Macedonian Gedmatch kits - 28

[JohnnyP]

All active Macedonian gedmatch kits total 28 :

Kit Number: T709325 (EV-13)
Population
North_Atlantic 22.72 Pct
Baltic 18.61 Pct
West_Med 19.12 Pct
West_Asian 9.61 Pct
East_Med 23.18 Pct
Red_Sea 3.49 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.13 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.96 Pct
Oceanian 0.53 Pct
Northeast_African 0.64 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: A682893
Population
North_Atlantic 19.32 Pct
Baltic 20.54 Pct
West_Med 20.49 Pct
West_Asian 11.27 Pct
East_Med 25.04 Pct
Red_Sea 2.32 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.73 Pct
Amerindian 0.29 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: A824134
Population
North_Atlantic 21.00 Pct
Baltic 19.54 Pct
West_Med 21.40 Pct
West_Asian 11.26 Pct
East_Med 22.20 Pct
Red_Sea 3.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.78 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.70 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: A752924
Population
North_Atlantic 23.73 Pct
Baltic 19.67 Pct
West_Med 19.77 Pct
West_Asian 9.43 Pct
East_Med 22.04 Pct
Red_Sea 4.54 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.29 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: A356451
Population
North_Atlantic 20.54 Pct
Baltic 21.51 Pct
West_Med 17.63 Pct
West_Asian 10.96 Pct
East_Med 24.09 Pct
Red_Sea 2.96 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.27 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.01 Pct
Oceanian 0.99 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Kit Number: A444799
Population
North_Atlantic 22.01 Pct
Baltic 21.42 Pct
West_Med 18.90 Pct
West_Asian 9.32 Pct
East_Med 24.37 Pct
Red_Sea 2.60 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Amerindian 0.68 Pct
Oceanian 0.06 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Kit Number: A231427
Population
North_Atlantic 22.42 Pct
Baltic 22.28 Pct
West_Med 18.15 Pct
West_Asian 8.99 Pct
East_Med 25.37 Pct
Red_Sea 0.38 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.95 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.73 Pct
Oceanian 0.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Kit Number: A572241
Population
North_Atlantic 20.36 Pct
Baltic 22.54 Pct
West_Med 18.82 Pct
West_Asian 11.07 Pct
East_Med 22.77 Pct
Red_Sea 2.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.11 Pct
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Amerindian 0.42 Pct
Oceanian 0.46 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Kit Number: A987004
Population
North_Atlantic 18.43 Pct
Baltic 21.63 Pct
West_Med 20.80 Pct
West_Asian 12.92 Pct
East_Med 22.29 Pct
Red_Sea 1.92 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Siberian 1.36 Pct
Amerindian 0.44 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: M586408
Population
North_Atlantic 19.59 Pct
Baltic 20.90 Pct
West_Med 21.83 Pct
West_Asian 8.76 Pct
East_Med 24.55 Pct
Red_Sea 2.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.63 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.71 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: T595018
Population
North_Atlantic 23.40 Pct
Baltic 20.89 Pct
West_Med 21.24 Pct
West_Asian 12.48 Pct
East_Med 18.34 Pct
Red_Sea 0.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.83 Pct
East_Asian 1.01 Pct
Siberian 1.05 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: M674577 (J2b2)
Population
North_Atlantic 19.38 Pct
Baltic 24.00 Pct
West_Med 18.62 Pct
West_Asian 10.55 Pct
East_Med 23.00 Pct
Red_Sea 2.11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.07 Pct
Amerindian 0.19 Pct
Oceanian 1.07 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Kit Number: T392786
Population
North_Atlantic 23.40 Pct
Baltic 20.89 Pct
West_Med 21.24 Pct
West_Asian 12.48 Pct
East_Med 18.34 Pct
Red_Sea 0.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.83 Pct
East_Asian 1.01 Pct
Siberian 1.05 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Kit Number: T401886
Population
North_Atlantic 20.04 Pct
Baltic 24.41 Pct
West_Med 17.80 Pct
West_Asian 12.82 Pct
East_Med 20.64 Pct
Red_Sea 3.06 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.55 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.69 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: H130030
Population
North_Atlantic 23.21 Pct
Baltic 23.67 Pct
West_Med 19.11 Pct
West_Asian 10.68 Pct
East_Med 18.68 Pct
Red_Sea 2.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.58 Pct
East_Asian 0.47 Pct
Siberian 1.46 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Kit Number: A506798
Population
North_Atlantic 19.27 Pct
Baltic 20.58 Pct
West_Med 18.45 Pct
West_Asian 13.03 Pct
East_Med 25.29 Pct
Red_Sea 1.07 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.10 Pct
Siberian 1.25 Pct
Amerindian 0.12 Pct
Oceanian 0.85 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: M968385
Population
North_Atlantic 20.22 Pct
Baltic 21.20 Pct
West_Med 20.47 Pct
West_Asian 13.92 Pct
East_Med 19.76 Pct
Red_Sea 2.52 Pct
South_Asian 0.51 Pct
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66 Pct
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: M958633 (I2a2)
Population
North_Atlantic 22.81 Pct
Baltic 19.52 Pct
West_Med 20.90 Pct
West_Asian 9.61 Pct
East_Med 21.89 Pct
Red_Sea 2.27 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Siberian 0.60 Pct
Amerindian 0.90 Pct
Oceanian 0.72 Pct
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.20 Pct

Kit Number: M457882
Population
North_Atlantic 22.81 Pct
Baltic 19.52 Pct
West_Med 20.90 Pct
West_Asian 9.61 Pct
East_Med 21.89 Pct
Red_Sea 2.27 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Siberian 0.60 Pct
Amerindian 0.90 Pct
Oceanian 0.72 Pct
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.20 Pct

Kit Number: T973440 (I-Z17855)
Population
North_Atlantic 18.21 Pct
Baltic 23.00 Pct
West_Med 22.25 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 23.18 Pct
Red_Sea 2.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: T251028
Population
North_Atlantic 23.72 Pct
Baltic 20.31 Pct
West_Med 19.98 Pct
West_Asian 13.23 Pct
East_Med 17.63 Pct
Red_Sea 3.69 Pct
South_Asian 0.48 Pct
East_Asian 0.66 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.24 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: A373748
Population
North_Atlantic 24.03 Pct
Baltic 23.94 Pct
West_Med 16.08 Pct
West_Asian 13.24 Pct
East_Med 18.81 Pct
Red_Sea 2.64 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.97 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: T663642
Population
North_Atlantic 20.88 Pct
Baltic 20.14 Pct
West_Med 22.33 Pct
West_Asian 11.74 Pct
East_Med 18.84 Pct
Red_Sea 3.38 Pct
South_Asian 0.65 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.37 Pct
Amerindian 0.31 Pct
Oceanian 0.35 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: H414329
Population
North_Atlantic 22.37 Pct
Baltic 24.61 Pct
West_Med 17.96 Pct
West_Asian 12.79 Pct
East_Med 17.02 Pct
Red_Sea 4.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.37 Pct


Kit Number: A893473
Population
North_Atlantic 20.86 Pct
Baltic 20.27 Pct
West_Med 20.38 Pct
West_Asian 9.54 Pct
East_Med 23.84 Pct
Red_Sea 1.84 Pct
South_Asian 1.17 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75 Pct
Amerindian 0.43 Pct
Oceanian 0.94 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Kit Number: H686285
Population
North_Atlantic 25.76 Pct
Baltic 19.67 Pct
West_Med 21.07 Pct
West_Asian 5.86 Pct
East_Med 22.31 Pct
Red_Sea 4.18 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.44 Pct
Siberian 0.39 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Kit Number: A079814
Population
North_Atlantic 22.45 Pct
Baltic 23.62 Pct
West_Med 18.22 Pct
West_Asian 14.14 Pct
East_Med 19.00 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.02 Pct
Amerindian 0.37 Pct
Oceanian 0.19 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


These are kit numbers;

A824134
A752924
A682893
A231427
A444799
A356451
A572241
T709325 (EV-13)
A987004
M586408
M674577 (J2b2)
T392786,
T595018
T401886
T179680
H130030
H724659
A506798
M968385
M958633 (I2a2)
M457882
T973440 (I-Z17855)
T251028
A373748
T663642
H414329
A893473
H686285
A079814
M887933 (E1b1b1a)

There were more kits but unfortunately are deleted.

PCA k15 with all kits.
https://i.postimg.cc/bwvFbt64/mak-gedmatch-kits.png

Most of them are between triangle Bulgarians,Thessalians and Tuscan.
Highest Baltic 24.
Lowest Baltic 18.
Average is 21,44.

These with highest Baltic (24) are from Northeast part of country (Torlakian).

[JohnnyP]

Very similar to Gheg Albanians,Kosovars,Albanians from Montenegro and Albanians from Macedonia.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238790-Albanian-gedmatch-results

Also very similar to Greeks and Vlachs from North Greece ( Macedonia region ).
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?311891-Genetic-comparison-of-Macedonia-Thrace-and-Bulgaria

[JohnnyP]

One more gedmatch result , guy from Kavadarci.

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.33
2 Baltic 21.25
3 West_Med 20.48
4 East_Med 20.33
5 West_Asian 9.71
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 South_Asian 0.71
8 Siberian 0.65
9 Northeast_African 0.1
10 Sub-Saharan 0.09
11 Amerindian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.64
2 Romanian 4.89
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.06
4 Serbian 8.32
5 Tuscan 11.5
6 North_Italian 11.77
7 Italian_Abruzzo 13.88
8 Moldavian 14.76
9 West_Sicilian 14.81
10 Central_Greek 15.03
11 East_Sicilian 16.13
12 Hungarian 16.25
13 Croatian 17.28
14 Portuguese 17.93
15 Austrian 17.99
16 Ashkenazi 18.02
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.62
18 French 18.79
19 Spanish_Extremadura 18.81
20 South_Italian 18.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% North_Italian @ 1.37
2 82.6% Bulgarian + 17.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.8
3 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.88
4 88.4% Romanian + 11.6% Sardinian @ 1.94
5 81.6% Bulgarian + 18.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.95
6 82.5% Bulgarian + 17.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.99
7 85.3% Bulgarian + 14.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2
8 71.9% Greek_Thessaly + 28.1% East_German @ 2
9 83.6% Bulgarian + 16.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.01
10 71.9% Romanian + 28.1% Tuscan @ 2.06
11 81.2% Bulgarian + 18.8% Portuguese @ 2.1
12 81.8% Bulgarian + 18.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.15
13 83% Bulgarian + 17% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.19
14 69.7% Greek_Thessaly + 30.3% Austrian @ 2.19
15 84.5% Bulgarian + 15.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.26
16 82.7% Bulgarian + 17.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.29
17 53.9% West_Sicilian + 46.1% Croatian @ 2.29
18 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Tuscan @ 2.37
19 63.1% West_Sicilian + 36.9% Ukrainian @ 2.39
20 85.2% Bulgarian + 14.8% Southwest_French @ 2.42

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% West_Sicilian @ 2.780503


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Bulgarian +25% North_Italian @ 1.487589


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.456111
2 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian @ 1.487589
3 Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.533126
4 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 1.564849
5 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 1.651452
6 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Croatian + North_Italian @ 1.673218
7 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Polish @ 1.680468
8 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Polish @ 1.703501
9 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian + Romanian @ 1.704375
10 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian + West_Sicilian @ 1.733593
11 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Southwest_French + Ukrainian @ 1.748044
12 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian @ 1.752260
13 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Serbian @ 1.754686
14 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 1.755313
15 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.763354
16 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Sicilian @ 1.764981
17 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Polish + Tuscan @ 1.767289
18 Bulgarian + Croatian + East_Sicilian + North_Italian @ 1.772677
19 Bulgarian + Tuscan + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.772686
20 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + North_Italian @ 1.788987


Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 18.58
2 North_Sea 18.41
3 West_Med 16.72
4 Baltic 12.98
5 Atlantic 12.77
6 Eastern_Euro 9.53
7 West_Asian 9.1
8 Red_Sea 1.49
9 Northeast_African 0.35
10 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.34
2 Greek_Thessaly 7.34
3 Bulgarian 7.45
4 Serbian 8.78
5 Greek 10.34
6 Tuscan 11.71
7 North_Italian 12.97
8 Italian_Abruzzo 13.63
9 Moldavian 13.9
10 Central_Greek 14.09
11 Ashkenazi 14.23
12 West_Sicilian 14.96
13 East_Sicilian 14.96
14 Hungarian 15.16
15 Croatian 16.14
16 Austrian 16.22
17 South_Italian 17.42
18 Spanish_Galicia 17.59
19 Portuguese 17.91
20 French 18.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.7% Greek_Thessaly + 19.3% North_Swedish @ 3.59
2 69.8% Greek_Thessaly + 30.2% Hungarian @ 3.62
3 80.2% Greek_Thessaly + 19.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.63
4 74.5% Greek_Thessaly + 25.5% East_German @ 3.63
5 55.7% Greek_Thessaly + 44.3% Serbian @ 3.74
6 80.7% Greek_Thessaly + 19.3% Finnish @ 3.74
7 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% East_Finnish @ 3.96
8 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% Norwegian @ 3.99
9 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% Swedish @ 4
10 78.1% Greek_Thessaly + 21.9% Ukrainian @ 4.05
11 82.6% Greek_Thessaly + 17.4% Estonian @ 4.09
12 82.8% Greek_Thessaly + 17.2% West_Norwegian @ 4.15
13 80.3% Greek_Thessaly + 19.7% Polish @ 4.16
14 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% South_Polish @ 4.2
15 69% Greek_Thessaly + 31% Moldavian @ 4.31
16 72.5% Greek_Thessaly + 27.5% Austrian @ 4.32
17 72.4% Greek_Thessaly + 27.6% Croatian @ 4.32
18 78% Greek_Thessaly + 22% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.35
19 76.5% Greek_Thessaly + 23.5% West_German @ 4.36
20 81.8% Greek_Thessaly + 18.2% Danish @ 4.38

[Vojnik]

I don't think i'm on that list. Ancestry from Bitola and Lerin regions.

Eurogenes K13.


<tbody>
Population



North_Atlantic
24.02 Pct


Baltic
22.65 Pct


West_Med
17.23 Pct


West_Asian
11.73 Pct


East_Med
19.19 Pct


Red_Sea
4.33 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
-


Siberian
-


Amerindian
0.72 Pct


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
0.07 Pct


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Romanian
3.03


2
Bulgarian
3.5


3
Serbian
6.64


4
Greek_Thessaly
9.42


5
Moldavian
12.94


6
Tuscan
14.03


7
North_Italian
14.63


8
Hungarian
14.71


9
Italian_Abruzzo
14.93


10
Croatian
15.62


11
Central_Greek
16.03


12
West_Sicilian
16.7


13
Austrian
16.96


14
East_Sicilian
17.19


15
Ashkenazi
19.03


16
East_German
19.08


17
French
19.47


18
West_German
19.82


19
Portuguese
19.98


20
South_Italian
20.27


</tbody>

My Dads:


<tbody>
Population



North_Atlantic
20.28 Pct


Baltic
21.94 Pct


West_Med
18.56 Pct


West_Asian
10.83 Pct


East_Med
24.93 Pct


Red_Sea
2.39 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
-


Siberian
0.35 Pct


Amerindian
0.36 Pct


Oceanian
0.10 Pct


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
0.26 Pct

</tbody>


Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Bulgarian
4.89


2
Greek_Thessaly
5.81


3
Romanian
7.41


4
Serbian
11.38


5
Central_Greek
12.53


6
Italian_Abruzzo
12.94


7
Tuscan
13.29


8
East_Sicilian
13.72


9
West_Sicilian
13.97


10
Ashkenazi
14.52


11
North_Italian
15.86


12
South_Italian
16.74


13
Moldavian
16.95


14
Hungarian
19.53


15
Croatian
19.74


16
Italian_Jewish
21.61


17
Algerian_Jewish
21.64


18
Sephardic_Jewish
21.98


19
Austrian
22.19


20
Portuguese
22.81


</tbody>

My friend:


<tbody>
Population



North_Atlantic
25.50 Pct


Baltic
20.04 Pct


West_Med
18.87 Pct


West_Asian
10.65 Pct


East_Med
19.83 Pct


Red_Sea
4.11 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
0.59 Pct


Siberian
0.10 Pct


Amerindian
0.30 Pct


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Romanian
5.12


2
Bulgarian
5.46


3
Serbian
8.26


4
Greek_Thessaly
8.36


5
Tuscan
10.99


6
North_Italian
11.47


7
Italian_Abruzzo
13.01


8
West_Sicilian
14.45


9
Central_Greek
14.77


10
Moldavian
15.21


11
East_Sicilian
15.82


12
Hungarian
16.06


13
Portuguese
17.33


14
Austrian
17.53


15
Croatian
17.65


16
French
17.82


17
Ashkenazi
17.91


18
Spanish_Galicia
18.07


19
Spanish_Extremadura
18.17


20
South_Italian
18.66


</tbody>

[JohnnyP]

Also some Macedonian girl from Skopje few days ago posted these results.



Population
North_Atlantic 22.60 Pct
Baltic 22.20 Pct
West_Med 18.97 Pct
West_Asian 8.26 Pct
East_Med 24.78 Pct
Red_Sea 2.21 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.25 Pct
Oceanian 0.71 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Valentins
3.74180438 Macedonian_East (Sample from Stip)
4.54563527 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.76086127 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.94072679 North_Macedonian
5.00814337 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.10606502 Greek_Thessaloniki
5.61544299 Macedonian_North
5.73199791 Bulgarian_Central
5.83318095 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.12674465 Macedonian_Southwest
6.37378224 Pomak_Plovdiv
6.41162226 Bulgarian
6.55976372 Bulgarian_Serres
6.62541319 Turk_Thessaloniki
6.69085196 Romanian_Muntenia
6.72881119 Bulgarian_Southwest
6.93849407 Greek_Central-Macedonia
6.95409951 Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.97755216 Macedonian
6.99138041 Macedonian_Northwest
7.03283876 Kosovo_Albanian
7.15343973 Greek_Western-Macedonia
7.23212279 Vlach_North-Macedonia
7.26451650 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
7.57186239 Albanian


Target: Valentins
Distance: 3.7681% / 3.76813238 | ADC: 0.5x
49.4 Greek_Thessaloniki
47.0 North_Macedonian
1.8 Romanian_Muntenia
1.4 Swiss_Italian
0.4 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander


Target: Valentins
Distance: 4.5432% / 4.54318874 | ADC: 1x
52.0 North_Macedonian
48.0 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander

[1,] "27.5 % West_Sicilian + 72.5 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "1.8609"
[2,] "30.1 % Marche + 69.9 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "1.998"
[3,] "27.9 % Abruzzo + 72.1 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.0526"
[4,] "29.6 % Lazio + 70.4 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.0715"
[5,] "5.6 % Yemenite_Jewish + 94.4 % Macedonian_East" "2.1485"
[6,] "27.2 % Molise + 72.8 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.1638"
[7,] "42 % Veneto + 58 % Pomak_Xanthi" "2.2095"
[8,] "29.7 % Umbria + 70.3 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.2132"
[9,] "35.5 % Greek_Western-Thrace + 64.5 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.2868"
[10,] "41.4 % Liguria + 58.6 % Pomak_Xanthi" "2.2927"
[11,] "32.4 % Romagna + 67.6 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.2964"
[12,] "30 % Tuscan + 70 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.3094"
[13,] "26.3 % Apulia + 73.7 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.3504"
[14,] "26.5 % Basilicata + 73.5 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.3509"
[15,] "18.9 % Moroccan_Jew + 81.1 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.4442"
[16,] "44.9 % Vlach_Central-Macedonia + 55.1 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.4872"
[17,] "42.6 % Emilia + 57.4 % Pomak_Xanthi" "2.4935"
[18,] "38.8 % Lombardy + 61.2 % Pomak_Xanthi" "2.4965"
[19,] "13.6 % Ashkenazi + 86.4 % Macedonian_East" "2.4981"
[20,] "24.2 % Campania + 75.8 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.5294"
[21,] "44.8 % Friuli-VG + 55.2 % Pomak_Xanthi" "2.5341"
[22,] "6.3 % Lebanese_Druze + 93.7 % Macedonian_East" "2.5863"
[23,] "39.3 % Piedmont + 60.7 % Pomak_Xanthi" "2.6001"
[24,] "5.1 % Saudi + 94.9 % Macedonian_East" "2.6027"
[25,] "6.4 % Palestinian + 93.6 % Macedonian_East" "2.6104"
[26,] "6.2 % Samaritan + 93.8 % Macedonian_East" "2.665"
[27,] "5.9 % Lebanese_Christian + 94.1 % Macedonian_East" "2.6875"
[28,] "23.4 % Sicily + 76.6 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.6949"
[29,] "8 % Tunisian_Jewish + 92 % Macedonian_East" "2.6965"
[30,] "7.9 % Libyan_Jewish + 92.1 % Macedonian_East" "2.7198"
[31,] "9.2 % Italian_Jewish + 90.8 % Macedonian_East" "2.7266"
[32,] "6 % Egyptian + 94 % Macedonian_East" "2.7334"
[33,] "18.5 % Italian_Jewish + 81.5 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.7356"
[34,] "25.4 % Italian_Jewish + 74.6 % Bulgarian_Pleven" "2.7583"
[35,] "25.6 % FrenchCorsica + 74.4 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.7925"
[36,] "6.1 % Jordanian + 93.9 % Macedonian_East" "2.7939"
[37,] "21.2 % Calabria + 78.8 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.8026"
[38,] "5.8 % Bedouin + 94.2 % Macedonian_East" "2.8151"
[39,] "8.9 % Moroccan_Jew + 91.1 % Macedonian_East" "2.8285"
[40,] "8.7 % Algerian_Jewish + 91.3 % Macedonian_East" "2.838"
[41,] "18 % Sephardic_Jewish + 82 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.8498"
[42,] "42.5 % Greek_Thessaly + 57.5 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.8558"
[43,] "8.5 % Sephardic_Jewish + 91.5 % Macedonian_East" "2.8574"
[44,] "44.8 % Albanian + 55.2 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.8602"
[45,] "22.6 % Malta + 77.4 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.8991"
[46,] "25.2 % East_Sicilian + 74.8 % Pomak_Plovdiv" "2.9179"
[47,] "6.6 % Cyprian + 93.4 % Macedonian_East" "2.9197"
[48,] "6.6 % Greek_Cypriot + 93.4 % Macedonian_East" "2.9197"
[49,] "36.1 % Swiss-Italian + 63.9 % Pomak_Xanthi" "2.943"
[50,] "36.5 % Swiss_Italian + 63.5 % Pomak_Xanthi"

[JohnnyP]

I don't think i'm on that list. Ancestry from Bitola and Lerin regions.

Eurogenes K13.


<tbody>
Population



North_Atlantic
24.02 Pct


Baltic
22.65 Pct


West_Med
17.23 Pct


West_Asian
11.73 Pct


East_Med
19.19 Pct


Red_Sea
4.33 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
-


Siberian
-


Amerindian
0.72 Pct


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
0.07 Pct


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Romanian
3.03


2
Bulgarian
3.5


3
Serbian
6.64


4
Greek_Thessaly
9.42


5
Moldavian
12.94


6
Tuscan
14.03


7
North_Italian
14.63


8
Hungarian
14.71


9
Italian_Abruzzo
14.93


10
Croatian
15.62


11
Central_Greek
16.03


12
West_Sicilian
16.7


13
Austrian
16.96


14
East_Sicilian
17.19


15
Ashkenazi
19.03


16
East_German
19.08


17
French
19.47


18
West_German
19.82


19
Portuguese
19.98


20
South_Italian
20.27


</tbody>

My Dads:


<tbody>
Population



North_Atlantic
20.28 Pct


Baltic
21.94 Pct


West_Med
18.56 Pct


West_Asian
10.83 Pct


East_Med
24.93 Pct


Red_Sea
2.39 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
-


Siberian
0.35 Pct


Amerindian
0.36 Pct


Oceanian
0.10 Pct


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
0.26 Pct

</tbody>


Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Bulgarian
4.89


2
Greek_Thessaly
5.81


3
Romanian
7.41


4
Serbian
11.38


5
Central_Greek
12.53


6
Italian_Abruzzo
12.94


7
Tuscan
13.29


8
East_Sicilian
13.72


9
West_Sicilian
13.97


10
Ashkenazi
14.52


11
North_Italian
15.86


12
South_Italian
16.74


13
Moldavian
16.95


14
Hungarian
19.53


15
Croatian
19.74


16
Italian_Jewish
21.61


17
Algerian_Jewish
21.64


18
Sephardic_Jewish
21.98


19
Austrian
22.19


20
Portuguese
22.81


</tbody>

My friend:


<tbody>
Population



North_Atlantic
25.50 Pct


Baltic
20.04 Pct


West_Med
18.87 Pct


West_Asian
10.65 Pct


East_Med
19.83 Pct


Red_Sea
4.11 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
0.59 Pct


Siberian
0.10 Pct


Amerindian
0.30 Pct


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

Single Population Sharing:


<tbody>
#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Romanian
5.12


2
Bulgarian
5.46


3
Serbian
8.26


4
Greek_Thessaly
8.36


5
Tuscan
10.99


6
North_Italian
11.47


7
Italian_Abruzzo
13.01


8
West_Sicilian
14.45


9
Central_Greek
14.77


10
Moldavian
15.21


11
East_Sicilian
15.82


12
Hungarian
16.06


13
Portuguese
17.33


14
Austrian
17.53


15
Croatian
17.65


16
French
17.82


17
Ashkenazi
17.91


18
Spanish_Galicia
18.07


19
Spanish_Extremadura
18.17


20
South_Italian
18.66


</tbody>


Thanks for sharing ! All three from Bitola?

[Vojnik]

Thanks for sharing ! All three from Bitola?

Yes. Although my friend has some ancestry from the Pella region. But from ethnic Macedonians.

[JohnnyP]

Yes. Although my friend has some ancestry from the Pella region. But from ethnic Macedonians.

He have high North Atlantic, you also :D

[Vojnik]

Basically all the native Macedonians, Vlachs, Albanians of this region are the same genetically. Same or similar results on gedmatch.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PC6XHK/527-roman-provinces-of-macedonia-PC6XHK.jpg

[JohnnyP]

Basically all the native Macedonians, Vlachs, Albanians of this region are the same genetically. Same or similar results on gedmatch.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PC6XHK/527-roman-provinces-of-macedonia-PC6XHK.jpg

Also i want to mention for people who are not familiar with Torbeshi, they are Islamized Macedonians and purest Macedonians.

[Vojnik]

Also i want to mention for people who are not familiar with Torbeshi, they are Islamized Macedonians and purest Macedonians.

Any results on them? I would have thought they would have mixed with some Turks over the years. Because of common faith. But maybe not?

[JohnnyP]

Any results on them? I would have thought they would have mixed with some Turks over the years. Because of common faith. But maybe not?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241950-Gedmatch-results-of-Torbeshi-or-Macedonian-muslims&highlight=torbeshi+gedmatch
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282032-Torbeshi-Gedmatch-from-N-Macedonia&highlight=torbeshi+gedmatch

[Vojnik]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241950-Gedmatch-results-of-Torbeshi-or-Macedonian-muslims&highlight=torbeshi+gedmatch
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282032-Torbeshi-Gedmatch-from-N-Macedonia&highlight=torbeshi+gedmatch

I see. Nothing like Balkan Turk results at all.

[JohnnyP]

One more Macedonian K13 results.

Admix Results (sorted):

#
Population
Percent
1
East_Med
24.10
2
Baltic
21.53
3
North_Atlantic
20.56
4
West_Med
17.63
5
West_Asian
10.95
6
Red_Sea
2.96
7
Amerindian
1.01


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 5.138119
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.614001
3 Romanian @ 7.925223
4 Serbian @ 12.493502
5 Central_Greek @ 14.316034
6 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.445589
7 Tuscan @ 14.914110
8 East_Sicilian @ 15.586819
9 West_Sicilian @ 15.773703
10 Ashkenazi @ 16.795723
11 North_Italian @ 17.900188
12 Moldavian @ 18.974867
13 South_Italian @ 19.176466
14 Hungarian @ 21.854023
15 Croatian @ 22.221544
16 Italian_Jewish @ 24.796848
17 Algerian_Jewish @ 24.839354
18 Sephardic_Jewish @ 25.013994
19 Austrian @ 25.019979
20 Portuguese @ 25.770416

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.880129

[Lioncourt]

Bulgarians with similar results, Macedonia and Thrace.

theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279069-Bulgarian-Gedmatch-from-Western-Thrace
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279069-Bulgarian-Gedmatch-from-Western-Thrace&p=5820781&viewfull=1#post5820781
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?280412-Bulgarian-Gedmatch-result-from-Thessaloniki-and-Thrace
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259661-Thrace-Gedmatch-Results&p=5498992&viewfull=1#post5498992

[Fedora]

I see. Nothing like Balkan Turk results at all.

Many of them learn turkish and identify as Turks and I don't know the reason though. And the results I saw of Turks from Radovis were very close to slavic Macedonians.
"Eventhough the elders don't know turkish in this village..." It says in turkish. I think it's a torbesh village eventhough the video claims they are from Karaman region of Turkey and that they're not pomaks/torbesh xD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbGK1GO-H8

[Crn Volk]

Many of them learn turkish and identify as Turks and I don't know the reason though. And the results I saw of Turks from Radovis were very close to slavic Macedonians.
"Eventhough the elders don't know turkish in this village..." It says in turkish. I think it's a torbesh village eventhough the video claims they're not pomaks/torbesh xD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbGK1GO-H8

They are Turkophiles because they yearn for the return of the Ottoman empire.

[JohnnyP]

Many of them learn turkish and identify as Turks and I don't know the reason though. And the results I saw of Turks from Radovis were very close to slavic Macedonians.
"Eventhough the elders don't know turkish in this village..." It says in turkish. I think it's a torbesh village eventhough the video claims they are from Karaman region of Turkey and that they're not pomaks/torbesh xD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbGK1GO-H8

Thats because religion, these guys except religion nothing to do with Turks,they are Islamized Macedonians.
We call them traitors.:rolleyes:
And they speaking Macedonian language.

[JohnnyP]

Bulgarians with similar results, Macedonia and Thrace.

theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279069-Bulgarian-Gedmatch-from-Western-Thrace
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?279069-Bulgarian-Gedmatch-from-Western-Thrace&p=5820781&viewfull=1#post5820781
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?280412-Bulgarian-Gedmatch-result-from-Thessaloniki-and-Thrace
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259661-Thrace-Gedmatch-Results&p=5498992&viewfull=1#post5498992

I think difference is West Asian is bigger in Bulgarians, but similar.

[Thracian]

Many of them learn turkish and identify as Turks and I don't know the reason though. And the results I saw of Turks from Radovis were very close to slavic Macedonians.
"Eventhough the elders don't know turkish in this village..." It says in turkish. I think it's a torbesh village eventhough the video claims they are from Karaman region of Turkey and that they're not pomaks/torbesh xD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbGK1GO-H8

They are Balkan Turks. Pomaks or Torbeshi people do not claim that they are from Karaman.

[JohnnyP]

They are Balkan Turks. Pomaks or Torbeshi people do not claim that they are from Karaman.

Their genetics (Torbeshi) have nothing to do with turks .They are Islamized Macedonians, i dont know about Pomaks.
Genetics from Torbeshi
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282032-Torbeshi-Gedmatch-from-N-Macedonia
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241950-Gedmatch-results-of-Torbeshi-or-Macedonian-muslims

[Vojnik]

Many of them learn turkish and identify as Turks and I don't know the reason though. And the results I saw of Turks from Radovis were very close to slavic Macedonians.
"Eventhough the elders don't know turkish in this village..." It says in turkish. I think it's a torbesh village eventhough the video claims they are from Karaman region of Turkey and that they're not pomaks/torbesh xD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbGK1GO-H8


Yabalar chok sun bok sun alyalar bik bak bok trok sun.

Just joking. The people aree wish to identify as what ever they want. Radovis has Turkish inhabitants. The ones in the video may well just be Balkan Turks, and not Torbeshi.

[Rgvgjhvv]

@Vojnik Your dad is like borderline wog with his results. Interesting. Do you guys look alike?

[Vojnik]

@Vojnik Your dad is like borderline wog with his results. Interesting. Do you guys look alike?

We are both Wog and proud.

I'm half my Mum and half my Dad in looks.

[Thracian]

Their genetics (Torbeshi) have nothing to do with turks .They are Islamized Macedonians, i dont know about Pomaks.
Genetics from Torbeshi
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282032-Torbeshi-Gedmatch-from-N-Macedonia
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?241950-Gedmatch-results-of-Torbeshi-or-Macedonian-muslims

I really do not want to ruin your thread. So, all people in this video say they are Turks. Other Muslims in Balkans except Turks, do not claim that they are from Karaman. I also agree with you Torbeshi and Pomak people have nothing to do with Turks.

[Vojnik]

Another weird group in the Balkans are Gagauz. They are Orthodox that claim to be Turks, speak Turkish and are genetically Balkan, and not Turkish.

[JohnnyP]

deleted.

[JohnnyP]

Another Macedonian Female puntDNAL K13 result, i dont have kit number its from forum posts.


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Macedonian @ 4.101864
2 Bulgarian @ 4.430986
3 Kosovar @ 4.647744
4 Albanian @ 5.052258
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.037992
6 Italian_Tuscan @ 6.333726
7 Romanian @ 6.884343
8 Montenegrin @ 6.890855
9 Serbian @ 9.283626
10 Italian_Bergamo @ 9.973883
11 Greek_Central @ 11.368895
12 Italian_Abruzzo @ 11.950230
13 Bosnian @ 13.319817
14 Spaniard @ 15.222556
15 Croatian @ 15.232032
16 Moldavian @ 15.659679
17 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 16.348623
18 French @ 16.469654
19 Italian_Sicilian @ 17.643173
20 Hungarian @ 18.167028

[Vojnik]

They claiming because religion, you can check Torbeshi genetics from Macedonia i posted you before this reply,nothing to do with Turks geneticaly, i dont know about Pomaks, also Torbeshi speaking Macedonian language not Turk.

Thracian is just pointing out that the people in the video are not Torbeshi, as Torbeshi don't claim ancestry from Karaman in Turkey. The people in the video are just plain Balkan Turks from Radovish, which has a 4,000 Turks. Torbeshi dont live in that Eastern region. They live in the Western part. They are basically Islamised Mijaks.

[JohnnyP]

Thracian is just pointing out that the people in the video are not Torbeshi, as Torbeshi don't claim ancestry from Karaman in Turkey. The people in the video are just plain Balkan Turks from Radovish, which has a 4,000 Turks. Torbeshi dont live in that Eastern region. They live in the Western part. They are basically Islamised Mijaks.

Okay , misunderstanding sorry Trakian.

[Fedora]

I really do not want to ruin your thread. So, all people in this video say they are Turks. Other Muslims in Balkans except Turks, do not claim that they are from Karaman. I also agree with you Torbeshi and Pomak people have nothing to do with Turks.

But they don't speak turkish, only learned it from school. the village is 20km south of skopje. The myth about anatolian turkish migrants might be true, but i've seen results of macedonian turks which show no turkic admiixture unlike the ones in greece and bulgaria and they all identify as turks.

[Vojnik]

But they don't speak turkish, only learned it from school. the village is 20km south of skopje. The myth about anatolian turkish migrants might be true, but i've seen results of macedonian turks which show no turkic admiixture unlike the ones in greece and bulgaria and they all identify as turks.

They adopted the Turkish identity during Ottoman times when the Turks offered them land, food and zlatni liri. By them i mean their ancestors.

Sellouts, thats all. Macedonians have alot of them. Sellout Grkomans, Srbomans and Bugaromans. Nothing new.

[CommonSense]

Thracian is just pointing out that the people in the video are not Torbeshi, as Torbeshi don't claim ancestry from Karaman in Turkey. The people in the video are just plain Balkan Turks from Radovish, which has a 4,000 Turks. Torbeshi dont live in that Eastern region. They live in the Western part. They are basically Islamised Mijaks.

Here's a Balkan Turk who posted his results on reddit today. Seems to me he's just a turkified local from Macedonia:

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fxrxpg/a_turk_from_north_macedonia_i_know_that_my_people/

[JohnnyP]

Here's a Balkan Turk who posted his results on reddit today. Seems to me he's just a turkified local from Macedonia:

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/fxrxpg/a_turk_from_north_macedonia_i_know_that_my_people/

Macedonian with very similar results;

https://i.imgur.com/jmOqm6b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ermylfd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zVg6EQd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gt7gxbN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/f8wuaGH.jpg

[Lioncourt]

I think difference is West Asian is bigger in Bulgarians, but similar.

Generally, Bulgarians from southern regions score higher Baltic and West Asian, and less Med and North Atlantic than Macedonians.

Bulgarians from northern regions are more northern shifted and plot closer to Serbs (Northwest) or Romanians (Northeast).

[Vojnik]

Generally, Bulgarians from southern regions score higher Baltic and West Asian, and less Med and North Atlantic than Macedonians.

Bulgarians from northern regions are more northern shifted and plot closer to Serbs (Northwest) or Romanians (Northeast).

Do Bulgarians get more Siberian and East Asian then Macedonians? Macedonians east asian is little to none. Destroys the Original Bulgar theory in Macedonia.

[Lioncourt]

Do Bulgarians get more Siberian and East Asian then Macedonians? Macedonians east asian is little to none. Destroys the Original Bulgar theory in Macedonia.

Depends on the individial, but majority are between 0.5 and 1.5%. Same as rest of Europe.

[Cumansky]

Do Bulgarians get more Siberian and East Asian then Macedonians? Macedonians east asian is little to none. Destroys the Original Bulgar theory in Macedonia.

Do Bulgarians get more East Asian and Siberian m888ate??? Nigga with a Australia accent lol

Listen buddy Bulgarians are not East Asian or Siberian!

[Vojnik]

Do Bulgarians get more East Asian and Siberian m888ate??? Nigga with a Australia accent lol

Listen buddy Bulgarians are not East Asian or Siberian!

Never said they were nigga cuman.

[JohnnyP]

Do Bulgarians get more East Asian and Siberian m888ate??? Nigga with a Australia accent lol

Listen buddy Bulgarians are not East Asian or Siberian!

Bratski , you so sensitive,do you have girlfriend ?Or corona got you ? :D

[Cumansky]

Bratski , you so sensitive,do you have girlfriend ?Or corona got you ? :D

Widowed and Corona got me

[Kaspias]

Macedonian Turks have legit Turkic admixture just like other Balkan Turks. The problem about Macedonia is around half of them who migrated to Turkey were non-Turkic(mostly Albanian, this case peaks in Skopje) and they are Turkified afterward. They think they were ethnic Turks.

Torbeshi is linguistically Slavicized and culturally Turkified but have no actual Turkic DNA and have slight/none Slavic DNA. They have genetic continuum with Albanians.(see: High amount of native Balkan admixture)

[Cumansky]

Macedonian Turks have legit Turkic admixture just like other Balkan Turks. The problem about Macedonia is around half of them who migrated to Turkey were non-Turkic(mostly Albanian, this case peaks in Skopje) and they are Turkified afterward. They think they were ethnic Turks.

Torbeshi is linguistically Slavicized and culturally Turkified but have no actual Turkic DNA and have slight/none Slavic DNA. They have genetic continuum with Albanians.(see: High amount of native Balkan admixture)

Torbeshi some look Vlach other obvious Gypsy

[Vojnik]

Torbeshi some look Vlach other obvious Gypsy

Yet you've never met any.

[Cumansky]

Yet you've never met any.

I have, why would I give the summary if I didn't know! I live in Canada we have better shawty here, I have close contact with many Balkan ethnics

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian Turks have legit Turkic admixture just like other Balkan Turks. The problem about Macedonia is around half of them who migrated to Turkey were non-Turkic(mostly Albanian, this case peaks in Skopje) and they are Turkified afterward. They think they were ethnic Turks.

Torbeshi is linguistically Slavicized and culturally Turkified but have no actual Turkic DNA and have slight/none Slavic DNA. They have genetic continuum with Albanians.(see: High amount of native Balkan admixture)

Yeah ,but thats something like common thing between Macedonians thats going from knee to knee that Torbeshi are purest Macedonians who were Islamized and we call them traitors because they accepted Islam.And i guess they were not mixed with another ethnicities, unless Macedonians who were under many occupations -im talking also about my town North part (Kumanovo) were also populated atleast 20% with Serbs and mixed through time.

[Vojnik]

I have, why would I give the summary if I didn't know! I live in Canada we have better shawty here, I have close contact with many Balkan ethnics

Because, like alot of people here, you are all dumb fucks.

[Cumansky]

Yeah ,but thats something like common thing between Macedonians thats going from knee to knee that Torbeshi are purest Macedonians who were Islamized and we call them traitors because they accepted Islam.And i guess they were not mixed with another ethnicities, unless Macedonians who were under many occupations -im talking also about my town North part (Kumanovo) were also populated atleast 20% with Serbs and mixed through time.

You live in Kumanovo but you look like Albanian/Greek/Portuguese

Interesting population displacement! You read my name right Cumansky!

[Cumansky]

Because, like alot of people here, you are all dumb fucks.

Ok m8 m8888!

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian Turks have legit Turkic admixture just like other Balkan Turks. The problem about Macedonia is around half of them who migrated to Turkey were non-Turkic(mostly Albanian, this case peaks in Skopje) and they are Turkified afterward. They think they were ethnic Turks.

Torbeshi is linguistically Slavicized and culturally Turkified but have no actual Turkic DNA and have slight/none Slavic DNA. They have genetic continuum with Albanians.(see: High amount of native Balkan admixture)


Comparing Macedonians with Torbeshi from same region.
Torbesh #1

Eurogenes K13:

1.
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.39
2 North_Atlantic 24.3
3 West_Med 23.27
4 Baltic 14.91
5 West_Asian 8.83
6 Red_Sea 2.74
7 Amerindian 0.65
8 Siberian 0.36
9 Oceanian 0.35
10 East_Asian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 5.31
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.13
3 North_Italian 8.57
4 West_Sicilian 8.61
5 Italian_Abruzzo 9
6 Bulgarian 10.72
7 Central_Greek 10.72
8 East_Sicilian 11.47
9 Romanian 11.74
10 South_Italian 13.48
11 Ashkenazi 13.71
12 Serbian 15.13
13 Portuguese 16.77
14 Spanish_Extremadura 17.04
15 Spanish_Galicia 17.93
16 Spanish_Andalucia 18.06
17 Spanish_Murcia 18.07
18 Spanish_Valencia 18.28
19 Italian_Jewish 18.55
20 Spanish_Cataluna 18.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59% Greek_Thessaly + 41% North_Italian @ 1.95
2 75.9% Greek_Thessaly + 24.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.07
3 79.7% Greek_Thessaly + 20.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.22
4 75.9% Greek_Thessaly + 24.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.31
5 68.7% Tuscan + 31.3% Bulgarian @ 2.32
6 76% Greek_Thessaly + 24% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.37
7 77.8% Greek_Thessaly + 22.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.46
8 76.9% Greek_Thessaly + 23.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.58
9 86.1% Greek_Thessaly + 13.9% French_Basque @ 2.59
10 79.2% Greek_Thessaly + 20.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.59
11 77.3% Greek_Thessaly + 22.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.62
12 80.2% Greek_Thessaly + 19.8% Southwest_French @ 2.67
13 75.3% Greek_Thessaly + 24.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.67
14 75% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Portuguese @ 2.68
15 54.8% Tuscan + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.88
16 76.8% Greek_Thessaly + 23.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.98
17 72.1% Tuscan + 27.9% Romanian @ 2.98
18 90.6% Tuscan + 9.4% Erzya @ 3.26
19 83.8% Tuscan + 16.2% Moldavian @ 3.31
20 89.6% Tuscan + 10.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.39

Torbesh #2

Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.16
2 West_Med 22.23
3 North_Atlantic 19.26
4 Baltic 17.27
5 West_Asian 11.81
6 Red_Sea 3.03
7 East_Asian 1.33
8 Amerindian 0.98
9 Siberian 0.93

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 3.31
2 Bulgarian 8.08
3 Central_Greek 9.25
4 Italian_Abruzzo 9.74
5 Romanian 10.19
6 Tuscan 10.2
7 West_Sicilian 10.41
8 East_Sicilian 10.57
9 Ashkenazi 13.1
10 South_Italian 13.27
11 North_Italian 13.38
12 Serbian 14.39
13 Algerian_Jewish 18.9
14 Italian_Jewish 19.16
15 Sephardic_Jewish 19.39
16 Moldavian 19.94
17 Portuguese 21.19
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.47
19 Spanish_Galicia 22.03
20 Hungarian 22.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Greek_Thessaly + 17.3% Bulgarian @ 2.91
2 94.4% Greek_Thessaly + 5.6% Southwest_French @ 2.91
3 92.7% Greek_Thessaly + 7.3% Moldavian @ 2.91
4 86.7% Greek_Thessaly + 13.3% Romanian @ 2.95
5 93.9% Greek_Thessaly + 6.1% Croatian @ 2.95
6 95.4% Greek_Thessaly + 4.6% Ukrainian @ 2.96
7 95.3% Greek_Thessaly + 4.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.98
8 95.6% Greek_Thessaly + 4.4% Tatar @ 2.98
9 96.4% Greek_Thessaly + 3.6% French_Basque @ 2.99
10 95% Greek_Thessaly + 5% East_German @ 3
11 91% Greek_Thessaly + 9% Serbian @ 3
12 96.4% Greek_Thessaly + 3.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3
13 94.8% Greek_Thessaly + 5.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.01
14 95.7% Greek_Thessaly + 4.3% South_Polish @ 3.01
15 98.4% Greek_Thessaly + 1.6% Japanese @ 3.02
16 96.1% Greek_Thessaly + 3.9% Polish @ 3.02
17 98.3% Greek_Thessaly + 1.7% Hezhen @ 3.02
18 98.3% Greek_Thessaly + 1.7% Xibo @ 3.02
19 96.6% Greek_Thessaly + 3.4% Erzya @ 3.02
20 94.8% Greek_Thessaly + 5.2% Austrian @ 3.02

Macedonian #1 from same region

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.08
2 North_Atlantic 22.74
3 Baltic 18.12
4 West_Med 16.81
5 West_Asian 15.16
6 Red_Sea 2.54
7 East_Asian 0.97
8 Oceanian 0.25
9 Amerindian 0.24
10 Sub-Saharan 0.07
11 Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.35
2 Bulgarian 6.67
3 Romanian 8.08
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.01
5 Central_Greek 11.19
6 Tuscan 11.9
7 Serbian 12.15
8 East_Sicilian 12.72
9 West_Sicilian 12.74
10 North_Italian 14.69
11 Ashkenazi 14.9
12 South_Italian 15.39
13 Moldavian 18.29
14 Hungarian 19.93
15 Sephardic_Jewish 20.88
16 Italian_Jewish 21.14
17 Croatian 21.21
18 Algerian_Jewish 21.65
19 Portuguese 21.66
20 Austrian 21.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.26
2 76.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.6
3 61.4% Bulgarian + 38.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.8
4 54.7% Austrian + 45.3% Cyprian @ 2.83
5 80.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 19.6% Lithuanian @ 2.96
6 52.2% East_German + 47.8% Cyprian @ 2.97
7 77.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 22.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.97
8 56% Romanian + 44% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.98
9 79.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 20.8% Erzya @ 3.02
10 64.7% Central_Greek + 35.3% Hungarian @ 3.07
11 75.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 24.9% Ukrainian @ 3.1
12 78.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.6% Belorussian @ 3.12
13 65.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.5% Moldavian @ 3.13
14 78.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.15
15 74.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 25.3% South_Polish @ 3.25
16 74.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 25.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.26
17 59.2% Romanian + 40.8% Central_Greek @ 3.27
18 78.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.31
19 77% Italian_Abruzzo + 23% Polish @ 3.34
20 68.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.1% Croatian @ 3.36

Macedonian #2 from same region

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.27
2 East_Med 21.44
3 West_Med 21.03
4 Baltic 18.11
5 West_Asian 12.14
6 Red_Sea 1.9
7 Amerindian 1.12
8 East_Asian 0.82
9 Oceanian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.71
2 Bulgarian 6.29
3 Romanian 7.5
4 Tuscan 9.61
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.66
6 North_Italian 11.27
7 Serbian 11.52
8 Central_Greek 11.86
9 West_Sicilian 12.04
10 East_Sicilian 13.24
11 South_Italian 15.72
12 Ashkenazi 15.83
13 Moldavian 17.74
14 Portuguese 18.57
15 Spanish_Extremadura 19.06
16 Hungarian 19.35
17 Spanish_Galicia 19.49
18 Spanish_Cataluna 20.19
19 Spanish_Murcia 20.21
20 Spanish_Andalucia 20.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.3% Bulgarian + 38.7% Tuscan @ 2.21
2 62.7% Romanian + 37.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.72
3 66.5% Central_Greek + 33.5% East_German @ 2.77
4 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% West_German @ 2.78
5 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Irish @ 2.79
6 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% South_Dutch @ 2.81
7 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% Orcadian @ 2.81
8 86.1% Greek_Thessaly + 13.9% Southwest_English @ 2.82
9 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% Norwegian @ 2.84
10 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Southeast_English @ 2.86
11 86.2% Greek_Thessaly + 13.8% North_Dutch @ 2.87
12 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% West_Scottish @ 2.88
13 80.8% Greek_Thessaly + 19.2% Austrian @ 2.9
14 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% Swedish @ 2.94
15 85.4% Greek_Thessaly + 14.6% North_German @ 2.94
16 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% Danish @ 2.95
17 69.1% Romanian + 30.9% South_Italian @ 2.96
18 67.8% Bulgarian + 32.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.96
19 82.5% Greek_Thessaly + 17.5% East_German @ 2.99
20 59.8% Romanian + 40.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.04

[Jana]

These results are no different from that of Aromanians/Balkan Vlachs, aren't they?

[JohnnyP]

You live in Kumanovo but you look like Albanian/Greek/Portuguese

Interesting population displacement! You read my name right Cumansky!

Why i look Portuguese wtf?

[Cumansky]

Why i look Portuguese wtf?

You don't look like us! Who are the native!

[Vojnik]

Ok m8 m8888!


Yeah Australia mate. Best country in the world.

[Cumansky]

Why i look Portuguese wtf?

You look like my Uncle, Mother side

[Vojnik]

You don't look like us! Who are the native!


What the god damn are you?

[Cumansky]

Yeah Australia mate. Best country in the world.

Too many crackers and wannabe crackers you have wildfire everyday nigga

[Cumansky]

What the god damn are you?

Vlah!!!!!!!!

[Vojnik]

These results are no different from that of Aromanians/Balkan Vlachs, aren't they?

I think they cluster more north. A member here is a Vlach from Greece and clusters more north then Greeks and Macedonians. The user name is Paradox.

[Vojnik]

Too many crackers and wannabe crackers you have wildfire everyday nigga

This is why i called you dumb fuck before. It's fucken freezing right now.

[Vojnik]

Vlah!!!!!!!!

Well your homeland is Romania then.

[Cumansky]

This is why i called you dumb fuck before. It's fucken freezing right now.

Got em

[Cumansky]

Well your homeland is Romania then.

After 1300!

[JohnnyP]

After 1300!

Man can you stop spamming please?

[Cumansky]

Man can you stop spamming please?

Buddy I tell you one more time, I am 55% Macedonian you are 44% Greek!

[JohnnyP]

These results are no different from that of Aromanians/Balkan Vlachs, aren't they?

Yeah More like Torbeshi , see post #50.

[Renekton]

Subscribed :cool:

[Cumansky]

!!!!!!!!!!!

+2

[Fedora]

Macedonian Turks have legit Turkic admixture just like other Balkan Turks. The problem about Macedonia is around half of them who migrated to Turkey were non-Turkic(mostly Albanian, this case peaks in Skopje) and they are Turkified afterward. They think they were ethnic Turks.

Torbeshi is linguistically Slavicized and culturally Turkified but have no actual Turkic DNA and have slight/none Slavic DNA. They have genetic continuum with Albanians.(see: High amount of native Balkan admixture)

Can you share Macedonian Turkish results?
Here are only 4 results
https://turkishdnaproject.com/makedonya-turkleri/

[Jana]

I think they cluster more north. A member here is a Vlach from Greece and clusters more north then Greeks and Macedonians. The user name is Paradox.

Yes, her Aromanian father is very Slavic. He is in between Serb and Romanian average as far as I remember. But there are Vlachs no different than standard north Greeks.
It doesn't make sense Macedonian Slavs are less northern than Aromanians, I think these type of results are not typical for entire North Macedonia.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[JohnnyP]

Yes, her Aromanian father is very Slavic. He is in between Serb and Romanian average as far as I remember. But there are Vlachs no different than standard north Greeks.
It doesn't make sense Macedonian Slavs are less northern than Aromanians, I think these type of results are not typical for entire North Macedonia.

Correct me if I am wrong.

You are wrong, these gedmatch results are from everywhere (west,central,south,east part) except i think Northwest, these highest Baltic are from Northeast part of country.

[Kaspias]

Yeah ,but thats something like common thing between Macedonians thats going from knee to knee that Torbeshi are purest Macedonians who were Islamized and we call them traitors because they accepted Islam.And i guess they were not mixed with another ethnicities, unless Macedonians who were under many occupations -im talking also about my town North part (Kumanovo) were also populated atleast 20% with Serbs and mixed through time.

We seperate Macedonians from Bulgarians in terms of genetic because they have additional "Torbeshi-like" admixture. I agree that they can be regarded as purest Macedonians, because they were native of the region before Slavs come. All Macedonians have that admixture, but not clean as much as Torbeshi. I'm sure you know it, accepting Islam resulted with preserving Torbesh ethnicity. Otherwise they would be regular Macedonians now.

[JohnnyP]

We seperate Macedonians from Bulgarians in terms of genetic because they have additional "Torbeshi-like" admixture. I agree that they can be regarded as purest Macedonians, because they were native of the region before Slavs come. All Macedonians have that admixture, but not clean as much as Torbeshi. I'm sure you know it, accepting Islam resulted with preserving Torbesh ethnicity. Otherwise they would be regular Macedonians now.

Yeah, from i was saw Torbeshi Baltic would be 14-17 max while from these Macedonian gedmatch kits 18-23 but in average 20-21.Also i noticed Bulgarians have more West Asian and less North Atlantic than Macedonians.
Also these Torbeshi and Macedonians from same region were very similar.

k13 Eurogenes updated.
Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest
9.01726677 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.06078915 Turk_Kazanlik
9.13724247 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.29006459 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.30448279 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.34142387 Greek_Northern-Thrace
9.56564164 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.65286486 Macedonian_Southeast
9.72789803 Macedonian_Greece

[Kaspias]

Can you share Macedonian Turkish results?
Here are only 4 results
https://turkishdnaproject.com/makedonya-turkleri/

Kocani:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.16
2 North_Atlantic 19.62
3 East_Med 18.91
4 West_Med 14.14
5 West_Asian 12.18
6 Red_Sea 2.55
7 South_Asian 2.33
8 Siberian 2.05
9 East_Asian 1.13
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Northeast_African 0.21
12 Amerindian 0.04

Skopje:

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.73
2 West_Asian 21.7
3 West_Med 17.48
4 Baltic 12.76
5 North_Atlantic 9.65
6 Red_Sea 3.69
7 East_Asian 2.35
8 Siberian 1.77
9 South_Asian 1.62
10 Oceanian 0.27

I have more, but I don't have access to my PC now(also suspect some kits are not working). If you are looking for East Eurasian scores this may help: (Skopje N=3, East N=1, South N=5)

https://i.ibb.co/VwSRPB2/eurasianadmixturesansur.jpg

[JohnnyP]

@Kaspias

k13 Eurogenes updated.
Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest
9.01726677 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.06078915 Turk_Kazanlik
9.13724247 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.29006459 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.30448279 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.34142387 Greek_Northern-Thrace
9.56564164 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.65286486 Macedonian_Southeast
9.72789803 Macedonian_Greece

https://i.imgur.com/LZPe7om.jpg

[Kaspias]

Yeah, from i was saw Torbeshi Baltic would be 14-17 max while from these Macedonian gedmatch kits 18-23.Also i noticed Bulgarians have more West Asian and less North Atlantic than Macedonians.
Also these Torbeshi and Macedonians from same region were very similar.

k13 Eurogenes updated.
Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest
9.01726677 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.06078915 Turk_Kazanlik
9.13724247 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.29006459 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.30448279 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.34142387 Greek_Northern-Thrace
9.56564164 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.65286486 Macedonian_Southeast
9.72789803 Macedonian_Greece

That's a good point, if you have results for BGR_IA and Scythian Moldova it would be good to see it, too. I'm on mobile so it is a hard process to search for them :D

Genetic of Bulgarians completely different story. If you ask my personal opinion it is kind of meta-ethnicity in Eastern Balkans.(just like Greeks, Turks) When you look you can see totally unrelated results. It is like one scoring 25 NA and 20 Baltic, and the other scoring 30 Baltic and 15 NA. One can score 8 West Asian and the other is 18.

The less North Atlantic case is common among Pomaks.

[JohnnyP]

That's a good point, if you have results for BGR_IA and Scythian Moldova it would be good to see it, too. I'm on mobile so it is a hard process to search for them :D

Genetic of Bulgarians completely different story. If you ask my personal opinion it is kind of meta-ethnicity in Eastern Balkans.(just like Greeks, Turks) When you look you can see totally unrelated results. It is like one scoring 25 NA and 20 Baltic, and the other scoring 30 Baltic and 15 NA. One can score 8 West Asian and the other is 18.

The less North Atlantic case is common among Pomaks.

I will try to find now :D
Yeah Bulgaria no that homogenous because big territory, i think south and southwest part is very similar to Macedonia,southeast more West Asian admixture i guess logically,but it seems north is more like Serbian/Romanian with higher Baltic, i saw north Bulgarian gedmatch with 35 Baltic that was too much.

[Lioncourt]

No fully ethnic Bulgarian can score 35 Baltic, such individual has recent Russian or Ukrainian ancestry.

[Lioncourt]

Genetic of Bulgarians completely different story. If you ask my personal opinion it is kind of meta-ethnicity in Eastern Balkans.(just like Greeks, Turks) When you look you can see totally unrelated results. It is like one scoring 25 NA and 20 Baltic, and the other scoring 30 Baltic and 15 NA. One can score 8 West Asian and the other is 18.

Bulgarians have far from the Greek and Turkish genetic diversity. There are some outliers, but 80% and above fall in Wallachian-Bulgarian cluster. Those plotting with Serbs or Northern Greeks are minority, mostly because Bulgarians today are regionally mixed.

[Kaspias]

Bulgarians have far from the Greek and Turkish genetic diversity. There are some outliers, but 80% and above fall in Wallachian-Bulgarian cluster. Those plotting with Serbs or Northern Greeks are minority, mostly because Bulgarians today are regionally mixed.

This is not the case. Both a Bulgarian who have 30 Baltic and have 18 Baltic will be in same cluster, because spreading of other components(med and WA is decisive factor) are in same parallel which makes them Bulgarian at the end of the day. If one would cluster with Serbs s/he should have totally different breakdown. If you ask me, over 90% of ethnic Bulgarians will be in same cluster.

That's why I stated Eastern Balkans, this is the maximum you can reach in such a small region.

[Lioncourt]

This is not the case. Both a Bulgarian who have 30 Baltic and have 18 Baltic will be in same cluster, because spreading of other components(med and WA is decisive factor) are in same parallel which makes them Bulgarian at the end of the day. If one would cluster with Serbs s/he should have totally different breakdown. If you ask me, over 90% of ethnic Bulgarians will be in same cluster.

That's why I stated Eastern Balkans, this is the maximum you can reach in such a small region.

How exactly? 12% difference means at least two other components would be different. Like in the case of that Bulgarian from Dupnitsa having Serbian as top match. Part of Bulgarian ethnicity, but an outlier. Same for Bulgarian scoring 25% East Med, in the other direction, top match Thessalian Greek. I wouldn't call them belonging to the same cluster, as their results are too different. If we take Bulgarian average as median, these two are like 2SD away from it, 70% of Bulgarians being within 1SD, the exact difference for 1SD I haven't calculated though.

[Kaspias]

How exactly? 12% difference means at least two other components would be different. Like in the case of that Bulgarian from Dupnitsa having Serbian as top match.

Because there is a genetic continuum. Clustering algorithm not only works with similarity. It will be really confusing if I try to explain it here, but will post an example in the future, when I have access to my PC.

[Lioncourt]

Here is comparison of averages between Macedonians, Bulgarians, Romanians from Muntenia (the most southern genetically part of Romania) and Ghegs.


North Atlantic:

1. Ghegs 22.73
2. Macedonians 21.80
3. Bulgarians 21.75
4. Romanians 21.23

Baltic:

1. Bulgarians 24.06
2. Romanians 23.89
3. Macedonians 21.50
4. Ghegs 18.81

West Med:

1. Ghegs 21.39
2. Macedonians 19.69
3. Bulgarians 17.91
4. Romanians 17.23

West Asian:

1. Romanians 12.01
2. Bulgarians 11.91
3. Macedonians 10.97
4. Ghegs 10.51

East Med:

1. Ghegs 22.34
2. Macedonians 21.62
3. Bulgarians 20.12
4. Romanians 19.62


Red Sea:

1. Ghegs 2.67
2. Romanians 2.34
3. Macedonians 2.33
4. Bulgarians 1.93


East Asian:

1. Bulgarians 0.52
2. Romanians 0.50
3. Macedonians 0.39


Siberian:

1. Romanians 1.06
2. Macedonians 0.56
3. Bulgarians 0.43

[JohnnyP]

Here is comparison of averages between Macedonians, Bulgarians, Romanians from Muntenia (the most southern genetically part of Romania) and Ghegs.


North Atlantic:

1. Ghegs 22.73
2. Macedonians 21.80
3. Bulgarians 21.75
4. Romanians 21.23

Baltic:

1. Bulgarians 24.06
2. Romanians 23.89
3. Macedonians 21.50
4. Ghegs 18.81

West Med:

1. Ghegs 21.39
2. Macedonians 19.69
3. Bulgarians 17.91
4. Romanians 17.23

West Asian:

1. Romanians 12.01
2. Bulgarians 11.91
3. Macedonians 10.97
4. Ghegs 10.51

East Med:

1. Ghegs 22.34
2. Macedonians 21.62
3. Bulgarians 20.12
4. Romanians 19.62


Red Sea:

1. Ghegs 2.67
2. Romanians 2.34
3. Macedonians 2.33
4. Bulgarians 1.93


East Asian:

1. Bulgarians 0.52
2. Romanians 0.50
3. Macedonians 0.39


Siberian:

1. Romanians 1.06
2. Macedonians 0.56
3. Bulgarians 0.43


Nice work man !

[Lioncourt]

Nice work man !

I will search for Bulgarian results from Macedonia and Thrace and post the averages, I expect big similarities with Macedonian results.

[JohnnyP]

I will search for Bulgarian results from Macedonia and Thrace and post the averages, I expect big similarities with Macedonian results.

And post here if you can like last comparasions you made!

[Lioncourt]

And post here if you can like last comparasions you made!

I think Kaspias may already have such averages, he posted this image in the other thread:

https://i.ibb.co/ydS8jCY/resim.jpg

So Southern Bulgaria is Bulgarian_Southwest, Bulgarian_Serres, Bulgarian_Thrace, Bulgarian_Eastern_Rhodopes, Bulgarian_Pazardzhik, Bulgarian_Burgas, Bulgarian_Plovdiv, Bulgarian_Stara_Zagora, Bulgarian_North_Rhodopes, Pomak_Plovdiv, Pomak_Nevrokopi.

[JohnnyP]

I think Kaspias may already have such averages, he posted this image in the other thread:

https://i.ibb.co/ydS8jCY/resim.jpg

So Southern Bulgaria is Bulgarian_Southwest, Bulgarian_Serres, Bulgarian_Thrace, Bulgarian_Eastern_Rhodopes, Bulgarian_Pazardzhik, Bulgarian_Burgas, Bulgarian_Plovdiv, Bulgarian_Stara_Zagora, Bulgarian_North_Rhodopes, Pomak_Plovdiv, Pomak_Nevrokopi.


Nice thats look good,i already put them all Bulgarian,Greek and Macedonian samples on K13 Ancient.
https://i.imgur.com/zOUlTsj.jpg

[bained]

Some of these macedonians plot closer to me than any bulgarian. And the oldest mention of my family name is from Zagorichani, Kostursko during 1905. The prophecy is true.

[JohnnyP]

Some of these macedonians plot closer to me than any bulgarian. And the oldest mention of my family name is from Zagorichani, Kostursko during 1905. The prophecy is true.

Nice are you partly Macedonian ?

[Vojnik]

Some of these macedonians plot closer to me than any bulgarian. And the oldest mention of my family name is from Zagorichani, Kostursko during 1905. The prophecy is true.

All of you guys seem to have Macedonian ancestry to certain degrees. This is honestly the reason why i believe Macedonians and Bulgarians are so similar genetically.

I'm guessing your family left Zagorichani after the massacre committed by the Greeks there in 1905.


"I doubt whether anyone can from merely reading the consular reports and monthly statistics of crimes committed by the Greeks, form an adequate conception of the intense suffering of the Macedonian population of this unfortunate region".

The Eastern Question 1774 - 1923, N.S Anderson, 1974, London, p.145
Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.265

​https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRxgMK9VQAEdcLn?format=jpg&name=medium

[bained]

All of you guys seem to have Macedonian ancestry to certain degrees. This is honestly the reason why i believe Macedonians and Bulgarians are so similar genetically.

I'm guessing your family left Zagorichani after the massacre committed by the Greeks there in 1905.

I have no information about it. Probably was before that or for some reason everybody forgot about it. I found some guy on facebook from Resen, Macedonia with the same family name, but he refuses to talk to me.

There are many reasons for it, but that's another conversation that leads to insults and hysteria. In the same manner, I can claim the opposite and still be correct. Anyway, I'm just trying to explain my atypical results and I've finally found people close to me.


Nice are you partly Macedonian ?

Not that I'm aware of. I tracked my ancestors until 1878 and all of them are from the central part of Bulgaria. My DNA is very atypical for the region.

BTW, it would explain my enormous love for the song "Makedonsko Devoiche".

[Lioncourt]

All of you guys seem to have Macedonian ancestry to certain degrees. This is honestly the reason why i believe Macedonians and Bulgarians are so similar genetically.


It's more ancient than that. Bulgarians and Macedonians have native and Slavic in similar proportions.

[Vojnik]

I have no information about it. Probably was before that or for some reason everybody forgot about it. I found some guy on facebook from Resen, Macedonia with the same family name, but he refuses to talk to me.
There are many reasons for it, but that's another conversation that leads to insults and hysteria. In the same manner, I can claim the opposite and still be correct. Anyway, I'm just trying to explain my atypical results and I've finally found people close to me.



Not that I'm aware of. I tracked my ancestors until 1878 and all of them are from the central part of Bulgaria. My DNA is very atypical for the region.

BTW, it would explain my enormous love for the song "Makedonsko Devoiche".

But you can't. There's no sources which state a large influx of Bulgarians to Macedonia. But there is evidence of Macedonians migrating all over Bulgaria in large numbers.

There's noting wrong with that. Just makes you think what the results would have been if Bulgarains never had a such a big genetic impact from recent Macedonian settlement in Bulgaria.

[bained]

But you can't. There's no sources which state a large influx of Bulgarians to Macedonia. But there is evidence of Macedonians migrating all over Bulgaria in large numbers.

There's noting wrong with that. Just makes you think what the results would have been if Bulgarains never had a such a big genetic impact from recent Macedonian settlement in Bulgaria.

Oh God, here we go again. I seriously don't want to lead this conversation, because I don't care. I pursue strictly egoistical purpose in DNA.

[Lioncourt]

But you can't. There's no sources which state a large influx of Bulgarians to Macedonia. But there is evidence of Macedonians migrating all over Bulgaria in large numbers.

There's noting wrong with that. Just makes you think what the results would have been if Bulgarains never had a such a big genetic impact from recent Macedonian settlement in Bulgaria.

The migration of Macedonians to Bulgaria is a recent phenomenon, in the last 15 years, for economical reasons (work, study). Before that, there was a migration of Bulgarians from Macedonia to Bulgaria. My family viewed themselves as regionally Macedonian and ethnically Bulgarian, and probably so did most of the people who went to Bulgaria, otherwise they would have gone to Yugoslavia, like your family did.

The results would have been pretty much the same if there wasn't any migration, Bulgarians with no ancestry from Macedonia score similar, so do Romanians from Wallachia, Montenegrins and some Albanians.

[JohnnyP]

The migration of Macedonians to Bulgaria is a recent phenomenon, in the last 15 years, for economical reasons (work, study). Before that, there was a migration of Bulgarians from Macedonia to Bulgaria. My family viewed themselves as regionally Macedonian and ethnically Bulgarian, and probably so did most of the people who went to Bulgaria, otherwise they would have gone to Yugoslavia, like your family did.

The results would have been pretty much the same if there wasn't any migration, Bulgarians with no ancestry from Macedonia score similar, so do Romanians from Wallachia, Montenegrins and some Albanians.

Yeah , but there were many migrations by Macedonians from Macedonia to Bulgaria and also by Macedonians from Aegea Macedonia to Bulgaria especially around Black Sea.Im not speaking about last few decades, i speak about 100-120 years ago,thats nothing wrong,people migrating in past too often,i want to say for example Southwest Bulgaria by census records till 1945 year was populated by Macedonians like 80%,also from US State Department document shows census of 1956 year in Bulgaria with around 200,000 Macedonians who live there, but again i know this conversation will lead in wrong way ,im not fighting bro just discussing, i think many of these migrations and other circumastances made us very close and thats good !Cheers brate!

[Vojnik]

The migration of Macedonians to Bulgaria is a recent phenomenon, in the last 15 years, for economical reasons (work, study). Before that, there was a migration of Bulgarians from Macedonia to Bulgaria. My family viewed themselves as regionally Macedonian and ethnically Bulgarian, and probably so did most of the people who went to Bulgaria, otherwise they would have gone to Yugoslavia, like your family did.

The results would have been pretty much the same if there wasn't any migration, Bulgarians with no ancestry from Macedonia score similar, so do Romanians from Wallachia, Montenegrins and some Albanians.

When did i say my family went to Yugoslavia? Half are from Lerin, the other half from Bitola. It is a 20 minute drive between those two towns. Exactly the same stock of people really.

The Macedonians migrating to Bulgaria formed a Bulgarian identity after some years spent in Bulgaria. In schools and churches, filled with propaganda.

[JohnnyP]

One more Macedonian Eurogenes k13 result.No kit number ,its from forum posts.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.78
2 Baltic 20.63
3 North_Atlantic 20.33
4 West_Med 19.35
5 West_Asian 12.86
6 Red_Sea 4.12
7 Amerindian 1.39
8 Northeast_African 0.4
9 Siberian 0.11
10 East_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.38
2 Greek_Thessaly 5.97
3 Romanian 6.38
4 Serbian 10.67
5 Italian_Abruzzo 12.45
6 Central_Greek 12.48
7 Tuscan 12.87
8 East_Sicilian 13.77
9 West_Sicilian 14.04
10 North_Italian 14.88
11 Moldavian 15.97
12 Ashkenazi 16.05
13 South_Italian 16.86
14 Hungarian 18.81
15 Croatian 19.02
16 Austrian 21.13
17 Portuguese 21.54
18 Spanish_Extremadura 22.12
19 Spanish_Galicia 22.24
20 Algerian_Jewish 22.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% Central_Greek + 39.5% Croatian @ 1.76
2 56.2% Central_Greek + 43.8% Moldavian @ 1.88
3 67.2% Central_Greek + 32.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.89
4 70.7% Central_Greek + 29.3% Polish @ 1.96
5 68.4% Central_Greek + 31.6% Ukrainian @ 2.03
6 51.4% Moldavian + 48.6% South_Italian @ 2.03
7 60.2% South_Italian + 39.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.06
8 53.8% East_Sicilian + 46.2% Moldavian @ 2.19
9 53% South_Italian + 47% Croatian @ 2.23
10 78.5% Bulgarian + 21.5% East_Sicilian @ 2.31
11 61.5% South_Italian + 38.5% Ukrainian @ 2.33
12 74.2% Greek_Thessaly + 25.8% Moldavian @ 2.35
13 58.2% East_Sicilian + 41.8% Croatian @ 2.35
14 76.9% Bulgarian + 23.1% Central_Greek @ 2.37
15 72% Central_Greek + 28% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.37
16 68.2% Central_Greek + 31.8% South_Polish @ 2.4
17 59.9% Bulgarian + 40.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.42
18 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% South_Italian @ 2.44
19 64% South_Italian + 36% Polish @ 2.44
20 65.4% South_Italian + 34.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.46

[JohnnyP]

Closest populations to Macedonian samples from K13 Eurogenes.

Distance to: Vlach_North-Macedonia
3.91461349 Kosovo_Albanian
4.13471054 North_Macedonian
4.40844644 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
4.69486954 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.89497702 Macedonian_Southeast
4.89898969 Greek_Central-Macedonia
4.96505790 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.11829073 Bulgarian_Serres
5.21273441 Bulgarian_Central
5.35772340 Macedonian_Northwest
5.52200145 Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.58783500 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.63889174 Bulgarian
5.68591242 Macedonian_North
5.78089093 Macedonian_Central
5.80525624 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.81604677 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
6.05198315 Macedonian_East
6.09923766 Greek_Western-Macedonia
6.58057748 Turk_Kavala
6.67097444 Greek_Thessaloniki
6.71233767 Macedonian
6.78074480 Albanian
6.80893531 Turk_Alexandroupoli
6.91316859 Romanian_Oltenia



Distance to: Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
3.04304124 Greek_Thessaloniki
4.12563934 Albanian
4.19652237 Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.25675933 Macedonian_Southwest
4.25868524 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.37782276 Kosovo_Albanian
4.43430942 Macedonian_East
4.55782843 Macedonian_North
4.65229849 North_Macedonian
5.37954459 Macedonian_Central
5.56550986 Greek_Western-Macedonia
5.74221624 Bulgarian_Thrace
5.89966948 Turk_Thessaloniki
5.99549831 Bulgarian_Central
6.08809494 Greek_Central-Macedonia
6.16213437 Bulgarian
6.27110038 Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.28813963 Greek_Thessaly
6.39767145 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
6.57066968 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.59917419 Romanian_Muntenia
6.78658972 Macedonian_Northwest
7.05022222 GR_Macedonia
7.12199410 Macedonian_Greece
7.18315390 Turk_Kazanlik



Distance to: Macedonian_Southwest
3.15924042 Macedonian_North
4.09976829 Greek_Thessaloniki
4.25675933 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.66185585 Macedonian_Central
5.02448007 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.76001090 Bulgarian_Thrace
6.06340663 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
6.17955500 Macedonian_East
6.18271785 Macedonian_Greece
6.23677801 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
6.30572756 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
6.48039351 Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.60544472 Albanian
6.82198651 Bulgarian
7.03568271 North_Macedonian
7.06535208 Vlach_North-Macedonia
7.40735812 Kosovo_Albanian
7.42427774 Turk_Thessaloniki
7.44823917 GR_Macedonia
7.50503831 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
7.56697430 Romanian_Muntenia
7.58589481 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
7.59354989 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
7.66403288 Macedonian_Northwest
7.67506352 Vlach_Central-Macedonia



Distance to: Macedonian_Central
3.39344957 Macedonian_North
4.08871618 Pomak_Nevrokopi
4.21647957 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
4.26373076 Bulgarian
4.35011494 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
4.66185585 Macedonian_Southwest
4.81641983 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
4.93070989 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.10453720 Macedonian_Northwest
5.23766169 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.37954459 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
5.70092810 North_Macedonian
5.73589575 Macedonian_Greece
5.78089093 Vlach_North-Macedonia
5.80344725 Romanian_Muntenia
5.91104052 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
6.01015497 Macedonian
6.07820697 Greek_Thessaloniki
6.10578414 Macedonian_East
6.24330842 Bulgarian_Central
6.30284063 Pomak_Drama
6.78283864 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
6.84154538 Kosovo_Albanian
6.89912313 Bulgarian_Sofia
6.92061117 Bulgarian_Thrace



Distance to: Macedonian_Southeast
3.29390346 Turk_Kavala
4.38449541 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
4.76355959 Greek_Western-Macedonia
4.81640945 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
4.89497702 Vlach_North-Macedonia
4.94998990 Turk_Alexandroupoli
4.97567081 Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.15378502 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.16686009 Kosovo_Albanian
5.50280837 Greek_Central-Macedonia
5.50997278 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
5.60068746 Pomak_Drama
5.70684677 Turk_Stara-Zagora
5.91932429 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
6.08911324 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
6.12449182 Bulgarian_Burgas
6.18628321 Bulgarian
6.32576725 North_Macedonian
6.51545342 GR_Macedonia
6.59690079 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.66439044 Turk_Kazanlik
6.71253305 Turk_Dobrich
6.77084190 Turk_Thessaloniki
6.78689914 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
6.78785680 Turk_Drama



Distance to: Macedonian_East
2.85666436 North_Macedonian
3.05439028 Bulgarian_Central
3.68624470 Romanian_Muntenia
4.04357515 Macedonian_Northwest
4.22602650 Macedonian_North
4.30614677 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.43430942 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.62004329 Bulgarian
4.65929853 Macedonian
5.25514986 Bulgarian_Serres
5.33634707 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.44437324 Bulgarian_Southwest
5.55295417 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.78824671 Romanian_Oltenia
5.81792918 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.85799454 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
6.01155554 Pomak_Plovdiv
6.04218504 Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.05198315 Vlach_North-Macedonia
6.10578414 Macedonian_Central
6.17955500 Macedonian_Southwest
6.19881440 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.22010450 Bosniak_Sandzak
6.30938983 Greek_Thessaloniki
6.46869289 Kosovo_Albanian



Distance to: Macedonian_Northwest
2.42846628 Macedonian
2.43885219 Bulgarian_Central
2.58244071 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
2.77667067 Romanian_Oltenia
2.96374763 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
3.02676395 Bulgarian
3.29322505 North_Macedonian
3.30448181 Bosniak_Sandzak
3.67170260 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
3.68937664 Romanian_Muntenia
3.81811532 Montenegrin
4.04357515 Macedonian_East
4.06637431 Romanian_Transylvania
4.39600955 Bulgarian_Serres
4.80726533 Macedonian_North
4.83178021 Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.10453720 Macedonian_Central
5.21978927 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.31168523 Bulgarian_Sofia
5.35772340 Vlach_North-Macedonia
5.42708025 Romanian_Average
5.56587819 Bulgarian_Pleven
5.59657038 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
5.72762604 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.96480511 Bulgarian_Southwest



Distance to: Macedonian_North
3.15924042 Macedonian_Southwest
3.39344957 Macedonian_Central
4.22602650 Macedonian_East
4.40167014 Bulgarian
4.55782843 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.80726533 Macedonian_Northwest
4.84362468 Pomak_Nevrokopi
4.92740106 North_Macedonian
5.03795593 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.07430783 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
5.10643711 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.16157922 Romanian_Muntenia
5.29154095 Macedonian
5.44455691 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.45338427 Bulgarian_Central
5.51574111 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
5.53364256 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.57235139 Bulgarian_Serres
5.59035777 Greek_Thessaloniki
5.68591242 Vlach_North-Macedonia
6.15610266 Bulgarian_Sofia
6.29890467 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
6.45049610 Pomak_Plovdiv
6.59499810 Bosniak_Sandzak
6.93813375 Romanian_Oltenia



Distance to: Macedonian_Greece
4.32989607 Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.40205634 Pomak_Komotini
5.06688267 Pomak_Drama
5.09092134 Bulgarian_Thrace
5.36639233 GR_Macedonia
5.66901226 Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.73589575 Macedonian_Central
5.86059724 Turk_Drama
5.94042928 Greek_Thessaloniki
6.14166915 Turk_Thessaloniki
6.18271785 Macedonian_Southwest
7.03134411 Macedonian_North
7.10732017 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
7.10992968 Bulgarian
7.12199410 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.44545499 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
7.58841881 Turk_Xanthi
7.64189113 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
7.84520236 Macedonian_Southeast
7.87750595 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
8.06311974 Turk_Dobrich
8.34333866 Greek_Western-Macedonia
8.38536821 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
8.40746097 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
8.55883170 Bulgarian_Gabrovo

[bained]

Does your samples pick some swiss or italian on the single 0.25/0.5 ADC?

[JohnnyP]

Does your samples pick some swiss or italian on the single 0.25/0.5 ADC?
Some have Sardinian.

Target: Macedonian_Southwest
Distance: 0.8140% / 0.81398305
29.8 Pomak_Xanthi
25.4 Albanian
20.0 Bulgarian_Northwest
8.6 Sardinian
7.2 Pomak_Plovdiv
3.4 Greek_Thessaloniki
2.0 Greek_Western-Thrace
1.4 Latvian
1.2 Greek_Trabzon
0.8 Laz
0.2 Dai


Target: Macedonian_Central
Distance: 0.5982% / 0.59816219
40.4 Greek_Thessaloniki
13.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
10.8 Sardinian
8.4 Romanian_Muntenia
7.8 Latvian
7.0 Romanian_Botosani
4.6 Laz
2.8 Abhkasian
2.2 Erzya
1.2 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
0.6 Pomak_Xanthi
0.4 Greek_Western-Macedonia

Macedonian_East have Swiss_Italian.

Target: Macedonian_East
Distance: 0.5630% / 0.56296956
22.4 Pomak_Plovdiv
18.2 Romanian_Muntenia
15.6 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
10.0 Swiss_Italian
9.2 Greek_Thessaloniki
6.0 Bulgarian_Southwest
5.8 Greek_Western-Macedonia
4.4 Greek_Northern-Thrace
2.4 South_Polish
2.2 Sardinian
2.2 Pomak_Xanthi
1.2 Albanian
0.4 She

But noone on x0.25

[JohnnyP]

Does your samples pick some swiss or italian on the single 0.25/0.5 ADC?

Can you post K13 Eurogenes from Vahaduo?

[bained]

Can you post K13 Eurogenes from Vahaduo?

Distance to: Ned
3.39439704 North_Macedonian
3.48899699 Bulgarian_Southwest
3.62822271 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
3.69859433 Bulgarian_Central
3.76160870 Macedonian_East
5.38296387 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.57696154 Bulgarian_Serres
5.70208734 Macedonian_Northwest
5.90185370 Macedonian
6.07454525 Greek_Central-Macedonia
6.14895926 Bulgarian
6.17361320 Romanian_Oltenia
6.32275257 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
6.33091621 Romanian_Muntenia
6.44727850 Vlach_North-Macedonia
6.66528810 Kosovo_Albanian
6.75041480 Greek_Western-Macedonia
6.82836730 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
6.83467629 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
6.93015151 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
7.12012372 Montenegrin
7.19472029 Macedonian_North
7.25481909 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.33406436 Pomak_Nevrokopi
7.49975333 Pomak_Plovdiv

Target: Ned
Distance: 1.6603% / 1.66034246 | ADC: 0.5x
40.4 Bulgarian_Southwest
33.8 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
18.2 Macedonian_East
4.4 Friuli-VG
3.0 Bulgarian_Serres
0.2 Swiss_Italian

Target: Ned
Distance: 0.9237% / 0.92371465 | ADC: 0.25x
38.0 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
31.4 Bulgarian_Southwest
11.2 Pomak_Plovdiv
10.0 Swiss_Italian
5.0 Macedonian_East
3.6 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
0.8 Yemenite_Jewish

[JohnnyP]

Distance to: Ned
3.39439704 North_Macedonian
3.48899699 Bulgarian_Southwest
3.62822271 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
3.69859433 Bulgarian_Central
3.76160870 Macedonian_East
5.38296387 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.57696154 Bulgarian_Serres
5.70208734 Macedonian_Northwest
5.90185370 Macedonian
6.07454525 Greek_Central-Macedonia
6.14895926 Bulgarian
6.17361320 Romanian_Oltenia
6.32275257 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
6.33091621 Romanian_Muntenia
6.44727850 Vlach_North-Macedonia
6.66528810 Kosovo_Albanian
6.75041480 Greek_Western-Macedonia
6.82836730 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
6.83467629 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
6.93015151 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
7.12012372 Montenegrin
7.19472029 Macedonian_North
7.25481909 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.33406436 Pomak_Nevrokopi
7.49975333 Pomak_Plovdiv

Target: Ned
Distance: 1.6603% / 1.66034246 | ADC: 0.5x
40.4 Bulgarian_Southwest
33.8 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
18.2 Macedonian_East
4.4 Friuli-VG
3.0 Bulgarian_Serres
0.2 Swiss_Italian

Target: Ned
Distance: 0.9237% / 0.92371465 | ADC: 0.25x
38.0 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
31.4 Bulgarian_Southwest
11.2 Pomak_Plovdiv
10.0 Swiss_Italian
5.0 Macedonian_East
3.6 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
0.8 Yemenite_Jewish

Btw
Samples who score highest M12_Thracian; Macedonian_Central , Bulgarian_Pazadrdzik and Macedonian_Greece.
https://i.imgur.com/hROGaxs.jpg

Samples who score highest STR310_Germany; Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes,Bulgarian_Burgas and Bulgarian_Gabrovo.
https://i.imgur.com/ifdGGoA.jpg

Samples who score highest R970_Lazio ;
https://i.imgur.com/usVkfGT.jpg

[bained]

I don't have the MJ12, but all my friends do. And I have AED, which they don't posses.


Distance to: Ned
7.58159614 SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary
7.67220307 SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp
7.95602916 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
8.14158461 NW54_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
8.40565881 I4124_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4284_ybp
9.42774628 AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp
9.56970741 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century
9.63768644 R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy
9.87278076 R55_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
9.93372538 SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
9.94376186 STR310_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp
10.69829426 R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
10.71572209 R61_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
10.94588050 R105_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
11.41887910 SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp
11.51587166 I7043_Hungary_BA_4000_ybp
11.54190192 scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
11.63073944 STR535_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
11.74808069 I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp
11.75855433 scy305_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2254_ybp
11.87781546 R33_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
11.92279749 CL49_longobard_north_italy
11.94287235 scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
12.59824591 SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
12.86243367 scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp


Target: Ned
Distance: 2.8662% / 2.86617211 | ADC: 0.5x
40.8 R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
35.2 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
24.0 AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp

Target: Ned
Distance: 1.8379% / 1.83785370 | ADC: 0.25x
48.0 R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
28.6 AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp
20.2 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
3.0 vik_kal009_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp
0.2 MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645_

[JohnnyP]

I don't have the MJ12, but all my friends do. And I have AED, which they don't posses.



I have same first two SZ1.


Distance to: johnnyp
10.61983992 SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary
11.22632620 SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp
12.93133790 STR310_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp


I already posted MJ12_Thracian closest modern populations but again

Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest
9.01726677 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.06078915 Turk_Kazanlik
9.13724247 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.29006459 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.30448279 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.34142387 Greek_Northern-Thrace
9.56564164 Turk_Thessaloniki
9.65286486 Macedonian_Southeast
9.72789803 Macedonian_Greece

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[bained]

97502 Check the AED513.

[JohnnyP]

97502 Check the AED513.

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[Jana]

Full ethnic Macedonian from Jegunovce, close to Serbian border.

1 East_Med 25.35
2 Baltic 22.74
3 North_Atlantic 20.69
4 West_Med 19.55
5 West_Asian 8.65
6 Red_Sea 0.91
7 Siberian 0.9
8 Amerindian 0.67
9 Oceanian 0.3
10 Sub-Saharan 0.24

Single population sharing:

1 Bulgarian 5.81
2 Greek_Thessaly 7.23
3 Romanian 7.96
4 Serbian 11.46
5 Tuscan 13.6
6 Central_Greek 13.98
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.36
8 West_Sicilian 14.78
9 East_Sicilian 15.07
10 Ashkenazi 15.4
11 North_Italian 15.65
12 Moldavian 16.88
13 South_Italian 17.88
14 Hungarian 19.29
15 Croatian 19.47
16 Austrian 21.97
17 Italian_Jewish 22.38
18 Portuguese 22.39
19 Algerian_Jewish 22.4
20 Sephardic_Jewish 23.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 78.7% Bulgarian + 21.3% Ashkenazi @ 4.2
2 85.2% Bulgarian + 14.8% Italian_Jewish @ 4.38
3 85.2% Bulgarian + 14.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.39
4 84.9% Greek_Thessaly + 15.1% Belorussian @ 4.41
5 54.6% Italian_Jewish + 45.4% Ukrainian @ 4.42
6 84.7% Greek_Thessaly + 15.3% Estonian_Polish @ 4.44
7 83.7% Greek_Thessaly + 16.3% Southwest_Russian @ 4.48
8 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Lithuanian @ 4.49
9 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Estonian @ 4.53
10 56.3% Ashkenazi + 43.7% Croatian @ 4.53
11 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% Ukrainian @ 4.54
12 61.1% Bulgarian + 38.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
13 64.2% Ashkenazi + 35.8% Ukrainian @ 4.64
14 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% South_Polish @ 4.65
15 85% Greek_Thessaly + 15% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.66
16 87% Greek_Thessaly + 13% East_Finnish @ 4.68
17 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.71
18 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% Polish @ 4.71
19 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Finnish @ 4.71
20 88.5% Bulgarian + 11.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.73

[Jana]

Another full ethnic Macedonian, from Štip.
Both are fully valiadated by user Mingle btw, he spoke to them personally.

1 Baltic 25.75
2 East_Med 25.64
3 West_Med 19.65
4 North_Atlantic 16.95
5 West_Asian 8.49
6 East_Asian 1.77
7 Red_Sea 1.75

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 7.45
2 Greek_Thessaly 9.56
3 Romanian 9.99
4 Serbian 12.95
5 Central_Greek 15.69
6 Ashkenazi 16.6
7 East_Sicilian 16.72
8 Moldavian 16.85
9 Italian_Abruzzo 17.2
10 Tuscan 17.24
11 West_Sicilian 17.45
12 North_Italian 19.37
13 Croatian 19.51
14 South_Italian 19.75
15 Hungarian 20.63
16 Algerian_Jewish 23.5
17 Austrian 23.85
18 Italian_Jewish 23.89
19 Sephardic_Jewish 24.67
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 25.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 55.1% Algerian_Jewish + 44.9% Southwest_Russian @ 5.95
2 62.2% Ashkenazi + 37.8% Ukrainian @ 5.98
3 55.5% Algerian_Jewish + 44.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.07
4 52.9% Algerian_Jewish + 47.1% Ukrainian @ 6.09
5 61.1% Algerian_Jewish + 38.9% Lithuanian @ 6.09
6 57.3% Algerian_Jewish + 42.7% Estonian_Polish @ 6.17
7 69.8% Ashkenazi + 30.2% Lithuanian @ 6.2
8 64.4% Ashkenazi + 35.6% Southwest_Russian @ 6.23
9 66.4% Ashkenazi + 33.6% Estonian_Polish @ 6.24
10 64.7% Ashkenazi + 35.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.29
11 57.2% Algerian_Jewish + 42.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 6.35
12 66.3% Ashkenazi + 33.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 6.36
13 57.9% Algerian_Jewish + 42.1% Belorussian @ 6.42
14 61.6% Ashkenazi + 38.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.51
15 54.6% Ashkenazi + 45.4% Croatian @ 6.52
16 54.7% Italian_Jewish + 45.3% Southwest_Russian @ 6.53
17 81% Bulgarian + 19% Ashkenazi @ 6.54
18 79.9% Greek_Thessaly + 20.1% Southwest_Russian @ 6.55
19 67% Ashkenazi + 33% Belorussian @ 6.55
20 50.4% Ashkenazi + 49.6% Moldavian @ 6.56

[Ion Basescul]

Another full ethnic Macedonian, from Štip.
Both are fully valiadated by user Mingle btw, he spoke to them personally.

1 Baltic 25.75
2 East_Med 25.64
3 West_Med 19.65
4 North_Atlantic 16.95
5 West_Asian 8.49
6 East_Asian 1.77
7 Red_Sea 1.75

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 7.45
2 Greek_Thessaly 9.56
3 Romanian 9.99
4 Serbian 12.95
5 Central_Greek 15.69
6 Ashkenazi 16.6
7 East_Sicilian 16.72
8 Moldavian 16.85
9 Italian_Abruzzo 17.2
10 Tuscan 17.24
11 West_Sicilian 17.45
12 North_Italian 19.37
13 Croatian 19.51
14 South_Italian 19.75
15 Hungarian 20.63
16 Algerian_Jewish 23.5
17 Austrian 23.85
18 Italian_Jewish 23.89
19 Sephardic_Jewish 24.67
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 25.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 55.1% Algerian_Jewish + 44.9% Southwest_Russian @ 5.95
2 62.2% Ashkenazi + 37.8% Ukrainian @ 5.98
3 55.5% Algerian_Jewish + 44.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.07
4 52.9% Algerian_Jewish + 47.1% Ukrainian @ 6.09
5 61.1% Algerian_Jewish + 38.9% Lithuanian @ 6.09
6 57.3% Algerian_Jewish + 42.7% Estonian_Polish @ 6.17
7 69.8% Ashkenazi + 30.2% Lithuanian @ 6.2
8 64.4% Ashkenazi + 35.6% Southwest_Russian @ 6.23
9 66.4% Ashkenazi + 33.6% Estonian_Polish @ 6.24
10 64.7% Ashkenazi + 35.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.29
11 57.2% Algerian_Jewish + 42.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 6.35
12 66.3% Ashkenazi + 33.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 6.36
13 57.9% Algerian_Jewish + 42.1% Belorussian @ 6.42
14 61.6% Ashkenazi + 38.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.51
15 54.6% Ashkenazi + 45.4% Croatian @ 6.52
16 54.7% Italian_Jewish + 45.3% Southwest_Russian @ 6.53
17 81% Bulgarian + 19% Ashkenazi @ 6.54
18 79.9% Greek_Thessaly + 20.1% Southwest_Russian @ 6.55
19 67% Ashkenazi + 33% Belorussian @ 6.55
20 50.4% Ashkenazi + 49.6% Moldavian @ 6.56

Could be mixed. Those single population sharing distances are a bit high even in the closest pops. That's typical in mixed people.

[Pribislav]

Another full ethnic Macedonian, from Štip.
Both are fully valiadated by user Mingle btw, he spoke to them personally.

1 Baltic 25.75
2 East_Med 25.64
3 West_Med 19.65
4 North_Atlantic 16.95
5 West_Asian 8.49
6 East_Asian 1.77
7 Red_Sea 1.75

Single Population Sharing:

1 Bulgarian 7.45
2 Greek_Thessaly 9.56
3 Romanian 9.99
4 Serbian 12.95
5 Central_Greek 15.69
6 Ashkenazi 16.6
7 East_Sicilian 16.72
8 Moldavian 16.85
9 Italian_Abruzzo 17.2
10 Tuscan 17.24
11 West_Sicilian 17.45
12 North_Italian 19.37
13 Croatian 19.51
14 South_Italian 19.75
15 Hungarian 20.63
16 Algerian_Jewish 23.5
17 Austrian 23.85
18 Italian_Jewish 23.89
19 Sephardic_Jewish 24.67
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 25.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 55.1% Algerian_Jewish + 44.9% Southwest_Russian @ 5.95
2 62.2% Ashkenazi + 37.8% Ukrainian @ 5.98
3 55.5% Algerian_Jewish + 44.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.07
4 52.9% Algerian_Jewish + 47.1% Ukrainian @ 6.09
5 61.1% Algerian_Jewish + 38.9% Lithuanian @ 6.09
6 57.3% Algerian_Jewish + 42.7% Estonian_Polish @ 6.17
7 69.8% Ashkenazi + 30.2% Lithuanian @ 6.2
8 64.4% Ashkenazi + 35.6% Southwest_Russian @ 6.23
9 66.4% Ashkenazi + 33.6% Estonian_Polish @ 6.24
10 64.7% Ashkenazi + 35.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.29
11 57.2% Algerian_Jewish + 42.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 6.35
12 66.3% Ashkenazi + 33.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 6.36
13 57.9% Algerian_Jewish + 42.1% Belorussian @ 6.42
14 61.6% Ashkenazi + 38.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.51
15 54.6% Ashkenazi + 45.4% Croatian @ 6.52
16 54.7% Italian_Jewish + 45.3% Southwest_Russian @ 6.53
17 81% Bulgarian + 19% Ashkenazi @ 6.54
18 79.9% Greek_Thessaly + 20.1% Southwest_Russian @ 6.55
19 67% Ashkenazi + 33% Belorussian @ 6.55
20 50.4% Ashkenazi + 49.6% Moldavian @ 6.56

Southern Serb closer to Thessalian Greeks than to Serbs. :cool:

[Konstantinos]

Could be mixed. Those single population sharing distances are a bit high even in the closest pops. That's typical in mixed people.

In south Balkans there's more diversity, it happens in Greeks also a lot of times. Lack of proper references also.

[Jana]

Could be mixed. Those single population sharing distances are a bit high even in the closest pops. That's typical in mixed people.

He not, full Macedonian. Mingle is 100% reliable, he spoke to each of these kit owners and they told him their full ancestry.

[JohnnyP]

Full ethnic Macedonian from Jegunovce, close to Serbian border.

1 East_Med 25.35
2 Baltic 22.74
3 North_Atlantic 20.69
4 West_Med 19.55
5 West_Asian 8.65
6 Red_Sea 0.91
7 Siberian 0.9
8 Amerindian 0.67
9 Oceanian 0.3
10 Sub-Saharan 0.24

Single population sharing:

1 Bulgarian 5.81
2 Greek_Thessaly 7.23
3 Romanian 7.96
4 Serbian 11.46
5 Tuscan 13.6
6 Central_Greek 13.98
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.36
8 West_Sicilian 14.78
9 East_Sicilian 15.07
10 Ashkenazi 15.4
11 North_Italian 15.65
12 Moldavian 16.88
13 South_Italian 17.88
14 Hungarian 19.29
15 Croatian 19.47
16 Austrian 21.97
17 Italian_Jewish 22.38
18 Portuguese 22.39
19 Algerian_Jewish 22.4
20 Sephardic_Jewish 23.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 78.7% Bulgarian + 21.3% Ashkenazi @ 4.2
2 85.2% Bulgarian + 14.8% Italian_Jewish @ 4.38
3 85.2% Bulgarian + 14.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.39
4 84.9% Greek_Thessaly + 15.1% Belorussian @ 4.41
5 54.6% Italian_Jewish + 45.4% Ukrainian @ 4.42
6 84.7% Greek_Thessaly + 15.3% Estonian_Polish @ 4.44
7 83.7% Greek_Thessaly + 16.3% Southwest_Russian @ 4.48
8 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Lithuanian @ 4.49
9 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Estonian @ 4.53
10 56.3% Ashkenazi + 43.7% Croatian @ 4.53
11 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% Ukrainian @ 4.54
12 61.1% Bulgarian + 38.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
13 64.2% Ashkenazi + 35.8% Ukrainian @ 4.64
14 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% South_Polish @ 4.65
15 85% Greek_Thessaly + 15% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.66
16 87% Greek_Thessaly + 13% East_Finnish @ 4.68
17 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.71
18 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% Polish @ 4.71
19 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Finnish @ 4.71
20 88.5% Bulgarian + 11.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.73

Nice Thanks! Maybe you have kit number ?

[JohnnyP]

Southern Serb closer to Thessalian Greeks than to Serbs. :cool:

There is not South Serbs , thats all Macedonians.You can search you Serbs from Nish to Belgrade, coz even Vojvodina is Magyaria.
Makedonia do Nish.

[Jana]

Nice Thanks! Maybe you have kit number ?

Unfortunately not, user Mingle does but he is not active lately.

[JohnnyP]

Unfortunately not, user Mingle does but he is not active lately.

Okay thanks ,if you find more post here :D :rolleyes:

[JohnnyP]

Southern Serb closer to Thessalian Greeks than to Serbs. :cool:


Distance to: Macedonian_Stip
5.06071141 Macedonian_Southwest
5.21219723 Pomak_Xanthi
6.26019169 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.32555136 Macedonian_North
6.76306883 Greek_Thessaloniki
6.83114924 Macedonian_Greece
7.01255303 Pomak_Plovdiv
7.64916989 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
7.69362073 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.70300444 Bulgarian_Thrace
8.04086438 Macedonian_Central
8.20896461 Macedonian_East
8.22821366 Pomak_Nevrokopi
8.36995221 Turk_Thessaloniki
8.56858798 Bulgarian
8.66180697 Macedonian_Central_South
9.16522231 Romanian_Muntenia
9.30617000 Bulgarian_Sofia
9.33057340 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
9.37818213 Pomak_Drama
9.61405222 GR_Macedonia
9.69101970 Macedonian
9.69819055 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
9.78748595 North_Macedonian
10.06175929 Bulgarian_Plovdiv

Ok Hrvoje?

[Vojnik]

Unfortunately not, user Mingle does but he is not active lately.

This mingle guy is funny. He knows more about the Balkan’s then us. He’s Indian but has a lot of interest in us. It’s cool.

[JohnnyP]

https://i.imgur.com/ghbU0JQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yH819lh.jpg

[CommonSense]

This mingle guy is funny. He knows more about the Balkan’s then us. He’s Indian but has a lot of interest in us. It’s cool.

He's a Pashtun, not Indian. And he didn't have much interest to begin with, but focused on some other regions instead. The constant heated debates between Balkan users on other forums like reddit attracted his attention.

[JohnnyP]

MJ12_Thracian, Scy192 and scy197 on K13 Updated with added Macedonian references from this kits.


Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
5.00703505 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.91252061 Albanian
5.97580957 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
6.53342177 Greek_Peloponnese
6.98085955 Macedonian8
7.02896152 Greek_Thessaly
7.12562980 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.17814043 Macedonian2
7.25505639 Kosovo_Albanian
7.26464498 GR_Macedonia
7.48590008 Macedonian16
7.70387565 Macedonian13
7.72338920 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.77039253 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.82349027 Macedonian_Central3
7.88560714 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.89932276 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.90599772 Macedonian1
7.95900119 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.33160099 GR_Peloponese
8.77275897 Macedonian12
8.83684333 Macedonian18
8.84558647 MacedonianI-Z17855
8.86488015 Macedonian_Central
8.86873159 Macedonian_Southwest



Distance to: scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
3.90220451 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
3.92116054 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
4.25767542 Albanian
4.97490703 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
5.51688206 Kosovo_Albanian
5.74342232 Greek_Peloponnese
5.79906889 Macedonian2
5.96184535 Greek_Thessaly
6.05891079 Macedonian16
6.16894643 Macedonian_Central3
6.32176399 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.13965685 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.14249956 Macedonian8
7.19249609 Macedonian13
7.32984311 MacedonianI2a2
7.35713939 Vlach_North-Macedonia
7.42800108 Greek_Central-Macedonia
7.46892228 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.47608855 Macedonian1
7.66047431 GR_Macedonia
7.73618123 Macedonian18
7.76470379 GR_Peloponese
7.82357801 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.98338274 Greek_Western-Macedonia
8.18838201 Macedonian9


Distance to: scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
6.73601514 Albanian
7.29365478 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.64342855 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
7.81294439 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.00438005 Macedonian16
8.25502877 MacedonianI2a2
8.25900115 Macedonian2
8.32019831 Tuscany
8.67419160 Macedonian_Central3
8.75502142 Romagna
8.80964490 Kosovo_Albanian
9.00502082 Macedonian19
9.05566673 Macedonian3
9.07667340 Greek_Western-Thrace
9.21926244 Vlach_North-Macedonia
9.23403487 FrenchCorsica
9.45345440 Emilia
9.46202410 Tuscan
9.46972544 Macedonian9
9.53248656 MacedonianEV-13
9.54204381 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
9.55164384 Greek_Thessaly
9.57414226 Macedonian18
9.60281729 Greek_Central-Macedonia
9.68273722 Lazio

[JohnnyP]

Full Macedonian from my city (North part of Country - Torlakian) very weird results , low North Atlantic but high West Asian.

Population
North_Atlantic 19.40 Pct
Baltic 22.18 Pct
West_Med 17.73 Pct
West_Asian 15.66 Pct
East_Med 22.80 Pct
Red_Sea 1.27 Pct
South_Asian 0.15 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Siberian 0.35 Pct
Amerindian 0.05 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.2 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct



Distance to: Kumanovo
3.76961536 Pomak_Drama
3.85368655 Macedonian_Greece
4.22191899 Pomak_Nevrokopi
4.68581903 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.01283353 Macedonian_Southeast
5.05357299 Pomak_Komotini
5.10637836 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
5.29387382 GR_Macedonia
5.41125679 Turk_Drama
5.48049268 Turk_Thessaloniki
5.53138319 Macedonian_Central
5.59921423 Bulgarian
5.76300269 Greek_Western-Macedonia
5.78880817 Turk_Kavala
5.79456525 Bulgarian_Thrace
6.01293605 Greek_Thessaloniki
6.40344439 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
6.43473387 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
6.47126726 Romanian_Muntenia
6.62192570 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
6.73441163 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
6.84258633 Kosovo_Albanian
6.87104796 Moldova_South
6.94933090 Turk_Xanthi
7.04325919 Bulgarian_Burgas



Target: Kumanovo
Distance: 0.6297% / 0.62970501
28.8 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
23.8 Macedonian_Greece
21.6 Bulgarian_Burgas
7.0 Greek_Trabzon
4.4 South_Polish
3.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
3.0 Greek_Thessaloniki
2.6 Laz
2.6 Pomak_Xanthi
2.0 Belorussian
1.0 Latvian

[JohnnyP]

New Macedonian gedmatch from Tetovo (Northwest) - BW1528752.


Population
North_Atlantic 20.54 Pct
Baltic 22.38 Pct
West_Med 18.40 Pct
West_Asian 10.38 Pct
East_Med 21.89 Pct
Red_Sea 4.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian 1.16 Pct
Oceanian 0.74 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Y-dna from morley predictor.
https://i.imgur.com/hBurF9S.jpg

[JohnnyP]

Its very close to Macedonian user *****, also their Surname is same just sufix is different OV and SKI.


Distance to: TETOVO
1.80546393 Macedonian_*****
3.61984806 Pomak_Nevrokopi
4.06906623 Bulgarian
4.16458882 Macedonian_North
4.35014942 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
4.35959645 North_Macedonian
4.51532945 Moldova_South
4.63590336 Vlach_North-Macedonia
4.72545236 Bulgarian_Serres
4.75884440 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.76218437 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
4.83557649 Romanian_Muntenia
4.96447379 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.04105148 Bulgarian_Central
5.05902164 Macedonian_East
5.07908456 Greek_Thessaloniki
5.17640802 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
5.26358243 Macedonian_Central
5.31499765 Macedonian_Southwest
5.35217713 Macedonian_Northwest
5.50249864 Macedonian
5.57222577 Romanian_Wallachia_average
5.97301431 Albanian_Montenegro
6.08639466 Macedonian_Southeast
6.23261582 Pomak_Drama
6.25245186 Kosovo_Albanian
6.40136704 Turk_Thessaloniki
6.42242945 Albanian_Kosovo
6.45455653 Greek_Central-Macedonia
6.49097065 Turk_Dobrich
6.51705455 Albanian
6.60975037 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
6.63295560 Romanian_Oltenia
6.69399731 Albanian_north_Albania
6.69666335 Albanian_Macedonia
6.75273444 Bulgarian_Thrace
6.93660580 Greek_Western-Macedonia
7.03508351 Bulgarian_Sofia
7.12178348 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
7.17524216 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
7.26636773 Albanian_Albania
7.26766125 Montenegrin
7.30128756 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.30305416 Macedonian_Greece
7.39744551 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
7.43341106 Turk_Alexandroupoli
7.45635300 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.53426174 Romanian_Transylvania
7.65845285 GR_Macedonia
7.72148302 Turk_N-Macedonia

Ancient K13

Target: TETOVO
Distance: 1.6692% / 1.66915038 | ADC: 0.25x
48.6 R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
25.2 scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
9.8 Pazyryk_IA_Be11
4.6 MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645_
4.0 AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp
3.0 vik_kal009_Sweden_Viking.SG_900_ybp
2.2 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
1.6 Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
1.0 RISE480_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3550_ybp


Distance to: TETOVO
9.75914443 scy192_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
10.00002000 SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary
10.21695160 SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp
10.47964217 R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
10.64450093 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
10.96118607 STR310_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp
11.54786560 NW54_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
11.68126705 scy197_Moldova_Scythian.SG_1650_ybp
12.09895863 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
12.33136246 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century
12.47949919 SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
12.88440918 R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy
13.16600547 I4124_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4284_ybp
13.55704245 AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp
13.73372491 SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
13.74345299 R60_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
14.02342326 SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp
14.13255108 I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp
14.40098261 I7043_Hungary_BA_4000_ybp
14.51611174 R121_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
14.72491087 R55_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
14.77987145 scy305_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2254_ybp
14.79207896 R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
14.83494860 R61_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
14.84602304 scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp

[JohnnyP]

K15 pca for BW1528752
https://i.imgur.com/uDrvtt0.jpg

[Lioncourt]

K15 pca for BW1528752
https://i.imgur.com/uDrvtt0.jpg

Seems like he is very close to the average Macedonian.

[JohnnyP]

Seems like he is very close to the average Macedonian.

Idk what is Macedonian average , but this is fourth Nortwest-Northeast result same or very similar.
Also here's his look and MyHeritage results if you are interested.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321844-Classify-Macedonian-MyHeritage&p=6671063#post6671063

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian gedmatch kit from Macedonian dna project i think this guy live in Romania and its obviously mixed.
GEDmatch HZ2466853 - YFull T-Y10641, haplogroup T-FGC40334.
I posted once on another thread but i dont have it here.

puntDNAL K13

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Bergamo +50% Norwegian @ 3.231880


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Bergamo +25% Mordovian +25% Orcadian @ 2.172106


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
1 English + French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Mordovian @ 1.604690
2 Albanian + English + French_Basque + Mordovian @ 1.620358
3 Albanian + French_Basque + Mordovian + Scottish @ 1.637802
4 French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Mordovian + Scottish @ 1.641061
5 French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Mordovian + Orcadian @ 1.681345
6 French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Irish + Mordovian @ 1.703614
7 Albanian + French_Basque + Mordovian + Orcadian @ 1.723716
8 Albanian + French_Basque + Irish + Mordovian @ 1.754375
9 French_Basque + Greek_Thessaly + Mordovian + Utahn_European @ 1.773857
10 Albanian + French_Basque + German_South + Mordovian @ 1.796703
11 English + French_Basque + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.797726
12 French_Basque + Italian_Bergamo + Moldavian + Mordovian @ 1.843371
13 French_Basque + German_South + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.866844
14 French_Basque + German_South + Greek_Thessaly + Mordovian @ 1.869772
15 Albanian + French_Basque + Mordovian + Utahn_European @ 1.875856
16 Bulgarian + French_Basque + German_South + Mordovian @ 1.888799
17 French_Basque + Kosovar + Mordovian + Scottish @ 1.912324
18 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Mordovian + Norwegian @ 1.918748
19 Albanian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Mordovian @ 1.974646
20 French_Basque + Kosovar + Mordovian + Orcadian @ 1.980204


Eurogenes K13


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.1% North_Swedish + 43.9% Tuscan @ 3.86

K13 Eurogenes Ancient

Target:
Distance: 2.0488% / 2.04884859 | ADC: 0.5x
28.0 I5529_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4250_ybp
24.4 ANI163_Bulgaria_Varna_EN3_6577_ybp
18.6 R1224_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
17.2 R1288_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
5.8 SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
3.8 I4945_Czech_Bell_Beaker_4168_ybp
2.0 AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp
0.2 France_IA_COL153A

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian kit from Northwest - BW1528752 on K15 Eurogenes.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Macedonian_2 @ 4,327
2 100% Bulgarian @ 4,640
3 100% Gagauz @ 4,961
4 100% Macedonian @ 6,143
5 100% Albanian-Macedonia @ 6,201
6 100% Kosovo_Albanian @ 6,618
7 100% Romania_South @ 6,710
8 100% Albanian-Kosovo @ 6,860
9 100% GR_Macedonia @ 7,280
10 100% Bulgarian_Thracian @ 7,502

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Bulgarian_Thracian + 50% Romania_Se @ 3,430
2 50% Bulgarian + 50% Albanian-Macedonia @ 3,531
3 50% Romania_South + 50% Bulgarian_Thracian @ 3,535
4 50% Romania_Sw + 50% Greek @ 3,541
5 50% Bulgarian_Thracian + 50% Romania_Sw @ 3,594
6 50% Bulgarian_Thracian + 50% Montenegrin @ 3,640
7 50% Bulgarian + 50% Bulgarian_Thracian @ 3,726
8 50% Macedonian + 50% Bulgarian_Thracian @ 3,756
9 50% Gagauz + 50% Albanian-Macedonia @ 3,794
10 50% GR_Macedonia + 50% Romania_Sw @ 3,800

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Macedonian_2 + 33% Bulgarian + 33% Bulgarian_Thracian @ 3,064
2 33% Italy_West_Sicily + 33% Italy_West_Sicily + 33% Lithuanian @ 3,088
3 33% Bulgarian_Thracian + 33% Romania_Sw + 33% Greek_Thessaly @ 3,098
4 33% Italy_Campania + 33% Italy_Campania + 33% Lithuanian @ 3,205
5 33% Italy_Central_Sicily + 33% Italy_West_Sicily + 33% Lithuanian @ 3,216
6 33% Bulgarian_Thracian + 33% Albanian-North + 33% Bosniak @ 3,216
7 33% Italy_Campania + 33% Italy_Central_Sicily + 33% Lithuanian @ 3,258
8 33% Bulgarian + 33% Bulgarian + 33% Bulgarian_Thracian @ 3,297
9 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Greek + 33% Bosniak @ 3,297
10 33% Bulgarian_Thracian + 33% Albanian-North + 33% Romania_Nw @ 3,312



Edit: Also did DNA.LAND
https://i.imgur.com/51AawuI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3tjiaEE.jpg

[JohnnyP]

New Macedonian kit from Bitola but Family from Lerin (North Greece now) - A642815
And now i saw, its used for Macedonian_Greece reference on K13 Eurogenes.

Population
North_Atlantic 16.58 Pct
Baltic 23.42 Pct
West_Med 18.82 Pct
West_Asian 14.49 Pct
East_Med 23.78 Pct
Red_Sea 0.88 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.48 Pct
Siberian 0.25 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Central +25% Italian_Tuscan +25% Mordovian @ 1.849892

K13

Distance to: Lerin
4.32989607 Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.40205634 Pomak_Komotini
5.06688267 Pomak_Drama
5.09092134 Bulgarian_Thrace
5.36639233 GR_Macedonia
5.66901226 Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.73589575 Macedonian_Central
5.86059724 Turk_Drama
5.94042928 Greek_Thessaloniki
6.14166915 Turk_Thessaloniki
6.18271785 Macedonian_Southwest
7.03134411 Macedonian_North
7.10732017 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
7.10992968 Bulgarian
7.12199410 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.44545499 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
7.58841881 Turk_Xanthi
7.64189113 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
7.77897808 Albanian_Montenegro
7.84520236 Macedonian_Southeast
7.87750595 *****
7.99098242 Romanian_Muntenia
8.06311974 Turk_Dobrich
8.18235907 Moldova_South
8.34333866 Greek_Western-Macedonia


K15 pca
https://i.imgur.com/ehq8yWH.jpg

ALSO on EUROGENES K13 sample with name VLACH_NORTH-MACEDONIA-HIGHLANDER is Macedonian user ***** not Vlach.

[Kaspias]

If you have the regional breakdown for those samples we can update the Macedonian averages.


ALSO on EUROGENES K13 sample with name VLACH_NORTH-MACEDONIA-HIGHLANDER is Macedonian user ***** not Vlach.


His results are similar to the Vlach speakers from Gevgelija rather than ethnic Macedonians. Non-Highlander Vlach from Macedonia is Vlach speaker, you will see two almost have identical results.

[Renekton]

Lerin

Where is Lerin?

[JohnnyP]

If you have the regional breakdown for those samples we can update the Macedonian averages.

This new kit from yeastarday BW1528752 is Macedonian guy from Tetovo, but other idk.
There is many results with region but just posted on forum without kits.I will try to find the region of these Macedonian kits.

[JohnnyP]

If you have the regional breakdown for those samples we can update the Macedonian averages.



His results are similar to the Vlach speakers from Gevgelija rather than ethnic Macedonians. Non-Highlander Vlach from Macedonia is Vlach speaker, you will see two almost have identical results.

Thats not true, you can check all kits i posted , even this guy from yestarday from Tetovo is very close to him.

[Kaspias]

Where is Lerin?

Φλώρινα

[Kaspias]

Thats not true, you can check all kits i posted , even this guy from yestarday from Tetovo is very close to him.

Distance to: Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
3.66697423 Vlach_North-Macedonia -> This one is Vlach speaker

[JohnnyP]

Distance to: Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
3.66697423 Vlach_North-Macedonia -> This one is Vlach speaker

Yeah i know , so that means on this last kit Macedonian_Greece closest sample is Greek_Northern_Thrace you can write it like that if you want ? :)
Like on this thread from 28 kits i posted all of them have Vlach_North_Macedonia in first 10 closest , even few of them like closest...

[vbnetkhio]

ALSO on EUROGENES K13 sample with name VLACH_NORTH-MACEDONIA-HIGHLANDER is Macedonian user ***** not Vlach.

isn't he ethnically Vlach?

[JohnnyP]

isn't he ethnically Vlach?

No he is Macedonian.This is my point ,all Macedonian kits i posted here is in first 50 closest to Vlach_North_Macedonia , even ***** is not no1,other Macedonian kits are, so Vlach_North_Macedonia is not different than Macedonian result.

Distance to: Vlach_North-Macedonia
3.26291281 Macedonian14
3.35590524 Macedonian16
3.55574184 Macedonian2
3.66697423 *****
3.79058043 Macedonian3
3.91461349 Kosovo_Albanian
3.94906318 Macedonian13
4.02385387 Albanian_Kosovo
4.13471054 North_Macedonian
4.18132754 MacedonianI2a2
4.40844644 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
4.69486954 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.81666897 MacedonianEV-13
4.87131399 Macedonian10
4.89497702 Macedonian_Southeast
4.89898969 Greek_Central-Macedonia
4.96505790 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.11829073 Bulgarian_Serres
5.15262069 Macedonian7
5.21273441 Bulgarian_Central
5.35772340 Macedonian_Northwest
5.37985130 Albanian
5.40880763 Moldova_South
5.43513569 Albanian_Montenegro
5.52200145 Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.56659681 Albanian_north_Albania
5.58783500 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.63889174 Bulgarian
5.68591242 Macedonian_North
5.78089093 Macedonian_Central
5.80339556 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
5.80525624 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.81604677 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
5.90335498 Macedonian18
5.91021150 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
5.96690875 Macedonian8
6.00467318 Macedonian11
6.02793497 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
6.05198315 Macedonian_East
6.06240876 Macedonian4
6.08185005 Macedonian17
6.09923766 Greek_Western-Macedonia
6.19318173 Macedonian5
6.41039780 Romanian_Muntenia
6.45283659 Albanian_Albania
6.49358915 Albanian_Macedonia
6.58057748 Turk_Kavala
6.58719212 Romanian_Wallachia_average
6.66373769 Macedonian1
6.67097444 Greek_Thessaloniki

[Kaspias]

Yeah i know , so that means on this last kit Macedonian_Greece closest sample is Greek_Northern_Thrace you can write it like that if you want ? :)
Like on this thread from 28 kits i posted all of them have Vlach_North_Macedonia in first 10 closest , even few of them like closest...

Well, it is not the same thing, you know. ***** and other Vlach sample is from similar regions and have identical results. If I recall correctly he identified Vlach from time to time, 2 years ago while he was active in this forum. That's why he is in the SS.

Of course, we can correct it if something is really wrong here.

[JohnnyP]

Well, it is not the same thing, you know. ***** and other Vlach sample is from similar regions and have identical results. If I recall correctly he identified Vlach from time to time, 2 years ago while he was active in this forum. That's why he is in the SS.

Of course, we can correct it if something is really wrong here.

But you can see post above , even he is not closest to Vlach_North_Macedonia with all Macedonian kits, Vlach_North_Macedonia is same like Macedonian results, of course is wrong. :)
Btw i never saw he identified himself like Vlach.

[JohnnyP]

Where is Lerin?

i didnt see your post, its Florina.

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian kit from Bitola M000728.

Population
North_Atlantic 24.02 Pct
Baltic 22.65 Pct
West_Med 17.23 Pct
West_Asian 11.73 Pct
East_Med 19.19 Pct
Red_Sea 4.33 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.72 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.07 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

His father (with family from Lerin and Bitola) - UU3231267


Population
North_Atlantic 20.28 Pct
Baltic 21.94 Pct
West_Med 18.56 Pct
West_Asian 10.83 Pct
East_Med 24.93 Pct
Red_Sea 2.39 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.35 Pct
Amerindian 0.36 Pct
Oceanian 0.10 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.26 Pct



Distance to: Macedonian_Bitola_Lerin
2.66703956 Greek_Thessaloniki
3.57141429 Greek_Northern-Thrace
3.76676254 Turk_Thessaloniki
3.86445339 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.04604745 Macedonian_Southeast2
4.62109294 Albanian_Montenegro
4.73020084 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.86651826 Macedonian_Southwest
5.04073394 Bulgarian_Thrace
5.17597334 Pomak_Nevrokopi
5.21618635 Macedonian_North
5.27089177 Macedonian_East
5.50915885 North_Macedonian
5.65907236 Bulgarian
5.66993827 Albanian
5.75919265 Greek_Western-Macedonia
5.93994949 Macedonian_Greece
6.03857599 Albanian_north_Albania
6.12005719 Albanian_Macedonia
6.15382978 Kosovo_Albanian
6.15516856 Albanian_Albania
6.16546565 GR_Macedonia
6.17832502 Macedonian_Central
6.34753495 Albanian_Kosovo
6.49417431 Greek_Central-Macedonia
6.51763761 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
6.53283246 Greek_Thessaly
6.58698717 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
6.58836854 Albanian_south_Albania
6.62797858 Pomak_Drama
6.66913788 Bulgarian_Central
6.74431613 Vlach_North-Macedonia
6.77585419 Romanian_Muntenia
6.82641927 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
6.90748145 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
6.94159924 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
6.96323201 Albanian_central_Albania
6.96468233 Moldova_South
7.07792342 Macedonian_Southeast
7.10211940 Turk_Kazanlik
7.15371232 Turk_Alexandroupoli
7.26662232 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
7.28178550 Macedonian_Northwest
7.36081008 GR_Peloponese
7.41791595 Macedonian
7.42403529 Pomak_Plovdiv
7.56183179 Bulgarian_Serres
7.66594417 Romanian_Wallachia_average

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian kit with Ancestors from Pella and Bitola - AN7724719

Population
North_Atlantic 25.50 Pct
Baltic 20.04 Pct
West_Med 18.87 Pct
West_Asian 10.65 Pct
East_Med 19.83 Pct
Red_Sea 4.11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.59 Pct
Siberian 0.10 Pct
Amerindian 0.30 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Distance to: Macedonian_Bitola_Pella
3.44603123 North_Macedonian
3.90974424 Vlach_North-Macedonia
4.00088740 Bulgarian_Central
4.17512874 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
4.80493496 Bulgarian_Serres
4.98425521 Macedonian_Southeast2
5.09640069 Macedonian_Northwest
5.14810645 Greek_Central-Macedonia
5.41917890 Albanian_Kosovo
5.42276682 Macedonian_East
5.43600025 Kosovo_Albanian
5.55059456 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
5.60849356 Bulgarian_Southwest
5.62793923 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
6.11861608 Macedonian
6.15519293 Bulgarian
6.20050804 Moldova_South
6.25931306 Romanian_Oltenia
6.36348961 Romanian_Wallachia_average
6.39209668 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
6.47573162 Bosniak_Sandzak
6.50024615 Greek_Western-Macedonia
6.55638620 Montenegrin
6.61204204 Macedonian_Southeast
6.65734932 Romanian_Muntenia
6.72814982 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
6.86777256 Albanian_north_Albania
6.99607033 Pomak_Nevrokopi
7.02361018 Albanian
7.03985795 Albanian_Montenegro
7.05063827 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
7.15378921 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.18707868 Turk_Kavala
7.36167780 Macedonian_North
7.40905527 Turk_Alexandroupoli
7.52466611 Albanian_Macedonia
7.54350051 Romanian_Transylvania
7.74079453 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.97206372 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.16646802 Macedonian_Central
8.19980488 Albanian_Albania
8.24585350 Romania_Moldavia_South
8.52475220 Greek_Thessaloniki
8.55569401 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
8.60793239 Friuli-VG

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian kit with Ancestors from Pella and Bitola - AN7724719 mixed-mode k13.


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.4% Central_Greek + 42.6% East_German @ 1.51
2 69.1% Romanian + 30.9% Tuscan @ 1.58
3 63.9% Serbian + 36.1% West_Sicilian @ 1.66
4 54.3% Central_Greek + 45.7% Austrian @ 1.69
5 55.7% East_Sicilian + 44.3% East_German @ 1.74
6 68.1% Greek_Thessaly + 31.9% Austrian @ 1.75
7 61.5% Serbian + 38.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.79
8 78.2% Greek_Thessaly + 21.8% Swedish @ 1.89
9 52.6% East_Sicilian + 47.4% Austrian @ 1.9
10 78.6% Greek_Thessaly + 21.4% Norwegian @ 2.03
11 57.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.3% Croatian @ 2.1
12 75.9% Greek_Thessaly + 24.1% North_German @ 2.13
13 53.8% Hungarian + 46.2% South_Italian @ 2.16
14 71% Greek_Thessaly + 29% East_German @ 2.19
15 68.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.2% Polish @ 2.19
16 69.9% Serbian + 30.1% South_Italian @ 2.19
17 77.5% Greek_Thessaly + 22.5% North_Dutch @ 2.21
18 51.5% South_Italian + 48.5% East_German @ 2.26
19 63.3% West_Sicilian + 36.7% South_Polish @ 2.27
20 57.5% Serbian + 42.5% Tuscan @ 2.32

[Jana]

Would be nice if you made regional averages for Macedonia and send them to Vahaduo.

[JohnnyP]

Would be nice if you made regional averages for Macedonia and send them to Vahaduo.

Kaspias working on it i think , i send him gedmatches with region name..
But it seems , Nortwest kits is same/similar like Southeast and East kits are similar/same with Southwest.
I want to say regional for small country like Macedonia will not have some difference.

[JohnnyP]

Macedonians from Central part i think , without Gedmatch kits.

1.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.08
2 North_Atlantic 22.74
3 Baltic 18.12
4 West_Med 16.81
5 West_Asian 15.16
6 Red_Sea 2.54
7 East_Asian 0.97
8 Oceanian 0.25
9 Amerindian 0.24
10 Sub-Saharan 0.07
11 Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.35
2 Bulgarian 6.67
3 Romanian 8.08
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.01
5 Central_Greek 11.19
6 Tuscan 11.9
7 Serbian 12.15
8 East_Sicilian 12.72
9 West_Sicilian 12.74
10 North_Italian 14.69
11 Ashkenazi 14.9
12 South_Italian 15.39
13 Moldavian 18.29
14 Hungarian 19.93
15 Sephardic_Jewish 20.88
16 Italian_Jewish 21.14
17 Croatian 21.21
18 Algerian_Jewish 21.65
19 Portuguese 21.66
20 Austrian 21.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.26
2 76.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.6
3 61.4% Bulgarian + 38.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.8
4 54.7% Austrian + 45.3% Cyprian @ 2.83
5 80.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 19.6% Lithuanian @ 2.96
6 52.2% East_German + 47.8% Cyprian @ 2.97
7 77.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 22.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.97
8 56% Romanian + 44% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.98
9 79.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 20.8% Erzya @ 3.02
10 64.7% Central_Greek + 35.3% Hungarian @ 3.07
11 75.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 24.9% Ukrainian @ 3.1
12 78.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.6% Belorussian @ 3.12
13 65.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.5% Moldavian @ 3.13
14 78.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.15
15 74.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 25.3% South_Polish @ 3.25
16 74.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 25.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.26
17 59.2% Romanian + 40.8% Central_Greek @ 3.27
18 78.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.31
19 77% Italian_Abruzzo + 23% Polish @ 3.34
20 68.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.1% Croatian @ 3.36


2.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.27
2 East_Med 21.44
3 West_Med 21.03
4 Baltic 18.11
5 West_Asian 12.14
6 Red_Sea 1.9
7 Amerindian 1.12
8 East_Asian 0.82
9 Oceanian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.71
2 Bulgarian 6.29
3 Romanian 7.5
4 Tuscan 9.61
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.66
6 North_Italian 11.27
7 Serbian 11.52
8 Central_Greek 11.86
9 West_Sicilian 12.04
10 East_Sicilian 13.24
11 South_Italian 15.72
12 Ashkenazi 15.83
13 Moldavian 17.74
14 Portuguese 18.57
15 Spanish_Extremadura 19.06
16 Hungarian 19.35
17 Spanish_Galicia 19.49
18 Spanish_Cataluna 20.19
19 Spanish_Murcia 20.21
20 Spanish_Andalucia 20.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.3% Bulgarian + 38.7% Tuscan @ 2.21
2 62.7% Romanian + 37.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.72
3 66.5% Central_Greek + 33.5% East_German @ 2.77
4 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% West_German @ 2.78
5 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Irish @ 2.79
6 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% South_Dutch @ 2.81
7 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% Orcadian @ 2.81
8 86.1% Greek_Thessaly + 13.9% Southwest_English @ 2.82
9 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% Norwegian @ 2.84
10 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Southeast_English @ 2.86
11 86.2% Greek_Thessaly + 13.8% North_Dutch @ 2.87
12 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% West_Scottish @ 2.88
13 80.8% Greek_Thessaly + 19.2% Austrian @ 2.9
14 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% Swedish @ 2.94
15 85.4% Greek_Thessaly + 14.6% North_German @ 2.94
16 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% Danish @ 2.95
17 69.1% Romanian + 30.9% South_Italian @ 2.96
18 67.8% Bulgarian + 32.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.96
19 82.5% Greek_Thessaly + 17.5% East_German @ 2.99
20 59.8% Romanian + 40.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.04

[Lioncourt]

Macedonians from Central part i think , without Gedmatch kits.

These two seem to have some of the lowest Baltic for Slavs.

[JohnnyP]

These two seem to have some of the lowest Baltic for Slavs.

Yeah , that would be Central and West part of Country with lowest Baltic, also Southeast.
https://i.imgur.com/ra554Jc.jpg

[Lioncourt]

Yeah , that would be Central and West part of Country with lowest Baltic, also Southeast.

I have seen one Bulgarian result with such low Baltic, but it is exception, southern plotting Bulgarians have low North Atlantic instead.

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian from Stip.The reference Macedonian_East from K13 Eurogenes.


Population
North_Atlantic 23.40 Pct
Baltic 22.77 Pct
West_Med 19.90 Pct
West_Asian 8.95 Pct
East_Med 21.84 Pct
Red_Sea 1.13 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.77 Pct
Siberian 0.85 Pct
Amerindian 0.16 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.24 Pct

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian_Bogdanci:


Code:
Population
North_Atlantic 21.19 Pct
Baltic 19.31 Pct
West_Med 17.17 Pct
West_Asian 15.10 Pct
East_Med 20.65 Pct
Red_Sea 3.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.84 Pct
Siberian 0.59 Pct
Amerindian 0.29 Pct
Oceanian 0.95 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian Woman from Southeast

Population
North_Atlantic 22.16 Pct
Baltic 21.75 Pct
West_Med 19.60 Pct
West_Asian 8.44 Pct
East_Med 24.08 Pct
Red_Sea 1.94 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.14 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.89 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian from Ohrid ,Reference Macedonian_Southwest from K13 Eurogenes.

North_Atlantic 18.21
Baltic 23.02
West_Med 22.24
West_Asian 10.01
East_Med 23.19
Red_Sea 2.53
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.80
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[JohnnyP]

--

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian with ancestors from Northeast Village German and Skopje - A231427 .

Population
North_Atlantic 22.42 Pct
Baltic 22.28 Pct
West_Med 18.15 Pct
West_Asian 8.99 Pct
East_Med 25.37 Pct
Red_Sea 0.38 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.95 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.73 Pct
Oceanian 0.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Lioncourt]

https://i.imgur.com/vQW4cCW.jpg

So genetics are almost identical to geography.

[JohnnyP]

So genetics are almost identical to geography.
K13 PCA from ph2ter on all Macedonian kits and results.
https://i.imgur.com/3id53KY.png

[JohnnyP]

K13 PCA + Greeks.
https://i.imgur.com/QkJ59EQ.jpg

[Lioncourt]

Are Romanians, clustering with Macedonians and Bulgarians from Thrace, Vlachs?

[JohnnyP]

Are Romanians, clustering with Macedonians and Bulgarians from Thrace, Vlachs?

Yeah probably they are Vlachs coz almost all are from South.

[JohnnyP]

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[Lioncourt]

Another interesting thing is that except Plashiputak no Bulgarian is in the big Macedonian cluster, 2/3 are north and 1/3 are slightly south.

[JohnnyP]

Another interesting thing is that except Plashiputak no Bulgarian is in the big Macedonian cluster, 2/3 are north and 1/3 are slightly south.

I think Bulgarians lack of North_Atlantic and bigger West_Asian or just bigger West_Asian ?

[Lioncourt]

I think Bulgarians lack of North_Atlantic and bigger West_Asian or just bigger West_Asian ?

In Bulgarians, having higher North Atlantic than Baltic is an exception, while in Macedonians it is rather the norm. Macedonians almost always have higher West and East Med. Bulgarians usually have higher West Asian. It is all relative, as Bulgarians have bigger genetic diversity. As you can see, some plot with Serbs while some near Greeks. There is no tight Bulgarian cluster like there is Macedonian.

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian kit from Stip(East part) - HT3882691

Population
North_Atlantic 19.26 Pct
Baltic 23.57 Pct
West_Med 21.08 Pct
West_Asian 12.68 Pct
East_Med 20.06 Pct
Red_Sea 1.89 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Siberian 1.10 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.20 Pct

puntDNAL K13 - Because have Macedonian reference.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Macedonian @ 3.644688
2 Bulgarian @ 3.705733
3 Montenegrin @ 4.687677
4 Romanian @ 4.919025
5 Kosovar @ 6.907443
6 Serbian @ 7.018016
7 Albanian @ 7.701441
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.552234
9 Italian_Tuscan @ 9.063791
10 Bosnian @ 10.787857
11 Italian_Bergamo @ 11.430832
12 Croatian @ 12.913329
13 Moldavian @ 12.990457
14 Greek_Central @ 13.718620
15 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.814052
16 French @ 15.216401
17 Hungarian @ 15.744635
18 Spaniard @ 15.987313
19 Slovene @ 16.319752
20 German_South @ 16.487574

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazy_Jew +50% Slovak @ 2.862981


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Mordovian @ 1.238849


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Finnish + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.219619
2 Albanian + Albanian + Italian_Abruzzo + Mordovian @ 1.238849
3 Albanian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Mordovian @ 1.247161
4 Ashkenazy_Jew + Italian_Tuscan + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.273182
5 Greek_Central + Greek_Central + Italian_Bergamo + Mordovian @ 1.312055
6 Albanian + Ashkenazy_Jew + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.349188
7 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Mordovian @ 1.352098
8 Assyrian + French_Basque + Macedonian + Mordovian @ 1.380563
9 Albanian + Italian_Abruzzo + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.447578
10 Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.466291
11 Albanian + Greek_Central + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.469007
12 Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Mordovian @ 1.476412
13 Ashkenazy_Jew + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.478964
14 Cypriot + Italian_Bergamo + Mordovian + Serbian @ 1.485814
15 Italian_Sicilian + Italian_Tuscan + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.486889
16 Greek_Central + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.487451
17 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Macedonian + Mordovian @ 1.488721
18 Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.503178
19 Cypriot + French + Greek_Thessaly + Mordovian @ 1.532500
20 Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian + Spaniard + Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.535304

[JohnnyP]

New Macedonian Kit from Tetovo(Northwest) - H130030.


Population
North_Atlantic 23.21 Pct
Baltic 23.67 Pct
West_Med 19.11 Pct
West_Asian 10.68 Pct
East_Med 18.68 Pct
Red_Sea 2.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.58 Pct
East_Asian 0.47 Pct
Siberian 1.46 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[JohnnyP]

New Macedonian kit from Vratnica - North WX2259700.

Population
North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct
Baltic 22.74 Pct
West_Med 19.55 Pct
West_Asian 8.65 Pct
East_Med 25.35 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.90 Pct
Amerindian 0.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.30 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.24 Pct


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 6.718307
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.120649
3 Romanian @ 9.214750
4 Serbian @ 13.203517
5 Tuscan @ 15.330303
6 Central_Greek @ 15.833022
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.227892
8 West_Sicilian @ 16.603750
9 East_Sicilian @ 16.981371
10 Ashkenazi @ 17.480944
11 North_Italian @ 17.815399
12 Moldavian @ 19.444246
13 South_Italian @ 20.266491
14 Hungarian @ 22.224051
15 Croatian @ 22.397686
16 Algerian_Jewish @ 25.332230
17 Italian_Jewish @ 25.401142
18 Austrian @ 25.413536
19 Portuguese @ 25.675789
20 Sephardic_Jewish @ 26.125784

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.360181


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +25% Bulgarian +25% Ukrainian @ 4.590045


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
1 Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 4.574051
2 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Ukrainian @ 4.590045
3 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 4.634157
4 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 4.634172
5 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 4.681131
6 Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Polish @ 4.757778
7 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + South_Polish @ 4.771143
8 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 4.780813
9 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 4.786623
10 Algerian_Jewish + Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 4.788596
11 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish @ 4.811113
12 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Croatian + Greek_Thessaly @ 4.813096
13 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 4.818008
14 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Southwest_Russian @ 4.822585
15 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 4.827875
16 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 4.832442
17 Algerian_Jewish + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 4.833867
18 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 4.856512
19 Ashkenazi + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + West_Sicilian @ 4.861985
20 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 4.868021

puntDNAL k13

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 5.395772
2 Albanian @ 7.393777
3 Greek @ 7.472715
4 Tuscan @ 10.968935
5 Italian_North @ 11.478874
6 Italian_South @ 11.994309
7 French @ 13.768091
8 Croatian @ 13.887093
9 Hungarian @ 14.323102
10 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 14.832452
11 German_South @ 15.012466
12 Utahn_white @ 16.645319
13 Irish @ 16.836336
14 Sicilian @ 17.248894
15 English_South @ 18.462242
16 Spanish_Southwest @ 18.991674
17 Spanish_Northeast @ 19.206400
18 Turkish_Aydin @ 19.488287
19 German_North @ 19.661905
20 Czech @ 20.341438

Eurogenes K15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.66
2 Greek 5.99
3 Romanian 8.25
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.57
5 Serbian 11.27
6 Tuscan 11.54
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.73
8 Central_Greek 12.28
9 West_Sicilian 12.33
10 Ashkenazi 12.82
11 East_Sicilian 13.25
12 North_Italian 14.22
13 South_Italian 15.09
14 Moldavian 16.32
15 Austrian 17.17
16 Croatian 17.44
17 Hungarian 18.39
18 Italian_Jewish 18.94
19 Sephardic_Jewish 19.39
20 Algerian_Jewish 19.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84% Greek + 16% Belorussian @ 2.72
2 85.4% Greek + 14.6% Estonian @ 2.76
3 84.2% Greek + 15.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.82
4 83.2% Greek + 16.8% Polish @ 2.82
5 83.1% Greek + 16.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.85
6 85.7% Greek + 14.3% Lithuanian @ 2.85
7 83.6% Greek + 16.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.99
8 82.2% Greek + 17.8% South_Polish @ 3.07
9 84.8% Greek + 15.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.1
10 76.8% Greek + 23.2% Austrian @ 3.12
11 83.6% Greek + 16.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.17
12 85.3% Greek + 14.7% Finnish @ 3.21
13 77.3% Greek + 22.7% Croatian @ 3.23
14 85.2% Greek + 14.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.23
15 85.6% Greek + 14.4% East_Finnish @ 3.24
16 82.9% Greek + 17.1% Ukrainian @ 3.26
17 85.8% Greek + 14.2% La_Brana-1 @ 3.31
18 82.6% Greek + 17.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.39
19 78.7% Greek + 21.3% Hungarian @ 3.47
20 86.3% Greek + 13.7% Erzya @ 3.57

[JohnnyP]

https://i.imgur.com/SJDGdIm.jpg

[JohnnyP]

(North - Vratnica)
https://i.imgur.com/QX9blPE.jpg

[JohnnyP]

This kit i posted on first post but without region info.
Macedonian from West , but his family are Macedonians from Albania (Peskopeja) - T973440 .


Population -
North_Atlantic 18.21 Pct
Baltic 23.00 Pct
West_Med 22.25 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 23.18 Pct
Red_Sea 2.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.04
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.94
3 Romanian 8.63
4 Serbian 12.27
5 Central_Greek 13.5
6 Tuscan 14.19
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.63
8 East_Sicilian 14.69
9 West_Sicilian 14.97
10 Ashkenazi 16.04
11 North_Italian 16.12
12 Moldavian 16.85
13 South_Italian 17.66
14 Croatian 19.7
15 Hungarian 20.41
16 Algerian_Jewish 22.3
17 Italian_Jewish 22.79
18 Austrian 22.96
19 Portuguese 23.12
20 Sephardic_Jewish 23.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% Sardinian @ 4.4
2 83.4% Greek_Thessaly + 16.6% Ukrainian @ 4.46
3 87.5% Greek_Thessaly + 12.5% Lithuanian @ 4.48
4 85.8% Greek_Thessaly + 14.2% Estonian_Polish @ 4.49
5 84.9% Greek_Thessaly + 15.1% Southwest_Russian @ 4.55
6 84.7% Bulgarian + 15.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.58
7 85.9% Greek_Thessaly + 14.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.59
8 57% Bulgarian + 43% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.6
9 85.2% Greek_Thessaly + 14.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.62
10 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% Belorussian @ 4.62
11 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Erzya @ 4.62
12 83.2% Greek_Thessaly + 16.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.67
13 78.9% Greek_Thessaly + 21.1% Croatian @ 4.69
14 76% Greek_Thessaly + 24% Moldavian @ 4.71
15 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Polish @ 4.72
16 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.75
17 84.2% Greek_Thessaly + 15.8% South_Polish @ 4.83
18 88.2% Greek_Thessaly + 11.8% Estonian @ 4.87
19 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Ashkenazi @ 4.89
20 86.4% Bulgarian + 13.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.91


puntDNAL K13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kosovar 3.22
2 Albanian 3.79
3 Macedonian 3.93
4 Italian_Tuscan 4.34
5 Bulgarian 4.39
6 Greek_Thessaly 4.6
7 Montenegrin 6.94
8 Romanian 7.27
9 Italian_Bergamo 8.01
10 Serbian 9.12
11 Greek_Central 9.94
12 Italian_Abruzzo 10.09
13 Bosnian 12.92
14 Spaniard 13.26
15 Ashkenazy_Jew 14.43
16 Croatian 14.5
17 French 15.09
18 Moldavian 15.33
19 Italian_Sicilian 15.56
20 German_South 17.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 42.2% English @ 1.5
2 59.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 40.4% Orcadian @ 1.55
3 54.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 45.6% German_South @ 1.55
4 60% Ashkenazy_Jew + 40% Irish @ 1.61
5 58.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 41.1% Scottish @ 1.64
6 60.5% Greek_Central + 39.5% French @ 1.68
7 72.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 27.2% Norwegian @ 1.69
8 69.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 30.1% German_North @ 1.7
9 74.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 25.8% Swedish @ 1.72
10 63.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 36.7% Hungarian @ 1.72
11 59.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.8% Croatian @ 1.76
12 60.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 39.6% Utahn_European @ 1.78
13 52.6% Serbian + 47.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.78
14 55.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 44.6% Belgian @ 1.79
15 74% Macedonian + 26% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.79
16 64.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 35.6% Slovene @ 1.82
17 55.9% Italian_Sicilian + 44.1% English @ 1.82
18 64.6% Greek_Central + 35.4% Belgian @ 1.83
19 58.2% Italian_Sicilian + 41.8% Irish @ 1.84
20 60.8% Belgian + 39.2% Cypriot

[bained]

Another interesting thing is that except Plashiputak no Bulgarian is in the big Macedonian cluster, 2/3 are north and 1/3 are slightly south.

I'm Plashiputak lol. From central Bulgaria.

[Lioncourt]

I'm Plashiputak lol. From central Bulgaria.

I see, your results are similar to Macedonian, only slightly northern than average (a bit higher North Atlantic and a bit lower West Med).

My family lines are from Kostur and Ser that moved to Plovdiv after the population exchange. I'm doing my test after the situation with covid-19 normalizes, what I expect are results similar to the Macedonians, but who knows.

[JohnnyP]

I see, your results are similar to Macedonian, only slightly northern than average (a bit higher North Atlantic and a bit lower West Med).

My family lines are from Kostur and Ser that moved to Plovdiv after the population exchange. I'm doing my test after the situation with covid-19 normalizes, what I expect are results similar to the Macedonians, but who knows.

Do you some Macedonian ancestor ? Or you just quess :D ?

[Lioncourt]

Do you some Macedonian ancestor ? Or you just quess :D ?

100% of my ancestors actually. 4 villages around Kostur and Ser. But with Bulgarian identity.

[JohnnyP]

100% of my ancestors actually. 4 villages around Kostur and Ser. But with Bulgarian identity.

Like Macedonians but presented themselves as Bulgarians ,coz hate toward Macedonians in Greece?

[Lioncourt]

Like Macedonians but presented themselves as Bulgarians ,coz hate toward Macedonians in Greece?

Simply Macedonian Bulgarians. They moved to Plovdiv in 1920s.

[JohnnyP]

Simply Macedonian Bulgarians. They moved to Plovdiv in 1920s.

But im asking you actually are their true background are Macedonians , coz i dont understand what is actually Macedonian Bulgarians?

[Lioncourt]

But im asking you actually are their true background are Macedonians , coz i dont understand what is actually Macedonian Bulgarians?

Macedonian Bulgarians = Bulgarians from the region of Macedonia.

Villages are Blatsa, Visheni, Enikyoi and Kalendra.

[JohnnyP]

This is better pic from K13 PCA , im waiting for Ghegs,Kosovars,Macedonia-Albanians, if there is any :D
https://i.imgur.com/kFH2wWQ.jpg

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian kit from Australia - H602549

Population
North_Atlantic 26.57 Pct
Baltic 17.40 Pct
West_Med 19.09 Pct
West_Asian 10.32 Pct
East_Med 19.86 Pct
Red_Sea 4.94 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.08 Pct
Oceanian 0.75 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.63
2 Bulgarian 8
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.47
4 Tuscan 9.02
5 North_Italian 9.72
6 Serbian 10.38
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.65
8 West_Sicilian 13.01
9 Central_Greek 14.11
10 East_Sicilian 14.97
11 Portuguese 15.67
12 Spanish_Extremadura 16.36
13 Spanish_Galicia 16.59
14 French 16.94
15 Moldavian 17.34
16 Ashkenazi 17.36
17 Hungarian 17.55
18 Spanish_Murcia 17.56
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.57
20 South_Italian 17.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.2% Greek_Thessaly + 22.8% Southwest_English @ 2.19
2 51.2% South_Italian + 48.8% Austrian @ 2.22
3 78.3% Greek_Thessaly + 21.7% West_Scottish @ 2.22
4 78% Greek_Thessaly + 22% Irish @ 2.25
5 71.3% Greek_Thessaly + 28.7% South_Dutch @ 2.34
6 55.4% East_Sicilian + 44.6% Austrian @ 2.35
7 54.3% South_Italian + 45.7% East_German @ 2.36
8 77.6% Greek_Thessaly + 22.4% Orcadian @ 2.39
9 76.3% Greek_Thessaly + 23.7% Southeast_English @ 2.44
10 69.9% Greek_Thessaly + 30.1% West_German @ 2.44
11 67.4% Greek_Thessaly + 32.6% French @ 2.45
12 77.4% Greek_Thessaly + 22.6% North_Dutch @ 2.49
13 59% West_Sicilian + 41% Austrian @ 2.58
14 57.7% West_Sicilian + 42.3% Hungarian @ 2.59
15 53.8% Tuscan + 46.2% Serbian @ 2.61
16 64.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 35.4% East_German @ 2.61
17 62% West_Sicilian + 38% East_German @ 2.66
18 58.5% East_Sicilian + 41.5% East_German @ 2.66
19 54.7% Romanian + 45.3% Tuscan @ 2.68
20 78.3% Tuscan + 21.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod

[JohnnyP]

Macedonian from West part - Kicevo - T130034
K13 Eurogenes

Population
North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct
Baltic 19.78 Pct
West_Med 19.27 Pct
West_Asian 11.46 Pct
East_Med 21.06 Pct
Red_Sea 2.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15 Eurogenes


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 18.95
2 North_Sea 16.34
3 Atlantic 16.21
4 West_Med 15.58
5 Baltic 13.92
6 West_Asian 10.9
7 Eastern_Euro 5
8 Red_Sea 2.09
9 Oceanian 1.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.06
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.44
3 Romanian 6.99
4 Greek 8.26
5 Tuscan 9.24
6 Serbian 10.04
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.02
8 North_Italian 11.3
9 Central_Greek 12.1
10 West_Sicilian 12.75
11 East_Sicilian 12.95
12 Ashkenazi 13.26
13 South_Italian 15.19
14 Moldavian 15.57
15 Austrian 16.3
16 Hungarian 16.41
17 Croatian 17.1
18 Portuguese 17.16
19 Spanish_Galicia 17.28
20 Spanish_Extremadura 17.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52% South_Italian + 48% Hungarian @ 3.04
2 78.8% Greek + 21.2% Swedish @ 3.19
3 74.1% Greek_Thessaly + 25.9% Austrian @ 3.21
4 72.8% Greek + 27.2% West_German @ 3.29
5 80.1% Greek + 19.9% West_Norwegian @ 3.36
6 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% North_German @ 3.37
7 79.2% Greek + 20.8% Norwegian @ 3.43
8 83.7% Greek_Thessaly + 16.3% Irish @ 3.5
9 58.1% Central_Greek + 41.9% Hungarian @ 3.51
10 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% East_German @ 3.54
11 78.4% Greek + 21.6% North_Dutch @ 3.54
12 79.3% Greek_Thessaly + 20.7% South_Dutch @ 3.59
13 83.1% Greek_Thessaly + 16.9% Southeast_English @ 3.6
14 57% South_Italian + 43% East_German @ 3.6
15 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% West_Scottish @ 3.63
16 83.7% Greek_Thessaly + 16.3% North_Dutch @ 3.67
17 83.7% Greek_Thessaly + 16.3% Danish @ 3.69
18 62.9% Central_Greek + 37.1% East_German @ 3.71
19 82.9% Greek_Thessaly + 17.1% Southwest_English @ 3.72
20 64% Bulgarian + 36% Tuscan @ 3.79


K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/Kwj1DPD.jpg
Edit : This guy is from West part - Kicevo.

[Lucas]

Macedonian from West part - Kicevo - T130034

Edit : This guy is from West part - Kicevo.

This thread is very long. Are there posted any regional breakdown of those samples from OP?

[JohnnyP]

This thread is very long. Are there posted any regional breakdown of those samples from OP?

I send regional info for most of samples on Peterski and Kaspias.


Edit : No , im posting every day kits , coz im getting them day by day.
No posted from these kits on Vahaduo for Gedmatch.

[Lucas]

I send regional info for most of samples on Peterski and Kaspias.

Edit : No , im posting every day kits , coz im getting them day by day.

Can I get such info too? I add to Vahaduo for example to other calcs.

[Vojnik]

This is better pic from K13 PCA , im waiting for Ghegs,Kosovars,Macedonia-Albanians, if there is any :D
https://i.imgur.com/kFH2wWQ.jpg

Koj sum jas vo taa slika?

Bravo na rabotata sho imash naprajeno vo ova tema.

[JohnnyP]

Koj sum jas vo taa slika?

Bravo na rabotata sho imash naprajeno na ova tema.

Macedonian_Bitola,a tatko ti e Macedonian_Bitola_Lerin.

Blagodaram! :D

[Vojnik]

Macedonian_Bitola,a tatko ti e Macedonian_Bitola_Lerin.
EDit: Ti si so Romanci od Wallachia i Crnogorci no so naj juzni rezultati.

Toa mnogu me interesira. Tatko mi lezhi pojke so drugite Makedonci. Jas sum malce na strana.

Majka mi mora da ima nekakva Vlashka poteklo ili neshto slicno.

Eve se razlikite po megju mene i tatko mi spored lm genetics:

Tatko mi:
https://i.ibb.co/tpNkzvs/gene-map-2.png (https://ibb.co/YBKYX1k)

Mene:
https://i.ibb.co/wMv0G7D/gene-map1.png (https://ibb.co/9sM8KhR)

[Lucas]

Toa mnogu me interesira. Tatko mi lezhi pojke so drugite Makedonci. Jas sum malce na strana.

Majka mi mora da ima nekakva Vlashka poteklo ili neshto slicno.

Eve se razlikite po megju mene i tatko mi spored lm genetics:

Tatko mi:
https://i.ibb.co/tpNkzvs/gene-map-2.png (https://ibb.co/YBKYX1k)

Mene:
https://i.ibb.co/wMv0G7D/gene-map1.png (https://ibb.co/9sM8KhR)

I will update now K36 too.

[Kaspias]

Toa mnogu me interesira. Tatko mi lezhi pojke so drugite Makedonci. Jas sum malce na strana.

Majka mi mora da ima nekakva Vlashka poteklo ili neshto slicno.

Eve se razlikite po megju mene i tatko mi spored lm genetics:



Mayka vi ima Vlashki proizkhod ili prosto podozirate?

[Vojnik]

Mayka vi ima Vlashki proizkhod ili prosto podozirate?

Ne sum siguren, taka samo mislam. :)

[JohnnyP]

Mayka vi ima Vlashki proizkhod ili prosto podozirate?

No he thinks , because he clustering with Romanians from Wallachia and South Montenegrins ,probably and Gheghs/Kosovars, i think thats because he have high North_Atlantic.

[Lioncourt]

No he thinks , because he clustering with Romanians from Wallachia and South Montenegrins ,probably and Gheghs/Kosovars, i think thats because he have high North_Atlantic.

He is very close to Bained as well. Bained's town has interesting history, it'd be nice to see more people from there tested. As well as Bulgarian Catholics in the Plovdiv region, as their history is different from Bulgarian Orthodox.

[JohnnyP]

He is very close to Bained as well. Bained's town has interesting history, it'd be nice to see more people from there tested. As well as Bulgarian Catholics in the Plovdiv region, as their history is different from Bulgarian Orthodox.

K13 with more Bulgarians , only few clustering with Macedonians ,they more clustering with East and South Serbs?
https://i.imgur.com/XeC6hjZ.png

[Lioncourt]

K13 with more Bulgarians , only few clustering with Macedonians ,they more clustering with East and South Serbs?
https://i.imgur.com/XeC6hjZ.png

I see more clustering with Wallachian Romanians, which is typical for Bulgarians. Those who cluster with Southern Serbs are usually from Vidin-Pleven-Dupnitsa triangle.

Another Bulgarian, typical results, slightly elevated East Asian.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289463-Bulgarian-Gedmatch-results

[bained]

He is very close to Bained as well. Bained's town has interesting history, it'd be nice to see more people from there tested. As well as Bulgarian Catholics in the Plovdiv region, as their history is different from Bulgarian Orthodox.

Samples Hemus, Struma and Maritza (Grandparents from Kaloyanovo) are from Hisarya also. All Orthodox.
Gaida, Maritza and Iskar are all V-13 if someone cares about that.

[Vojnik]

Where can I see your results bained? gedmatch etc?

[bained]

Where can I see your results bained? gedmatch etc?

I posted some here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289464-New-Bulgarian

I deleted gedmatch, but if you wanna DM me to give you specific results from AdmixtureStudio.

[Vojnik]

I posted some here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289464-New-Bulgarian

I deleted gedmatch, but if you wanna DM me to give you specific results from AdmixtureStudio.

We have similar K13 results. Just that I have slightly higher Baltic, and you slightly higher east med. our top 4 closest populations are in exact same order (1: Romanian 2:Bulgarian 3:Serbian 4:Greek Thessaly).

[JohnnyP]

New 20 Macedonian gedmatch kits!


A642815 (J-M241)
T588417
T491975
T266350 - Bitola
YU3235195 - Lerin/Bitola.
T847009 - Tetovo
A083622 - Skopje
T973440 - Ohrid
EB9973324 - Bitola
HU7020765 - (I)
A673694 Veles
A530582 - Veles (R1b1a2a1a2a1b3)
M017434 - Skopje (l1)
A561844 - Bitola
GM5559315 - Skopje
BK9727857 - Struga
AV9652727 - Debrca
A972345
T370343 - Bitola
A561844 - Bitola

K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/LRkLH08.jpg

K13 Population %


A642815 (J-M241)
Population
North_Atlantic 16.58 Pct
Baltic 23.42 Pct
West_Med 18.82 Pct
West_Asian 14.49 Pct
East_Med 23.78 Pct
Red_Sea 0.88 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.48 Pct
Siberian 0.25 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct

T588417
Population
North_Atlantic 19.09 Pct
Baltic 22.54 Pct
West_Med 20.50 Pct
West_Asian 10.08 Pct
East_Med 26.25 Pct
Red_Sea 0.15 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.25 Pct
Siberian 0.20 Pct
Amerindian 0.06 Pct
Oceanian 0.87 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T491975
Population
North_Atlantic 21.69 Pct
Baltic 21.74 Pct
West_Med 19.39 Pct
West_Asian 13.15 Pct
East_Med 20.11 Pct
Red_Sea 2.26 Pct
South_Asian 0.89 Pct
East_Asian 0.53 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.24 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T266350 - Bitola
Population
North_Atlantic 23.82 Pct
Baltic 22.97 Pct
West_Med 17.22 Pct
West_Asian 12.01 Pct
East_Med 18.76 Pct
Red_Sea 4.42 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.59 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.17 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

YU3235195 - Lerin/Bitola.
Population
North_Atlantic 24.33 Pct
Baltic 21.25 Pct
West_Med 20.48 Pct
West_Asian 9.71 Pct
East_Med 20.33 Pct
Red_Sea 2.29 Pct
South_Asian 0.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.10 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

T847009 - Tetovo
Population
North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct
Baltic 19.78 Pct
West_Med 19.27 Pct
West_Asian 11.46 Pct
East_Med 21.06 Pct
Red_Sea 2.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A083622 - Skopje
Population
North_Atlantic 23.76 Pct
Baltic 19.21 Pct
West_Med 19.10 Pct
West_Asian 11.09 Pct
East_Med 23.30 Pct
Red_Sea 0.70 Pct
South_Asian 0.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.19 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.70 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T973440-Ohrid
Population
North_Atlantic 18.21 Pct
Baltic 23.00 Pct
West_Med 22.25 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 23.18 Pct
Red_Sea 2.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

EB9973324 - Bitola
Population
North_Atlantic 25.25 Pct
Baltic 22.57 Pct
West_Med 19.53 Pct
West_Asian 10.61 Pct
East_Med 17.69 Pct
Red_Sea 2.86 Pct
South_Asian 0.13 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.95 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.40 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

HU7020765 - (I)
Population
North_Atlantic 19.59 Pct
Baltic 20.90 Pct
West_Med 21.83 Pct
West_Asian 8.76 Pct
East_Med 24.55 Pct
Red_Sea 2.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.63 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.71 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A673694 - Veles
Population
North_Atlantic 24.31 Pct
Baltic 20.31 Pct
West_Med 21.45 Pct
West_Asian 12.17 Pct
East_Med 19.52 Pct
Red_Sea 0.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Siberian 0.85 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.36 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

A530582 - Veles (R1b1a2a1a2a1b3)
Population
North_Atlantic 22.62 Pct
Baltic 22.88 Pct
West_Med 20.21 Pct
West_Asian 13.14 Pct
East_Med 17.79 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.56 Pct
Amerindian 1.07 Pct
Oceanian 0.74 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

M017434 - Skopje (l1)
Population
North_Atlantic 22.24 Pct
Baltic 23.89 Pct
West_Med 19.33 Pct
West_Asian 9.05 Pct
East_Med 18.70 Pct
Red_Sea 4.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.70 Pct
East_Asian 0.49 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.36 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A561844 - Bitola
Population
North_Atlantic 22.72 Pct
Baltic 20.52 Pct
West_Med 20.91 Pct
West_Asian 11.13 Pct
East_Med 18.66 Pct
Red_Sea 5.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.23 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.50 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

GM5559315 - Skopje
Population
North_Atlantic 21.46 Pct
Baltic 23.20 Pct
West_Med 18.26 Pct
West_Asian 11.54 Pct
East_Med 21.98 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian 1.69 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.69 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

BK9727857 - Struga
Population
North_Atlantic 21.21 Pct
Baltic 22.44 Pct
West_Med 20.12 Pct
West_Asian 12.70 Pct
East_Med 18.16 Pct
Red_Sea 3.95 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.25 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A972345
Population
North_Atlantic 20.25 Pct
Baltic 23.88 Pct
West_Med 21.11 Pct
West_Asian 11.34 Pct
East_Med 19.73 Pct
Red_Sea 2.28 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.40 Pct
Amerindian 0.92 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T370343 - Bitola
Population
North_Atlantic 22.82 Pct
Baltic 18.87 Pct
West_Med 20.30 Pct
West_Asian 11.09 Pct
East_Med 22.37 Pct
Red_Sea 3.14 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African 0.20 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.69 Pct

A561844 - Bitola
North_Atlantic 22.72 Pct
Baltic 20.52 Pct
West_Med 20.91 Pct
West_Asian 11.13 Pct
East_Med 18.66 Pct
Red_Sea 5.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.23 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.50 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

AV9652727 - Debrca
North_Atlantic 21.29 Pct
Baltic 19.31 Pct
West_Med 21.32 Pct
West_Asian 11.33 Pct
East_Med 21.73 Pct
Red_Sea 2.49 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.31 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.22 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[JohnnyP]

I noticed Macedonian kits from West,Southwest,Central part have in 90% same or higher West Med from East Med.

[Mingle]

New 20 Macedonian gedmatch kits!


A642815 (J-M241)
T588417
T491975
T266350 - Bitola
YU3235195 - Lerin/Bitola.
T847009 - Tetovo
A083622 - Skopje
T973440 - Ohrid
EB9973324 - Bitola
HU7020765 - (I)
A673694 Veles
A530582 - Veles (R1b1a2a1a2a1b3)
M017434 - Skopje (l1)
A561844 - Bitola
GM5559315 - Skopje
BK9727857 - Struga
AV9652727 - Debrca
A972345
T370343 - Bitola
A561844 - Bitola

K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/LRkLH08.jpg

K13 Population %


A642815 (J-M241)
Population
North_Atlantic 16.58 Pct
Baltic 23.42 Pct
West_Med 18.82 Pct
West_Asian 14.49 Pct
East_Med 23.78 Pct
Red_Sea 0.88 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.48 Pct
Siberian 0.25 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.18 Pct

T588417
Population
North_Atlantic 19.09 Pct
Baltic 22.54 Pct
West_Med 20.50 Pct
West_Asian 10.08 Pct
East_Med 26.25 Pct
Red_Sea 0.15 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.25 Pct
Siberian 0.20 Pct
Amerindian 0.06 Pct
Oceanian 0.87 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T491975
Population
North_Atlantic 21.69 Pct
Baltic 21.74 Pct
West_Med 19.39 Pct
West_Asian 13.15 Pct
East_Med 20.11 Pct
Red_Sea 2.26 Pct
South_Asian 0.89 Pct
East_Asian 0.53 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.24 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T266350 - Bitola
Population
North_Atlantic 23.82 Pct
Baltic 22.97 Pct
West_Med 17.22 Pct
West_Asian 12.01 Pct
East_Med 18.76 Pct
Red_Sea 4.42 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.59 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.17 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

YU3235195 - Lerin/Bitola.
Population
North_Atlantic 24.33 Pct
Baltic 21.25 Pct
West_Med 20.48 Pct
West_Asian 9.71 Pct
East_Med 20.33 Pct
Red_Sea 2.29 Pct
South_Asian 0.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.10 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

T847009 - Tetovo
Population
North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct
Baltic 19.78 Pct
West_Med 19.27 Pct
West_Asian 11.46 Pct
East_Med 21.06 Pct
Red_Sea 2.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A083622 - Skopje
Population
North_Atlantic 23.76 Pct
Baltic 19.21 Pct
West_Med 19.10 Pct
West_Asian 11.09 Pct
East_Med 23.30 Pct
Red_Sea 0.70 Pct
South_Asian 0.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.19 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.70 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T973440-Ohrid
Population
North_Atlantic 18.21 Pct
Baltic 23.00 Pct
West_Med 22.25 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 23.18 Pct
Red_Sea 2.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

EB9973324 - Bitola
Population
North_Atlantic 25.25 Pct
Baltic 22.57 Pct
West_Med 19.53 Pct
West_Asian 10.61 Pct
East_Med 17.69 Pct
Red_Sea 2.86 Pct
South_Asian 0.13 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.95 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.40 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

HU7020765 - (I)
Population
North_Atlantic 19.59 Pct
Baltic 20.90 Pct
West_Med 21.83 Pct
West_Asian 8.76 Pct
East_Med 24.55 Pct
Red_Sea 2.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.63 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.71 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A673694 - Veles
Population
North_Atlantic 24.31 Pct
Baltic 20.31 Pct
West_Med 21.45 Pct
West_Asian 12.17 Pct
East_Med 19.52 Pct
Red_Sea 0.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Siberian 0.85 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.36 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

A530582 - Veles (R1b1a2a1a2a1b3)
Population
North_Atlantic 22.62 Pct
Baltic 22.88 Pct
West_Med 20.21 Pct
West_Asian 13.14 Pct
East_Med 17.79 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.56 Pct
Amerindian 1.07 Pct
Oceanian 0.74 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

M017434 - Skopje (l1)
Population
North_Atlantic 22.24 Pct
Baltic 23.89 Pct
West_Med 19.33 Pct
West_Asian 9.05 Pct
East_Med 18.70 Pct
Red_Sea 4.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.70 Pct
East_Asian 0.49 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.36 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A561844 - Bitola
Population
North_Atlantic 22.72 Pct
Baltic 20.52 Pct
West_Med 20.91 Pct
West_Asian 11.13 Pct
East_Med 18.66 Pct
Red_Sea 5.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.23 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.50 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

GM5559315 - Skopje
Population
North_Atlantic 21.46 Pct
Baltic 23.20 Pct
West_Med 18.26 Pct
West_Asian 11.54 Pct
East_Med 21.98 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian 1.69 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.69 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

BK9727857 - Struga
Population
North_Atlantic 21.21 Pct
Baltic 22.44 Pct
West_Med 20.12 Pct
West_Asian 12.70 Pct
East_Med 18.16 Pct
Red_Sea 3.95 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.25 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A972345
Population
North_Atlantic 20.25 Pct
Baltic 23.88 Pct
West_Med 21.11 Pct
West_Asian 11.34 Pct
East_Med 19.73 Pct
Red_Sea 2.28 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.40 Pct
Amerindian 0.92 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T370343 - Bitola
Population
North_Atlantic 22.82 Pct
Baltic 18.87 Pct
West_Med 20.30 Pct
West_Asian 11.09 Pct
East_Med 22.37 Pct
Red_Sea 3.14 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African 0.20 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.69 Pct

A561844 - Bitola
North_Atlantic 22.72 Pct
Baltic 20.52 Pct
West_Med 20.91 Pct
West_Asian 11.13 Pct
East_Med 18.66 Pct
Red_Sea 5.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.23 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.50 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

AV9652727 - Debrca
North_Atlantic 21.29 Pct
Baltic 19.31 Pct
West_Med 21.32 Pct
West_Asian 11.33 Pct
East_Med 21.73 Pct
Red_Sea 2.49 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.31 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.22 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


What's the sample at the far right at the bottom (northeast of Tuscany)?

[JohnnyP]

What's the sample at the far right at the bottom (northeast of Tuscany)?

Idk really , search with high north_atlantic and west med :D
Try this AV9652727 - Debrca - Struga Southwest.
A561844 - Bitola - Pelagonia
T370343 - Bitola - Pelagonia
A673694 - Veles - Central
Some of these.

[vbnetkhio]

I noticed Macedonian kits from West,Southwest,Central part have in 90% same or higher West Med from East Med.

Kosovo and Southeast Serbs usually have higher East Med, and other Serbs and Montnegrins have higher West Med.

[JohnnyP]

Kosovo and Southeast Serbs usually have higher East Med, and other Serbs and Montnegrins have higher West Med.

Yeah , Macedonian kits most of it have high west and also east med.

[JohnnyP]

This is results from mixed ethicities with Macedonians.

T433517 - Mother Bulgarian and Father Macedonian from (Mijaci tribe) from the Mijak village of Tresonche (situated on Radika river valley in Bistra mountain).

Population
North_Atlantic 24.61 Pct
Baltic 21.37 Pct
West_Med 16.20 Pct
West_Asian 14.04 Pct
East_Med 20.27 Pct
Red_Sea 2.32 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.11 Pct
Siberian 1.08 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A402373 Father Bulgarian - Mother from Macedonia - Pelagonia region.

Population
North_Atlantic 23.31 Pct
Baltic 21.07 Pct
West_Med 15.98 Pct
West_Asian 12.93 Pct
East_Med 22.03 Pct
Red_Sea 3.50 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.72 Pct
Siberian 0.40 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.06 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A024882 Father Macedonian - Mother Serbian

Population
North_Atlantic 21.12 Pct
Baltic 26.46 Pct
West_Med 16.72 Pct
West_Asian 12.33 Pct
East_Med 18.39 Pct
Red_Sea 2.29 Pct
South_Asian 0.93 Pct
East_Asian 0.75 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.82 Pct
Northeast_African 0.20 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Btw im Half Macedonian - Half Serbian from Kumanovo , i have similar results to last guy.

[JohnnyP]

Full Macedonian from Kumanovo (most North part of Country) - K13 Eurogenes reference Macedonian_North.


Population
North_Atlantic 20.21 Pct
Baltic 24.00 Pct
West_Med 21.25 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 21.18 Pct
Red_Sea 2.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[vbnetkhio]

Skopje Macedonians from the study "Standing at the Gateway to Europe - The Genetic Structure of Western Balkan Populations Based on Autosomal and Haploid Markers"
and the average without kit #1

https://i.imgur.com/VeuVsIT.png

the first result is outlying and very rare even in Serbia. Some others also seem more northern than the results posted here.
which of these could really be from the Skopje region?

[JohnnyP]

Skopje Macedonians from the study "Standing at the Gateway to Europe - The Genetic Structure of Western Balkan Populations Based on Autosomal and Haploid Markers"
and the average without kit #1

https://i.imgur.com/VeuVsIT.png

the first result is outlying and very rare even in Serbia. Some others also seem more northern than the results posted here.
which of these could really be from the Skopje region?

Also Lukasz tell me that he got academic samples with averages but without gedmatch kits.Idk about these results they dont seems to me Macedonian, last month i saw more than 100 Macedonian kits , i can tell you half of these results are not seems like Macedonian.But thats Skopje there lives everything , full of ex-Yugoslavs and yeah these Skopje results are from Skopje , two of them are full Macedonians and two are brothers.

EDIT : 34 Baltic - 28? Im half Serbian , i dont score these results :D

[vbnetkhio]

Also Lukasz tell me that he got academic samples with averages but without gedmatch kits.Idk about these results they dont seems to me Macedonian, last month i saw more than 100 Macedonian kits , i can tell you half of these results are not seems like Macedonian.But thats Skopje there lives everything , full of ex-Yugoslavs and yeah these Skopje results are from Skopje , two of them are full Macedonians and two are brothers.

EDIT : 34 Baltic - 28? Im half Serbian , i dont score these results :D

ah, so pretty much useless.
i have the samples on my pc, i run them trough AdmixtureStudio. i can send them to you if you want to upload them to gedmatch.

[JohnnyP]

ah, so pretty much useless.
i have the samples on my pc, i run them trough AdmixtureStudio. i can send them to you if you want to upload them to gedmatch.
What is useless?
Send me gedmatch kits from these results you posted.

[vbnetkhio]

What is useless?


this study. these samples are supposed to represent Macedonians, or at least Macedonians from the Skopje region, but they obviously picked a lot of admixed or completely foreign people





they aren't on gedmatch yet. i have their raw data files, i can send them to you.

[JohnnyP]

this study. these samples are supposed to represent Macedonians, or at least Macedonians from the Skopje region.


they aren't on gedmatch yet. i have their raw data files, i can send them to you.
So im trying this thread to be right , please next time when post results , post also kits with informations.Otherwise dont post if you dont have kits.
Thanks

[vbnetkhio]

So im trying this thread to be right , please next time when post results , post also kits with informations.Otherwise dont post if you dont have kits.
Thanks

i have them on my pc. it's 14 randomly picked Skopje Macedonians from this study (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105090) . what don't you understand.

https://i.imgur.com/2B4L6zB.png

i just wanted to compare them to your results from the Skopje region, and if they are good use them for the Macedonian_Skopje average. no need to get aggressive.

[JohnnyP]

i have them on my pc. it's 14 randomly picked Skopje Macedonians from this study (https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105090) . what don't you understand.

https://i.imgur.com/2B4L6zB.png

i just wanted to compare them to your results from the Skopje region, and if they are good use them for the Macedonian_Skopje average. no need to get aggressive.

First of all im not aggressive , second we dont know from what ethnicities these samples are taken i have Skopje Serbo-Macedonian kits with less Baltic, zero info im avoiding on purpose these kind of stuff ,you have Macedonian Txt folders i dont know if these guys are Macedonians and dont believe to these "studies", i have seen almost 80% Macedonian kits who existed outthere im pretty sure, me personaly have around 100,also i have around 15 Skopje gedmatch kits i never seen such a results , half of these results seems like Serbians from North or from Montenegro with high Baltic ,so again when i found Macedonian kit i make contact with owner and i take informations,otherwise im not accepting anything so again if you dont have gedmatch kits with informations dont post.
Btw i will make average Skopje i have 15 kits, you dont care.
Cheers !

[vbnetkhio]

i have around 15 Skopje gedmatch kits i never seen such a results

ok, that's why i heckin asked you. how could i have known that? i assumed maybe the first kit should removed, and the rest can be added to the Northwest Macedonian average. i didn't know they were that bad.

[JohnnyP]

ok, that's why i heckin asked you. how could i have known that? i assumed maybe the first kit should removed, and the rest can be added to the Northwest Macedonian average. i didn't know they were that bad.

I have 5 Northwest kits , no more than 23 Baltic almost all are with 22 and one 19.
Skopje kits no more than 24 , and Serbo-Macedonian kits from Skopje with 25-26, also i have from Kumanovo my friend half Serbian with 27, me half serbian 26.
I will not put in average Serbo-Macedonians,just for record just full Macedonians, also these guys are recognized theirselfs like Serbs even they are half Macedonians.
Just to make you clear, these Serbo-Macedonians clustering with Southeast Serbs.
If you dont have fully ethnical Macedonians with informations, dont post,fully Macedonian kits from any region are not even close to Serbian.
Dont get me wrong.

Edit : Regions like Skopje and Kumanovo have assimilated many Serbs thats not pure regions but mostly of these mixed guys recognized theirselfs like Serbs not Macedonians.
*Please i dont want to ruin this thread with more discussion.This is for Macedonian gedmatch KITs.
Thanks!

[Lioncourt]

Full Macedonian from Kumanovo (most North part of Country) - K13 Eurogenes reference Macedonian_North.


Population
North_Atlantic 20.21 Pct
Baltic 24.00 Pct
West_Med 21.25 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 21.18 Pct
Red_Sea 2.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

This guy has typical Bulgarian results, higher Baltic and lower North Atlantic. Are these typical results for the North, Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka?

[JohnnyP]

This guy has typical Bulgarian results, higher Baltic and lower North Atlantic. Are these typical results for the North, Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka?

I doont have many from full ethnic Macedonians from Kumanovo , i have from region close to Kumanovo and from Northeast Village German.
Region Vratnica close to Kumanovo

Population
North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct
Baltic 22.74 Pct
West_Med 19.55 Pct
West_Asian 8.65 Pct
East_Med 25.35 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.90 Pct
Amerindian 0.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.30 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.24 Pct


Village German close to Kratovo

Population
North_Atlantic 22.42 Pct
Baltic 22.28 Pct
West_Med 18.15 Pct
West_Asian 8.99 Pct
East_Med 25.37 Pct
Red_Sea 0.38 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.95 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.73 Pct
Oceanian 0.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Isn it Bulgarians score low West Med and higher West Asian than Macedonians ?

[Lioncourt]

I doont have many from full ethnic Macedonians from Kumanovo , i have from region close to Kumanovo and from Northeast Village German.
Region Vratnica close to Kumanovo

Population
North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct
Baltic 22.74 Pct
West_Med 19.55 Pct
West_Asian 8.65 Pct
East_Med 25.35 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.90 Pct
Amerindian 0.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.30 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.24 Pct


Village German close to Kratovo

Population
North_Atlantic 22.42 Pct
Baltic 22.28 Pct
West_Med 18.15 Pct
West_Asian 8.99 Pct
East_Med 25.37 Pct
Red_Sea 0.38 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.95 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.73 Pct
Oceanian 0.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Isn it Bulgarians score low West Med and higher West Asian than Macedonians ?

Yes, and also lower East Med.

These two have higher East Med and lower West Asian thaan any Bulgarian I have seen.

[JohnnyP]

Yes, and also lower East Med.

These two have higher East Med and lower West Asian thaan any Bulgarian I have seen.

Yeah these two results are pretty much same , one is from Northwest one from Northeast :D

[JohnnyP]

A964713 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece)
M737359 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2
T392632 - Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep.
XK5081727
M055584 - Veles - EV-13
M517367 - Veles
T308882 - Skopje.
H414329 - Tetovo
A735427
A872089
T130034 - Tetovo
NB2171591 - Florina - Skopje
ET3431273 - Florina - Skopje

K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/w1hstvu.jpg

K13 Population

A964713 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece)
North_Atlantic 20.55 Pct
Baltic 23.19 Pct
West_Med 20.18 Pct
West_Asian 10.94 Pct
East_Med 21.36 Pct
Red_Sea 2.44 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.71 Pct
Amerindian 0.31 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.32 Pct

M737359 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2
North_Atlantic 22.02 Pct
Baltic 21.71 Pct
West_Med 21.32 Pct
West_Asian 9.84 Pct
East_Med 21.69 Pct
Red_Sea 2.18 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.43 Pct
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.70 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T392632 - Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep.
North_Atlantic 21.83 Pct
Baltic 20.04 Pct
West_Med 23.42 Pct
West_Asian 12.14 Pct
East_Med 17.98 Pct
Red_Sea 2.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.06 Pct
East_Asian 0.65 Pct
Siberian 0.08 Pct
Amerindian 0.30 Pct
Oceanian 0.97 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.36 Pct

XK5081727
North_Atlantic 23.01 Pct
Baltic 21.19 Pct
West_Med 19.89 Pct
West_Asian 9.14 Pct
East_Med 24.69 Pct
Red_Sea 0.98 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.85 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.27 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

M055584 - Veles - EV-13
North_Atlantic 20.74 Pct
Baltic 23.68 Pct
West_Med 18.62 Pct
West_Asian 13.68 Pct
East_Med 20.18 Pct
Red_Sea 0.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.58 Pct
Siberian 0.93 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

M517367 - Veles
North_Atlantic 23.34 Pct
Baltic 19.96 Pct
West_Med 20.68 Pct
West_Asian 12.16 Pct
East_Med 20.73 Pct
Red_Sea 1.73 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Amerindian 0.07 Pct
Oceanian 1.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T308882 - Skopje.
North_Atlantic 20.76 Pct
Baltic 24.41 Pct
West_Med 19.04 Pct
West_Asian 9.91 Pct
East_Med 19.38 Pct
Red_Sea 4.89 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.06 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.70 Pct
Oceanian 0.86 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

H414329 - Tetovo
North_Atlantic 22.37 Pct
Baltic 24.61 Pct
West_Med 17.96 Pct
West_Asian 12.79 Pct
East_Med 17.02 Pct
Red_Sea 4.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.37 Pct

A735427
North_Atlantic 22.39 Pct
Baltic 19.09 Pct
West_Med 20.37 Pct
West_Asian 11.30 Pct
East_Med 22.76 Pct
Red_Sea 2.82 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.81 Pct
Amerindian 0.46 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A872089
North_Atlantic 17.12 Pct
Baltic 21.26 Pct
West_Med 23.19 Pct
West_Asian 13.10 Pct
East_Med 20.69 Pct
Red_Sea 2.95 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Amerindian 0.71 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

T130034 - Tetovo
North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct
Baltic 19.78 Pct
West_Med 19.27 Pct
West_Asian 11.46 Pct
East_Med 21.06 Pct
Red_Sea 2.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

NB2171591 - Florina - Skopje
North_Atlantic 21.99 Pct
Baltic 21.43 Pct
West_Med 18.89 Pct
West_Asian 9.32 Pct
East_Med 24.39 Pct
Red_Sea 2.60 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Amerindian 0.68 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

ET3431273 - Florina - Skopje
North_Atlantic 25.16 Pct
Baltic 20.40 Pct
West_Med 16.41 Pct
West_Asian 8.82 Pct
East_Med 26.46 Pct
Red_Sea 1.98 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.54 Pct
Oceanian 0.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Lioncourt]

Samples Hemus, Struma and Maritza (Grandparents from Kaloyanovo) are from Hisarya also. All Orthodox.
Gaida, Maritza and Iskar are all V-13 if someone cares about that.

Very interesting. Struma is maybe the most western ploting Bulgarian I've seen. Hemus as well is more western than average.

[Vojnik]

A964713 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece)
M737359 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2
T392632 - Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep.
XK5081727
M055584 - Veles - EV-13
M517367 - Veles
T308882 - Skopje.
H414329 - Tetovo
A735427
A872089
T130034 - Tetovo
NB2171591 - Florina - Skopje
ET3431273 - Florina - Skopje

K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/w1hstvu.jpg

K13 Population

A964713 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece)
North_Atlantic 20.55 Pct
Baltic 23.19 Pct
West_Med 20.18 Pct
West_Asian 10.94 Pct
East_Med 21.36 Pct
Red_Sea 2.44 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.71 Pct
Amerindian 0.31 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.32 Pct

M737359 - Zhelevo - Gorno Vrbeni (Northwest Greece) - I2a2
North_Atlantic 22.02 Pct
Baltic 21.71 Pct
West_Med 21.32 Pct
West_Asian 9.84 Pct
East_Med 21.69 Pct
Red_Sea 2.18 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.43 Pct
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.70 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T392632 - Zhelevo(Northwest Greece) - Prilep.
North_Atlantic 21.83 Pct
Baltic 20.04 Pct
West_Med 23.42 Pct
West_Asian 12.14 Pct
East_Med 17.98 Pct
Red_Sea 2.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.06 Pct
East_Asian 0.65 Pct
Siberian 0.08 Pct
Amerindian 0.30 Pct
Oceanian 0.97 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.36 Pct

XK5081727
North_Atlantic 23.01 Pct
Baltic 21.19 Pct
West_Med 19.89 Pct
West_Asian 9.14 Pct
East_Med 24.69 Pct
Red_Sea 0.98 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.85 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.27 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

M055584 - Veles - EV-13
North_Atlantic 20.74 Pct
Baltic 23.68 Pct
West_Med 18.62 Pct
West_Asian 13.68 Pct
East_Med 20.18 Pct
Red_Sea 0.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.58 Pct
Siberian 0.93 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

M517367 - Veles
North_Atlantic 23.34 Pct
Baltic 19.96 Pct
West_Med 20.68 Pct
West_Asian 12.16 Pct
East_Med 20.73 Pct
Red_Sea 1.73 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Amerindian 0.07 Pct
Oceanian 1.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T308882 - Skopje.
North_Atlantic 20.76 Pct
Baltic 24.41 Pct
West_Med 19.04 Pct
West_Asian 9.91 Pct
East_Med 19.38 Pct
Red_Sea 4.89 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.06 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.70 Pct
Oceanian 0.86 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

H414329 - Tetovo
North_Atlantic 22.37 Pct
Baltic 24.61 Pct
West_Med 17.96 Pct
West_Asian 12.79 Pct
East_Med 17.02 Pct
Red_Sea 4.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.37 Pct

A735427
North_Atlantic 22.39 Pct
Baltic 19.09 Pct
West_Med 20.37 Pct
West_Asian 11.30 Pct
East_Med 22.76 Pct
Red_Sea 2.82 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.81 Pct
Amerindian 0.46 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A872089
North_Atlantic 17.12 Pct
Baltic 21.26 Pct
West_Med 23.19 Pct
West_Asian 13.10 Pct
East_Med 20.69 Pct
Red_Sea 2.95 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Amerindian 0.71 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

T130034 - Tetovo
North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct
Baltic 19.78 Pct
West_Med 19.27 Pct
West_Asian 11.46 Pct
East_Med 21.06 Pct
Red_Sea 2.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

NB2171591 - Florina - Skopje
North_Atlantic 21.99 Pct
Baltic 21.43 Pct
West_Med 18.89 Pct
West_Asian 9.32 Pct
East_Med 24.39 Pct
Red_Sea 2.60 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Amerindian 0.68 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

ET3431273 - Florina - Skopje
North_Atlantic 25.16 Pct
Baltic 20.40 Pct
West_Med 16.41 Pct
West_Asian 8.82 Pct
East_Med 26.46 Pct
Red_Sea 1.98 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.54 Pct
Oceanian 0.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Who's the one sitting to the closest left hand side of the Bulgarian average, just above the 'B'? That person is literally smack bang on my position.

And are the Skopje - Florina samples people with ancestry from Lerin?

[Jana]

can you rank these groups in order according to who is genetically closest to slavophone Macedonians?

Bulgarians
Macedonian Greeks
Aromanians/Vlachs
SE Serbs
Albanians
Wallachian/Dobrogean Romanians

[Vojnik]

can you rank these groups in order according to who is genetically closest to slavophone Macedonians?

Bulgarians
Macedonian Greeks
Aromanians/Vlachs
SE Serbs
Albanians

I'd guess North Greeks of Slavic Macedonian ancestry (Grkomani) are closest. But ill leave it to the boss here.

[JohnnyP]

Who's the one sitting to the closest left hand side of the Bulgarian average, just above the 'B'? That person is literally smack bang on my position.

And are the Skopje - Florina samples people with ancestry from Lerin?

Yeah one of the Skopje-Lerin i think.

[JohnnyP]

can you rank these groups in order according to who is genetically closest to slavophone Macedonians?

Bulgarians
Macedonian Greeks
Aromanians/Vlachs
SE Serbs
Albanians
Wallachian/Dobrogean Romanians

From first 30 kits i posted Lincourt made average of Ghegs ,Romanians from Wallachia,Bulgarians and Macedonians ;

North Atlantic:

1. Ghegs 22.73
2. Macedonians 21.80
3. Bulgarians 21.75
4. Romanians 21.23

Baltic:

1. Bulgarians 24.06
2. Romanians 23.89
3. Macedonians 21.50
4. Ghegs 18.81

West Med:

1. Ghegs 21.39
2. Macedonians 19.69
3. Bulgarians 17.91
4. Romanians 17.23

West Asian:

1. Romanians 12.01
2. Bulgarians 11.91
3. Macedonians 10.97
4. Ghegs 10.51

East Med:

1. Ghegs 22.34
2. Macedonians 21.62
3. Bulgarians 20.12
4. Romanians 19.62


Red Sea:

1. Ghegs 2.67
2. Romanians 2.34
3. Macedonians 2.33
4. Bulgarians 1.93


East Asian:

1. Bulgarians 0.52
2. Romanians 0.50
3. Macedonians 0.39


Siberian:

1. Romanians 1.06
2. Macedonians 0.56
3. Bulgarians 0.43

I can say City like Kumanovo (North part close to Serbian border) which is Half Macedonian population mixed with Serbs there , i would say Half Kumanovo population clustering with SouthSerbs half with other Macedonians.
Everything West/South/East from Skopje regions/Cities are close to North part of country called Greece , Ghegs and to some Bulgarians ,because in general Macedonians plot West/Southwest/South or Northwest from Average Bulgaria on K15 PCA and most of Bulgarians plots East/Northeast/Southeast, from what i saw.

Btw I will make average with all kits , but thats alot of work i have close to 80-100 kits.

[CommonSense]

From first 30 kits i posted Lincourt made average of Ghegs ,Romanians from Wallachia,Bulgarians and Macedonians ;

North Atlantic:

1. Ghegs 22.73
2. Macedonians 21.80
3. Bulgarians 21.75
4. Romanians 21.23

Baltic:

1. Bulgarians 24.06
2. Romanians 23.89
3. Macedonians 21.50
4. Ghegs 18.81

West Med:

1. Ghegs 21.39
2. Macedonians 19.69
3. Bulgarians 17.91
4. Romanians 17.23

West Asian:

1. Romanians 12.01
2. Bulgarians 11.91
3. Macedonians 10.97
4. Ghegs 10.51

East Med:

1. Ghegs 22.34
2. Macedonians 21.62
3. Bulgarians 20.12
4. Romanians 19.62


Red Sea:

1. Ghegs 2.67
2. Romanians 2.34
3. Macedonians 2.33
4. Bulgarians 1.93


East Asian:

1. Bulgarians 0.52
2. Romanians 0.50
3. Macedonians 0.39


Siberian:

1. Romanians 1.06
2. Macedonians 0.56
3. Bulgarians 0.43

I can say City like Kumanovo (North part close to Serbian border) which is Half Macedonian population mixed with Serbs there , i would say Half Kumanovo population clustering with SouthSerbs half with other Macedonians.
Everything West/South/East from Skopje regions/Cities are close to North part of country called Greece , Ghegs and to some Bulgarians ,because in general Macedonians plot West/Southwest/South or Northwest from Average Bulgaria on K15 PCA and most of Bulgarians plots East/Northeast/Southeast, from what i saw.

Btw I will make average with all kits , but thats alot of work i have close to 80-100 kits.

Do you have any kits specifically from the Kumanovo municipality?

[JohnnyP]

Do you have any kits specifically from the Kumanovo municipality?

Specific kit no , there is Macedonian_North from K13 Updated is Macedonian from Kumanovo you can ask Kaspias.

Population
North_Atlantic 20.21 Pct
Baltic 24.00 Pct
West_Med 21.25 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 21.18 Pct
Red_Sea 2.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

I have from region between Kumanovo and Tetovo and one kit between Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka/Kratovo.

[JohnnyP]

Who's the one sitting to the closest left hand side of the Bulgarian average, just above the 'B'? That person is literally smack bang on my position.

And are the Skopje - Florina samples people with ancestry from Lerin?

Btw yeah thats two sisters , with mother from Florina and Father from Skopje.

[CommonSense]

Specific kit no , there is Macedonian_North from K13 Updated is Macedonian from Kumanovo you can ask Kaspias.

Population
North_Atlantic 20.21 Pct
Baltic 24.00 Pct
West_Med 21.25 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 21.18 Pct
Red_Sea 2.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

I have from region between Kumanovo and Tetovo and one kit between Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka/Kratovo.

OK. I haven't seen any results even from Kosovo and Southern Serbia like that. Though, to be fair, none of the kits were from places particularly close to the border like Vranje, Bujanovac or Trgovište.

[Vojnik]

OK. I haven't seen any results even from Kosovo and Southern Serbia like that. Though, to be fair, none of the kits were from places particularly close to the border like Vranje, Bujanovac or Trgovište.

Would be good to see some results from Pcinja.

[JohnnyP]

OK. I haven't seen any results even from Kosovo and Southern Serbia like that. Though, to be fair, none of the kits were from places particularly close to the border like Vranje, Bujanovac or Trgovište.

Vranje is most Southern place of Serbia , i think results will be close to South Montenegrins.
Btw i just got kit from Tetovo thats just 60 km west from Kumanovo.

A154390 - Tetovo
This also score South_Asian :D

North_Atlantic 22.35 Pct
Baltic 23.26 Pct
West_Med 18.29 Pct
West_Asian 9.49 Pct
East_Med 23.71 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian 0.18 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75 Pct
Amerindian 0.18 Pct
Oceanian 0.81 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct

[CommonSense]

Vranje is most Southern place of Serbia , i think results will be close to South Montenegrins.
Btw i just got kit from Tetovo thats just 60 km west from Kumanovo.

A154390
This also score South_Asian :D

North_Atlantic 22.35 Pct
Baltic 23.26 Pct
West_Med 18.29 Pct
West_Asian 9.49 Pct
East_Med 23.71 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian 0.18 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75 Pct
Amerindian 0.18 Pct
Oceanian 0.81 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct

That's a trace amount, some people without Gypsy ancestry can score even more than 2% (especially today when the SNP count of raw data files has decreased). Anyway, Tetovo also borders Serbia, but it's connected with Kosovo and not the Pčinja district. Yet, while north of Kumanovo there is no geographic barrier, Tetovo is seperated from Kosovo by the Šar mountain, so there should be a much sharper cline over there.

[JohnnyP]

That's a trace amount, some people without Gypsy ancestry can score even more than 2% (especially today when the SNP count of raw data files has decreased). Anyway, Tetovo also borders Serbia, but it's connected with Kosovo and not the Pčinja district. Yet, while north of Kumanovo there is no geographic barrier, Tetovo is seperated from Kosovo by the Šar mountain, so there should be a much sharper cline over there.

Yeah , im Half Serbian(Zrenjanin-Vranje) half Macedonian from Kumanovo , 26 Baltic.22 North_Atl 17 west 20 east med 10 west_asia.Im testing my Macedonian parent rightnow and i will post results within 3 weeks.
Im clustering with SouthEast Serbs.

[JohnnyP]

That's a trace amount, some people without Gypsy ancestry can score even more than 2% (especially today when the SNP count of raw data files has decreased). Anyway, Tetovo also borders Serbia, but it's connected with Kosovo and not the Pčinja district. Yet, while north of Kumanovo there is no geographic barrier, Tetovo is seperated from Kosovo by the Šar mountain, so there should be a much sharper cline over there.

Here's full Macedonian from Northeast village German - 35 km from Kumanovo , i posted already.

A231427 .
Code:
Population
North_Atlantic 22.42 Pct
Baltic 22.28 Pct
West_Med 18.15 Pct
West_Asian 8.99 Pct
East_Med 25.37 Pct
Red_Sea 0.38 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.95 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.73 Pct
Oceanian 0.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Lioncourt]

can you rank these groups in order according to who is genetically closest to slavophone Macedonians?

Bulgarians
Macedonian Greeks
Aromanians/Vlachs
SE Serbs
Albanians
Wallachian/Dobrogean Romanians

It's hard to say exactly, we have too few samples from some of the groups, but from what I've seen so far:

1. Vlachs
2. Gheg Albanians
3. Macedonian Greeks
4. Bulgarians
5. South Romanians
6. Tosk Albanians
7. SE Serbs


From first 30 kits i posted Lincourt made average of Ghegs ,Romanians from Wallachia,Bulgarians and Macedonians ;


This is average for Romanians from Oltenia, Romanians from Muntenia score slightly higher North Atlantic and Baltic and pull Wallachian average a bit more north but still almost identical to Bulgarian.

[Lioncourt]

I think in general SE Serbs would score similar to NW Bulgarians (Shopi and Torlaks).

I have seen one result from Dupnitsa, it was closest to Bosnian Serbs and Croats, but maybe that's an outlier. One result fron NW Bulgaria has very high Baltic and very low NA (29 and 16 respectively). One result from Pleven is also quite northern, plotting with Serbs.

[CommonSense]

Yeah , im Half Serbian(Zrenjanin-Vranje) half Macedonian from Kumanovo , 26 Baltic.22 North_Atl 17 west 20 east med 10 west_asia.Im testing my Macedonian parent rightnow and i will post results within 3 weeks.
Im clustering with SouthEast Serbs.

Interesting, I was under the impression only your grandmother was Serbian. At least, that's what you used to say. Your result is indeed normal for southern Serbia, but many are even more northern (like the girl who joined up on TA a few days ago). Since we mentioned Vranje, the avearge person from there would probably be like you.

[CommonSense]

I think in general SE Serbs would score similar to NW Bulgarians (Shopi and Torlaks).

I have seen one result from Dupnitsa, it was closest to Bosnian Serbs and Croats, but maybe that's an outlier. One result fron NW Bulgaria has very high Baltic and very low NA (29 and 16 respectively). One result from Pleven is also quite northern, plotting with Serbs.

The closest Bulgarians to us should logically be those living in the municipalities of Dimitrovgrad and Bosilegrad. After that it would Kyustendil. Dupnitsa isn't far away either, but that sample sounds like an outlier.

[JohnnyP]

Interesting, I was under the impression only your grandmother was Serbian. At least, that's what you used to say. Your result is indeed normal for southern Serbia, but many are even more northern (like the girl who joined up on TA a few days ago). Since we mentioned Vranje, the avearge person from there would probably be like you.

No its two, but if i said that i will have stalker like Pribislav on every thread about Macedonians with his claims :Dhaha
Yeah probably Vranje results would be look like me. 50%South_Italian 50%Ukrainian.

[Lioncourt]

The closest Bulgarians to us should logically be those living in the municipalities of Dimitrovgrad and Bosilegrad. After that it would Kyustendil. Dupnitsa isn't far away either, but that sample sounds like an outlier.

Closest to you would be Torlaks from Tran, Dragoman, Godech, Belogradchik and other small places, but I doubt we'll ever see results from there, these places are now depopulated and inhabited by elderly people who wouldn't do a genetic test.

Closest to Macedonians would logically be everything south of Blagoevgrad and west of Nevrokop (Gotse Delchev), and people with my background living mostly in big cities (purely Macedonian Bulgarians who are rare today).

[Vojnik]

No its two, but if i said that i will have stalker like Pribislav on every thread about Macedonians with his claims :Dhaha
Yeah probably Vranje results would be look like me. 50%South_Italian 50%Ukrainian.

Haha you southern Serb. Jokes. :D

[Vojnik]

Closest to you would be Torlaks from Tran, Dragoman, Godech, Belogradchik and other small places, but I doubt we'll ever see results from there, these places are now depopulated and inhabited by elderly people who wouldn't do a genetic test.

Closest to Macedonians would logically be everything south of Blagoevgrad and west of Nevrokop (Gotse Delchev), and people with my background living mostly in big cities (purely Macedonian Bulgarians who are rare today).

Anything North of Kastoria/Kostur (Greece). East of Korca/Gorica (Albania).

[Lioncourt]

Anything North of Kastoria/Kostur (Greece). East of Korca/Gorica (Albania).

I mean in Bulgaria.