How different are the peoples of Indochina ethnically, culturally and linguistically?

[Dr_Maul]

I’ve always wondered this but never had the time to research it. Are the people of Indochina (Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Myanmar) very different or similar culturally and linguistically? Could they coexist efficiently and peacefully under one nation or would it be like Yugoslavia again?

[sean]

Indochina is Asian Latin America. Except instead of Spaniards you had Chinese people as the immigrants. The countries with the highest admixture of Chinese are the most prosperous. Basically Chinese in Indochina are like Jews. The people ruling these countries do not have an ounce of patriotism or loyalty to each other outside of trade relationships.

Singapore is developed because it focused on its manufacturing and human capital potential after it gained independence from the UK and established itself as a tax haven for foreign investors.

Cambodia has kept the same regime (Khmer Rouge still technically in power under the new government), since the UN invervention in the 90s, although it might change soon since the system is crumbling under the weight of its own corruption and some of its pillars are getting too old to rule and they know it.

Laos has remained an isolated authoritarian communist regime.

Vietnam has been booming since the introduction of the Doi Moi Laws in the mid-90s (equivalent to the entry of market economy in China; they did that as well as remove the centralisation of produced goods in cooperatives, and allow privately-owned businesses) and the jury is still out on whether the ruling communist party will take strong counter-measures or continue to liberalise until there is no traces of communism.

Myanmar isn't really as poor as it used to be ever since the junta lost a lot of power. The only real issue is the Shan State and I dont think it'll be resolved anytime soon. If they can get over this Rohingya mess than as it stands now, Myanmar is in a position to at the very least reach Vietnam level of development.

Thailand is in a worrying state since the last military coup allowed the army to seize power after the democratic regime fell due to its ruling class becoming self-serving, the mix of this authoritarian turn and the death of the only stabilising force that was King Bhumibol, followed by his much disliked son are not good signs at all.

Consensual prostitution is widely practiced in Buddhist Thailand because of the view that the body is just a temporary vassal before the next reincarnation, thus sex is not that big of a deal. Thailand also has the highest infidelity rate in the world for the same exact reason, and underage mistresses are not uncommon for old married men.

The Thai borders with Malaysia and Burma (and to a lesser extend Cambodia) are among the most dangerous places in SE Asia due to the sheer amount of smuggling of goods and human trafficking that goes on there, with the full complicity of the Thai authorities.

The Philippines are confused from generations of rape by the Spanish and Japanese. They use whitening creams and go to Catholic Church except for the few native/tribal remnants and the rebels in the south-west. They pretend to be religious/conservative but the population density + catholic "no birth control" devalues labour to the point that a large portion of the population has to travel abroad to find work. Philippines has the lowest average IQ in SE Asia which largely explains why it is a corrupt third world shithole.

There is an enormous number of poor single mothers in the Philippines and most of them have been impregnated and dumped by filipino men. There are some children, especially around Angeles city, that have been fathered by sex tourists. Not all of them are old white sex tourists by the way, there are babies born there from African-American and Hispanic sex tourists. Mass sex tourism and prostitution exists there because the Philippines is and always will be a corrupt third world shithole. At the end of the day it takes two to tango, filipina sex workers have some accountability here. They decided to work in the sex trade, they decided to fuck without condoms because they just wanted the money. Now those children are portrayed as victims by the liberal media.

https://i.imgur.com/jnPOMan.jpg

[Dr_Maul]

Indochina is Asian Latin America. Except instead of Spaniards you had Chinese people as the immigrants. The countries with the highest admixture of Chinese are the most prosperous. Basically Chinese in Indochina are like Jews. The people ruling these countries do not have an ounce of patriotism or loyalty to each other outside of trade relationships.

Singapore is developed because it focused on its manufacturing and human capital potential after it gained independence from the UK and established itself as a tax haven for foreign investors.

Cambodia has kept the same regime (Khmer Rouge still technically in power under the new government), since the UN invervention in the 90s, although it might change soon since the system is crumbling under the weight of its own corruption and some of its pillars are getting too old to rule and they know it.

Laos has remained an isolated authoritarian communist regime.

Vietnam has been booming since the introduction of the Doi Moi Laws in the mid-90s (equivalent to the entry of market economy in China; they did that as well as remove the centralisation of produced goods in cooperatives, and allow privately-owned businesses) and the jury is still out on whether the ruling communist party will take strong counter-measures or continue to liberalise until there is no traces of communism.

Myanmar isn't really as poor as it used to be ever since the junta lost a lot of power. The only real issue is the Shan State and I dont think it'll be resolved anytime soon. If they can get over this Rohingya mess than as it stands now, Myanmar is in a position to at the very least reach Vietnam level of development.

Thailand is in a worrying state since the last military coup allowed the army to seize power after the democratic regime fell due to its ruling class becoming self-serving, the mix of this authoritarian turn and the death of the only stabilising force that was King Bhumibol, followed by his much disliked son are not good signs at all.

Consensual prostitution is widely practiced in Buddhist Thailand because of the view that the body is just a temporary vassal before the next reincarnation, thus sex is not that big of a deal. Thailand also has the highest infidelity rate in the world for the same exact reason, and underage mistresses are not uncommon for old married men.

The Thai borders with Malaysia and Burma (and to a lesser extend Cambodia) are among the most dangerous places in SE Asia due to the sheer amount of smuggling of goods and human trafficking that goes on there, with the full complicity of the Thai authorities.

The Philippines are confused from generations of rape by the Spanish and Japanese. They use whitening creams and go to Catholic Church except for the few native/tribal remnants and the rebels in the south-west. They pretend to be religious/conservative but the population density + catholic "no birth control" devalues labour to the point that a large portion of the population has to travel abroad to find work. Philippines has the lowest average IQ in SE Asia which largely explains why it is a corrupt third world shithole.

There is an enormous number of poor single mothers in the Philippines and most of them have been impregnated and dumped by filipino men. There are some children, especially around Angeles city, that have been fathered by sex tourists. Not all of them are old white sex tourists by the way, there are babies born there from African-American and Hispanic sex tourists. Mass sex tourism and prostitution exists there because the Philippines is and always will be a corrupt third world shithole. At the end of the day it takes two to tango, filipina sex workers have some accountability here. They decided to work in the sex trade, they decided to fuck without condoms because they just wanted the money. Now those children are portrayed as victims by the liberal media.

https://i.imgur.com/jnPOMan.jpg

Thanks for the info

[Morena]

The Philippines has always had a libertine culture. I was told by a former member from the Philippines that parents used to hire male prostitutes to take the virginity of their daughters when they turned thirteen or so.

[GaneshD'Souza]

Philippines has the lowest average IQ in SE Asia which largely explains why it is a corrupt third world shithole.

This is true. Which is why it's amazing that places like this exist in the Philippines.

Three different cities in the Philippines:

BGC
https://i.ibb.co/0BmM4MH/videoblocks-taguig-timelapse-day-to-night-bgc-high-street-city-skyline-view-of-retail-office-and-condominium-buildings-timelapse-day-to-night-philippines-r5slj5yal-thumbnail-full01.jpg

Makati
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2840/9462275371_67907cb2be_b.jpg

Ortigas
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8854/27729082194_0ca3098451_b.jpg

Not bad for the lowest IQ country in Asia

[GaneshD'Souza]

Meanwhile in the Philippines:

https://i.imgur.com/0QyERFx.jpg

^ Take note of the advanced drainage infrastructure and post modernist architecture complimenting the scene.

Don't worry about trying to be western dude, just worry about making your country less of a third world shithole.

Um. It's a third world country, with the lowest IQ people in Asia. With a climate highly susceptible to typhoons. Did you expect something different?

[GaneshD'Souza]

IQ is an absolute condition of success. Let's compare Asian countries such as South Korea/Japan and Philippines/Cambodia. The former countries are the most developed and prosperous in Asia, and the latter countries are known for poverty, cheap labour and underage whores. And the most obvious difference between them is IQ.

Just look at how efficiently the Japanese handled the Fukushima disaster, within days power and infrastructure was restored. Also they live in an earthquake/typhoon zone and still manage to protect their citizens and property.

Where is the disagreement? Filipinos have the lowest IQ in Asia. I already said that. Even Cambodians have a higher IQ. But their country is not as developed as the Philippines. Everyone knows the Philippines is very poor. I'm just pointing out the cities they've built DESPITE being low IQ. It's amazing really. You dont see cities in Sub-Saharan Africa like that, besides South Africa

[GaneshD'Souza]

All of this was built by Chang. Like Arabs bragging about their giant tower which was designed and paid for (oil money) by western corporations.

https://i.imgur.com/y6tsUOL.jpg

Chinese are literally lining you up for endless debt and basically modern slavery. But I guess your race has always been more inclined to "serve" than "lead."

All of those pics were from before Duterte even became president.

Here's Makati in 2016- a few months after Duterte became president

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SAG7XpCUOk
You think they built all those skyscrapers in 3 months? They were already there since the 90s

[GaneshD'Souza]

Dude, you are so predictable lel.

https://i.imgur.com/wjBAQ0w.jpg

Yep. And that article was written in 2015. Before Duterte even became president

I'm confused what point you're trying to make.

Makati in 2013
https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5467/9519117734_a0bb4225e9_b.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bolens/9519117734

BGC in 2015
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7591/17009068375_309b81b531_b.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stardex/17009068375

Ortigas 2012
https://live.staticflickr.com/7015/6667531893_85e6dd8378_o.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/erickph/6667531893/

[GaneshD'Souza]

All those are built by foreign corporations. Not your people.



http://www.grantthornton.com.%28ph%29/globalassets/publications/doing-business/doing-business-in-the-philippines-for-bpos---2012-edition.pdf

The Philippines has violent crime, starving children in the street, armed security guards at 7/11 stores and dangerous ghettos and slums. The main problem of the Philippines is that all the amount of local investment is very limited compared to foreign investment, I mean if you look at the richest people in the Philippines I would estimate 80-90% being either Chinese-Filipino's or Hapas.

Thailand, Malaysia, and Singapore all have much larger Chinese populations than the Philippines. And Vietnamese are essentially half Chinese because of being ruled by them for 1,000 years. So what you're saying about the Philippines is not unique to the country.

The Philippines has a low crime rate compared to country's of similar income. Jamaica, Guatemala, and El Salvador have similar GDPs per capita to the Philippines, but they're all much more violent. Brazil, Colombia, and Mexico are much wealthier than the Philippines but astronomically more violent

[Thambi]

Your country is still a shithole. Singapore is developed because it is a Chinese country. FACT

singapore is a country with 5 million people man. Its barely a country even. what retarded comparison are you even making?

also singapore opened up its market for foreign investment way early compared to most asian countries. Its in an optimal location with low population and gave rise to heavy investment from outside countries, mostly western countries.

2001 foreign companies accounted for 75% of manufactured output and 85% of manufactured exports.

[Thambi]

He brought it up. It's not coincidental that Singapore is the only developed country in SE Asia and the only country in SE Asia with a Chinese majority. Thailand and Malaysia are the runners-up, and they both have huge Chinese minorities who control most of the economy in those countries.

Unfortunately low IQ brown Austronesian monkeys now control the governments there, so they'll be consigned to middle income in perpetuity. At least the Chinese work hard and get things done. If half of you were so industrious, you’d have more to live for.

well then china has lower GDP per capita than thailand and malaysia so with your argument i could also say maybe the non chinese could be the reason for the development in those countries and the other groups focusing on other sectors of economy. Also Vietnamese have higher IQ than many european/western countries at 94 which is higher than thailand, philippines, and malaysia. Yet vietnam is poorer than all those countries.

There are many factors involved thn just IQ. And IQ itself is bsed on environment predominantly. there's genetic aspect as well but its more environmental based.

[Synapsid]

Your country is still a shithole. Singapore is developed because it is a Chinese country. FACT.



They are Latin American countries. All Latin American countries are violent, hypersexual, degenerate shitholes. The mongrels and mulattoes of those countries are incredibly demonic as you all know from watching cartel and gang torture videos. It is very true that these mongrels often turn out more violent and degenerate than their full blooded counterparts. Their lack of identity perhaps also contributes to their nihilism and involvement in drugs and gangs.

Just take a look at any gore website and you will see that 90% of the videos are from latin mongrel countries such as Brazil and other Latin American countries.

I made a similar observation, in Mexico. The Mestizos areas are much more violent than the poorer Native areas.

[sean]

well then china has lower GDP per capita than thailand and malaysia so with your argument i could also say maybe the non chinese could be the reason for the development and focusing on other sectors of economy. Also Vietnamese have higher IQ than many european/western countries at 94 and higher than thailand, philippines, and malaysia. Yet vietnam is poorer than all those countries. There are many factors involved thn just IQ. And IQ itself is bsed on environment predominantly. there's genetic aspect as well but its more environmental based.

Vietnam might be poor but it's going through a raging economic boom. One or two generations down the line, things will be pretty different there. Vietnamese have successfully emulated the China's version of central planning but still suffer from all of the issues similar to China. There are also idiots who hate China in Vietnam which makes no fucking sense since they allow Chinese investment left and right. And doing much better than other countries in its region. Vietnam is already better than the Philippines despite being a undemocratic one party, poverty-stricken country: poverty rate: 7%, homicide rate: 1.85%, unemployment: 2%.

As for Thailand, the new king is pretty much similar to many incompetent leisure minded kings you know from history. Not much to worry about since he probably spends most of his time snorting coke off pre-teen trannies. The government is still corrupt and poverty is everywhere. Currently, China remains as an important ally to Thailand, partly due to its influence and prominence in the region.

Every overseas community in SE Asia that has a large Chinese population starts to dominate the local education and economic system using their naturally higher IQs. Good example is Malaysia, where the local government had to stop Chinese influence from spreading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Chinese#Economic_and_political_represent ation


In 2012, Chinese Malaysians had the lowest poverty rates among major ethnic groups in Malaysia, with a rate of 0.3% compared with the Bumiputera rate of 2.2%.[147] For the Malaysian Chinese community, the mean income rose from 394 RM in 1970 to 4,279 RM in 2002, a figure that was an increase of 90.8% and was 80.0% above Bumiputera (2,376 RM) and 40.5% above Malaysian Indians.

[Thambi]

Vietnam might be poor but it's going through a raging economic boom. One or two generations down the line, things will be pretty different there.

LOL vietnam isnt anything special bro. Literally most SE asian countries have similar growth rate as vietnam. If vietnam is 'raging with economic boom' so are other countries around it. One to two generations later, other countries around it will grow more cause they're already richer than vietnam. Philippines for example. They lready have higher gdp and per capita than vietnam, plus they're growing at a similar percentage.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Countries_by_Real_GDP_Growth_Rate_%282017%29.svg

[sean]

If vietnam is 'raging with economic boom' so are other countries around it. One to two generations later, other countries around it will grow more cause they're already richer than vietnam. Philippines for example. They lready have higher gdp and per capita than vietnam, plus they're growing at a similar percentage.

Vietnam is booming thanks to Trump's China trade war last year. The trade war is forcing even China's own companies to move manufacturing overseas to places like Vietnam and Thailand. GDP last quarter grew by 7% and manufacturing infrastructure is literally maxed out at full capacity. Money is literally free falling out of China. Construction is booming everywhere. Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam are the future manufacturing powerhouses and future trillion dollar GDP economies.

[Roy]

The Philippines has always had a libertine culture. I was told by a former member from the Philippines that parents used to hire male prostitutes to take the virginity of their daughters when they turned thirteen or so.

What the hell? I guess they are bigoted for show, not unlike many Polish people.

[Maguzanci]

Indochina is Asian Latin America. Except instead of Spaniards you had Chinese people as the immigrants. The countries with the highest admixture of Chinese are the most prosperous. Basically Chinese in Indochina are like Jews. The people ruling these countries do not have an ounce of patriotism or loyalty to each other outside of trade relationships.

Singapore is developed because it focused on its manufacturing and human capital potential after it gained independence from the UK and established itself as a tax haven for foreign investors.

Cambodia has kept the same regime (Khmer Rouge still technically in power under the new government), since the UN invervention in the 90s, although it might change soon since the system is crumbling under the weight of its own corruption and some of its pillars are getting too old to rule and they know it.

Laos has remained an isolated authoritarian communist regime.

Vietnam has been booming since the introduction of the Doi Moi Laws in the mid-90s (equivalent to the entry of market economy in China; they did that as well as remove the centralisation of produced goods in cooperatives, and allow privately-owned businesses) and the jury is still out on whether the ruling communist party will take strong counter-measures or continue to liberalise until there is no traces of communism.

Myanmar isn't really as poor as it used to be ever since the junta lost a lot of power. The only real issue is the Shan State and I dont think it'll be resolved anytime soon. If they can get over this Rohingya mess than as it stands now, Myanmar is in a position to at the very least reach Vietnam level of development.

Thailand is in a worrying state since the last military coup allowed the army to seize power after the democratic regime fell due to its ruling class becoming self-serving, the mix of this authoritarian turn and the death of the only stabilising force that was King Bhumibol, followed by his much disliked son are not good signs at all.

Consensual prostitution is widely practiced in Buddhist Thailand because of the view that the body is just a temporary vassal before the next reincarnation, thus sex is not that big of a deal. Thailand also has the highest infidelity rate in the world for the same exact reason, and underage mistresses are not uncommon for old married men.

The Thai borders with Malaysia and Burma (and to a lesser extend Cambodia) are among the most dangerous places in SE Asia due to the sheer amount of smuggling of goods and human trafficking that goes on there, with the full complicity of the Thai authorities.

The Philippines are confused from generations of rape by the Spanish and Japanese. They use whitening creams and go to Catholic Church except for the few native/tribal remnants and the rebels in the south-west. They pretend to be religious/conservative but the population density + catholic "no birth control" devalues labour to the point that a large portion of the population has to travel abroad to find work. Philippines has the lowest average IQ in SE Asia which largely explains why it is a corrupt third world shithole.

There is an enormous number of poor single mothers in the Philippines and most of them have been impregnated and dumped by filipino men. There are some children, especially around Angeles city, that have been fathered by sex tourists. Not all of them are old white sex tourists by the way, there are babies born there from African-American and Hispanic sex tourists. Mass sex tourism and prostitution exists there because the Philippines is and always will be a corrupt third world shithole. At the end of the day it takes two to tango, filipina sex workers have some accountability here. They decided to work in the sex trade, they decided to fuck without condoms because they just wanted the money. Now those children are portrayed as victims by the liberal media.

https://i.imgur.com/jnPOMan.jpg

Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines is not a part of Indochina... It only refers to mainland SE Asia.

Its not that comparable to Latin America. SE Asia as a whole is much safer, much less violent and much less sexual than Latin America.

[Maguzanci]

LOL vietnam isnt anything special bro. Literally most SE asian countries have similar growth rate as vietnam. If vietnam is 'raging with economic boom' so are other countries around it. One to two generations later, other countries around it will grow more cause they're already richer than vietnam. Philippines for example. They lready have higher gdp and per capita than vietnam, plus they're growing at a similar percentage.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Countries_by_Real_GDP_Growth_Rate_%282017%29.svg

Actually Vietnam is surpassing Thailand in economic growth. It might be more developed than Thailand in the future.

[1R0N M4N XL]

The Philippines has always had a libertine culture. I was told by a former member from the Philippines that parents used to hire male prostitutes to take the virginity of their daughters when they turned thirteen or so.

that would be only in the gutter if the gutter/ghettoes of ghettoes/lowest of the lowest of all poverty. that's an abomination even to the criminal moral standards. I heard cases of the extreme poverty family selling their children out of desperation but I have never heard of parents would pay male prostitutes to take their daughters.

[1R0N M4N XL]

I’ve always wondered this but never had the time to research it. Are the people of Indochina (Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Myanmar) very different or similar culturally and linguistically? Could they coexist efficiently and peacefully under one nation or would it be like Yugoslavia again?

Actually, it was almost at one point

https://www.ancient.eu/img/r/p/500x600/1106.png?v=1485680389

ASEAN was formed to unite against communism and to step forward to something like the European Union but without the European Parliament

[1R0N M4N XL]

Indochina is Asian Latin America. Except instead of Spaniards you had Chinese people as the immigrants. The countries with the highest admixture of Chinese are the most prosperous. Basically Chinese in Indochina are like Jews. The people ruling these countries do not have an ounce of patriotism or loyalty to each other outside of trade relationships.

Singapore is developed because it focused on its manufacturing and human capital potential after it gained independence from the UK and established itself as a tax haven for foreign investors.

Cambodia has kept the same regime (Khmer Rouge still technically in power under the new government), since the UN invervention in the 90s, although it might change soon since the system is crumbling under the weight of its own corruption and some of its pillars are getting too old to rule and they know it.

Laos has remained an isolated authoritarian communist regime.

Vietnam has been booming since the introduction of the Doi Moi Laws in the mid-90s (equivalent to the entry of market economy in China; they did that as well as remove the centralisation of produced goods in cooperatives, and allow privately-owned businesses) and the jury is still out on whether the ruling communist party will take strong counter-measures or continue to liberalise until there is no traces of communism.

Myanmar isn't really as poor as it used to be ever since the junta lost a lot of power. The only real issue is the Shan State and I dont think it'll be resolved anytime soon. If they can get over this Rohingya mess than as it stands now, Myanmar is in a position to at the very least reach Vietnam level of development.

Thailand is in a worrying state since the last military coup allowed the army to seize power after the democratic regime fell due to its ruling class becoming self-serving, the mix of this authoritarian turn and the death of the only stabilising force that was King Bhumibol, followed by his much disliked son are not good signs at all.

Consensual prostitution is widely practiced in Buddhist Thailand because of the view that the body is just a temporary vassal before the next reincarnation, thus sex is not that big of a deal. Thailand also has the highest infidelity rate in the world for the same exact reason, and underage mistresses are not uncommon for old married men.

The Thai borders with Malaysia and Burma (and to a lesser extend Cambodia) are among the most dangerous places in SE Asia due to the sheer amount of smuggling of goods and human trafficking that goes on there, with the full complicity of the Thai authorities.

The Philippines are confused from generations of rape by the Spanish and Japanese. They use whitening creams and go to Catholic Church except for the few native/tribal remnants and the rebels in the south-west. They pretend to be religious/conservative but the population density + catholic "no birth control" devalues labour to the point that a large portion of the population has to travel abroad to find work. Philippines has the lowest average IQ in SE Asia which largely explains why it is a corrupt third world shithole.

There is an enormous number of poor single mothers in the Philippines and most of them have been impregnated and dumped by filipino men. There are some children, especially around Angeles city, that have been fathered by sex tourists. Not all of them are old white sex tourists by the way, there are babies born there from African-American and Hispanic sex tourists. Mass sex tourism and prostitution exists there because the Philippines is and always will be a corrupt third world shithole. At the end of the day it takes two to tango, filipina sex workers have some accountability here. They decided to work in the sex trade, they decided to fuck without condoms because they just wanted the money. Now those children are portrayed as victims by the liberal media.

https://i.imgur.com/jnPOMan.jpg

Brunei is rich because of Oil resources. Brunei doesn't have much Chinese living in it.
Singapore is basically a shipping port in the malacca strait where most of the Chinese/Korean/Japanese cargo ships stop by.

ALMOST all rich Chinese in southeast Asia are import/export business which is directly connected with mainland Chinese factories(huge advantages). Same reason why Amazon, Macy's, Walmart are directly linked with mainland China.

If southeast Asia cut business ties with mainland China most of the Chinese billionaires in Southeast Asia will disappear within 1 generation because they will lose the business advantages.

[Etelfrido]

The region is linguistically diverse and thus choosing a dominant language would be problematic, much more than in Yugoslavia where the standard was based on the Eastern Herzegovinian Shtokavian dialect.

https://i.imgur.com/9rKJfSW.png

There are also religious insurgences (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency), territorial disputes (between Thailand and Cambodia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preah_Vihear_Temple#Disputes_over_ownership_since_ 2008) and also between Cambodia and Vietnam (https://mondediplo.com/2023/06/08vietnam)) as well as a large stateless population (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asian_Massif#Zomia) spread throughout the region for me to think a single country would work but international cooperation is possible and indeed isn't something new (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASEAN).