Most dominant Y-DNA of TA

[Rocinante]

Vote.

https://i.redd.it/wtoxx5vnuh331.jpg

[gixajo]

Dominant? in what sense?

[Kyp]

E (Balkan)
N (Komi)

[Rocinante]

E (Balkan)
N (Komi)


Dominant? in what sense?

Vote. :)

[Defcon2]

The dominant is going to be R1b but Africans like me, we will match this a bit.

[Harkonnen]

The dominant is going to be R1b but Africans like me, we will match this a bit.

We should have battle royale. All the haplos meeting each other armed with clubs, daggers and baseball bats

[gixajo]

Vote. :)

There is already a similar poll in another old thread. Do you know this?

And you know perfectly that my haplogroup gives me superpowers...

[gixajo]

El r1a M420 incluye al r1a M417?

[Ion Basescul]

I voted for H-M69. Going by the quality of the discussions, many people must be lying about their lineages.

[Oneeye]

E....

[Daos777]

E....

Wtf is E-V12? Is it Royal Indo-european lineage like E-V13?

[Rocinante]

El r1a M420 incluye al r1a M417?

Al revés. Tu solo eres M420?

[gixajo]

Al revés. Tu solo eres M420?

Se supone que yo soy M 417

[Defcon2]

Se supone que yo soy M 417

420 es anterior a 417, incluye a tu subclado.

[Rocinante]

420 es anterior a 417, incluye a tu subclado.


Se supone que yo soy M 417

Exacto. Así que ambos podéis votar a vuestros respectivos subclados.

[Oneeye]

Wtf is E-V12? Is it Royal Indo-european lineage like E-V13?

Somali pirate. I'm of the Anglo strain.

B16157 is mine.


https://i.ibb.co/P1jvfDP/Screenshot-20200330-080733-Samsung-Internet.jpg (https://ibb.co/L9RX2Nc)

[Rocinante]

Somali pirate. I'm of the Anglo strain.

B16157 is mine.
https://i.ibb.co/P1jvfDP/Screenshot-202nternet.jpg (https://ibb.co/L9RX2Nc)

Wtf is E-V12? Is it Royal Indo-european lineage like E-V13?

Both are E1b.

R1b is the superior haplogroup niggas, sorry.

[Coastal Elite]

I want to know the most up-and-coming haplogroup. Which one is gaining on the others in 2020?

[Oneeye]

I want to know the most up-and-coming haplogroup. Which one is gaining on the others in 2020?

E1b

[Rocinante]

I want to know the most up-and-coming haplogroup. Which one is gaining on the others in 2020?

R1b, but E1b will give a good fight.

[Oneeye]

This poll is biased against E1b TA users..

Representing us all as M96 when M78 is most appropriate.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Its R1b because of Western Euros, Latin Americans, Anglo Americans and Australian users together. But its a good fight with I2 because the forum has many Balkanites. R1a because all the slavic and J due to many turks are also really prevalent.

[Rocinante]

This poll is biased against E1b TA users..

Representing us all as M96 when M78 is most appropriate.

M78 belongs to M96, so it's not biased agains't anybody. M96 represents you well.

[Harkonnen]

Its R1b because of Western Euros, Latin Americans, Anglo Americans and Australian users together. But its a good fight with I2 because the forum has many Balkanites. R1a because all the slavic and J due to many turks are also really prevalent.

Me and Jusarius take all of you. Just the 2 of us.

[Defcon2]

This poll is biased against E1b TA users..

Representing us all as M96 when M78 is most appropriate.

This thread unlike most is non-racist and includes E-M2, like mine.

[Harkonnen]

This thread unlike most is non-racist and includes E-M2, like mine.

You are a deadman boi

[Rocinante]

This thread unlike most is non-racist and includes E-M2, like mine.

Exactly, this is just a war between haplogroups, like this:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/UiWX1t00jGKFiVoF1r2AANy0GYuVvuE-ePvPx855HNNouyLgFKjJd0UYqrBeuob6Kr_xtfihQUZ4M5nCZH dYknZCWJsV3JGzL6Et2x0uvHxjIDzidWyyhmNaD8pvKneS_NM

And it seems that my side is winning :rolleyes:

[Tauromachos]

R1a

[Ülev]

N1c2-L666 <---- that looks cool

[Harkonnen]

N1c2-L666 <---- that looks cool

I will summon the beast to join my gang of Jusarius, Motörhead and Me. Together we are unstoppable.

[Rocinante]

Where are the G2a ANFs and I2 WHGs of this forum???

[Harkonnen]

Hweinlant joins my gang. Hweinie for legit real has this bad baby

https://i.ibb.co/fGQn7zN/rk-62m.jpg (https://ibb.co/LhvJfXg)

You can take out lot of r1bs with that bad boy.

[Rocinante]

Hweinlant joins my gang. Hweinie for legit real has this bad baby

https://i.ibb.co/fGQn7zN/rk-62m.jpg (https://ibb.co/LhvJfXg)

You can take out lot of r1bs with that bad boy.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Yamnaya_male_%283%29_%282%29.jpg

Look at that face, that's the face of the R1b that conquered Europe. Fear us.

[Harkonnen]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Yamnaya_male_%283%29_%282%29.jpg

Look at that face, that's the face of the R1b that conquered Europe. Fear us.

That's nice. Does the R1b group of Apricity forum have a automatic assault rifle? If not, then STFU and bow to N1c1.

[Oneeye]

This thread unlike most is not degenerate and includes E-M2, like mine.

[Oneeye]

Where are the G2a ANFs and I2 WHGs of this forum???

Cucked

[Rocinante]

Also lacking of J1s, i know a few.

[PaleoEuropean]

Where are the G2a ANFs and I2 WHGs of this forum???

There is an absurd amount of I2 people on this forum

[happycow]

G2a crew signing in :cool:

[MiloshN]

E or I hmmm :rolleyes:

[Rocinante]

E or I hmmm :rolleyes:

Your only one.

[Rocinante]

R1b winning right now

[Harkonnen]

R1b winning right now

I don't see a single badass on the r1b group. Bunch of fucking soy boys

[Harkonnen]

And you all know this is a fucking fact.

[Pater Patota]

J2 haplo originally belongs Kura-Arexes, Neolithic and Mesolithic Iran people.Then these people started great civilizations such as Hurrian, Hatti, Urartian, Hittite(originally R1b before mixed with local J2 Hattis), Sumerians.Then became inhabitants of Levant and Greece.I believe Greek Achaeans and Phoenicians both were J2 but Pelasgian was E1b.

[Rocinante]

I don't see a single badass on the r1b group. Bunch of fucking soy boys

You alone vs. +10 R1b's, it seems it would be difficult to you my finnic man

[Harkonnen]

You alone vs. +10 R1b's, it seems it would be difficult to you my finnic man

On top of brute force I will use sinister cheat tactics.

[tipirneni]

H-M69 We are South Asian Dogz

[Kayra]

N-VL67

[Rocinante]

R1B THE SUPERIOR HAPLOGROUP. PERIOD.

[porpozontokonto]

R1betas can't even compete with R1alphas.

[Rocinante]

Bump.

[Rocinante]

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_R1b-borders.png

[Rocinante]

G2a crew signing in :cool:

You didn't vote nigga, c'mon.

[Adamm]

E-M215 :rolleyes:

[Rocinante]

E-M215 :rolleyes:

But you have to vote!

[Adamm]

But you have to vote!

I did

[happycow]

You didn't vote nigga, c'mon.

Sorry. I voted just now.

[Ljubic]

The I2-Vlacharmy of this Forum gets the majority once it starts to gather.

[Javiberius]

Haplogroup Q is rare in Spain, it went to Spain with the Huns and the Visigoths.

[Rocinante]

Haplogroup Q is rare in Spain, it went to Spain with the Huns and the Visigoths.

It's almost non-existent here in Spain or Portugal, nice that you have it, it's interesting. I thought it was an ancient american Haplogroup instead of a asian one.

[Javiberius]

Q origin comes from northern and Central Asia in the Altai region between Russia, Kazakhstan, China and Mongolia.

[Rocinante]

bump.

[Lyonnais]

The dominant is going to be R1b but Africans like me, we will match this a bit.

first of all your picture is disgraceful for you. that guy was a propagator of communism, he killed many, imprisoned many and killed a country he didn't belong to.

[Javiberius]

first of all your picture is disgraceful for you. that guy was a propagator of communism, he killed many, imprisoned many and killed a country he didn't belong to.

And on top of that, my parents (like all Cuban Americans born in the U.S.) were exiled to other countries because of Socialism! People were imprisoned and many died. I don’t understand why people glorify these tyrannical political parties like communism and fascism?[especially in the Western World.]. Here, today, like in the USA, Americans are glorifying communist ideals, wether it be in the college/university campuses, the Media, the Entertainment business (Hollywood) and political far left wing parties under the disguise of the Democratic Party. Americans don’t know what they have until the day they lose it! But when we they do, they’ll be sorry! Just like some of those who at first supported Castro’s rise to power and later defected to the US. But there’s no use in re educating these sort of people, especially when living in a world swept by envy and jealousy against our fellow man.

[Nurzat]

I voted for H-M69. Going by the quality of the discussions, many people must be lying about their lineages.

I'm J2-M67 but my two friends that tested with me are both R1a1a. and other two guys I know are both I2a. I think R1a and I2a largely make up the hg of Romanian Moldovans.

[Ion Basescul]

I'm J2-M67 but my two friends that tested with me are both R1a1a. and other two guys I know are both I2a. I think R1a and I2a largely make up the hg of Romanian Moldovans.

Yep, I keep a database on Romanian Y-DNA and on the 2nd sheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oc6XHFXRaZI4LBs28q4NnESRdCs8_35M8NNxZ5kyhKU/edit?usp=sharing) you can see it broken down by region.
In Piatra Neamt, from a cohort of 54 samples, 43% are I2a and 20% R1a.

J2a accounts for 80% of J2 in Romania by the way, and M67 is the most popular subclade.

[Cristiano viejo]

Haplogroup Q is rare in Spain, it went to Spain with the Huns and the Visigoths.

Huns never Foot spain, baby.

[Javiberius]

Huns never Foot spain, baby.

You’re right.....baby! But the Alans were there baby....check this out baby!

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?300535-Are-there-any-Europeans-with-Haplogroup-Q/page6&highlight=Javiberius

(Read the sixth page)

[Lyonnais]

And on top of that, my parents (like all Cuban Americans born in the U.S.) were exiled to other countries because of Socialism! People were imprisoned and many died. I don’t understand why people glorify these tyrannical political parties like communism and fascism?[especially in the Western World.]. Here, today, like in the USA, Americans are glorifying communist ideals, wether it be in the college/university campuses, the Media, the Entertainment business (Hollywood) and political far left wing parties under the disguise of the Democratic Party. Americans don’t know what they have until the day they lose it! But when we they do, they’ll be sorry! Just like some of those who at first supported Castro’s rise to power and later defected to the US. But there’s no use in re educating these sort of people, especially when living in a world swept by envy and jealousy against our fellow man.

You nailed it

[Javiberius]

You nailed it

Thanks...you know, I’ve noticed these Spaniards have been rude to me (not all, except for gixajo, very nice gentleman)and the French have been a lot nicer to me! I used to be a SPANISH futbol fan but now I’m not so sure!

[Luke35]

Just Hark and me rocking N1c

[Rocinante]

Thanks...you know, I’ve noticed these Spaniards have been rude to me (not all, except for gixajo, very nice gentleman)and the French have been a lot nicer to me! I used to be a SPANISH futbol fan but now I’m not so sure!

I wasn't rude with you. Also, a true spanish does not stop feeling as such and love for the spanish homeland, for the opinions of a few people in a forum.

[mitalit]

Thanks...you know, I’ve noticed these Spaniards have been rude to me (not all, except for gixajo, very nice gentleman)and the French have been a lot nicer to me! I used to be a SPANISH futbol fan but now I’m not so sure!

I am sorry Javi, I didn't want to be rude. Anyway don't judge an entire country because of the crazy people of a forum

[Kaspias]

https://wildfiregames.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2017_09/10337033763_6535f31316_k.jpg.e346846327f8b92e449c4 9ad0d7c7962.jpg

[Javiberius]

I wasn't rude with you. Also, a true spanish does not stop feeling as such and love for the spanish homeland, for the opinions of a few people in a forum.

That’s nice...but aren’t you Venezuelan? I was meaning more Cristiano Viejo, he was very condescending in his last comment...?BABY?! Really? If he’s really SPANISH, then where has he heard of that American figurative expression?

I said those things in the heat of the moment when I was starting to feel ashamed at some of the Spaniards that were making me feel alienated. I don’t mean to say these things obviously. But when you feel like people of your ancestral lands make you feel like an alien or an outsider because of how you look, you’d would most likely say these hurtful things out of spitefulness, wouldn’t you? This kind of hurtful crap takes a toll on my self esteem! You’re all like little school boys, picking on the kid that looks different! I’m not going to apologize for the way I look! Deal with it!

[Rocinante]

That’s nice...but aren’t you Venezuelan? I was meaning more Cristiano Viejo, he was very condescending in his last comment...?BABY?! Really? If he’s really SPANISH, then where has he heard of that American figurative expression?

I said those things in the heat of the moment when I was starting to feel ashamed at some of the Spaniards that were making me feel alienated. I don’t mean to say these things obviously. But when you feel like people of your ancestral lands make you feel like an alien or an outsider because of how you look, you’d would most likely say these hurtful things out of spitefulness, wouldn’t you? This kind of hurtful crap takes a toll on my self esteem! You’re all like little school boys, picking on the kid that looks different! I’m not going to apologize for the way I look! Deal with it!

Well, everyone uses american figurative expressions, even the fucking chinks.

I'm venezuelan born, raised with both cultures venezuelan and spanish, now i'm living in Spain as a spanish citizen.

[Leto]

Well, everyone uses american figurative expressions, even the fucking chinks.

I'm venezuelan born, raised with both cultures venezuelan and spanish, now i'm living in Spain as a spanish citizen.
Do you not feel Venezuelan anymore? I mean you are probably not going to return there ever. Also, most Venezuelans are obvious non-whites and anti-colonialists and you seem to love your Southern Euro heritage.

[AlfonsoVIII]

That’s nice...but aren’t you Venezuelan? I was meaning more Cristiano Viejo, he was very condescending in his last comment...?BABY?! Really? If he’s really SPANISH, then where has he heard of that American figurative expression?

I said those things in the heat of the moment when I was starting to feel ashamed at some of the Spaniards that were making me feel alienated. I don’t mean to say these things obviously. But when you feel like people of your ancestral lands make you feel like an alien or an outsider because of how you look, you’d would most likely say these hurtful things out of spitefulness, wouldn’t you? This kind of hurtful crap takes a toll on my self esteem! You’re all like little school boys, picking on the kid that looks different! I’m not going to apologize for the way I look! Deal with it!

No sé qué te habrá ocurrido, pero Cristiano viejo tiene sus opiniones y manera de ser en este foro y no nos representa. Somoa muchos los que hemos tenido roces con él.

[Benyzero]

Just Hark and me rocking N1c

You have finnic lineage? thats cool :D

[Freeroostah]

E1B1B
https://i.imgur.com/vc6Mkd5.jpg

[Rocinante]

Do you not feel Venezuelan anymore? I mean you are probably not going to return there ever. Also, most Venezuelans are obvious non-whites and anti-colonialists and you seem to love your Southern Euro heritage.

I feel venezuelan, i love a lot of things about my country, some of them are just made by God's hand:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0AXN0QpoiuE/WttJYJaFbaI/AAAAAAAAMq8/rAKiRwcZ1tMARexWSJ44hxqQmPWVjwQHgCLcBGAs/s1600/Salto%2B%25C3%2581ngel.jpg

The thing about Venezuela is the corrupt that the society is, obviously this was made by the communist, and i have to escape from there. I was born by an european family, my father is spanish and i always been more close to my father's family side, and i was raised with a hard spanish culture and influence.

It's true that there is a strong anti-colonialist feeling, but i was one who was defending our history in the right way. And yes, as you could saw in my fight agains't KikeWorld, i love my south-european heritage and i will defend it to hardly.

[Javiberius]

I feel venezuelan, i love a lot of things about my country, some of them are just made by God's hand:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0AXN0QpoiuE/WttJYJaFbaI/AAAAAAAAMq8/rAKiRwcZ1tMARexWSJ44hxqQmPWVjwQHgCLcBGAs/s1600/Salto%2B%25C3%2581ngel.jpg

The thing about Venezuela is the corrupt that the society is, obviously this was made by the communist, and i have to escape from there. I was born by an european family, my father is spanish and i always been more close to my father's family side, and i was raised with a hard spanish culture and influence.

It's true that there is a strong anti-colonialist feeling, but i was one who was defending our history in the right way. And yes, as you could saw in my fight agains't KikeWorld, i love my south-european heritage and i will defend it to hardly.

Kike world? Jewish?

[Luke35]

You have finnic lineage? thats cool :D

Nothing really detectable autosomally, but here is a map tracing the path of my paternal line all the way to southern Poland around 2000 years ago or so. Of course my line eventually ended up in NE Hungary. Although it looks like the migration misses Finland here, I believe it should shift a little higher to southern Finland.

I have no Finnish matches, but plenty of Polish. In fact, my specific clade seems to be most common in southern Poland to this day.

https://i.imgur.com/oRcyEJJ.png

[Leto]

Kike world? Jewish?
He means a banned user.

[Leto]

I feel venezuelan, i love a lot of things about my country, some of them are just made by God's hand:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0AXN0QpoiuE/WttJYJaFbaI/AAAAAAAAMq8/rAKiRwcZ1tMARexWSJ44hxqQmPWVjwQHgCLcBGAs/s1600/Salto%2B%25C3%2581ngel.jpg

The thing about Venezuela is the corrupt that the society is, obviously this was made by the communist, and i have to escape from there. I was born by an european family, my father is spanish and i always been more close to my father's family side, and i was raised with a hard spanish culture and influence.

It's true that there is a strong anti-colonialist feeling, but i was one who was defending our history in the right way. And yes, as you could saw in my fight agains't KikeWorld, i love my south-european heritage and i will defend it to hardly.
Do you speak European or South American Spanish? I'm not fluent in Spanish but I'm aware of the difference.

[Rocinante]

Kike world? Jewish?

It was a banned member.


Do you speak European or South American Spanish? I'm not fluent in Spanish but I'm aware of the difference.

I speak the venezuelan spanish, who is very different than the castillian spanish, argentine or mexican. I learned some new words here (specially slurs) :lmao

[Benyzero]

Nothing really detectable autosomally, but here is a map tracing the path of my paternal line all the way to southern Poland around 2000 years ago or so. Of course my line eventually ended up in NE Hungary. Although it looks like the migration misses Finland here, I believe it should shift a little higher to southern Finland.

I have no Finnish matches, but plenty of Polish. In fact, my specific clade seems to be most common in southern Poland to this day.

I wasnt expect hungarians to have finnish autosomally, would be uncommon, but this haplotype indeed unusual in this region, so thats why it chatched my attention immediately.

[Luke35]

I wasnt expect hungarians to have finnish autosomally, would be uncommon, but this haplotype indeed unusual in this region, so thats why it chatched my attention immediately.

Yes indeed, about .5% Hungarians with N1c- which btw has been changed to be called N1a nowadays, but people here on the forum still call it N1c.

[Rocinante]

Where is the J1s and the R1as?

[PT Tagus]

G2-P287
G-L91

[Ethel]

I thought there was a thread like this already (?)

[Rocinante]

https://i.hizliresim.com/Xd8zX7.png

[Gaditanian]

It's almost non-existent here in Spain or Portugal, nice that you have it, it's interesting. I thought it was an ancient american Haplogroup instead of a asian one.

Absolutely yes.

More likely for Huns is my haplogroup

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/LT-L298_Place_of_origin.png/800px-LT-L298_Place_of_origin.png

[Rocinante]

Absolutely yes.

More likely for Huns is my haplogroup

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/LT-L298_Place_of_origin.png/800px-LT-L298_Place_of_origin.png

Your haplogroup is one of the most rare and interesting here, not the boring R1b, R1a or E1b. Seems that it is of West Asian origins, similar case of the R1s, and the frecuency in Cadiz seems to be decent:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Distribution_Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA_II.svg

Maybe it is here in Spain cause of phoenicians?

[Gaditanian]

Maybe it is here in Spain cause of phoenicians?


Some studies says about that, but doesn't have much sense, taking in consideration that Gaditanians how the rest of Andalusians are descendents of Castilian Settlers.

Andalusians can not claim roots with any people before The Reconquista.

If you see the percentages in that map in norwest iberia there is 8% similar to Cadiz, so makes senses accordin to the Reconquista from North to South.

Also doesn't have much sense claim to phoenicians due phoenicians colonizated other areas like Malaga ( Malaka ) that have absence of T.

T for that reason, I think that entered in Iberia with Neolitics migrations from east & central europe ( 23% in you see the map ) that were isolated in northwest iberia.

[Dr_Maul]

J2-M172, subclade M241, inventor of agriculture, you're welcome ;)

[Epirus DNA]

R1b's are total trash :tongue

[Rocinante]

Some studies says about that, but doesn't have much sense, taking in consideration that Gaditanians how the rest of Andalusians are descendents of Castilian Settlers.

Andalusians can not claim roots with any people before The Reconquista.

If you see the percentages in that map in norwest iberia there is 8% similar to Cadiz, so makes senses accordin to the Reconquista from North to South.

Also doesn't have much sense claim to phoenicians due phoenicians colonizated other areas like Malaga ( Malaka ) that have absence of T.

T for that reason, I think that entered in Iberia with Neolitics migrations from east & central europe ( 23% in you see the map ) that were isolated in northwest iberia.

It's true that andalusians (or most of them) cannot claim roots outside the castillians, basques and aragoneses. It seems that your haplogroup is one of the victims of the R1b people arrival in the Iberian Peninsula, like the G2a, just another EEF Y-DNA.

Also, why don't you get the G25? Could be interesting for you.

[Rocinante]

J2-M172, subclade M241, inventor of agriculture, you're welcome ;)

I think it is the G2a, isn't it?


R1b's are total trash :tongue

A greek with a turk haplogroup, this is poetic.

[Dr_Maul]

I think it is the G2a, isn't it?



A greek with a turk haplogroup, this is poetic.

I think G2a is more CHG, but I might be wrong.

[Epirus DNA]

I think it is the G2a, isn't it?

A greek with a turk haplogroup, this is poetic.

J2a is the Haplogroup of the Greeks. The Mycenaeans and Minoans were J2a.

You're a moron. Turks are Mongoloids. Any J2a Turk used to be Greek.

[Rocinante]

I think G2a is more CHG, but I might be wrong.

I think one of the CHG that had been found was G2a, but most of them are J, like you. You iranians are steppe/IN as fuck also, very good people.


J2a is the Haplogroup of the Greeks. The Mycenaeans and Minoans were J2a.

You're a moron. Turks are Mongoloids. Any J2a Turk used to be Greek.

Dude i'm just messing with you. J2a is CHG, a very european haplogroup.

[Babak]

I think one of the CHG that had been found was G2a, but most of them are J, like you. You iranians are steppe/IN as fuck also, very good people.



Dude i'm just messing with you. J2a is CHG, a very european haplogroup.

Lol thanks dawg

[TheMaestro]

This poll is biased against E1b TA users..

Representing us all as M96 when M78 is most appropriate.

No wonders, throughout history we Blacks were always executed and misstreated all the time.

[Rocinante]

No wonders, throughout history we Blacks were always executed and misstreated all the time.

Best haplogroup meme:

https://i.hizliresim.com/Xd8zX7.png

[TheMaestro]

Best haplogroup meme:

https://i.hizliresim.com/Xd8zX7.png

It’s not a meme if it’s true, pal. XD

[tipirneni]

Some studies says about that, but doesn't have much sense, taking in consideration that Gaditanians how the rest of Andalusians are descendents of Castilian Settlers.

Andalusians can not claim roots with any people before The Reconquista.

If you see the percentages in that map in norwest iberia there is 8% similar to Cadiz, so makes senses accordin to the Reconquista from North to South.

Also doesn't have much sense claim to phoenicians due phoenicians colonizated other areas like Malaga ( Malaka ) that have absence of T.

T for that reason, I think that entered in Iberia with Neolitics migrations from east & central europe ( 23% in you see the map ) that were isolated in northwest iberia.

There is also Neolithic T migration into India through MiddleEast/Horn of Africa. You will notice some concentration in South East & some in North

[Coastal Elite]

Best haplogroup meme:

https://i.hizliresim.com/Xd8zX7.png

I'm way blacker than that Greek guy. Don't be trying to white wash my people like that. Whitey always want to make us look like him. Homie don't play that.

[Rocinante]

I'm way blacker than that Greek guy. Don't be trying to white wash my people like that. Whitey always want to make us look like him. Homie don't play that.

Royalty from the E-V13 can't be considered blackies mate, sorry to disappoint you.

[Coastal Elite]

Royalty from the E-V13 can't be considered blackies mate, sorry to disappoint you.

we Nubian kings n shit. We built pyramids. Even the vikings were black before whitey changed the story.

https://i.imgur.com/SsF8Y75.jpg

[Rocinante]

we Nubian kings n shit. We built pyramids. Even the vikings were black before whitey changed the story.

https://i.imgur.com/SsF8Y75.jpg

Niggaz will be niggaz ma frend.

[Mixdguy17]

Where is the J1s and the R1as?

Right here baby

[Mixdguy17]

Do you not feel Venezuelan anymore? I mean you are probably not going to return there ever. Also, most Venezuelans are obvious non-whites and anti-colonialists and you seem to love your Southern Euro heritage.

In my experiences, not most Venezuelans are anti-colonist but u could say latin america as a whole by majority is

[samario]

R1a. :)

I was surprised to learn I was R1a, was expecting to be R1b to be honest but R1a is pretty cool and the history behind it.

[Erronkari]

I am R1b U152.
"Alpino-celtic" haplo.

[Aldaris]

https://i.hizliresim.com/Xd8zX7.png

Show this profound figure to creationists, they won't be able to argue with that. Btw, is that Nassbean as a child?

[Ülev]

most dominant? - r1a :laugh:

https://a.uguu.se/SJnHPkMIqOKX.jpg

[Rocinante]

Show this profound figure to creationists, they won't be able to argue with that. Btw, is that Nassbean as a child?

Our Naz is more white :laugh:

By the way bro, you paternal side is the basque one, right? If it is like that, you have an ~90% of probability to be R1b, so you would be of my team.

[Rocinante]

I am R1b U152.
"Alpino-celtic" haplo.

I hope i get DF27 or U152, i think it will be DF27 though.

[Luso]

R1b-L51 haven't seen any tbh. Rare?

[Dorian]

most dominant? - r1a :laugh:

https://a.uguu.se/SJnHPkMIqOKX.jpg

Are there such similar detailed maps for other haplos?

[Rocinante]

R1b-L51 haven't seen any tbh. Rare?

L-51 is the pre-subclade of L-11, if you want i can search manually your next subclade, i could do the favor for a portuguese brother.

[Luso]

L-51 is the pre-subclade of L-11, if you want i can search manually your next subclade, i could do the favor for a portuguese brother.

I think it is P312/S116, but can be wrong.

[Rocinante]

I think it is P312/S116, but can be wrong.

You have a great chance to be P312, like almost every R1b portuguese, now the thing is if you are DF27 (most probably), L21, DF19 or U152.

[El_Abominacion]

O-M175 / O-F1399, I don’t expect it to be too popular as it’s exclusively Chinese and Vietnamese

[samario]

R1a fue primero que R1b @Celtibero Italico :D

[Rocinante]

R1a fue primero que R1b @Celtibero Italico :D

R1a tomo un rumbo rebelde, y se arrepintio y tuvo que volver a donde debio irse en primer lugar:

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/western-europe-planet-earth-space-country-borders-very-fine-detail-surface-d-illustration-elements-image-135159935.jpg

[Rocinante]

R1b-L51 haven't seen any tbh. Rare?

LOL you voted wrong, you belong to R1b-M343 xD

[Luso]

LOL you voted wrong, you belong to R1b-M343 xD

Yeah, I didn't know anything about mine when I voted lol

[Luso]

LOL you voted wrong, you belong to R1b-M343 xD

Yeah, I didn't know anything about mine when I voted lol

[Rocinante]

Yeah, I didn't know anything about mine when I voted lol

It's okay bro, look:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/78/9e/57789e4d812b0f2f34ebb554faa935d9.png

Right now you are behind L11 and the other subclade which is extremely rare. Most probably, you will fall in P312 and with a 80% of chances that you also fall in DF27, like Damiao, Gota, Spaniard 2.0, Gaska and other iberians. Have you tried this tool? https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

[Luso]

It's okay bro, look:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/78/9e/57789e4d812b0f2f34ebb554faa935d9.png

Right now you are behind L11 and the other subclade which is extremely rare. Most probably, you will fall in P312 and with a 80% of chances that you also fall in DF27, like Damiao, Gota, Spaniard 2.0, Gaska and other iberians. Have you tried this tool? https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

This is what mine says:

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-Z225 Link to R-Z225 on YFull View theoretical migration on PhyloGeographer

R-Z225 Z225/F1343/S225/V2334+ Z229/S359/V2059+
┣━R-Y12470 +2 Y12470/FGC30967/Z29884($)
┣━R-Y16019 +2 Y16019(?)
┣━R-Z222 +1 CTS11683(?) CTS12801(?) CTS9725(?) Z222($) Z231(?) Z235(?) Z238($) Z239(?) Z242(?) Z243(?) Z702(?) Z708/CTS2020(?)
┗━R-Z2543 +3 Z2543($) Z2544(?) Z2545/CTS8001(?) Z32163(?) Z32164($)

Available Panels
R1b-DF27 Panel Predicted R-Z225 is downstream of the panel root. This panel may be applicable if it tests subclades below R-Z225. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.


Next best prediction (scored 182 compared to 184) R-P312

[Rocinante]

This is what mine says:

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-Z225 Link to R-Z225 on YFull View theoretical migration on PhyloGeographer

R-Z225 Z225/F1343/S225/V2334+ Z229/S359/V2059+
┣━R-Y12470 +2 Y12470/FGC30967/Z29884($)
┣━R-Y16019 +2 Y16019(?)
┣━R-Z222 +1 CTS11683(?) CTS12801(?) CTS9725(?) Z222($) Z231(?) Z235(?) Z238($) Z239(?) Z242(?) Z243(?) Z702(?) Z708/CTS2020(?)
┗━R-Z2543 +3 Z2543($) Z2544(?) Z2545/CTS8001(?) Z32163(?) Z32164($)

Available Panels
R1b-DF27 Panel Predicted R-Z225 is downstream of the panel root. This panel may be applicable if it tests subclades below R-Z225. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.


Next best prediction (scored 182 compared to 184) R-P312

Nigga are you kidding me? xD dude you are R1b-DF27, nice! Also you have a beyond DF27 subclade, the same as Spaniard 2.0!

[Luso]

Nigga are you kidding me? xD dude you are R1b-DF27, nice! Also you have a beyond DF27 subclade, the same as Spaniard 2.0!

Lit. Is it 100% accurate?

[Rocinante]

Lit. Is it 100% accurate?

Definitely. 99.9% accurate according one specialist in Anthrogenica, take in account that YSEQ is a company that make haplogroup panels, so their tool must be very powerful.

So you can put with proud your R1b-DF27 or R1b-Z225. Congrats mate.

[Luso]

Definitely. 99.9% accurate according one specialist in Anthrogenica, take in account that YSEQ is a company that make haplogroup panels, so their tool must be very powerful.

So you can put with proud your R1b-DF27 or R1b-Z225. Congrats mate.

:thumb001:

[jingorex]

WHAAAAT??? WAAAAHHHHHT????

https://i.imgflip.com/3zem9n.jpg

[Vojnik]

There could be 5 haplogroup I and 1000 others, and I would still dominate......................

[Rocinante]

There could be 5 haplogroup I and 1000 others, and I would still dominate......................

Sorry man, R1b is superior.

[Teutonski]

There could be 5 haplogroup I and 1000 others, and I would still dominate......................

Quality over quantity

[Rocinante]

Quality over quantity

True germans have E1b, like Hitler.

[Teutonski]

True germans have E1b, like Hitler.

true europeans are I1/I2

[Rabbit Hole]

True germans have E1b, like Hitler.

E1b1b1b2(xE1b1b1b2a,E1b1b1b2b ) is Neolithic it's Levantine.

If that's the case if anything he probably had some Med heritage.

But they also claim his grandfather is Jewish so God knows which is true lol.

[Rocinante]

true europeans are I1/I2

Right now, we are speaking with an indo-european language, brought by the carriers of the R1b :) also your blonde hair and white skin, was also brought with this people.


E1b1b1b2(xE1b1b1b2a,E1b1b1b2b ) is Neolithic it's Levantine.

If that's the case if anything he probably had some Med heritage.

But they also claim his grandfather is Jewish so God knows which is true lol.

E1b in europeans was brought by EEF, no doubt about it, specially the E1b-V13. Also, i don't think Hitler or Goebbels had "Med" heritage, is just EEF in nothern europeans that makes some of them born with black hair and dark eyes, though Hitler was chesnut hair like me, also with bright blue eyes, nothing Med.

[Defcon2]

Right now, we are speaking with an indo-european language, brought by the carriers of the R1b :) also your blonde hair and white skin, was also brought with this people.

E1b in europeans was brought by EEF, no doubt about it, specially the E1b-V13. Also, i don't think Hitler or Goebbels had "Med" heritage, is just EEF in nothern europeans that makes some of them born with black hair and dark eyes, though Hitler was chesnut hair like me, also with bright blue eyes, nothing Med.

Light skin was brought in by Neolithic farmers.

[Teutonski]

Right now, we are speaking with an indo-european language, brought by the carriers of the R1b :) also your blonde hair and white skin, was also brought with this people.



E1b in europeans was brought by EEF, no doubt about it, specially the E1b-V13. Also, i don't think Hitler or Goebbels had "Med" heritage, is just EEF in nothern europeans that makes some of them born with black hair and dark eyes, though Hitler was chesnut hair like me, also with bright blue eyes, nothing Med.

I am Black.

[Rocinante]

Light skin was brought in by Neolithic farmers.

Also the steppe pastoralist brought light skin to Europe, and the blonde hair due EHG heritage.

By the way:

The forensic analysis of the skeletal remains of Che Guevara (1928-1967), the Argentine Marxist revolutionary and major figure of the Cuban Revolution, revealed that he belonged to haplogroup R1b-L21.

:picard1:

[Rabbit Hole]

Light skin was brought in by Neolithic farmers.

Yes

[Rabbit Hole]

Right now, we are speaking with an indo-european language, brought by the carriers of the R1b :) also your blonde hair and white skin, was also brought with this people.



E1b in europeans was brought by EEF, no doubt about it, specially the E1b-V13. Also, i don't think Hitler or Goebbels had "Med" heritage, is just EEF in nothern europeans that makes some of them born with black hair and dark eyes, though Hitler was chesnut hair like me, also with bright blue eyes, nothing Med.

Neolithic farmers had a blonde hair and blue eyes Steppes were pigmentated olive skin and black hair.

I am just saying some people say he had a Jewish grandfather which is where he gets his black hair from not saying it's true or not I personally don't care what he is. Obviously the British and Americans wanted war but they used Hitler as a scapegoat.

Goebbels looked Atlantid some UK people can be like Russel Brand indeed this probably comes in with Bronze Age Celts.

[Rabbit Hole]

true europeans are I1/I2

True European haplogroups are R E J I

[Defcon2]

Also the steppe pastoralist brought light skin to Europe, and the blonde hair due EHG heritage.

By the way:

The forensic analysis of the skeletal remains of Che Guevara (1928-1967), the Argentine Marxist revolutionary and major figure of the Cuban Revolution, revealed that he belonged to haplogroup R1b-L21.

:picard1:

The steppes were darker in skin, but it really doesn't matter since today's Europeans are very mixed by these two influences.

I understood that Che belonged to that haplogroup. :)

[Rocinante]

Neolithic farmers had a blonde hair and blue eyes Steppes were pigmentated olive skin and black hair.

I am just saying some people say he had a Jewish grandfather which is where he gets his black hair from not saying it's true or not I personally don't care what he is. Obviously the British and Americans wanted war but they used Hitler as a scapegoat.

Goebbels looked Atlantid some UK people can be like Russel Brand indeed this probably comes in with Bronze Age Celts.

Neolithic farmers were white-olive skin and dark haired, this is something knew by alot of people, and the first mutation of blonde hair was of the EHG, blue eyes by the WHG, neolithic farmers didn't have this admixture.


True European haplogroups are R E J I

G, N and C too.


The steppes were darker in skin, but it really doesn't matter since today's Europeans are very mixed by these two influences.

I understood that Che belonged to that haplogroup. :)

No brother, you are confused, actually the most light skin of europeans was brought with the yamnayas, why do you think the baltic people are the lighter of the world? Because they have a lot of steppe admixture.

And yes, you should put R1b-L21 to complete your work.

[Defcon2]

No brother, you are confused, actually the most light skin of europeans was brought with the yamnayas, why do you think the baltic people are the lighter of the world? Because they have a lot of steppe admixture.

And yes, you should put R1b-L21 to complete your work.

You speak to me of confusion when you mix the current people with those of before, the Baltics have the clearest eyes and their skin is comparable to the rest of Europeans.
The Udmurts are mostly steppe and look like this (year 1900):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Udmurt_people.jpg

Target: Udmurt
Distance: 5.1462% / 0.05146188
58.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.6 Nganassan
12.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
5.2 WHG
2.8 Han
0.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian

Do you see how it makes no sense to compare modern people with old ones?

[Rocinante]

You speak to me of confusion when you mix the current people with those of before, the Baltics have the clearest eyes and their skin is comparable to the rest of Europeans.
The Udmurts are mostly steppe and look like this (year 1900):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Udmurt_people.jpg

Target: Udmurt
Distance: 5.1462% / 0.05146188
58.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.6 Nganassan
12.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
5.2 WHG
2.8 Han
0.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian

Do you see how it makes no sense to compare modern people with old ones?

That's a high distance, maybe the are less of that amount of steppe, but still look at the rest of their admixture, and even so they look white, kind of like saamis.

I know is stupid comparing modern to ancient populations, but what i'm saying is a fact and said by the people that know this stuff.

[Defcon2]

That's a high distance, maybe the are less of that amount of steppe, but still look at the rest of their admixture, and even so they look white, kind of like saamis.

I know is stupid comparing modern to ancient populations, but what i'm saying is a fact and said by the people that know this stuff.

I have similar distances with that calculator:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.7970% / 0.04797037

55.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 WHG
4.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian
1.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
1.2 Gambian
0.6 Han

They look less European than modern Sardinians and have a ridiculous steppe:

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 3.4374% / 0.03437398
81.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1a/3e/7b/1a3e7b934c4a67906ca13e8717755b5d.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rHiuiikr50o/VB-A33GSEZI/AAAAAAAAGew/lEckqsxNPbY/s1600/sardinians%2Bsardinian%2Bpeople%2B(2).JPG

Nationalist sardinian:

https://www.nationalia.info/imatges/entrevistes/marcel_a_farinelli-1.jpg

[Rocinante]

I have similar distances with that calculator:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.7970% / 0.04797037

55.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 WHG
4.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian
1.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
1.2 Gambian
0.6 Han

They look less European than modern Sardinians and have a ridiculous steppe:

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 3.4374% / 0.03437398
81.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1a/3e/7b/1a3e7b934c4a67906ca13e8717755b5d.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rHiuiikr50o/VB-A33GSEZI/AAAAAAAAGew/lEckqsxNPbY/s1600/sardinians%2Bsardinian%2Bpeople%2B(2).JPG

Nationalist sardinian:

https://www.nationalia.info/imatges/entrevistes/marcel_a_farinelli-1.jpg

Udmurts:

https://alchetron.com/cdn/udmurt-people-db60f80f-d847-4088-8fc1-972ab547326-resize-750.jpeg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/media/images/78897000/jpg/_78897880_redhair-festival624.jpg

https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2017.12/original/5a2e4f3915e9f9173122d9b7.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/a1/33/8ba1336d096308906be11f959d26cb1f.jpg

Also, i got a good calculator with the EEF+WSH+WHG, look what i got:

Target: Udmurt
Distance: 5.0780% / 0.05077971
31.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
30.0 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer
20.6 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic
17.0 Early_European_Farmer
0.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer

Excesive EHG, including the steppe ones (steppes have ~60% EHG), make them blonde/chesnut/ginger and light skin even that they have ~1/4 non-european blood.

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 2.6602% / 0.02660195
81.6 Early_European_Farmer
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
5.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
0.6 Ancient_Dravidian

Now, sardinians are white, but one of the most swarthy europeans cause of very high EEF and lack of steppe, i never saw a non-black hair sardinian, there might be one or another, but it's a small portion of their population.

[Defcon2]

Udmurts:

https://alchetron.com/cdn/udmurt-people-db60f80f-d847-4088-8fc1-972ab547326-resize-750.jpeg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/media/images/78897000/jpg/_78897880_redhair-festival624.jpg

https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2017.12/original/5a2e4f3915e9f9173122d9b7.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/a1/33/8ba1336d096308906be11f959d26cb1f.jpg


Also, i got a good calculator with the EEF+WSH+WHG, look what i got:

Target: Udmurt
Distance: 5.0780% / 0.05077971
31.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
30.0 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer
20.6 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic
17.0 Early_European_Farmer
0.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer

Excesive EHG, including the steppe ones (steppes have ~60% EHG), make them blonde/chesnut/ginger and light skin even that they have ~1/4 non-european blood.

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 2.6602% / 0.02660195
81.6 Early_European_Farmer
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
5.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
0.6 Ancient_Dravidian

Now, sardinians are white, but one of the most swarthy europeans cause of very high EEF and lack of steppe, i never saw a non-black hair sardinian, there might be one or another, but it's a small portion of their population.

You said that the "whiteness" of the skin was almost exclusively steppe, you say that the Neolithic are also white and now you come to me with hair mutations. In your photos you can see that they are Europeans much more atypical with respect to the examples that I gave, their aspects vary from a British aspect to a Mongoloid one.
The lack of steppe does not translate into an atypical aspect in terms of skin tone, which was what he was trying to demonstrate.
The light hair if it was brought by the steppes.

[Leto]

You speak to me of confusion when you mix the current people with those of before, the Baltics have the clearest eyes and their skin is comparable to the rest of Europeans.
The Udmurts are mostly steppe and look like this (year 1900):

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Udmurt_people.jpg

Target: Udmurt
Distance: 5.1462% / 0.05146188
58.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.6 Nganassan
12.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
5.2 WHG
2.8 Han
0.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian

Do you see how it makes no sense to compare modern people with old ones?
The Steppe is greatly inflated by G25. They aren't "mostly Steppe".

Give me the model you used and I'll show you my score.

[Ion Basescul]

No brother, you are confused, actually the most light skin of europeans was brought with the yamnayas,

"The results for the Yamna samples are consistent with the results that appeared in this paper (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3977302/) from last year for 63 Copper and Bronze Age samples from the Pontic-Caspian steppe. Those results showed frequencies for the light skin mutation in SLC45A2, the blue eyes mutation in OCA2/HERC2, and the light skin mutation in TYR that were lower than the frequencies found in modern-day Europeans.

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2015/03/07/phenotype-snps-from-prehistoric-europe/ "


From David Reich's book


The fusion of these highly different populations into today’s West Eurasians is vividly evident in what might be considered the classic northern European look: blue eyes, light skin, and blond hair. Analysis of ancient DNA data shows that western European hunter-gatherers around eight thousand years ago had blue eyes but dark skin and dark hair, a combination that is rare today.33 The first farmers of Europe mostly had light skin but dark hair and brown eyes—thus light skin in Europe largely owes its origins to migrating farmers.34 The earliest known example of the classic European blond hair mutation is in an Ancient North Eurasian from the Lake Baikal region of eastern Siberia from seventeen thousand years ago.35 The hundreds of millions of copies of this mutation in central and western Europe today likely derive from a massive migration into the region of people bearing Ancient North Eurasian ancestry.


So basically, Steppe people, not necessarily Yamnaya, contributed with the mutation for light hair, which was rare in Europe prior to the Bronze Age.
The farmers added light skin in the Neolithic and the WHG had the mutation for blue eyes at some point prior to the Neolithic. We know that later on from mixing with WHG, some farmers are recorded to bear light eyes too.

[Defcon2]

The Steppe is greatly inflated by G25. They aren't "mostly Steppe".

Give me the model you used and I'll show you my score.

Scaled



Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
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WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0 .1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

[Grace O'Malley]

Udmurts:

https://alchetron.com/cdn/udmurt-people-db60f80f-d847-4088-8fc1-972ab547326-resize-750.jpeg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/media/images/78897000/jpg/_78897880_redhair-festival624.jpg

https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2017.12/original/5a2e4f3915e9f9173122d9b7.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/a1/33/8ba1336d096308906be11f959d26cb1f.jpg

Also, i got a good calculator with the EEF+WSH+WHG, look what i got:

Target: Udmurt
Distance: 5.0780% / 0.05077971
31.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
30.0 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer
20.6 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic
17.0 Early_European_Farmer
0.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer

Excesive EHG, including the steppe ones (steppes have ~60% EHG), make them blonde/chesnut/ginger and light skin even that they have ~1/4 non-european blood.

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 2.6602% / 0.02660195
81.6 Early_European_Farmer
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
5.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
0.6 Ancient_Dravidian

Now, sardinians are white, but one of the most swarthy europeans cause of very high EEF and lack of steppe, i never saw a non-black hair sardinian, there might be one or another, but it's a small portion of their population.

These are Irish not Udmurts. i know they appear under an Udmurt search and the picture lists them as Udmurt but they are Irish.

https://alchetron.com/cdn/udmurt-people-db60f80f-d847-4088-8fc1-972ab547326-resize-750.jpeg

Here's another picture of some of the same people.

https://gingerparrot.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Irish-Redhead-Convention-St-Patricks-Day-Parade.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv-iSS7IcAAxicT.jpg

Kind of bizarre that Irish people come up under a search of Udmurts. :)

[Leto]

Scaled



Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
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Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0 .1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Thanks.

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 6.1929% / 0.06192906
52.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
14.0 WHG
3.0 Nganassan
1.8 Han

Isn't the distance too high?

[Leto]

These are Irish not Udmurts. i know they appear under an Udmurt search and the picture lists them as Udmurt but they are Irish.

[IMG]https://alchetron.com/cdn/udmurt-people-db60f80f-d847-4088-8fc1-972ab547326-resize-750.jpeg

Here's another picture of some of the same people.

[IMG]https://gingerparrot.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Irish-Redhead-Convention-St-Patricks-Day-Parade.jpg

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv-iSS7IcAAxicT.jpg

Kind of bizarre that Irish people come up under a search of Udmurts. :)
Lol. I knew that picture was fishy. Udmurts don't look Irish at all. They are very, very Eastern.

[Grace O'Malley]

Also the steppe pastoralist brought light skin to Europe, and the blonde hair due EHG heritage.

By the way:

The forensic analysis of the skeletal remains of Che Guevara (1928-1967), the Argentine Marxist revolutionary and major figure of the Cuban Revolution, revealed that he belonged to haplogroup R1b-L21.

:picard1:

Sort of expected that Che would be L21 as his paternal ancestry is from Galway through Patrick Lynch.

[Rocinante]

You said that the "whiteness" of the skin was almost exclusively steppe, you say that the Neolithic are also white and now you come to me with hair mutations. In your photos you can see that they are Europeans much more atypical with respect to the examples that I gave, their aspects vary from a British aspect to a Mongoloid one.
The lack of steppe does not translate into an atypical aspect in terms of skin tone, which was what he was trying to demonstrate.
The light hair if it was brought by the steppes.

No, i didn't say that.

What i said is that lighter skin was brought with steppe pastoralist, and that the neolithic farmers were white but what we know as olive.

The photos i posted is just to prove what a lot of steppe admixture, even mixed with non-euro ancestry, could make people look light, just that.


These are Irish not Udmurts. i know they appear under an Udmurt search and the picture lists them as Udmurt but they are Irish.

https://alchetron.com/cdn/udmurt-people-db60f80f-d847-4088-8fc1-972ab547326-resize-750.jpeg

Here's another picture of some of the same people.

https://gingerparrot.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Irish-Redhead-Convention-St-Patricks-Day-Parade.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv-iSS7IcAAxicT.jpg

Kind of bizarre that Irish people come up under a search of Udmurts. :)

Sorry, i just searched in google Udmurts and that was one of the first that went up, they look extremely northwestern, i'm a fool i didn't notice that.


Sort of expected that Che would be L21 as his paternal ancestry is from Galway through Patrick Lynch.

Yes, seems to be that he had a great-grandfather from Ireland with Lynch as his last name. Guess pronuncing Guevara was easier instead of Lynch and at some point his paternal line decided to use that last name.

Do you know if your paternal line is L21 too? I came up to be L21, i thought my R1b was DF27, like almost everyone in Spain.

[Defcon2]

No, i didn't say that.

What i said is that lighter skin was brought with steppe pastoralist, and that the neolithic farmers were white but what we know as olive.

The photos i posted is just to prove what a lot of steppe admixture, even mixed with non-euro ancestry, could make people look light, just that.


Udmurts look less lighter and less euro than the purest Neolithic ones so far. Could you show some evidence about olive skin in neolithic and pale skin in steppes?

[Rabbit Hole]

Neolithic farmers were white-olive skin and dark haired, this is something knew by alot of people, and the first mutation of blonde hair was of the EHG, blue eyes by the WHG, neolithic farmers didn't have this admixture.



G, N and C too.



No brother, you are confused, actually the most light skin of europeans was brought with the yamnayas, why do you think the baltic people are the lighter of the world? Because they have a lot of steppe admixture.

And yes, you should put R1b-L21 to complete your work.

But G2a seems interesting to me and I wonder how that would stem in Europe? Last Glacial Maximum?
I have heard Neolithic farmers were blonde with blue eyes and white skin and that the ''Indo Europeans'' were olive skinned and black hair. I certainly know that the WHG were darker in colouring.

[Grace O'Malley]

No, i didn't say that.

What i said is that lighter skin was brought with steppe pastoralist, and that the neolithic farmers were white but what we know as olive.

The photos i posted is just to prove what a lot of steppe admixture, even mixed with non-euro ancestry, could make people look light, just that.



Sorry, i just searched in google Udmurts and that was one of the first that went up, they look extremely northwestern, i'm a fool i didn't notice that.



Yes, seems to be that he had a great-grandfather from Ireland with Lynch as his last name. Guess pronuncing Guevara was easier instead of Lynch and at some point his paternal line decided to use that last name.

Do you know if your paternal line is L21 too? I came up to be L21, i thought my R1b was DF27, like almost everyone in Spain.

No need to apologise. :) Why would you need to do that? I know they come up under an Udmurt search but they are actually from Cork which is really odd that their picture appears as Udmurt.

My paternal line is M222 which is Uí Néill. M222 is pretty far down the L21 tree. Most people wouldn't just be L21 but some subclade underneath. I have done a lot of testing on my brother. It is actually from the Northern Uí Néill part of the Cenél nEógain. I've had the Big Y 700 done on him. I keep meaning to look into it more and get it uploaded to yfull.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branches_of_the_Cen%C3%A9l_nE%C3%B3gain

I don't think any Spanish come up with an Irish subclade but if they did they most likely would be descendants of the Wild Geese which would be a very interesting connection to have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese

[Rabbit Hole]

Udmurts look less lighter and less euro than the purest Neolithic ones so far. Could you show some evidence about olive skin in neolithic and pale skin in steppes?

it's the other way around

And these are Finno-Ugric people it says here that they're even admixtured with Tatars ( Volga Bulgarians )

[Rocinante]

Udmurts look less lighter and less euro than the purest Neolithic ones so far. Could you show some evidence about olive skin in neolithic and pale skin in steppes?

Seems that you don't see the videos i usually post in Genetica de españoles e hispanoamericanos, i know that they might be boring, but i promise they aren't:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqJbqqKv7dg

Minute 11:30 - 12:30

He talks about EEF, saying that they are indeed white people.

At some point of the video, he says that the yamnayas were white and blonde, i don't remember if he said if they were lighter than the EEF, but both populations brought white skin (not only the neolithic farmers) and yamnayas brought lighter features like hair and taller persons.

[Rocinante]

No need to apologise. :) Why would you need to do that? I know they come up under an Udmurt search but they are actually from Cork which is really odd that their picture appears as Udmurt.

My paternal line is M222 which is Uí Néill. M222 is pretty far down the L21 tree. Most people wouldn't just be L21 but some subclade underneath. I have done a lot of testing on my brother. It is actually from the Northern Uí Néill part of the Cenél nEógain. I've had the Big Y 700 done on him. I keep meaning to look into it more and get it uploaded to yfull.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branches_of_the_Cen%C3%A9l_nE%C3%B3gain

I don't think any Spanish come up with an Irish subclade but if they did they most likely would be descendants of the Wild Geese which would be a very interesting connection to have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese

Interesting!

I think i might be DF13, but who knows.

[Defcon2]

Seems that you don't see the videos i usually post in Genetica de españoles e hispanoamericanos, i know that they might be boring, but i promise they aren't:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqJbqqKv7dg

Minute 11:30 - 12:30

He talks about EEF, saying that they are indeed white people.

At some point of the video, he says that the yamnayas were white and blonde, i don't remember if he said if they were lighter than the EEF, but both populations brought white skin (not only the neolithic farmers) and yamnayas brought lighter features like hair and taller persons.

"The first white people, very white, were located here (Neolithic Anatolia), while in the Mesolithic (Steppe) we were still just as black". If it's just what some of us were saying here :picard2:

[Grace O'Malley]

Interesting!

I think i might be DF13, but who knows.

That's very far up and early. Even the Rathlins were DF21 and under. It would be interesting to find out because most Irish and British are under DF21. You might be on the other side of the tree but you won't know until you get further tests.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/0c/19/3d0c19e4837a1b9567ed56844aea606f.png

[Rocinante]

"The first white people, very white, were located here (Neolithic Anatolia), while in the Mesolithic (Steppe) we were still just as black". If it's just what some of us were saying here :picard2:

He didn't say steppe pastoralist were black, that is just nonsense:

The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA studies conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al. (2014) and Mathieson et al. (2015): they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European. Despite their pastoral lifestyle, there was little evidence of lactase persistence.

White skin was brought by this 2 populations, that is what i meant. Also, you win, what ever. :thumb001:

[Rocinante]

That's very far up and early. Even the Rathlins were DF21 and under. It would be interesting to find out because most Irish and British are under DF21. You might be on the other side of the tree but you won't know until you get further tests.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/0c/19/3d0c19e4837a1b9567ed56844aea606f.png

Using MorleyDNA, it seems that i'm negative in DF49, L96, DF21, L563 and L596. The only positive after the L21 is a very weird call: R1b1a2a1a2c1i~2 (R1b-PF6093), very weird shit, it might be very updated, but at least it would give me a small clue, look:

https://i.imgur.com/VLdD15b.png

https://i.imgur.com/uZbk2hp.png

https://i.imgur.com/SgOf3g9.png

[SG_Jun]

N-F2930

I am fourth generation overseas Chinese from Singapore. I have ancestry from Southern China (an area of eastern Guangdong known as Chaoshan/Teochew that is closer to Southern Fujian in terms of language and culture). My Y-DNA haplogroup results came as a surprise to be honest, fully unexpected.

[Harkonnen]

N-F2930

I am fourth generation overseas Chinese from Singapore. I have ancestry from Southern China (an area of eastern Guangdong known as Chaoshan/Teochew that is closer to Southern Fujian in terms of language and culture). My Y-DNA haplogroup results came as a surprise to be honest, fully unexpected.

N seems to have spread to South China and South East Asia only quite recently. With metal working cultures from North.

[Harkonnen]

"The results for the Yamna samples are consistent with the results that appeared in this paper (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3977302/) from last year for 63 Copper and Bronze Age samples from the Pontic-Caspian steppe. Those results showed frequencies for the light skin mutation in SLC45A2, the blue eyes mutation in OCA2/HERC2, and the light skin mutation in TYR that were lower than the frequencies found in modern-day Europeans.

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2015/03/07/phenotype-snps-from-prehistoric-europe/ "


From David Reich's book


The fusion of these highly different populations into today’s West Eurasians is vividly evident in what might be considered the classic northern European look: blue eyes, light skin, and blond hair. Analysis of ancient DNA data shows that western European hunter-gatherers around eight thousand years ago had blue eyes but dark skin and dark hair, a combination that is rare today.33 The first farmers of Europe mostly had light skin but dark hair and brown eyes—thus light skin in Europe largely owes its origins to migrating farmers.34 The earliest known example of the classic European blond hair mutation is in an Ancient North Eurasian from the Lake Baikal region of eastern Siberia from seventeen thousand years ago.35 The hundreds of millions of copies of this mutation in central and western Europe today likely derive from a massive migration into the region of people bearing Ancient North Eurasian ancestry.


So basically, Steppe people, not necessarily Yamnaya, contributed with the mutation for light hair, which was rare in Europe prior to the Bronze Age.
The farmers added light skin in the Neolithic and the WHG had the mutation for blue eyes at some point prior to the Neolithic. We know that later on from mixing with WHG, some farmers are recorded to bear light eyes too.

Unlike continental WHGs, Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers had all the light mutations though: eyes, skin, hair.

[Harkonnen]

Current level (and beyond) light pigmentation arrived in Easten Baltic with Tarands, that is Finno-Ugrians. Actually, modern Finns are darker than early Finnics.

[Rocinante]

But G2a seems interesting to me and I wonder how that would stem in Europe? Last Glacial Maximum?
I have heard Neolithic farmers were blonde with blue eyes and white skin and that the ''Indo Europeans'' were olive skinned and black hair. I certainly know that the WHG were darker in colouring.

G2a is a neolithic farmer haplogroup, no doubt about it, Otzi the Iceman was G2a, for example.

And the blondes were the indo-europeans, not the EEF, the blue eyes were the WHG and the whites the EEF, but also the indo-europeans too, this is what i know.

[Leto]

G2a is a neolithic farmer haplogroup, no doubt about it, Otzi the Iceman was G2a, for example.

It's also very strong in the Northwest Caucasus and Georgia. Joseph Stalin was G2a for example.

[Rocinante]

It's also very strong in the Northwest Caucasus and Georgia. Joseph Stalin was G2a for example.

Seems to be that G2 peeks in Sardinia and G1 peeks in the Caucasus, very curious and interesting haplo.

[SG_Jun]

N seems to have spread to South China and South East Asia only quite recently. With metal working cultures from North.

Yes indeed, the Seima-Turbino phenomenon is closely associated with the spread of Haplogroup N across Eurasia. Another piece of evidence which I feel might have been closely associated with the migration of Haplogroup N peoples (aside from N2 which split and settled in the Balkans a very long time ago) would be the spread of Pit Comb ware / Comb Ceramic pottery in Europe, also known as Jeulmun Pottery (櫛文土器 / 즐문토기) in Asia, which can be found across the Baltic states, Finland, Upper Volga, south Siberia, the Mongolian Plateau, Liaodong peninsula and the Korean peninsula with the earliest samples found at the Xinglongwa Neolithic culture (6200 BC - 5400 BC) located in modern day Inner Mongolia.

My paternal ancestors might have migrated to the Central Plains region of China around the Yellow River basin before they moved again to Southern China. Han Chinese are not indigenous to Southern China which was Sinicized over the period of thousands of years. Generally most Chinese people believe that our ancestors migrated en masse from the Central Plains to the south of China to escape raids by various nomadic peoples including the Jurchen, Khitan, Xianbei, Mongols etc. during the Tang-Song dynasty about 800 to 1400 years ago.