Haplogroup J2a From Balkan Highland Regions

[Black Wolf]

I am curious about Y-DNA haplogroup J2a from the highland regions of the Balkans? Anyone here know of any J2a results from highland areas of anywhere in the Balkan countries?

[Pine]

Wrong forum to ask. Everyone here is retarded. Why are you isolating the highland regions? What's your deepest known subclade?

[Kaspias]

I know a Pomak from mountainous part of Drama.

[Black Wolf]

Wrong forum to ask. Everyone here is retarded. Why are you isolating the highland regions? What's your deepest known subclade?

I am interested in highland areas in terms of history and ethnology. I am interested in all J2a not just my own subclade.

[Pater Patota]

J2a from highland Balkan areas, hmmmm...Turkish members would say they’re Ottoman Turks.

[CommonSense]

It only exists in relevant numbers in Montenegro, though certain unrelated branches can be found in other places sporadically. Among the 23 tested people with Vlach/Romanian roots from eastern Serbia, five of them were found to be J2a carriers. It's a significant percentage, but the sample is quite small.

[vbnetkhio]

I am curious about Y-DNA haplogroup J2a from the highland regions of the Balkans? Anyone here know of any J2a results from highland areas of anywhere in the Balkan countries?

https://i.imgur.com/USG2cAJ.png

There are hotspots in Montenegro, Herzegovina and the Balkan mountains in Bulgaria according to this map.

[Jana]

J2a should be around half of total Croatian J2. But I would expect more of it on islands and the coast rather than in mountain regions.
There was a Croat TA member who is J2a-M67, he was from hilly region of NW Croatia though.

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/USG2cAJ.png

There are hotspots some in Montenegro, Herzegovina and the Balkan mountains in Bulgaria according to this map.

Pješivci and Cuce are J2a-M92>Z8096>S8230.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pješivci
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuce

Their paternal ancestor probably arrived to the Montenegro in 15th century from Italy accompanied of Jelisaveta wife of Đurađ Crnojević (she was from Venetian noble family) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đurađ_Crnojević

[Epirus DNA]

I am J2a from the Pogoni region of Greece, North of Ioannina. From what I understand, you're Calabrian. Epirotes and the Magna Grecia colonies in Italy have genetic affinities.

Quite a few ancient Mediterranean and Middle Eastern civilisations flourished in territories where J2 lineages were preponderant. This is the case of the Hattians, the Hurrians, the Etruscans, the Minoans, the Greeks, the Phoenicians (and their Carthaginian offshoot), the Israelites, and to a lower extent also the Romans, the Assyrians and the Persians. All the great seafaring civilisations from the middle Bronze Age to the Iron Age were dominated by J2 men.

EUPEDIA LINK: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml

The world's highest frequency of J2 is found among the Ingush (88% of the male lineages) and Chechen (56%) people in the Northeast Caucasus. Both belong to the Nakh ethnic group, who have inhabited that territory since at least 3000 BCE. Their language is distantly related to Dagestanian languages, but not to any other linguistic group. However, Dagestani peoples (Dargins, Lezgins, Avars) belong predominantly to haplogroup J1 (84% among the Dargins) and almost completely lack J2 lineages. Other high incidence of haplogroup J2 are found in many other Caucasian populations, including the Azeri (30%), the Georgians (27%), the Kumyks (25%), and the Armenians (22%). Nevertheless, it is very unlikely that haplogroups J2 originated in the Caucasus because of the low genetic diversity in the region. Most Caucasian people belong to the same CTS6804 subclade and share a common patrilineal ancestor who lived some 7,500 years ago, at the time of the Neolithic expansion to the Caucasus.

The Chechens and Ingushs belong almost exclusively to the Y7800 clade, which formed only 2,000 years ago and has a TMRCA of approximately 1,500 years. The high local frequencies observed would rather be the result of founder effects, for instance the proliferation of chieftains and kings's lineages through a long tradition of polygamy, a practice that the Russians have tried to suppress since their conquest of the Caucasus in the 19th century.

Outside the Caucasus, the highest frequencies of J2 are observed in Cyprus (37%), Crete (34%), northern Iraq (28%), Lebanon (26%), Turkey (24%, with peaks of 30% in the Marmara region and in central Anatolia), Greece (23%), Central Italy (23%), Sicily (23%), South Italy (21.5%), and Albania (19.5%), as well as among Jewish people (19 to 25%).

One fourth of the Vlach people (isolated communities of Romance language speakers in the Balkans) belong to J2, considerably more than the average of Macedonia and northern Greece where they live. This, combined to the fact that they speak a language descended from Latin, suggests that they could have a greater part of Roman (or at least Italian) ancestry than other ethnic groups in the Balkans.

EUPEDIA LINK: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml



I3708, I3709, I3920, Neolithic, 5500-3700 BCE

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616)

I3708
mtDNA: T1a

I3709
mtDNA: K1b1a

I3920
mtDNA: H

I2318, Final Neolithic, 4043-3947 calBCE

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616)

I2318
mtDNA: H2

I0071, I0070, I0073, I0074, I9005, Minoan, 2000-1700 BCE

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
doi:10.1038/nature23310

I0071:
mtDNA: U5a1

I0070:
mtDNA: H13a1
Y-DNA: J2a1d

I0073:
mtDNA: H
Y-DNA: J2a1

I0074:
mtDNA: H5

I9005:
mtDNA: H

I9033, Mycenaean, 1416-1280 calBCE

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
doi:10.1038/nature23310

I9033:
mtDNA: H

I9006, Mycenaean, 1411-1262 cal BCE

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
doi:10.1038/nature23310

I9006:
mtDNA: X2d


I9010, I9041, Mycenaean, 1700-1200 BCE

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
doi:10.1038/nature23310

I9010:
mtDNA: X2

I9041:
mtDNA: X2

[Coolguy1]

I am J2a from the Pogoni region of Greece, North of Ioannina. From what I understand, you're Calabrian. Epirotes and the Magna Grecia colonies in Italy have genetic affinities.

Quite a few ancient Mediterranean and Middle Eastern civilisations flourished in territories where J2 lineages were preponderant. This is the case of the Hattians, the Hurrians, the Etruscans, the Minoans, the Greeks, the Phoenicians (and their Carthaginian offshoot), the Israelites, and to a lower extent also the Romans, the Assyrians and the Persians. All the great seafaring civilisations from the middle Bronze Age to the Iron Age were dominated by J2 men.

EUPEDIA LINK: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml

The world's highest frequency of J2 is found among the Ingush (88% of the male lineages) and Chechen (56%) people in the Northeast Caucasus. Both belong to the Nakh ethnic group, who have inhabited that territory since at least 3000 BCE. Their language is distantly related to Dagestanian languages, but not to any other linguistic group. However, Dagestani peoples (Dargins, Lezgins, Avars) belong predominantly to haplogroup J1 (84% among the Dargins) and almost completely lack J2 lineages. Other high incidence of haplogroup J2 are found in many other Caucasian populations, including the Azeri (30%), the Georgians (27%), the Kumyks (25%), and the Armenians (22%). Nevertheless, it is very unlikely that haplogroups J2 originated in the Caucasus because of the low genetic diversity in the region. Most Caucasian people belong to the same CTS6804 subclade and share a common patrilineal ancestor who lived some 7,500 years ago, at the time of the Neolithic expansion to the Caucasus.

The Chechens and Ingushs belong almost exclusively to the Y7800 clade, which formed only 2,000 years ago and has a TMRCA of approximately 1,500 years. The high local frequencies observed would rather be the result of founder effects, for instance the proliferation of chieftains and kings's lineages through a long tradition of polygamy, a practice that the Russians have tried to suppress since their conquest of the Caucasus in the 19th century.

Outside the Caucasus, the highest frequencies of J2 are observed in Cyprus (37%), Crete (34%), northern Iraq (28%), Lebanon (26%), Turkey (24%, with peaks of 30% in the Marmara region and in central Anatolia), Greece (23%), Central Italy (23%), Sicily (23%), South Italy (21.5%), and Albania (19.5%), as well as among Jewish people (19 to 25%).

One fourth of the Vlach people (isolated communities of Romance language speakers in the Balkans) belong to J2, considerably more than the average of Macedonia and northern Greece where they live. This, combined to the fact that they speak a language descended from Latin, suggests that they could have a greater part of Roman (or at least Italian) ancestry than other ethnic groups in the Balkans.

EUPEDIA LINK: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml



I3708, I3709, I3920, Neolithic, 5500-3700 BCE

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616)

I3708
mtDNA: T1a

I3709
mtDNA: K1b1a

I3920
mtDNA: H

I2318, Final Neolithic, 4043-3947 calBCE

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616)

I2318
mtDNA: H2

I0071, I0070, I0073, I0074, I9005, Minoan, 2000-1700 BCE

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
doi:10.1038/nature23310

I0071:
mtDNA: U5a1

I0070:
mtDNA: H13a1
Y-DNA: J2a1d

I0073:
mtDNA: H
Y-DNA: J2a1

I0074:
mtDNA: H5

I9005:
mtDNA: H

I9033, Mycenaean, 1416-1280 calBCE

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
doi:10.1038/nature23310

I9033:
mtDNA: H

I9006, Mycenaean, 1411-1262 cal BCE

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
doi:10.1038/nature23310

I9006:
mtDNA: X2d


I9010, I9041, Mycenaean, 1700-1200 BCE

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html
doi:10.1038/nature23310

I9010:
mtDNA: X2

I9041:
mtDNA: X2

What is your subclade?

[Epirus DNA]

What is your subclade?

I've not done the Big Y yet.
Morely says I'm either J2a-L26 or J2a L198 L88

[Black Wolf]

Pješivci and Cuce are J2a-M92>Z8096>S8230.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pješivci
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuce

Their paternal ancestor probably arrived to the Montenegro in 15th century from Italy accompanied of Jelisaveta wife of Đurađ Crnojević (she was from Venetian noble family) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đurađ_Crnojević

Yes I know of these results very well. These two tribes are solidly J2a-S8230.

[Black Wolf]

It only exists in relevant numbers in Montenegro, though certain unrelated branches can be found in other places sporadically. Among the 23 tested people with Vlach/Romanian roots from eastern Serbia, five of them were found to be J2a carriers. It's a significant percentage, but the sample is quite small.

So there are some J2a results from Vlach people from Eastern Serbia on 23andme?

[Pater Patota]

Probably I’m Armenian branch of J2-m92.

[gültekin]

:laugh:
https://j2-m172.info/2015/06/j2a2-ph3085-sk1403-ancient-altai-modern-uygur-turkish/

[Nurzat]

Morley says I am J-L210 (J2a1b3*) but it's still too broad, I want to take the Y test soon, to know my precise subclade under L210. I suspect I must be the subclade found in two men of Ivano-Frankivsk oblast' and one of Ternopil oblast', since my paternal line is from the same ethnographic region. L210 is already overwhelmingly Eastern Euro (Ukraine, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Russia) and then also a few Germanic clades (Germany, UK). so L210 seems to be a clade that went north of Caucasus in Indo-European times and took part in the Balto-Slavic ethnogenesis - could even be so old in the region that a subclade of it went away with the tribe that later on split into Germanics, Celts and Italics. also, L210 has not taken part in the J-M67 expansion south of the Caucasus and is a different clade from any of the southern ones (Jewish, Greek, Turkish, Phoenician).

the Carpathian Ukrainian branch is directly descended from Ukrainian/Belorussian/Lithuanian branches so it's not an arrival from the south, but from the north. also, none of these clades were found in the Balkans yet, so no Vlach/Balkan origin or dispersal for it, it seems. very Balto-Slavic. I mention it because of the common belief that Carpathian Ukrainians (Rusyns/Hutsuls) are of Balkan origin, just assimilated into East Slavs. but even their J2 is Balto-Slavic xD

[CommonSense]

So there are some J2a results from Vlach people from Eastern Serbia on 23andme?

Some are on 23andMe and some tested directly with the Serbian DNA project:

https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=1793.msg133251#msg133251

[Ion Basescul]

We don't have enough data for Moldova, but after 1000 samples from Romania, around 13% of the population falls under J2. About 80% of those are J2a, and 20% J2b. The wide majority of J2a falls under J-M67 and that in its turn falls downstream into J-L556 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L556/)

[Impaler]

We don't have enough data for Moldova, but after 1000 samples from Romania, around 13% of the population falls under J2. About 80% of those are J2a, and 20% J2b. The wide majority of J2a falls under J-M67 and that in its turn falls downstream into J-L556 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L556/)

Mine is J-M67, subclade J-L26.

[Ion Basescul]

Mine is J-M67, subclade J-L26.

As I said, most of J2a in Romania falls under M67, so that's not surprising. You might want to test downstream in the future. Theoretically, the odds are high for you to fall under L556 too. But if your Greek ancestry is on the paternal side, then it's probably another subclade.

[Impaler]

As I said, most of J2a in Romania falls under M67, so that's not surprising. You might want to test downstream in the future. Theoretically, the odds are high for you to fall under L556 too. But if your Greek ancestry is on the paternal side, then it's probably another subclade.

It's not paternal side, my mother has some Greek ancestry.

[Pine]

As I said, most of J2a in Romania falls under M67, so that's not surprising. You might want to test downstream in the future. Theoretically, the odds are high for you to fall under L556 too. But if your Greek ancestry is on the paternal side, then it's probably another subclade.

Close to 0. You think it's Eastern European because of the flags. It's not. It's Ashkenazi(with other Western Jews).

[Rocinante]

Negro-Med haplo

[Epirus DNA]

Negro-Med haplo

The Moors ruled Spain for 800 years. Maybe you should look at the man in the mirror.

hahaha enjoy your jamon con queso

[Bosniensis]

Graekoic-Syriaic-Anatolik haplogroup..

Farmers and Oilpickers

[Rocinante]

The Moors ruled Spain for 800 years. Maybe you should look at the man in the mirror.

hahaha enjoy your jamon con queso

You enjoy your kebabs, like a good turk J2

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Haplogrupo_J_%28Y-DNA%29.png

[Bosniensis]

Graekoic-Syriaic-Anatolik haplogroup..

Farmers and Oilpickers

[Kaspias]

J2 is also Central Asian Iranic/Turkic.

[Aileron]

You enjoy your kebabs, like a good turk J2

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Haplogrupo_J_%28Y-DNA%29.png

Why are you trolling dude?

[Epirus DNA]

You enjoy your kebabs, like a good turk J2

The Moors in Muslim Spain began rice cultivation around the 10th century. Paella is African ;)

Oh yeah, and Manchego is a cheap rip off of Kasseri.

[Epirus DNA]

Why are you trolling dude?

He's a White Supremacist loser. Thinks he is a R-L21 prince or something living in his parents house... hahahah

[Aileron]

He's a White Supremacist loser. Thinks he is a R-L21 prince or something living in his parents house... hahahah

I mean he is Iberian and they are constantly being trolled about having African admixture yet he trolls other people...

[Epirus DNA]

I mean he is Iberian and they are constantly being trolled about having African admixture yet he trolls other people...

I know. TA people are crazy... they backstab more than Roman Senators.

[Eline]

J2 is also Central Asian Iranic/Turkic.Iranic and Turkic are not the same thing.

J2a is a NorthWestern Asiatic Y-DNA haplogroup, Turkic is a NorthEastern Asiatic language. 2 very different things. J2a has absolutely nothing to do with the original Turks.

[Rocinante]

The Moors in Muslim Spain began rice cultivation around the 10th century. Paella is African ;)

Oh yeah, and Manchego is a cheap rip off of Kasseri.

Wtf is Kasseri, i don't speak turkish.


He's a White Supremacist loser. Thinks he is a R-L21 prince or something living in his parents house... hahahah

I'm not even racist, but okay. And no, i don't live in my parents house, that is what a lot of greco-turks J2 do xD.

100% R1b, jealous? :p

[Eline]

I'm not even racist, but okay. And no, i don't live in my parents house, that is what a lot of greco-turks J2 do xD.

100% R1b, jealous? :pJ2 is not Turkic and Hellenic people (together with the Italians) have the richest history in Europe. And it seems that both the Roman Empire and Hellenic history was closely related to J2

[Leto]

Negro-Med haplo
J for Jigaboo? xD

[Rocinante]

J2 is not Turkic and Hellenic people (together with the Italians) have the richest history in Europe. And it seems that both the Roman Empire and Hellenic history was closely related to J2

Gosh, is really that hard to detect a trollish moment? Of course that J2 isn't turkish but they have a lot, so what? I just wanted to troll some greeks :p

[Mejgusu]

Iranic and Turkic are not the same thing.

J2a is a NorthWestern Asiatic Y-DNA haplogroup, Turkic is a NorthEastern Asiatic language. 2 very different things. J2a has absolutely nothing to do with the original Turks.

No thats wrong. Although J2 isnt native in central eurasia, it is found in iranics and turkics there. J2 is maybe the most mysterious haplogroup.

[Rocinante]

J for Jigaboo? xD

J for Jazeera :laugh:

[Kaspias]

Iranic and Turkic are not the same thing.

J2a is a NorthWestern Asiatic Y-DNA haplogroup, Turkic is a NorthEastern Asiatic language. 2 very different things. J2a has absolutely nothing to do with the original Turks.

What is original Turk?

[Eline]

J2 have richer history than both R1a and R1b combined and I’m not even J2 since my father's DNA is actually R1

[Impaler]

J-L26 is from Caucasus?

[Mejgusu]

What is original Turk?

Good question. Even we dont know XD. I think genetically something like or between russianturkics and uzbeks.

[mitalit]

100% R1b, jealous? :p
all the R1B's are I1 wannabe :cool:

[Eline]

What is original Turk?The very first group of people who spoke early Turkic. NorthEastern Asiatic Steppe people, I think.

[Leto]

J2 have richer history than both R1a and R1b combined and I’m not even J2 since my father's DNA is actually R1
You are a Yazidi sock account, quit fooling around. Everyone knows that you were banned for trolling other ethnicities.

[Kaspias]

The very first group of people who spoke early Turkic. NorthEastern Asiatic Steppe people, I think.

First group of people who spoke early Turkic was around half West Eurasian and that West Eurasian part consisted of N, R, and J.

[SUPREEEEEME]

J-L26 is from Caucasus?

I Imagine a bit lower

[Eline]

First group of people who spoke early Turkic was around half West Eurasian and that West Eurasian part consisted of N, R, and J.Not really. Turkic is an Altaic language. Has nothing to do with the NorthWestern Asiatic J2. I don’t think J2 invented Turkic, that’s all.

Turkic was invented by the Mongoloid Q and N people.

[Pine]

Morley says I am J-L210 (J2a1b3*) but it's still too broad, I want to take the Y test soon, to know my precise subclade under L210. I suspect I must be the subclade found in two men of Ivano-Frankivsk oblast' and one of Ternopil oblast', since my paternal line is from the same ethnographic region. L210 is already overwhelmingly Eastern Euro (Ukraine, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Russia) and then also a few Germanic clades (Germany, UK). so L210 seems to be a clade that went north of Caucasus in Indo-European times and took part in the Balto-Slavic ethnogenesis - could even be so old in the region that a subclade of it went away with the tribe that later on split into Germanics, Celts and Italics. also, L210 has not taken part in the J-M67 expansion south of the Caucasus and is a different clade from any of the southern ones (Jewish, Greek, Turkish, Phoenician).

the Carpathian Ukrainian branch is directly descended from Ukrainian/Belorussian/Lithuanian branches so it's not an arrival from the south, but from the north. also, none of these clades were found in the Balkans yet, so no Vlach/Balkan origin or dispersal for it, it seems. very Balto-Slavic. I mention it because of the common belief that Carpathian Ukrainians (Rusyns/Hutsuls) are of Balkan origin, just assimilated into East Slavs. but even their J2 is Balto-Slavic xD

Your impression of L210 is utterly incorrect. Same error with L556 in this thread. You're confused by the Ashkenazi members in L210. L210 is in fact found south of the Caucasus. The German and UK flags you see on YFull are Jews. Most known L210 members are Jews. The country with the highest L210 % is probably Cyprus. L210 is all over the Middle East, the Gulf included. Simply given the numbers and where you're from, your L210 is more likely to be Jewish than anything else, though you could be Z482*. All the Eastern European flags under Y15223 are Jews.

[Leto]

J for Jazeera :laugh:
Well, I am personally not a big fan of Js and Es, even though there are full whites with those haplogroups.

[Eline]

First group of people who spoke early Turkic was around half West Eurasian and that West Eurasian part consisted of N, R, and J.Not really. Turkic is an Altaic language. Has nothing to do with the NorthWestern Asiatic J2. I don’t think J2 invented Turkic, that's all.

Turkic was invented by the Mongoloid Q and N people. Nothing to do with the NorthWestern Asiatic people. Turkic as a Mongoloid language has 0 connection to the Western Asiatic languages


J2 were the Sumerians, Roman Empire, Hellenic Empire, Aryans (Mitanni, Medes, Persians) etc.

[Rocinante]

all the R1B's are I1 wannabe :cool:

Not me. R1b is superior.

100% R1b, 100% Superior.

[Eline]

Where is J2 from?

Anatolia or Armenia or Caucasus or Kurdistan

[Mejgusu]

Where is J2 from?

Anatolia or Caucasus or Kurdistan

Lazy town

[Mejgusu]

Where is J2 from?

Anatolia or Caucasus or Kurdistan

Lazy town

[Eline]

Not me. R1b is superior.

100% R1b, 100% Superior.I think that J2 is more superior. It is the first civilization/Aryan marker. Maybe genetically engineered by the Anunnaki folks. But it has been said that R1b can also be from Northern Mesopotamia, so it might be possible that R1b is also genetically engineered by the Anunnaki in the ancient Sumerian homeland.

[Kaspias]

Not really. Turkic is an Altaic language. Has nothing to do with the NorthWestern Asiatic J2. I don’t think J2 invented Turkic, that’s all.

Turkic was invented by the Mongoloid Q and N people.

It was not J2 who invented Turkic but it was part of admixture breakdown Turkic had.

[Eline]

It was not J2 who invented Turkic but it was part of admixture breakdown Turkic had.Not really. Turkic as a language is not a sub-branch of NorthWestern Asiatic language. Turkic as Altaic language that belongs to an Altaic sub-branch of Mongoloid languages. Has nothing to do with the NortWestern Asian SUmero-Aryan Anunnaki J2 at all.


https://i.postimg.cc/K8pj1HKZ/a.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/nLszBG7q/b.png

[Leto]

I think that J2 is more superior. It is the first civilization/Aryan marker. Maybe genetically engineered by the Anunnaki folks. But it has been said that R1b can also be from Northern Mesopotamia, so it might be possible that R1b is also genetically engineered by the Anunnaki in the ancient Sumerian homeland.
The Aryans were R1a, dude. The high-T Sintashta whites :cool:

[Rocinante]

I think that J2 is more superior. It is the first civilization/Aryan marker. Maybe genetically engineered by the Anunnaki folks. But it has been said that R1b can also be from Northern Mesopotamia, so it might be possible that R1b is also genetically engineered by the Anunnaki in the ancient Sumerian homeland.

Cool history girl, but admit that you won't marry a brownie J2, like Negrepidus :lol:

[Eline]

There is absolutely no evidence that the Sumero-Aryan Anunnaki J2 has anything to do with the original Turks. Both groups evolved in 2 very different places and thousands and thousands of miles from each other.


The real reality is that original Turks were Chinese came to Anatolia committed genocide on many people, mixed with other people by rape to a degree that their original Chinese DNA diminished and the irony is that they became a product of their own rape. With other words, at the end of the day, they raped themselves.

The term, 'go fuck yourself' must come from the Turks

[Eline]

Cool history girl, but admit that you won't marry a brownie J2, like Negrepidus :lol:I married a brownie R1. :thumb001:

[Rocinante]

I married a brownie R1. :thumb001:

That's the right attitude!

[Kaspias]

There is absolutely no evidence that the Sumero-Aryan Anunnaki J2 has anything to do with the original Turks. Both groups evolved in 2 very different places and thousands and thousands of miles from each other.


The real reality is that original Turks were Chinese came to Anatolia committed genocide on many people, mixed with other people by rape to a degree that their original Chinese DNA diminished and the irony is that they became a product of their own rape. With other words, at the end of the day, they raped themselves.

The term, 'go fuck yourself' must come from the Turks

What the fuck are you talking about? No more answers.

[Kaspias]

Good question. Even we dont know XD. I think genetically something like or between russianturkics and uzbeks.

Bu muhabbeti yaptığım herkes Türkler Moğol'a bağlıyor daha sonra kendi İrani teorilerini öne çıkarıyor. İnan hiç kimsede şaşmıyor.

[Eline]

That's the right attitude!By the way, R1a in Pakistan and India is more brown to a degree that it is almost black than Aryan J2 in the NorthWest Asia.


There are even Black R1b people in Africa. Be proud!

[Epirus DNA]

Wtf is Kasseri, i don't speak turkish.

Kasseri is the Original Manchego. I wouldn't expect you to know varieties of cheeses. I lived in Alicante for a year. Spaniards are not the sharpest tools in the shed.


I'm not even racist, but okay. And no, i don't live in my parents house, that is what a lot of greco-turks J2 do xD. 100% R1b, jealous? :p

Jealous of R. Hahaha. My people were writing philosophy while your people were swinging from trees.

[Epirus DNA]

The Aryans were R1a, dude. The high-T Sintashta whites :cool:

R1's were swinging from trees when J2's were writing philosophy.

[Leto]

R1's were swinging from trees when J2's were writing philosophy.
And now you're living at the expense of Northern Europeans.

[Eline]

Jealous of R. Hahaha. My people were writing philosophy while your people were swinging from trees.True, that Greece that invented civilization in Europe and thousands of years before civilization arrived in Iberia. But R1b in Greece is also very old.

J2a and R1b existed next to each other. See the DNA of the Assyrians, Armenians etc.

[Epirus DNA]

And now you're living at the expense of Northern Europeans.

My house is one of the richest in Europe. Hahaha. Whatever you say, peasant.

[Mejgusu]

Bu muhabbeti yaptığım herkes Türkler Moğol'a bağlıyor daha sonra kendi İrani teorilerini öne çıkarıyor. İnan hiç kimsede şaşmıyor.

Ya kardeşim şunlara hiç cevap vermek istemiyom ama komiğime gidiyor bazen. Dünyada ne bok varsa hep bizim suçumuz oluyor yada kendi genetiğine bakmayıp bizim türklüğümüzü yok saymaya çalışıyorlar. Gerçekten tiyatro gibi...

[Eline]

R1's were swinging from trees when J2's were writing philosophy.No, Greeks called people in the Balto-Slavic lands actually primitive 'cannibals'

[Eline]

My house is one of the richest in Europe. Hahaha. Whatever you say, peasant.
Greece was the first superior Indo-European civilization inside Europe. Every European is in depth to the ancient Hellenic contribution

[Epirus DNA]

:focus:

OP: I am curious about Y-DNA haplogroup J2a from the highland regions of the Balkans? Anyone here know of any J2a results from highland areas of anywhere in the Balkan countries?

[Rocinante]

Kasseri is the Original Manchego. I wouldn't expect you to know varieties of cheeses. I lived in Alicante for a year. Spaniards are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

I thought you said you were rich, in your wooden house near Istanbul, but you lived in Alicante :p


Jealous of R. Hahaha. My people were writing philosophy while your people were swinging from trees.

You would dare to fuck a corpse just to be R1b, my brownie.

[Eline]

:focus:

OP: I am curious about Y-DNA haplogroup J2a from the highland regions of the Balkans? Anyone here know of any J2a results from highland areas of anywhere in the Balkan countries?Most likely from the ancient Anatolian Farmers.


Other possibilites of J2 in the Balkans is either from the Greeks, the Romans (from the Roman Empire) or the Iranic people from the Steppes

[Eline]

double post

[Epirus DNA]

I thought you said you were rich, in your wooden house near Istanbul, but you lived in Alicante :p

Yeah. I studied Spanish in Alicante and Seville. I speak 5 languages... Spanish inlcuded.


You would dare to fuck a corpse just to be R1b, my brownie.

R1b. I like Mules. I like to ride Mules. They are a lot of fun but there will never be a Mule in my family. Any R1b daughter would give me a J2a son.

[Eline]

...To whom are you more related? To the Greeks or R1b in Africa?

Nice R1b Hausa people:

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYHp4Z8g/hausa-people2-640x278.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/65T2KZ52/vllkyt67n8c5ffb9l.png


OMG, R1b warriors on horses. I knew it was all about the horses.

https://i.postimg.cc/ncwdVq46/a.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/YS7QtSs5/b.jpg

[Eline]

double post

[Mejgusu]

Where are the admins? Can someone stopp this clown?

[Rocinante]

Yeah. I studied Spanish in Alicante and Seville. I speak 5 languages... Spanish inlcuded.

R1b. I like Mules. I like to ride Mules. They are a lot of fun but there will never be a Mule in my family. Any R1b daughter would give me a J2a son.


To whom do you relate most? To J2 Greeks or to these R1b African Hausa guys:

https://i.postimg.cc/XvktQp5x/R1b-Hausa.jpg

Got bored, you don't give me fun. I was trying to give a good troll but you are too boring.

[Rocinante]

Where are the admins? Can someone stopp this clown?

Muslim turk living in Germany, a pain in the fucking ass for the germans i bet.


OMG, R1b warrior on a horse. I knew it is all about the horses.

https://i.postimg.cc/rmPTND63/images.jpg

Something tells me that you are not a belgie neither R1b related.

[Eline]

Something tells me that you are not a belgie neither R1b related.I am more related to R1a. :thumb001:

But there is a huge amount of R1b among my people, more than R1a.

[Rocinante]

I am more related to R1a. :thumb001:

But there is a huge amount of R1b among my people, more than R1a.

W/E.

I'm done in this thread.

[Eline]

double post

[zodzod]

Yeah. I studied Spanish in Alicante and Seville. I speak 5 languages... Spanish inlcuded.



R1b. I like Mules. I like to ride Mules. They are a lot of fun but there will never be a Mule in my family. Any R1b daughter would give me a J2a son.

J2 is the Master Haplogroup. All others are mud haplogroups

[Eline]

J2 is the Master Haplogroup. All others are mud haplogroupsJ2 is Sumero-Aryan for sure. It is possible that J2 was genetically 'engineered' by the Anunnaki in Northern Mesopotamia. Sumerians wrote a lot about those events.

https://i.postimg.cc/MZc7qgGm/anunnaki.jpg


you read Zecharia Sitchin theories?

https://i.postimg.cc/JzKDbQnh/Zecharia-Sitchin.jpg

[Eline]

Sumero-Aryans J2a and mos likely partly Anunnaki.


https://i.postimg.cc/Jhfknz03/images.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/m2k2vG2T/anunnaki-igigi.jpg

[Eline]

All Sumero-Aryan J2a Anunnaki people:

https://i.postimg.cc/ht4wySS0/genealogy-update.jpg

[Eline]

Sumero-Aryan J2a MASTER race:

https://i.postimg.cc/L8hDgh9G/Enoch-to-Nibiru-2.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/NfCVz35q/2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/vTQjJMrM/1.jpg

[Eline]

Creation of Sumero-Aryan J2a:

https://i.postimg.cc/m2Qf6b0c/are-humans-a-slave-race.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/ydvWRmTH/maxresdefault.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/KvK4Kgk6/maxresdefault-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/25Y5XccY/images-1.jpg


Reptilian/Anunnaki from the Sumero-Aryan UBAID period

https://i.postimg.cc/G90RTt6R/28b5e3595cb090b571876c81984a4f97.jpg

[Epirus DNA]

:focus:

OP: I am curious about Y-DNA haplogroup J2a from the highland regions of the Balkans? Anyone here know of any J2a results from highland areas of anywhere in the Balkan countries?

[Dr_Maul]

Yet another thread ruined by Eline. Pack it up fellas

[Eline]

Yet another thread ruined by Eline. Pack it up fellas
Honestly, did I start a troll fest bashing J2? It is always my fault, always.

I'm a just and righteous person and I can't stand lies!

[Leto]

Yet another thread ruined by Eline. Pack it up fellas
He is a sock puppet account of the Georgian-born Yazidi user MS85 who was banned for trolling and insults.

[Dr_Maul]

Honestly, did I start a troll fest bashing J2? It is always my fault, always.

I'm a just and righteous person and I can't stand lies!

You aren't a righteous person, all you care about is talking about how every haplogroup and all civilization was invented by your "proto-kurd" Sumerians, when NOBODY CARES. This is a thread about J2a in the Balkan Highlands, which as correctly pointed out by other users, HAS BEEN PART OF THE TURKIC GENOME FOR A LONG TIME. And don't bother responding to this message either because there's no point in arguing with you

[Eline]

You aren't a righteous person, all you care about is talking about how every haplogroup and all civilization was invented by your "proto-kurd" Sumerians, when NOBODY CARES. This is a thread about J2a in the Balkan Highlands, which as correctly pointed out by other users, HAS BEEN PART OF THE TURKIC GENOME FOR A LONG TIME. And don't bother responding to this message either because there's no point in arguing with youNo race and no nation can claim any haplogroup. But science is telling us that J2a is from somewhere around the Northern Mesopotamia. Turks and Turkish language are from the Altai. Altai has absolutely nothing to do with the Northern Mesopotamia. That is a fact!

Is it my fault or Kurdish fault that Kurds are the native people of the Northern Mesopotamia? What can I do that civilization has started there and that Kurds are 'accidentally' native to those lands.

How it ended up in the Balkans? I think it is from the Neolithic Anatolian Farmers.


Those who hate Kurds are just b*tth*rt, because they can't live with the fact that the original native land of the Kurds, Kurdistan, is connected to the ancient civilizations. I'm not saying that Kurds are from China or Scandinavia or Africa.

[Dr_Maul]

No race and no nation can claim any haplogroup. But science is telling us that J2a is from somewhere around the Northern Mesopotamia. Turks and Turkish language are from the Altai. Altai has absolutely nothing to do with the Northern Mesopotamia. That is a fact!

Is it my fault or Kurdish fault that Kurds are the native people of the Northern Mesopotamia? What can I do that civilization has started there and that Kurds are 'accidentally' native to those lands.

How it ended up in the Balkans? I think it is from the Neolithic Anatolian Farmers.


Those who hate Kurds are just b*tth*rt, because they can't live with the fact that the original native land of the Kurds, Kurdistan, is connected to the ancient civilizations. I'm not saying that Kurds are from China or Scandinavia or Africa.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/129OnZ9Qn2i0Ew/200.webp?cid=ecf05e4726948b4639f8865abd4b61a6892d1 383f6903155&rid=200.webp

[Eline]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/129OnZ9Qn2i0Ew/200.webp?cid=ecf05e4726948b4639f8865abd4b61a6892d1 383f6903155&rid=200.webpYeah, yeah, that's why you attack me for nothing and out of nothing.

[Dr_Maul]

Yeah, yeah, that's why you attack me for nothing and out of nothing.

I didn't even attack you, you just derailed this thread with your shit

[Eline]

I didn't even attack you, you just derailed this thread with your shitIt was actually a supposedly Spanish crazy troll who derailed the thread with his spam.

Furthermore I just pointed out that J2a has nothing to do with the Altaic Turks or Mongoloid people in general since J2a is a Northern Mesopotamian, Sumero-ARYAN, haplogroup.

[Rocinante]

No race and no nation can claim any haplogroup. But science is telling us that J2a is from somewhere around the Northern Mesopotamia. Turks and Turkish language are from the Altai. Altai has absolutely nothing to do with the Northern Mesopotamia. That is a fact!

Is it my fault or Kurdish fault that Kurds are the native people of the Northern Mesopotamia? What can I do that civilization has started there and that Kurds are 'accidentally' native to those lands.

How it ended up in the Balkans? I think it is from the Neolithic Anatolian Farmers.


Those who hate Kurds are just b*tth*rt, because they can't live with the fact that the original native land of the Kurds, Kurdistan, is connected to the ancient civilizations. I'm not saying that Kurds are from China or Scandinavia or Africa.

LOL of course there is nations that can claim haplogroups, don´t be so fool.

And yes, J2 is EEF.