WHG vs Taforalt: Why north africans have morw Hunter Gather ancestry than Euros.

[Synapsid]

Both were Epi-Paleolithic and Mesolithic living in the opposite side of the Med, yet there was a greater population replacement in Europe compared to North Africa. Why was this the case? Why had farmers in North Africans had more taforalt than farmers in Europe who had less WHG. Of course I am factoring in steppe invasions.

[Raizen]

Maybe more geographic barriers?

[Zoro]

Both were Epi-Paleolithic and Mesolithic living in the opposite side of the Med, yet there was a greater population replacement in Europe compared to North Africa. Why was this the case? Why had farmers in North Africans had more taforalt that farmers in Europe who had less WHG. Of course I am factoring in steppe invasions.

First you would have to fill in some more blanks so that we know what you are talking about. What tests for starters? Formal or informal.

[Rocinante]

Who said that farmers in NA or actually NAs have more WHG than EEF?

[Raizen]

Who said that farmers in NA or actually NAs have more WHG than EEF?

He is talking about the North African hunter-gatherers aka Taforalt.

[Rocinante]

He is talking about the North African hunter-gatherers aka Taforalt.

Taforalt isn't related with WHG.

[Synapsid]

Taforalt isn't related with WHG.

Im saying, why NA have more of their native hunter gatherers compared to Europeans . I.E. Morrocans farmers have high taforalt while Iberian farmers low level WHG

[Synapsid]

Maybe more geographic barriers?

What barrier do NA have that Western Europeans lack?

[Nassbean]

there are way less geographical barriers if you came from the steppe and go southward while in north africa you have the mediterranean basin,the sahara and a trip of 2500 km from the levant if you want to reach tunisia...(even during the green sahara period it wasn't really all "green")

[Zoro]

Im saying, why NA have more of their native hunter gatherers compared to Europeans . I.E. Morrocans farmers have high taforalt while Iberian farmers low level WHG

How many assumed ancestral components are you basing your statement on for Europe vs Africa. off the top of my head Europe seems to have been a more attractive destination and has had more migratory events dilute their native WHG

[War Chef]

Taforalt people were similar to Natufians, no?

[Synapsid]

First you would have to fill in some more blanks so that we know what you are talking about. What tests for starters? Formal or informal.
25nmote, I can't use my computer which had the D-stats/f3/f4 software since I am in quarentine in a uni town
Look at the taforalt in modern North Africans, or Guanches in 25nmonte. Its quite high. Compare that to WHG in bronze farmer (late farmer, before the indo europe flooded in), it quite low. Only TRB/Amphora had more significant WHG levels

[Adamm]

Iberimaurusians lived in the Mountainsides of the North African coastline, very hard for enemies to conquer and expel them.

[Synapsid]

Taforalt people were similar to Natufians, no?

Natufians had 14% taforalt. But taforalt was 55% Dzudzuana, while Natufians were 86% Dzudzuana.

[Nassbean]

Taforalt people were similar to Natufians, no?

nope two distinct population with natufians having some taforalt admixture

[Synapsid]

Iberimaurusians lived in the Mountainsides of the North African coastline, very hard for enemies to conquer and expel them.

How is that any different from the alps or Iberian mountains?

[Adamm]

How is that any different from the alps or Iberian mountains?

I have no idea but the Iberomaurisians had the Sahara as a barrier, the sea as a barrier, maybe that kept the enemies away?

[Synapsid]

How many assumed ancestral components are you basing your statement on for Europe vs Africa. off the top of my head Europe seems to have been a more attractive destination and has had more migratory events dilute their native WHG

I am talking about just European farmers. Factor out the steppe invasion. It seemed EEF or related Near Eastern Farmers were success in Europe compared to North Africa, although there some increase in WHG ancestry in Europe from the middle neolithic to the Bronze age

[Rocinante]

Im saying, why NA have more of their native hunter gatherers compared to Europeans . I.E. Morrocans farmers have high taforalt while Iberian farmers low level WHG

Well, ANF literally made a sucessful life and history in Europe, so places like the iberian peninsula, the WHG that went there for a long time, it's not that they left there, the thing is that they didn't reproduce like farmers and the mix was going to be with overwhelming pred. ANF

Target: Iberia_N
Distance: 4.5531% / 0.04553104
86.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
13.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Just 13.2% in Iberia, now let's see NA:

Target: MAR_EN
Distance: 2.9323% / 0.02932326
96.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
3.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin

At the start of the Neolithic, they were just almost nothing of admixture with ANF, but late Neolithic shows the succesful years in NA:

Target: MAR_LN
Distance: 4.2408% / 0.04240759
63.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
5.4 Natufian_of_Shuqba
3.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
0.6 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer

Strange thing, that it comes up with WHG, curious, i knew already that natufians were transiting Africa but didn't know about people with WHG admixture.

Now something i want to say, is that Taforalt or Iberomaurisian it's more an Euroafrican ancient component that just NA, i know Nass couldn't agree on this, but this is a shared ancient component.

[Synapsid]

I have no idea but the Iberomaurisians had the Sahara as a barrier, the sea as a barrier, maybe that kept the enemies away?

The sea was no Barrier because Iberian farmers flooded into North Africa in the Neolithic

[Rocinante]

Taforalt people were similar to Natufians, no?

No, diffenrent peoples. I think PPN is a mix of both and also ANF but im not sure.

[War Chef]

Some of the Neolithic farmers in Europe were Dzuduana-like. I believe they were modeled like 50% Dzudzuana and 50% AHG (Anatolian Hunter gatherer).

[Synapsid]

Well, ANF literally made a sucessful life and history in Europe, so places like the iberian peninsula, the WHG that went there for a long time, it's not that they left there, the thing is that they didn't reproduce like farmers and the mix was going to be with overwhelming pred. ANF

Target: Iberia_N
Distance: 4.5531% / 0.04553104
86.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
13.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Just 13.2% in Iberia, now let's see NA:

Target: MAR_EN
Distance: 2.9323% / 0.02932326
96.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
3.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin

At the start of the Neolithic, they were just almost nothing of admixture with ANF, but late Neolithic shows the succesful years in NA:

Target: MAR_LN
Distance: 4.2408% / 0.04240759
63.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
5.4 Natufian_of_Shuqba
3.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
0.6 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer

Strange thing, that it comes up with WHG, curious, i knew already that natufians were transiting Africa but didn't know about people with WHG admixture.

Now something i want to say, is that Taforalt or Iberomaurisian it's more an Euroafrican ancient component that just NA, i know Nass couldn't agree on this, but this is a shared ancient component.

NA got their ANF via Iberia, so WHG came with it. But as you see, the Morrocan farmers have more Taforalt while Iberian farmers have less WHG. And the Taforalt increase after the initial migration of Iberian EEF

[Adamm]

NA got their ANF via Iberia, so WHG came with it. But as you see, the Morrocan farmers have more Taforalt while Iberian farmers have less WHG. And the Taforalt increase after the initial migration Iberian EEF

What haplogroups did these Iberian farmers carried when they entered N. Africa?

[Bestworld]

Taforalt people were similar to Natufians, no?

Natufian is half Taforalt and half Pinarbasi HG.

[Synapsid]

Some of the Neolithic farmers in Europe were Dzuduana-like. I believe they were modeled like 50% Dzudzuana and 50% AHG (Anatolian Hunter gatherer).

No, Anatolian hunter gatherers were literally 99% Dzudzuana, there was a replacement of Dzudzuana like populations in the Caucasus in the Epi paleolithic by ANE rich CHG, but Anatolia, there was continuity. Anatolian farmers were 85% AHG and 15% Natufians, while its was 98% Dzudzuana (since Natufians were 86% Dzudzuana)

[Nassbean]

Now something i want to say, is that Taforalt or Iberomaurisian it's more an Euroafrican ancient component that just NA, i know Nass couldn't agree on this, but this is a shared ancient component.

What do you mean exactly ? ANA is definitely not eurasian but it's technically not SSA too and they compose only one part of taforalt ancestry

[Rocinante]

NA got their ANF via Iberia, so WHG came with it. But as you see, the Morrocan farmers have more Taforalt while Iberian farmers have less WHG. And the Taforalt increase after the initial migration of Iberian EEF

Curious and interesting. We can say that North Africans are today's modern people with more HG admixture, since the most in Europe are the basques and the baltics and they won't reach the 20%

[Nassbean]

The sea was no Barrier because Iberian farmers flooded into North Africa in the Neolithic

WHG is an older and probably less advanced population than those neolithic migrants

[Synapsid]

What haplogroups did these Iberian farmers carried when they entered N. Africa?

They introduced mtDNA K1a (U8 from Anatolia). U6 was the dominant mtDNA for taforalt, followed by H clades. Iberian farmers had G and I2a2 and j2

[Bestworld]

Taforalt is a very west eurasian component.Modern berbers have ssa and arabian admixture,i wouldn't say they represent Taforalt populations.But anyway we need more samples from north africa.

[PaleoEuropean]

Both were Epi-Paleolithic and Mesolithic living in the opposite side of the Med, yet there was a greater population replacement in Europe compared to North Africa. Why was this the case? Why had farmers in North Africans had more taforalt than farmers in Europe who had less WHG. Of course I am factoring in steppe invasions.

What study is that based on?

[Rocinante]

What do you mean exactly ? ANA is definitely not eurasian but it's technically not SSA too and they compose only one part of taforalt ancestry

Not eurasian, but euroafrican, that's what i meant, not SSA or anything.

[Synapsid]

What study is that based on?

Not a study but an observation I made
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(17)30559-6

[Nassbean]

NA got their ANF via Iberia, so WHG came with it. But as you see, the Morrocan farmers have more Taforalt while Iberian farmers have less WHG. And the Taforalt increase after the initial migration of Iberian EEF

You forget capsians according to Gabriel Camps they were the proto-berbers and came from the Levant

[Synapsid]

WHG is an older and probably less advanced population than those neolithic migrants

So you believe Taforalt is more advanced than WHG despite being hunter gatherers aswell, so they manage to contribute a bigger share of the gene pool to modern population compared to WHG?

[Nassbean]

Curious and interesting. We can say that North Africans are today's modern people with more HG admixture, since the most in Europe are the basques and the baltics and they won't reach the 20%

that's why the other day I said that north africans are one of the purest community in the med area

[Synapsid]

You forget capsians according to Gabriel Camps they were the proto-berbers and came from the Levant

Yes, Berbers have some levantine ancestry who introduced Afro asiatic languages into NW Africa

[Adamm]

They introduced mtDNA K1a (U8 from Anatolia). U6 was the dominant mtDNA for taforalt, followed by H clades. Iberian farmers had G and I2a2 and j2

Interesting, the fact is that modern day Moroccans are pretty homogeneous when it comes to their haplogroups (E-M81 and E-M78 as most dominant), does that mean that the Iberian farmers were pushed away?

[PaleoEuropean]

Not a study but an observation I made
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(17)30559-6

If it's true I would say it's really because they were colonized by very homogeneous people aside from the Vandals. Arabs didn't tend to breed with the locals, they would take slaves which is why there is NA DNA in the Middle East. The Romans tended to do the same and I can't honestly say I know too much about Vandals mixing in North Africa but I am sure it happened. Also Europe has a lot of WHG Dna and a larger population which was already well mixed in most parts by the time the heavily mixed by the bronze age. The Bronze age and hoarding changed the demographics due to different priorities and the advent of warfare.

[Nassbean]

So you believe Taforalt is more advanced than WHG despite being hunter gatherers aswell, so they manage to contribute a bigger share of the gene pool to modern population compared to WHG?

No I made that comment based on the fact that those neolithic iberian folk were able to reach north africa with their boats while WHG maybe didn't have those techniques yet

[Adamm]

Also this is how taforelt looks like, it's pretty mountainside and can be a perfect place to protect your tribe against foreign entities:

https://i.imgur.com/8ZBJzOA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fhAG4Lc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CCnwhlM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0iLBVCo.png
https://i.imgur.com/WWT7XNr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FhLNBp2.png

[Synapsid]

Interesting, the fact is that modern day Moroccans are pretty homogeneous when it comes to their haplogroups (E-M81 and E-M78 as most dominant), does that mean that the Iberian farmers were pushed away?

E-M81 and E-M78 were the native Y-DNA of Iberomasurians. Infact, all of E, from SSA/West Africans, to the Natufians, to the Neolithic farmers, to the Ancient Egyptians/Ancient MENA, to European Meds (V13) all originated from Iberomasurians, and probably from ANA. I doubt the Iberian farmers were pushed away. Anatolian is still the biggest components of Berbers. But the Berber language came from later Levantine migrations, just like the Arabic language in modern NA.

[Rocinante]

I didn't know natufians have taforalt admixture, what's the rest of their origin? What would be the reference for modeling ancient levants of PPN are admixed too.

[Kamal900]

Yes, Berbers have some levantine ancestry who introduced Afro asiatic languages into NW Africa

I thought the Afro-Asiatic family came from East Africa because the Omotic branch is the most basal branch of the language family.

[Adamm]

E-M81 and E-M78 were the native Y-DNA of Iberomasurians. Infact, all of E, from SSA/West Africans, to the Natufians, to the Neolithic farmers, to the Ancient Egyptians/Ancient MENA, to European Meds (V13) all originated from Iberomasurians, and probably from ANA. I doubt the Iberian farmers were pushed away. Anatolian is still the biggest components of Berbers. But the Berber language came from later Levantine migrations, just like the Arabic language in modern NA.

If the Iberian farmers were not pushed away, how is it that their respective haplogroups are found on a very low frequency in N. Africa?

[Nassbean]

If it's true I would say it's really because they were colonized by very homogeneous people aside from the Vandals. Arabs didn't tend to breed with the locals, they would take slaves which is why there is NA DNA in the Middle East. The Romans tended to do the same and I can't honestly say I know too much about Vandals mixing in North Africa but I am sure it happened. Also Europe has a lot of WHG Dna and a larger population which was already well mixed in most parts by the time the heavily mixed by the bronze age. The Bronze age and hoarding changed the demographics due to different priorities and the advent of warfare.

No vandals never mixed with north africans unlike arabs and romans : Vandals were only living on the fertile lands around Carthage and were all expelled when the byzantines came. Arabs mixed with north africans but with time they got absorbed into the berber mass. In the case of romans they were a tiny minority that probably never really impacted us :


In fact, if we seek to determine the numerical size of the contingent of Roman or Italian immigrants in Africa, we have every reason to admit that it was small: and it does not grow much even if we add immigrants not -Italians. These immigrants include senior officials, but junior office staff are recruited locally; a few large landowners, but most often they reside in Rome and are represented in Africa by stewards and farmers, many of whom are of local origin; some Italian, oriental or Spanish traders, in the coastal cities and in some big localities of the interior like Cirta. These are contributions which do not change the Berber character [...] "Roman Africa by Louis Leschi


In short, the army brought into Africa, in the first century, a number of men from other provinces of the Empire. But the proportion of this non-African element went on weakening until becoming, around 150, practically zero. They are Africans who ensured order in Africa, on behalf of Rome. "->" the auxiliary troops of the army of Africa are recruited almost exclusively in Africa, like the 3rd legion. Only one exception is worth noting: that of the bodies of Syrians auxiliaries, where the authentic Syrians were always in majority "The Roman Africa of Louis Leschi

[Synapsid]

If the Iberian farmers were not pushed away, how is it that their respective haplogroups are found on a very low frequency in N. Africa?

Same way the WHG Y-DNA, I-m170, became dominant in some Farmer populations in Europe, there was an increase in local Mesolithic/HG ancestry after initial farmer migration, probably male mediated. Taforalt male, breeding with Iberian farmer females

[Bestworld]

The funny thing here is that north africans left their genetic impact to modern iberians rather the old iberians to taforalts xddd ;)

[Rocinante]

The funny thing here is that north africans left their genetic impact to modern iberians rather the old iberians to taforalts xddd ;)

What about modern NA? You are mixing periods my friend.

[Daos777]

E-M81 and E-M78 were the native Y-DNA of Iberomasurians. Infact, all of E, from SSA/West Africans, to the Natufians, to the Neolithic farmers, to the Ancient Egyptians/Ancient MENA, to European Meds (V13) all originated from Iberomasurians, and probably from ANA. I doubt the Iberian farmers were pushed away. Anatolian is still the biggest components of Berbers. But the Berber language came from later Levantine migrations, just like the Arabic language in modern NA.

I don’t think E-M81 was found among any Iberomaurusian samples. They are 99 percent E-M78. That’s who replaced Iberomaurusians. E-M81 cattle herders.

[Synapsid]

I thought the Afro-Asiatic family came from East Africa because the Omotic branch is the most basal branch of the language family.

Strong evidence it came from Pre pottery B levant

[Kamal900]

Strong evidence it came from Pre pottery B levant

Hmm, I see.

[Bestworld]

What about modern NA? You are mixing periods my friend.

Don't get your point.Modern iberians have north african admixture,while Berbers and NA do not exactly have Iberian(euro admixture).They are highly arabicized with strong ssa influences.

[Synapsid]

I don’t think E-M81 was found among any Iberomaurusian samples. They are 99 percent E-M78. That’s who replaced Iberomaurusians. E-M81 cattle herders.

one skeleton bearing the E1b1b1a1b1 parent lineage to E-V13, one male specimen belonged to E1b1b (M215*). So not just E-M78. Strong evidence that Natufians got E from Iberomaurusian admixture.

[Synapsid]

Don't get your point.Modern iberians have north african admixture,while Berbers and NA do not exactly have Iberian(euro admixture).They are highly arabicized with strong ssa influences.

Did you see the late neolithic Moroccan sample? they were 65% Iberian farmer related. Later it got diluted from subsequent migrations, but EEF/Anatolian is still the biggest component in North Africans, and it came from Pre-Bell Beaker Iberians.

[Nassbean]

Don't get your point.Modern iberians have north african admixture,while Berbers and NA do not exactly have Iberian(euro admixture).They are highly arabicized with strong ssa influences.

lol wtf are you talking about ? these are my results :

https://i.imgur.com/wTkjNyG.png?1
https://i.imgur.com/Dquviuk.png?1
https://i.imgur.com/ki3HPTz.png?1
https://i.imgur.com/dYyxgng.png?1

[Synapsid]

Hmm, I see.

The original Berbers were Levantines.

[Nassbean]

Did you see the late neolithic Moroccan sample? they were 65% Iberian farmer related. Later it got diluted from subsequent migrations, but EEF/Anatolian is still the biggest component in North Africans, and it came from Pre-Bell Beaker Iberians.

it depends which north africans ...here some soussi examples :

https://i.imgur.com/Vt5AdCX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7JRRUdT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pIpjixN.jpg

[Daos777]

one skeleton bearing the E1b1b1a1b1 parent lineage to E-V13, one male specimen belonged to E1b1b (M215*). So not just E-M78. Strong evidence that Natufians got E from Iberomaurusian admixture.

But Natufian E subclade is not a direct descendant of Iberomaurusian E-M78 so that wouldn’t make sense. They aren’t direct ancestors of them and probably from a population distant from them who carried the Natufian E subclade. Although there was for sure some autosomal similarly between the groups.

The only real direct descendant of Iberomaurisians are anyone who is E-M78 and downstream (E-V22, E-v13, ect)

[Kamal900]

The original Berbers were Levantines.

Well, I know that Berber and Semitic branches are very close to one another in contrast to other branches of the language family but that's about it.

[Bestworld]

Target: Algerian:ALGK
Distance: 2.9001% / 0.02900095
29.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.4 Levant_Natufian
20.6 Yoruba
12.0 MAR_Taforalt
8.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
5.2 GEO_CHG
1.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALGJ
Distance: 4.9111% / 0.04911124
29.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
27.4 Levant_Natufian
15.4 MAR_Taforalt
9.8 Yoruba
9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALGH
Distance: 3.4925% / 0.03492469
31.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
25.0 Levant_Natufian
19.6 MAR_Taforalt
11.0 Yoruba
7.2 GEO_CHG
5.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALGG
Distance: 3.8305% / 0.03830503
37.6 Yoruba
21.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
17.0 MAR_Taforalt
16.8 Levant_Natufian
4.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.2 GEO_CHG
0.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALGF
Distance: 3.8610% / 0.03860988
32.4 Yoruba
23.0 Levant_Natufian
22.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
14.0 MAR_Taforalt
5.4 GEO_CHG
3.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A34
Distance: 2.9746% / 0.02974642
41.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
26.4 MAR_Taforalt
11.2 Levant_Natufian
8.4 GEO_CHG
7.0 Yoruba
5.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A23
Distance: 3.6889% / 0.03688910
37.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
18.6 MAR_Taforalt
18.2 Levant_Natufian
14.6 Yoruba
8.0 GEO_CHG
2.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A22
Distance: 3.4311% / 0.03431064
31.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
20.4 Levant_Natufian
18.6 MAR_Taforalt
13.6 Yoruba
11.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
2.2 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A21
Distance: 2.4858% / 0.02485790
30.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.0 MAR_Taforalt
17.2 Levant_Natufian
12.4 Yoruba
8.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
5.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.6 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A13
Distance: 4.1324% / 0.04132428
30.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
24.2 Levant_Natufian
21.8 MAR_Taforalt
12.0 Yoruba
6.4 GEO_CHG
4.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALGE
Distance: 3.8852% / 0.03885193
27.8 Levant_Natufian
20.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
19.8 Yoruba
14.6 MAR_Taforalt
6.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.4 GEO_CHG
4.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG900
Distance: 3.2884% / 0.03288373
41.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
25.0 MAR_Taforalt
15.4 Levant_Natufian
7.8 GEO_CHG
5.2 Yoruba
4.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALG700
Distance: 3.4114% / 0.03411426
34.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.4 MAR_Taforalt
17.0 Levant_Natufian
11.2 GEO_CHG
7.4 Yoruba
5.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG600
Distance: 3.7245% / 0.03724542
44.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
21.0 MAR_Taforalt
15.0 Levant_Natufian
8.4 Yoruba
5.6 GEO_CHG
5.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALG400
Distance: 3.7195% / 0.03719527
36.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
27.0 MAR_Taforalt
17.6 Levant_Natufian
6.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
6.0 Yoruba
3.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.6 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:ALG280
Distance: 3.7998% / 0.03799813
32.8 Levant_Natufian
23.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
14.6 MAR_Taforalt
12.2 Yoruba
8.8 GEO_CHG
5.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
3.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALG270
Distance: 4.6114% / 0.04611351
45.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
20.8 MAR_Taforalt
10.4 Levant_Natufian
9.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.2 Yoruba
5.0 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:ALG240
Distance: 3.0162% / 0.03016229
23.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
20.2 Levant_Natufian
20.2 MAR_Taforalt
20.0 Yoruba
8.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 GEO_CHG
0.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG220
Distance: 2.7031% / 0.02703083
36.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
24.6 MAR_Taforalt
14.0 Levant_Natufian
12.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
9.4 Yoruba
3.0 GEO_CHG
0.2 BEL_Loschbour

Target: Algerian:ALG210
Distance: 2.8647% / 0.02864700
32.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
21.0 Levant_Natufian
20.0 MAR_Taforalt
9.0 Yoruba
7.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.8 GEO_CHG
4.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG200
Distance: 3.8653% / 0.03865348
42.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
19.6 MAR_Taforalt
15.6 Levant_Natufian
9.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.2 GEO_CHG
5.0 Yoruba
0.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG160
Distance: 4.1581% / 0.04158129
25.8 Levant_Natufian
25.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
20.4 MAR_Taforalt
13.2 Yoruba
9.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
1.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:ALG140
Distance: 2.9911% / 0.02991105
29.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
22.0 MAR_Taforalt
20.4 Levant_Natufian
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 Yoruba
2.6 GEO_CHG
1.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG100
Distance: 3.6372% / 0.03637191
28.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
27.0 Levant_Natufian
17.0 MAR_Taforalt
11.4 Yoruba
6.4 GEO_CHG
5.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

[Bestworld]

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT9
Distance: 2.9014% / 0.02901361
41.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
41.0 MAR_Taforalt
5.8 Levant_Natufian
5.0 Yoruba
3.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
3.2 GEO_CHG
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT8
Distance: 3.9495% / 0.03949499
45.2 MAR_Taforalt
40.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
8.6 Levant_Natufian
3.6 Yoruba
2.4 GEO_CHG

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT7
Distance: 3.4653% / 0.03465319
28.2 Yoruba
27.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
26.4 MAR_Taforalt
10.2 Levant_Natufian
3.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
3.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.0 BEL_Loschbour

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT6
Distance: 2.4959% / 0.02495887
38.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
35.0 MAR_Taforalt
15.0 Levant_Natufian
5.8 Yoruba
4.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT4
Distance: 4.5709% / 0.04570894
34.4 MAR_Taforalt
24.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
19.2 Yoruba
18.6 Levant_Natufian
1.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
1.0 GEO_CHG
0.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT3
Distance: 4.2232% / 0.04223175
38.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
38.6 MAR_Taforalt
7.8 Yoruba
6.6 Levant_Natufian
4.4 GEO_CHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT20
Distance: 3.2868% / 0.03286840
43.4 MAR_Taforalt
38.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
8.8 Levant_Natufian
6.2 Yoruba
1.4 GEO_CHG
1.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT19
Distance: 2.8313% / 0.02831298
42.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
42.4 MAR_Taforalt
5.4 Levant_Natufian
4.2 Yoruba
3.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
1.2 GEO_CHG
0.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT18
Distance: 3.3609% / 0.03360875
37.0 MAR_Taforalt
32.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
11.0 Levant_Natufian
8.2 Yoruba
5.4 GEO_CHG
5.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 BEL_Loschbour

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT17
Distance: 3.2893% / 0.03289252
39.2 MAR_Taforalt
37.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
9.8 Levant_Natufian
8.8 Yoruba
3.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT16
Distance: 3.1464% / 0.03146407
39.6 MAR_Taforalt
37.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
8.6 Yoruba
6.6 GEO_CHG
5.8 Levant_Natufian
1.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT14
Distance: 3.8991% / 0.03899137
40.4 MAR_Taforalt
37.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
9.0 Levant_Natufian
6.2 Yoruba
4.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.6 GEO_CHG

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT11
Distance: 4.0675% / 0.04067515
38.4 MAR_Taforalt
35.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
15.0 Levant_Natufian
6.6 Yoruba
4.6 GEO_CHG

Target: Berber_MAR_TIZ:BerT10
Distance: 2.9735% / 0.02973455
51.2 Yoruba
19.0 MAR_Taforalt
15.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
9.2 Levant_Natufian
3.8 GEO_CHG
1.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE9
Distance: 4.0316% / 0.04031561
37.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
30.8 MAR_Taforalt
14.8 Yoruba
6.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.4 Levant_Natufian
2.6 GEO_CHG
1.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE8
Distance: 3.7797% / 0.03779660
35.2 Yoruba
21.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
21.0 MAR_Taforalt
14.6 Levant_Natufian
5.6 GEO_CHG
2.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE7
Distance: 4.1357% / 0.04135722
42.8 MAR_Taforalt
42.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
4.8 Levant_Natufian
4.2 GEO_CHG
3.4 Yoruba
2.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE6
Distance: 3.5934% / 0.03593416
44.0 MAR_Taforalt
40.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
7.4 Levant_Natufian
4.6 Yoruba
2.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE5
Distance: 4.1900% / 0.04190017
34.0 Levant_Natufian
22.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
21.2 Yoruba
12.4 MAR_Taforalt
6.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.2 GEO_CHG

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE4
Distance: 4.0509% / 0.04050875
42.8 Levant_Natufian
18.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
16.8 Yoruba
10.0 MAR_Taforalt
7.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
4.6 GEO_CHG

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE2
Distance: 2.8998% / 0.02899795
37.2 MAR_Taforalt
36.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
11.0 Levant_Natufian
7.0 GEO_CHG
4.6 Yoruba
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE18
Distance: 2.8642% / 0.02864178
39.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
39.0 MAR_Taforalt
8.8 Levant_Natufian
5.4 Yoruba
4.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.2 GEO_CHG

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE17
Distance: 3.4354% / 0.03435380
38.2 MAR_Taforalt
36.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
10.0 Levant_Natufian
7.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.8 Yoruba
2.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE15
Distance: 3.4738% / 0.03473779
32.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
25.2 MAR_Taforalt
17.0 Yoruba
16.0 Levant_Natufian
3.8 GEO_CHG
3.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE14
Distance: 4.5159% / 0.04515896
28.8 MAR_Taforalt
22.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
19.4 Yoruba
17.8 Levant_Natufian
8.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.4 GEO_CHG

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE12
Distance: 3.7544% / 0.03754425
37.2 MAR_Taforalt
36.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
9.2 Levant_Natufian
7.4 GEO_CHG
7.0 Yoruba
2.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE11
Distance: 3.7326% / 0.03732610
43.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
37.2 MAR_Taforalt
7.8 Yoruba
5.4 Levant_Natufian
4.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
1.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Berber_MAR_ERR:BerE10
Distance: 3.7610% / 0.03761012
30.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
22.4 MAR_Taforalt
21.4 Yoruba
13.6 Levant_Natufian
10.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.6 GEO_CHG

[Rocinante]

Don't get your point.Modern iberians have north african admixture,while Berbers and NA do not exactly have Iberian(euro admixture).They are highly arabicized with strong ssa influences.

Modern iberians have in average 4% of iberomaurusian related admixture, not that can be called just NA. Also:

Target: Moroccan_North
Distance: 2.5123% / 0.02512272
45.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
31.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
7.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
6.4 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
3.8 Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh
3.2 Natufian_of_Shuqba
1.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Average northern moroccan can be more than 50% european related admixed, and the ancient SSA or Levantine are not that high, southern moroccans is another history:

Target: Moroccan_South
Distance: 6.5986% / 0.06598575
34.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
32.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
28.0 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
2.2 Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh
1.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
0.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

They are in average up to 1/4 SSA. This seems to be a similar case of Italy.

[Bestworld]

Target: Moroccan:MCA9
Distance: 2.6225% / 0.02622475
36.8 MAR_Taforalt
35.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
11.6 Levant_Natufian
9.2 GEO_CHG
4.4 Yoruba
2.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Moroccan:MCA8
Distance: 2.3773% / 0.02377349
32.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.6 MAR_Taforalt
19.0 Levant_Natufian
13.6 Yoruba
8.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
2.2 GEO_CHG
1.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Moroccan:MCA7
Distance: 3.6772% / 0.03677237
29.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
24.0 Levant_Natufian
21.4 MAR_Taforalt
12.2 Yoruba
5.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
4.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Moroccan:MCA39
Distance: 3.1008% / 0.03100755
29.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.4 MAR_Taforalt
20.0 Levant_Natufian
15.6 Yoruba
10.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
1.6 GEO_CHG
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Moroccan:MCA38
Distance: 3.5804% / 0.03580381
27.4 Levant_Natufian
25.0 Yoruba
19.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
13.8 MAR_Taforalt
9.2 GEO_CHG
2.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Moroccan:MCA37
Distance: 3.3598% / 0.03359822
28.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
25.2 Levant_Natufian
20.4 MAR_Taforalt
10.2 Yoruba
7.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
3.0 GEO_CHG
0.2 BEL_Loschbour

Target: Moroccan:MCA19
Distance: 2.5948% / 0.02594832
26.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
24.8 Yoruba
19.6 MAR_Taforalt
16.6 Levant_Natufian
5.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
3.2 GEO_CHG

Target: Moroccan:MCA16
Distance: 3.0892% / 0.03089175
28.6 Levant_Natufian
25.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
17.6 MAR_Taforalt
13.2 Yoruba
7.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
4.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.6 GEO_CHG

Target: Moroccan:MCA14
Distance: 3.3873% / 0.03387271
27.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
27.4 Levant_Natufian
21.6 MAR_Taforalt
9.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
9.0 Yoruba
5.2 GEO_CHG

[Rocinante]

Target: Algerian:ALGK
Distance: 2.9001% / 0.02900095
29.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.4 Levant_Natufian
20.6 Yoruba
12.0 MAR_Taforalt
8.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
5.2 GEO_CHG
1.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALGJ
Distance: 4.9111% / 0.04911124
29.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
27.4 Levant_Natufian
15.4 MAR_Taforalt
9.8 Yoruba
9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALGH
Distance: 3.4925% / 0.03492469
31.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
25.0 Levant_Natufian
19.6 MAR_Taforalt
11.0 Yoruba
7.2 GEO_CHG
5.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALGG
Distance: 3.8305% / 0.03830503
37.6 Yoruba
21.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
17.0 MAR_Taforalt
16.8 Levant_Natufian
4.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.2 GEO_CHG
0.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALGF
Distance: 3.8610% / 0.03860988
32.4 Yoruba
23.0 Levant_Natufian
22.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
14.0 MAR_Taforalt
5.4 GEO_CHG
3.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A34
Distance: 2.9746% / 0.02974642
41.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
26.4 MAR_Taforalt
11.2 Levant_Natufian
8.4 GEO_CHG
7.0 Yoruba
5.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A23
Distance: 3.6889% / 0.03688910
37.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
18.6 MAR_Taforalt
18.2 Levant_Natufian
14.6 Yoruba
8.0 GEO_CHG
2.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A22
Distance: 3.4311% / 0.03431064
31.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
20.4 Levant_Natufian
18.6 MAR_Taforalt
13.6 Yoruba
11.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
2.2 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A21
Distance: 2.4858% / 0.02485790
30.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.0 MAR_Taforalt
17.2 Levant_Natufian
12.4 Yoruba
8.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
5.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.6 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:Algerian43A13
Distance: 4.1324% / 0.04132428
30.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
24.2 Levant_Natufian
21.8 MAR_Taforalt
12.0 Yoruba
6.4 GEO_CHG
4.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALGE
Distance: 3.8852% / 0.03885193
27.8 Levant_Natufian
20.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
19.8 Yoruba
14.6 MAR_Taforalt
6.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.4 GEO_CHG
4.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG900
Distance: 3.2884% / 0.03288373
41.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
25.0 MAR_Taforalt
15.4 Levant_Natufian
7.8 GEO_CHG
5.2 Yoruba
4.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALG700
Distance: 3.4114% / 0.03411426
34.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.4 MAR_Taforalt
17.0 Levant_Natufian
11.2 GEO_CHG
7.4 Yoruba
5.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG600
Distance: 3.7245% / 0.03724542
44.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
21.0 MAR_Taforalt
15.0 Levant_Natufian
8.4 Yoruba
5.6 GEO_CHG
5.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALG400
Distance: 3.7195% / 0.03719527
36.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
27.0 MAR_Taforalt
17.6 Levant_Natufian
6.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
6.0 Yoruba
3.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.6 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:ALG280
Distance: 3.7998% / 0.03799813
32.8 Levant_Natufian
23.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
14.6 MAR_Taforalt
12.2 Yoruba
8.8 GEO_CHG
5.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
3.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Algerian:ALG270
Distance: 4.6114% / 0.04611351
45.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
20.8 MAR_Taforalt
10.4 Levant_Natufian
9.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.2 Yoruba
5.0 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:ALG240
Distance: 3.0162% / 0.03016229
23.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
20.2 Levant_Natufian
20.2 MAR_Taforalt
20.0 Yoruba
8.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 GEO_CHG
0.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG220
Distance: 2.7031% / 0.02703083
36.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
24.6 MAR_Taforalt
14.0 Levant_Natufian
12.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
9.4 Yoruba
3.0 GEO_CHG
0.2 BEL_Loschbour

Target: Algerian:ALG210
Distance: 2.8647% / 0.02864700
32.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
21.0 Levant_Natufian
20.0 MAR_Taforalt
9.0 Yoruba
7.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.8 GEO_CHG
4.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG200
Distance: 3.8653% / 0.03865348
42.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
19.6 MAR_Taforalt
15.6 Levant_Natufian
9.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.2 GEO_CHG
5.0 Yoruba
0.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG160
Distance: 4.1581% / 0.04158129
25.8 Levant_Natufian
25.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
20.4 MAR_Taforalt
13.2 Yoruba
9.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
1.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Algerian:ALG140
Distance: 2.9911% / 0.02991105
29.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
22.0 MAR_Taforalt
20.4 Levant_Natufian
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 Yoruba
2.6 GEO_CHG
1.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Algerian:ALG100
Distance: 3.6372% / 0.03637191
28.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
27.0 Levant_Natufian
17.0 MAR_Taforalt
11.4 Yoruba
6.4 GEO_CHG
5.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Dude don't use yamnaya and CHG in the same spreedsheat.

[Bestworld]

Target: Tunisian:Tunisian20F4
Distance: 3.5272% / 0.03527226
37.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
19.6 MAR_Taforalt
16.8 Levant_Natufian
10.4 Yoruba
5.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
5.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.4 GEO_CHG

Target: Tunisian:Tunisian20D4
Distance: 3.0749% / 0.03074859
31.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
21.0 Levant_Natufian
16.6 MAR_Taforalt
14.0 Yoruba
6.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
6.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Tunisian:Tunisian20D1
Distance: 2.7217% / 0.02721711
35.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
18.8 MAR_Taforalt
18.6 Levant_Natufian
13.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
12.8 Yoruba
1.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Tunisian:Tunisian20C4
Distance: 3.1865% / 0.03186506
30.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
28.6 Levant_Natufian
19.8 MAR_Taforalt
7.8 Yoruba
7.2 GEO_CHG
4.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Tunisian:Tunisian20C1
Distance: 2.4462% / 0.02446191
46.2 Levant_Natufian
17.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
10.4 Yoruba
9.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
8.6 GEO_CHG
8.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Tunisian:Tunisian20B4
Distance: 3.9151% / 0.03915057
29.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
26.8 Levant_Natufian
15.6 MAR_Taforalt
10.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
8.6 Yoruba
7.2 GEO_CHG
2.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Tunisian:Tunisian20A5
Distance: 3.3083% / 0.03308270
28.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
22.0 Levant_Natufian
21.2 MAR_Taforalt
11.6 Yoruba
6.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
5.2 GEO_CHG
4.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Tunisian:Tunisian200000
Distance: 3.7737% / 0.03773742
36.0 Levant_Natufian
23.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
12.8 MAR_Taforalt
11.0 Yoruba
6.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 GEO_CHG
5.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

[Adamm]

Target: Moroccan:MCA9
Distance: 2.6225% / 0.02622475
36.8 MAR_Taforalt
35.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
11.6 Levant_Natufian
9.2 GEO_CHG
4.4 Yoruba
2.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Moroccan:MCA8
Distance: 2.3773% / 0.02377349
32.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.6 MAR_Taforalt
19.0 Levant_Natufian
13.6 Yoruba
8.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
2.2 GEO_CHG
1.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Moroccan:MCA7
Distance: 3.6772% / 0.03677237
29.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
24.0 Levant_Natufian
21.4 MAR_Taforalt
12.2 Yoruba
5.6 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
4.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Moroccan:MCA39
Distance: 3.1008% / 0.03100755
29.0 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
23.4 MAR_Taforalt
20.0 Levant_Natufian
15.6 Yoruba
10.0 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
1.6 GEO_CHG
0.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Moroccan:MCA38
Distance: 3.5804% / 0.03580381
27.4 Levant_Natufian
25.0 Yoruba
19.4 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
13.8 MAR_Taforalt
9.2 GEO_CHG
2.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.4 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso

Target: Moroccan:MCA37
Distance: 3.3598% / 0.03359822
28.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
25.2 Levant_Natufian
20.4 MAR_Taforalt
10.2 Yoruba
7.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
3.0 GEO_CHG
0.2 BEL_Loschbour

Target: Moroccan:MCA19
Distance: 2.5948% / 0.02594832
26.2 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
24.8 Yoruba
19.6 MAR_Taforalt
16.6 Levant_Natufian
5.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
3.2 GEO_CHG

Target: Moroccan:MCA16
Distance: 3.0892% / 0.03089175
28.6 Levant_Natufian
25.8 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
17.6 MAR_Taforalt
13.2 Yoruba
7.8 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
4.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.6 GEO_CHG

Target: Moroccan:MCA14
Distance: 3.3873% / 0.03387271
27.6 Anatolia_Pinarbasi_HG
27.4 Levant_Natufian
21.6 MAR_Taforalt
9.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
9.0 Yoruba
5.2 GEO_CHG

Which model are you using here?

[Bestworld]

Modern iberians have in average 4% of iberomaurusian related admixture, not that can be called just NA. Also:

Target: Moroccan_North
Distance: 2.5123% / 0.02512272
45.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
31.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
7.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
6.4 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
3.8 Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh
3.2 Natufian_of_Shuqba
1.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Average northern moroccan can be more than 50% european related admixed, and the ancient SSA or Levantine are not that high, southern moroccans is another history:

Target: Moroccan_South
Distance: 6.5986% / 0.06598575
34.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
32.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
28.0 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
2.2 Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh
1.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
0.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

They are in average up to 1/4 SSA. This seems to be a similar case of Italy.


Iberians do not score only 4% north african stop lying.They score from 5 to 10% and depends the individual.Also ssa is inclunding especially from areas like andalusia and the south.Thought portugesse people score more compared to spaniards.

[Rocinante]

Iberians do not score only 4% north african stop lying.They score from 5 to 10% and depends the individual.Also ssa is inclunding especially from areas like andalusia and the south.Thought portugesse people score more compared to spaniards.

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 2.9972% / 0.02997176
54.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Valencia
Distance: 3.2683% / 0.03268303
55.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 5.1692% / 0.05169170
56.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
16.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 4.3988% / 0.04398825
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.0 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 2.7176% / 0.02717610
56.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 2.9625% / 0.02962532
60.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
23.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
14.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 3.1905% / 0.03190466
53.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 2.9042% / 0.02904240
54.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.4 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2919% / 0.03291903
54.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 3.7306% / 0.03730587
53.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.3455% / 0.03345523
56.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
11.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.8126% / 0.03812626
55.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 2.7669% / 0.02766948
52.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
8.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.4 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 2.8629% / 0.02862880
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
32.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.0 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 5.0475% / 0.05047465
54.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.8628% / 0.03862833
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
11.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.2109% / 0.03210898
55.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Careful with calling me a liar, and careful with saying things without having a fucking idea. Learn how to model with G25.

[Bestworld]

Αs you can see my friends north african is diverse.I will agree with synaspid btw that their anatolian neolithic ancestry is highly probably coming from B.B. Iberia thought their WHG is absent.Thought neolithic repopulations during neolithic,copper age even bronze age etc was very often.

[Raizen]

Well, ANF literally made a sucessful life and history in Europe, so places like the iberian peninsula, the WHG that went there for a long time, it's not that they left there, the thing is that they didn't reproduce like farmers and the mix was going to be with overwhelming pred. ANF

Target: Iberia_N
Distance: 4.5531% / 0.04553104
86.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
13.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Just 13.2% in Iberia, now let's see NA:

Target: MAR_EN
Distance: 2.9323% / 0.02932326
96.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
3.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin

At the start of the Neolithic, they were just almost nothing of admixture with ANF, but late Neolithic shows the succesful years in NA:

Target: MAR_LN
Distance: 4.2408% / 0.04240759
63.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
5.4 Natufian_of_Shuqba
3.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
0.6 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer

Strange thing, that it comes up with WHG, curious, i knew already that natufians were transiting Africa but didn't know about people with WHG admixture.

Now something i want to say, is that Taforalt or Iberomaurisian it's more an Euroafrican ancient component that just NA, i know Nass couldn't agree on this, but this is a shared ancient component.

Taforalt is an absolutely authentic North African component and wasn't found anywhere in Europe until Phoenicians started to get around. Iberians only got it quite later on mediated by Punic colonizers. No need to deny the reality, we Iberian descendants are partially descended from this brave North African people

https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc5MDgyOTQ2MzQwNTc1/second-punic-war-the-battle-of-zama-202-b-c-colored-engraving.jpg

[gixajo]

Iberians do not score only 4% north african stop lying.They score from 5 to 10% and depends the individual.Also ssa is inclunding especially from areas like andalusia and the south.Thought portugesse people score more compared to spaniards.

Could you show us the spreadsheet used in those to see our results in it?

[Bestworld]

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 2.9972% / 0.02997176
54.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Valencia
Distance: 3.2683% / 0.03268303
55.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 5.1692% / 0.05169170
56.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
16.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 4.3988% / 0.04398825
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.0 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 2.7176% / 0.02717610
56.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 2.9625% / 0.02962532
60.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
23.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
14.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 3.1905% / 0.03190466
53.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 2.9042% / 0.02904240
54.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.4 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2919% / 0.03291903
54.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 3.7306% / 0.03730587
53.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.3455% / 0.03345523
56.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
11.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.8126% / 0.03812626
55.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 2.7669% / 0.02766948
52.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
8.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.4 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 2.8629% / 0.02862880
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
32.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.0 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 5.0475% / 0.05047465
54.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.8628% / 0.03862833
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
11.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.2109% / 0.03210898
55.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Careful with calling me a liar, and careful with saying things without having a fucking idea. Learn how to model with G25.


It is not only G25 muchacho,there are many other calculators showing higher north africa/ssa than these G25 samples.In 23andme many spaniards showing 10-15% north african admixture and ssa related.Anyway i don't have time for you Pablo Escobar...btw do you have electricity in venezuela?WOW i am surprised..

[Rocinante]

Taforalt is an absolutely authentic North African component and wasn't found anywhere in Europe until Phoenicians started to get around. Iberians only got it quite later on mediated by Punic colonizers. No need to deny the reality, we Iberian descendants are partially descended from this brave North African people

https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc5MDgyOTQ2MzQwNTc1/second-punic-war-the-battle-of-zama-202-b-c-colored-engraving.jpg

I actually don't mind of having NA ancestry, the thing is that it is pure IBEROmaurusian ancient ancestry, maybe by phoenicians, yes. And it's quite rare people with more than 8%.

[gixajo]

It is not only G25 muchacho,there are many other calculators showing higher north africa/ssa than these G25 samples.In 23andme many spaniards showing 10-15% north african admixture and ssa related.Anyway i don't have time for you Pablo Escobar...btw do you have electricity in venezuela?WOW i am surprised..

Many is a quite accurate percentage.

[Adamm]

It is not only G25 muchacho,there are many other calculators showing higher north africa/ssa than these G25 samples.In 23andme many spaniards showing 10-15% north african admixture and ssa related.Anyway i don't have time for you Pablo Escobar...btw do you have electricity in venezuela?WOW i am surprised..

Can you share that model or are you only copy pasting?

Also you clearly don't understand a thing, I've seen many 23andMe results and I've NEVER seen a full Spaniard with 10 to 15% N. African admixture, you should be a more humble.

[Rocinante]

It is not only G25 muchacho,there are many other calculators showing higher north africa/ssa than these G25 samples.In 23andme many spaniards showing 10-15% north african admixture and ssa related.Anyway i don't have time for you Pablo Escobar...btw do you have electricity in venezuela?WOW i am surprised..

Wowowow look at the kike insulting and calling me Pablo Escobar. Boy, only retards have 23andme as references, modeling with real trustful samples are the best thing to do for autosomal estimations. Now go do a nose job kike boy.

[gixajo]

I actually don't mind of having NA ancestry, the thing is that it is pure IBEROmaurusian ancient ancestry, maybe by phoenicians, yes. And it's quite rare people with more than 8%.

Con el anterior post ya empezó a enseñar la patita, y el aataque directo y sin venir a cuento a tu país de origen deja todo bastante claro.:rolleyes:

[Kamal900]

Wowowow look at the kike insulting and calling me Pablo Escobar. Boy, only retards have 23andme as references, modeling with real trustful samples are the best thing to do for autosomal estimations. Now go do a nose job kike boy.

I've noticed a lot of self-proclaimed Jewish trolls are pouring into this forum lately.

[Rocinante]

Con el anterior post ya empezó a enseñar la patita, y el aataque directo y sin venir a cuento a tu país de origen deja todo bastante claro.:rolleyes:

Sin duda alguna, es que seguro es alguien troleando con cuenta secundaria, mira la fecha que ingreso en el foro.

[Rocinante]

I've noticed a lot of self-proclaimed Jewish trolls are pouring into this forum lately.

He's one, for sure. He might be someone using a secondary account for trolling (look at his joining date).

[Raizen]

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 2.9972% / 0.02997176
54.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Valencia
Distance: 3.2683% / 0.03268303
55.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 5.1692% / 0.05169170
56.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
16.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 4.3988% / 0.04398825
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.0 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 2.7176% / 0.02717610
56.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 2.9625% / 0.02962532
60.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
23.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
14.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 3.1905% / 0.03190466
53.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 2.9042% / 0.02904240
54.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.4 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2919% / 0.03291903
54.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 3.7306% / 0.03730587
53.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.3455% / 0.03345523
56.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
11.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.8126% / 0.03812626
55.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 2.7669% / 0.02766948
52.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
8.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.4 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 2.8629% / 0.02862880
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
32.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.0 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 5.0475% / 0.05047465
54.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.8628% / 0.03862833
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
11.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.2109% / 0.03210898
55.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Careful with calling me a liar, and careful with saying things without having a fucking idea. Learn how to model with G25.

You are being dishonest here, North African ancestry doesn't include only Iberomaurusian admix.

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 1.9395% / 0.01939459
71.6 Celtiberian
19.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial
7.0 Moroccan
2.2 Iberos

[Bestworld]

Wowowow look at the kike insulting and calling me Pablo Escobar. Boy, only retards have 23andme as references, modeling with real trustful samples are the best thing to do for autosomal estimations. Now go do a nose job kike boy.

All the calucators(even those of gedmatch) are fine.G25 is not created by Jesus Christ..only idiots like you believe that Polako's calculators are 100% accurate.Anyway,i am doing a favour replying to you.I usually don't chat with europeans rapes...;)

[Raizen]

I actually don't mind of having NA ancestry, the thing is that it is pure IBEROmaurusian ancient ancestry, maybe by phoenicians, yes. And it's quite rare people with more than 8%.

My models are a much better fit than yours, and it clearly shows actual North African ancestry, not just Iberomaurusian. I can run all Iberians if you want.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 2.9972% / 0.02997176
54.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Valencia
Distance: 3.2683% / 0.03268303
55.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 5.1692% / 0.05169170
56.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
16.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

Target: Spanish_Navarra
Distance: 4.3988% / 0.04398825
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.0 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Murcia
Distance: 2.7176% / 0.02717610
56.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_La_Rioja
Distance: 2.9625% / 0.02962532
60.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
23.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
14.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 3.1905% / 0.03190466
53.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 2.9042% / 0.02904240
54.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.4 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Cataluna
Distance: 3.2919% / 0.03291903
54.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 3.7306% / 0.03730587
53.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
5.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
Distance: 3.3455% / 0.03345523
56.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
11.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Cantabria
Distance: 3.8126% / 0.03812626
55.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Canarias
Distance: 2.7669% / 0.02766948
52.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
27.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
8.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
1.4 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer

Target: Spanish_Baleares
Distance: 2.8629% / 0.02862880
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
32.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.0 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 5.0475% / 0.05047465
54.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Aragon
Distance: 3.8628% / 0.03862833
56.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
11.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.2109% / 0.03210898
55.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
10.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.8 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Careful with calling me a liar, and careful with saying things without having a fucking idea. Learn how to model with G25.

Which calculator did you use? If it is yours, can you post the coordinates? I would like to run my own coordinates with it.

[Mixdguy17]

It is not only G25 muchacho,there are many other calculators showing higher north africa/ssa than these G25 samples.In 23andme many spaniards showing 10-15% north african admixture and ssa related.Anyway i don't have time for you Pablo Escobar...btw do you have electricity in venezuela?WOW i am surprised..

The average spaniard shows around 4-5% NA, not that much

[gixajo]

All the calucators(even those of gedmatch) are fine.G25 is not created by Jesus Christ..only idiots like you believe that Polako's calculators are 100% accurate.Anyway,i am doing a favour replying to you.I usually don't chat with europeans rapes...;)

Wich calculator of Gedmatch results are you using as a reference?

[Bestworld]

My models are a much better fit than yours, and it clearly shows actual North African ancestry, not just Iberomaurusian. I can run all Iberians if you want.

ahahahah you losing your time with him...

[gixajo]

My models are a much better fit than yours, and it clearly shows actual North African ancestry, not just Iberomaurusian. I can run all Iberians if you want.

Yes, there is Northafrican ancestry, no problem with this, but not an average of 15%. And even some here would discuss if that ancestry is ancient or modern, I don´t care about this issue.

Celtibero is not very biased hidding any ancestry, he si not Cv or others Spanish members, and I think neither I am. So please, respect him.

[Rocinante]

Which calculator did you use?


Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin,0.1175998,0 .180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Yamnaya_from_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0 .1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176, 0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.0965 35,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP,0.036423,-0.284348,0.083721,0.089471,-0.075706,-0.013387,-0.11398,-0.126226,-0.003681,-0.021139,-0.00406,-0.008243,0.004906,-0.011423,0.005293,0.003315,0.000261,-0.000507,0.007039,0.009505,-0.013601,0.002844,0.011339,0.003133,-0.009939
BLZ_MayahakCabPek_9300BP,0.052359,-0.323954,0.11389,0.093347,-0.118791,-0.018128,-0.286243,-0.337601,-0.007976,-0.008383,0.001786,0.005695,0.003271,0.022157,-0.002714,0.002519,0.00352,0.000633,-0.001006,0.005753,0.006364,0.002226,-0.001356,0.001687,0.003233
Ancient_Persian_of_Jiroft,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858, 0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Natufian_of_Shuqba,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh, 0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534


All the calucators(even those of gedmatch) are fine.G25 is not created by Jesus Christ..only idiots like you believe that Polako's calculators are 100% accurate.Anyway,i am doing a favour replying to you.I usually don't chat with europeans rapes...;)

European rape? I'm european genetically and culturally, you are a kike.


My models are a much better fit than yours, and it clearly shows actual North African ancestry, not just Iberomaurusian. I can run all Iberians if you want.

What? The one in your signature? That was made by a retarded, because not knowing that Bell Beakers are already mixed with ANF, and saying to me that my model are not good as yours, is just stupid. Also adding modern african samples on it :lmao

[Raizen]

Yes, there is Northafrican ancestry, no problem with this, but not an average of 15%. And even some here would discuss if that ancestry is ancient or modern, I don´t care about this issue.

Celtibero is not very biased hidding any ancestry, he si not Cv or others Spanish members, and I think neither I am. So please, respect him.

It is ancient in the sense that it surely predates Moors, but not older than the Punic era. I never said it is 15% on average and i wasn't disrespectful.

[gixajo]

My models are a much better fit than yours, and it clearly shows actual North African ancestry, not just Iberomaurusian. I can run all Iberians if you want.

Make a thread with your spreadsheets so we can see our results.

[Rocinante]

You are being dishonest here, North African ancestry doesn't include only Iberomaurusian admix.

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 1.9395% / 0.01939459
71.6 Celtiberian
19.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial
7.0 Moroccan
2.2 Iberos

DUDE WHAT KIND OF CRAPPY CALCS ARE YOU USING? My eyes are fucking bleeding with you...

[Raizen]

? The one in your signature? That was made by a retarded, because not knowing that Bell Beakers are already mixed with ANF, and saying to me that my model are not good as yours, is just stupid. Also adding modern african samples on it :lmao
You clearly have no clue about Iberian genetics and genetics in general. And i'm not talking about the model in my signature, look at my previous post.

[Raizen]

DUDE WHAT KIND OF CRAPPY CALCS ARE YOU USING? My eyes are fucking bleeding with you...

I don't use any calculator, i have enough IQ to craft my own models.

[gixajo]

It is ancient in the sense that it surely predates Moors, but not older than the Punic era. I never said it is 15% on average and i wasn't disrespectful.

Sorry, I misquote, I want to quote Bestworld.

I guess majority of Northafrican components in Spanish Dna comes also from modern times, some Spaniards don´t like to admit this, but is true that we cannot separate modern and ancient components in an effective way.

[Nassbean]

Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin,0.1175998,0 .180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Yamnaya_from_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0 .1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176, 0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.0965 35,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP,0.036423,-0.284348,0.083721,0.089471,-0.075706,-0.013387,-0.11398,-0.126226,-0.003681,-0.021139,-0.00406,-0.008243,0.004906,-0.011423,0.005293,0.003315,0.000261,-0.000507,0.007039,0.009505,-0.013601,0.002844,0.011339,0.003133,-0.009939
BLZ_MayahakCabPek_9300BP,0.052359,-0.323954,0.11389,0.093347,-0.118791,-0.018128,-0.286243,-0.337601,-0.007976,-0.008383,0.001786,0.005695,0.003271,0.022157,-0.002714,0.002519,0.00352,0.000633,-0.001006,0.005753,0.006364,0.002226,-0.001356,0.001687,0.003233
Ancient_Persian_of_Jiroft,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858, 0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Natufian_of_Shuqba,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh, 0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534






I just tried it :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 3.6523% / 0.03652300
48.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
10.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
6.0 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
3.2 Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh
1.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
0.4 Natufian_of_Shuqba

the distance is quite high

[gixajo]

I don't use any calculator, i have enough IQ to craft my own models.

And how do you craft your own models?

[Rocinante]

You clearly have no clue about Iberian genetics and genetics in general. And i'm not talking about the model in my signature, look at my previous post.

Weren't you the one who called me a cock sucker from the spaniards, being myself spanish already? Nice joke there. Also, i saw your calc, i don't know WTF are you trying to do, iberians are what they are. Not knowing about iberian genetics :lmao yeah right.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 4.2452% / 0.04245179
56.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
31.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
7.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

[gixajo]

I just tried it :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 3.6523% / 0.03652300
48.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
10.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
6.0 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
3.2 Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh
1.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
0.4 Natufian_of_Shuqba

the distance is quite high

is it the best distance you obtain among other calculator configurations?

[Bestworld]

Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin,0.1175998,0 .180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Yamnaya_from_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0 .1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176, 0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.0965 35,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP,0.036423,-0.284348,0.083721,0.089471,-0.075706,-0.013387,-0.11398,-0.126226,-0.003681,-0.021139,-0.00406,-0.008243,0.004906,-0.011423,0.005293,0.003315,0.000261,-0.000507,0.007039,0.009505,-0.013601,0.002844,0.011339,0.003133,-0.009939
BLZ_MayahakCabPek_9300BP,0.052359,-0.323954,0.11389,0.093347,-0.118791,-0.018128,-0.286243,-0.337601,-0.007976,-0.008383,0.001786,0.005695,0.003271,0.022157,-0.002714,0.002519,0.00352,0.000633,-0.001006,0.005753,0.006364,0.002226,-0.001356,0.001687,0.003233
Ancient_Persian_of_Jiroft,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858, 0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Natufian_of_Shuqba,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh, 0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534



European rape? I'm european genetically and culturally, you are a kike.



What? The one in your signature? That was made by a retarded, because not knowing that Bell Beakers are already mixed with ANF, and saying to me that my model are not good as yours, is just stupid. Also adding modern african samples on it :lmao


Υou are so irrelevant and bad that you using half neolithic references and half (mesolithic HG) and you really believe that your model is good ahahaha what is your IQ?Anatolia N barcin contains CHG and levant admixture .Iran Ganj Dareh is another neolithic witch contains CHG.You have zero idea about modeling..

And you also using this:Ancient_Persian_of_Jiroft,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858, 0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317l

hahaha wtf dude...

[Rocinante]

I just tried it :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 3.6523% / 0.03652300
48.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
30.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
10.4 Yamnaya_from_Samara
6.0 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
3.2 Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh
1.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
0.4 Natufian_of_Shuqba

the distance is quite high

Distance is good. Remember that when modeling with ancient samples we can't expect a distance below 2%, but if it is lower than 5% you are good. Modeling with modern samples is quite diffrente.

[Raizen]

Weren't you the one who called me a cock sucker from the spaniards, being myself spanish already? Nice joke there. Also, i saw your calc, i don't know WTF are you trying to do, iberians are what they are. Not knowing about iberian genetics :lmao yeah right.

My post wasn't directed at you but if the hats fits, wear it. It is very hard to discuss with Spaniards here, you guys are very hysteric, Jesus.

[Rocinante]

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 4.2452% / 0.04245179
56.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
31.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
7.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

Laking of WHG, higher Yamna than the average iberian = Typical portuguese/galician/astur-leonese result.

[Bestworld]

Distance is good. Remember that when modeling with ancient samples we can't expect a distance below 2%, but if it is lower than 5% you are good. Modeling with modern samples is quite diffrente.

Clown you using half neolithic samples what ancient you saying rofl...your whole model sucks!!!

Guys his model is 100% wrong don't use it..

[gixajo]

My best distance with this calculator.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7772% / 0.03777173
55.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.8 Yamnaya_from_Samara
12.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
2.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt

[Raizen]

And how do you craft your own models?

I'll make a decent calculator for Iberians. I'm done with Celtibero Itálico's crap models.

[gixajo]

Clown you using half neolithic samples what ancient you saying rofl...your whole model sucks!!!

Guys his model is 100% wrong don't use it..

Post your model, please.

[Nassbean]

is it the best distance you obtain among other calculator configurations?

these two have smaller distances :

https://i.imgur.com/SOrLhDa.png?1
https://i.imgur.com/JENay3V.png?1

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Each calculator gives different results, that is expected. There isn't any that is infallible, people have to empirically draw their conclusions by analyzing several.
As a general rule though, it is usually better to use samples from the same era\period whenever possible with a few exceptions.

[Rocinante]

I'll make a decent calculator for Iberians. I'm done with Celtibero Itálico's crap models.

C'mon my nigga go ahead! Make some calc that blow our minds, if you want, make it with the hebrew asshole that is thinking that i'm going to answer his pathetics quotes saying just shit.

[gixajo]

I'll make a decent calculator for Iberians. I'm done with Celtibero Itálico's crap models.
Haven´t you already made one for Iberians?

I thought you were a great Iberian genetics connoisseur.

[Raizen]

these two have smaller distances :


Interesting, you have some steppe bro. Maybe Iberian Bell Beakers migrated into North Africa.

[Nassbean]

Laking of WHG, higher Yamna than the average iberian = Typical portuguese/galician/astur-leonese result.

edit

[gixajo]

C'mon my nigga go ahead! Make some calc that blow our minds, if you want, make it with the hebrew asshole that is thinking that i'm going to answer his pathetics quotes saying just shit.

Nos va a hacer uno especial para que saquemos 20% directamente de las selvas del Congo.:rolleyes:

[Raizen]

Haven´t you already made one for Iberians?

I thought you were a great Iberian genetics connoisseur.

I'm sure i know more than the clueless Celtibero Italico does.

[gixajo]

lol so a moroccan has more WHG than a portuguese interesting

In your case we speak about some French soldier and a Viking maiden that could explain some things...;)

[Rocinante]

lol so a moroccan has more WHG than a portuguese interesting

No way, what moroccan could score that?


Nos va a hacer uno especial para que saquemos 20% directamente de las selvas del Congo.:rolleyes:

Lo pones en duda? :lmao van directo a eso, no lo dudes ni un segundo.

[Nassbean]

Interesting, you have some steppe bro. Maybe Iberian Bell Beakers migrated into North Africa.

it's mainly from the late neolithic and I probably have some morisco ancestors too

[Bestworld]

these two have smaller distances :

https://i.imgur.com/SOrLhDa.png?1
https://i.imgur.com/JENay3V.png?1

Both of your models are wrong.

[Nassbean]

In your case we speak about some French soldier and a Viking maiden that could explain some things...;)

hahah yes ..but enjoy your moor blood too

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

lol so a moroccan has more WHG than a portuguese interesting

You didn't though, your results are 6% below.

[Nassbean]

Both of your models are wrong.

they aren't mine but yes myself I knew something was wrong with them

[Adamm]

Target: Adam_scaled
Distance: 2.9931% / 0.02993126
43.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
28.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
9.6 Natufian_of_Shuqba
6.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
5.2 Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh
5.0 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
2.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

The distance is decent with that model posted earlier.

[Nassbean]

You didn't though, your results are 6% below.

ah yes my bad I didn't see correctly I will edit my post

[gixajo]

I'm sure i know more than the clueless Celtibero Italico does.

It´s not a personal competition about who knows more.

[Rocinante]

It´s not a personal competition about who knows more.

Let's see what model he can make, it must be good, because he knows A LOOOOT of iberians :lmao and i know shit.

[gixajo]

Let's see what model he can make, it must be good, because he knows A LOOOOT of iberians :lmao and i know shit.

I dont know, maybe he make a good one, we will see when he does it.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Target: Adam_scaled
Distance: 2.9931% / 0.02993126
43.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
28.2 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
9.6 Natufian_of_Shuqba
6.0 Yamnaya_from_Samara
5.2 Western_Asian_Neolithic_Pastoralist_of_Ganj_Dareh
5.0 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
2.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour

The distance is decent with that model posted earlier.

Try this.



Roman_Imperial_proxy,0.0094,0.0146333,-0.0066,-0.0170667,0.0018667,-0.0057667,-0.0007667,-0.0016333,0.0004333,0.0084667,0.0043667,0.0039667,-0.0056,0.0004667,-0.0050333,-8e-04,0.0064333,-0.0008667,0.0035667,0.0005667,-0.0012333,0.0018333,0.0025333,0.0015,0.0013333
North_African,-0.00346,0.01294,-0.00062,-0.02128,0.01096,-0.01304,-0.01276,0.00358,0.03466,0.01676,0.00466,-0.004,0.01228,-0.01286,0.0171,-0.00984,0.00244,-0.01516,-0.03526,0.00832,-0.0108,-0.0305,0.01888,-0.00098,0.00386
Celtiberian_IA,0.011,0.0141,0.01725,0.00355,0.0188 5,0.0012,-0.00145,0.00195,0.01275,0.0192,-0.00135,0.0059,-0.0114,-0.0062,0.0079,5e-05,-0.00635,7e-04,-1e-04,-6e-04,0.0066,0.0019,-0.00575,-0.0098,-0.0051
FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o,0.0119,0.012,0.0221,0.0224,0.0 154,0.007,-0.004,0.0022,0.0056,7e-04,7e-04,0.0017,-0.0074,-0.0099,0.0255,0.0089,-0.0035,0.0013,0.0096,0.0155,3e-04,-0.001,-0.0038,-0.0017,0.0045
Levant_Roman,0.007675,0.014375,-0.015275,-0.02705,-0.0036,-0.009975,-0.003325,-0.003225,0.0038,0.007275,0.001675,-0.006475,0.00865,-0.001925,-0.007075,0.007725,0.0013,-0.000925,0.002075,0.00265,-2e-04,0.003625,-0.0029,-7e-04,-0.004
Yoruba,-0.0553545,0.0061545,0.0058636,0.0051727,0.0001636, 0.0044727,-0.0189,0.0207,-0.0239,0.0179818,0.0028455,0.0005273,0.0155091,0.0 006909,0.0092273,-0.0072455,0.0054273,0.0003545,0.0047909,-0.0023909,0.0012455,0.0018727,-0.0014273,-0.0003909,-0.0003545

[PT Tagus]

Target: PT_Tagus_scaled
Distance: 3.9106% / 0.03910571
53.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
29.6 Yamnaya_from_Samara
9.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
4.6 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
2.6 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer
0.8 Natufian_of_Shuqba

[Raizen]

Try my calculator Iberian boys!

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318719-Ethnolinguistic-Iberian-calculator&p=6590146#post6590146

[Adamm]

Try this.



Roman_Imperial_proxy,0.0094,0.0146333,-0.0066,-0.0170667,0.0018667,-0.0057667,-0.0007667,-0.0016333,0.0004333,0.0084667,0.0043667,0.0039667,-0.0056,0.0004667,-0.0050333,-8e-04,0.0064333,-0.0008667,0.0035667,0.0005667,-0.0012333,0.0018333,0.0025333,0.0015,0.0013333
North_African,-0.00346,0.01294,-0.00062,-0.02128,0.01096,-0.01304,-0.01276,0.00358,0.03466,0.01676,0.00466,-0.004,0.01228,-0.01286,0.0171,-0.00984,0.00244,-0.01516,-0.03526,0.00832,-0.0108,-0.0305,0.01888,-0.00098,0.00386
Celtiberian_IA,0.011,0.0141,0.01725,0.00355,0.0188 5,0.0012,-0.00145,0.00195,0.01275,0.0192,-0.00135,0.0059,-0.0114,-0.0062,0.0079,5e-05,-0.00635,7e-04,-1e-04,-6e-04,0.0066,0.0019,-0.00575,-0.0098,-0.0051
FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o,0.0119,0.012,0.0221,0.0224,0.0 154,0.007,-0.004,0.0022,0.0056,7e-04,7e-04,0.0017,-0.0074,-0.0099,0.0255,0.0089,-0.0035,0.0013,0.0096,0.0155,3e-04,-0.001,-0.0038,-0.0017,0.0045
Levant_Roman,0.007675,0.014375,-0.015275,-0.02705,-0.0036,-0.009975,-0.003325,-0.003225,0.0038,0.007275,0.001675,-0.006475,0.00865,-0.001925,-0.007075,0.007725,0.0013,-0.000925,0.002075,0.00265,-2e-04,0.003625,-0.0029,-7e-04,-0.004
Yoruba,-0.0553545,0.0061545,0.0058636,0.0051727,0.0001636, 0.0044727,-0.0189,0.0207,-0.0239,0.0179818,0.0028455,0.0005273,0.0155091,0.0 006909,0.0092273,-0.0072455,0.0054273,0.0003545,0.0047909,-0.0023909,0.0012455,0.0018727,-0.0014273,-0.0003909,-0.0003545

Target: Adam
Distance: 1.6546% / 0.01654635
84.8 North_African
15.2 Levant_Roman

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.0941% / 0.01094085
70.8 Celtiberian_IA
12.6 Roman_Imperial_proxy
8.6 North_African
8.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.5676% / 0.01567594 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Celtiberian_IA

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.2121% / 0.01212071 | ADC: 0.5x
86.4 Celtiberian_IA
8.8 Roman_Imperial_proxy
4.8 North_African

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.1060% / 0.01106013 | ADC: 0.25x
75.6 Celtiberian_IA
11.4 Roman_Imperial_proxy
7.4 North_African
5.6 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o

Do you accept Spanish inmigrants in Morocco Nass?

[gixajo]

Try my calculator Iberian boys!

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318719-Ethnolinguistic-Iberian-calculator&p=6590146#post6590146

Boy? I am 43 years old, my little friend of undetermined origins.

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.9416% / 0.03941583
50.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer_from_Barcin
32.2 Yamnaya_from_Samara
8.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer_from_Loschbour
6.4 Iberomaurusian_of_Taforalt
2.2 Ethiopian_Neolithic_Hunter-Gatherer

[Nassbean]

Target: Adam
Distance: 1.6546% / 0.01654635
84.8 North_African
15.2 Levant_Roman

in comparison :

Target: Nassbean
Distance: 1.4194% / 0.01419438
81.6 North_African
9.6 Levant_Roman
4.0 Celtiberian_IA
3.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
1.0 Yoruba
0.8 Roman_Imperial_proxy

[gixajo]

And the Raizen calculator for "Iberian boys":

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8381% / 0.01838150
44.6 Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA
19.6 Imperial_Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
19.0 Iberian_&_Tartessian:Iberia_North_BA
11.8 Early_Germanic:FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
2.6 Iberian_&_Tartessian:Iberia_Southeast_BA
2.4 Broadly_North_African:Canary_Islands_Guanche

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.9344% / 0.02934439 | ADC: 1x
96.2 Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA
3.8 Imperial_Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.1364% / 0.02136353 | ADC: 0.5x
83.4 Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA
14.4 Imperial_Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
2.2 Iberian_&_Tartessian:Iberia_North_BA

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9344% / 0.01934362 | ADC: 0.25x
67.2 Celtiberian:Iberia_North_IA
17.4 Imperial_Roman:ITA_Rome_Imperial
11.0 Iberian_&_Tartessian:Iberia_North_BA
3.4 Early_Germanic:FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
1.0 Broadly_North_African:Canary_Islands_Guanche

[Nassbean]

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.0941% / 0.01094085
70.8 Celtiberian_IA
12.6 Roman_Imperial_proxy
8.6 North_African
8.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.5676% / 0.01567594 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Celtiberian_IA

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.2121% / 0.01212071 | ADC: 0.5x
86.4 Celtiberian_IA
8.8 Roman_Imperial_proxy
4.8 North_African

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.1060% / 0.01106013 | ADC: 0.25x
75.6 Celtiberian_IA
11.4 Roman_Imperial_proxy
7.4 North_African
5.6 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o

Do you accept Spanish inmigrants in Morocco Nass?

Hahah spanish like you yes no problem

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro
Distance: 1.5805% / 0.01580479
55.8 Celtiberian_IA
20.6 Roman_Imperial_proxy
12.2 North_African
8.2 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
3.2 Yoruba

[Nassbean]

Target: Pedro
Distance: 1.5805% / 0.01580479
55.8 Celtiberian_IA
20.6 Roman_Imperial_proxy
12.2 North_African
8.2 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
3.2 Yoruba

I wonder if this model is accurate when it comes to the ssa because I don't think it's possible for two NAs here to have less yoruba than a portuguese

[Adamm]

I wonder if this model is accurate when it comes to the ssa because I don't think it's possible for two NAs here to have less yoruba than a portuguese

The SSA is present inside the North_African component.

[Pedro Ruben]

Try my calculator Iberian boys!

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318719-Ethnolinguistic-Iberian-calculator&p=6590146#post6590146

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 2.4405% / 0.02440451
42.6 Celtiberian
20.4 Imperial_Roman
18.8 Early_Germanic
18.2 Broadly_North_African

[Nassbean]

The SSA is present inside the North_African component.

correct I forgot this

[Mixdguy17]

All the calucators(even those of gedmatch) are fine.G25 is not created by Jesus Christ..only idiots like you believe that Polako's calculators are 100% accurate.Anyway,i am doing a favour replying to you.I usually don't chat with europeans rapes...;)

23andMe on average have around 4% NA, actually Italians end up showing more MENA than spaniards on average

[gixajo]

Another one here for "Roman" times:

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Pseudo-Roman%20G25%20Calculator.htm

My results:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6164% / 0.01616407
46.8 HISPANI
36.6 VASCONES
5.4 VENEDI
4.6 ITALI
3.0 GALLI
2.4 SYRIA
1.2 MAURI

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8679% / 0.01867868 | ADC: 1x
94.2 HISPANI
5.8 VASCONES

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7125% / 0.01712516 | ADC: 0.5x
79.6 HISPANI
18.4 VASCONES
2.0 GALLI

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6328% / 0.01632839 | ADC: 0.25x
74.6 HISPANI
21.6 VASCONES
3.2 VENEDI
0.6 GALLI

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01959389 HISPANI
0.03250421 VASCONES
0.05982535 GALLI
0.06060165 ITALI
0.06808630 ILLYRII
0.07807718 BRITANNICI
0.08223091 GERMANI
0.08958788 GRAECI
0.11728854 OSTROGOTHAE
0.12963456 VENEDI
0.13980908 FENNI
0.15628452 SYRIA
0.15919317 ALANI
0.16593613 ARMENII
0.18515205 SCYTHI
0.21372347 HYPERBOREIS
0.22279813 MAURI

[Synapsid]

23andMe on average have around 4% NA, actually Italians end up showing more MENA than spaniards on average

Italians have more West Asian specifically. Their non-Steppe CHG and Iran_Meso/Iran_N/Iran_Chl is much higher than Spaniards. Also S. Italians have Canaanite related ancestry. They have lower NA is most regions of Italy compared to Iberia tho

[Nassbean]

Another one here for "Roman" times:

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Pseudo-Roman%20G25%20Calculator.htm

My results:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6164% / 0.01616407
46.8 HISPANI
36.6 VASCONES
5.4 VENEDI
4.6 ITALI
3.0 GALLI
2.4 SYRIA
1.2 MAURI

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8679% / 0.01867868 | ADC: 1x
94.2 HISPANI
5.8 VASCONES

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7125% / 0.01712516 | ADC: 0.5x
79.6 HISPANI
18.4 VASCONES
2.0 GALLI

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6328% / 0.01632839 | ADC: 0.25x
74.6 HISPANI
21.6 VASCONES
3.2 VENEDI
0.6 GALLI

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01959389 HISPANI
0.03250421 VASCONES
0.05982535 GALLI
0.06060165 ITALI
0.06808630 ILLYRII
0.07807718 BRITANNICI
0.08223091 GERMANI
0.08958788 GRAECI
0.11728854 OSTROGOTHAE
0.12963456 VENEDI
0.13980908 FENNI
0.15628452 SYRIA
0.15919317 ALANI
0.16593613 ARMENII
0.18515205 SCYTHI
0.21372347 HYPERBOREIS
0.22279813 MAURI


Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 3.4647% / 0.03464746
81.8 MAURI
18.2 VASCONES

[SharpFork]

No vandals never mixed with north africans unlike arabs and romans : Vandals were only living on the fertile lands around Carthage and were all expelled when the byzantines came. Arabs mixed with north africans but with time they got absorbed into the berber mass. In the case of romans they were a tiny minority that probably never really impacted us :
I find the idea that both Romans and Vandals had 0 or near 0 impact even locally unlikely, first of all where would Vandals have been expelled to exactly?


In fact, if we seek to determine the numerical size of the contingent of Roman or Italian immigrants in Africa, we have every reason to admit that it was small: and it does not grow much even if we add immigrants not -Italians.
Does he give any concrete figures?


In short, the army brought into Africa, in the first century, a number of men from other provinces of the Empire. But the proportion of this non-African element went on weakening until becoming, around 150, practically zero.
Ok but by 150 CE non-African military presence would have existed for 3 centuries, why wouldn't that have had any effect?

In any case to investigate the quesiton we need more samples from the pre-Roman and Roman period, for all we know Roman and Vandal influence could have existed but have been diluted during the Arab and general medieval period. A lot of inner Mauri lived outside Roman control afterall.

[Nassbean]

I find the idea that both Romans and Vandals had 0 or near 0 impact even locally unlikely, first of all where would Vandals have been expelled to exactly?

I don't know where they went exactly but there is now no doubt that they all left north africa because byzantines were hostile to them especially because of their christian doctrina : arianism which was considered as an heresy by byzantines (Btw they were only 80 000 mainly controlling the eastern part of the maghreb and families living around Carthage)



Does he give any concrete figures?

No that's not really possible



Ok but by 150 CE non-African military presence would have existed for 3 centuries, why wouldn't that have had any effect?

In any case to investigate the quesiton we need more samples from the pre-Roman and Roman period, for all we know Roman and Vandal influence could have existed but have been diluted during the Arab and general medieval period. A lot of inner Mauri lived outside Roman control afterall.

That's not exactly true when Rome defeated Carthage they only took what is now known as tunisia and called it "africa" ...Numidia will be under roman rule in 46 BCE and Mauretania in 44 AD. Moreover you have to know that the whole area was quite peaceful compared to other provinces that's why only one legion was stationed there.

About pre-islamic berbers you have guanches : "Genomic Analyses of Pre-European Conquest Human Remains from the Canary Islands Reveal Close Affinity to Modern North Africans" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982217312575

so no big changes since then. I will also add this :
The results of this study show that there is a native genetic component that defines North Africans. In-depth study of these markers shows that the people inhabiting North Africa today are not descendants of the earliest occupants of this region fifty thousand years ago, but shows that the ancestors of today's North Africans were a group of populations that already lived in the region around thirteen thousand years ago. Furthermore, this local North African genetic component is very different from the one found in the populations in the south of the Sahara, which shows that the ancestors of today's North Africans were members of a subgroup of humanity who left Africa to conquer the rest of the world and who subsequently returned to the north of the continent to settle in the region

source : https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1002397

Here my genetic distances to ancient samples :

https://i.imgur.com/g94X6Dp.png?1

close to guanches and punics :cool: so we were not really different compared to our ancestors

[SharpFork]

I don't know where they went exactly but there is now no doubt that they all left north africa because byzantines were hostile to them especially because of their christian doctrina : arianism which was considered as an heresy by byzantines (Btw they were only 80 000 mainly controlling the eastern part of the maghreb and families living around Carthage)
Again we have no reason to believe this, 80k people diluting into the populaiton wouldn't be particularly noticeable today, why assume(because ultimately that's what you are doing) that they would have all fled? A golden rule of mine is that we shouldn't assume that an invading population had no genetic effect if we could explain the fact it's not evident by just saying it was small or was diluted/removed later on.


No that's not really possible
But he argues like it is.


That's not exactly true when Rome defeated Carthage they only took what is now known as tunisia and called it "africa" ...Numidia will be under roman rule in 46 BCE and Mauretania in 44 AD. Moreover you have to know that the whole area was quite peaceful compared to other provinces that's why only one legion was stationed there.
Sure but military presence wasn't the only one:

https://assets.ctfassets.net/4wrp2um278k7/14LsrPAEcMoymUhydt0g8V/50f0487465e8c6670b7f7c4f4ea4d873/9789048542680_ToC_Intro.pdf



Colonisation of the new region started slowly, but the strategic location
of Carthage led Julius Caesar to re-found the city in 46 BCE, extending
its territory to the south. Colonisation then increased rapidly, and many
Italians and war veterans were settled there, especially during the reign of
the emperor Augustus (r. 27 BCE–14 CE). He handed the administration of
North Africa over to the Senate and a proconsul was appointed to rule the
province (hence the name Africa Proconsularis), with the new Carthage
as capital. One legion was allocated to the province, the Legio III Augusta.


so no big changes since then. I will also add this :

source : https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1002397
We already talked about this, MAR_EN and MAR_LN alone prove that while Iberomaurusian left more ancestry than the WHG did in Europe they still form a minority of the local ancestry in all populations now alive. So I question the "around thirteen thousand years ago" bit. I'd agree if it said 4-5 thousands.
Edit: maybe I'm misunderstanding what the study is saying, I agree that a good amount of the ancestry comes from the Mesolithic, but not most!


close to guanches and punics :cool: so we were not really different compared to our ancestors
I question that Sardinia_punic is an actual unmixed Berber sample from the period, it has little Iberomaurisian(between half and a third) admixuture compared to other modern and ancient samples, seems to be that no unmixed Maghrebi sample has less than 20% Iberomaurisian.

BTW what happens if you use this model?


ENF:Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312 ,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437

Steppe_IE:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0. 0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537

WHG:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso,0.1225497,0.1120467 ,0.2008793,0.2048907,0.1728527,0.0618207,0.0160593 ,0.0412293,0.108602,0.0271533,-0.0193243,-0.0143373,0.0162043,-0.0086703,0.0708007,0.069035,0.0002173,0.0120353,-0.0099303,0.0637807,0.118,0.0113347,-0.0608843,-0.1971763,0.021994
WHG:Iberia_Northwest_Meso,0.118376,0.088351,0.1621 62,0.17216,0.141565,0.0502,0.007285,0.035075,0.100 626,0.012392,-0.012017,-0.009292,0.022745,-0.00523,0.060531,0.056218,-0.021253,0.012415,-0.007919,0.085291,0.139254,0.024483,-0.068526,-0.254614,0.027662

Levantine_bronze_age:Levant_ISR_MLBA,0.080814,0.14 9283,-0.046009,-0.103683,-0.012618,-0.036256,-0.00564,-0.008769,0.00859,0.014579,0.01088,-0.007044,0.01665,0.004542,-0.012215,0.012198,0.002477,0.008742,0.006285,0.013 506,0.015348,0.013973,-0.013557,-0.001205,-0.004431
Levantine_bronze_age:Levant_JOR_EBA,0.0758823,0.14 7929,-0.0599623,-0.11402,-0.0056417,-0.0476903,-0.0108887,-0.013307,0.0336783,0.0075323,0.0157517,-0.0196823,0.041526,-0.0008717,-0.0031217,0.0228937,0.0018253,0.0010137,-0.0030583,0.0170917,0.0050743,0.011706,-0.0038617,0.0042577,-0.0071053

Berber:Iberia_Central_CA_Afr,-0.05122,0.140143,-0.002263,-0.091086,0.0397,-0.047133,-0.036192,0.007384,0.091013,0.044283,0.012179,-0.000899,0.006987,-0.018029,0.020087,-0.016309,0.000652,-0.016596,-0.033561,0.003001,-0.011729,-0.018548,0.013064,-0.009399,0.005987
Berber:Canary_Islands_Guanche,-0.0393828,0.1314096,-0.0023384,-0.0687344,0.0337292,-0.0363672,-0.0299874,0.008261,0.0708878,0.0305428,0.0075674,-0.0059948,0.0182554,-0.0176982,0.0232082,-0.0130468,0.0031814,-0.019206,-0.044321,0.010405,-0.0134762,-0.0377142,0.0232692,-0.0011806,0.0046224
Berber:ITA_Sardinia_C_o,-0.086506,0.136081,-0.012068,-0.097869,0.035083,-0.041834,-0.039717,0.003461,0.109011,0.035718,0.008282,-0.010341,0.027205,-0.018441,0.024294,-0.030761,-0.014473,-0.032939,-0.058324,0.012506,-0.013351,-0.045628,0.024526,-0.008676,0.00467
Berber:MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Berber:MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
Berber:MAR_LN,0.021626,0.148267,0.003394,-0.095285,0.047393,-0.054384,-0.027731,0.008769,0.083855,0.054124,0.020136,0.001 798,0.002973,-0.028901,0.004343,0.009944,0.032726,-0.014062,-0.033938,-5e-04,-0.018343,-0.02201,0.011709,-0.009881,-0.004191

Subsaharan:Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Subsaharan:SDinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995

[Nassbean]

Again we have no reason to believe this, 80k people diluting into the populaiton wouldn't be particularly noticeable today, why assume(because ultimately that's what you are doing) that they would have all fled? A golden rule of mine is that we shouldn't assume that an invading population had no genetic effect if we could explain the fact it's not evident by just saying it was small or was diluted/removed later on.

I'm saying this based on what historians says It's not a personal opinion : you have to understand the social context too because at the end of their presence in North africa berbers themselves were in conflict with them and when they settled in the region around carthage there was only them there they didn't lived with the locals but even if you still don't believe me at least we can see that genetically they left no traces in the modern population.




Sure but military presence wasn't the only one:

https://assets.ctfassets.net/4wrp2um278k7/14LsrPAEcMoymUhydt0g8V/50f0487465e8c6670b7f7c4f4ea4d873/9789048542680_ToC_Intro.pdf


I've never denied the fact that some italians settled in Africa but they surely weren't enough to impact significantly the north african genetic pool




We already talked about this, MAR_EN and MAR_LN alone prove that while Iberomaurusian left more ancestry than the WHG did in Europe they still form a minority of the local ancestry in all populations now alive. So I question the "around thirteen thousand years ago" bit. I'd agree if it said 4-5 thousands.
Edit: maybe I'm misunderstanding what the study is saying, I agree that a good amount of the ancestry comes from the Mesolithic, but not most!

Yes but you have to know that iberomaurusians were not berbers/proto-berbers ...it was capsians who came from the Near east during the neolithic era who brought a proto-berber culture and they probably mixed with the local Iberomaurusians.



I question that Sardinia_punic is an actual unmixed Berber sample from the period, it has little Iberomaurisian(between half and a third) admixuture compared to other modern and ancient samples, seems to be that no unmixed Maghrebi sample has less than 20% Iberomaurisian.

BTW what happens if you use this model?

Some of them were more mixed than other samples indeed but it already gives a good idea about what kind of genetic profile punics might have had.

Anyway here I tried your model :

Distance to: Nassbean_scaled
0.03890256 Berber:Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.07035651 Berber:Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.09128129 Berber:MAR_LN
0.10848640 Berber:ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.16307955 Levantine_bronze_age:Levant_JOR_EBA
0.16784930 Levantine_bronze_age:Levant_ISR_MLBA
0.19499996 ENF:Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.27920245 Berber:MAR_EN
0.29084425 Berber:MAR_Taforalt
0.30826327 Steppe_IE:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.49075288 WHG:Iberia_Northwest_Meso
0.49591656 WHG:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
0.59432530 Subsaharan:SDinka
0.63501664 Subsaharan:Yoruba

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 2.3410% / 0.02340980
78.8 Berber
11.8 ENF
6.2 Steppe_IE
1.8 Subsaharan
1.4 Levantine_bronze_age

I doubt it's a good model (you mixed samples from different eras) in comparison to this for example :

https://i.imgur.com/6Bi3rPA.jpg?1

[Voskos]

Interesting.Might explain why North Africans have a relatively high neanderthal admixture.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?size=large&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0047765.t002

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?size=large&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0047765.t002

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0047765

[marco]

I'm saying this based on what historians says It's not a personal opinion : you have to understand the social context too because at the end of their presence in North africa berbers themselves were in conflict with them and when they settled in the region around carthage there was only them there they didn't lived with the locals but even if you still don't believe me at least we can see that genetically they left no traces in the modern population.






I've never denied the fact that some italians settled in Africa but they surely weren't enough to impact significantly the north african genetic pool





Yes but you have to know that iberomaurusians were not berbers/proto-berbers ...it was capsians who came from the Near east during the neolithic era who brought a proto-berber culture and they probably mixed with the local Iberomaurusians.




Some of them were more mixed than other samples indeed but it already gives a good idea about what kind of genetic profile punics might have had.

Anyway here I tried your model :

Distance to: Nassbean_scaled
0.03890256 Berber:Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.07035651 Berber:Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.09128129 Berber:MAR_LN
0.10848640 Berber:ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.16307955 Levantine_bronze_age:Levant_JOR_EBA
0.16784930 Levantine_bronze_age:Levant_ISR_MLBA
0.19499996 ENF:Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.27920245 Berber:MAR_EN
0.29084425 Berber:MAR_Taforalt
0.30826327 Steppe_IE:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.49075288 WHG:Iberia_Northwest_Meso
0.49591656 WHG:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
0.59432530 Subsaharan:SDinka
0.63501664 Subsaharan:Yoruba

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 2.3410% / 0.02340980
78.8 Berber
11.8 ENF
6.2 Steppe_IE
1.8 Subsaharan
1.4 Levantine_bronze_age

I doubt it's a good model (you mixed samples from different eras) in comparison to this for example :

https://i.imgur.com/6Bi3rPA.jpg?1

My son on that same model

Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 1.5851% / 0.01585086
51.6 Berber
19.4 ENF
13.0 Subsaharan
9.2 Steppe_IE
6.8 Levantine_bronze_age


Distance to: Son_scaled
0.06116865 Berber:Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.07577080 Berber:Iberia_Central_CA_Afr
0.08668747 Berber:ITA_Sardinia_C_o
0.14252053 Berber:MAR_LN
0.21011321 Levantine_bronze_age:Levant_JOR_EBA
0.21425433 Levantine_bronze_age:Levant_ISR_MLBA
0.24593957 Berber:MAR_EN
0.25239539 ENF:Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.25416463 Berber:MAR_Taforalt
0.34129827 Steppe_IE:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.51281863 WHG:Iberia_Northwest_Meso
0.52176800 WHG:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso
0.52361523 Subsaharan:SDinka
0.56670678 Subsaharan:Yoruba