Opinions wanted about my K13 and G 25 results.

[Slavic Italian]

If you were to look at these results what do you consider me? This is from a conversation I had recently with Davidski…………..1) You're a mixture of various European ethnic groups, but most of them are closely related, so breaking up your ancestry into precise ethnic categories is very difficult. So you need to focus more on broader biogeographic categories and less on ethnic labels.

So based on his remarks I am nothing specific...………..just a European as far as genetics are concerned. No strong ties to one single ethnicity.






Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.21
2 Baltic 25.06
3 East_Med 14.08
4 West_Med 13.31
5 West_Asian 6.33
6 Red_Sea 1.60
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Amerindian 1.17
9 Northeast_African 1.07


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Austrian @ 8.171271
2 Hungarian @ 8.422668
3 Serbian @ 9.687841
4 West_German @ 10.225721
5 East_German @ 10.867849
6 South_Dutch @ 12.266812
7 French @ 13.033296
8 Romanian @ 13.249941
9 Croatian @ 14.585855
10 Moldavian @ 14.815685
11 North_German @ 16.023363
12 Bulgarian @ 16.558939
13 Southeast_English @ 18.051933
14 Danish @ 18.564636
15 North_Dutch @ 18.999325
16 Portuguese @ 18.999376
17 North_Italian @ 19.372858
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.376163
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.474026
20 South_Polish @ 19.508028

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% West_German @ 3.671583


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Ukrainian @ 2.029872


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Danish + Italian_Jewish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian @ 1.584465
2 Belorussian + Danish + Italian_Jewish + West_German @ 1.678087
3 Italian_Jewish + North_German + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian @ 1.755699
4 Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish + North_German + Southeast_English @ 1.781513
5 Italian_Jewish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian @ 1.798363
6 Belorussian + Italian_Jewish + North_German + Southeast_English @ 1.826204
7 Belorussian + Italian_Jewish + North_Dutch + West_German @ 1.827825
8 Italian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.834710
9 Belorussian + Danish + Italian_Jewish + South_Dutch @ 1.843425
10 Belorussian + Italian_Jewish + Orcadian + West_German @ 1.856338
11 Danish + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish + West_German @ 1.865636
12 Danish + Italian_Jewish + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.869731
13 Belorussian + Italian_Jewish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.924985
14 Italian_Jewish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian @ 1.929192
15 Belorussian + Irish + Italian_Jewish + West_German @ 1.930568
16 Estonian + Italian_Jewish + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.933770
17 Belorussian + Italian_Jewish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.937966
18 Danish + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish + Southeast_English @ 1.944116
19 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian @ 1.963607
20 Italian_Jewish + North_German + Russian_Smolensk + Southeast_English @ 1.963922

Here are some G 25 as well.

Distance: 2.8094% / 0.02809369 | ADC: 2x
100.0 French_Alsace

Target: SI_scaled
Distance: 2.5424% / 0.02542446 | ADC: 1x
81.0 French_Alsace
16.8 Croatian
2.2 Serbian

Target:SI_scaled
Distance: 2.0834% / 0.02083440 | ADC: 0.5x
50.2 French_Alsace
18.0 Croatian
11.8 German_East
8.2 Italian_Liguria
5.6 Hungarian
3.4 Spanish_Asturias
1.4 Azeri_Turkey
0.8 Yemenite_Jew
0.4 Greek_Thrace
0.2 Roma_Bilbao

Target: SI_scaled
Distance: 1.3320% / 0.01332039 | ADC: 0.25x
56.8 German_East
20.8 Spanish_Asturias
10.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley
4.4 Yemenite_Jew
4.0 Azeri_Turkey
2.0 Kaitag
1.4 Hungarian
0.2 French_Alsace

Target: SI_scaled
Distance: 1.1359% / 0.01135936
37.0 German_East
23.4 Spanish_Asturias
13.8 English_Cornwall
9.6 Samaritan
5.4 Lithuanian_PZ
4.8 Russian_Smolensk
3.4 Kaitag
1.8 Yemenite_Jew
0.6 Surui
0.2 Gupta

You're results are really interesting. Here's your population distances.

Distance to: SI_scaled
0.02809369 French_Alsace
0.03118488 French_Nord
0.03176028 Austrian
0.03267345 Swiss_German
0.03373895 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03405902 Belgian
0.03552661 Hungarian
0.03573095 German
0.03578395 Croatian
0.03812688 Slovenian
0.03878373 Serbian
0.03963038 Romanian
0.03993422 Montenegrin
0.04025609 Bosnian
0.04026295 French_Paris
0.04036860 French_Occitanie
0.04079308 French_Auvergne
0.04112913 German_East
0.04123742 Italian_Northeast
0.04195237 French_Provence
0.04306639 French_Brittany
0.04363432 Swiss_French
0.04501909 Czech
0.04550331 Welsh
0.04595578 English_Cornwall
0.04626617 Bulgarian
0.04630371 Dutch
0.04675068 English
0.04734331 Macedonian
0.04752362 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04786448 Orcadian
0.04818538 Moldavian
0.04845955 Scottish
0.04863063 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04949136 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04949605 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04976109 Spanish_Penedes
0.05042684 Italian_Veneto
0.05079690 Gagauz
0.05132683 Spanish_Girona
0.05153938 Spanish_Eivissa
0.05157977 Shetlandic
0.05212106 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.05258324 Spanish_Lleida
0.05273189 Italian_Liguria
0.05274306 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.05363688 Spanish_Cataluna
0.05365220 Spanish_Galicia
0.05366078 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.05366484 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

[Samnium]

One southern Italian grandpa/grandma, I think.

[Slavic Italian]

One southern Italian grandpa/grandma, I think.

Looks like I have ties to your country as well.

[Samnium]

Looks like I have ties to your country as well.

Honestly when I saw your results on the signature I've thought immediately about an southern italian grandpa/grandma, the Italian Greek + Iberian (some Southern Italians can score Iberian) + Balkan (it can happen as well)...

You have maybe a more mixed background but it's always interesting to see how a "strange" background can "mimick" an ancestry.

[Slavic Italian]

Honestly when I saw your results on the signature I've thought immediately about an southern italian grandpa/grandma, the Italian Greek + Iberian (some Southern Italians can score Iberian) + Balkan (it can happen as well)...

You have maybe a more mixed background but it's always interesting to see how a "strange" background can "mimick" an ancestry.

I feel that I am so mixed that I have no "true" identity as far as ethnicity is concerned. I am just a mixed European. My nickname should be EU.

[dududud]

I feel that I am so mixed that I have no "true" identity as far as ethnicity is concerned. I am just a mixed European. My nickname should be EU.

You don't have a family tree?

[Slavic Italian]

You don't have a family tree?

No, there is one small side that is Italian and most of them died off or moved away. The other side of the family the ones with knowledge have all passed away. They never spoke of these things.

[Luke35]

You're clearly not full Northwestern.

You have some obvious southern and eastern input.

I'd say Slavic Italian is an apt name.

[Luke35]

I'd like to see a 23andMe result for you, best right now at picking out one's mix, imo.

[Slavic Italian]

Northwestern European 54.7
*British & Irish 36.5
*French & German 3.7-I think this is too low.
*Scandinavian 2.2
*Finnish 1.1
Broadly NW European 11.2
Southern European 21.3
*Italian 16.5
*Spanish and Portuguese 1.0
*Broadly Southern Euro 3.3
Eastern European 13.6-They do not even attempt to identify an origin here.
Ashkenazi 0.1
Broadly Euro 6.1
Western Asian 3.7

[Luke35]

Give me a moment.

I always kinda put you in a catagory like me and Daco Celtic, we end up at a mid-point that is not really representative of our ancestry. The question for you is more difficult because of how little you know of you background, do you decend primarily from 2, 3, 4 recent ancestral populations/ethnicities? Very curious about you 23andMe, I don't remember you posting that before.

[Slavic Italian]

I always kinda put you in a catagory like me and Daco Celtic, we end up at a mid-point that is not really representative of our ancestry. The question for you is more difficult because of how little you know of you background, to you decend primarily from 2, 3, 4 recent ancestral populations/ethnicities? Very curious about you 23andMe, I don't remember you posting that before.

See now living dna gives me something like this

British 50%
Slavic 20
Italian 15
French 5

[Luke35]

Okay, I see your 23andMe now, hmmm. Lemme think about this, and reconsider your G25 results, maybe I can add something to your investigation..

[Coastal Elite]

Have you ever been plotted on a PCA? I'm guessing you would be near Austria or Hungry based on the results you posted. It's the midpoint thing, as Mr. G pointed out.

[Slavic Italian]

Have you ever been plotted on a PCA? I'm guessing you would be near Austria or Hungry based on the results you posted. It's the midpoint thing, as Mr. G pointed out.

Yes. You are right.

[Slavic Italian]

Your paternal line stems from a branch of R-M420 called R-M512. Today, the men who share your haplogroup are most common in Eastern Europe, Russia and Ukraine. The lineage is also quite common in Poland, but decreases in frequency toward the Mediterranean countries. Farther to the west, about one-third of Norwegian men and a quarter of men from the far northern British Isles carry R-M512.



You share a paternal lineage with "Mal'Ta Boy," who lived 24,000 years ago in Siberia

Buried with a variety of trinkets including an ivory crown and stone-hewn figurines, “Mal'Ta Boy” was a freckled three-year-old who lived 24,000 years ago near Lake Baikal in Siberia.

[Luke35]

I'd like to see your scaled G25 using just 3 populations from the Modern averages; English, Italian, and Hungarian. I think those 3 offer a reasonable and realistic background for you. So 2 mostly British grandparents, one Italian, one Hungarian.

[Luke35]

Hmmm, not quite right for your ancestry based on your 23andMe:

Target: SI_scaled
Distance: 1.9877% / 0.01987651 | ADC: 0.25x
45.6 Hungarian
25.8 English_Cornwall
22.2 Italian_Liguria
6.4 Italian_Jew

Target: SI_scaled
Distance: 1.9564% / 0.01956404
43.2 Hungarian
32.2 English_Cornwall
13.0 Italian_Jew
11.6 Italian_Liguria

[Luke35]

Not sure man, but I suggest to play around with using select populations, see what you can come up with.

Here I can model you as one Italian and one Polish grandparent. And almost :) 2 Engish:

Target: SI_scaled
Distance: 2.1349% / 0.02134933 | ADC: 0.25x
41.8 English_Cornwall
30.8 Italian_Abruzzo
27.2 Polish
0.2 German

[dududud]

No, there is one small side that is Italian and most of them died off or moved away. The other side of the family the ones with knowledge have all passed away. They never spoke of these things.

It's weird. A family with zero family tree. It's very sad, you don't even know your origins.

[Slavic Italian]

Not sure man, but I suggest to play around with using select populations, see what you can come up with.

Here I can model you as one Italian and one Polish grandparent. And almost :) 2 Engish:

Target: SI_scaled
Distance: 2.1349% / 0.02134933 | ADC: 0.25x
41.8 English_Cornwall
30.8 Italian_Abruzzo
27.2 Polish
0.2 German

Dick_rules_scaled,0.121791,0.137096,0.042615,0.023 256,0.032006,0.007251,-0.001175,0.001615,0.008385,0.003098,0.00065,-0.000749,-0.001041,0.004954,0.006515,-0.006497,-0.018254,-0.002154,0.000126,-0.000875,0.003619,-0.000124,0.003944,0.002169,-0.001078

[Slavic Italian]

It's weird. A family with zero family tree. It's very sad, you don't even know your origins.

Quite common here in the USA.

[Luke35]

Dick_rules_scaled,0.121791,0.137096,0.042615,0.023 256,0.032006,0.007251,-0.001175,0.001615,0.008385,0.003098,0.00065,-0.000749,-0.001041,0.004954,0.006515,-0.006497,-0.018254,-0.002154,0.000126,-0.000875,0.003619,-0.000124,0.003944,0.002169,-0.001078

Yup, I have your scaled coords from when you sent me them before, I just changed your username to SI to be consistent with your TA nick.

Anyway, the three populations of British/Italian/Polish is close enough that I think your recent ancestry might very well be that or something similar.

[Slavic Italian]

Yup, I have your scaled coords from when you sent me them before, I just changed your username to SI to be consistent with your TA nick.

Anyway, the three populations of British/Italian/Polish is close enough that I think your recent ancestry might very well be that or something similar.

I have Finno Ugric so replace Poland with Belarus or Russia and see what you get.

[Luke35]

I have Finno Ugric so replace Poland with Belarus or Russia and see what you get.

I used both Belarus and Russia along with English and Italian. I can get to 45% English using Belarus so I'm pretty satisfied with that, this is the best guess I've got for your ancestry:


Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 2.0077% / 0.02007745 | ADC: 0.25x
45.0 English_Cornwall
32.6 Italian_Abruzzo
22.4 Belarusian

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 1.9902% / 0.01990215
40.8 English_Cornwall
34.2 Italian_Abruzzo
25.0 Belarusian

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 1.9006% / 0.01900613 | ADC: 0.25x
43.2 English_Cornwall
32.4 Italian_Abruzzo
24.4 Russian_Smolensk

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 1.8856% / 0.01885632
39.4 English_Cornwall
33.8 Italian_Abruzzo
26.8 Russian_Smolensk

[Luke35]

Looks like 2 southern shifted British grandparents + 1 Baltic/Slavic and 1 Italian.

[gixajo]

No, there is one small side that is Italian and most of them died off or moved away. The other side of the family the ones with knowledge have all passed away. They never spoke of these things.

Do you know at least your 4 grandparents surnames? That could help.

[Slavic Italian]

Do you know at least your 4 grandparents surnames? That could help.

Of course but I am not sharing them. I also know there was an affair here and there and that is what changes things.

[gixajo]

Of course but I am not sharing them. I also know there was an affair here and there and that is what changes things.

ok, but can you share which countries are those 4 surnames from?

Edit: affairs change all, yes.:rolleyes:

[Slavic Italian]

ok, but can you share which countries are those 4 surnames from?

Edit: affairs change all, yes.:rolleyes:

The thing is they are all just immediate ancestors. One came from Italy. The others North West Europe. My Y Chromosome is R-M512. This tells me there was an affair. Some 1st cousins tested and they came up as 2nd and even 3rd cousins. Their matches with each other were almost double that of mine. This tells me my grandmother had an affair.

[Luke35]

The thing is they are all just immediate ancestors. One came from Italy. The others North West Europe. My Y Chromosome is R-M512. This tells me there was an affair. Some 1st cousins tested and they came up as 2nd and even 3rd cousins. Their matches with each other were almost double that of mine. This tells me my grandmother had an affair.

Very interesting stuff man. Now I suppose it could be that 2 of your NW grandparents were actually 1/2 Slavic + 1/2 NW, but that's just wild speculation on my part.

[Slavic Italian]

Very interesting stuff man. Now I suppose it could be that 2 of your NW grandparents were actually 1/2 Slavic + 1/2 NW, but that's just wild speculation on my part.

This is also why a lot of people are getting shocking results on their DNA tests bro. Mommy was a bad girl or grandma.

[Luke35]

This is also why a lot of people getting shocking results on their DNA tests bro. Mommy was a bad girl or grandma.

Yeah, with your 1st cousins coming up at unexpected distance, I'd agree that it seems you probably are representative of the above scenario my friend.

[Slavic Italian]

With your 1st cousins coming up at unexpected distance, it seems you probably are representative of the above scenario my friend.

There is no doubt. There were even rumors. My results have proved them true. My father was upset at these results. Myself I could care less. I'd rather be Slavic than 75% Italian. That would be boring. Besides, his paternal side(relatives) was anything but cool. :)

[Slavic Italian]

Yeah, with your 1st cousins coming up at unexpected distance, I'd agree that it seems you probably are representative of the above scenario my friend.

Here is where I also think these models and calcs are flawed. I have a lot of Finnish matches as well as Swedish matches on My Heritage. I also have French. These models only catch so many components of your ancestry. G25 does not capture all the details. None of these calculators do.

[Luke35]

Here is where I also think these models and calcs are flawed. I have a lot of Finnish matches as well as Swedish matches on My Heritage. I also have French. These models only catch so many components of your ancestry. G25 does not capture all the details. None of these calculators do.

Yeah, I was trying to keep it simple, limiting it to 3 populations for you, but surely, especially a little deeper into your ancestry, things are more complicated than that.

[Slavic Italian]

I used both Belarus and Russia along with English and Italian. I can get to 45% English using Belarus so I'm pretty satisfied with that, this is the best guess I've got for your ancestry:


Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 2.0077% / 0.02007745 | ADC: 0.25x
45.0 English_Cornwall
32.6 Italian_Abruzzo
22.4 Belarusian

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 1.9902% / 0.01990215
40.8 English_Cornwall
34.2 Italian_Abruzzo
25.0 Belarusian

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 1.9006% / 0.01900613 | ADC: 0.25x
43.2 English_Cornwall
32.4 Italian_Abruzzo
24.4 Russian_Smolensk

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 1.8856% / 0.01885632
39.4 English_Cornwall
33.8 Italian_Abruzzo
26.8 Russian_Smolensk

Do me a favor and replace Slavic with Finn and run a model. Thanks.

[Luke35]

Do me a favor and replace Slavic with Finn and run a model. Thanks.

The distance goes up but actually the English looks pretty good at .25x, I misread it at first..

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 2.1889% / 0.02188881 | ADC: 0.25x
43.6 English_Cornwall
36.0 Italian_Abruzzo
20.4 Finnish

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 2.1567% / 0.02156719
38.6 Italian_Abruzzo
36.4 English_Cornwall
25.0 Finnish

[Slavic Italian]

The distance goes up and the % of English goes down..

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 2.1889% / 0.02188881 | ADC: 0.25x
43.6 English_Cornwall
36.0 Italian_Abruzzo
20.4 Finnish

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 2.1567% / 0.02156719
38.6 Italian_Abruzzo
36.4 English_Cornwall
25.0 Finnish

Thanks. See that works for me too. It did not change significantly.

[Slavic Italian]

The distance goes up but actually the English looks pretty good at .25x, I misread it at first..

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 2.1889% / 0.02188881 | ADC: 0.25x
43.6 English_Cornwall
36.0 Italian_Abruzzo
20.4 Finnish

Target: Dick_rules_scaled
Distance: 2.1567% / 0.02156719
38.6 Italian_Abruzzo
36.4 English_Cornwall
25.0 Finnish

On IBD Analysis I get strong matches with Finns/Finno Ugrics.

AAB_Anglo_Saxon_NO3423 19.48398
AAB_Sintashta_RISE395 16.164902
English_Kent_HG00158 14.367849
Polish_Polish16H 13.563032
English_Kent_HG00136 12.760677
Sicilian_East_EastSicilian3H 11.8423805
German_IL550_0192 11.722059
German_IL550_0204 11.670863
English_Cornwall_HG00265 11.529468
German_GS000016892 11.427855
AAB_Ireland_EBA_Rathlin1_RM127 11.362549
Utah_USA_NA12045 11.15444104
Norwegian_NOR119 11.037497
Ingrian_GS000016897 10.868328
Croatian_GS000015871 10.8453271
English_Kent_HG00159 10.731073
Finnish_GS000016895 10.5544599
AAB_Nordic_LN_RISE98 10.396912
Ukrainian_West_UkrLv228 10.393318
Orcadian_HG00107 10.355472
Ukrainian_North_Ukraine141 10.3141515
Serbian_Bosnia_Serbian_B-H11_GSM1424666 10.2239582
AAB_Unetice_RISE150 10.212964
Ukrainian_East_UkrBel614 10.036635
Utah_German_NA12057 9.913035
Belarusian_belorus7 9.815257
Vepsa_GS000016971 9.566861
Latvian_GS000035027 9.539401
Polish_Polish13H 9.479041
Bulgarian_Bulgarian15H 9.388864
German_IL550_0391 9.289345
French_HGDP00519 9.277828
German_IL550_0133 9.0737346
Finnish_GS000018756 9.02088
Russian_North_HGDP00880 8.931932
Montenegrin_Montenegro4_GSM1424637 8.880315
German_GS000016893 8.842881
Saami_GS000035024 8.841275
Ukrainian_East_GS000035176 8.735819
Utah_Scandinavian_NA11829 8.668876
Ukrainian_East_GS000035121 8.6328089
Slovenian_Slovenian321 8.4814716
Finnish_GS000016894 8.4297409
Slovakian_Slovakia118 8.41347
Cossack_Kuban_GS000016186 8.407539
Russian_North_HGDP00888 8.385822
Russian_North_HGDP00886 8.24023
Karelian_GS000016970 8.025878