/Eq9RfBI.png

[RyoHazuki]

Yes that's better. The Brittany sample is very like British. They are clustering with Northwest Europeans but if you look at the samples together you can see they have slightly different pulls. A good gauge is to look at where Belgium is for these populations. Of course Brittany is going to be closer to Belgians but for Irish and Scots Scandinavians are closer than Belgians. This sort of shows a particular shift. I'll add England below. If you look at the Bretons though they get all the Northwestern populations before French region. I should look at what French_Nord gets.


https://i.imgur.com/9YNZqvh.png

https://i.imgur.com/Eq9RfBI.png

That's a good point, I never looked at it that way. Considering our distances now makes sense.

You
0.02336456 Norwegian
0.02659290 Swedish
0.04070340 Belgian

Myself
0.03816967 Belgian
0.04379272 Swedish
0.04443804 Norwegian

[Grace O'Malley]

What I also find interesting if you look at the above is that the Welsh are closer to the Germans even before Icelandic. The English are closer to Germans before the Scandinavians. It would be interesting to see if Danes were included in the G25.

[RyoHazuki]

What I also find interesting if you look at the above is that the Welsh are closer to the Germans even before Icelandic. The English are closer to Germans before the Scandinavians. It would be interesting to see if Danes were included in the G25.

I assume its England and Wales facing continental invasions on a wider scale than Scandinavian ones. Conquest never necessarily means intermarriage between peoples, but its an idea.

[JamesBond007]

What I also find interesting if you look at the above is that the Welsh are closer to the Germans even before Icelandic. The English are closer to Germans before the Scandinavians. It would be interesting to see if Danes were included in the G25.

Thanks Grace. Sorry, I know this thread is not about me but I have been trying to make sure of my genetics for years now. So the English and Welsh are closer to the Dutch and Germans and the Scots and Irish are closer to the Scandinavians but my G25 calculator says I am closest to Dutch and Norwegians and then to the Welsh and Irish so I am feeling like some kind of freak or outcast right now :P

[J. Ketch]

I'll DM. I predict I am closer to the fringe of English cluster.
You fall within the English, Cornish, Irish and just within the Scottish, Dutch and German clusters.
https://i.postimg.cc/sXLT0Jqk/ryohazuki.png

[Grace O'Malley]

You fall within the English, Cornish, Irish and just within the Scottish, Dutch and German clusters.
https://i.postimg.cc/sXLT0Jqk/ryohazuki.png

Can you plot me on there as well? I've been interested in a comparison. Is it okay if I send you my coordinates? Thanks

[J. Ketch]

Can you plot me on there as well? I've been interested in a comparison. Is it okay if I send you my coordinates? Thanks
Yep, I already have your coordinates, I've done the plot before.

[RyoHazuki]

You fall within the English, Cornish, Irish and just within the Scottish, Dutch and German clusters.
https://i.postimg.cc/sXLT0Jqk/ryohazuki.png

Thank you. That is very very close to English average. But I find it strange Cornish are closer to French cluster than I am, even by a little.

[RyoHazuki]

double post

[Grace O'Malley]

Thank you. That is very very close to English average. But I find it strange Cornish are closer to French cluster than I am, even by a little.

You're pretty British Isles on that plot. It makes sense that you fall within all those clusters.

[JamesBond007]

You fall within the English, Cornish, Irish and just within the Scottish, Dutch and German clusters.


Creoda, sorry to bother you but I sent you my coordinates if you don't mind plotting me too. Thanks.

[RyoHazuki]

You're pretty British Isles on that plot. It makes sense that you fall within all those clusters.

This is why I was confused, since I am mixed yet the closest person to the English average on that PCA, even closer than 3 different native UK people and can pass myself as 100% UK as a result.

[J. Ketch]

Can you plot me on there as well? I've been interested in a comparison. Is it okay if I send you my coordinates? Thanks


Creoda, sorry to bother you but I sent you my coordinates if you don't mind plotting me too. Thanks.
https://i.postimg.cc/K8HkJd3f/march28.png

[RyoHazuki]

Now that I look at it closer, whats odder is those parts where Cornwall and even Ireland overlap with Belgium and France, yet I'm more northern shifted than they are, enough to cluster with Scotland (IE the most northern shifted UK people). Idk its just not making sense to me, the PCA would tell you I am purely UK and not mixed whatsoever. I'm baffled lol.

[JamesBond007]

https://i.postimg.cc/K8HkJd3f/march28.png

Thanks alot bro I really appreciate it. I'm running fedora Linux and PAST does not run natively in Linux just mac and windows. Otherwise, I might have saved you the work and done it myself !

[RyoHazuki]

https://i.postimg.cc/K8HkJd3f/march28.png

We can all pass as Scottish haha..

[JamesBond007]

Now that I look at it closer, whats odder is those parts where Cornwall and even Ireland overlap with Belgium and France, yet I'm more northern shifted than they are, enough to cluster with Scotland (IE the most northern shifted UK people). Idk its just not making sense to me, the PCA would tell you I am purely UK and not mixed whatsoever. I'm baffled lol.

Bruh, you are like Heinz 57 with all the different color dots next to you. I think I'm looking quite Scottish in comparison but I could be wrong as these PCA's are like a moshpit to me but the fact Creoda made them different colors helps a lot.

[JamesBond007]

*edited out* double post

[JamesBond007]

We can all pass as Scottish haha..

Dude, I dunno why the god damn G25 vahaduo did not tell me I'm Scottish ! Some dude from California said I was medieval era Braveheart Scottish ! Looks like he was kind of correct. I don't care nothing against the Irish but I'd rather be Scottish than Irish.

[Grace O'Malley]

Now that I look at it closer, whats odder is those parts where Cornwall and even Ireland overlap with Belgium and France, yet I'm more northern shifted than they are, enough to cluster with Scotland (IE the most northern shifted UK people). Idk its just not making sense to me, the PCA would tell you I am purely UK and not mixed whatsoever. I'm baffled lol.

The Irish cluster is actually really large. The largest out of all the British Isles. Creoda's Dad who is Irish looks to be out of the Scottish cluster if I'm reading this correct. Also I fall within the Irish, Scottish and get into the Scando cluster. That German (actually Dutch not German) cluster is huge and everyone fall's within that.

Thanks Creoda for doing that. A picture is worth a thousand words. :)

Some Irish heading towards Scandinavia and some other's going towards Belgium. Never noticed that before. You can see the English with a German pull but not Scandinavia. Very intriguing.

[JamesBond007]

The Irish cluster is actually really large. The largest out of all the British Isles. Creoda's Dad who is Irish looks to be out of the Scottish cluster if I'm reading this correct. Also I fall within the Irish, Scottish and get into the Scando cluster. That German cluster is huge and everyone fall's within that.

Thanks Creoda for doing that. A picture is worth a thousand words. :)

Modern Irish people are like The Borg from Star Trek. Yes, Geeky reference. :P The Irish are like "resistance is futile you will be assimilated !"

[JamesBond007]

The Irish cluster is actually really large. The largest out of all the British Isles. Creoda's Dad who is Irish looks to be out of the Scottish cluster if I'm reading this correct. Also I fall within the Irish, Scottish and get into the Scando cluster. That German cluster is huge and everyone fall's within that.

Thanks Creoda for doing that. A picture is worth a thousand words. :)

A picture is worth a thousand words. Remember , I was saying early ,in this thread ,that G25 was meant for PCA plots primarily or something like that ? It's weird how most people are using it mostly outside of that function. Using G25 like how it is supposed to be used I am clearly Scottish but using it like how most blockheads use it it shows I am closest to the Dutch not the Scottish or even closer to the Welsh and Irish than the Scottish ! Stupid ! Doh !

[J. Ketch]

The Irish cluster is actually really large. The largest out of all the British Isles. Creoda's Dad who is Irish looks to be out of the Scottish cluster if I'm reading this correct. Also I fall within the Irish, Scottish and get into the Scando cluster. That German cluster is huge and everyone fall's within that.

Thanks Creoda for doing that. A picture is worth a thousand words. :)
The Irish cluster is so large because Ireland has so many samples (64). The English cluster would probably be just as large if not larger if it had more samples. So really you can't read too much into these NW Euro PCA clusters, when the overlap between all the populations is clearly massive.

[RyoHazuki]

The Irish cluster is actually really large. The largest out of all the British Isles. Creoda's Dad who is Irish looks to be out of the Scottish cluster if I'm reading this correct. Also I fall within the Irish, Scottish and get into the Scando cluster. That German cluster is huge and everyone fall's within that.

Thanks Creoda for doing that. A picture is worth a thousand words. :)

Maybe it would change with more samples from all of them. But its not the first PCA I took that put me squarely within the UK clusters. MyTrueAncestry put me exactly on the SE England marker. So maybe I'm just not mixed after all if I fall that well within near every UK cluster, and could pass myself as representing a very normal Northern Euro genome. I could easily sell myself as 100% NW Europe if I showed anyone this data.
https://i.imgur.com/DqaJjFj_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Grace O'Malley]

The Irish cluster is so large because Ireland has so many samples (64). The English cluster would probably be just as large if not larger if it had more samples. So really you can't read too much into these NW Euro PCA clusters, when the overlap between all the populations is clearly massive.

Pity those PoBI samples aren't available. Yes it would be great if there was more English samples. It is however interesting to me the wide spread of the Irish. Would have never guessed that to be the case. Your Dad's ancestry is from the Midlands if I remember correctly. Half mine is West Midlands and the other half is Munster. Interesting that your Dad falls in the Scandinavian cluster.

[JamesBond007]

Maybe it would change with more samples from all of them. But its not the first PCA I took that put me squarely within the UK clusters. MyTrueAncestry put me exactly on the SE England marker. So maybe I'm just not mixed after all if I fall that well within near every UK cluster, and could pass myself as representing a very normal Northern Euro genome. I could easily sell myself as 100% NW Europe if I showed anyone this data.
https://i.imgur.com/DqaJjFj_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Broham, did mytrueancestry uses Eurogenes k15 more or less I thought ?

1. Southwest_English (4.229)
2. Southeast_English (4.317)
3. North_Dutch (4.418)
4. Danish (4.780)
5. West_Scottish (4.970)
6. Irish (5.036)
7. Orcadian (5.145)
8. North_German (6.157)

https://i.postimg.cc/DwPymr03/pcaplot.jpg

[RyoHazuki]

Broham, did mytrueancestry uses Eurogenes k15 more or less I thought ?

1. Southwest_English (4.229)
2. Southeast_English (4.317)
3. North_Dutch (4.418)
4. Danish (4.780)
5. West_Scottish (4.970)
6. Irish (5.036)
7. Orcadian (5.145)
8. North_German (6.157)

https://i.postimg.cc/DwPymr03/pcaplot.jpg

If it did I'd be somewhere between England and France. We are very close here. I am basically pure Anglo Saxon according to these, which contradicts everything I've learned about my family. Doesn't change my identity, it should never, but its giving me a weird feeling that I don't belong.

[J. Ketch]

A picture is worth a thousand words. Remember , I was saying early ,in this thread ,that G25 was meant for PCA plots primarily or something like that ? It's weird how most people are using it mostly outside of that function. Using G25 like how it is supposed to be used I am clearly Scottish but using it like how most blockheads use it it shows I am closest to the Dutch not the Scottish or even closer to the Welsh and Irish than the Scottish ! Stupid ! Doh !
Your numerical distance to population averages is also worth remembering. Natives of NW Euro countries usually get under 0.025 / 2.5 distance from that population. If you don't get that you're not that close to the average and likely mixed. PCAs don't show the full story.

[JamesBond007]

If it did I'd be somewhere between England and France. We are very close here.

Yeah, that is the thing though man. There is inconsistencies in all these different genetic analyses so it is hard to know which one to take the most seriously. :confused:

[J. Ketch]

Pity those PoBI samples aren't available. Yes it would be great if there was more English samples. It is however interesting to me the wide spread of the Irish. Would have never guessed that to be the case. Your Dad's ancestry is from the Midlands if I remember correctly. Half mine is West Midlands and the other half is Munster. Interesting that your Dad falls in the Scandinavian cluster.
Yep, he's not even in the Irish cluster here, despite its size. You'd think if it was down to just Bell Beaker ancestry he and you would be drifted off to the West (North on the PCA), but who knows. I still have an open mind.

[JamesBond007]

Your numerical distance to population averages is also worth remembering. Natives of NW Euro countries get under 0.025 / 2.5 distance from that population. If you don't get that you're not that close to them and probably mixed. PCAs don't show the full story.

I get 0.028/2.8 closeness to the Dutch to say someone at 0.025/2.5 is native and not mixed but someone at 2.8 is too mixed is hairsplitting par excellence ! Or at least it seems that way to me.

[J. Ketch]

I get 0.028/2.8 closeness to the Dutch to say someone at 0.025/2.5 is native and not mixed but someone at 2.8 is too mixed is hairsplitting par excellence ! Or at least it seems that way to me.
You're obviously not Dutch though so it's a bad example for you to use.

I'm not splitting hairs by saying natives don't get 3.0+ distance, which is what all your British Isles populations are IIRC.

[JamesBond007]

You're obviously not Dutch though so it's a bad example for you to use.

I'm not splitting hairs by saying natives don't get 3.0+ distance, which is what all your British Isles populations are IIRC.

With all due respect : I did not pick Dutch for no reason. I picked it because G25 scaled says that is my closest population dude. Some British islanders, not the majority, may be more Dutch, Danish and perhaps Norwegian shifted due to the Germanic invasions.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yep, he's not even in the Irish cluster here, despite its size. You'd think if it was down to just Bell Beaker ancestry he and you would be drifted off to the West (North on the PCA), but who knows. I still have an open mind.

It could be due to differences between the Irish anyway. Cassidy's paper should be out in a couple of months. This one will just go up to the early Bronze Age but should still be interesting to see if the Irish had some slightly different Beakers i.e some more Northern and some possibly from France. Her second paper will focus more on the later periods.

[J. Ketch]

I get 0.028/2.8 closeness to the Dutch to say someone at 0.025/2.5 is native and not mixed but someone at 2.8 is too mixed is hairsplitting par excellence ! Or at least it seems that way to me.
OK, I may be wrong on this point. Many Insular Celts do have drift which increases their distances.

[Grace O'Malley]

OK, I may be wrong on this point. Many Insular Celts do have drift which increases their distances.

Drift has to be taken into account with FST distances. Irish are definitely a bit drifted for example which shouldn't be surprising. English are a much more core population which is to be expected as well. You can see what drift has done with the G25 plot. I'd bet those showing the most drift are from the west and northwest of Ireland.

Americans though wouldn't have drift. Their increased distances are due to their mixture.

[JamesBond007]

Drift has to be taken into account with FST distances. Irish are definitely a bit drifted for example which shouldn't be surprising. English are a much more core population which is to be expected as well. You can see what drift has done with the G25 plot. I'd bet those showing the most drift are from the west and northwest of Ireland.

Americans though wouldn't have drift. Their increased distances are due to their mixture.

Uh, yeah , but are these absolute FST distances ? Because scientists , using their own professional tools, consider the average absolute FST distance to any random population to be 15 so saying 2.5 is native but 2.8 is not is hair splitting or at least that is the way it seems to me.

[J. Ketch]

Drift has to be taken into account with FST distances. Irish are definitely a bit drifted for example which shouldn't be surprising. English are a much more core population which is to be expected as well. You can see what drift has done with the G25 plot. I'd bet those showing the most drift are from the west and northwest of Ireland.

Americans though wouldn't have drift. Their increased distances are due to their mixture.
Yeah, I just remembered that my dad is a bit drifted, so it kind of undermined my own point lol

But my point about looking at both PCA's and distances together, and not taking PCA's too literally, stands.

Eg, despite my father being in the Norwegian cluster in the PCA, he's actually considerably further away from the Norwegian average than my mother, who's also closer to the Irish average :confused:



Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.01886201 Welsh
0.02002575 Dutch
0.02105966 Scottish
0.02114182 English
0.02167288 Orcadian
0.02183018 Norwegian
0.02203865 Irish
0.02218829 Shetlandic
0.02288413 French_Brittany
0.02406696 English_Cornwall
0.02451632 German
0.02504237 Icelandic
0.02711766 Swedish
0.03180125 Belgian

Distance to: CreodaDad_scaled
0.02309102 Orcadian
0.02408025 Icelandic
0.02433498 Scottish
0.02571521 Irish
0.02731585 English_Cornwall
0.02732138 English
0.02929440 Welsh
0.02977876 Shetlandic
0.03036280 Dutch
0.03200460 Norwegian
0.03209118 Swedish
0.03381089 French_Brittany
0.03827258 German

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, I just remembered my dad is a bit drifted, so it kind of undermined my own point lol

But my point about looking at both PCA's and distances together, and not taking PCA's too literally, stands.

Eg, despite my father being in the Norwegian cluster in the PCA, he's actually considerably further away from the Norwegian average than my mother, who's also closer to the Irish average :confused:



Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.01886201 Welsh
0.02002575 Dutch
0.02105966 Scottish
0.02114182 English
0.02167288 Orcadian
0.02183018 Norwegian
0.02203865 Irish
0.02218829 Shetlandic
0.02288413 French_Brittany
0.02406696 English_Cornwall
0.02451632 German
0.02504237 Icelandic
0.02711766 Swedish
0.03180125 Belgian

Distance to: CreodaDad_scaled
0.02309102 Orcadian
0.02408025 Icelandic
0.02433498 Scottish
0.02571521 Irish
0.02731585 English_Cornwall
0.02732138 English
0.02929440 Welsh
0.02977876 Shetlandic
0.03036280 Dutch
0.03200460 Norwegian
0.03209118 Swedish
0.03381089 French_Brittany
0.03827258 German

Yes your mother being English would be closer to more populations. The Irish though do seem to be a bit more Scandinavian shifted but this could be that they retained more Beaker which makes them look like that. Distance to populations is affected by things like drift so a population could have more of a certain admixture but still be more distant due to things like drift. Icelanders would be even more drifted for example. I would really like to see Danes in the G25 to see how they compare. I wouldn't be surprised if English are closer to Danes.

[JamesBond007]

Yes your mother being English would be closer to more populations. The Irish though do seem to be a bit more Scandinavian shifted but this could be that they retained more Beaker which makes them look like that. Distance to populations is affected by things like drift so a population could have more of a certain admixture but still be more distant due to things like drift. Icelanders would be even more drifted for example. I would really like to see Danes in the G25 to see how they compare. I wouldn't be surprised if English are closer to Danes.

If Danes were in the mix it would give me better orientation. Right now I get a lot Norwegian in my mix with some other stuff that shifts me towards Dutch. However, if there were Danes in G25 I might cluster closer to Danes than Norwegians and that would orient me towards the English and would give me proper bearings to orient myself in general. If I still cluster towards the Norwegians more than the Danes that would speak volumes for me even though the FST differences are likely small on the grand scheme of things.

[Grace O'Malley]

Uh, yeah , but are these absolute FST distances ? Because scientists , using their own professional tools, consider the average absolute FST distance to any random population to be 15 so saying 2.5 is native but 2.8 is not is hair splitting or at least that is the way it seems to me.

You're not really mixed as all your ethnicities are not too different but still it would make you less close to a population than someone who is just from that ethnicity. I mean why do you want to be close to one ethnicity anyway?

[JamesBond007]

You're not really mixed as all your ethnicities are not too different but still it would make you less close to a population than someone who is just from that ethnicity. I mean why do you want to be close to one ethnicity anyway?

Why do I want to be close to one ethnicity anyway ? Because it is inevitable logically that I am going to be closest to one so I might was well find out which one it is.:confused: In the very least it is good to know if one is more Celtic, Germanic , Romance or Slavic.

[Grace O'Malley]

Why do I want to be close to one ethnicity anyway ? Because it is inevitable logically that I am going to be closest to one so I might was well find out which one it is.:confused: In the very least it is good to know if one is more Celtic, Germanic , Romance or Slavic.

That doesn't mean much really as you are the sum of all your ethnicities. Someone like Daco Celtic plots as French but he isn't French.

[JamesBond007]

That doesn't mean much really as you are the sum of all your ethnicities. Someone like Daco Celtic plots as French but he isn't French.

Daco Celtic is not French mainly for cultural reasons, not genetic, for instance, he does not speak French. Even if I am the sum of all my ethnicities I would still be mostly Celtic or Germanic.

[Grace O'Malley]

Daco Celtic is not French mainly for cultural reasons, not genetic, for instance, he does not speak French. Even if I am the sum of all my ethnicities I would still be mostly Celtic or Germanic.

He's not French because he has no French ancestry. He's half Irish half Romanian which happens to plot him as French. When looking at IBD he would come out as half Irish / half Romanian but when you use things like distances he comes out the same as French but he of course isn't French. You would know this.

You are mostly a Northwestern European mix. The Celtic vs Germanic thing is more a language divide IMO. Celtic doesn't mean much genetically as Insular Celts are just Northwestern Europeans when going by genetics. I mean you shouldn't have much identity issues because your ancestry is from that general area.

[RyoHazuki]

That doesn't mean much really as you are the sum of all your ethnicities. Someone like Daco Celtic plots as French but he isn't French.

Its true. If I represented my ethnicity mixture as a 33/33/33 mix between Scandinavia, England, and Spain (conduit for Southern France since those samples don't work for me) I'd still come out as squarely within English, Irish, or on the fringes of Scotland or Netherlands (using this PCA anyways).

[PaleoEuropean]

So exactly why does UK + Spain = England on G25?



Distance: 2.7162% / 0.02716245
92.2 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
3.6 East_Germanic:German_East
2.2 East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
1.0 Arabia:Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.8 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria
0.2 Southern_African_Khoisan:Khomani_San

Distance: 2.8316% / 0.02831632 | ADC: 0.5x
98.4 Great_Britain_&_Ireland:English
1.2 East_African_Afro-Asiatic:Ethiopian_Amhara
0.4 North_Italy:Italian_Liguria


Basques have Neolithic Farmer and Cm genetics.

[RyoHazuki]

Basques have Neolithic Farmer and Cm genetics.

Usually I will get 90+% Northern Europe on G25 but at a low distance (>2.5%), that is if I don't remove UK samples.