Croats from Grude, west Herzegovina

[Jana]

Can they pass in your country?

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https://www.grude-online.info/foto-predstavljamo-50-generaciju-grudskih-maturanata/
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[Pribislav]

Opinions of Albo users would be interesting to see.

[Dorian]

Opinions of Albo users would be interesting to see.

And of Bulgarians & Skopjans I would add.

[Pribislav]

Two guys with surname Miloš here! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miloš_Obilić
https://www.grude-online.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/4a.jpg

[Vojnik]

They fit in Macedonia.

[Jana]

Two guys with surname Miloš here!

Not a single with surname Obilić though :laugh:
That's common Herzegovina Croat name.

Miloš Obilić was from Tropolje, anyway.
Core of Croat ethnic lands, interesting...

xD

[Pribislav]

And of Bulgarians & Skopjans I would add.

I said Albanian, because some historians claim that Catholic Albanians from N. Albanian settled in Grude in 17th century and later became Croatians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruda_(tribe)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grude

[Jana]

I said Albanian, because some historians claim that Catholic Albanians from N. Albanian settled in Grude in 17th century and later became Croatians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruda_(tribe)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grude

Gruda/Grude is a Slavic toponym and has meaning in our language, idiot.
This Albanian tribe was obviously Slavic influenced, not the opposite. Read your own links before posting.


The name is derived from the Slavic term gruda, meaning "soil, sod".

Just another nonsense from you.

[Pribislav]

Not a single with surname Obilić though :laugh:
That's common Herzegovina Croat name.

Miloš Obilić was from Tropolje, anyway.
Core of Croat ethnic lands, interesting...

xD

Miloš is pure Serbian name.

Serbs with surname Miloš are from here https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrbnik_(Biskupija)

Serbs with surname Milaš (recorded as Miloš in some documents) are from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civljane

Miloši from Vrbnik and Milaši from Civljane are of same paternal origin, they came to Dalmatia from Duvno field in 1692.

Nikodim Milaš very important figure for Dalmatian Serbs originated from Civljane (his mother was Italian btw) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikodim_Milaš

[Vojnik]

Agreed Milos is Serb name. And agreed Grude tribe has Slavic origins.

[Jana]

Agreed Milos is Serb name. And agreed Grude tribe has Slavic origins.

Miloš is a surname among Croats, not a personal name. And there are no Serbs with that surname. But Croats never use personal name Miloš.

[Jana]

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[CommonSense]

I guess they can pass, but their features seem kinda off. Many are very dark btw, if they were some other ethnicity I bet you'd never say they could pass in Croatia :D

[Jana]

I guess they can pass, but their features seem kinda off. Many are very dark btw, if they were some other ethnicity I bet you'd never say they could pass in Croatia :D

They are not dark at all, and it just proves nonsense myths about their darkness.

[Jana]

Just average southern Slavs.

[Pribislav]

Many surnames of these graduates exist among Serbs.

[CommonSense]

They are not dark at all, and it just proves nonsense myths about their darkness.



I was talking about the kids in the graduate galleries specifically. Many have black hair, olive skin just like people further in the Balkans. As for the group photos, many are taken in strong lighting, distorting the reality a bit. I noticed Pribislav likes to post those kinds of pics too.

[Jana]

I was talking about the kids in the graduate galleries specifically. Many have black hair, olive skin just like people further in the Balkans. As for the group photos, many are taken in strong lighting, distorting the reality a bit. I noticed Pribislav likes to post those kinds of pics too.

I don't see that many olive skinned and black haired people at all, but I see blonds with northern features some claim that don't exist in this region :rolleyes:
Lighting in the OP photos is quite dark but they don't look weird at all.

Pretty average Croats and south Slavs. Maybe you expect we look like Swedes, idk.

And they don't have this extreme dinaric look at all. Incredible how many shit on this people, especially frustrated Serbs like Katiniss/Rv12aval or Pribislav.

[Pribislav]

I don't see that many olive skinned and black haired people at all, but I see blonds with northern features some claim that don't exist in this region :rolleyes:
Lighting in the OP photos is quite dark but they don't look weird at all.

Pretty average Croats and south Slavs. Maybe you expect we look like Swedes, idk.

And they don't have this extreme dinaric look at all. Incredible how many shit on this people, especially frustrated Serbs like Katiniss/Rv12aval or Pribislav.

Sorry, claim of connection between Grude and N. Albania is not my fabrication. It's claim of some historians.

[MoroLP]

Miloš is a surname among Croats, not a personal name. And there are no Serbs with that surname. But Croats never use personal name Miloš.

Croats use or better to say used it more often before as a personal name. Know personally at least two Croats with a surname and a personal name.

[Jana]

Sorry, claim of connection between Grude and N. Albania is not my fabrication. It's claim of some historians.

First of all I like Albanians and consider them related to us south Slavs with quite bigger overlap than many people think.
I just don't believe any Albanian masses settled in Grude, it seem to be stupid claim of some (Serb?) ''historian'' based on similar names.

Croats in west Herzegovina have some of lowest amounts of Paleo-Balkan ydna in practically whole ex-Yugoslavia.

[Jana]

Croats use or better to say used it more often before as a personal name. Know personally at least two Croats with a surname and a personal name.

I didn't know that, interesting.

[Vojnik]

First of all I like Albanians and consider them related to us south Slavs with quite bigger overlap than many people think.
I just don't believe any Albanian masses settled in Grude, it seem to be stupid claim of some (Serb?) ''historian'' based on similar names.

Croats in west Herzegovina have some of lowest amounts of Paleo-Balkan ydna in practically whole ex-Yugoslavia.

Haplogoup I2 is the biggest in Herzegovina right?

[Pribislav]

First of all I like Albanians and consider them related to us south Slavs with quite bigger overlap than many people think.
I just don't believe any Albanian masses settled in Grude, it seem to be stupid claim of some (Serb?) ''historian'' based on similar names.

Croats in west Herzegovina have some of lowest amounts of Paleo-Balkan ydna in practically whole ex-Yugoslavia.

Tell this to Bosniensis. :)

[Jana]

Haplogoup I2 is the biggest in Herzegovina right?

Yes, PH908 branch :)

[Pribislav]

Haplogoup I2 is the biggest in Herzegovina right?

Ostoja Rajaković, Radoslav Hlapen, Mrnjavčevići and onder Serbian noblemans from 14th century originated from Herzegovina and southern Dalmatia have spread I2a in Macedonia as clerks of tsar Dušen. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostoja_Rajaković

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radoslav_Hlapen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrnjavčevići

[Joso]

Miloš is pure Serbian name.

Serbs with surname Miloš are from here https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrbnik_(Biskupija)

Serbs with surname Milaš (recorded as Miloš in some documents) are from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civljane

Miloši from Vrbnik and Milaši from Civljane are of same paternal origin, they came to Dalmatia from Duvno field in 1692.

Nikodim Milaš very important figure for Dalmatian Serbs originated from Civljane (his mother was Italian btw) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikodim_Milaš

https://img.itch.zone/aW1nLzIyNjM4NzQucG5n/original/u72gvw.png

[pelikarski]

How well these Bulgarian turks pass in Herzegovina?

https://issuu.com/albumnaklasa/docs/_______5_ruen__-_12_______________2

[Jana]

How well these Bulgarian turks pass in Herzegovina?

https://issuu.com/albumnaklasa/docs/_______5_ruen__-_12_______________2

Really well, they look familiar.

[Universe]

Around 80% similarity with Hungarians. Don't find them different to Croatian Croats.

[Jana]

Around 80% similarity with Hungarians. Don't find them different to Croatian Croats.

True. Even in Slavonia lot of people look like this and have similar genetic results.

[CommonSense]

Around 80% similarity with Hungarians. Don't find them different to Croatian Croats.

I can't agree with this. They look quite different from the locals in Zagreb.

[Glauk]

They don’t pass as Albanians or i don’t see any resemblance with us, weird head shapes,hairlines, faces,the girls a little more but the guys look very balkan slavic

[Glauk]

They don’t pass as Albanians or i don’t see any resemblance with us, weird head shapes,hairlines, faces,the girls a little more but the guys look very balkan slavic

[Jana]

They don’t pass as Albanians or i don’t see any resemblance with us, weird head shapes,hairlines, faces,the girls a little more but the guys look very balkan slavic

Weird head shapes?

[Glauk]

Weird head shapes?

Not albanian like

[Jana]

Not albanian like

Thanks for clarification. I agree they look regular Balkan Slavs, not Albanian like some weird stereotypes say.

[Erronkari]

Very interesting to see Bilos surname in one of the people there, so I see it’s definitely croat.
This former soccer player’s name is Daniel Bilos, and his paternal grandpa was Croatian.
I thought the surname was changed or it was very rare but it seems not… :thumb001:

https://i.ibb.co/whp0Bs1/338658-A0-F33-A-42-B2-A78-D-3-EB93245-C51-B.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[aherne]

Absolutely no difference from Serbs! Mainly Neolithic types (Pontid, Dinaric, Alpine) with Slavic influences... In Zagreb and Kvarner I saw a lot more people that would look atypical in Belgrade, but these ones definitely don't fit the bill. Interesting that they are both blonder and darker than Romanians:
- you find true blondes which don't exist here
- you find deeply near eastern faces (Ibrahimovic types) that also don't exist here

[Insuperable]

Too lazy to post pictures so I will just post some links

https://www.grude-online.info/foto-nightlife-u-grudama/
https://www.grude-online.info/nightlife-vesela-atmosfera-u-grudskim-kaficima-foto/
https://www.grude-online.info/foto-grudske-uciteljice-pobjednice-tradicionalne-manfiestacije-rastikijada-2021/

[Insuperable]

https://www.grude-online.info/foto-bozicni-vikend-u-grudama/

[Jana]

Nice contributions, thanks! :)

[Russki]

Wtf I love Croatia now

[Jana]

Wtf I love Croatia now

I love Russia too

[RogueState]

They look more Med than other Croatians, which is expected given their coastal locations near Montenegro

[Insuperable]

With a Japanese family and some others lulz
https://www.grude-online.info/foto-u-grudama-odrzana-rastikijada-najveci-kulinarski-dogadaj-u-hercegovini/

[Vožd]

Miloš is pure Serbian name.

Serbs with surname Miloš are from here https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrbnik_(Biskupija)

Serbs with surname Milaš (recorded as Miloš in some documents) are from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civljane

Miloši from Vrbnik and Milaši from Civljane are of same paternal origin, they came to Dalmatia from Duvno field in 1692.

Nikodim Milaš very important figure for Dalmatian Serbs originated from Civljane (his mother was Italian btw) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikodim_Milaš

Miloš is Pan-Slavic name. Czech president for example (Miloš Zeman).

[Varda]

Miloš is Pan-Slavic name. Czech president for example (Miloš Zeman).

In this region name Miloš is associated with Serbs. Among Czechs and Poles exist as well but it's rare. 99% of people with name Miloš are Serbs. Same goes for Dušan, except among Serbs exist among Slovaks and Macedonians but it's rare. Vast majority Dušani are Serbs.

My great-great-grandfather from mother's side born in 1879. was Miloš and he was peasant. Miloš Obrenović was also born as peasant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miloš_Obrenović
One of the local "Morlach" leaders from northern Dalmatia recorded in early 17th century was Miloš Županović.
We know for Miloš Obilić Serbian national hero, but also existed Serbian medieval nobleman Miloš Vojinović https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miloš_Vojinović

Name Miloš among Serbs have continuity from the middle age until today. Unlike some other Serbian names which existed in the middle age, later disappeared for centuries and in modern periods again become popular.

In my opinion Miloš and Milica are most beautiful Serbian names (male and female).