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Kaspias
04-03-2020, 10:46 PM
Process


A general view:

https://i.ibb.co/7gMfsbZ/1.png

Model:


Greek:Greek_Central_Anatolia,0.110029,0.1442053,-0.037209,-0.0592167,-0.0133357,-0.0200803,0.0031333,-0.0029997,-0.0196343,0.0115417,0.0053587,0.0049457,-0.006888,0.0050007,-0.0110387,0.001061,0.0096483,0.0024913,0.0044833,-0.0026263,0.002454,0.0046577,-0.0002877,-0.0003617,-0.0007187
Greek:Greek_Izmir,0.1146199,0.1443068,-0.0024135,-0.0345287,0.0149874,-0.0126059,0.0025145,-0.0015,-0.0022907,0.0150346,0.0018999,0.0031323,-0.003434,0.0018576,-0.0129749,0.0001989,0.0107827,-0.0001141,0.0059203,-0.0030515,-0.0060393,0.0019289,0.0002095,0.0023496,-0.0030056
Greek:Greek_Kos,0.1076261,0.1464618,-0.0220407,-0.0538692,0.0041031,-0.018252,0.0008617,-0.0036921,-0.0059994,0.0167861,0.0026524,0.0031472,-0.0039148,0.0009634,-0.0106012,0.0029906,0.0100107,0.0009432,0.0037151,-0.0036407,-0.0038128,0.0016762,-0.0001778,-0.0014059,-0.0021157
Greek:Greek_Trabzon,0.1088149,0.1395337,-0.0541922,-0.0612731,-0.0251739,-0.0177374,0.0072852,-0.0047076,-0.03798,-0.003517,0.0029556,0.0060996,-0.0143902,0.0076518,-0.0083876,-0.0124236,0.0065843,-0.0011655,-0.0010433,0.0023638,0.0040679,0.0013974,-0.0024403,-0.0025666,-0.0013412
Greek:Lebanese_Christian,0.0881496,0.1457849,-0.0488581,-0.0788479,-0.0128912,-0.03074,-0.0004961,-0.0042818,0.0051812,0.0102254,0.0066579,-0.0045293,0.0103899,0,-0.0103147,0.0084709,-0.0021007,0.0017877,0.0025419,-0.0001251,0.0007627,-0.0003022,-0.0014104,0.0023564,-0.0012108
Greek:Greek_Central_Anatolia,0.110029,0.1442053,-0.037209,-0.0592167,-0.0133357,-0.0200803,0.0031333,-0.0029997,-0.0196343,0.0115417,0.0053587,0.0049457,-0.006888,0.0050007,-0.0110387,0.001061,0.0096483,0.0024913,0.0044833,-0.0026263,0.002454,0.0046577,-0.0002877,-0.0003617,-0.0007187
Greek:IND_Roopkund_B_o:I6935,0.108132,0.144205,-0.044123,-0.061047,-0.008309,-0.0251,-0.000705,-0.007154,-0.018816,0.012392,0.011367,0.00015,-0.004608,0.004954,-0.011672,-0.005038,0.007041,0.003801,0.005656,-0.01088,-0.005116,0.000618,0.001849,0.001807,0.006227
Armenian:Armenian,0.1028676,0.1379851,-0.0581239,-0.0608451,-0.0286976,-0.0158969,0.0046413,-0.0057114,-0.0304485,-0.0043964,0.0012991,-0.0002249,-0.003029,0.0024773,-0.0046145,-0.0014582,0.0004075,0.0008232,0.0025769,-0.0027984,0.0001561,0.0024885,-0.0022492,-0.0021838,-1.51e-05
Armenian:Armenian_Hemsheni,0.1073187,0.1373866,-0.0583459,-0.0603549,-0.0348194,-0.0153391,0.007151,-0.0074173,-0.0460763,-0.0057274,0.0027377,0.0070223,-0.0124449,0.0009631,-0.0083759,-0.0077471,0.0090896,-0.0002171,-0.0021367,0.0045914,0.0057397,0.0038686,-0.0030461,-0.0063346,0.0007356
Iranian:Iranian_Bandari,0.0563425,0.076165,-0.0876805,0.0053833,-0.058062,0.014456,0.0008617,-0.0017307,-0.0229067,-0.0190437,0.0020568,-0.0005495,0.0047325,-0.003303,0.0110612,0.0195127,-0.0060847,0.0058908,0.004504,-0.0171958,0.0007485,-0.0107577,0.0024855,-0.009439,0.0058875
Iranian:Iranian_Fars,0.0885141,0.0956389,-0.0638664,-0.024092,-0.0460899,0.0007546,0.0044097,-0.0052124,-0.0285852,-0.0148255,0.0007832,-0.0010579,0.0047396,-0.00255,0.0045506,0.0118005,-0.0054146,0.0015202,0.0019668,-0.008938,-0.0004036,-0.0033604,0.0012905,-0.0044371,0.0040645
Iranian:Iranian_Lor,0.0878713,0.1066306,-0.0673914,-0.035207,-0.04647,-0.0066655,0.0049585,-0.0040846,-0.0278356,-0.0126473,0.00354,-0.0009141,0.0036273,-0.0007707,0.0054153,0.0096127,-0.0039114,0.0041173,0.0059958,-0.0108927,-0.0014599,-0.005008,-0.0020705,-0.0059406,0.005748
Iranian:Iranian_Mazandarani,0.0899202,0.1019592,-0.078969,-0.0211888,-0.0587494,0.0059124,0.0076142,-0.0050536,-0.0413752,-0.0212669,-0.001364,-0.0018884,-7.42e-05,0.0011561,0.0055918,0.0107134,-0.0063759,0.0032811,0.0041982,-0.0140192,-0.0009108,-0.0076911,-0.001553,-0.0053742,0.0050414
Iranian:Iranian_Seyyed,0.0813834,0.0918039,-0.0670521,-0.0250971,-0.0456393,-0.001255,0.0037131,-0.0039691,-0.0256882,-0.0161279,0.0009419,-0.0049007,0.007106,-0.0033718,0.005836,0.0132854,-0.0052543,0.0026733,0.0015334,-0.0073411,0.0014723,-0.0024483,0.0010722,-0.0061093,0.0049216
Iranian:Iranian_Zoroastrian,0.0916275,0.1077846,-0.0632191,-0.0225219,-0.045365,0.0040439,0.0018586,-0.005318,-0.028373,-0.0168403,-0.0002509,0.000361,0.0043652,-0.0049418,0.0071253,0.0135542,-0.0035262,0.002885,0.0017313,-0.0087712,-0.0032216,-0.0037657,0.0006777,-0.003489,0.0053669
Georgian:Georgian_Imer,0.108132,0.1332374,-0.0619988,-0.0459952,-0.0383456,-0.0089246,0.0113746,-0.0056768,-0.0639748,-0.0175312,-0.0004546,0.0130384,-0.0251532,0.0072388,0.001873,-0.0238662,0.0070668,-0.0044088,-0.0095026,0.0153074,0.0115046,0.0013602,2.46e-05,-0.0070852,-0.0017964
Georgian:Georgian_Laz,0.1085872,0.1368936,-0.05423,-0.0564604,-0.0306518,-0.0085342,0.0089304,-0.0047078,-0.0495356,-0.0129754,0.0028904,0.009981,-0.017988,0.0041012,-0.0040446,-0.0167592,0.0126994,-0.003446,-0.0029916,0.010455,0.0063636,0.0020278,-0.0013802,-0.0086758,-0.0011016
KAZ_Turk,0.0774,-0.0873355,0.0254555,0.0150195,-0.025543,0.00251,0.0048175,0.0077305,-0.0172825,-0.009385,-0.019568,-0.0029225,-0.0030475,-0.010735,0.0007465,0.0057675,-0.00013,0.001457,0.003331,0.000438,-0.005116,0.0059355,-0.005608,-0.0006025,0.002874


But there is a problem: Iranian_Fars(which is only Iranic population Anatolian Turks got) already includes some degree of Turkic admixture inside, so I'm going to subtract it, then will model again, and make process according to last model. See modeling of Farsi by using other Iranian populations:

https://i.ibb.co/RjgrVL7/2.png

And the final pre-model:

https://i.ibb.co/PW65vBd/3.png

An example of the process, how I advanced:

https://i.ibb.co/09cz7gz/4.png

Output



*Early samples should represent pure Turkic admixture, and late should represent the Turkic ancestor when set foot on Anatolia. Besides, I couldn't find Iranic admixture on Turkish_North, and didn't intend to create a late admixture on Turkish_Azeri, so these two samples only have early outputs.

Early

Turkic_Anatolia-avg



Distance to: Turkic_Anatolia-avg
0.02433444 KAZ_Turk
0.03002931 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.04715441 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.04756388 KAZ_Kipchak
0.04843847 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.05515443 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.06404769 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.06791723 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.07512944 RUS_Altai_IA
0.07710000 KAZ_Karluk
0.07859937 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.07989023 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.08021096 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.08144487 KAZ_Kimak
0.08220113 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.08374250 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.08444178 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.08774574 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.09360324 KAZ_Karakhanid
0.09384779 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.09616896 MDA_Cimmerian
0.10033078 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.11044700 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.11346008 RUS_Karasuk
0.11874413 KAZ_Nomad_MA
0.12099288 KAZ_Wusun
0.12950276 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA
0.13160643 RUS_Tagar
0.13611479 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o
0.13662887 KGZ_Turk
0.13978600 RUS_Yana_UP
0.14137196 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.14478339 ITA_Collegno_MA_o2
0.14719421 KAZ_Pazyryk_IA
0.14730559 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_MLBA
0.14803115 RUS_Mezhovskaya
0.14858591 KAZ_Kangju
0.15037779 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.15166619 KAZ_Kairan_MLBA_o
0.15262362 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
0.15552629 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
0.15620990 KAZ_Turk_o
0.15654293 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.15768427 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
0.15822222 PAK_Singoor_MA
0.15845174 Anatolia_IA
0.15881217 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.15952769 RUS_Okunevo_BA
0.16038415 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.16124537 KAZ_Georgievsky2_LBA



Distance to: Turkic_Anatolia-avg
0.04273549 Uzbek
0.04914284 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.05588636 Turkmen
0.05961989 Bashkir
0.07630121 Nogai
0.07698987 Tatar_Siberian
0.07764431 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.08247622 Uygur
0.08305845 Tatar_Lipka
0.08693600 Hazara
0.10304127 Karakalpak
0.11933571 Tajik
0.12017442 Besermyan
0.12165721 Tatar_Kazan
0.12254521 Udmurt
0.12393216 Yukagir_Forest
0.13232874 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.13557593 Chuvash
0.13994919 Kazakh
0.14324760 Burusho
0.14369866 Tubalar
0.14783354 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.14856350 Mari
0.14878538 Tajik_Shugnan
0.14944896 Maori
0.14987156 Turkish_South
0.14991349 Saami
0.15152948 Tatar_Mishar
0.15253658 Tajik_Rushan
0.15281018 Kho_Singanali
0.15386138 Tlingit
0.15721175 Turkish_Balikesir
0.15774823 Turkish_Southwest
0.15883977 Turkish_North
0.15948188 Komi
0.16065377 Turkish_Aydin
0.16185382 Shor_Mountain
0.16200585 Turkish_Northwest
0.16467548 Shor
0.16588157 Shor_Khakassia
0.16681870 Pashtun
0.16939123 Uthmankhel
0.17017345 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.17023788 Jatt_Pathak
0.17102931 Tarkalani
0.17197174 Yusufzai
0.17297330 Ror
0.17355310 Kashmiri_Pandit
0.17385515 Kohistani
0.17650257 Mansi

Turkic_Turkish-Azeri


Distance to: Turkic_Turkish-Azeri
0.13150216 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.14114539 KAZ_Turk
0.14144325 KAZ_Karluk
0.14642877 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.14729823 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.14931004 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.15098290 KAZ_Kimak
0.15211906 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.15339777 KAZ_Kipchak
0.15441849 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.15578466 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.15641929 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.15826436 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.15895474 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.16020836 KAZ_Karakhanid
0.16395714 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.16539430 RUS_Altai_IA
0.16854690 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.16867254 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.16895651 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.17143385 MDA_Cimmerian
0.17249808 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.17643109 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.17925651 KAZ_Nomad_MA
0.18576495 RUS_Karasuk
0.18897187 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o
0.19060649 RUS_Tagar
0.19096957 KAZ_Wusun
0.19580200 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA
0.19658689 KAZ_Pazyryk_IA
0.19820281 ITA_Collegno_MA_o2
0.19825173 KGZ_Turk
0.20123071 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.20286722 RUS_Yana_UP
0.20295991 RUS_Baikal_N
0.20382175 KAZ_Kairan_MLBA_o
0.20726993 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.21025869 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
0.21180852 RUS_Mezhovskaya
0.21185416 RUS_Okunevo_BA
0.21251699 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_MLBA
0.21282544 KAZ_Kangju
0.21294116 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
0.21351455 Anatolia_IA
0.21802689 Sarmatian_KAZ
0.21846235 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
0.21850120 HUN_Prescythian_IA
0.21967172 KAZ_Kanai_MBA
0.22026052 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.22052111 RUS_Priobrazhenka_LBA



Distance to: Turkic_Turkish-Azeri
0.14494929 Uzbek
0.14949814 Bashkir
0.15130806 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.15346220 Turkmen
0.15432276 Tatar_Lipka
0.15455763 Nogai
0.15606571 Tatar_Siberian
0.15829686 Hazara
0.16016190 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.16490511 Uygur
0.16865565 Karakalpak
0.18208362 Yukagir_Forest
0.18277846 Besermyan
0.18660446 Tatar_Kazan
0.18733879 Udmurt
0.18858108 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.19001181 Tajik
0.19201229 Tubalar
0.19297415 Kazakh
0.19387794 Chuvash
0.19869225 Tlingit
0.20086225 Mari
0.20309860 Saami
0.20311349 Tatar_Mishar
0.20360629 Shor_Mountain
0.20656717 Shor_Khakassia
0.20702843 Shor
0.20994983 Burusho
0.21137612 Komi
0.21215899 Turkish_Balikesir
0.21223257 Tajik_Shugnan
0.21278302 Turkish_South
0.21292552 Maori
0.21312855 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.21392890 Turkish_North
0.21438396 Tajik_Rushan
0.21739231 Kho_Singanali
0.21748493 Turkish_Aydin
0.21825705 Khakass
0.22081014 Kirghiz
0.22149654 Turkish_Southwest
0.22165144 Turkish_Northwest
0.22409296 Greenlander_West
0.22560278 Pashtun
0.22735565 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.22768110 Mansi
0.22840744 Uthmankhel
0.23009581 Ror
0.23032195 Jatt_Pathak
0.23154479 Khanty

Late

Late_Anatolia-avg


Distance to: Late_Anatolia-avg
0.01788239 Turkmen
0.02372710 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.07302521 Tajik
0.07397795 Tatar_Lipka
0.07493341 Uzbek
0.09935521 Turkish_South
0.10051580 Bashkir
0.10489631 Tatar_Kazan
0.10562999 Tajik_Shugnan
0.10674782 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.10802896 Turkish_Southwest
0.10908523 Tajik_Rushan
0.10910351 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10970475 Turkish_North
0.11189355 Turkish_Aydin
0.11297542 Turkish_Northwest
0.11451223 Besermyan
0.11585152 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.11813040 Kho_Singanali
0.12117380 Burusho
0.12213436 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.12268099 Udmurt
0.12412935 Uygur
0.12525098 Tatar_Siberian
0.12634855 Nogai
0.12764409 Hazara
0.13039301 Tatar_Mishar
0.13053211 Pashtun
0.13055266 Uthmankhel
0.13176171 Tarkalani
0.13357813 Abazin
0.13412032 Chuvash
0.13454918 Yusufzai
0.13505421 Roma_Balkans
0.13714562 Kabardin
0.13724221 Turkish_Central
0.13834829 Jatt_Pathak
0.13859596 Karachay
0.13903568 Kumyk
0.13932697 Roma_Granada
0.13970875 Cherkes
0.14098558 Ror
0.14122130 Balkar
0.14128282 Roma_Bilbao
0.14130386 Circassian
0.14258957 Kalash
0.14300585 Parsi_Pakistan
0.14348747 Kamboj
0.14351704 Parsi_India
0.14360831 Roma_Porto


Distance to: Late_Anatolia-avg
0.04580389 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.06243175 KAZ_Turk
0.07165718 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.07303896 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.07518098 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.07800678 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.08089415 MDA_Cimmerian
0.08525362 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.08697801 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.08765518 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.08807694 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.08995851 KAZ_Wusun
0.09093816 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.09158713 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.09588072 KAZ_Kipchak
0.10967702 Anatolia_IA
0.11002364 ITA_Collegno_MA_o2
0.11069588 KAZ_Kangju
0.11312532 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.11441877 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.11510844 RUS_Karasuk
0.11524556 RUS_Altai_IA
0.11606832 KAZ_Turk_o
0.11825513 RUS_Tagar
0.11952274 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA
0.12011970 PAK_Singoor_MA
0.12078533 KAZ_Karluk
0.12234841 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.12248492 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.12289051 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.12320012 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.12458857 KAZ_Kimak
0.12484100 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.12521224 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.12557267 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
0.12627319 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.12642457 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
0.12825569 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
0.12851734 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.12913925 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_MLBA
0.13014354 KAZ_Georgievsky2_LBA
0.13209064 Sarmatian_KAZ
0.13590700 RUS_Mezhovskaya
0.13713050 Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka
0.13769891 PAK_Loebanr_IA_o
0.14115384 KAZ_Karakhanid
0.14149436 RUS_Kostenki14
0.14321259 Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus
0.14411415 RUS_Yana_UP
0.14423034 KAZ_Kairan_MLBA_o




How well do Anatolian Turks preserved their conqueror genes?


https://i.ibb.co/tcCZpj5/5.png


Coordinates


Turkic_Anatolia-avg,0.078696873,-0.083963831,0.024335737,0.006566527,-0.036170504,-0.002526961,0.009473932,0.007261605,-0.009136461,-0.012439212,-0.014328067,-0.001494711,0.001948896,-0.006808966,0.002674388,0.008160479,0.001206177,-6.72318E-05,-0.003722421,0.003261193,-0.012075227,0.000661755,-0.007766628,0.005433171,-0.000593954
Turkic_Turkish-Azeri,0.0713486,-0.083947112,0.042142885,-0.00515416,-0.046928704,0.01060666,0.001849345,-0.000775227,0.008606483,-0.011680599,-0.044002778,-0.009734565,0.015561908,0.006300414,0.014766412,-0.061832379,-0.097301497,0.036925075,0.03254361,-0.005059592,-0.002482569,0.015239457,-0.019071121,-0.000725265,0.000880901
Late_Anatolia-avg,0.079936686,-0.037654418,0.001888065,-0.001852593,-0.037983445,-0.003021675,0.007733236,0.003736728,-0.01413558,-0.013454881,-0.009549429,-0.002341749,0.002959256,-0.006527173,0.004846065,0.010117502,0.002682072,-0.00032707,-0.003517524,0.002294172,-0.008159596,-0.001806006,-0.005638497,0.003359133,-0.000312192



See also:

In search of the ancestors: Balkan Turks (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?315168-In-search-of-the-ancestors-Balkan-Turks)
A closer look to Huns (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313596-A-closer-look-to-Huns)

Kaspias
04-04-2020, 04:18 PM
Distance to: Northwest_Early
0.04795382 Uzbek
0.05564879 Bashkir
0.05990330 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.06528420 Turkmen
0.07256727 Tatar_Siberian
0.07386820 Nogai
0.07969798 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.08279534 Uygur
0.08351740 Tatar_Lipka
0.08883672 Hazara
0.10076826 Karakalpak
0.11795752 Yukagir_Forest
0.11986909 Besermyan
0.12138616 Udmurt
0.12200457 Tatar_Kazan
0.12556436 Tajik
0.12828768 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.13596929 Chuvash
0.13698368 Kazakh
0.13939607 Tubalar
0.14555964 Saami
0.14624952 Tlingit
0.14829901 Burusho
0.14889905 Mari
0.14938149 Maori



Distance to: North_Early
0.04767785 Uzbek
0.05823021 Bashkir
0.06157718 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.06743382 Turkmen
0.07432520 Tatar_Siberian
0.07558762 Nogai
0.07699493 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.08297846 Uygur
0.08534604 Hazara
0.08675345 Tatar_Lipka
0.10124576 Karakalpak
0.12209987 Besermyan
0.12325417 Yukagir_Forest
0.12420348 Udmurt
0.12630162 Tatar_Kazan
0.12634097 Tajik
0.12781203 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.13680872 Kazakh
0.13757661 Chuvash
0.13800101 Tubalar
0.14610508 Burusho
0.14929452 Mari
0.15220085 Saami
0.15323984 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.15368764 Tlingit



Distance to: South_Early
0.04901144 Uzbek
0.05899238 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.06455821 Bashkir
0.06645402 Turkmen
0.07375210 Nogai
0.07675802 Tatar_Siberian
0.07811485 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.08117398 Uygur
0.08585158 Hazara
0.09602430 Tatar_Lipka
0.09884111 Karakalpak
0.12390187 Yukagir_Forest
0.12914494 Tajik
0.12914782 Besermyan
0.12999293 Udmurt
0.13104277 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.13173641 Tatar_Kazan
0.13502533 Kazakh
0.13961247 Tubalar
0.14236235 Chuvash
0.15146606 Burusho
0.15184685 Mari
0.15495062 Maori
0.15653711 Turkish_South
0.15674481 Saami



Distance to: Southwest_Early
0.04788151 Uzbek
0.05952096 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.06434003 Bashkir
0.06702313 Turkmen
0.07397234 Nogai
0.07577272 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.07758419 Tatar_Siberian
0.07984119 Uygur
0.08558502 Hazara
0.09376074 Tatar_Lipka
0.09895033 Karakalpak
0.12177065 Yukagir_Forest
0.12868563 Besermyan
0.12875963 Tajik
0.12982350 Udmurt
0.12984009 Tatar_Kazan
0.13246005 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.13489219 Kazakh
0.14091173 Tubalar
0.14250012 Chuvash
0.14731747 Maori
0.14753973 Burusho
0.15349629 Mari
0.15473728 Tlingit
0.15491039 Saami



Distance to: Central_Early
0.04771789 Uzbek
0.05964517 Bashkir
0.06012871 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.06651664 Turkmen
0.07335777 Nogai
0.07423779 Tatar_Siberian
0.07879238 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.08175236 Uygur
0.08546850 Hazara
0.08689242 Tatar_Lipka
0.09958576 Karakalpak
0.12238643 Yukagir_Forest
0.12320528 Besermyan
0.12559986 Udmurt
0.12621852 Tatar_Kazan
0.12859885 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.12876177 Tajik
0.13631925 Kazakh
0.13728819 Chuvash
0.13937476 Tubalar
0.14393755 Maori
0.14753407 Mari
0.15033872 Saami
0.15111420 Tlingit
0.15192851 Burusho

Kyp
04-04-2020, 04:47 PM
Azerbaijanis should be more closer to Central Turkey on average in terms of turkic input(but Im not aware of the g25 samples.)

Also for Northwest there should be a different component added I think. They seem to have some additional European admixture (possible Balkan related)

Kaspias
04-04-2020, 05:02 PM
Also for Northwest there should be a different component added I think. They seem to have some additional European admixture (possible Balkan related)

Greek is not only Central Anatolian Greek. It includes 8 component: Izmir, Eastern Thrace, Kos, Crete, Central Anatolia, Lebanese Christian, Roopkund_B_o, Trabzon

xripkan
04-04-2020, 06:07 PM
Can you post the coordinates of Turki admixture for each group?

Kaspias
04-04-2020, 06:26 PM
Can you post the coordinates of Turki admixture for each group?

Here:


Central_Early,0.070822031,-0.088446993,0.028685158,0.003703005,-0.030120882,-0.003076787,0.002870446,0.008137955,-0.005371865,-0.017757553,-0.017723696,0.001679532,0.005210263,-0.009794915,0.000173024,0.00100399,-0.014949924,0.000609601,-0.003337864,0.005575975,-0.007087103,0.004938906,-0.007267827,0.002969592,-0.002144738
Southwest_Early,0.075930815,-0.09094277,0.023933029,0.008200425,-0.03432273,-0.003518106,0.010051643,0.008701265,-0.008033468,-0.009273558,-0.011264534,-0.004472999,-0.000908852,-0.00848124,0.001146409,0.016064651,0.01635149,-0.001589896,-0.005537242,0.006528117,-0.012860531,-0.010793634,-0.009958868,0.004563452,-0.005008994
South_Early,0.076345948,-0.090422208,0.027346761,0.000666058,-0.038640756,-0.003364171,0.014553254,0.007227755,-0.011235434,-0.010262502,-0.012433288,-0.005161571,0.000917986,-0.013852334,0.008709452,0.012038542,0.008347261,0. 000800011,-0.005448082,0.005721918,-0.010548228,0.003482083,-0.0134083,0.014261516,0.008887749
North_Early,0.087538292,-0.090750425,0.02674054,0.012399746,-0.041219367,0.002956387,0.012777631,0.008633758,-0.008424058,-0.010307937,-0.018565217,0.002991349,0.000729011,-0.000112001,-0.004417733,0.003594176,-0.010781532,0.002294381,0.001251412,-0.006787498,-0.019028271,0.006833469,-0.005785018,0.003338679,-0.008668971
Northwest_Early,0.081735464,-0.088092257,0.029601018,0.01382979,-0.034653235,-0.006701417,0.007584718,0.005281658,-0.009742194,-0.014485009,-0.014041675,-0.002782088,0.003534562,-0.001782184,0.008260651,0.00739094,0.009264867,-0.00312986,-0.006806194,0.007816671,-0.012698902,-0.000654887,-0.00313507,0.003188025,0.003932885
Azeri_Early,0.0713486,-0.083947112,0.042142885,-0.00515416,-0.046928704,0.01060666,0.001849345,-0.000775227,0.008606483,-0.011680599,-0.044002778,-0.009734565,0.015561908,0.006300414,0.014766412,-0.061832379,-0.097301497,0.036925075,0.03254361,-0.005059592,-0.002482569,0.015239457,-0.019071121,-0.000725265,0.000880901

xripkan
04-04-2020, 06:33 PM
Quite similar to Turkic admixture of Balkan Turks.

Thracian
04-04-2020, 07:29 PM
Here:


Central_Early,0.070822031,-0.088446993,0.028685158,0.003703005,-0.030120882,-0.003076787,0.002870446,0.008137955,-0.005371865,-0.017757553,-0.017723696,0.001679532,0.005210263,-0.009794915,0.000173024,0.00100399,-0.014949924,0.000609601,-0.003337864,0.005575975,-0.007087103,0.004938906,-0.007267827,0.002969592,-0.002144738
Southwest_Early,0.075930815,-0.09094277,0.023933029,0.008200425,-0.03432273,-0.003518106,0.010051643,0.008701265,-0.008033468,-0.009273558,-0.011264534,-0.004472999,-0.000908852,-0.00848124,0.001146409,0.016064651,0.01635149,-0.001589896,-0.005537242,0.006528117,-0.012860531,-0.010793634,-0.009958868,0.004563452,-0.005008994
South_Early,0.076345948,-0.090422208,0.027346761,0.000666058,-0.038640756,-0.003364171,0.014553254,0.007227755,-0.011235434,-0.010262502,-0.012433288,-0.005161571,0.000917986,-0.013852334,0.008709452,0.012038542,0.008347261,0. 000800011,-0.005448082,0.005721918,-0.010548228,0.003482083,-0.0134083,0.014261516,0.008887749
North_Early,0.087538292,-0.090750425,0.02674054,0.012399746,-0.041219367,0.002956387,0.012777631,0.008633758,-0.008424058,-0.010307937,-0.018565217,0.002991349,0.000729011,-0.000112001,-0.004417733,0.003594176,-0.010781532,0.002294381,0.001251412,-0.006787498,-0.019028271,0.006833469,-0.005785018,0.003338679,-0.008668971
Northwest_Early,0.081735464,-0.088092257,0.029601018,0.01382979,-0.034653235,-0.006701417,0.007584718,0.005281658,-0.009742194,-0.014485009,-0.014041675,-0.002782088,0.003534562,-0.001782184,0.008260651,0.00739094,0.009264867,-0.00312986,-0.006806194,0.007816671,-0.012698902,-0.000654887,-0.00313507,0.003188025,0.003932885
Azeri_Early,0.0713486,-0.083947112,0.042142885,-0.00515416,-0.046928704,0.01060666,0.001849345,-0.000775227,0.008606483,-0.011680599,-0.044002778,-0.009734565,0.015561908,0.006300414,0.014766412,-0.061832379,-0.097301497,0.036925075,0.03254361,-0.005059592,-0.002482569,0.015239457,-0.019071121,-0.000725265,0.000880901

It seems early Turkic populations should be similar to Uzbeks, at least all of Anatolian samples and also Varna and Kardzhali are closer to Uzbeks -but distances are higher.

SharpFork
04-04-2020, 07:38 PM
I find interesting that Central Turkey is the least Turkic despite being the first to be removed from Byzantine control in a permanent fashion.

Halgurd
04-04-2020, 07:43 PM
I find interesting that Central Turkey is the least Turkic despite being the first to be removed from Byzantine control in a permanent fashion.

Possibly a result of combination of Kurdish/Armenian/Greek influences. There's Kurdish tribes in central anatolia till today but Greeks/Armenians don't exist there anymore.

Sora
04-04-2020, 08:29 PM
I think Turkic admixture in Anatolian Turks are 30%-50%. 'Cause if you look Turkish DNA Project's studies on this, you can clearly see that:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFuhCO6WkAAE-XV?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFunN1CX0AAGSdc?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFuljugX0AMhbKv?format=jpg&name=medium

https://i.redd.it/kxyqcb8fnps11.png

Kaspias
04-04-2020, 08:42 PM
It seems early Turkic populations should be similar to Uzbeks, at least all of Anatolian samples and also Varna and Kardzhali are closer to Uzbeks -but distances are higher.

I'm going to talk about it soon. I also did the same process on you.


I find interesting that Central Turkey is the least Turkic despite being the first to be removed from Byzantine control in a permanent fashion.


Possibly a result of combination of Kurdish/Armenian/Greek influences. There's Kurdish tribes in central anatolia till today but Greeks/Armenians don't exist there anymore.

Armenians and Kurds have no mass influence on the gene pool of Anatolian Turks.

See:
-Historical Greek population concentrated on Central Anatolia
-Mongol/Timurid invasions pushed Turkmens to the west of the Central Anatolia with a purpose, because they were denser in the region before compared to any other place.

Kyp
04-04-2020, 09:05 PM
I think Turkic admixture in Anatolian Turks are 30%-50%. 'Cause if you look Turkish DNA Project's studies on this, you can clearly see that:

https://i.redd.it/kxyqcb8fnps11.png

Looks reasonable, Azeris similar to Central Anatolia

itilvolga
04-04-2020, 09:19 PM
So can we say Turks are roughly 50% Turkic 50% Anatolian Greek?

Kyp
04-04-2020, 09:24 PM
So can we say Turks are roughly 50% Turkic 50% Anatolian Greek?

I don't think so. Only if the Turkic element contains Iranian element.
But 50% "Conqueror" as Kaspias puts it. Yes.

Kaspias
04-04-2020, 09:33 PM
So can we say Turks are roughly 50% Turkic 50% Anatolian Greek?

Pure Turkic? It would be around 35%. If we include that Iranic admixture to the Turkic ancestor since they were already carrying it when they came to the Anatolia, it would be roughly 50%. It basically means conquerors mixed only one generation in Anatolia, then formed their own ethnicity.

Thracian
04-04-2020, 09:46 PM
I'm going to talk about it soon. I also did the same process on you.





Armenians and Kurds have no mass influence on the gene pool of Anatolian Turks.

See:
-Historical Greek population concentrated on Central Anatolia
-Mongol/Timurid invasions pushed Turkmens to the west of the Central Anatolia with a purpose, because they were denser in the region before compared to any other place.

Really? Is that possible you send me results and coordinates?

Kaspias
04-04-2020, 09:55 PM
Really? Is that possible you send me results and coordinates?

I sent

Thracian
04-04-2020, 10:17 PM
I sent

Thank you.