West Asia Minor Greek Gedmatch

[Konstantinos]

May this be a place where we collect West Asia Minor Greek Gedmatch results. There is a notable absence of them. I've probably seen more results from a tiny island like Kastellorizo than a sizeable portion of the Greek population.

I'm not talking about Cappadocian Greeks or Pontic Greeks. These populations are probably different in composition than West Asia Minor Greeks.

[Rabbit Hole]

May this be a place where we collect West Asia Minor Greek Gedmatch results. There is a notable absence of them. I've probably seen more results from a tiny island like Kastellorizo than a sizeable portion of the Greek population.

I'm not talking about Cappadocian Greeks or Pontic Greeks. These populations are probably different in composition than West Asia Minor Greeks.

Are they? I had a partly Greek partly Anatolian match on my k36 on Ged but for some reason I was matched to the Levant/Cyprus maternally. Here is the strange thing how do they determine even what is Pontian Greek and what is Anatolian? I was always under the impression that Pontian Greeks had a bit high West Asian ( Caucasus )

[Rabbit Hole]

I am unsure about what it means by West Anatolia in the racial sense?

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[Konstantinos]

I am unsure about what it means by West Anatolia in the racial sense?

Greeks surely know what I mean but I have to clarify for those who are not familiar. Today's Anatolia is inhabited by Turks. Greeks used to live there up to a century ago when they got exchanged with Turks from Greece in order to ethincally homogenize the countries. The hotspots of their concentration according to population numbers were the Aegean coast of Anatolia, the North-NorthEastern part and Cappadocia in the Eastern part.

All three of them are probably somewhat different between them. Pontic Greeks are like a mix of Mycenaean Greek + Laz + Armenian. Cappadocian Greek are like Greek Cypriots with a bit more Caucasus.

West Anatolia Greeks are not well known. Many have hypothesized that they are like Greek islanders but on G25 they are between them and Greek mainlanders. And I'm talking about some samples presumably from Smyrna. Greeks were concentrated all along the Aegean coast of Anatolia.

[Rabbit Hole]

Greeks surely know what I mean but I have to clarify for those who are not familiar. Today's Anatolia is inhabited by Turks. Greeks used to live there up to a century ago when they got exchanged with Turks from Greece in order to ethincally homogenize the countries. The hotspots of their concentration according to population numbers were the Aegean coast of Anatolia, the North-NorthEastern part and Cappadocia in the Eastern part.

All three of them are probably somewhat different between them. Pontic Greeks are like a mix of Mycenaean Greek + Laz + Armenian. Cappadocian Greek are like Greek Cypriots with a bit more Caucasus.

West Anatolia Greeks are not well known. Many have hypothesized that they are like Greek islanders but on G25 they are between them and Greek mainlanders. And I'm talking about some samples presumably from Smyrna. Greeks were concentrated all along the Aegean coast of Anatolia.
What's a Cappadocian Greek historically then how do they differ from Pontian Greeks? I knew a guy from Smyna he was R1b but his nose was quite wide he was almost 17 percent West Asian though he also had large black eyes. He didn't get as much West Asians as say Armenians tend to get on average but his looks seemed more Armenian than Greek...Do you know why that is? He had really pale skin though

[Konstantinos]

Cappadocia is inland. Anatolia is very mountainous so historically regions were more isolated from one another. Also Cappadocian Greeks were Turkified linguistically but stayed Christian. Testament to their Greek origins is the fact that they wrote Turkish using the Greek alphabet, unique peculiarity among them.

There is no noticeable phenotypic difference between Smyrna/West Anatolia Greeks and mainlanders or islanders. Of course I'm talking on the whole, individually maybe West Anatolians have more Armenoid tendencies, but generally you can't be sure of one's origins if you don't ask them. Exceptions to these are Pontic Greeks and less so Cappadocians(e.g. Mitroglou), they have different features usually.

If you have full or even partial West Anatolian Greek results post them here.

[Rabbit Hole]

Cappadocia is inland. Anatolia is very mountainous so historically regions were more isolated from one another. Also Cappadocian Greeks were Turkified linguistically but stayed Christian. Testament to their Greek origins is the fact that they wrote Turkish using the Greek alphabet, unique peculiarity among them.

There is no noticeable phenotypic difference between Smyrna/West Anatolia Greeks and mainlanders or islanders. Of course I'm talking on the whole, individually maybe West Anatolians have more Armenoid tendencies, but generally you can't be sure of one's origins if you don't ask them. Exceptions to these are Pontic Greeks and less so Cappadocians(e.g. Mitroglou), they have different features usually.

If you have full or even partial West Anatolian Greek results post them here.
I can get my results and post them but as I say I was matched up to the Cyprus and North Levant although it says ''Mycenaean and Anatolian'' so I want to know why I had that result, try and explain that, I guess the original Greeks like say Greek Cypriots or something similar is just ancient Greek?

[brennus dux gallorum]

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f0229221fdda1d38c75987f39811c840

[Konstantinos]

I can get my results and post them but as I say I was matched up to the Cyprus and North Levant although it says ''Mycenaean and Anatolian'' so I want to know why I had that result, try and explain that, I guess the original Greeks like say Greek Cypriots or something similar is just ancient Greek?

I don't understand. Are you Greek or part Greek? Who are your matches?

[brennus dux gallorum]

I'm not talking about Cappadocian Greeks or Pontic Greeks. These populations are probably different in composition than West Asia Minor Greeks.
yes they are completely different
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85a5097f13d7ee1f1f6624880b27bece

[Fedora]

They are identical to people from the Islands like Karpathos, Kastellorizo . Infact Kastellorizo is just right next to to Turkey lol

[Rabbit Hole]

Everytime I get one of those tests and I think I have the answer to my heritage i get a new surprise. :(

Haplogroup result
https://scontent.flhr6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11247602_1472071186446050_152503292807639095_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=6VTr1zdW5dIAX9AuVQp&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr6-1.fna&oh=1d0e5ed61c4c3088c4105a5d6bd8779d&oe=5EBBDA27

https://scontent.flhr6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11802647_1472071193112716_1770036946032259903_o.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=0MbNsrQdulQAX_Ef15c&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr6-1.fna&oh=ec4e08f6f31ded1752f26ad8241d928f&oe=5EBAF863

That was my mother's result I can't show you mine because I am mixed with British Welsh



Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 9.40 Pct
Armenian 4.87 Pct
Basque 3.66 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 23.58 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 1.87 Pct
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.23 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 25.10 Pct
North_African 2.94 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 8.49 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African 2.82 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.40 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.63 Pct
West_Med -




If you run it through the map it said high amounts of Mycenaean and Anatolian

[Rabbit Hole]

I don't understand. Are you Greek or part Greek? Who are your matches?

I matched up to the Greek Cyprus and the levant Maternally the results are below doesn't that amount to be more similar to the ancient Greeks than modern. I can only print out my mother's I can't print out mine because I am part British/Welsh.

She didn't do a mytrueancestry though I did so I can place here the results from that

[Konstantinos]

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f0229221fdda1d38c75987f39811c840

This is G25 if I'm not mistaken. Do we have their Gedmatch results?

[Konstantinos]

They are identical to people from the Islands like Karpathos, Kastellorizo . Infact Kastellorizo is just right next to to Turkey lol

How do you know? Do you have results from there or Asia Minor? Please share if you do.

[Fedora]

How do you know? Do you have results from there or Asia Minor? Please share if you do.

I remember seeing one from Antalya and Eskisehir. They were identical to Islanders. Atlantic Med around 23%, North European around 5-10%, Southwest asian around 15%-18%~ as far as I know

[Konstantinos]

Everytime I get one of those tests and I think I have the answer to my heritage i get a new surprise. :(

Haplogroup result
https://scontent.flhr6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11247602_1472071186446050_152503292807639095_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=6VTr1zdW5dIAX9AuVQp&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr6-1.fna&oh=1d0e5ed61c4c3088c4105a5d6bd8779d&oe=5EBBDA27

https://scontent.flhr6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11802647_1472071193112716_1770036946032259903_o.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=0MbNsrQdulQAX_Ef15c&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr6-1.fna&oh=ec4e08f6f31ded1752f26ad8241d928f&oe=5EBAF863

That was my mother's result I can't show you mine because I am mixed with British Welsh



Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 9.40 Pct
Armenian 4.87 Pct
Basque 3.66 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 23.58 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 1.87 Pct
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.23 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 25.10 Pct
North_African 2.94 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 8.49 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African 2.82 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.40 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.63 Pct
West_Med -




If you run it through the map it said high amounts of Mycenaean and Anatolian

Your mum is Middle Eastern, right? I would guess Palestinian.

[Rabbit Hole]

Your mum is Middle Eastern, right? I would guess Palestinian.

She matches up to the Levant /Cyprus that's not Middle Eastern or Palestinian it's the North Levant and Cyprus. If you run her admixture map you can see her admixture is Anatolian ( Hittite ) and also Mycenaean that's her kitnumber H400232 I have a North West European Levantine/Cypriot shift

[Konstantinos]

I remember seeing one from Antalya and Eskisehir. They were identical to Islanders. Atlantic Med around 23%, North European around 5-10%, Southwest asian around 15%-18%~ as far as I know

Firstly you are talking about Greeks right? On G25 the Smyrna Greeks seem intermediate between Cretans and mainlanders.

[Konstantinos]

She matches up to the Levant /Cyprus that's not Middle Eastern or Palestinian it's the North Levant and Cyprus. If you run her admixture map you can see her admixture is Anatolian ( Hittite ) and also Mycenaean that's her kitnumber H400232 I have a North West European Levantine/Cypriot shift

I used the k36 results you provided and her highest scores were for South Levant, then North Iraq, Cyprus, Egypt. I can't use her kit since I don't have Gedmatch myself. What's your mum's ethnicity?

[Rabbit Hole]

I used the k36 results you provided and her highest scores were for South Levant, then North Iraq, Cyprus, Egypt. I can't use her kit since I don't have Gedmatch myself. What's your mum's ethnicity?

North Levant and if you get the Cal with the map you will see she has a partly Greek ( Mycenaean ) and partly Anatolian she also has Roman and Balkan Slavic. Her results are not Palestinian, Palestinians would have more Near Eastern and more North East African almost double the amount of North East African

[Rabbit Hole]

South Levant, then North Iraq, Cyprus, Egypt

Yes it's called the fertile cresent aka ''the cradle of civilization'' her results are closer to Cypriots than Palestinians anyway not sure what your point was there.

[Konstantinos]

North Levant and if you get the Cal with the map you will see she has a partly Greek ( Mycenaean ) and partly Anatolian she also has Roman and Balkan Slavic. Her results are not Palestinian, Palestinians would have more Near Eastern and more North East African almost double the amount of North East African

So your mum is from the North Levant? That makes sense.

[Rabbit Hole]

So your mum is from the North Levant? That makes sense.

The admixture is the same as Bronze age North Levantines and also close to Greek Cypriots ( who have a similar Mycenaean- Hittite mix ) This is what I am trying to tell you, the ancient Greeks had a admixture close to this and Cypriots. If you look at my haplogroup result ( I am sure you have not yet so please look ) it was haplogroup H* H* was seen in mycenaean and also I did print out the other day that the phoenicians or Proto Phoenicians were Hittite this is Ancient Greek or ancient admixture it's not mean't to be the same as mainland Greeks neither did I claim as such. This is why I try to say I have a Anatolian admixture to describe the Near Eastern or ''Levantine input''

[Konstantinos]

The admixture is the same as Bronze age North Levantines and also close to Greek Cypriots ( who have a similar Mycenaean- Hittite mix ) This is what I am trying to tell you, the ancient Greeks had a admixture close to this and Cypriots. If you look at my haplogroup result ( I am sure you have not yet so please look ) it was haplogroup H* H* was seen in mycenaean and also I did print out the other day that the phoenicians or Proto Phoenicians were Hittite this is Ancient Greek or ancient admixture it's not mean't to be the same as mainland Greeks neither did I claim as such. This is why I try to say I have a Anatolian admixture to describe the Near Eastern or ''Levantine input''

Your mum is indeed close to Greek Cypriots but since she is closer to Levantines, who are similar to ancient ones, I took a wild guess at her ethnicity. Your mtDNA doesn't tell me much because I have a basic knowledge of female haplogroups, if you know more about an ancient connection with Greece please share with us.

I'm not sure what you mean about Phoenician-Hittite, maybe you mean Neo-Hittite(I don't nitpick here, there's a difference)? You can search for matches with other Anatolians, maybe there is something there.

[Pater Patota]

Firstly you are talking about Greeks right? On G25 the Smyrna Greeks seem intermediate between Cretans and mainlanders.

Smyrna Greeks are mostly from Crete.

[AncientGreek]

I'd like West Anatolian GEDMatches too, but here's some matches from 23andme with grandparents from relevant locations:

4x Constantinople/Istanbul Greek:
https://imgur.com/v44ZIGv.png

4x Smyrna/Izmir Greek:
https://imgur.com/z8PV1jV.png

4x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek:
https://imgur.com/kIwYYmM.png

2x Constantinople/Istanbul Greek 2x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek
https://imgur.com/0yOHlXi.png

2x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek 2x Kos Greek:
https://imgur.com/yKCSvEw.png

2x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek 2x Rhodes Greek:
https://imgur.com/k3sNeob.png

There's probably more matches but not many matches fill out their profile...

[Konstantinos]

Smyrna Greeks are mostly from Crete.

How so? Also I'm interested in the whole West Asia Minor area which is absent in genetics.

[Rabbit Hole]

Your mum is indeed close to Greek Cypriots but since she is closer to Levantines, who are similar to ancient ones, I took a wild guess at her ethnicity. Your mtDNA doesn't tell me much because I have a basic knowledge of female haplogroups, if you know more about an ancient connection with Greece please share with us.

I'm not sure what you mean about Phoenician-Hittite, maybe you mean Neo-Hittite(I don't nitpick here, there's a difference)? You can search for matches with other Anatolians, maybe there is something there.

Then don't guess my ethnicity Cypriots have 2 percent less West Asian on average and 1 percent less Red Sea in their admixtures. The North Levantine population had a similar admixture to Bronze Age Neolithic farmers Greek Cypriots have a Mycenaean Anatolian ( Hittite mix ) the reason why North Levantines would be close to Cypriots is because during the Bronze Age they would of had a similar Mycenaean-Hittite mix, the Phoenicians or Proto first Phoenicians were Hittite from the North Levant racially North Levantine people are something called ''Hittite'' please look at the connection between Phoenicians and Hittite.

[Rabbit Hole]

My haplogroup is H* if you don't understand what it means to be H* then we might as well stop the conversation here.

[Konstantinos]

I'd like West Anatolian GEDMatches too, but here's some matches from 23andme with grandparents from relevant locations:

4x Constantinople/Istanbul Greek:
https://imgur.com/v44ZIGv.png

4x Smyrna/Izmir Greek:
https://imgur.com/z8PV1jV.png

4x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek:
https://imgur.com/kIwYYmM.png

2x Constantinople/Istanbul Greek 2x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek
https://imgur.com/0yOHlXi.png

2x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek 2x Kos Greek:
https://imgur.com/yKCSvEw.png

2x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek 2x Rhodes Greek:
https://imgur.com/k3sNeob.png

There's probably more matches but not many matches fill out their profile...

Excellent work!! Not only Smyrna and Constantinople but also Halicarnassus! Let's hope there's also Prusa, etc.

Not Gedmatch, but if I observe something it's that the pure Asia Minors are more "European" and less "Middle Eastern" than those mixed with islands. Geography inverted here.

You can also post your results here since you are also part Asia Minor.

[Konstantinos]

Then don't guess my ethnicity Cypriots have 2 percent less West Asian on average and 1 percent less Red Sea in their admixtures. The North Levantine population had a similar admixture to Bronze Age Neolithic farmers Greek Cypriots have a Mycenaean Anatolian ( Hittite mix ) the reason why North Levantines would be close to Cypriots is because during the Bronze Age they would of had a similar Mycenaean-Hittite mix, the Phoenicians or Proto first Phoenicians were Hittite from the North Levant racially North Levantine people are something called ''Hittite'' please look at the connection between Phoenicians and Hittite.

What's your ethnicity then apart from the NW European part? Also what do you mean "The North Levantine population had a similar admixture to Bronze Age Neolithic farmers"?

[Rabbit Hole]

What's your ethnicity then apart from the NW European part? Also what do you mean "The North Levantine population had a similar admixture to Bronze Age Neolithic farmers"?

https://phoenicia.org/hittitephoenicians.html

This is what I mean, Bronze age North Levantine people like or similar to Cypriots have a Mycenaean Hittite mix this is why we are close together as was the makeup of the ancient Greeks and the ancient Greeks were not from Cyprus even they immigrated from the Fertile Cresent to Cyprus then mainland Greeks. West Asians descend from ''classical Greeks'' have i answered? Even someone from England knew that and said it to me in the thread. It's not exactly a secret?

[Mejgusu]

Cappadocia is inland. Anatolia is very mountainous so historically regions were more isolated from one another. Also Cappadocian Greeks were Turkified linguistically but stayed Christian. Testament to their Greek origins is the fact that they wrote Turkish using the Greek alphabet, unique peculiarity among them.
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That doesnt sounds logical. If someone get turkified, this person also became muslim. If you mean the Karamanlis, who where Christian Turks which used the Greek alphabet, then thats very controversial. Some says they were turkified Greeks, other says they were Turks who adopted the Greek alphabet.

[Konstantinos]

My haplogroup is H* if you don't understand what it means to be H* then we might as well stop the conversation here.

Your haplogroup is certainly not simply H*. H* means you only have the formative mutations of this haplogroup and nothing downstream. If you test deeper they will provide you with specific mutations and then you will know exact subclades.

[Rabbit Hole]

Your haplogroup is certainly not simply H*. H* means you only have the formative mutations of this haplogroup and nothing downstream. If you test deeper they will provide you with specific mutations and then you will know exact subclades.

My haplogroup was H* and if you read that you would be able to see the subclades after that. The mainclades are h1 h2 h3 h4 h5. H1 are Iberian Western Meds H* means that is your main ancestor

[Tauromachos]

My haplogroup was H* and if you read that you would be able to see the subclades after that. The mainclades are h1 h2 h3 h4 h5. H1 are Iberian Western Meds H* means that is your main ancestor

H is a Gypsy haplogroup too

[Fedora]

That doesnt sounds logical. If someone get turkified, this person also became muslim. If you mean the Karamanlis, who where Christian Turks which used the Greek alphabet, then thats very controversial. Some says they were turkified Greeks, other says they were Turks who adopted the Greek alphabet.

He's wrong, Cappadocian Greeks were still speaking Greek, it's the Karamanli Rums who were turcophone,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4TGJYOnuK4&t=692s

[Rabbit Hole]

https://scontent.flhr6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11247602_1472071186446050_152503292807639095_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=6VTr1zdW5dIAX9AuVQp&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr6-1.fna&oh=1d0e5ed61c4c3088c4105a5d6bd8779d&oe=5EBBDA27

H R0 HV was my results

H

[Rabbit Hole]

H is a Gypsy haplogroup too

That's from male line this is my female side of the ancestry the subclades are included but they still lead up to H

[Mejgusu]

I know this woman. Her Turkish is very cool and reminds me to Central Anatolian Turkish.

[AncientGreek]

Excellent work!! Not only Smyrna and Constantinople but also Halicarnassus! Let's hope there's also Prusa, etc.

Not Gedmatch, but if I observe something it's that the pure Asia Minors are more "European" and less "Middle Eastern" than those mixed with islands. Geography inverted here.

You can also post your results here since you are also part Asia Minor.

My Asia Minor ancestry is not as recent, they came from Asia Minor to the Dodecanese a few generations back. But I'll still post it:

Speculative:
https://i.imgur.com/qd4Knuo.png

Conservative:
https://i.imgur.com/2XSB7dY.png

I'm guessing that most West Asia Minor Greeks that were in areas with big economies like Smyrna were more Balkan shifted than Dodecanese islanders, probably due to recieving more migration from the mainland than the islands did.

[Konstantinos]

https://phoenicia.org/hittitephoenicians.html

This is what I mean, Bronze age North Levantine people like or similar to Cypriots have a Mycenaean Hittite mix this is why we are close together as was the makeup of the ancient Greeks and the ancient Greeks were not from Cyprus even they immigrated from the Fertile Cresent to Cyprus then mainland Greeks. West Asians descend from ''classical Greeks'' have i answered? Even someone from England knew that and said it to me in the thread. It's not exactly a secret?

If I follow what you say then I disagree. Maybe Proto-Greeks came from Armenia via Anatolia, that's the closest I can see them to the Fertile Crescent. Also "West Asians" don't descend from Classical Greeks, Turks sure in part but that's it. Stereotypical West Asians in my mind are Georgians and they are there since before Mycenaeans.

[Konstantinos]

That doesnt sounds logical. If someone get turkified, this person also became muslim. If you mean the Karamanlis, who where Christian Turks which used the Greek alphabet, then thats very controversial. Some says they were turkified Greeks, other says they were Turks who adopted the Greek alphabet.

I mean the Karamanlides, my bad I always confound the two. They were previously Greek-speaking hence the Greek alphabet.

[Rabbit Hole]

If I follow what you say then I disagree. Maybe Proto-Greeks came from Armenia via Anatolia, that's the closest I can see them to the Fertile Crescent. Also "West Asians" don't descend from Classical Greeks, Turks sure in part but that's it. Stereotypical West Asians in my mind are Georgians and they are there since before Mycenaeans.

The ancient Greeks had a Mycenaean Hittite mix, it doesn't matter about geographics but yes, they were from the Fertile Cresent and also Cyprus they went to mainland Greece at a much later time, and mainland Greeks have much less ancient Greek imput than what people of the Bronze Age Levant and what Cypriots do. You can disagree but it's the truth.

[Rgvgjhvv]

They are identical to people from the Islands like Karpathos, Kastellorizo . Infact Kastellorizo is just right next to to Turkey lol

So is the island I'm from. What's that supposed to mean?

[Rabbit Hole]

My Asia Minor ancestry is not as recent, they came from Asia Minor to the Dodecanese a few generations back. But I'll still post it:

Speculative:
https://i.imgur.com/qd4Knuo.png

Conservative:
https://i.imgur.com/2XSB7dY.png

I'm guessing that most West Asia Minor Greeks that were in areas with big economies like Smyrna were more Balkan shifted than Dodecanese islanders, probably due to recieving more migration from the mainland than the islands did.
Why were their two adixture results did you try Ged? Are you mainland or something else?

[Konstantinos]

My Asia Minor ancestry is not as recent, they came from Asia Minor to the Dodecanese a few generations back. But I'll still post it:

Speculative:
https://i.imgur.com/qd4Knuo.png

Conservative:
https://i.imgur.com/2XSB7dY.png

I'm guessing that most West Asia Minor Greeks that were in areas with big economies like Smyrna were more Balkan shifted than Dodecanese islanders, probably due to recieving more migration from the mainland than the islands did.

Let's see when we have samples from inland areas to compare. It's very odd for now.

[Rgvgjhvv]

South Levant, then North Iraq, Cyprus, Egypt

Yes it's called the fertile cresent aka ''the cradle of civilization'' her results are closer to Cypriots than Palestinians anyway not sure what your point was there.

Where the hell is your mom from? What is her ethnicity? What country? You're beating around the bush.

[Mejgusu]

I mean the Karamanlides, my bad I always confound the two. They were previously Greek-speaking hence the Greek alphabet.

Whats the difference between karamanlis and karamanlides, the second is just the english term. In my knowledge there were indeed ethnic greeks, but i think they were described just Cappadocian Greeks, isnt it?

[Konstantinos]

The ancient Greeks had a Mycenaean Hittite mix, it doesn't matter about geographics but yes, they were from the Fertile Cresent and also Cyprus they went to mainland Greece at a much later time, and mainland Greeks have much less ancient Greek imput than what people of the Bronze Age Levant and what Cypriots do. You can disagree but it's the truth.

How can Bronze Age Levantines have more ancestry from ancient Greeks if they are further back in time? I'm losing my already thinning hair.

[Konstantinos]

Whats the difference between karamanlis and karamanlides, the second is just the english term. In my knowledge there were indeed ethnic greeks, but i think they were described just Cappadocian Greeks, isnt it?

Karamanlis is the singular in Greek(we had PM Karamanlis for example), Karamanlides is the plural. I think them + Cappadocians numbered from 50.000-200.000, maybe 100.000 I think before the population exchange.

[Rabbit Hole]

How can Bronze Age Levantines have more ancestry from ancient Greeks if they are further back in time? I'm losing my already thinning hair.

They were not further back in time. The ancient Greeks were around during the Bronze Age, Neolithic farmers were around during the Bronze Age, people North of the Levant were Hittites or descended from them, the ancient Greeks had a Mycenaean Hittite mix, people in the North of the Levant during the Bronze Age have a Anatolian ( Hittite ) and Mycenaean ( ancient Greek mix ) Greek Cypriots have a similar Mycenaean Hittite mix. People North of the Levant and Cypriots have more genetic common similarities with the ancient Greeks than what mainland Greeks do.

[Rabbit Hole]

How can Bronze Age Levantines have more ancestry from ancient Greeks if they are further back in time? I'm losing my already thinning hair.

Because the ancient Greeks were more Near Eastern than the modern ones. That's how. There, how difficult was that?

[Hapanuwa]

Greek from Amasya/Amaseia (Black Sea Region) before population exchange:

https://i.postimg.cc/KcKX4DbQ/FB-IMG-1586790176868.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/vZ2L1fbL/FB-IMG-1586790179533.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/NFywc1sJ/FB-IMG-1586790181620.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/9QHzLf15/FB-IMG-1586790183713.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Mejgusu]

Karamanlis is the singular in Greek(we had PM Karamanlis for example), Karamanlides is the plural. I think them + Cappadocians numbered from 50.000-200.000, maybe 100.000 I think before the population exchange.

Oh ok thanks. It was a big mistake to sent them to Greece.

[Hapanuwa]

Greek 3/4 from Konya/Iconium (Central Anatolia Region) and 1/4 from Eskişehir/Dorylaeum (Central Anatolia Regio) before population exchange.

https://i.postimg.cc/yNFWZ3Zr/FB-IMG-1586790654045.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Konstantinos]

They were not further back in time. The ancient Greeks were around during the Bronze Age, Neolithic farmers were around during the Bronze Age, people North of the Levant were Hittites or descended from them, the ancient Greeks had a Mycenaean Hittite mix, people in the North of the Levant during the Bronze Age have a Anatolian ( Hittite ) and Mycenaean ( ancient Greek mix ) Greek Cypriots have a similar Mycenaean Hittite mix. People North of the Levant and Cypriots have more genetic common similarities with the ancient Greeks than what mainland Greeks do.

Neolithic farmers were around during the Bronze Age This is the second time you write something like this, I think you have mixed up the things. So you are saying people North of the Levant whoever they may be have more Mycenaean ancestry than mainland Greeks yes or no?

[Fedora]

An Eastern Anatolian Greek from Erzurum/Pasin
https://i.ibb.co/zQLDCm2/91866725-105432907785461-4574885634828664832-n.jpg
3/4 Nigde (Cappadocian Greek) 1/4 Istanbul Greek
https://i.ibb.co/4MtZRRt/92133116-105419681120117-3784216055811932160-n.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

Neolithic farmers were around during the Bronze Age This is the second time you write something like this, I think you have mixed up the things. So you are saying people North of the Levant whoever they may be have more Mycenaean ancestry than mainland Greeks yes or no?

He is a mentalist. Rather a sock or a troll. Makes shit up for fun and posts on here because he's bored as hell.

[Konstantinos]

Greek from Amasya/Amaseia (Black Sea Region) before population exchange:

https://i.postimg.cc/KcKX4DbQ/FB-IMG-1586790176868.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/vZ2L1fbL/FB-IMG-1586790179533.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/NFywc1sJ/FB-IMG-1586790181620.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/9QHzLf15/FB-IMG-1586790183713.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasya

North Black Sea coast, thanks.

[Rabbit Hole]

Neolithic farmers were around during the Bronze Age This is the second time you write something like this, I think you have mixed up the things. So you are saying people North of the Levant whoever they may be have more Mycenaean ancestry than mainland Greeks yes or no?

Bronze age North of the levant inhabitants and Greek Cypriot people have a Mycenaean Hittite mix ( which was the general make up of the ''classical,'' or ''ancient Greeks'' ) who were more near eastern mainland Greeks who have a Mycenaean Roman mix. The Anatolian in your genetics left or got watered down and got mixed in with North West Europeans that's why mainland Greeks have more of a Western European shift than ancient Greeks or those who have the same or similar dna to the ancient Greeks
The Mycenaean part however is the same.

[Konstantinos]

Greek from Amasya/Amaseia (Black Sea Region) before population exchange:

https://i.postimg.cc/KcKX4DbQ/FB-IMG-1586790176868.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/vZ2L1fbL/FB-IMG-1586790179533.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/NFywc1sJ/FB-IMG-1586790181620.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/9QHzLf15/FB-IMG-1586790183713.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasya

North Black Sea coast, thanks.

[Konstantinos]

Oh ok thanks. It was a big mistake to sent them to Greece.

How so?

[Mejgusu]

How so?

I mean the Karamanlis. They were in my opinion Turks, just Christian.

[Konstantinos]

Greek 3/4 from Konya/Iconium (Central Anatolia Region) and 1/4 from Eskişehir/Dorylaeum (Central Anatolia Regio) before population exchange.

https://i.postimg.cc/yNFWZ3Zr/FB-IMG-1586790654045.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Thanks for these results. Do you happen to have results from the West coast?

[Rgvgjhvv]

I mean the Karamanlis. They were in my opinion Turks, just Christian.

They were absolutely not ethnic Turks

[Hapanuwa]

Greek from Erzincan/Keltzene (Eastern Anatolia Region) before population exchange.

https://i.postimg.cc/fTC4qc4h/FB-IMG-1586791456352.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/sXHQJQVP/FB-IMG-1586791459259.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/cCZxwd37/FB-IMG-1586791461718.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/cLKSKvjy/FB-IMG-1586791464846.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Konstantinos]

An Eastern Anatolian Greek from Erzurum/Pasin
https://i.ibb.co/zQLDCm2/91866725-105432907785461-4574885634828664832-n.jpg
3/4 Nigde (Cappadocian Greek) 1/4 Istanbul Greek
https://i.ibb.co/4MtZRRt/92133116-105419681120117-3784216055811932160-n.jpg

Can you also post k13 and k15?

[Hapanuwa]

Thanks for these results. Do you happen to have results from the West coast?

I'm not sure but I will take a look

[Konstantinos]

An Eastern Anatolian Greek from Erzurum/Pasin
https://i.ibb.co/zQLDCm2/91866725-105432907785461-4574885634828664832-n.jpg
3/4 Nigde (Cappadocian Greek) 1/4 Istanbul Greek
https://i.ibb.co/4MtZRRt/92133116-105419681120117-3784216055811932160-n.jpg

Can you also post k13 and k15?

[Mejgusu]

They were absolutely not ethnic Turks

Yes its controversial, but they spoke a turkish like central anatolian turks. They also prayed in turkish. And according Ilber Ortayli, one of a few reputable historians, they were ethnic turks.

[Fedora]

Greek from Erzincan/Keltzene (Eastern Anatolia Region) before population exchange.

https://i.postimg.cc/fTC4qc4h/FB-IMG-1586791456352.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/sXHQJQVP/FB-IMG-1586791459259.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/cCZxwd37/FB-IMG-1586791461718.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/cLKSKvjy/FB-IMG-1586791464846.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
In comparison Turks from Erzincan

https://i.ibb.co/2824tXc/89795456-2597086917177490-2750290979532570624-n-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/k34Gvh2/52364606-2403140033069636-6160914871379558400-o.jpg

[Konstantinos]

I mean the Karamanlis. They were in my opinion Turks, just Christian.

No they weren't.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Yes its controversial, but they spoke a turkish like central anatolian turks. They also prayed in turkish. And according Ilber Ortayli, one of a few reputable historians, they were ethnic turks.

Ethnic Turks have Siberian admixture. They 100% did not.

[Tauromachos]

I mean the Karamanlis. They were in my opinion Turks, just Christian.

Karamanlides were not Turks but descended from local Cappadocian Greek people

Their genetics is probably similar to Pontian Greeks...

[Konstantinos]

Ethnic Turks have Siberian admixture. They 100% did not.

Trabzon Turks don't even have that. They are pure Pontic Greeks.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Trabzon Turks don't even have that. They are pure Pontic Greeks.

Yup. No doubt about it. I am sure they know as well, even if they deny on the surface.

[Fedora]

Yup. No doubt about it. I am sure they know as well, even if they deny on the surface.

Well, Laz people score just like Pontic Greeks, are they Greeks in denial too? Maybe they're Lazs in denial?

[mergen3]

In comparison Turks from Erzincan

https://i.ibb.co/2824tXc/89795456-2597086917177490-2750290979532570624-n-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/k34Gvh2/52364606-2403140033069636-6160914871379558400-o.jpg%85erzincan greek + %15 turkic

Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi

[Rgvgjhvv]

Well, Laz people score just like Pontic Greeks, are they Greeks in denial too? Maybe they're Lazs in denial?

No there is no comparison at all. That's like saying Italians and Greeks are the same people because they plot near each other. Bollocks

[Rabbit Hole]

Trabzon Turks don't even have that. They are pure Pontic Greeks.

Have you seen the samples of Pontian Greeks compared to these Turks are they exactly the same?

[Mejgusu]

I want to see Genetics of a unmixed Karamanlis. Without any tests nobody can say anything. They were Turks, in my opinion and they described themselves as turks. Trabzon turks are not ethnic turks, mostly laz descends.

[Rabbit Hole]

Well, Laz people score just like Pontic Greeks, are they Greeks in denial too? Maybe they're Lazs in denial?

Laz are Georgians and black sea coast Georgians too.

[mergen3]

Do you have the result of Magnesia(Manisa) Greek?

Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi

[Fedora]

Yup. No doubt about it. I am sure they know as well, even if they deny on the surface.

Well, Laz people score just like Pontic Greeks, are they Greeks in denial too? Maybe they're Lazs in denial? (Also Hemshins are almost identical to Pontic Greek too)
edit: hemshin global 25 the distance to pontic greeks is so close
https://i.ibb.co/QXFycWC/71567443-373544130196612-2935586807963713536-n.jpg

[Mejgusu]

%85erzincan greek + %15 turkic

Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi

I doubt that erzincan turks are a mixture just of greeks and turkics.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Trabzon turks are not ethnic turks, mostly laz descends.

No they are Islamized Pontic Greeks

[Rabbit Hole]

Well, Laz people score just like Pontic Greeks, are they Greeks in denial too? Maybe they're Lazs in denial? (Also Hemshins are almost identical to Pontic Greek too)

Laz are Georgians not Pontian Greeks.

[Rabbit Hole]

Well, Laz people score just like Pontic Greeks, are they Greeks in denial too? Maybe they're Lazs in denial? (Also Hemshins are almost identical to Pontic Greek too)

Laz are Georgians not Pontian Greeks.

[mergen3]

I doubt that erzincan turks are a mixture just of greeks and turkics.You are right. may be with the Kurds or armenians

Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi

[Konstantinos]

Yup. No doubt about it. I am sure they know as well, even if they deny on the surface.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greek#Ophitic

[Konstantinos]

Well, Laz people score just like Pontic Greeks, are they Greeks in denial too? Maybe they're Lazs in denial?

Pontic Greek ethnogenesis happened with the assimilation of some Lazs, but they don't score same. Lazs are significantly more Caucasus shifted.

[Mejgusu]

You are right. may be with the Kurds or armenians

Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi

I think mostly caucasian with iranian/turkic influences.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Well, Laz people score just like Pontic Greeks, are they Greeks in denial too? Maybe they're Lazs in denial? (Also Hemshins are almost identical to Pontic Greek too)
edit: hemshin global 25 the distance to pontic greeks is so close


Huh? They're Laz. I don't understand what you're asking me. Being genetically close doesn't mean you're the same. It means your different components average out to a similar outcome.

[Konstantinos]

Have you seen the samples of Pontian Greeks compared to these Turks are they exactly the same?

Pretty comparable.

[Fedora]

Huh? They're Laz. I don't understand what you're asking me. Being genetically close doesn't mean you're the same. It means your different components average out to a similar outcome.
I'm saying assuming someones identity based on genetics, would mean that Pontic Greeks are not Greeks. People who spoke only Turkish and identify as Turks and having no known non-turkish ancestry can't be Pontic Greeks just because they're genetically similar. Just like Pontic Greeks are not Hemshin or Armenians beacuse they are genetically similar. Another example Epirus Greeks are not Albanian eventhough genetically very similar.

[Konstantinos]

Do you have the result of Magnesia(Manisa) Greek?

Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi

Another interesting place to see results from.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I'm saying assuming someones identity based on genetics, would mean that Pontic Greeks are not Greeks. People who spoke only Turkish and identify as Turks and having no known non-turkish ancestry can't be Pontic Greeks just because they're genetically similar. Just like Pontic Greeks are not Hemshin or Armenians beacuse they are genetically similar.

In this case, it's different because they are literally the same people from the same neighbourhoods mixing with the same people. It's just some stayed in Turkey when they converted to Islam. It's not complicated lol.

[Rabbit Hole]

Pretty comparable.

Can I see, i'd like to see the compared samples from Pontian Greeks to people of the Caucasus. Also, I thought the Caucasus input in Pontian Greeks was from Armenia as was they were close to Armenian samples, or are they most close to Georgian samples?

[Hapanuwa]

Can I see, i'd like to see the compared samples from Pontian Greeks to people of the Caucasus. Also, I thought the Caucasus input in Pontian Greeks was from Armenia as was they were close to Armenian samples, or are they most close to Georgian samples?

Gürcüler = Georgians
Pontus Rumlar = Pontic Greeks

https://i.postimg.cc/26fHLwGL/FB-IMG-1586793980312.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/mgpn6Cwt/FB-IMG-1584201665020.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Mejgusu]

Gürcüler = Georgians
Pontus Rumlar = Pontic Greeks

https://i.postimg.cc/26fHLwGL/FB-IMG-1586793980312.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/mgpn6Cwt/FB-IMG-1584201665020.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

According the first picture Turks are the most North European people in black sea area. Very interesting, but no wondering.

[Rabbit Hole]

Gürcüler = Georgians
Pontus Rumlar = Pontic Greeks

https://i.postimg.cc/26fHLwGL/FB-IMG-1586793980312.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/mgpn6Cwt/FB-IMG-1584201665020.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
The writing is too small and i am almost blind do you have the percentage comparison on the k36 ( ancient populations ) on Ged match the Pontian Greeks, Laz and Armenian samples? That's interesting for me.

[AncientGreek]

I know these aren't strictly West Asian, but just posting these Dodecanese 23andme matches for reference. It seems like many people from Rhodes seem to score fairly high Cypriot and Italian while people from Kalymnos score high Italian.

Rhodes

https://imgur.com/WMg63d5.png
https://imgur.com/Tnu7Ftq.png
https://imgur.com/iyx7Eg1.png
https://imgur.com/ubdoFz4.png
https://imgur.com/lnX8NkX.png
https://imgur.com/H1lcE08.png
https://imgur.com/fe44QpR.png


Kalymnos

https://imgur.com/TSaMpEa.png
https://imgur.com/MEGFtea.png
https://imgur.com/KtPlFWL.png
https://imgur.com/r0FvgmO.png
https://imgur.com/MFT1nOd.png
https://imgur.com/sxpxskg.png
https://imgur.com/tAgMMZv.png


But should we trust these result, given that speculative predictions have over 60% assigned?

[Rabbit Hole]

I know these aren't strictly West Asian, but just posting these Dodecanese 23andme matches for reference. It seems like many people from Rhodes seem to score fairly high Cypriot and Italian while people from Kalymnos score high Italian.

Rhodes

https://imgur.com/WMg63d5.png
https://imgur.com/Tnu7Ftq.png
https://imgur.com/iyx7Eg1.png
https://imgur.com/ubdoFz4.png
https://imgur.com/lnX8NkX.png
https://imgur.com/H1lcE08.png
https://imgur.com/fe44QpR.png


Kalymnos

https://imgur.com/TSaMpEa.png
https://imgur.com/MEGFtea.png
https://imgur.com/KtPlFWL.png
https://imgur.com/r0FvgmO.png
https://imgur.com/MFT1nOd.png
https://imgur.com/sxpxskg.png
https://imgur.com/tAgMMZv.png


But should we trust these result, given that speculative predictions have over 60% assigned?

How much Cypriot? Why is that the case too?

[Konstantinos]

Can I see, i'd like to see the compared samples from Pontian Greeks to people of the Caucasus. Also, I thought the Caucasus input in Pontian Greeks was from Armenia as was they were close to Armenian samples, or are they most close to Georgian samples?

I don't have them, I have seen them before on the internet you'll find them easily. They are intermediate between Lazs and Armenians with a Med shift.

[Hapanuwa]

The writing is too small and i am almost blind do you have the percentage comparison on the k36 ( ancient populations ) on Ged match the Pontian Greeks, Laz and Armenian samples? That's interesting for me.

Unfortunately, I don't have the Gedmatch samples you asked for for. However, I can provide you this research done by Turkish DNA Project. It contains the Dodecad k12b averages of many populations, including Pontic Greeks, Lazes and Armenians.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h7yXUn5ZUNQM34ItjKLHMr-1HovxDPjf16jnJl-0r5Y/htmlview

[Rabbit Hole]

I don't have them, I have seen them before on the internet you'll find them easily. They are intermediate between Lazs and Armenians with a Med shift.
Ok by Med I assume they mean Eastern Med I see them getting very little West Med scores here

[Dorian]

Thread is getting poisoned..

[Rabbit Hole]

Unfortunately, I don't have the Gedmatch samples you asked for for. However, I can provide you this research done by Turkish DNA Project. It contains the Dodecad k12b averages of many populations, including Pontic Greeks, Lazes and Armenians.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h7yXUn5ZUNQM34ItjKLHMr-1HovxDPjf16jnJl-0r5Y/htmlview

That's enough thanks, I will take a look.

[Rabbit Hole]

Funny the West Asian Caucasus in the Crete and Cypriot samples are very close. I wonder if they are Rhodes samples then yes.

[Konstantinos]

I know these aren't strictly West Asian, but just posting these Dodecanese 23andme matches for reference. It seems like many people from Rhodes seem to score fairly high Cypriot and Italian while people from Kalymnos score high Italian.

Rhodes

https://imgur.com/WMg63d5.png
https://imgur.com/Tnu7Ftq.png
https://imgur.com/iyx7Eg1.png
https://imgur.com/ubdoFz4.png
https://imgur.com/lnX8NkX.png
https://imgur.com/H1lcE08.png
https://imgur.com/fe44QpR.png


Kalymnos

https://imgur.com/TSaMpEa.png
https://imgur.com/MEGFtea.png
https://imgur.com/KtPlFWL.png
https://imgur.com/r0FvgmO.png
https://imgur.com/MFT1nOd.png
https://imgur.com/sxpxskg.png
https://imgur.com/tAgMMZv.png


But should we trust these result, given that speculative predictions have over 60% assigned?

Don't read too much into it, these commercial companies are targeting the general public so have many ambiguous,overlapping categories.

I just find it strange there is so many kits from Kalymnos(!) and we struggle to find from a population as big as Asia Minor Greeks.

[Tauromachos]

You title the thread West Asia Minor Greek gedmatch but half of the thread is about Pontic Greeks,Karamanlides
or even Laz and Turks

I don't understand:picard2:

[Rabbit Hole]

Don't read too much into it, these commercial companies are targeting the general public so have many ambiguous,overlapping categories.

I just find it strange there is so many kits from Kalymnos(!) and we struggle to find from a population as big as Asia Minor Greeks.

many of them were genocided they don't even live there anymore and there was a great popluation exchange.

[Konstantinos]

You title the thread West Asia Minor Greek gedmatch but half of the thread is about Pontic Greeks,Karamanlides
or even Laz and Turks

I don't understand:picard2:

Go figure. Still optimistic though. It's a huge genetic gap of Greeks that needs to be filled.

[Konstantinos]

many of them were genocided they don't even live there anymore and there was a great popluation exchange.

Their descendants live in Greece and should be about 25% of Greece's population, yet there's more kits from Kalymnos than the whole of them.

[AncientGreek]

Don't read too much into it, these commercial companies are targeting the general public so have many ambiguous,overlapping categories.

I just find it strange there is so many kits from Kalymnos(!) and we struggle to find from a population as big as Asia Minor Greeks.

Because Kalymnians are a decently sized migrant group living in western countries, there are much more of them testing. How many Greeks living today have 100% ancestry from western Anatolia? The ones I linked earlier were all pretty old, and had 4 grandparents from those locations. You aren't going to find many that are unmixed with mainlanders or islanders nowadays if I had to guess. And mainly it's Greek Americans that are testing, not as many from Greece relatively.

[Tauromachos]

Go figure. Still optimistic though. It's a huge genetic gap of Greeks that needs to be filled.

Between whom is the huge genetic gap?

Be more precise

[Dimitri159]

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f0229221fdda1d38c75987f39811c840

Where are these percents found? Where do I find these?

[Konstantinos]

Because Kalymnians are a decently sized migrant group living in western countries, there are much more of them testing. How many Greeks living today have 100% ancestry from western Anatolia? The ones I linked earlier were all pretty old, and had 4 grandparents from those locations. You aren't going to find many that are unmixed with mainlanders or islanders nowadays if I had to guess. And mainly it's Greek Americans that are testing, not as many from Greece relatively.

About Kalymnos I had the town in Florida in mind. I don't know where you live, but here in Thessaloniki there's many 100% Asia Minor-descended. Take for e.g. Michaniona.

[AncientGreek]

About Kalymnos I had the town in Florida in mind. I don't know where you live, but here in Thessaloniki there's many 100% Asia Minor-descended. Take for e.g. Michaniona.

Yes, places like Tarpon Springs in Florida, or Darwin in Australia have an enormous amounts of Kalymnians. There are more Kalymnians in the US and Australia than there are in Kalymnos, they're pretty much a migrant group at this point.

And yes, 100% Greeks from Pontus are not rare, but how about areas in the west Asia Minor? Anybody have any statistics?

[Konstantinos]

Between whom is the huge genetic gap?

Be more precise

I misspoke, I meant hole rather than gap. We have a hole in our genetic record where we should have a lot Asia Minor Greek results.

[AncientGreek]

Where are these percents found? Where do I find these?

Using Global25 data from this blog http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/07/getting-most-out-of-global25_12.html in Vahaduo calculators at this link http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/.

[Konstantinos]

Yes, places like Tarpon Springs in Florida, or Darwin in Australia have an enormous amounts of Kalymnians. There are more Kalymnians in the US and Australia than there are in Kalymnos, they're pretty much a migrant group at this point.

And yes, 100% Greeks from Pontus are not rare, but how about areas in the west Asia Minor? Anybody have any statistics?

At the census of 1928 they represented about 1/4 of 6 million. Even if most of them married other Greeks there should be more than 500.000 full-blooded I would guess.

[Tauromachos]

I misspoke, I meant hole rather than gap. We have a hole in our genetic record where we should have a lot Asia Minor Greek results.

Ok some Asia Minor Greek results have been posted here and what is known so far from results as also from published studies
is that they don't differ that much from Mainland Greeks

They are on par with South Italians and Aegean Greeks more or less
I mean West Asia Minor Greeks...

[Konstantinos]

Ok some Asia Minor Greek results have been posted here and what is known so far from results as also from published studies
is that they don't differ that much from Mainland Greeks

They are on par with South Italians and Aegean Greeks more or less
I mean West Asia Minor Greeks...

I remember only 1 study with samples from Smyrna. We also don't have samples from elsewhere in Asia Minor on Gedmatch.

[Tauromachos]

I remember only 1 study with samples from Smyrna. We also don't have samples from elsewhere in Asia Minor on Gedmatch.

There is certainly samples from elsewhere like Aivalik

Wasn't a sample from Bodrum(Halicarnassos) previously posted in this thread?

[Konstantinos]

There is certainly samples from elsewhere like Aivalik

Wasn't a sample from Bodrum(Halicarnassos) previously posted in this thread?

Of course thanks to AncientGreek, but unfortunately not on Gedmatch. Commercial companies are ok but nothing too informative.

[Zeno]

I know these aren't strictly West Asian, but just posting these Dodecanese 23andme matches for reference. It seems like many people from Rhodes seem to score fairly high Cypriot and Italian while people from Kalymnos score high Italian.

Rhodes

https://imgur.com/WMg63d5.png
https://imgur.com/Tnu7Ftq.png
https://imgur.com/iyx7Eg1.png
https://imgur.com/ubdoFz4.png
https://imgur.com/lnX8NkX.png
https://imgur.com/H1lcE08.png
https://imgur.com/fe44QpR.png


Kalymnos

https://imgur.com/TSaMpEa.png
https://imgur.com/MEGFtea.png
https://imgur.com/KtPlFWL.png
https://imgur.com/r0FvgmO.png
https://imgur.com/MFT1nOd.png
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But should we trust these result, given that speculative predictions have over 60% assigned?

Wait these are real results? Or speculative samples?

[Zeno]

Ummmm, dudes...

I thought we were going to talk about West Asia Minor Greeks.

Not Pontics, Laz or Cappadocians.

[AncientGreek]

Wait these are real results? Or speculative samples?

What do you mean by 'speculative samples'? Those are real results that are found on my 23andme matches that report 4 grandparents from those locations.

[Dorian]

2x Prousa - 2x Epirus
https://i.postimg.cc/nrQVGcFC/1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

2x Aivali - 2x Lefkada
https://i.postimg.cc/1z5qc6LX/2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Has 1 listed just as Greece - 3 Turkey - but googled surname and it's from Peramos / E-v13
https://i.postimg.cc/LsCZy5pT/4.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

There were some more like 1x Attalia 1x Smyrna or US mutts or just 1 grandparent but meaningless to post I guess.

[Konstantinos]

2x Prousa - 2x Epirus
https://i.postimg.cc/nrQVGcFC/1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

2x Aivali - 2x Lefkada
https://i.postimg.cc/1z5qc6LX/2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Has 1 listed just as Greece - 3 Turkey - but googled surname and it's from Peramos / E-v13
https://i.postimg.cc/LsCZy5pT/4.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

There were some more like 1x Attalia 1x Smyrna or US mutts or just 1 grandparent but meaningless to post I guess.

Again like mainlanders I observe.

[Konstantinos]

50% Anatolian(didn't specify) - 50% mainland(Kastoria)

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.34
2 West_Med 22.58
3 North_Atlantic 16.96
4 West_Asian 16.42
5 Baltic 13.67
6 Red_Sea 2.55

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Greek @ 5.350992
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.468545
3 East_Sicilian @ 7.757215
4 Italian_Abruzzo @ 8.183214
5 West_Sicilian @ 9.992779
6 South_Italian @ 10.041720
7 Ashkenazi @ 12.380610
8 Tuscan @ 13.569579
9 Bulgarian @ 14.579862
10 Romanian @ 17.291784
11 Algerian_Jewish @ 17.596489
12 Sephardic_Jewish @ 17.778383
13 Italian_Jewish @ 17.977381
14 North_Italian @ 19.149132
15 Tunisian_Jewish @ 21.955269
16 Serbian @ 22.351818
17 Libyan_Jewish @ 22.409407
18 Cyprian @ 22.761358
19 Turkish @ 23.429163
20 Lebanese_Muslim @ 26.160957

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.159924

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Sardinian @ 3.421864

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Italian_Jewish + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.051877
2 Armenian + Belorussian + Cyprian + Sardinian @ 3.108569
3 Armenian + Cyprian + Estonian + Sardinian @ 3.170698
4 Armenian + Sardinian + Sephardic_Jewish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.180985
5 Armenian + Cyprian + Finnish + Sardinian @ 3.283872
6 Armenian + Cyprian + Polish + Sardinian @ 3.322408
7 Armenian + Sardinian + Sephardic_Jewish + Southwest_Russian @ 3.362995
8 Armenian + Italian_Jewish + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.363891
9 Armenian + Cyprian + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.388775
10 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.421864
11 Armenian + Cyprian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 3.444054
12 Armenian + Cyprian + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 3.453994
13 Armenian + Cyprian + Estonian_Polish + Sardinian @ 3.456756
14 Armenian + Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 3.476501
15 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Central_Greek @ 3.567668
16 Armenian + Sardinian + Tunisian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.572845
17 Armenian + Cyprian + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.581363
18 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.594439
19 Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.600568
20 Armenian + Cyprian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.623379

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.05
2 West_Med 19.16
3 North_Sea 16.99
4 West_Asian 16.41
5 Baltic 8.46
6 Atlantic 6.90
7 Eastern_Euro 4.48
8 Red_Sea 2.67

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.355673
2 Central_Greek @ 10.434028
3 East_Sicilian @ 11.746453
4 Ashkenazi @ 11.778436
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.737460
6 Greek @ 13.264010
7 South_Italian @ 13.693043
8 Tuscan @ 15.636069
9 West_Sicilian @ 15.851710
10 Bulgarian @ 17.174557
11 Italian_Jewish @ 17.735003
12 Romanian @ 18.484219
13 Sephardic_Jewish @ 20.014145
14 Algerian_Jewish @ 20.074167
15 North_Italian @ 21.069071
16 Serbian @ 22.015732
17 Libyan_Jewish @ 22.097607
18 Tunisian_Jewish @ 23.812155
19 Cyprian @ 23.901960
20 Turkish @ 24.071169

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 8.352939

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +25% Sardinian +25% Swedish @ 8.249183

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Galicia @ 7.837196
2 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 7.906631
3 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 8.038363
4 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 8.051839
5 Armenian + Assyrian + Sardinian + Swedish @ 8.057163
6 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 8.062609
7 Armenian + Assyrian + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 8.191891
8 Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Swedish @ 8.233801
9 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Portuguese @ 8.234939
10 Armenian + Assyrian + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 8.248930
11 Assyrian + Assyrian + Sardinian + Swedish @ 8.249183
12 Armenian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 8.252642
13 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 8.265647
14 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + West_German @ 8.275228
15 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian @ 8.295702
16 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 8.318786
17 Armenian + Assyrian + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 8.320426
18 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Galicia @ 8.326842
19 Armenian + French + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 8.332685
20 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + West_German @ 8.345661

[Konstantinos]

50% Anatolian(didn't specify) - 50% mainland(Kastoria)

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.34
2 West_Med 22.58
3 North_Atlantic 16.96
4 West_Asian 16.42
5 Baltic 13.67
6 Red_Sea 2.55

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Greek @ 5.350992
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.468545
3 East_Sicilian @ 7.757215
4 Italian_Abruzzo @ 8.183214
5 West_Sicilian @ 9.992779
6 South_Italian @ 10.041720
7 Ashkenazi @ 12.380610
8 Tuscan @ 13.569579
9 Bulgarian @ 14.579862
10 Romanian @ 17.291784
11 Algerian_Jewish @ 17.596489
12 Sephardic_Jewish @ 17.778383
13 Italian_Jewish @ 17.977381
14 North_Italian @ 19.149132
15 Tunisian_Jewish @ 21.955269
16 Serbian @ 22.351818
17 Libyan_Jewish @ 22.409407
18 Cyprian @ 22.761358
19 Turkish @ 23.429163
20 Lebanese_Muslim @ 26.160957

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.159924

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Sardinian @ 3.421864

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Italian_Jewish + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.051877
2 Armenian + Belorussian + Cyprian + Sardinian @ 3.108569
3 Armenian + Cyprian + Estonian + Sardinian @ 3.170698
4 Armenian + Sardinian + Sephardic_Jewish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.180985
5 Armenian + Cyprian + Finnish + Sardinian @ 3.283872
6 Armenian + Cyprian + Polish + Sardinian @ 3.322408
7 Armenian + Sardinian + Sephardic_Jewish + Southwest_Russian @ 3.362995
8 Armenian + Italian_Jewish + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.363891
9 Armenian + Cyprian + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.388775
10 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.421864
11 Armenian + Cyprian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 3.444054
12 Armenian + Cyprian + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 3.453994
13 Armenian + Cyprian + Estonian_Polish + Sardinian @ 3.456756
14 Armenian + Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 3.476501
15 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Central_Greek @ 3.567668
16 Armenian + Sardinian + Tunisian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.572845
17 Armenian + Cyprian + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.581363
18 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.594439
19 Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.600568
20 Armenian + Cyprian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.623379

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.05
2 West_Med 19.16
3 North_Sea 16.99
4 West_Asian 16.41
5 Baltic 8.46
6 Atlantic 6.90
7 Eastern_Euro 4.48
8 Red_Sea 2.67

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.355673
2 Central_Greek @ 10.434028
3 East_Sicilian @ 11.746453
4 Ashkenazi @ 11.778436
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.737460
6 Greek @ 13.264010
7 South_Italian @ 13.693043
8 Tuscan @ 15.636069
9 West_Sicilian @ 15.851710
10 Bulgarian @ 17.174557
11 Italian_Jewish @ 17.735003
12 Romanian @ 18.484219
13 Sephardic_Jewish @ 20.014145
14 Algerian_Jewish @ 20.074167
15 North_Italian @ 21.069071
16 Serbian @ 22.015732
17 Libyan_Jewish @ 22.097607
18 Tunisian_Jewish @ 23.812155
19 Cyprian @ 23.901960
20 Turkish @ 24.071169

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 8.352939

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +25% Sardinian +25% Swedish @ 8.249183

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Galicia @ 7.837196
2 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 7.906631
3 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 8.038363
4 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 8.051839
5 Armenian + Assyrian + Sardinian + Swedish @ 8.057163
6 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 8.062609
7 Armenian + Assyrian + North_Swedish + Sardinian @ 8.191891
8 Armenian + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Swedish @ 8.233801
9 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Portuguese @ 8.234939
10 Armenian + Assyrian + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 8.248930
11 Assyrian + Assyrian + Sardinian + Swedish @ 8.249183
12 Armenian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 8.252642
13 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + West_German @ 8.265647
14 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + West_German @ 8.275228
15 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian @ 8.295702
16 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 8.318786
17 Armenian + Assyrian + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 8.320426
18 Assyrian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Galicia @ 8.326842
19 Armenian + French + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 8.332685
20 Armenian + Greek_Thessaly + Libyan_Jewish + West_German @ 8.345661

[Konstantinos]

50% Asia Minor(Smyrna) - 50% mainland(Elis)

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.04
2 West_Med 23.07
3 West_Asian 19.29
4 North_Atlantic 15.23
5 Baltic 10.37
6 Red_Sea 2.74
7 South_Asian 1.17
8 Oceanian 0.54
9 Sub-Saharan 0.3
10 East_Asian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.91
2 East_Sicilian 6.84
3 South_Italian 7.32
4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.97
5 Greek_Thessaly 9.42
6 West_Sicilian 9.69
7 Ashkenazi 11.48
8 Tuscan 14.01
9 Sephardic_Jewish 14.22
10 Algerian_Jewish 14.32
11 Italian_Jewish 14.72
12 Bulgarian 16.67
13 Cyprian 17.11
14 Turkish 17.65
15 Tunisian_Jewish 17.91
16 Libyan_Jewish 18.5
17 Romanian 18.89
18 North_Italian 19.13
19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.24
20 Syrian 21.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.4% Central_Greek + 10.6% Balkar @ 3.46
2 90.1% Central_Greek + 9.9% Ossetian @ 3.47
3 91% Central_Greek + 9% Abkhasian @ 3.5
4 90.5% Central_Greek + 9.5% Georgian @ 3.54
5 90.5% Central_Greek + 9.5% North_Ossetian @ 3.56
6 89.9% Central_Greek + 10.1% Adygei @ 3.56
7 89.8% Central_Greek + 10.2% Kabardin @ 3.57
8 91% Central_Greek + 9% Chechen @ 3.78
9 89.4% Central_Greek + 10.6% Kumyk @ 3.79
10 94.1% Central_Greek + 5.9% Balochi @ 3.83
11 94.2% Central_Greek + 5.8% Brahui @ 3.83
12 93.9% Central_Greek + 6.1% Makrani @ 3.95
13 91.8% Central_Greek + 8.2% Lezgin @ 3.95
14 92.1% Central_Greek + 7.9% Tabassaran @ 3.98
15 94.4% Central_Greek + 5.6% Kalash @ 4.01
16 93.5% Central_Greek + 6.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.09
17 95% Central_Greek + 5% Burusho @ 4.19
18 95% Central_Greek + 5% Pathan @ 4.22
19 93.3% Central_Greek + 6.7% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.23
20 95.5% Central_Greek + 4.5% Sindhi @ 4.23

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Admix Results(sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.47
2 West_Med 19.88
3 West_Asian 17.02
4 North_Sea 10.32
5 Atlantic 10.15
6 Eastern_Euro 6.36
7 Baltic 5.61
8 Red_Sea 2.6
9 South_Asian 1.16
10 Oceanian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 5.37
2 East_Sicilian 7.01
3 South_Italian 7.43
4 Ashkenazi 8.11
5 Italian_Abruzzo 8.2
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.77
7 Greek 8.81
8 West_Sicilian 9.99
9 Italian_Jewish 11.48
10 Tuscan 12.5
11 Sephardic_Jewish 12.74
12 Algerian_Jewish 12.92
13 Bulgarian 15.78
14 Cyprian 16.02
15 Tunisian_Jewish 16.59
16 Libyan_Jewish 17.05
17 Romanian 17.83
18 Turkish 17.87
19 North_Italian 18.15
20 Lebanese_Muslim 19.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Central_Greek + 3.8% Kalash @ 5.06
2 95% Central_Greek + 5% Tabassaran @ 5.07
3 96.6% Central_Greek + 3.4% Burusho @ 5.09
4 95.6% Central_Greek + 4.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.1
5 96% Central_Greek + 4% Balochi @ 5.11
6 95.2% Central_Greek + 4.8% Lezgin @ 5.12
7 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Brahui @ 5.12
8 96.7% Central_Greek + 3.3% Pathan @ 5.13
9 95.4% Central_Greek + 4.6% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.13
10 97.2% Central_Greek + 2.8% MA-1 @ 5.14
11 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Makrani @ 5.16
12 97.1% Central_Greek + 2.9% Punjabi_Jat @ 5.17
13 97.3% Central_Greek + 2.7% Sindhi @ 5.18
14 94.8% Central_Greek + 5.2% Turkmen @ 5.18
15 95.8% Central_Greek + 4.2% Tadjik @ 5.18
16 96% Central_Greek + 4% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 5.19
17 95.6% Central_Greek + 4.4% Kumyk @ 5.21
18 96.4% Central_Greek + 3.6% Chechen @ 5.21
19 96.3% Central_Greek + 3.7% Balkar @ 5.22
20 96.5% Central_Greek + 3.5% Ossetian @ 5.22

[Rgvgjhvv]

50% Asia Minor(Smyrna) - 50% mainland(Elis)


Very high West Asian

[Konstantinos]

Very high West Asian

Indeed but not unheard of I think.

[AncientGreek]

Very high West Asian

Their West Asian is similar to mine but they're more Balkan shifted than me...


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.45
2 West_Med 23.53
3 West_Asian 18.37
4 North_Atlantic 13.53
5 Red_Sea 6.82
6 Baltic 3.79
7 South_Asian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.05
2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.36
3 East_Sicilian 7.73
4 Central_Greek 8.27
5 Algerian_Jewish 8.35
6 Italian_Jewish 8.59
7 Cyprian 10.29
8 Ashkenazi 10.46
9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.74
10 West_Sicilian 10.96
11 Italian_Abruzzo 11.03
12 Libyan_Jewish 11.66
13 Lebanese_Muslim 14.46
14 Greek_Thessaly 15.54
15 Syrian 15.96
16 Turkish 17.36
17 Tuscan 17.36
18 Samaritan 17.65
19 Lebanese_Christian 18.6
20 Lebanese_Druze 19.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% Cyprian + 17.6% French_Basque @ 2.01
2 75.9% Cyprian + 24.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.64
3 79.1% Cyprian + 20.9% Southwest_French @ 2.68
4 77.2% Cyprian + 22.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.75
5 78.4% Cyprian + 21.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.76
6 78.3% Cyprian + 21.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.77
7 70.3% South_Italian + 29.7% Cyprian @ 2.84
8 75.8% Cyprian + 24.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.03
9 84.3% South_Italian + 15.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.17
10 77% Cyprian + 23% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.18
11 70.5% Cyprian + 29.5% North_Italian @ 3.19
12 83.9% South_Italian + 16.1% Assyrian @ 3.23
13 77.5% Cyprian + 22.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.24
14 82.6% South_Italian + 17.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.27
15 76.6% Cyprian + 23.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.3
16 77.5% Cyprian + 22.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.31
17 77% Cyprian + 23% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.31
18 85.4% South_Italian + 14.6% Armenian @ 3.33
19 78.7% South_Italian + 21.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.33
20 85.4% South_Italian + 14.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.33

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Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.45
2 West_Med 23.53
3 West_Asian 18.37
4 North_Atlantic 13.53
5 Red_Sea 6.82
6 Baltic 3.79


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian @ 5.721688
2 Sephardic_Jewish @ 8.323997
3 East_Sicilian @ 8.773206
4 Central_Greek @ 9.397491
5 Algerian_Jewish @ 9.398114
6 Italian_Jewish @ 9.806026
7 Cyprian @ 11.857932
8 Ashkenazi @ 11.862622
9 Tunisian_Jewish @ 11.906460
10 West_Sicilian @ 12.577986
11 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.659006
12 Libyan_Jewish @ 12.705194
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 16.278749
14 Syrian @ 17.722458
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.724112
16 Turkish @ 19.576508
17 Tuscan @ 20.036047
18 Samaritan @ 20.065554
19 Lebanese_Christian @ 21.301083
20 Jordanian @ 21.470631

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.153836


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Sardinian +25% Tuscan @ 2.418900


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++
1 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 1.419497
2 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.044960
3 Assyrian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.158042
4 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Sicilian @ 2.301597
5 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.308706
6 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.383621
7 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.418900
8 Assyrian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 2.494928
9 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Sicilian @ 2.520004
10 Italian_Abruzzo + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 2.535708
11 Assyrian + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.571721
12 Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.592261
13 Armenian + East_Sicilian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.629588
14 Armenian + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.639330
15 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.649498
16 Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.662195
17 Iranian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 2.705418
18 Assyrian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.725314
19 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Samaritan + Sardinian @ 2.730667
20 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Palestinian + Sardinian @ 2.732130

Done.

I tried to find some west Asia Minor GEDMatch kits but had no luck, can only find Dodecanese ones... :picard1:

[Rgvgjhvv]

Their West Asian is similar to mine but they're more Balkan shifted than me...


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.45
2 West_Med 23.53
3 West_Asian 18.37
4 North_Atlantic 13.53
5 Red_Sea 6.82
6 Baltic 3.79
7 South_Asian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.05
2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.36
3 East_Sicilian 7.73
4 Central_Greek 8.27
5 Algerian_Jewish 8.35
6 Italian_Jewish 8.59
7 Cyprian 10.29
8 Ashkenazi 10.46
9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.74
10 West_Sicilian 10.96
11 Italian_Abruzzo 11.03
12 Libyan_Jewish 11.66
13 Lebanese_Muslim 14.46
14 Greek_Thessaly 15.54
15 Syrian 15.96
16 Turkish 17.36
17 Tuscan 17.36
18 Samaritan 17.65
19 Lebanese_Christian 18.6
20 Lebanese_Druze 19.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% Cyprian + 17.6% French_Basque @ 2.01
2 75.9% Cyprian + 24.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.64
3 79.1% Cyprian + 20.9% Southwest_French @ 2.68
4 77.2% Cyprian + 22.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.75
5 78.4% Cyprian + 21.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.76
6 78.3% Cyprian + 21.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.77
7 70.3% South_Italian + 29.7% Cyprian @ 2.84
8 75.8% Cyprian + 24.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.03
9 84.3% South_Italian + 15.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.17
10 77% Cyprian + 23% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.18
11 70.5% Cyprian + 29.5% North_Italian @ 3.19
12 83.9% South_Italian + 16.1% Assyrian @ 3.23
13 77.5% Cyprian + 22.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.24
14 82.6% South_Italian + 17.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.27
15 76.6% Cyprian + 23.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.3
16 77.5% Cyprian + 22.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.31
17 77% Cyprian + 23% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.31
18 85.4% South_Italian + 14.6% Armenian @ 3.33
19 78.7% South_Italian + 21.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.33
20 85.4% South_Italian + 14.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.33

-------------------------------------------------

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.45
2 West_Med 23.53
3 West_Asian 18.37
4 North_Atlantic 13.53
5 Red_Sea 6.82
6 Baltic 3.79


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian @ 5.721688
2 Sephardic_Jewish @ 8.323997
3 East_Sicilian @ 8.773206
4 Central_Greek @ 9.397491
5 Algerian_Jewish @ 9.398114
6 Italian_Jewish @ 9.806026
7 Cyprian @ 11.857932
8 Ashkenazi @ 11.862622
9 Tunisian_Jewish @ 11.906460
10 West_Sicilian @ 12.577986
11 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.659006
12 Libyan_Jewish @ 12.705194
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 16.278749
14 Syrian @ 17.722458
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.724112
16 Turkish @ 19.576508
17 Tuscan @ 20.036047
18 Samaritan @ 20.065554
19 Lebanese_Christian @ 21.301083
20 Jordanian @ 21.470631

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.153836


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Sardinian +25% Tuscan @ 2.418900


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++
1 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 1.419497
2 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.044960
3 Assyrian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.158042
4 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Sicilian @ 2.301597
5 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.308706
6 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.383621
7 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.418900
8 Assyrian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 2.494928
9 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Sicilian @ 2.520004
10 Italian_Abruzzo + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 2.535708
11 Assyrian + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.571721
12 Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.592261
13 Armenian + East_Sicilian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.629588
14 Armenian + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.639330
15 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.649498
16 Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.662195
17 Iranian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 2.705418
18 Assyrian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.725314
19 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Samaritan + Sardinian @ 2.730667
20 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Palestinian + Sardinian @ 2.732130

Done.

I tried to find some west Asia Minor GEDMatch kits but had no luck, can only find Dodecanese ones... :picard1:

What is your documented ancestry?

[AncientGreek]

What is your documented ancestry?

I've got some great great grandparents from Crete, Bodrum and Istanbul but they moved to Dodecanese and since then all other ancestors are native to Rhodes, Kalymnos, and maybe a few other Dodecanese islands, unless they too came from somewhere else before then...

[Rgvgjhvv]

I've got some great great grandparents from Crete, Bodrum and Istanbul but they moved to Dodecanese and since then all other ancestors are native to Rhodes, Kalymnos, and maybe a few other Dodecanese islands, unless they too came from somewhere else before then...

So regarding your grandparents it's like 50% Rhodes 50% Kalymnos roughly?

[AncientGreek]

So regarding your grandparents it's like 50% Rhodes 50% Kalymnos roughly?

That's correct.

[Leto]

Their West Asian is similar to mine but they're more Balkan shifted than me...


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.45
2 West_Med 23.53
3 West_Asian 18.37
4 North_Atlantic 13.53
5 Red_Sea 6.82
6 Baltic 3.79
7 South_Asian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 5.05
2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.36
3 East_Sicilian 7.73
4 Central_Greek 8.27
5 Algerian_Jewish 8.35
6 Italian_Jewish 8.59
7 Cyprian 10.29
8 Ashkenazi 10.46
9 Tunisian_Jewish 10.74
10 West_Sicilian 10.96
11 Italian_Abruzzo 11.03
12 Libyan_Jewish 11.66
13 Lebanese_Muslim 14.46
14 Greek_Thessaly 15.54
15 Syrian 15.96
16 Turkish 17.36
17 Tuscan 17.36
18 Samaritan 17.65
19 Lebanese_Christian 18.6
20 Lebanese_Druze 19.45

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% Cyprian + 17.6% French_Basque @ 2.01
2 75.9% Cyprian + 24.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.64
3 79.1% Cyprian + 20.9% Southwest_French @ 2.68
4 77.2% Cyprian + 22.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.75
5 78.4% Cyprian + 21.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.76
6 78.3% Cyprian + 21.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.77
7 70.3% South_Italian + 29.7% Cyprian @ 2.84
8 75.8% Cyprian + 24.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.03
9 84.3% South_Italian + 15.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.17
10 77% Cyprian + 23% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.18
11 70.5% Cyprian + 29.5% North_Italian @ 3.19
12 83.9% South_Italian + 16.1% Assyrian @ 3.23
13 77.5% Cyprian + 22.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.24
14 82.6% South_Italian + 17.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.27
15 76.6% Cyprian + 23.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.3
16 77.5% Cyprian + 22.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.31
17 77% Cyprian + 23% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.31
18 85.4% South_Italian + 14.6% Armenian @ 3.33
19 78.7% South_Italian + 21.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.33
20 85.4% South_Italian + 14.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.33

-------------------------------------------------

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.45
2 West_Med 23.53
3 West_Asian 18.37
4 North_Atlantic 13.53
5 Red_Sea 6.82
6 Baltic 3.79


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Italian @ 5.721688
2 Sephardic_Jewish @ 8.323997
3 East_Sicilian @ 8.773206
4 Central_Greek @ 9.397491
5 Algerian_Jewish @ 9.398114
6 Italian_Jewish @ 9.806026
7 Cyprian @ 11.857932
8 Ashkenazi @ 11.862622
9 Tunisian_Jewish @ 11.906460
10 West_Sicilian @ 12.577986
11 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.659006
12 Libyan_Jewish @ 12.705194
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 16.278749
14 Syrian @ 17.722458
15 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.724112
16 Turkish @ 19.576508
17 Tuscan @ 20.036047
18 Samaritan @ 20.065554
19 Lebanese_Christian @ 21.301083
20 Jordanian @ 21.470631

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.153836


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Sardinian +25% Tuscan @ 2.418900


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++
1 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 1.419497
2 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.044960
3 Assyrian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.158042
4 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Sicilian @ 2.301597
5 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.308706
6 Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.383621
7 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.418900
8 Assyrian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 2.494928
9 Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Sicilian @ 2.520004
10 Italian_Abruzzo + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 2.535708
11 Assyrian + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.571721
12 Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.592261
13 Armenian + East_Sicilian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.629588
14 Armenian + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 2.639330
15 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.649498
16 Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 2.662195
17 Iranian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Muslim + Sardinian @ 2.705418
18 Assyrian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Christian + Sardinian @ 2.725314
19 Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Abruzzo + Samaritan + Sardinian @ 2.730667
20 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Palestinian + Sardinian @ 2.732130

Done.

I tried to find some west Asia Minor GEDMatch kits but had no luck, can only find Dodecanese ones... :picard1:
That's a super high East Med score and a super low Baltic one. Can you please share your Dodecad K12b?

[gültekin]

They were absolutely not ethnic Turks
you absolutely e1b1b1 infected curly hairy east-med, your idiotic bullshit of megalo malaka idea.
This old Karamanlı lady can pass even to Japan.Nothing oily curly hairy east-med about her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHwKZ9O_QE

Karamanlılar were most likely the Christian Uz and Pechenegs formerly Turcopoles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turcopole) . You megola-malakas should know well them, Diogenes gived them a good BJ at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manzikert

[Rgvgjhvv]

That's a super high East Med score and a super low Baltic one. Can you please share your Dodecad K12b?

East Med isn't outrageous. Mine is 30.22 or something but his West Asian and especially Red Sea are very high. My West Asian is I think 14 and Red Sea like 1-2, haha.

[Konstantinos]

East Med isn't outrageous. Mine is 30.22 or something but his West Asian and especially Red Sea are very high. My West Asian is I think 14 and Red Sea like 1-2, haha.

Variation exists. I read a thread in the past where a kit from someone in Agrinio(was it you who posted it?) had 20% East Med-West Med-West Asian each.

[Rabbit Hole]

you absolutely e1b1b1 infected curly hairy east-med, your idiotic bullshit of megalo malaka idea.
This old Karamanlı lady can pass even to Japan.Nothing oily curly hairy east-med about her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHwKZ9O_QE

Karamanlılar were most likely the Christian Uz and Pechenegs formerly Turcopoles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turcopole) . You megola-malakas should know well them, Diogenes gived them a good BJ at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manzikert
YOUR KIND DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS GROUP OR THIS FORUM FUCK THE HELL OFF!

[Rabbit Hole]

That's correct.

Do you have any Luwian out of interest too?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Variation exists. I read a thread in the past where a kit from someone in Agrinio(was it you who posted it?) had 20% East Med-West Med-West Asian each.

That was half Agrinio half Sparti. But I believe that was a raw data error because there's absolutely no explanation for that :lol: the K15 plot averaged out to a more believable location but the individual components were bollocks. Something about the chip version had to have become buggy.

[Konstantinos]

That was half Agrinio half Sparti. But I believe that was a raw data error because there's absolutely no explanation for that :lol: the K15 plot averaged out to a more believable location but the individual components were bollocks. Something about the chip version had to have become buggy.

Maybe but I believe extraordinary results like that happen. In the end she didn't pull him away when averaged so she was still closest to Greeks just a little drifted.

[Mejgusu]

YOUR KIND DOES NOT BELONG IN THIS GROUP OR THIS FORUM FUCK THE HELL OFF!

Please everybody should stay decent. Its very controversial, i dont understand why everybody hates everybody here. I woud see a result of unmixed karamanli, very intersting.

[Fedora]

you absolutely e1b1b1 infected curly hairy east-med, your idiotic bullshit of megalo malaka idea.
This old Karamanlı lady can pass even to Japan.Nothing oily curly hairy east-med about her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxHwKZ9O_QE

Karamanlılar were most likely the Christian Uz and Pechenegs formerly Turcopoles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turcopole) . You megola-malakas should know well them, Diogenes gived them a good BJ at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manzikert
They are not Karamanlis, the title of that video is wrong. Samsun Pontic Greeks spoke turkish! The women says she's from Samsun. I don't think it's true what are you saying.
Real Karamanlis look Anatolid-Armenoid mixed like this guy, I think they will be just like Cappadocian Greeks who spoke Greek genetically just based on phenotypes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeCZpHyp5jQ

[AncientGreek]

That's a super high East Med score and a super low Baltic one. Can you please share your Dodecad K12b?


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.31
2 Atlantic_Med 25.64
3 Southwest_Asian 17.36
4 North_European 8.9
5 Gedrosia 7.34
6 Northwest_African 2.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 4.85
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.09
3 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 7.32
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 7.55
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.94
6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 9.1
7 Cypriots (Behar) 11.7
8 Greek (Dodecad) 13.29
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.25
10 Lebanese (Behar) 15.91
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.98
12 Syrians (Behar) 18.29
13 Druze (HGDP) 18.35
14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.84
15 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.03
16 Turks (Behar) 19.31
17 Jordanians (Behar) 19.8
18 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.3
19 Palestinian (HGDP) 21.21
20 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60% Druze (HGDP) + 40% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.66
2 66% Druze (HGDP) + 34% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.72
3 68.5% Druze (HGDP) + 31.5% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.89
4 69.8% Druze (HGDP) + 30.2% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 2
5 69.1% Druze (HGDP) + 30.9% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.05
6 69.7% Druze (HGDP) + 30.3% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 2.15
7 73% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.26
8 70.1% Druze (HGDP) + 29.9% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 2.29
9 77% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.36
10 52.6% Druze (HGDP) + 47.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.41
11 69% Druze (HGDP) + 31% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 2.42
12 77.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.1% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.43
13 59.3% Druze (HGDP) + 40.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.43
14 70.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.7% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.48
15 66.8% Druze (HGDP) + 33.2% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
16 69.2% Druze (HGDP) + 30.8% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
17 68.2% Druze (HGDP) + 31.8% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 2.59
18 70.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.6
19 74.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.72
20 66.9% Druze (HGDP) + 33.1% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 2.79

----

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.31
2 Atlantic_Med 25.64
3 Southwest_Asian 17.36
4 North_European 8.90
5 Gedrosia 7.34
6 Northwest_African 2.45


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 5.227373
2 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 7.588077
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 7.917027
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 8.136684
5 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 8.511046
6 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 9.902150
7 Cypriots_Behar @ 13.038383
8 Greek_Dodecad @ 14.374611
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.477386
10 Lebanese_Behar @ 17.011154
11 Turkish_Dodecad @ 18.244764
12 Syrians_Behar @ 19.437952
13 Druze_HGDP @ 20.005690
14 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 20.492662
15 Tuscan_HGDP @ 20.563980
16 Turks_Behar @ 20.728874
17 Jordanians_Behar @ 20.934263
18 TSI30_Metspalu @ 21.995255
19 Palestinian_HGDP @ 22.410236
20 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 23.801794

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze_HGDP +50% TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.769008


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots_Behar +25% Galicia_1000Genomes +25% Syrians_Behar @ 1.766355


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Baleares_1000Genomes + Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Syrians_Behar @ 1.170874
2 Assyrian_Dodecad + Baleares_1000Genomes + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.314505
3 Assyrian_Dodecad + Baleares_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.345001
4 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.403321
5 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.417965
6 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.491509
7 C_Italian_Dodecad + Iraq_Jews_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.503319
8 Aragon_1000Genomes + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.572435
9 Armenian_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.575348
10 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.578925
11 Aragon_1000Genomes + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.584611
12 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Cantabria_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.626256
13 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Baleares_1000Genomes + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.627902
14 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Baleares_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.636500
15 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.646564
16 Armenian_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.647311
17 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Cantabria_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.662375
18 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.664078
19 Cypriots_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Syrians_Behar @ 1.665087
20 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.678119

Done.

[Mejgusu]

They are not Karamanlis, the title of that video is wrong. Samsun Pontic Greeks spoke turkish! The women says she's from Samsun. I don't think it's true what are you saying.
Real Karamanlis look Anatolid-Armenoid mixed like this guy, I think they will be just like Cappadocian Greeks who spoke Greek genetically just based on phenotypes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeCZpHyp5jQ

I saw many old pictures of karamanli, they lookey like other turks, some may be anatolid or armenoid but most of them could pass to regular turks.

[Mejgusu]

They are not Karamanlis, the title of that video is wrong. Samsun Pontic Greeks spoke turkish! The women says she's from Samsun. I don't think it's true what are you saying.
Real Karamanlis look Anatolid-Armenoid mixed like this guy, I think they will be just like Cappadocian Greeks who spoke Greek genetically just based on phenotypes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeCZpHyp5jQ

I saw many old pictures of karamanli, they lookey like other turks, some may be anatolid or armenoid but most of them could pass to regular turks.

[AncientGreek]

That's a super high East Med score and a super low Baltic one. Can you please share your Dodecad K12b?

East Med is actually around average for the area after further investigation.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.31
2 Atlantic_Med 25.64
3 Southwest_Asian 17.36
4 North_European 8.9
5 Gedrosia 7.34
6 Northwest_African 2.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 4.85
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.09
3 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 7.32
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 7.55
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.94
6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 9.1
7 Cypriots (Behar) 11.7
8 Greek (Dodecad) 13.29
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.25
10 Lebanese (Behar) 15.91
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.98
12 Syrians (Behar) 18.29
13 Druze (HGDP) 18.35
14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.84
15 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.03
16 Turks (Behar) 19.31
17 Jordanians (Behar) 19.8
18 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.3
19 Palestinian (HGDP) 21.21
20 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60% Druze (HGDP) + 40% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.66
2 66% Druze (HGDP) + 34% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.72
3 68.5% Druze (HGDP) + 31.5% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.89
4 69.8% Druze (HGDP) + 30.2% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 2
5 69.1% Druze (HGDP) + 30.9% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.05
6 69.7% Druze (HGDP) + 30.3% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 2.15
7 73% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.26
8 70.1% Druze (HGDP) + 29.9% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 2.29
9 77% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.36
10 52.6% Druze (HGDP) + 47.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.41
11 69% Druze (HGDP) + 31% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 2.42
12 77.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.1% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.43
13 59.3% Druze (HGDP) + 40.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.43
14 70.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.7% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.48
15 66.8% Druze (HGDP) + 33.2% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
16 69.2% Druze (HGDP) + 30.8% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
17 68.2% Druze (HGDP) + 31.8% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 2.59
18 70.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.6
19 74.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.72
20 66.9% Druze (HGDP) + 33.1% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 2.79

----

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.31
2 Atlantic_Med 25.64
3 Southwest_Asian 17.36
4 North_European 8.90
5 Gedrosia 7.34
6 Northwest_African 2.45


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 5.227373
2 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 7.588077
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 7.917027
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 8.136684
5 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 8.511046
6 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 9.902150
7 Cypriots_Behar @ 13.038383
8 Greek_Dodecad @ 14.374611
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.477386
10 Lebanese_Behar @ 17.011154
11 Turkish_Dodecad @ 18.244764
12 Syrians_Behar @ 19.437952
13 Druze_HGDP @ 20.005690
14 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 20.492662
15 Tuscan_HGDP @ 20.563980
16 Turks_Behar @ 20.728874
17 Jordanians_Behar @ 20.934263
18 TSI30_Metspalu @ 21.995255
19 Palestinian_HGDP @ 22.410236
20 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 23.801794

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Druze_HGDP +50% TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.769008


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriots_Behar +25% Galicia_1000Genomes +25% Syrians_Behar @ 1.766355


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Baleares_1000Genomes + Cypriots_Behar + Cypriots_Behar + Syrians_Behar @ 1.170874
2 Assyrian_Dodecad + Baleares_1000Genomes + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.314505
3 Assyrian_Dodecad + Baleares_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.345001
4 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.403321
5 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.417965
6 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.491509
7 C_Italian_Dodecad + Iraq_Jews_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.503319
8 Aragon_1000Genomes + Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.572435
9 Armenian_Dodecad + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.575348
10 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.578925
11 Aragon_1000Genomes + Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.584611
12 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Cantabria_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.626256
13 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Baleares_1000Genomes + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.627902
14 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Baleares_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.636500
15 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Assyrian_Dodecad + Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.646564
16 Armenian_Dodecad + Murcia_1000Genomes + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.647311
17 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Assyrian_Dodecad + Cantabria_1000Genomes + Samaritians_Behar @ 1.662375
18 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Valencia_1000Genomes @ 1.664078
19 Cypriots_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Syrians_Behar @ 1.665087
20 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar + Samaritians_Behar + Spaniards_Behar @ 1.678119

Done.

You have almost no paleo-balkan admixture, if any at all.

[AncientGreek]

Are my results abnormal? Because there are a large abundance of Kalymnian uploads on GEDMatch I created an average after investigating n=20 Kalymnian natives. Results shown below, with the GEDMatch calculator results and average, and running them on Vahaduo calculator. The amount of Captcha's encountered on GEDMatch was painful... :picard2:

Eurogenes K13
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z_4QwQc8OjEMyCNq3l2wDEqB0FhKa2wu0mIOTV-jB1g/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,11.6135,7.2385,20.9295,18.2215,34. 49,5.692,0.5635,0.328,0.1715,0.0355,0.3965,0.289,0 .029

https://imgur.com/cIxf6vA.png
https://imgur.com/LgeSaxw.png


Eurogenes K15
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XiaztMKZ0ASPjnjNk1oWY5QwJ_egGhnQYyiFWid6OkI/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,6.9065,9.312,5.9725,2.212,17.021,1 8.4965,32.897,5.9265,0.406,0.195,0.081,0.0095,0.29 1,0.2535,0.0145

https://imgur.com/7BRbGoj.png
https://imgur.com/RFp5dXs.png
https://imgur.com/5h3fE1K.png


Eurogenes K36
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SDpgLjj-Q-8BvEmkz59pdjEt4fH_B55TK6Aoun7a8MA/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,0,4.8855,7.5115,1.192,0,2.056,0,0. 015,4.741,0,1.4225,18.0505,0.2385,0,1.181,7.061,0, 21.0795,0,13,0.395,0.3355,4.721,0.411,0,0.033,0,0, 0,0,0.0575,0,0.114,0,6.049,5.4395

https://imgur.com/Q5iZmC1.png
Why is there no Vahaduo calculator for K36?

Dodecad K12b
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18kfvi-Ty5TWuXq75oGTkcLAgfpjZED89XnRy_D-GFXk/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,7.519,0.186,2.791,0.1275,23.474,11 .649,0.352,0.055,14.022,0.0945,39.692,0.04

https://imgur.com/8jmER9f.png
https://imgur.com/IZOz6zv.png


My conclusion is my results are completely normal for a Greek from the Dodecanese and that Dodecad K12 seems to think we're much closer to Jews than K13 and K15. :thumb001:

[Rgvgjhvv]

Are my results abnormal? Because there are a large abundance of Kalymnian uploads on GEDMatch I created an average after investigating n=20 Kalymnian natives. Results shown below, with the GEDMatch calculator results and average, and running them on Vahaduo calculator. The amount of Captcha's encountered on GEDMatch was painful... :picard2:

Eurogenes K13
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z_4QwQc8OjEMyCNq3l2wDEqB0FhKa2wu0mIOTV-jB1g/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,11.6135,7.2385,20.9295,18.2215,34. 49,5.692,0.5635,0.328,0.1715,0.0355,0.3965,0.289,0 .029

https://imgur.com/cIxf6vA.png
https://imgur.com/LgeSaxw.png


Eurogenes K15
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XiaztMKZ0ASPjnjNk1oWY5QwJ_egGhnQYyiFWid6OkI/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,6.9065,9.312,5.9725,2.212,17.021,1 8.4965,32.897,5.9265,0.406,0.195,0.081,0.0095,0.29 1,0.2535,0.0145

https://imgur.com/RFp5dXs.png
https://imgur.com/5h3fE1K.png


Eurogenes K36
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SDpgLjj-Q-8BvEmkz59pdjEt4fH_B55TK6Aoun7a8MA/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,0,4.8855,7.5115,1.192,0,2.056,0,0. 015,4.741,0,1.4225,18.0505,0.2385,0,1.181,7.061,0, 21.0795,0,13,0.395,0.3355,4.721,0.411,0,0.033,0,0, 0,0,0.0575,0,0.114,0,6.049,5.4395
Why is there no Vahaduo calculator for K36?

Dodecad K12b
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18kfvi-Ty5TWuXq75oGTkcLAgfpjZED89XnRy_D-GFXk/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,7.519,0.186,2.791,0.1275,23.474,11 .649,0.352,0.055,14.022,0.0945,39.692,0.04

https://imgur.com/8jmER9f.png
https://imgur.com/IZOz6zv.png


My conclusion is my results are completely normal for a Greek from the Dodecanese and that Dodecad K12 seems to think we're much closer to Jews than K13 and K15. :thumb001:

It's not yours specifically but the region itself is an outlier. My island is just north and the results are very different. It makes you wonder.

[Konstantinos]

Are my results abnormal? Because there are a large abundance of Kalymnian uploads on GEDMatch I created an average after investigating n=20 Kalymnian natives. Results shown below, with the GEDMatch calculator results and average, and running them on Vahaduo calculator. The amount of Captcha's encountered on GEDMatch was painful... :picard2:

Eurogenes K13
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z_4QwQc8OjEMyCNq3l2wDEqB0FhKa2wu0mIOTV-jB1g/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,11.6135,7.2385,20.9295,18.2215,34. 49,5.692,0.5635,0.328,0.1715,0.0355,0.3965,0.289,0 .029

https://imgur.com/cIxf6vA.png
https://imgur.com/LgeSaxw.png


Eurogenes K15
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XiaztMKZ0ASPjnjNk1oWY5QwJ_egGhnQYyiFWid6OkI/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,6.9065,9.312,5.9725,2.212,17.021,1 8.4965,32.897,5.9265,0.406,0.195,0.081,0.0095,0.29 1,0.2535,0.0145

https://imgur.com/7BRbGoj.png
https://imgur.com/RFp5dXs.png
https://imgur.com/5h3fE1K.png


Eurogenes K36
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SDpgLjj-Q-8BvEmkz59pdjEt4fH_B55TK6Aoun7a8MA/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,0,4.8855,7.5115,1.192,0,2.056,0,0. 015,4.741,0,1.4225,18.0505,0.2385,0,1.181,7.061,0, 21.0795,0,13,0.395,0.3355,4.721,0.411,0,0.033,0,0, 0,0,0.0575,0,0.114,0,6.049,5.4395

https://imgur.com/Q5iZmC1.png
Why is there no Vahaduo calculator for K36?

Dodecad K12b
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18kfvi-Ty5TWuXq75oGTkcLAgfpjZED89XnRy_D-GFXk/htmlview

Greek_Kalymnian,7.519,0.186,2.791,0.1275,23.474,11 .649,0.352,0.055,14.022,0.0945,39.692,0.04

https://imgur.com/8jmER9f.png
https://imgur.com/IZOz6zv.png


My conclusion is my results are completely normal for a Greek from the Dodecanese and that Dodecad K12 seems to think we're much closer to Jews than K13 and K15. :thumb001:

Your results are completely normal.

Of course thank you for the excellent work and enormous effort it would have required to collect all these samples!

[Konstantinos]

It's not yours specifically but the region itself is an outlier. My island is just north and the results are very different. It makes you wonder.

In my view there's a gradient starting from Cyprus ending in North Greece and it's like a straight line with geography(I have my suspicions about West Asia Minor Greeks, one of the reasons I made this thread). Perhaps some "northern" Kalymnians are into the Samos cluster.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Are my results abnormal? Because there are a large abundance of Kalymnian uploads on GEDMatch I created an average after investigating n=20 Kalymnian natives. Results shown below, with the GEDMatch calculator results and average, and running them on Vahaduo calculator. The amount of Captcha's encountered on GEDMatch was painful... :picard2:



In my view there's a gradient starting from Cyprus ending in North Greece and it's like a straight line with geography(I have my suspicions about West Asia Minor Greeks, one of the reasons I made this thread). Perhaps some "northern" Kalymnians are into the Samos cluster.

My results in comparison

K13 (vahaduo)

https://i.imgur.com/KdBcn5v.png

[Konstantinos]

My results in comparison

K13 (vahaduo)

https://i.imgur.com/KdBcn5v.png

I will make a big thread with Greek results in the future, I started collecting them.

[Rabbit Hole]

Interesting how no one is scoring Calabria here

[Rgvgjhvv]

Interesting how no one is scoring Calabria here

All of us have Calabria on our list. What do you mean?

[AncientGreek]

Interesting how no one is scoring Calabria here

Do I not exist? I just showed that Kalymnian average is very close to Calabria, and so am I:

https://i.imgur.com/BbuNmbC.png

Not only that, I get Calabria as a region on 23andme (and I also know other Greeks in the Dodecanese do), which means we not only have close admixture, but there is enough IBD sharing going on for region matching to occur.

[Rabbit Hole]

All of us have Calabria on our list. What do you mean?
Can you print the close matches I see Sicilian lol

[Rabbit Hole]

Do I not exist? I just showed that Kalymnian average is very close to Calabria, and so am I:

https://i.imgur.com/BbuNmbC.png

Not only that, I get Calabria as a region on 23andme (and I also know other Greeks in the Dodecanese do), which means we not only have close admixture, but there is enough IBD sharing going on for region matching to occur.
Yes and thank God you do because I am beginning to think it's all just mainlanders here

[Rabbit Hole]

What is this chart anyway is this through Ged match or whatever

[Tauromachos]

What is this chart anyway is this through Ged match or whatever

You are CrazyladyButterfly?

[Rabbit Hole]

You are CrazyladyButterfly?

No

[Tauromachos]

No

You are weird though

I doubt you are even real you seem like a fake puppet

Whose game are you playing?

[Konstantinos]

Can we focus on the thread? I want to collect many Greek samples for a thread but I can't for the moment find the title ones.

[Rabbit Hole]

Can we focus on the thread? I want to collect many Greek samples for a thread but I can't for the moment find the title ones.

Which ones are you looking for and what regions?

[Rabbit Hole]

Also, how do you determine if anyone has any Luwian? I'd love to know that if you know.

[lacreme]

50% Asia Minor(Smyrna) - 50% mainland(Elis)
......


This is my friend's results, you can find more details at
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?312446-Lacreme-s-gedmatch

And his detailed ancestry is not 50% - 50% but rather...
~47% Peloponnesian in total (Achaia and Elis)
~31% West Asia Minor ( 25% from Seydikoy and 6% from Karaburun)
12.5% Sfakiot Cretan
~6% from Milos
~3% from Lamia

[Konstantinos]

Which ones are you looking for and what regions?

This thread is for West Anatolia Greeks. I also collect every sample of Greeks I can have, so if you have any PM their results in k13 and k15.

[Konstantinos]

Also, how do you determine if anyone has any Luwian? I'd love to know that if you know.

We don't have any Luwian DNA, so we can't know for now.

[Konstantinos]

This is my friend's results, you can find more details at
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?312446-Lacreme-s-gedmatch

And his detailed ancestry is not 50% - 50% but rather...
~47% Peloponnesian in total (Achaia and Elis)
~31% West Asia Minor ( 25% from Seydikoy and 6% from Karaburun)
12.5% Sfakiot Cretan
~6% from Milos
~3% from Lamia

Oh boy am I an idiot. I came across this result on Anthrogenica and checking again I realise I read his father's ancestry as his...

[Rabbit Hole]

We don't have any Luwian DNA, so we can't know for now.

Are there any markers though? I was asking because the Anatolian part of their genetics may be from them a friend told me the other day but i am not certain.

[Rabbit Hole]

This thread is for West Anatolia Greeks. I also collect every sample of Greeks I can have, so if you have any PM their results in k13 and k15.

So Pontian Greeks? I don't know any Pontian Greeks I have mainlanders on my fb but none of them have done tests. One was part Bulgarian, but he had a blazing fight with me because I told him that Greeks made more of a genetic impact in countries outside of Greece than what Slavs had done. As he's very rude and abrupt I didn't mind telling him that.

Oh snap.

[Rabbit Hole]

Actually you know what?

Watch this video it has a lot of samples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK71dEdn7mY The Greek Genetic Legacy

[Konstantinos]

Are there any markers though? I was asking because the Anatolian part of their genetics may be from them a friend told me the other day but i am not certain.

I don't know who told you what but the only surely reliable way to always find out is search the genetic papers. For the moment I understand we only have some probable Hittites.

[Konstantinos]

Actually you know what?

Watch this video it has a lot of samples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK71dEdn7mY The Greek Genetic Legacy

This video is from 2013, I'm sure it does not contain any relevant ancient samples.

I don't know where you get your information from.

[Rabbit Hole]

This video is from 2013, I'm sure it does not contain any relevant ancient samples.

I don't know where you get your information from.
Autosomal testing was advanced anyway after 2010.
This includes Asia Minor samples

[Konstantinos]

Autosomal testing was advanced anyway after 2010.
This includes Asia Minor samples

I checked the video and predictably it doesn't feature anything like that. It's from ages old studies.

What I want is Gedmatch samples.

[Rabbit Hole]

I checked the video and predictably it doesn't feature anything like that. It's from ages old studies.

What I want is Gedmatch samples.

https://anthrogenica.com/archive/index.php/t-15859.html

[MINARDOWICZ]

I'd like West Anatolian GEDMatches too, but here's some matches from 23andme with grandparents from relevant locations:

4x Constantinople/Istanbul Greek:
https://imgur.com/v44ZIGv.png

4x Smyrna/Izmir Greek:
https://imgur.com/z8PV1jV.png

4x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek:
https://imgur.com/kIwYYmM.png

2x Constantinople/Istanbul Greek 2x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek
https://imgur.com/0yOHlXi.png

2x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek 2x Kos Greek:
https://imgur.com/yKCSvEw.png

2x Halicarnassus/Bodrum Greek 2x Rhodes Greek:
https://imgur.com/k3sNeob.png

There's probably more matches but not many matches fill out their profile...

Any Gedmatches for Anatolian Greeks? Please send me...