Is this guy more Northern than Samnium?

[Leto]

From Reddit. His father is Italian (a mix of North and South) and his mother is 3/4 Polish, 1/4 Syrian
https://i.redd.it/wi3f1iyyxqm41.jpg
https://i.redd.it/fiz1etz8laq41.jpg

[Synapsid]

His genetic component completely different from Samnium. Samnium lacks the excess Natufian he has.

[Daos777]

Would not look out of place in Syria. That little bit of Syrian hit his pheno hard.

[Leto]

His genetic component completely different from Samnium. Samnium lacks the excess Natufian he has.
Not completely, both are half Italian. The guy is 37.5% Polish and Poles are more Northern, less "Farmer" than Frenchmen.

[Leto]

Would not look out of place in Syria. That little bit of Syrian hit his pheno hard.
Yes, he does look somewhat Woggistani. Could fit in Turkey easily.

[Terminator98]

Would not look out of place in Syria. That little bit of Syrian hit his pheno hard.

Funny how 1/8 ancestry affected his look so much, that was literally my first thought when I opened thread.

[Synapsid]

Not completely, both are half Italian. The guy is 37.5% Polish and Poles are more Northern, less "Farmer" than Frenchmen.

But the Farmer ancestry in Europeans is different compared to Syrians. Natufians is like Pınarbaşı +Taforalt, quite different from EEF (Barcin_N+WHG) in Frenchmen. Also Syrians have lots of West Asians compnents not present in Europeans, even S. Italians (although they do have bronze age non-steppe CHG admixture)

[Ethel]

He doesn't look that much Syrian, I doubt he would be that atypical for any Southern European country.
As for your question,
genetics: yes
phenotype: no.

[Leto]

Don't forget he is half Italian, so some of the swarthyness may be from his Italian side. I bet he is 25% Sicilian or something.

[Leto]

But the Farmer ancestry in Europeans is different compared to Syrians. Natufians is like Pınarbaşı +Taforalt, quite different from EEF (Barcin_N+WHG) in Frenchmen. Also Syrians have lots of West Asians compnents not present in Europeans, even S. Italians (although they do have bronze age non-steppe CHG admixture)
The OP's Syrian is minor, only 1/8 and I assume those were Christian Syrians, not Bedouin or black-admixed Muslims. 1/8 Syrian is like 1/4 Ashkenazi, more or less.

[Daos777]

He doesn't look that much Syrian, I doubt he would be that atypical for any Southern European country.
As for your question,
genetics: yes
phenotype: no.

I’ve been to Greece and I’ve been to southern Italy too. The majority of people do not even look close to this guy. Much more euro looking. This guy is the definition of wog.

[Chaos One]

Funny how 1/8 ancestry affected his look so much, that was literally my first thought when I opened thread.

Well, my 1/8 affected me as much too. It's pure luck or unluck about it.

[Ethel]

I’ve been to Greece and I’ve been to southern Italy too. The majority of people do not even look close to this guy. Much more euro looking. This guy is the definition of wog.

I won't argue against your personal experience, but then your definition of wog differs quite a bit from mine. Apart from his eyes being unusual, I don't think the rest of his face looks foreigner, just very meddish.

[Leto]

I won't argue against your personal experience, but then your definition of wog differs quite a bit from mine. Apart from his eyes being unusual, I don't think the rest of his face looks foreigner, just very meddish.
I think people like him may exist in Italy.

[Ethel]

I think people like him may exist in Italy.

Me too, and not just Italy. His eyes vaguely remind me of Lady Gaga's.

[Jana]

Genetically he possibly is, but looks wise he looks visibly less white/European than Samnium.

[Rocinante]

Yes, he does look somewhat Woggistani. Could fit in Turkey easily.

Woggistani :lmao

[Leto]

Woggistani :lmao
Yeah, it just means from the "global South", broadly off-white xD

[Rocinante]

Yeah, it just means from the "global South", broadly off-white xD

Do iberians enter in that woggistan concept?

[Voskos]

The mong he got from the Polish side, recombined with his Arab side, and he ended up looking Central Asian.

[Leto]

Do iberians enter in that woggistan concept?
Well, there is no real "concept" behind it. Wog means swarthy, non-white or off-white (at least on this forum) and -stan is a generic ending of a dozen of non-European, largely 'brown' countries. Sounds funny to me.
Spain is a Western country, definitely not part of the "global south".

[Leto]

The mong he got from the Polish side, recombined with his Arab side, and he ended up looking Central Asian.
He has no mong, you notorious Slav hater. In fact he very well may be more Northern than you genetically! Definitely more Steppe ancestry.

[Rocinante]

Well, there is no real "concept" behind it. Wog means swarthy, non-white or off-white (at least on this forum) and -stan is a generic ending of a dozen of non-European, largely 'brown' countries. Sounds funny to me.
Spain is a Western country, definitely not part of the "global south".

xD son of a bitch what a nice word you made there.

[Leto]

xD son of a bitch what a nice word you made there.
Haha, I may have borrowed it from someone, I think. Wog has been in use on TA for over a decade.

[Voskos]

He has no mong, you notorious Slav hater. In fact he very well may be more Northern than you genetically! Definitely more Steppe ancestry.

I don't care about your biased judgements/ad hominem. It's just the truth he probably has some mong, both on Arabic and Polish side.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/343/6172/747/F3.large.jpg

[Token]

Who cares about phenotype, he is Euro.

[Leto]

I don't care about your biased judgements/ad hominem. It's just the truth he probably has some mong, both on Arabic and Polish side.

[IMG]https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/343/6172/747/F3.large.jpg
You are biased because you dislike everything more Northern than Greece (regardless of religion I must add).

[Voskos]

You are biased because you dislike everything more Northern than Greece (regardless of religion I must add).

You're the one who ranks people based on how much North Atlantic they score on K13. Just leave me out of your north/south fairytales.


(regardless of religion I must add)

Look who's talking lol. The other day you reported a fellow orthodox Greek and got him banned, and now you're insulting one, or at least trying.

[Leto]

Look who's talking lol. The other day you reported a fellow orthodox Greek and got him banned, and now you're insulting one, or at least trying.
He isn't a Christian, he said he was against Orthodoxy. And the rules of the forum are the same for all members. That guy was a lousy troll who attacked and insulted people for no reason. Who cares about his background - Greek, Russian or Mozambican.

[Voskos]

He isn't a Christian, he said he was against Orthodoxy. And the rules of the forum are the same for all members.

i don't hate slavs, this is the last time i tell you. next time you slander me of that I'll have to report you, and it's gonna be the first time I report someone in 6 years of posting here.

[Leto]

i don't hate slavs, this is the last time i tell you. next time you slander me of that I'll have to report you, and it's gonna be the first time I report someone in 6 years of posting here.
Okay, just leave and don't derail the thread defending an irrelavant troll only because he comes from the same country.

[Kaspias]

There were some full blood Syrians I have seen in IRL that looks more Euro than this guy

[Rocinante]

There were some full blood Syrians I have seen in IRL that looks more Euro than this guy

He looks pred. euro IMO.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Still whiter than me. What a shame, smh. Better luck next time.

[Ethel]

There were some full blood Syrians I have seen in IRL that looks more Euro than this guy

Pure levantines aren't something alien

[Kaspias]

Pure levantines aren't something alien

You shouldn't tell this in this forum, someone can hear you

[Ethel]

Still whiter than me. What a shame, smh. Better luck next time.

Let us pray the next one won't be whiter than you, sis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358853674220388362/588124986259013633/unknown.png

[Samnium]

Genetically he possibly is, but looks wise he looks visibly less white/European than Samnium.

Without the results impossible to say, you don't inherit exactly the same amount of your great grandparents, I'm very "mixed" in that sense as well, I have many grd grandparents that weren't from the same area. And I don't even know what my italian side is genetically.

Given all these elements, you have your answer.

Only thing that I can say is that he's definitely more Eastern, Syrian/Polish/Italian mix shift further East.


The OP's Syrian is minor, only 1/8 and I assume those were Christian Syrians, not Bedouin or black-admixed Muslims. 1/8 Syrian is like 1/4 Ashkenazi, more or less.

The most Euro admixed Levantines are Druze, Lebanese Christian, Syrians regardless if they are Muslims or Christians aren't in the same "category", but surely not Bedouin. I definitely don't think that's like being 1/4 Ashkenazim though, Ashkenazim are halfway between Druze and Spaniards/Northern Italians approximately, Syrians are further away from that.

It's quite a strong "ME" shift, by the way considering the fact that you can inherit more for one grd grandparent, I wouldn't say definitely that's minor.

Minor would be a great-great grandparent (6.25%). Too low (in general) to cause a noticeable shift.

But this is an interesting result because it shows how strong some "exotic" genes can be. Phenotype can be very misleading.

[Samnium]

If you want some indications what Syrians are genetically, I post here some pictures



https://i.redd.it/3olipxg4jxy11.png

(https://www.reddit.com/r/lebanon/comments/9xye9u/dna_distance_between_levantine_populations_see/)



https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alexander_Peltzer/publication/322855628/figure/fig1/AS:616385470291978@1523969156528/PCA-plot-generated-with-EIGENSOFT-31-32-with-representative-modern-West-Eurasian.png

(https://www.researchgate.net/figure/PCA-plot-generated-with-EIGENSOFT-31-32-with-representative-modern-West-Eurasian_fig1_322855628)

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GV-GyXBCE-w/XVykxs87B1I/AAAAAAAAIJA/eYEzvVUsDzc2DnEMDH9bRZew-KovIYFQgCLcBGAs/s1600/G25_Roopkund_scaled_1%25262.png
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wdarRHMDpcs/W97YL493cOI/AAAAAAAAAA4/CUpYbyREceAwu7ZIpYt34bzuFgR0RY7HQCLcBGAs/s1600/armeninaspca2.png

https://i.imgur.com/eRpWqtR.png


https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Levon_Yepiskoposyan/publication/264390976/figure/fig2/AS:601804035330048@1520492671056/Principal-components-analysis-A-above-and-spatial-ancestry-analysis-B-opposite-A.png

(https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Principal-components-analysis-A-above-and-spatial-ancestry-analysis-B-opposite-A_fig2_264390976)



Seems strange because sometimes they are closer to Turks, and other times not. But they are close to Southern Levantines generally speaking, see how far they are from Lebanese in the last plot. And even more from Ashkenazim.

[SharpFork]

But the Farmer ancestry in Europeans is different compared to Syrians. Natufians is like Pınarbaşı +Taforalt, quite different from EEF (Barcin_N+WHG) in Frenchmen. Also Syrians have lots of West Asians compnents not present in Europeans, even S. Italians (although they do have bronze age non-steppe CHG admixture)
How Natufian are modern Levantines really? If I try to model them as a mixture of Anatolian HG, Iranian HG and Natufian they end up being 1/4 Natufian.

[Synapsid]

How Natufian are modern Levantines really? If I try to model them as a mixture of Anatolian HG, Iranian HG and Natufian they end up being 1/4 Natufian.

Which is why I mentioned that they have west asian components. But syrians have much higher natufian than any european

[Samnium]

Which is why I mentioned that they have west asian components. But syrians have much higher natufian than any european

Yeah, and from what I've sent they are close to Jordanians, Palestinians etc. Regardless if they are Christians, Muslims or not. The only outliers seem to be Syrian Jews.

[Chris596]

Honestly he has a very strong middle eastern look, so nope, doesn't look more northern at all

[Leto]

Yeah, and from what I've sent they are close to Jordanians, Palestinians etc. Regardless if they are Christians, Muslims or not. The only outliers seem to be Syrian Jews.
I have not seen any Christian Syrian results. Lebanese and Palestinian Christians are fairly similar.
Syrian Christians should not be mixed with Egyptians, Arabians and East Africans.

[Leto]

Honestly he has a very strong middle eastern look, so nope, doesn't look more northern at all
The question isn't about looks but yes, Samnium is both lighter and less exotic.

[Leto]

Which is why I mentioned that they have west asian components. But syrians have much higher natufian than any european
Samnium is 50% Calabrian. That guy claims that his Italian father is both Northern and Southern, so if he is something like quarter Sicilian and quarter Piemontese or Lombardian or Emilian, then his Syrian eighth would be kind of counterbalanced.

[Samnium]

I have not seen any Christian Syrian results. Lebanese and Palestinian Christians are fairly similar.
Syrian Christians should not be mixed with Egyptians, Arabians and East Africans.

Honestly I don't think that there will be differences based on the plots (mainly from scholar sources) that I've sent, they don't differentiate Syrians Christians/Syrians Muslims because they are fairly similar, only outliers are Jewish people (like for all Jews pretty much, Moroccan Jews don't cluster with Moroccans etc.).

Anyway I think that kind of thread is useless because we haven't any gedmatch to make comparisons. I don't want to see threads like that anymore (speculating), I will make appropriate threads when I will receive my results from the tests that I would took but for the moment, nothing. I hope that you understand. I've seen two or three threads about that in two weeks.


Samnium is 50% Calabrian. That guy claims that his Italian father is both Northern and Southern, so if he is something like quarter Sicilian and quarter Piemontese or Lombardian or Emilian, then his Syrian eighth would be kind of counterbalanced.

No I'm 1/8 Apulian and 3/8 Calabrian from Cosenza.

[Smeagol]

Yeah, and from what I've sent they are close to Jordanians, Palestinians etc. Regardless if they are Christians, Muslims or not. The only outliers seem to be Syrian Jews.

Syrian Jews have European ancestry from a back-migration of Sephardic Jews who left Spain.

[Samnium]

Syrian Jews have European ancestry from a back-migration of Sephardic Jews who left Spain.

Interesting. That explain well their position.

[Synapsid]

I have not seen any Christian Syrian results. Lebanese and Palestinian Christians are fairly similar.
Syrian Christians should not be mixed with Egyptians, Arabians and East Africans.

Arabs originated from southern Syria. And Palis have Egyptian input, esp. Gazans but most Syrians don't. Also bediouns are Native to the levant, always have been.

[Synapsid]

Kamal900 is knowledgle on these topics.

[Samnium]

Kamal900 is knowledgle on these topics.

I hope that he will see.

[Leto]

The OP is only 1/8 Syrian, so Syrian genetics isn't really relevant here. His 87.5% is Italian and Polish.

[SharpFork]

Arabs originated from southern Syria. Also bediouns are Native to the levant, always have been.
What do you mean by this?

[Samnium]

The OP is only 1/8 Syrian, so Syrian genetics isn't really relevant here. His 87.5% is Italian and Polish.

But you can inherit much more from one great grandparent compared to another, so I don't think it's even reasonate to make threads like that without both Gedmatch results. It's not blatant how he will come, there are multiple different ancestries.

I hope that's the last thread of this kind that I will see, because I don't like to have millions of threads with my pseudo. The next I will request that the mods delete it (not against you but I'm tired of that).

[Leto]

But you can inherit much more from one great grandparent compared to another, so I don't think it's even reasonate to make threads like that without both Gedmatch results.

I hope that's the last thread of this kind that I will see, because I don't like to have millions of threads with my pseudo.
Yes, I agree it was stupid of me and apologize! You won't see it from me anymore.

[Samnium]

Yes, I agree it was stupid of me and apologize! You won't see it from me anymore.

Nice, I rather prefer to dig and find new Gedmatch results and post them here, and I think that you like that also.

At the end of the day I'm european and it's all what matters.

[Synapsid]

What do you mean by this?

Arabic evolved from a population group that spoke thamudic and Hismaic before migrating down to the Arabian peninsula and mixing with non Arabic speaking Semitic speaker in Arabia proper. But those Non Arabic speaking Semitic speaker originated from the Levant before West Asian migration and Steppe_MLBA population turnover affected the regions (Leventine Bronze was very different from Previous levantine populations). Syrians and Lebanese Christians are not lighter than Negav Bediouns because they are more 'Native' to the region, but becuase Those Christians are more representative of the West Asian migrations into the levant, while the Bedouin is is a more relic Levantine population. Ancient Egyptians are also close to those Bedouins and Peninsula Arabs

[Leto]

Nice, I rather prefer to dig and find new Gedmatch results and post them here, and I think that you like that also.

At the end of the day I'm european and it's all what matters.
That guy doesn't seem to know about Gedmatch. I have an account on Reddit (created for DNA threads specifically) and most Reddit users don't have a clue about Gedmatch. There is also a lot of idiots who would downvote for no good reason.

We can close this bullshit down if you want to.

[Samnium]

That guy doesn't seem to know about Gedmatch. I have an account on Reddit (created for DNA threads specifically) and most Reddit users don't have a clue about Gedmatch. There is also a lot of idiots who would downvote for no good reason.

We can close this bullshit down if you want to.

Yeah, honestly I prefer to find new scholar studies/samples etc. Make historical points.

[Kamal900]

Arabs originated from southern Syria. And Palis have Egyptian input, esp. Gazans but most Syrians don't. Also bediouns are Native to the levant, always have been.

Yeah, but it's mostly in Palestinian Arab Muslims that have both Egyptian and Arabian admixtures(combined together they make up around 35% of the Palestinian Muslim genome). And yes, Arabs and their language originated in the original Arabia that consisted of NW Arabia and Southern Levant, namely Jordan and Southern Syria.

[SharpFork]

Yeah, but it's mostly in Palestinian Arab Muslims that have both Egyptian and Arabian admixtures(combined together they make up around 35% of the Palestinian Muslim genome). And yes, Arabs and their language originated in the original Arabia that consisted of NW Arabia and Southern Levant, namely Jordan and Southern Syria.

When did Arabs first take over modern Saudi Arabia and Yemen?

[Kamal900]

When did Arabs first take over modern Saudi Arabia and Yemen?

During the Iron age and antiquity periods. In the 7th century AD, all of Arabia was mostly Arabized.
https://www.academia.edu/38100372/Al-Jallad._A_Manual_of_the_Historical_Grammar_of_Arab ic

[Synapsid]

During the Iron age and antiquity periods. In the 7th century AD, all of Arabia was mostly Arabized.
https://www.academia.edu/38100372/Al-Jallad._A_Manual_of_the_Historical_Grammar_of_Arab ic

The axumites mentioned lordship of Dhu Raydan (mlk dh rdyn), were they already arabized? Dhu nuwas was jewish leader in the region

[Kamal900]

The axumites mentioned lordship of Dhu Raydan (mlk dh rdyn), were they already arabized? Dhu nuwas was jewish leader in the region

I guess so, yeah. I mean, the ethio-Semites or the 7abesh people like the Tigre, Amharic and so on already have genetic admixture from Arabia since ancient times, and there had been some Arabs in modern day Ethiopia and Eritrea who got mixed and assimilated to the general Semitic populations of these two countries and so on. Before the Axsumites converted to Christians in the early 4th century AD, they worshiped the same Arabian pagan gods of Yemen.

[SharpFork]

During the Iron age and antiquity periods. In the 7th century AD, all of Arabia was mostly Arabized.
https://www.academia.edu/38100372/Al-Jallad._A_Manual_of_the_Historical_Grammar_of_Arab ic
They replaced South-Semitic speakers?


The axumites mentioned lordship of Dhu Raydan (mlk dh rdyn), were they already arabized? Dhu nuwas was jewish leader in the region
BTW I wonder how the Semitization of Axum is connected to the Arabization of Arabia, Dmt is quite ancient but I wonder if there was a push of South Semites from the North, kinda like the migration period chain migrations.

[Synapsid]

They replaced South-Semitic speakers?


BTW I wonder how the Semitization of Axum is connected to the Arabization of Arabia, Dmt is quite ancient but I wonder if there was a push of South Semites from the North, kinda like the migration period chain migrations.

Cross contact the Sabeans, and later Himyar. Ge'ez is different from Arabic. Perhaps Arabization pushed Semitic speaker across the red sea. IMO Nothern Horners were already semitic speakers before Axum.

[Synapsid]

I guess so, yeah. I mean, the ethio-Semites or the 7abesh people like the Tigre, Amharic and so on already have genetic admixture from Arabia since ancient times, and there had been some Arabs in modern day Ethiopia and Eritrea who got mixed and assimilated to the general Semitic populations of these two countries and so on. Before the Axsumites converted to Christians in the early 4th century AD, they worshiped the same Arabian pagan gods of Yemen.
عثتر‎/�������� was the most famous God in pre-christian axum. As was Marqart, Ishtar, Maher, Beher (sea god).
Attar/Ashtar, Beher, meher was the trinity of the Ethiopic pantheon

[Kamal900]

They replaced South-Semitic speakers?


BTW I wonder how the Semitization of Axum is connected to the Arabization of Arabia, Dmt is quite ancient but I wonder if there was a push of South Semites from the North, kinda like the migration period chain migrations.

The South Semitic branch is no longer a valid branch these days. Ethio-Semitic and Modern South Arabian languages are basal branches in the West Semitic branch since they don't belong to the Central Semitic language group like Arabic, North-Western Semitic languages(Aramaic, Amorite, and Canaanite languages), Old South Arabian languages, Hisaitic, Taymanitic and Dedanitic. And no, they had assimilated them by converging them with Arabic hence why Yemeni Arabic dialects have a Old South Arabia substrate and so on.

[SharpFork]

The South Semitic branch is no longer a valid branch these days. Ethio-Semitic and Modern South Arabian languages are basal branches in the West Semitic branch since they don't belong to the Central Semitic language group like Arabic, North-Western Semitic languages(Aramaic, Amorite, and Canaanite languages), Old South Arabian languages, Hisaitic, Taymanitic and Dedanitic.


And no, they had assimilated them by converging them with Arabic hence why Yemeni Arabic dialects have a Old South Arabia substrate and so on.
How does the family tree look like?

Also I'm not sure why you say no, assimilating is basically replacing, I'd be surprised if it was not followed by a demographic shift.

[Synapsid]

The South Semitic branch is no longer a valid branch these days. Ethio-Semitic and Modern South Arabian languages are basal branches in the West Semitic branch since they don't belong to the Central Semitic language group like Arabic, North-Western Semitic languages(Aramaic, Amorite, and Canaanite languages), Old South Arabian languages, Hisaitic, Taymanitic and Dedanitic. And no, they had assimilated them by converging them with Arabic hence why Yemeni Arabic dialects have a Old South Arabia substrate and so on.

Arabic is closer to Hisaitic than Dedanitic Right? Lihyans were the enemies of the Nabatians

[Token]

Yeah, but it's mostly in Palestinian Arab Muslims that have both Egyptian and Arabian admixtures(combined together they make up around 35% of the Palestinian Muslim genome). And yes, Arabs and their language originated in the original Arabia that consisted of NW Arabia and Southern Levant, namely Jordan and Southern Syria.
Who do you think brought Steppe_MLBA into Late Bronze Age Levant? Most people on Anthrogenica believe it was the Mitanni.

[Kamal900]

Who do you think brought Steppe_MLBA into Late Bronze Age Levant? Most people on Anthrogenica believe it was the Mitanni.

In my opinion, I think it had been a continuous movement of peoples from the steppes to the Levant and so on. I mean, horses were domesticated by the PIE peoples of the Eurasian steppes, and they were brought to the middle east after the Sumerian civilization at the end of the 3rd millennium BC. Back then, people used asses for transportation. It's very likely that they were Aryans or Indo-Iranic peoples that genetically contributed to the overall Levantine genepool. Egyptians, both modern and ancient, don't have such ancestry.

[Token]

In my opinion, I think it had been a continuous movement of peoples from the steppes to the Levant and so on. I mean, horses were domesticated by the PIE peoples of the Eurasian steppes, and they were brought to the middle east after the Sumerian civilization at the end of the 3rd millennium BC. Back then, people used asses for transportation. It's very likely that they were Aryans or Indo-Iranic peoples that genetically contributed to the overall Levantine genepool. Egyptians, both modern and ancient, don't have such ancestry.

The problem is that it only appears after 1400BC and it is absent in earlier Bronze age samples. Interestingly the Canaanite chariot was much heavier than the Egyptian chariot and very similar to those used by the Mitanni. The weird thing is that it appears together with R1b-M269, which is not a typical Iranic haplogroup, but it was found in a Hurrian-speaking site, so maybe the same geneflow from the steppes that affected northern Mesopotamia and surrounds also affected Israelites. By the way, didn't the Hyksos have a horse chariot culture?

[Token]

From the Crusader paper, on the dating of the steppe admixture:

We analyzed admixture LD in the Lebanese in order to date the time when admixture occurred in their history. We found two signals; the first admixture can be detected with overlapping dates in both Lebanese Christians (850–150 BCE, Z = 6.95) and Lebanese Muslims (900 BCE–500 CE, Z = 3.02) and is consistent with finding this admixture in our ancient Roman period samples 240–400 calCE.

[Kamal900]

The problem is that it only appears after 1400BC and it is absent in earlier Bronze age samples. Interestingly the Canaanite chariot was much heavier than the Egyptian chariot and very similar to those used by the Mitanni. The weird thing is that it appears together with R1b-M269, which is not a typical Iranic haplogroup, but it was found in a Hurrian-speaking site, so maybe the same geneflow from the steppes that affected northern Mesopotamia and surrounds also affected Israelites. By the way, didn't the Hyksos have a horse chariot culture?

The Hyksos were an Amorite and Canaanite Semitic peoples who invaded Egypt during the bronze age period which is interesting since their names are both Canaanite and Amorite, though Canaanites had been living in Egypt before the Hyksos rule of Egypt, and some Egyptian pharaohs had been Semites like Khendjer which if you were a Semite know what it means. His name is an Egyptianized name for a Semitic name for boar or pig. It's Khanzeer in Arabic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khendjer

Pretty much all of the Egyptian Pharoahs of the 14th dynasty were Semites as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Dynasty_of_Egypt

The Mintannis were a people who were mostly Hurrian speakers but ruled by Indo-Aryan ruling elite.

[Duffmannn]

Very weird look.

[Leto]

Very weird look.
Why the hell did you bump this shit? We agreed that it should be closed. I'll have to message Loki.