My DNA results

[Dr_Maul]

Well, I finally got my DNA results back from 23andMe today. It was quite fast I'd say, because I shipped it out on March 29th so less than 2 weeks overall. So I figured I'd post it here for some discussion and to get some help because I honestly do not understand how to use GEDmatch, so I am gonna post some results from a few random calculators I picked. If you guys know which of the options are useful/necessary any help is appreciated. Here are the results from GEDmatch:
Edit: I've added Dodecad K12b and Eurogenes K13. Also the 23andMe screenshot is the link at the bottom

Ancient Eurasia k6
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Natufian 45.81
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 34.77
3 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 8.79
4 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 6.89
5 Sub_Saharan 2.79
6 East_Asian 0.95

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian_Shirazi 2.82
2 Iranian_Mazandarani 3.42
3 Iran_recent 4.59
4 Kurd_C 4.61
5 Iran_N_WC1 5.4
6 Iranian 5.62
7 Iran_ChL 5.63
8 Iranian_Lori 5.76
9 Iran_LN 5.89
10 Iran_N 5.9
11 Kurd_F 6.84
12 Baloch_Iranian 10.17
13 Azeri 10.59
14 Makrani 11.49
15 Georgian 12.1
16 Lezgin 12.63
17 Chechen 12.65
18 Assyrian 13.38
19 Adygei 13.43
20 Brahui 13.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.2% Makrani + 38.8% Druze @ 1.1
2 57.3% Brahui + 42.7% Druze @ 1.22
3 65.8% Makrani + 34.2% Cypriot @ 1.32
4 56.4% Balochi + 43.6% Druze @ 1.45
5 57.3% Brahui + 42.7% Lebanese @ 1.75
6 72.9% Kurd_C + 27.1% Makrani @ 1.86
7 56.4% Balochi + 43.6% Lebanese @ 1.87
8 66.4% Iran_N_WC1 + 33.6% Baloch_Iranian @ 1.93
9 61.2% Balochi + 38.8% Saudi @ 2.1
10 69.4% Iran_N_WC1 + 30.6% Makrani @ 2.12
11 62.2% Brahui + 37.8% Cypriot @ 2.17
12 97.6% Iranian_Mazandarani + 2.4% Papuan @ 2.17
13 97.6% Iranian_Mazandarani + 2.4% Andamanese @ 2.17
14 97.6% Iranian_Mazandarani + 2.4% Australian @ 2.17
15 71% Kurd_C + 29% Baloch_Iranian @ 2.18
16 58.6% Balochi + 41.4% Palestinian @ 2.19
17 61.8% Balochi + 38.2% Jew_Yemenite @ 2.23
18 82.8% Baloch_Iranian + 17.2% Anatolia_N @ 2.24
19 59.5% Brahui + 40.5% Palestinian @ 2.27
20 98.4% Iranian_Shirazi + 1.6% Andamanese @ 2.28


Dodecad K12b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.41
2 Gedrosia 27.49
3 Southwest_Asian 13.75
4 Atlantic_Med 8.12
5 South_Asian 5.04
6 North_European 4.5
7 Northwest_African 3.36
8 Siberian 1.68
9 East_African 0.64

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranians (Behar) 4.75
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.48
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.85
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 8.48
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 12.71
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 14.89
7 Turks (Behar) 16.75
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 18.15
9 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 18.39
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 18.78
11 Assyrian (Dodecad) 19.08
12 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 19.22
13 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 19.25
14 Lebanese (Behar) 19.76
15 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 20.8
16 Syrians (Behar) 21.13
17 Armenian (Dodecad) 21.58
18 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.95
19 Jordanians (Behar) 22.93
20 Druze (HGDP) 23.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.4% Iranians (Behar) + 12.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.49
2 93.2% Iranians (Behar) + 6.8% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 2.56
3 92.2% Iranians (Behar) + 7.8% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 2.62
4 87.5% Iranians (Behar) + 12.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.79
5 92.9% Iranians (Behar) + 7.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 2.83
6 93.6% Iranians (Behar) + 6.4% Moroccans (Behar) @ 2.86
7 88.8% Iranians (Behar) + 11.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.88
8 89% Iranians (Behar) + 11% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.92
9 88.6% Iranians (Behar) + 11.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.92
10 89% Iranians (Behar) + 11% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.02
11 90.7% Iranians (Behar) + 9.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.07
12 93.4% Iranians (Behar) + 6.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 3.08
13 93.6% Iranians (Behar) + 6.4% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 3.12
14 93.8% Iranians (Behar) + 6.2% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 3.15
15 93.6% Iranians (Behar) + 6.4% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 3.16
16 93.5% Iranians (Behar) + 6.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 3.18
17 91.8% Iranians (Behar) + 8.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.21
18 93.7% Iranians (Behar) + 6.3% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 3.22
19 93.6% Iranians (Behar) + 6.4% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 3.22
20 91.6% Iranians (Behar) + 8.4% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 3.24

HarappaWorld
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.67
2 Baloch 27.21
3 SW-Asian 13.59
4 Mediterranean 6.45
5 NE-Euro 5.25
6 S-Indian 4.13
7 Siberian 1.84
8 W-African 1.26
9 Papuan 1.15
10 Beringian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 iranian (behar) 2.79
2 kurd (harappa) 3.45
3 iranian (harappa) 3.74
4 kurd (xing) 6.34
5 kurd (yunusbayev) 6.85
6 turkish (harappa) 9.77
7 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 10.49
8 azeri (harappa) 10.71
9 armenian (harappa) 11.72
10 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.75
11 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 14.38
12 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 14.46
13 turk (behar) 14.6
14 turkmen (yunusbayev) 14.7
15 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 15.03
16 assyrian (harappa) 15.3
17 iranian-jew (behar) 15.85
18 palestinian (harappa) 16.84
19 iraq-jew (behar) 17.02
20 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 17.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% iranian (behar) + 3.8% italian (hgdp) @ 2.16
2 95.6% iranian (behar) + 4.4% tuscan (hapmap) @ 2.17
3 92.6% kurd (harappa) + 7.4% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.17
4 97.5% iranian (behar) + 2.5% basque (hgdp) @ 2.19
5 92.8% kurd (harappa) + 7.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.19
6 96.9% iranian (behar) + 3.1% french (hgdp) @ 2.19
7 97.5% iranian (behar) + 2.5% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.19
8 95.6% iranian (behar) + 4.4% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.19
9 96.9% iranian (behar) + 3.1% spaniard (behar) @ 2.2
10 95.9% iranian (behar) + 4.1% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.22
11 97% iranian (behar) + 3% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.22
12 95.9% iranian (behar) + 4.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.22
13 97.3% iranian (behar) + 2.7% british (1000genomes) @ 2.24
14 97.3% iranian (behar) + 2.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.24
15 93.8% kurd (harappa) + 6.2% sindhi (hgdp) @ 2.24
16 93.5% kurd (harappa) + 6.5% brahui (hgdp) @ 2.25
17 92.1% iranian (behar) + 7.9% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.26
18 97.5% iranian (behar) + 2.5% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.26
19 97.3% iranian (behar) + 2.7% n-european (xing) @ 2.26
20 97% iranian (behar) + 3% hungarian (behar) @ 2.27


Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 38.01
2 East_Med 29.44
3 South_Asian 11.39
4 West_Med 6.57
5 Baltic 6.06
6 Red_Sea 5.67
7 Siberian 1.17
8 Northeast_African 0.72
9 Oceanian 0.64
10 Sub-Saharan 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 4.04
2 Kurdish 5.36
3 Azeri 7.51
4 Georgian_Jewish 11.2
5 Armenian 11.62
6 Turkish 12.58
7 Assyrian 13.59
8 Iranian_Jewish 15.2
9 Kumyk 15.55
10 Kurdish_Jewish 16.16
11 Georgian 17.06
12 Turkmen 17.22
13 Adygei 17.69
14 Abhkasian 18.12
15 Balkar 19.5
16 Ossetian 20.13
17 Lebanese_Muslim 20.25
18 Kabardin 20.29
19 North_Ossetian 20.32
20 Syrian 20.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.7% Georgian_Jewish + 24.3% Pathan @ 3.04
2 76.1% Georgian_Jewish + 23.9% Kalash @ 3.22
3 76.9% Georgian_Jewish + 23.1% Burusho @ 3.6
4 78.2% Georgian_Jewish + 21.8% Sindhi @ 3.77
5 78.6% Georgian_Jewish + 21.4% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.83
6 70.6% Georgian_Jewish + 29.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.84
7 97.8% Iranian + 2.2% MA-1 @ 3.88
8 98% Iranian + 2% Sardinian @ 3.88
9 95% Iranian + 5% Balkar @ 3.92
10 97.1% Iranian + 2.9% Pathan @ 3.92
11 94.6% Iranian + 5.4% Adygei @ 3.92
12 98.3% Iranian + 1.7% Erzya @ 3.93
13 94% Iranian + 6% Kumyk @ 3.93
14 95.4% Iranian + 4.6% Kabardin @ 3.93
15 92% Iranian + 8% Armenian @ 3.93
16 98.4% Iranian + 1.6% Dharkar @ 3.94
17 98.5% Iranian + 1.5% Kanjar @ 3.94
18 98.6% Iranian + 1.4% North_Kannadi @ 3.94
19 95.2% Iranian + 4.8% Abhkasian @ 3.94
20 97.5% Iranian + 2.5% Burusho @ 3.95

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Also if the bottom is cut off it says 2.6% unassigned

[Rocinante]

Get G25.

[Adamm]

Get G25.

Davidski isn't doing any G25 because of corona virus, 1 July he'll start again with producing coordinates.

Also @ OP, can you post your 23andMe result.

[Dr_Maul]

Get G25.

Thanks, but where do I get my numbers to post in the 'target' section?

[Dr_Maul]

Davidski isn't doing any G25 because of corona virus, 1 July he'll start again with producing coordinates.

Also @ OP, can you post your 23andMe result.

I posted a screenshot in the bottom of my ancestry map, unless you mean something else? or is it not working

[Kyp]

Can you post Dodecad k12b?

[Leto]

Get G25.
You're a bit obsessed with the holy G25. It's overrated and most people outside this forum don't even use Gedmatch, let alone that nerdy stuff. I have my coordinates but still feel more comfortable using GM.

[Leto]

@DR_Maul, please don't use Oracle-4. Just Oracle :)

[Dr_Maul]

Can you post Dodecad k12b?

Sure, here it is

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.41
2 Gedrosia 27.49
3 Southwest_Asian 13.75
4 Atlantic_Med 8.12
5 South_Asian 5.04
6 North_European 4.5
7 Northwest_African 3.36
8 Siberian 1.68
9 East_African 0.64

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranians (Behar) 4.75
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.48
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.85
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 8.48
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 12.71
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 14.89
7 Turks (Behar) 16.75
8 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 18.15
9 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 18.39
10 Turkish (Dodecad) 18.78
11 Assyrian (Dodecad) 19.08
12 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 19.22
13 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 19.25
14 Lebanese (Behar) 19.76
15 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 20.8
16 Syrians (Behar) 21.13
17 Armenian (Dodecad) 21.58
18 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.95
19 Jordanians (Behar) 22.93
20 Druze (HGDP) 23.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.4% Iranians (Behar) + 12.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.49
2 93.2% Iranians (Behar) + 6.8% Moroccan (Dodecad) @ 2.56
3 92.2% Iranians (Behar) + 7.8% Algerian (Dodecad) @ 2.62
4 87.5% Iranians (Behar) + 12.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.79
5 92.9% Iranians (Behar) + 7.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 2.83
6 93.6% Iranians (Behar) + 6.4% Moroccans (Behar) @ 2.86
7 88.8% Iranians (Behar) + 11.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.88
8 89% Iranians (Behar) + 11% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.92
9 88.6% Iranians (Behar) + 11.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.92
10 89% Iranians (Behar) + 11% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.02
11 90.7% Iranians (Behar) + 9.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.07
12 93.4% Iranians (Behar) + 6.6% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 3.08
13 93.6% Iranians (Behar) + 6.4% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 3.12
14 93.8% Iranians (Behar) + 6.2% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 3.15
15 93.6% Iranians (Behar) + 6.4% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 3.16
16 93.5% Iranians (Behar) + 6.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 3.18
17 91.8% Iranians (Behar) + 8.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.21
18 93.7% Iranians (Behar) + 6.3% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 3.22
19 93.6% Iranians (Behar) + 6.4% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 3.22
20 91.6% Iranians (Behar) + 8.4% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 3.24

[Dr_Maul]

@DR_Maul, please don't use Oracle-4. Just Oracle :)

Ok, I'll update the ones in my OP. What is the difference?

[Leto]

Davidski isn't doing any G25 because of corona virus, 1 July he'll start again with producing coordinates.

How is corona relevant to his online store? He doesn't even have to deal with living people or actual DNA material.

[Leto]

Ok, I'll update the ones in my OP. What is the difference?
Shorter distances and minor components are not cut off.

Add Eurogenes K13 too.

[Dr_Maul]

Shorter distances and minor components are not cut off.

Add Eurogenes K13 too.

Will do, thanks :thumb001:

[Leto]

87.4% Iranians (Behar) + 12.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.49

You may be slightly more Semitic-shifted. Iranians (Behar) is a purely Northern Iranian reference, I believe.

[Rocinante]

You're a bit obsessed with the holy G25. It's overrated and most people outside this forum don't even use Gedmatch, let alone that nerdy stuff. I have my coordinates but still feel more comfortable using GM.

I could be obsessed with it, but i have my reasons. It is a more accurate tool for me, also GM is outdated.

[Leto]

GM is outdated.
There are multiple updated oracles on Vahaduo.

[Dr_Maul]

87.4% Iranians (Behar) + 12.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.49

You may be slightly more Semitic-shifted. Iranians (Behar) is a purely Northern Iranian reference, I believe.

Yes, I think its possible too. I think it is a relatively recent mix as well because my father has 100% Iran on 23andme

[Leto]

Yes, I think its possible too. I think it is a relatively recent mix as well because my father has 100% Iran on 23andme
I see. You stated 3/8 Fars/Bushehr in your profile, that's where it may come from.

[Halgurd]

What subclade is your mtdna?

[Kyp]

Sure, here it is



Updated Spreadsheet:

Distance to: Dr_Maul
4.29905804 Iranian_Fars
5.12155250 Iranians
5.27482701 Lur_Iran
6.16970826 Kurd_Sorani
6.98704516 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.10579341 Iranian
7.21090147 Iran_Central_East
7.45790185 Kurd
8.20862961 Turkmen_Iraq
8.50119403 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.90151672 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.95551227 Zaza
9.28376540 Kurds
9.43427263 Iran_Mazandaran
10.01602216 Iran_Khorasan
10.35550578 Azerbaijani
11.27700758 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.20254891 Turk_Southeast
13.97146377 Parsi_India
13.99736761 Uzbekistan_Jews
15.39497321 Turkmens
15.42066795 Turk_East
15.68849579 Turk_Central_East
15.76264889 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.95220988 Turk_South

[Dr_Maul]

Also here is the MyTrueAncestry ancient stuff, although it is pretty boring compared to most people lol...
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[Dr_Maul]

I see. You stated 3/8 Fars/Bushehr in your profile, that's where it may come from.

Yes, that is where my Mom is from (my 1/8 Kurdistan is from her as well) and I got the Levantine stuff from her side

[Dr_Maul]

What subclade is your mtdna?

I'm not sure exactly, on 23andMe it just says J1...

[Leto]

harappa world oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.67
2 Baloch 27.21
3 SW-Asian 13.59
4 Mediterranean 6.45
5 NE-Euro 5.25
6 S-Indian 4.13
7 Siberian 1.84
8 W-African 1.26
9 Papuan 1.15


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 iranian_behar @ 2.889218
2 kurd_harappa @ 3.695537
3 iranian_harappa @ 3.972415
4 kurd_xing @ 6.972363
5 kurd_yunusbayev @ 7.577966
6 turkish_harappa @ 10.710161
7 uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 11.567871
8 azeri_harappa @ 11.776784
9 iraqi-arab_harappa @ 12.770906
10 armenian_harappa @ 12.923285
11 turk-kayseri_hodoglugil @ 15.793146
12 iraqi-mandaean_harappa @ 15.889483
13 turkmen_yunusbayev @ 15.932351
14 turk_behar @ 16.073755
15 turk-istanbul_hodoglugil @ 16.491713
16 assyrian_harappa @ 16.994175
17 iranian-jew_behar @ 17.471382
18 palestinian_harappa @ 18.300024
19 north-ossetian_harappa @ 18.376007
20 iraq-jew_behar @ 18.703482

What is your regular Oracle? Mixed mode.

[Dr_Maul]

Here is Eurogenes K13 as requested


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 38.01
2 East_Med 29.44
3 South_Asian 11.39
4 West_Med 6.57
5 Baltic 6.06
6 Red_Sea 5.67
7 Siberian 1.17
8 Northeast_African 0.72
9 Oceanian 0.64
10 Sub-Saharan 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 4.04
2 Kurdish 5.36
3 Azeri 7.51
4 Georgian_Jewish 11.2
5 Armenian 11.62
6 Turkish 12.58
7 Assyrian 13.59
8 Iranian_Jewish 15.2
9 Kumyk 15.55
10 Kurdish_Jewish 16.16
11 Georgian 17.06
12 Turkmen 17.22
13 Adygei 17.69
14 Abhkasian 18.12
15 Balkar 19.5
16 Ossetian 20.13
17 Lebanese_Muslim 20.25
18 Kabardin 20.29
19 North_Ossetian 20.32
20 Syrian 20.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.7% Georgian_Jewish + 24.3% Pathan @ 3.04
2 76.1% Georgian_Jewish + 23.9% Kalash @ 3.22
3 76.9% Georgian_Jewish + 23.1% Burusho @ 3.6
4 78.2% Georgian_Jewish + 21.8% Sindhi @ 3.77
5 78.6% Georgian_Jewish + 21.4% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.83
6 70.6% Georgian_Jewish + 29.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.84
7 97.8% Iranian + 2.2% MA-1 @ 3.88
8 98% Iranian + 2% Sardinian @ 3.88
9 95% Iranian + 5% Balkar @ 3.92
10 97.1% Iranian + 2.9% Pathan @ 3.92
11 94.6% Iranian + 5.4% Adygei @ 3.92
12 98.3% Iranian + 1.7% Erzya @ 3.93
13 94% Iranian + 6% Kumyk @ 3.93
14 95.4% Iranian + 4.6% Kabardin @ 3.93
15 92% Iranian + 8% Armenian @ 3.93
16 98.4% Iranian + 1.6% Dharkar @ 3.94
17 98.5% Iranian + 1.5% Kanjar @ 3.94
18 98.6% Iranian + 1.4% North_Kannadi @ 3.94
19 95.2% Iranian + 4.8% Abhkasian @ 3.94
20 97.5% Iranian + 2.5% Burusho @ 3.95

[Adamg]

Davidski isn't doing any G25 because of corona virus, 1 July he'll start again with producing coordinates.

Also @ OP, can you post your 23andMe result.

Really? Is he quarantined?

[happycow]

Cool :)

[waam]

Nice results. Makes sense for you to score some AEL since you're from the west, I'm by no means an expert when it comes to Iranians though so somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Makes me think I'll be getting mine very soon, I sent back my replacement kit like 2 days after you did. When did yours arrive at the lab?

[gixajo]

I'm not sure exactly, on 23andMe it just says J1...

You can try Morley´s predictor, but probably it will not say you a more accurate haplogroup .

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

[Dr_Maul]

What is your regular Oracle? Mixed mode.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% iranian (behar) + 3.8% italian (hgdp) @ 2.16
2 95.6% iranian (behar) + 4.4% tuscan (hapmap) @ 2.17
3 92.6% kurd (harappa) + 7.4% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.17
4 97.5% iranian (behar) + 2.5% basque (hgdp) @ 2.19
5 92.8% kurd (harappa) + 7.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.19
6 96.9% iranian (behar) + 3.1% french (hgdp) @ 2.19
7 97.5% iranian (behar) + 2.5% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.19
8 95.6% iranian (behar) + 4.4% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.19
9 96.9% iranian (behar) + 3.1% spaniard (behar) @ 2.2
10 95.9% iranian (behar) + 4.1% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.22
11 97% iranian (behar) + 3% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.22
12 95.9% iranian (behar) + 4.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.22
13 97.3% iranian (behar) + 2.7% british (1000genomes) @ 2.24
14 97.3% iranian (behar) + 2.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.24
15 93.8% kurd (harappa) + 6.2% sindhi (hgdp) @ 2.24
16 93.5% kurd (harappa) + 6.5% brahui (hgdp) @ 2.25
17 92.1% iranian (behar) + 7.9% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.26
18 97.5% iranian (behar) + 2.5% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.26
19 97.3% iranian (behar) + 2.7% n-european (xing) @ 2.26
20 97% iranian (behar) + 3% hungarian (behar) @ 2.27

[Dr_Maul]

Nice results. Makes sense for you to score some AEL since you're from the west, I'm by no means an expert when it comes to Iranians though so somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Makes me think I'll be getting mine very soon, I sent back my replacement kit like 2 days after you did. When did yours arrive at the lab?

Mine arrived at the lab on April 1, and the rest of the steps were done pretty quickly probably due to the lack of samples they are getting because of corona (the step that they expect to take 1-2 weeks was finished in 3 days, lol). Not many Iranians have Semitic dna but those that do are almost always where my maternal family is from so I was honestly expecting it lol

[waam]

Mine arrived at the lab on April 1, and the rest of the steps were done pretty quickly probably due to the lack of samples they are getting because of corona (the step that they expect to take 1-2 weeks was finished in 3 days, lol). Not many Iranians have Semitic dna but those that do are almost always where my maternal family is from so I was honestly expecting it lol

I know there are parts along the border with Iraq where ethnic Persians speak Arabic, is that true? You think there might have been some intermingling along those parts?

[Dr_Maul]

I know there are parts along the border with Iraq where ethnic Persians speak Arabic, is that true? You think there might have been some intermingling along those parts?

Yes, they are about 1-2 million around the Iraq border and gulf areas. Although most of the ones who speak Arabic are also ethnically arab (about 80% have migrated there historically, the rest have lived there for work in the oil fields and such). I don’t know about intermingling in the past, but nowadays that their kids are moving to inner Persian cities for education and whatnot it is quite common, they are recognizable by surname (Najafi etc) and accent usually

[waam]

Yes, they are about 1-2 million around the Iraq border and gulf areas. Although most of the ones who speak Arabic are also ethnically arab (about 80% have migrated there historically, the rest have lived there for work in the oil fields and such). I don’t know about intermingling in the past, but nowadays that their kids are moving to inner Persian cities for education and whatnot it is quite common, they are recognizable by surname (Najafi etc) and accent usually

Got it. So if you say most of them are also ethnically Arab that would answer the question of them intermarrying with Persians I think, if they identify as Persian that is.

[Dr_Maul]

Got it. So if you say most of them are also ethnically Arab that would answer the question of them intermarrying with Persians I think, if they identify as Persian that is.

I don’t think many identify as Persians but definitely as Iranian in general

[waam]

I don’t think many identify as Persians but definitely as Iranian in general

Oh I see. I remember watching an ancestry breakdown video on YouTube and I remembered this girl said her parents are Arabic speaking Persians. She might have said Iranians though and I remembered it incorrectly.

[Dr_Maul]

Oh I see. I remember watching an ancestry breakdown video on YouTube and I remembered this girl said her parents are Arabic speaking Persians. She might have said Iranians though and I remembered it incorrectly.

Yeah that makes sense, among Iranian diaspora (especially those not really informed about genetics/history) Persian has become synonymous with Iranian

[waam]

Yeah that makes sense, among Iranian diaspora (especially those not really informed about genetics/history) Persian has become synonymous with Iranian

I'm not that deeply familiar with the various Iranian ethnic groups except for some. Would you be considered Persian? I see you wrote the regional breakdown of your ancestry but would each one of those regions constitute a separate ethnic group or can they all fall under the umbrella of "Persian"?

[Dr_Maul]

I'm not that deeply familiar with the various Iranian ethnic groups except for some. Would you be considered Persian? I see you wrote the regional breakdown of your ancestry but would each one of those regions constitute a separate ethnic group or can they all fall under the umbrella of "Persian"?

There are a few different Ethnolinguistic groups, linguistically wise there are a lot of 'seperate' groups but a lot of them are genetically similar. The ones in my bio are just based off of where my Great-Grandparents were born, and they can possibly indicate my ethnics based on geography but its not exact really. I am considered Persian because I am 7/8 Persian ethnically and it is my mother tongue.Generally the races are:

Kurds: The most "popular", they are around 8% of the population. Their language is Iranic and fairly similar but it is not completely mutually intelligible (I can probably understand 30%). Genetically wise they are similar to Persians but not the same
Lurs: They are mostly tribal and rural so there are not many outside of Iran. Their language is very similar to Persian (Almost mutually intelligible but not quite, similar to Mazanderani) but they are genetically closer to Kurds. They are 5% roughly
Azeris: They are a Turkic speaking ethnic group making up between 15-20% of the population. The language is basically Turkish so not intelligible. Ethnically they are a mix of Turkic, Kavkaz and Iranic (Kurdish/Persian) but predominantly Turkic.
Persians: 60-65% and the majority ethnic group, no explanation really needed. The majority of the diaspora overseas also comes from Persian provinces (but a lot of Azeri as well, and Kurds in Europe)
Rest are 1-2% minority groups like Arabs, Qashqais (Turkic speaking but genetically Kurdish), Turkmens (Turkmenistan border areas) Balochis (High south asian DNA folks living near the Pak border)

[Leto]

I'm not that deeply familiar with the various Iranian ethnic groups except for some. Would you be considered Persian? I see you wrote the regional breakdown of your ancestry but would each one of those regions constitute a separate ethnic group or can they all fall under the umbrella of "Persian"?
I think what he lists would fit better in the "Ancestry" box, not "Meta-Ethnicity".

[Dr_Maul]

I think what he lists would fit better in the "Ancestry" box, not "Meta-Ethnicity".

Yeah you're right, I put it that way before my test as to give people an idea of possible admixture beforehand lol

[waam]

There are a few different Ethnolinguistic groups, linguistically wise there are a lot of 'seperate' groups but a lot of them are genetically similar. The ones in my bio are just based off of where my Great-Grandparents were born, and they can possibly indicate my ethnics based on geography but its not exact really. I am considered Persian because I am 7/8 Persian ethnically and it is my mother tongue.Generally the races are:

Kurds: The most "popular", they are around 8% of the population. Their language is Iranic and fairly similar but it is not completely mutually intelligible (I can probably understand 30%). Genetically wise they are similar to Persians but not the same
Lurs: They are mostly tribal and rural so there are not many outside of Iran. Their language is very similar to Persian (Almost mutually intelligible but not quite, similar to Mazanderani) but they are genetically closer to Kurds. They are 5% roughly
Azeris: They are a Turkic speaking ethnic group making up between 15-20% of the population. The language is basically Turkish so not intelligible. Ethnically they are a mix of Turkic, Kavkaz and Iranic (Kurdish/Persian) but predominantly Turkic.
Persians: 60-65% and the majority ethnic group, no explanation really needed. The majority of the diaspora overseas also comes from Persian provinces (but a lot of Azeri as well, and Kurds in Europe)
Rest are 1-2% minority groups like Arabs, Qashqais (Turkic speaking but genetically Kurdish), Turkmens (Turkmenistan border areas) Balochis (High south asian DNA folks living near the Pak border)

Thanks for the info. My maternal family are actually Iranian speaking. They speak a Jewish variety of Persian. Wonder how much it would be intelligible for you.

[Leto]

Thanks for the info. My maternal family are actually Iranian speaking. They speak a Jewish variety of Persian. Wonder how much it would be intelligible for you.
Persian dialects like Mountain, Bukhori and Iranian Jewish are still alive in Israel?

[Raizen]

Your results are very harmonious i'm impressed

[Dr_Maul]

Thanks for the info. My maternal family are actually Iranian speaking. They speak a Jewish variety of Persian. Wonder how much it would be intelligible for you.

Is this similar to what you mean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3wT5pAmXbI)? If so, I can probably understand like 5% of it unfortunately, it just sounds like Hebrew to me. Maybe they speak Persian but with Hebrew words for some Jewish things that may not have a word in Persian, idk

[waam]

Persian dialects like Mountain, Bukhori and Iranian Jewish are still alive in Israel?
Among elders yeah of course. The elders in my maternal family speak it along with Russian.


Is this similar to what you mean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3wT5pAmXbI)? If so, I can probably understand like 5% of it unfortunately, it just sounds like Hebrew to me. Maybe they speak Persian but with Hebrew words for some Jewish things that may not have a word in Persian, idk

Here's a clip of someone actually speaking it. It's technically called Juhuri (the language of the Jews who inhabited the Caucasus Mountains) but my Grandma calls it Farsi. The song you linked was actually Hebrew.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu7MQNnWeoM

[Dr_Maul]

Among elders yeah of course. The elders in my maternal family speak it along with Russian.



Here's a clip of someone actually speaking it. It's technically called Juhuri (the language of the Jews who inhabited the Caucasus Mountains) but my Grandma calls it Farsi. The song you linked was actually Hebrew.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu7MQNnWeoM

Hmm yeah quite a few words and phrases are the same but I don't recognize the things that put them together lol, but I got maybe 30-40%. Some parts of it I could not understand at all like he is talking fully Hebrew or Russian but some parts it is like he is talking full Farsi, it is interesting

[Raizen]

I've learnt how to appreciate DNA results lately and i can see the beauty in yours, one that i've not seen for a while. The perfect combination of Levantine and West Asian elements don't fight with each other, instead they are perfectly balanced, and the pinch of steppe and Central Asian elements elegantly forms the link between the two major elements, like how a hydrogen connects two oxygen atoms to form the water that nourishes. Thank you for posting this eye opening thread, i appreciate man

[waam]

Hmm yeah quite a few words and phrases are the same but I don't recognize the things that put them together lol, but I got maybe 30-40%. Some parts of it I could not understand at all like he is talking fully Hebrew or Russian but some parts it is like he is talking full Farsi, it is interesting

Cool to know. It would make sense Russian words integrated into the language, Russian has been the dominant language in that area for the last 200 years or so.

[Dr_Maul]

I've learnt how to appreciate DNA results lately and i can see the beauty in yours, one that i've not seen for a while. The perfect combination of Levantine and West Asian elements don't fight with each other, instead they are perfectly balanced, and the pinch of steppe and Central Asian elements elegantly forms the link between the two major elements, like how a hydrogen connects two oxygen atoms to form the water that nourishes. Thank you for posting this eye opening thread, i appreciate man

With that mindset, I wonder how you would react to my dad's 100% Iranian result lol...

[Leto]

Cool to know. It would make sense Russian words integrated into the language, Russian has been the dominant language in that area for the last 200 years or so.
Not as long. Pretty much nobody spoke it before the 1920s (likbez - liquidation of illiteracy).

[waam]

Not as long. Pretty much nobody spoke it before the 1920s (likbez - liquidation of illiteracy).

Yeah. Still enough time to incorporate ot into the language though.

[Leto]

Yeah. Still enough time to incorporate ot into the language though.
Sure. I watched the video, pretty interesting. I think his speech was relatively pure for a speaker of a marginalized language. I mean he went to a Russian medium school. Modern Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Moldovans and Central Asians still incorporate just as many Russian words as he did, even though their languages are not marginalized by any means.

[Dr_Maul]

Eurogenes K36

Amerindian -
Arabian 5.50 Pct
Armenian 12.37 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.63 Pct
East_Med 13.18 Pct
Eastern_Euro 0.34 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 5.29 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 17.90 Pct
North_African 0.52 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 12.54 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 25.96 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.71 Pct
West_Med -

[Zoro]

You're a bit obsessed with the holy G25. It's overrated and most people outside this forum don't even use Gedmatch, let alone that nerdy stuff. I have my coordinates but still feel more comfortable using GM.

+1.

[Zoro]

Eurogenes K36

Amerindian -
Arabian 5.50 Pct
Armenian 12.37 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.63 Pct
East_Med 13.18 Pct
Eastern_Euro 0.34 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 5.29 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 17.90 Pct
North_African 0.52 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 12.54 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 25.96 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.71 Pct
West_Med -

Similar to our results just a tad more Arabian and Armenian shifted

[Leto]

+1.
:swl
I'm low-key glad that Davidski won't be selling coordinates until July (don't know why though, he doesn't have to deal with living customers, nor with actual DNA).

[waam]

Sure. I watched the video, pretty interesting. I think his speech was relatively pure for a speaker of a marginalized language. I mean he went to a Russian medium school. Modern Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Moldovans and Central Asians still incorporate just as many Russian words as he did, even though their languages are not marginalized by any means.

Yeah I couldn't really pick up that many Russian words either.

[Dr_Maul]

You can try Morley´s predictor, but probably it will not say you a more accurate haplogroup .

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

I did it, but I'm not sure how to interpret this. It doesn't have anything about my X chromosome either

[Leto]

Updated Spreadsheet:

Distance to: Dr_Maul
4.29905804 Iranian_Fars
5.12155250 Iranians
5.27482701 Lur_Iran
6.16970826 Kurd_Sorani
6.98704516 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.10579341 Iranian
7.21090147 Iran_Central_East
7.45790185 Kurd
8.20862961 Turkmen_Iraq
8.50119403 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.90151672 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.95551227 Zaza
9.28376540 Kurds
9.43427263 Iran_Mazandaran
10.01602216 Iran_Khorasan
10.35550578 Azerbaijani
11.27700758 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.20254891 Turk_Southeast
13.97146377 Parsi_India
13.99736761 Uzbekistan_Jews
15.39497321 Turkmens
15.42066795 Turk_East
15.68849579 Turk_Central_East
15.76264889 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.95220988 Turk_South
Target: Dr_Maul
Distance: 3.8582% / 3.85820700 | ADC: 1x
76.4 Iranian_Fars
19.4 Lur_Iran
4.2 Iranians

Target: Dr_Maul
Distance: 2.4529% / 2.45286073 | ADC: 0.5x
47.4 Iranian_Fars
31.2 Iranians
17.2 Lur_Iran
2.2 Morocco_Jews
1.8 Moroccan
0.2 Sardinian

Target: Dr_Maul
Distance: 1.4085% / 1.40854031 | ADC: 0.25x
39.2 Iranians
28.4 Lur_Iran
20.0 Iranian_Fars
7.0 Iran_Central_East
3.0 Moroccan
1.8 Sardinian
0.6 Mozabite

[Zoro]

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[Zoro]

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[Zoro]

I'm low-key glad that Davidski won't be selling coordinates until July (don't know why though, he doesn't have to deal with living customers, nor with actual DNA).

Yeah it's odd. I really wonder what kind of job he does that gives him so much time to blog. I found this readme file for the nMonte by the guy that put together the nMonte software. His name is Ger Hujbrets.


A drawback of nMonte is that it returns only the best fitting solution, while Oracle presents alternatives.

It's a good thing to have alternatives to pick from



Concluding remarks:
A. So, nMonte is NOT a calculator
B. In no way can these 'second level' tools correct weaknesses of the underlying DNA calculator. This is a garbage in -> garbage out situation.
C. Solutions of these second level tools are not guaranteed to return the 'true' solution. Even if the most important population is missing from the calculator spreadsheet, the tools will yet return a solution.
Sometimes vastly different combinations can result in nearly the same distance. The algorithm can only rely on the smallest distance criterion.
For this reason authors like Chad Rohlfsen state very explicitly that this kind of tinkering is just bullshit. But that is an other story.

Ger Huijbregts

Formal tools can zero in on the true solution much better. What he means by 'second level' tools correct weaknesses of the underlying DNA calculator. is that if the G-25 coordinates change so does the answer. We know G-25 coordinates are totally based on which populations Davidski puts in the run. From what I've seen he's thrown thousands of samples in there which makes it impossible to figure out what the pulls and pushes are on the target.

A year ago Dilawer decided to test PCA/nMonte calculators to see how they lined up with formal stats by doing the same thing Davidski was doing by making a G20 and G25 He decided to not pursue these because the results were not consistent with formal stats.

When he was testing he gave me coordinates for my mom but I never posted them because these results are not consistent with formal stats. Here were the results using a G20 he put together with nMonte in case you are curious. Dilawer said anytime he added or subtracted populations from the run my mom's coordinates changed and she got different results.

Here are from one run not to be taken seriously. The other ones he sent were different. UNSCALED

POPULATION Distance
Armenian 6.2
Turkish 7.1
Brahui 7.1
Adygei 7.3
Balochi 8.7
Jew_Yemenite 9.1
Tajik 9.4
Estonian 10.7
Sardinian 11.3
Tatar_Volga 13.5
Turkmen 16.4
British 16.5
Bashkir 17.3
Uzbek 18.0
Uyghur 20.4
Kazakh 22.2
Gujarati 25.3
Jarawa 45.8

POPULATION PERCENT
Armenian 54.80%
Brahui 31.20%
Jew_Yemenite 8.40%
Tatar_Volga 3.20%
Turkmen 2.40%

POPULATION Distance to Kurd_Kurmanji_IQ
Iran_IA_HajjiFiruz 9.5
Iran_C_SehGabi 11.4
Pakistan_H_Barikot 12.8
Turkmenistan_Gonur_BA_1 14.5
Alan_RU 14.9
Pakistan_IA_Butkara 15.2
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta 15.3
Pakistan_H_SaiduSharif 15.6
Pakistan_IA_Katelai 15.8
Pakistan_H_Aligrama 16.2
Bulgaria_C 16.5
Iran_C_TepeHissar 17.4
Russia_Srubnaya_Alakul 17.5
Germany_BellBeaker 17.8
Pakistan_IA_Barikot 18.3
Yamna_Samara 20.0
Turkmenistan_IA 20.3
Saka_TianShan 21.2
Anatolia_N 21.2
Serbia_Mesolithic_IronGates 21.7
Iberia_C 22.6
Yamna_Kalmyk 23.1
Armenia_C 23.2
Israel_C 24.1
Russia_Sarmatian 24.8
Russia_MLBA_Sintashta 24.8
Ukraine_N 25.4
Sarmatian_Kazakh 25.4
Pakistan_H_Butkara 26.4
Israel_PPNB 27.9
Iran_GanjDareh_N 30.3
CordedWare 30.9
Iran_Wezmeh_N 31.8
EHG 32.9
Russia_Shamanka_Eneolithic 33.5
Russia_UstBelaya_Angara 35.6
Mongolia_XiongNu 36.0
Israel_Natufian 38.5
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N 38.6
MA1 44.1
Morocco_Iberomaurusian 49.6
Russia_AfontovaGora3 52.1
DevilsCave_N 56.8


POPULATION PERCENT
Iran_IA_HajjiFiruz 56.80%
Pakistan_H_Barikot 19.20%
Alan_RU 19.00%
Turkmenistan_Gonur_BA_1 5.00%

[Dr_Maul]

Target: Dr_Maul
Distance: 3.8582% / 3.85820700 | ADC: 1x
76.4 Iranian_Fars
19.4 Lur_Iran
4.2 Iranians

Target: Dr_Maul
Distance: 2.4529% / 2.45286073 | ADC: 0.5x
47.4 Iranian_Fars
31.2 Iranians
17.2 Lur_Iran
2.2 Morocco_Jews
1.8 Moroccan
0.2 Sardinian

Target: Dr_Maul
Distance: 1.4085% / 1.40854031 | ADC: 0.25x
39.2 Iranians
28.4 Lur_Iran
20.0 Iranian_Fars
7.0 Iran_Central_East
3.0 Moroccan
1.8 Sardinian
0.6 Mozabite

So which one of the GEDmatch things do you think is the most accurate? Like between the harrapa world and eurogenes etc

[Dr_Maul]

...

[Nomad]

I would like to see your subclades also.Do you have matches from Iraq,Georgia or West Iran?

[Dr_Maul]

I would like to see your subclades also.Do you have matches from Iraq,Georgia or West Iran?

For my Y it is m241. For my X it’s J1 and that’s the most specific it shows unfortunately. The majority of my matches are in Iran

[Zoro]

Qashqais (Turkic speaking but genetically Kurdish))

How do you think this came about (language change). Qashqais are also nomadic like kurds and resemble them

Is your mom’s side kurd from kernanshah? Do you know which tribe she’s from

[Dr_Maul]

How do you think this came about (language change). Qashqais are also nomadic like kurds and resemble them

Is your mom’s side kurd from kernanshah? Do you know which tribe she’s from

I think it’s because they are originally a warrior caste type (Azeri/Turkmen) which over time integrated a lot of Kurds over time. It makes sense that the Kurds who joined would eventually change to Turkic language for efficiency reasons

The kermanshah is actually from my dads side, and they are ethnic Persians. According to 23andme they probably moved there from Isfahan because that’s where I get a lot of matches (other than the places my mom is from)

[Zoro]

I think it’s because they are originally a warrior caste type (Azeri/Turkmen) which over time integrated a lot of Kurds over time. It makes sense that the Kurds who joined would eventually change to Turkic language for efficiency reasons

The kermanshah is actually from my dads side, and they are ethnic Persians. According to 23andme they probably moved there from Isfahan because that’s where I get a lot of matches (other than the places my mom is from)

The kurds of Balochistan faced the same situation when they migrated there 500 years ago. They got assimilated into the Baloch and i’m not sure if any kurdish is left in the khash area of Balochistan. I read somewhere there is a mixed kurdish/balochi language spoken around either Taftan or Zanjan in Balochistan. On the flip side the 1.5 million kurds of khorasan kept their language even after 500 years. I can understand it well.

I guess what you mean is that kermanshah shows up in your matches ethnicity map. Every Iraqi kurd, ive seen gets some provinces in iran usually Hamadan, kurdistan, tehran, and kermanshah and Khuzestan in 23andme maps.

They also get a bunch of provinces in eastern and western Turkey. I’m not sure if those are matches with Turks or with Kurds.

[Dr_Maul]

The kurds of Balochistan faced the same situation when they migrated there 500 years ago. They got assimilated into the Baloch and i’m not sure if any kurdish is left in the khash area of Balochistan. I read somewhere there is a mixed kurdish/balochi language spoken around either Taftan or Zanjan in Balochistan. On the flip side the 1.5 million kurds of khorasan kept their language even after 500 years. I can understand it well.

I guess what you mean is that kermanshah shows up in your matches ethnicity map. Every Iraqi kurd, ive seen gets some provinces in iran usually Hamadan, kurdistan, tehran, and kermanshah in 23andme maps. They also get a bunch of provinces in eastern and western Turkey. I’m not sure if those are matches with Turks or with Kurds.

Well my dad and his grandparents are born in Kermanshah but he speaks Persian and is also ethnically Persian (there is a sizable population there). I assume his recent ancestors moved there from Isfahan because that is where I get the strongest match from 23andme (a long with Fars and bushehr, where my Mom’s parents are from). I should mention that my Mom’s grandfather was a Kurd (presumably from iran) and I get a mild match in west Azerbaijan on 23andme which is probably where he was from

[Zoro]

In reply to your msg

My cousin, Kurmanji kurd

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.49 Pct
Armenian 9.60 Pct
Basque 0.20 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.53 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.66 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.48 Pct
East_Med 14.87 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 0.26 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 2.08 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 19.93 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 0.08 Pct
North_Caucasian 17.35 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 23.37 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 7.86 Pct
West_Med 0.25 Pct

Mine

Population
Amerindian 0.17 Pct
Arabian 2.36 Pct
Armenian 6.79 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 1.82 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 3.36 Pct
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 14.34 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese 1.64 Pct
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 16.37 Pct
North_African 0.67 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 13.93 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.21 Pct
Pygmy -
Siberian 1.23 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 29.93 Pct
South_Chinese 0.13 Pct
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 6.94 Pct
West_Med -

[Dr_Maul]

In reply to your msg

My cousin, Kurmanji kurd

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.49 Pct
Armenian 9.60 Pct
Basque 0.20 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.53 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.66 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.48 Pct
East_Med 14.87 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 0.26 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 2.08 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 19.93 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 0.08 Pct
North_Caucasian 17.35 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 23.37 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 7.86 Pct
West_Med 0.25 Pct

Mine

Population
Amerindian 0.17 Pct
Arabian 2.36 Pct
Armenian 6.79 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 1.82 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 3.36 Pct
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 14.34 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese 1.64 Pct
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 16.37 Pct
North_African 0.67 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 13.93 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.21 Pct
Pygmy -
Siberian 1.23 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 29.93 Pct
South_Chinese 0.13 Pct
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 6.94 Pct
West_Med -

Interesting, it seems you guys are more Kavkaz shifted. Do you think its common among Iraqi Kurds?

[Zoro]

Interesting, it seems you guys are more Kavkaz shifted. Do you think its common among Iraqi Kurds?

Keep in mind that these calculators hit on very old common ancestry also. So your 5% Italian is probably nothing more than shared 8000 year old farmer ancestry between Europeans and West Asians.

Well, we have a little more Caucasian and you have a little more Armenian and Middle-Eastern but all in all we are pretty similar. I'm guessing that some Iraqi Kurds will be more like you (especially Feylis) and some more like us. Here is a summary but one shouldn't rely on these calculators as the final word. There is fluctuation from one to the other.


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Population
Cousin
Dr Maul
Zoro


Amerindian
-
-
0.17


Arabian
1.49
5.5
2.36


Armenian
9.6
12.37
6.79


Basque
0.2
-
-


Central_African
-
-
-


Central_Euro
0.53
-
1.82


East_African
-
-
-


East_Asian
-
-
-


East_Balkan
1.66
-
-


East_Central_Asian
-
-
3.36


East_Central_Euro
0.48
1.63
-


East_Med
14.87
13.18
14.34


Eastern_Euro
-
0.34
-


Fennoscandian
-
-
-


French
-
-
-


Iberian
0.26
-
-


Indo-Chinese
-
-
1.64


Italian
2.08
5.29
-


Malayan
-
-
-


Near_Eastern
19.93
17.9
16.37


North_African
-
0.52
0.67


North_Atlantic
0.08
-
-


North_Caucasian
17.35
12.54
13.93


North_Sea
-
-
-


Northeast_African
-
-
0.06


Oceanian
-
-
-


Omotic
-
-
0.21


Pygmy
-
-
-


Siberian
-
-
1.23


South_Asian
-
-
-


South_Central_Asian
23.37
25.96
29.93


South_Chinese
-
-
0.13


Volga-Ural
-
-
-


West_African
-
-
-


West_Caucasian
7.86
4.71
6.94


West_Med
0.25
-
-








CAUCASIAN
34.81
29.62
27.66


MIDDLE-EASTERN
21.42
23.4
18.73

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[Dr_Maul]

Keep in mind that these calculators hit on very old common ancestry also. So your 5% Italian is probably nothing more than shared 8000 year old farmer ancestry between Europeans and West Asians.

Well, we have a little more Caucasian and you have a little more Armenian and Middle-Eastern but all in all we are pretty similar. I'm guessing that some Iraqi Kurds will be more like you (especially Feylis) and some more like us. Here is a summary but one shouldn't rely on these calculators as the final word. There is fluctuation from one to the other.


<colgroup width="139"></colgroup> <colgroup width="85" span="3"></colgroup> <tbody>
Population
Cousin
Dr Maul
Zoro


Amerindian
-
-
0.17


Arabian
1.49
5.5
2.36


Armenian
9.6
12.37
6.79


Basque
0.2
-
-


Central_African
-
-
-


Central_Euro
0.53
-
1.82


East_African
-
-
-


East_Asian
-
-
-


East_Balkan
1.66
-
-


East_Central_Asian
-
-
3.36


East_Central_Euro
0.48
1.63
-


East_Med
14.87
13.18
14.34


Eastern_Euro
-
0.34
-


Fennoscandian
-
-
-


French
-
-
-


Iberian
0.26
-
-


Indo-Chinese
-
-
1.64


Italian
2.08
5.29
-


Malayan
-
-
-


Near_Eastern
19.93
17.9
16.37


North_African
-
0.52
0.67


North_Atlantic
0.08
-
-


North_Caucasian
17.35
12.54
13.93


North_Sea
-
-
-


Northeast_African
-
-
0.06


Oceanian
-
-
-


Omotic
-
-
0.21


Pygmy
-
-
-


Siberian
-
-
1.23


South_Asian
-
-
-


South_Central_Asian
23.37
25.96
29.93


South_Chinese
-
-
0.13


Volga-Ural
-
-
-


West_African
-
-
-


West_Caucasian
7.86
4.71
6.94


West_Med
0.25
-
-








CAUCASIAN
34.81
29.62
27.66


MIDDLE-EASTERN
21.42
23.4
18.73

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Cool stuff, thanks for sharing :thumb001:

[Kyp]

How do you think this came about (language change). Qashqais are also nomadic like kurds and resemble them

Is your mom’s side kurd from kernanshah? Do you know which tribe she’s from

Qashqai are not Kurdish. They are of various origins

[Leto]

So which one of the GEDmatch things do you think is the most accurate? Like between the harrapa world and eurogenes etc
Yeah, I think for your background Dod K12b, Harappa and Euro K13 would be the best. However you can also try MDLP K23b.

[Zoro]

Qashqai are not Kurdish. They are of various origins

Well, here I'm quoting Dr Maul


Qashqais (Turkic speaking but genetically Kurdish)

But Wikipedia supports what he said https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qashqai_people


Qashqai (pronounced [qaʃqaːjiː]; also spelled Qashqa'i, 'Qashqay,' Kashkai, Kashkay, Qashqayı, Gashgai, Gashgay, Ghashghaei, in Persian: قشقایی) is a conglomeration of clans in Iran consisting of mostly Turkic peoples but also Lurs, Kurds and Arabs.[4] Almost all of them speak a Western Oghuz Turkic dialect known as the Qashqai language, which they call "Turki", as well as Persian (the national language of Iran) in formal use


Also here https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/qashqai-iran


The Qashqa'i people, composed of Turks, Lurs, Kurds, Arabs, Persians, and Gypsies, traditionally practiced a mixed economy of nomadic pastoralism (sheep and goats, with camels used as transport), cultivation (grains), and weaving.

Here too https://books.google.com/books?id=LCj8dzn0KIMC&pg=PA289&lpg=PA289&dq=qashqai+kurds&source=bl&ots=Gprqwbpw8D&sig=ACfU3U0-3mFTu2PrNITiMhpsQIWAtqpBzA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjn68SV0uLoAhUYqJ4KHW6RAvs4ChDoATACegQID BAo#v=onepage&q=qashqai%20kurds&f=false

https://i.imgur.com/0BCG1XP.jpg

[Kyp]

Well, here I'm quoting Dr Maul



But Wikipedia supports what he said https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qashqai_people




Also here https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/qashqai-iran

And where do the quotes support them being "genetically Kurdish". It just states they have multiple origins (including Kurdish)

[Zoro]

And where do the quotes support them being "genetically Kurdish". It just states they have multiple origins (including Kurdish)

Ok yeah he should have said partially genetically Kurdish

[Dr_Maul]

And where do the quotes support them being "genetically Kurdish". It just states they have multiple origins (including Kurdish)

The largest Qashqai tribe, the Dareshuri, who make up about 65-75% of it, are ethnically mixed between Kurds and Lurs. Assuming there are at least 5 to 10% more Kurds around, that would make the Qashqai between 70-85% Kurdish genetically

[Leto]

What do you get on MDLP K23b?

[Dr_Maul]

What do you get on MDLP K23b?

Pretty different from the others I'd say


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.64
2 South_Central_Asian 27.84
3 Near_East 14.08
4 North_African 7.37
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.06
6 South_Indian 3.15
7 East_Siberian 1.8
8 European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.77
9 European_Early_Farmers 1.73
10 Melano_Polynesian 1.65
11 Australoid 1.09
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.5
13 East_African 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_South ( ) 8.09
2 Kurd_East ( ) 9.07
3 Iranian ( ) 9.68
4 Kurd ( ) 10.88
5 Kurd_North ( ) 12.31
6 Azeri ( ) 12.45
7 Iraki ( ) 13.52
8 Baku_WGA ( ) 14.74
9 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 15.05
10 Iraqi_Mandean ( ) 15.94
11 Ain_Touta_WGA ( ) 16.7
12 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 17.13
13 Turk_Adana ( ) 17.27
14 Kurd_Jew ( ) 17.89
15 Lak ( ) 18.96
16 Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) 19.03
17 Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) 19.11
18 Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) 19.13
19 Tabassaran ( ) 19.46
20 Syrian ( ) 19.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.6% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) + 17.4% Kalash ( ) @ 6.08
2 78.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 21.2% Kalash ( ) @ 6.08
3 80.6% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 19.4% Kalash ( ) @ 6.16
4 70.5% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) + 29.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 6.18
5 93.2% Kurd_East ( ) + 6.8% Mozabite ( ) @ 6.19
6 76.4% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 23.6% Makrani ( ) @ 6.24
7 67.6% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 32.4% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 6.25
8 54.6% Iranian ( ) + 45.4% Kurd ( ) @ 6.27
9 68.4% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) + 31.6% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.28
10 65.1% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 34.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 6.29
11 69.9% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) + 30.1% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 6.34
12 73.3% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 26.7% Makrani ( ) @ 6.36
13 77.6% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 22.4% Balochi ( ) @ 6.37
14 58.6% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) + 41.4% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 6.37
15 75.5% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 24.5% Makrani ( ) @ 6.4
16 92.5% Kurd_East ( ) + 7.5% Saharawi ( ) @ 6.41
17 65.5% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 34.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 6.42
18 67% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 33% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 6.43
19 66.8% Iraqi_Mandean ( ) + 33.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 6.44
20 74.6% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 25.4% Balochi ( ) @ 6.45

[Leto]

Yeah, inaccurate unfortunately.

[Dr_Maul]

Yeah I think Dodecad is the best for me

[Konstantinos]

Completely normal results.

[waam]

Which regions did you get for Iran? I just received my report and it had a likely match to Iran with 5 regions.

[Dr_Maul]

Which regions did you get for Iran? I just received my report and it had a likely match to Iran with 5 regions.

Sorry for the late reply but its

Isfahan, Tehran (Strong Match)
Fars, Khuzestan (Medium Match)
West Azerbaijan (Weak Match)

[Dr_Maul]

And I finally got these things

<a href="https://ibb.co/N6fc679"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/4ZChZJ8/Screenshot-2020-04-24-at-2-16-15-PM.png" alt="Screenshot-2020-04-24-at-2-16-15-PM" border="0"></a>

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[Negah]

Yes, I think its possible too. I think it is a relatively recent mix as well because my father has 100% Iran on 23andme

NVM

[Dr_Maul]

NVM

Wut?

[Negah]

Well my dad and his grandparents are born in Kermanshah but he speaks Persian and is also ethnically Persian (there is a sizable population there). I assume his recent ancestors moved there from Isfahan because that is where I get the strongest match from 23andme (a long with Fars and bushehr, where my Mom’s parents are from). I should mention that my Mom’s grandfather was a Kurd (presumably from iran) and I get a mild match in west Azerbaijan on 23andme which is probably where he was from

Just because 23andme puts in a city it does not mean that you have roots from that city. It just means that your closes relatives are either fully or partially from that city; therefore, it could be misleading to an extent.

[Negah]

Wut?

I asked you where in Iran are your parents from. But you had answered it on page 7.

[Dr_Maul]

Just because 23andme puts in a city it does not mean that you have roots from that city. It just means that your closes relatives are either fully or partially from that city; therefore, it could be misleading to an extent.

I think Kermanshahis are mainly local Kurds but you would know better,

I have heard Kermanshah is 50% Kurdish speakers and 50% Persian-Kermanshahi speakers. If you could verify this from your father. Also, I think The reason Kermanshah is very Persianized is that during the Qajar Period, it severed as the city that Qajars ruled from the western part of Iran. Therefore, Farsi Kermanshahi which is a Persian that is deeply influence by Southern Kurdish languages was developed there exclusively. Some Kurds abandoned Kurdish and now speak Persian -Kermanshiahi

Yeah I get what you mean. I think it is possible that he could be one of those assimilated Kurds that you mention, although I think the fact that I plot closer to the center might say that his recent ancestors migrated to Kermanshah at some point. I'm sure you know Kermanshah has been the frontier with Ottomans for nearly 400 years so maybe his ancestors there were garrisoned from a Persian area. I think maybe this is more likely Genetically as well. He is basically fully Iranian on 23andMe and I assume this is more common among ethnic Persians rather than Kurds although I could be wrong.

[Negah]

Yeah I get what you mean. I think it is possible that he could be one of those assimilated Kurds that you mention, although I think the fact that I plot closer to the center might say that his recent ancestors migrated to Kermanshah at some point. I'm sure you know Kermanshah has been the frontier with Ottomans for nearly 400 years so maybe his ancestors there were garrisoned from a Persian area. I think maybe this is more likely Genetically as well. He is basically fully Iranian on 23andMe and I assume this is more common among ethnic Persians rather than Kurds although I could be wrong.

Then your dad may very well be an Isfahani who moved to Kermanshah

[Negah]

And where do the quotes support them being "genetically Kurdish". It just states they have multiple origins (including Kurdish)

Multi origin makes sense since. These nomadic groups were often a confederation of various groups that were more concerned about making sure they would be able to defend themselves when needed.

[Negah]

The largest Qashqai tribe, the Dareshuri, who make up about 65-75% of it, are ethnically mixed between Kurds and Lurs. Assuming there are at least 5 to 10% more Kurds around, that would make the Qashqai between 70-85% Kurdish genetically

Are you basing that on their genetic results? Where do you get these percentages?

[Leto]

Hey doc, what are your scores from Eurogenes K15? Partcularly the components in bold:

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 38.01
2 East_Med 29.44
3 South_Asian 11.39
4 West_Med 6.57
5 Baltic 6.06
6 Red_Sea 5.67
7 Siberian 1.17
8 Northeast_African 0.72
9 Oceanian 0.64
10 Sub-Saharan 0.32

[Negah]

Well my dad and his grandparents are born in Kermanshah but he speaks Persian and is also ethnically Persian (there is a sizable population there). I assume his recent ancestors moved there from Isfahan because that is where I get the strongest match from 23andme (a long with Fars and bushehr, where my Mom’s parents are from). I should mention that my Mom’s grandfather was a Kurd (presumably from iran) and I get a mild match in west Azerbaijan on 23andme which is probably where he was from

Are they Kurds from West Azerbaijan or Azeris? Also, on 23andme you may get a region because one line of your family may have married someone from Azerbaijan and several individuals from that line have been tested on 23andme. So it shows up on your list; however, you have no ancestry from that region.

The problem for Iranians is that over the past 100 years mixed marriages are very common and that needs to be taken into consideration. Also, the Urbanization of Iran has destroyed most of these ethnic lines.

this tool on 23andme can be very deceiving and inaccurate. I have several close relatives on it that have Khorasani parents and yet I am not related to the part of their family but it shows Khorasan on the tool for me. Therefore, it is very inaccurate.

[Leto]

this tool on 23andme can be very deceiving and inaccurate. I have several close relatives on it that have Khorasani parents and yet I am not related to the part of their family but it shows Khorasan on the tool for me. Therefore, it is very inaccurate.
Did you take the test? Have you ever shared your results with the Apricity?

[Kyp]

Are they Kurds from West Azerbaijan or Azeris? Also, on 23andme you may get a region because one line of your family may have married someone from Azerbaijan and several individuals from that line have been tested on 23andme. So it shows up on your list; however, you have no ancestry from that region.

The problem for Iranians is that over the past 100 years mixed marriages are very common and that needs to be taken into consideration. Also, the Urbanization of Iran has destroyed most of these ethnic lines.

this tool on 23andme can be very deceiving and inaccurate. I have several close relatives on it that have Khorasani parents and yet I am not related to the part of their family but it shows Khorasan on the tool for me. Therefore, it is very inaccurate.

I never took the region part of their breakdown too seriously.

Btw like Leto I would also be interested in your results.

[Negah]

Did you take the test? Have you ever shared your results with the Apricity?

Yes, but I don't like to share my results

[Negah]

I never took the region part of their breakdown too seriously.

Btw like Leto I would also be interested in your results.

Also, they only create results on the people who actually report the place of the birth of their grandparents, and this information is voluntarily not mandatory. So it is a very flawed tool just like most of these DNA companies.

[Leto]

Yes, but I don't like to share my results
Why? Share your Gedmatch and haplogroups at least.

[Negah]

Why? Share your Gedmatch and haplogroups at least.

My G25

Target: Iranian_scaled
Distance: 2.6938% / 0.02693840
64.4 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
27.0 TKM_IA
6.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
2.4 MNG_Hovsgol_BA

[Leto]

My G25

Target: Iranian_scaled
Distance: 2.6938% / 0.02693840
64.4 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
27.0 TKM_IA
6.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
2.4 MNG_Hovsgol_BA
I'm not so interested in G25 personally. But if you have your own reasons not to share, so be it.

[Dr_Maul]

Hey doc, what are your scores from Eurogenes K15? Partcularly the components in bold:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 33.28
2 East_Med 31.67
3 South_Asian 12.19
4 Eastern_Euro 6.59
5 Red_Sea 5.54
6 Baltic 4.92
7 West_Med 3.5
8 Siberian 0.7
9 Oceanian 0.6
10 Atlantic 0.51
11 Sub-Saharan 0.42
12 Northeast_African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 4.57
2 Kurdish 5.27
3 Azeri 7.89
4 Georgian_Jewish 11.56
5 Turkish 11.93
6 Armenian 12.13
7 Assyrian 12.67
8 Iranian_Jewish 14.02
9 Turkmen 16
10 Kurdish_Jewish 16.06
11 Lebanese_Muslim 18.18
12 Kumyk 18.93
13 Syrian 19.09
14 Makrani 20.49
15 Cyprian 22.05
16 Lezgin 23.01
17 Adygei 23.04
18 Georgian 23.09
19 Lebanese_Christian 23.35
20 Lebanese_Druze 23.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.3% Kurdish + 4.7% North_Kannadi @ 4.12
2 95.6% Kurdish + 4.4% Sakilli @ 4.14
3 95.6% Kurdish + 4.4% Chamar @ 4.15
4 95.5% Kurdish + 4.5% Piramalai @ 4.15
5 95.3% Kurdish + 4.7% Dusadh @ 4.16
6 95.1% Kurdish + 4.9% Velamas @ 4.17
7 95.2% Kurdish + 4.8% Kurumba @ 4.18
8 95.1% Kurdish + 4.9% Kanjar @ 4.18
9 95.4% Kurdish + 4.6% Chenchu @ 4.18
10 95.2% Kurdish + 4.8% Uttar_Pradesh @ 4.19
11 95% Kurdish + 5% Dharkar @ 4.19
12 95.3% Kurdish + 4.7% Kol @ 4.19
13 94.5% Kurdish + 5.5% Kshatriya @ 4.24
14 94.7% Kurdish + 5.3% Bangladeshi @ 4.26
15 94.4% Kurdish + 5.6% Gujarati @ 4.26
16 94.5% Kurdish + 5.5% Brahmin_UP @ 4.33
17 92.9% Kurdish + 7.1% Sindhi @ 4.34
18 87.1% Kurdish + 12.9% Makrani @ 4.35
19 96% Kurdish + 4% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 4.37
20 92.3% Kurdish + 7.7% Pathan @ 4.37

[Dr_Maul]

Are they Kurds from West Azerbaijan or Azeris? Also, on 23andme you may get a region because one line of your family may have married someone from Azerbaijan and several individuals from that line have been tested on 23andme. So it shows up on your list; however, you have no ancestry from that region.

The problem for Iranians is that over the past 100 years mixed marriages are very common and that needs to be taken into consideration. Also, the Urbanization of Iran has destroyed most of these ethnic lines.

this tool on 23andme can be very deceiving and inaccurate. I have several close relatives on it that have Khorasani parents and yet I am not related to the part of their family but it shows Khorasan on the tool for me. Therefore, it is very inaccurate.

I don’t know where he was from specifically and all my mom knows is that he was Kurdish primarily. He could be an Iraqi or Anatolian Kurd for all I know. However since I get a match in West Azerbaijan it’s possible he was from there. I likely have Azeri ancestors because I have recent ancestors from Tehran on 23andMe (I know you said it’s not really accurate but I think it’s not too far from me personally) and I’m sure you know they’re all mixed mongrels especially with Azeris

[Babak]

I don’t know where he was from specifically and all my mom knows is that he was Kurdish primarily. He could be an Iraqi or Anatolian Kurd for all I know. However since I get a match in West Azerbaijan it’s possible he was from there. I likely have Azeri ancestors because I have recent ancestors from Tehran on 23andMe (I know you said it’s not really accurate but I think it’s not too far from me personally) and I’m sure you know they’re all mixed mongrels especially with Azeris

So youre a kurdish+persian+azeri mutt?

[Dr_Maul]

So youre a kurdish+persian+azeri mutt?

Well, not exactly lol. Technically I am only supposed to be 7/8 Persian + 1/8 Kurd but since I am half Bushehri then there is some added Semitics. Other than that my guess about having distant Azeri ancestors is merely estimation based on geography, although with my ~1% Siberian it is possible

[Babak]

I don’t know where he was from specifically and all my mom knows is that he was Kurdish primarily. He could be an Iraqi or Anatolian Kurd for all I know. However since I get a match in West Azerbaijan it’s possible he was from there. I likely have Azeri ancestors because I have recent ancestors from Tehran on 23andMe (I know you said it’s not really accurate but I think it’s not too far from me personally) and I’m sure you know they’re all mixed mongrels especially with Azeris

So youre a kurdish+persian+azeri mutt?

[waam]

Sorry for the late reply but its

Isfahan, Tehran (Strong Match)
Fars, Khuzestan (Medium Match)
West Azerbaijan (Weak Match)

Same here, strong match with Isfahan and weak matches with West Azerbaijan and Fars (as well as Tehran). Don't have known ancestry from any of these regions though.

[JamesBond007]

There are multiple updated oracles on Vahaduo.

If you think using GEDmatch with Vahaduo is significantly less nerdy than using G25 with Vahaduo then you are smoking crack cocaine. Actually, it's easier to use G25 with Vahaduo as you can just copy and paste where with GEDmatch it is more a pain in the ass to enter your numbers in with Vahaduo.


You're a bit obsessed with the holy G25. It's overrated and most people outside this forum don't even use Gedmatch, let alone that nerdy stuff. I have my coordinates but still feel more comfortable using GM.

How is G25 overrated exactly ?

[Dr_Maul]

Same here, strong match with Isfahan and weak matches with West Azerbaijan and Fars (as well as Tehran). Don't have known ancestry from any of these regions though.

Not surprising at all really. The biggest Persian Jewish communities were always in Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz (Fars). West Azerbaijan is probably from any recent Mountain Jew ancestry and I doubt its from the Kurdish parts

[waam]

Not surprising at all really. The biggest Persian Jewish communities were always in Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz (Fars). West Azerbaijan is probably from any recent Mountain Jew ancestry and I doubt its from the Kurdish parts
Yeah. Though it means Mountain and Persian Jews are more interrelated than I thought if it can point I'm strongly matched with Iran with actually regions.

[Dr_Maul]

Yeah. Though it means Mountain and Persian Jews are more interrelated than I thought if it can point I'm strongly matched with Iran with actually regions.

It is not surprising, Mountain Jews are the descendants of Persian Jews in the first place, albeit with additional Kavkaz/Turk DNA in some cases

[waam]

It is not surprising, Mountain Jews are the descendants of Persian Jews in the first place, albeit with additional Kavkaz/Turk DNA in some cases

Yeah that's for sure and as I've shown you our language is Iranian and closely related to Farsi, but some say the split occurred as long ago as more than a thousand years so it caught me off guard (although some say I've read some say it was only about 300 years ago, it's not known for certain).

[Dr_Maul]

Yeah that's for sure and as I've shown you our language is Iranian and closely related to Farsi, but some say the split occurred as long ago as more than a thousand years so it caught me off guard (although some say I've read some say it was only about 300 years ago, it's not known for certain).

The first split did occur a while ago but there have been many ‘splits’ in this context so some mountain Jews will have more recent Persian ancestry than others, based off of how strong your matches are I assume your split was one of the later ones (Qajar era)

[waam]

The first split did occur a while ago but there have been many ‘splits’ in this context so some mountain Jews will have more recent Persian ancestry than others, based off of how strong your matches are I assume your split was one of the later ones (Qajar era)

Makes sense.

[Dr_Maul]

Kinda trash but it was free so why not

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[Babak]

See? I knew you were a mutt dawg. Its aight tho.

[Dr_Maul]

See? I knew you were a mutt dawg. Its aight tho.

Kinda hard to not be a mutt when they've grouped like 7 unrelated countries in the same category lmao

[Kyp]

Kinda trash but it was free so why not

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Which site is this?

[Dr_Maul]

Which site is this?

LivingDNA

[Dr_Maul]

Chris's thread reminded me to post my DNA.LAND stuff. My expectations were low to begin with, but holy crap

https://i.ibb.co/WggSmz7/Screenshot-2020-05-03-at-6-02-42-PM.png

[Leto]

Chris's thread reminded me to post my DNA.LAND stuff. My expectations were low to begin with, but holy crap

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25% Jewish is enough to become Israeli xD

[Malagueña]

25% Jewish is enough to become Israeli xD

You do not become Israeli, you are born Israeli :jewish:

[Rabbit Hole]

Nice result and goodbye buddy

[Dr_Maul]

25% Jewish is enough to become Israeli xD

It's actually quite ironic because I looked into my family details and apparently my mothers maiden name is supposedly a Persian Jewish last name (Not sure how true it is, it is a pretty common one). Bushehr also had a couple hundred Jewish families before they later moved around during the Qajar era. I guess its possible that some of her semitic is from them

[Dr_Maul]

Also have these

https://i.ibb.co/5hhQbbr/Screenshot-2020-05-04-at-9-26-02-PM.png

https://i.ibb.co/DgrzHB7/Screenshot-2020-05-04-at-9-25-35-PM.png

I didn't bother to take a third screenshot just to get the top row of the neolithic europe section because all of the samples had a really insignificant number except for the neolithic Hungary and Germany which were both low too (19 and 20)
By the way, wassup with that Crimean Ostrogoth distance? Seems kinda fishy, dude was probably an assimilated Alan or something

[Rgvgjhvv]

Bronze Age Levantine Pride

[Dr_Maul]

Bronze Age Levantine Pride

Please, I'd rather not be reminded of all that

[Dr_Maul]

Not sure how reliable it is, but here is my YourDnaPortal K47 results
Guess I am only 22% Iranian now :hitler:
Its also the highest percentage of East African I have ever gotten, and 0% Turkic??? (Unless Uralic is included as Turkic, not sure)

Population Percentage
Kushitic 2.50%
North African 2.54%
South Caucasian 17.82%
North Caucasian 8.67%
Paleo Balkan 5.81%
East Mediterranean 12.02%
Munda 0.53%
Arabic 8.34%
South Indian 0.67%
North Sea Germanic 1.48%
Uralic 3.07%
Sahelian 0.36%
North West Indian 4.50%
Iranian 22.14%
Papuan 0.61%
West Mediterranean
0.32%
Pamirian 4.15%
Central Mediterranean 4.46%

[Rgvgjhvv]

Is the Gujarat thing real?

[Dr_Maul]

Is the Gujarat thing real?

Wdym?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Wdym?

In your 23andMe results, it links you genetically to Gujarat Province, India.

[Dr_Maul]

In your 23andMe results, it links you genetically to Gujarat Province, India.

Well, I don't know if its 'real' or not although my maternal side is from the Gulf which has had extensive connection to Gujarat for trade for at least 2000 years at this point
Here is the GEDmatch of another Gulfer posted in the west asian Harappaworld thread
5 70.3% iranian (behar) + 29.7% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 3.97
and another
6 56.4% iranian (behar) + 43.6% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 5.83

likewise, some Gujarati ones
2 74.9% Kanjar + 25.1% Balochi @ 2.79
6 87.7% dusadh (metspalu) + 12.3% makrani (hgdp) @ 1.96

I also have 2 Gujarati relatives on 23andMe who both have paternal grandparents born in the same province as my mom, so thats probably it

[Rgvgjhvv]

Well, I don't know if its 'real' or not although my maternal side is from the Gulf which has had extensive connection to Gujarat for trade for at least 2000 years at this point
Here is the GEDmatch of another Gulfer posted in the west asian Harappaworld thread
5 70.3% iranian (behar) + 29.7% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 3.97
and another
6 56.4% iranian (behar) + 43.6% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 5.83

likewise, some Gujarati ones
2 74.9% Kanjar + 25.1% Balochi @ 2.79
6 87.7% dusadh (metspalu) + 12.3% makrani (hgdp) @ 1.96

I also have 2 Gujarati relatives on 23andMe who both have paternal grandparents born in the same province as my mom, so thats probably it

Oh wow I had absolutely no idea about that connection. It's way closer geographically than I realized. But yeah I think it must be your last point for sure. Super interesting though.

[Kyp]

Can you post Eurogenes k12b?

[Dr_Maul]

Can you post Eurogenes k12b?

Sorry this is late

Population
Western European -
Siberian 1.26 Pct
East African 0.88 Pct
West Central Asian 26.29 Pct
South Asian 5.76 Pct
West African 0.22 Pct
Caucasus 30.22 Pct
Finnish -
Mediterranean 15.61 Pct
Southwest Asian 13.45 Pct
North European 6.31 Pct
East Asian -

Btw, because you are part West Asian I would recommend you take another look at MyTrueAncestry, they have just added some new Neolithic Azerbaijan, Alanic, Anatolian and other relevant samples