LAZ PEOPLE OF EASTERN BLACKSEA REGION OF TURKEY.

[CaucasianTurk]

lazs are most depigmented nation in turkey, even lighter than pomaks %18-25 of laz population is blonde,blue eyed or green eyed.
but not,lazs are assimilated by turks,there is no laz in eastern blacksea today they're all speak turkish and lazs most turkish nationalist people in turkey
laz population 40.000-70.000 in turkey.

STEROTYPICAL LAZ FACES

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common subtypes among lazs
1.Mtebid
2.Armenoid
3.Pontid
4.East Alpine
5.Anatolid
6.North Pontid
7.Dinarid
8.Norid
9.Proto-Nordid
10.Iranian-Nordoid
11.Nordid
12.Neo Danubian
13.Trønder

lazs are lighter than bulgarians and greeks,maybe same with croatians or bosnians

[CaucasianTurk]

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[Reis-i Cumhur]

Lazs are %100 lighter than balkan and western turks.Actually Eastern turks(turk ones not kurds) are lighter than many turks in Turkey.
I'd say from the most type to the least type
Pontid-North Pontid
Depigmented Armenoid
Armenoid+Nordid(It is not same with Depigmented Armenoid)
Mtebid
Alpine
Edit:I forgot to say.East Baltid or Baltid.For example Recep Baltaş is a East Baltid but i am not sure he is laz or not

[CaucasianTurk]

Lazs are %100 lighter than balkan and western turks.Actually Eastern turks(turk ones not kurds) are lighter than many turks in Turkey.
I'd say from the most types to the least types
Pontid-North Pontid
Depigmented Armenoid
Armenoid+Nordid(It is not same with Depigmented Armenoid)
Mtebid
Alpine

actually, some of them in this guys,would pass as kurd to.

[CaucasianTurk]

Lazs are %100 lighter than balkan and western turks.Actually Eastern turks(turk ones not kurds) are lighter than many turks in Turkey.
I'd say from the most type to the least type
Pontid-North Pontid
Depigmented Armenoid
Armenoid+Nordid(It is not same with Depigmented Armenoid)
Mtebid
Alpine
Edit:I forgot to say.East Baltid or Baltid.For example Recep Baltaş is a East Baltid but i am not sure he is laz or not

lazlari paylas burada bir kac laz fotosu at sen trabzonlusun sende vardir

POST SOME LAZS!!!!

[Kyp]

I second your described subtypes

[CaucasianTurk]

I second your described subtypes

i dont understand that sorry :D

[gixajo]

If Lazs are 18-25% blonds and blue eyed, why you didn´t post also any of 82-75% who are not light eyed ? I opened 10 pics and all were blue eyed.

[CaucasianTurk]

If Lazs are 18-25% blonds and blue eyed, why you didn´t post also any of 82-75% who are not light eyed ? I opened 10 pics and all were blue eyed.

because they are sterotypical lazs, sterotypical laz faces. you understand now?

[Renekton]

They are Turkishized Georgians.

[CaucasianTurk]

They are Turkishized Georgians.

yes they are turkishized georgians,
i think you would pass as laz too. but not sure.

[Reis-i Cumhur]

If Lazs are 18-25% blonds and blue eyed, why you didn´t post also any of 82-75% who are not light eyed ? I opened 10 pics and all were blue eyed.

He has posted famous Lazs in Turkey.
Not local lazs.
But then again most of lazs i have ever seen in my life have blue-green eyed and whitskin.
So colored eyes in Population of Lazs must be higher than %25.I guess it is nearly %70-80 af

[gixajo]

because they are sterotypical lazs, sterotypical laz faces. you understand now?

If I want to show how an ethnic group is actually, I post a representative sample of that ethnic group, not a cherrypicked sample with only one common trait: being blue eyed.

Do you understand me now? Surely you understood me first time.

[gixajo]

He has posted famous Lazs in Turkey.
Not local lazs.
But then again most of lazs i have ever seen in my life have blue-green eyed and whitskin.
So colored eyes in Population of Lazs must be higher than %25.I guess it is nearly %70-80 af

Yeah, of course, 70-80%.:thumb001:

[eatensemn]

The Archlaz ofc

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Recep_Tayyip_Erdogan_2017.jpg

[CaucasianTurk]

If I want to show how an ethnic group is actually, I post a representative sample of that ethnic group, not a cherrypicked sample with only one common trait: being blue eyed.

Do you understand me now? Surely you understood me first time.

just forget about it.

[CaucasianTurk]

The Archlaz ofc

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Recep_Tayyip_Erdogan_2017.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97448&d=1586808701 look at this

number 3 is similar to erdogan

[Frowning Man]

Laz? Although I am Georgian I have never seen them. In theory, they should be similar to Western Georgians. Most of all, they should be similar to megrels. We even have very similar languages.

[gixajo]

yes i understand you
NOW, GET OUT OF MY THREAD.

I will go if I want.:D

[Reis-i Cumhur]

The Archlaz ofc

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Recep_Tayyip_Erdogan_2017.jpg

Yes he is white non-european caucasoid.
To be honest,I am very proud of his skintone.At least he is lighter than most of his supporters

[Aileron]

Armenoids mostly

[Voskos]

They're lighter than Georgians oddly.

[Marmara]

I guess it is nearly %70-80 af

Actually it's around 30%-35%, majority of Lazes have dark eyes, Lazes also have one of the most Eastern faces, despite relatively light pigmentation.

They have overall Kavkaz looks, similar to Chechens.

[Fedora]

They're not lighter than Balkanites. Many have kavkazid influenced looks.

[Cumansky]

Some intermediate of European Russians and Kurds

[Cumansky]

They're not lighter than Balkanites. Many have kavkazid influenced looks.

They are lighter than Polish so..

[Aileron]

Actually it's around 30%-35%, majority of Lazes have dark eyes, Lazes also have one of the most Eastern faces, despite relatively light pigmentation.

They have overall Kavkaz looks, similar to Chechens.

Indeed they look eastern, mostly Armenoids to me

[Cumansky]

Indeed they look eastern, mostly Armenoids to me

What you mean Eastern? They don't look Mongol influenced

[Aileron]

What you mean Eastern? They don't look Mongol influenced

Armenoid or lets say Caucasian(region) influence

[Reis-i Cumhur]

What you mean Eastern? They don't look Mongol influenced

In Turkey,Eastern turkish people look armenid.So armenid is eastern for him or us

[Cumansky]

Most look non Semitic, Armenids are Semitic influenced

They just look as majority North Iranic. Boundaries of those people is cover more territory than modern borders of Iran. They are Scythians with low Pazyryk (Mongol) influence

[CaucasianTurk]

bump

[itilvolga]

lazs are most depigmented nation in turkey, even lighter than pomaks %28-35 of laz population is blonde,blue eyed or green eyed.
but not,lazs are assimilated by turks,there is no laz in eastern blacksea today they're all speak turkish and lazs most turkish nationalist people in turkey
laz population 40.000-70.000 in turkey.


Seems like you know almost nothing about them. They are not assimilated at all, most of them who are +80 years old don’t know how to speak Turkish, all of them know their own language except those who was born and raised in metropolises.
There’s no laz in Eastern Blacksea? Are you kidding, East of Rize (Fındıklı, Ardeşen, Pazar and Çamlıhemşin) and North of Artvin (Arhavi, Hopa (Hemshin and Laz are most likely equal), Kemalpaşa, Sarp) are predominately Laz.

Also blond hair and blue eyes are not that common among them, almost rare. Most of them are pale with medium brown hair and hazel eyes.

[Mejgusu]

I know many Lazes, maybe not every Laz are blond, but they look different to ethnic Turks.At least many of them.

[Mejgusu]

And it is good to know, that many non-Lazes, especially blacksea turks describes themselves as Laz, just because the live there.

[mergen3]

Nur Fettahoğlu Laz değil Arnavut

Redmi Note 7 cihazımdan Tapatalk kullanılarak gönderildi

[Reis-i Cumhur]

And it is good to know, that many non-Lazes, especially blacksea turks describes themselves as Laz, just because the live there.

But they are turkish nationalists and proud of Turkish Republic that is why i like them

[Sora]

As far as I know;

Laz are Southern Caucasian people native to Eastern Black Sea. Rize & Artvin(coastal part) are mainly Laz.

Also Laz people look depigmented Armenoid to me, they have more light hair & eyes than Turks but also hook nose

[Mejgusu]

But they are turkish nationalists and proud of Turkish Republic that is why i like them

Yes thats true. I also like them, they are more patriots than many Turks.

[Mejgusu]

But they are turkish nationalists and proud of Turkish Republic that is why i like them

Yes thats true. I also like them, they are more patriots than many Turks.

[Cumansky]

Wtf, I look again photos this one look like my sibling 97476

You know Old Great Bulgaria was where the Laz living now. I look again some have Armenid some don't

[Kyp]

Lightest group in Turkey I think.

[CaucasianTurk]

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[Frowning Man]

Actually it's around 30%-35%, majority of Lazes have dark eyes, Lazes also have one of the most Eastern faces, despite relatively light pigmentation.

They have overall Kavkaz looks, similar to Chechens.


It seems to me that most Lazes will not resemble Chechens, but Western and North-Eastern Georgians. More precisely, Mingrelians, Gurians, Imeretians, Svans, Adjarians. Khevsurs, Tushins, Mokhevs, Gudamakars, Mtiuls, Pshavs.
I think Lazes are mostly mtebids and pontids.

Most of all they will be similar to their closest relatives in language, Megrelov.

Do they have 30-35% light eyes? Then on this basis they will be almost equal to Mingrelians, Imeretians and Gurians.

[black hole]

Chechens have ANE ancestry while georgians are MENA natufians. Not comparable

[Frowning Man]

Chechens have ANE ancestry while georgians are MENA natufians. Not comparable

Funny
Laughed good)
What should I compare?)

If MENA are Georgians, then so are Chechens. It's 100%
The Chechens themselves have legends and traditions that they migrated from the Middle East to the Caucasus. Somewhere from the territories of Syria or Mesopotamia.

The Chechens' origins are absolutely no older than the Georgians.

[Jana]

Chechens have ANE ancestry while georgians are MENA natufians. Not comparable

Even Armenians and Kurds have tons of ANE admixture, let alone Georgians. All Caucasians are pretty similar with difference Georgians are purer west Asian while Chechens have higher steppe and Turko-Mongol admixture.

[black hole]

Funny
Laughed good)
What should I compare?)

If MENA are Georgians, then so are Chechens. It's 100%
The Chechens themselves have legends and traditions that they migrated from the Middle East to the Caucasus. Somewhere from the territories of Syria or Mesopotamia.

The Chechens' origins are absolutely no older than the Georgians.




Whats so funny? Chechens are mixed with CroMagnoid and Taurid ancient population. Georgians are truly MENA people surrounded by armenoids.

[black hole]

Even Armenians and Kurds have tons of ANE admixture, let alone Georgians. All Caucasians are pretty similar with difference Georgians are purer west Asian while Chechens have higher steppe and Turko-Mongol admixture.



They have very low percentage of ANE ancestry. North Caucasians in general have a significant part.

[Kyp]

They have very low percentage of ANE ancestry. North Caucasians in general have a significant part.

They don't have much lower than North Caucasians . Especially Iranic groups like Kurds have a lot. Also ANE is not some kind of nordic. It's a very ancient component.

[black hole]

They don't have much lower than North Caucasians. Also ANE is not some kind of nordic.



Who said it is nordic? It is North Asian

[Kyp]

Who said it is nordic? It is North Asian

Iranic groups like Kurds/Persians have close to North Caucasia. It's a component that predates any white/swarty seperation. And probably only is related to straight hair.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/be/c2/cb/bec2cb8e8a345e1968b85e7bf2411458.jpg

[Jana]

They have very low percentage of ANE ancestry. North Caucasians in general have a significant part.

Not true. Caucasians (inc. Georgians) have higher ANE than majority of Europeans, it's also high in groups like Iranians and north Indians/Pakistanis.
Ofcourse also in Finno-Ugric minorities of Russia. Not really a "white" admixture if that's what you think.

[black hole]

https://vividmaps.com/dominant-y-dna-haplogroups-in-europe/

[Frowning Man]

Chechens have ANE ancestry while georgians are MENA natufians. Not comparable

If you seriously want to. Bro, I've been living in Russia since childhood. I live in a region where there are a lot of Chechens, Dagestanis, Ossetians. I have a lot of friends from the North Caucasus. There are many of them in my institute where I study. I know perfectly well how they look.
And often they look different from the photographs that are posted here.

Chechens have no less Armenoid influence than Georgians.
Among Chechens, light are mainly South Chechens = Mountain Chechens. Plains are darker.

And you only know Georgians from the South-East (Regions of Tbilisi, Kakheti and Javakheti and a little from the west of the Adjarians), it is them that are most in Russia. And it is they who have more Armenoid influence.

Western Georgians (Mingrelians, Imeretians, Gurians, Svans, Rachintsy) and Northeastern Georgians (Khevsurs, Mokhevtsy, Tushins, Pshavs, Mtiulians, Gudamakars) have a different appearance from Eastern Georgians. Western Georgians are the majority among Georgians. They have a much higher percentage of light. Especially among Mingrelians.
The total percentage of light eyes and hair of Georgians is definitely not less than that of Chechens. It's just that the light ones are not evenly distributed in the country.

[Sora]

Whats so funny? Chechens are mixed with CroMagnoid and Taurid ancient population. Georgians are truly MENA people surrounded by armenoids.

These 3 sisters don't agree with you :D

https://img-s2.onedio.com/id-5b44f2fd12a8a8df16f15fed/rev-0/raw/s-e0cacb7a3451c6e4b498e81f1759261fceb59a8a.jpg

They're Georgians from Turkey. Also Georgians are lightest of all West Asian groups and has nothing to do with MENA(Southwest Asia). I can show you many examples of Euro looking and even light haired-eyed Georgians. They may be not too much but at least 30%-40%.

https://scontent.fist10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16387159_1247734588655176_7725311464615153916_n.pn g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=2d5d41&_nc_ohc=mbo2CeWpN-cAX9VtRJT&_nc_ht=scontent.fist10-1.fna&oh=b4396d133f01f9200c1b6ecb06c572e3&oe=5F6325E3

https://pp.userapi.com/c11427/u26076829/139406002/y_6f75527f.jpg

https://www.georgianjournal.ge/images/georgianews/2017/February/Culture/tornike%20gogrichiani-1.jpg

https://www.mytravelaffairs.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/IMG_8948.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Actress_Elena_Satine_%28cropped_-_Medium_shot%29.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtCDeMMWsAEXJvC.jpg

[black hole]

If you seriously want to. Bro, I've been living in Russia since childhood. I live in a region where there are a lot of Chechens, Dagestanis, Ossetians. I have a lot of friends from the North Caucasus. There are many of them in my institute where I study. I know perfectly well how they look.
And often they look different from the photographs that are posted here.

Chechens have no less Armenoid influence than Georgians.
Among Chechens, light are mainly South Chechens = Mountain Chechens. Plains are darker.

And you only know Georgians from the South-East (Regions of Tbilisi, Kakheti and Javakheti and a little from the west of the Adjarians), it is them that are most in Russia. And it is they who have more Armenoid influence.

Western Georgians (Mingrelians, Imeretians, Gurians, Svans, Rachintsy) and Northeastern Georgians (Khevsurs, Mokhevtsy, Tushins, Pshavs, Mtiulians, Gudamakars) have a different appearance from Eastern Georgians. Western Georgians are the majority among Georgians. They have a much higher percentage of light. Especially among Mingrelians.
The total percentage of light eyes and hair of Georgians is definitely not less than that of Chechens. It's just that the light ones are not evenly distributed in the country.





Modern times the regions are mixed, you can barely see a pure phenotype in any place of Caucasus, including Georgia and Chechnya. The main phenotype is Mtebid/Kavkazid among Chechens and northern Georgian subgroups inhabited in the Greater Caucasus Mountain Range.


https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/642745

http://www.karachays.com/publ/65-1-0-210

[Frowning Man]

Modern times the regions are mixed, you can barely see a pure phenotype in any place of Caucasus, including Georgia and Chechnya. The main phenotype is Mtebid/Kavkazid among Chechens and northern Georgian subgroups inhabited in the Greater Caucasus Mountain Range.


https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/642745

http://www.karachays.com/publ/65-1-0-210

It's clear that now we are all mixed. But there are less mixed, and there are more mixed.

All these anthropological studies of the Caucasus are complete nonsense.

Among the Chechens, from how many I saw, and I saw a lot of them. They have 30-40% of mtebids, the remaining 70-60% are other anthrotypes. The same is true for any other Caucasian people, including Georgians, mtebids, 30-40% each.

I myself am based on Mtebids, although according to these anthropological studies I should have a pontid. Since I am Mingrelian. And 90% of my family is mtebida. In Georgia, the anthrotype is mtebid not only among northern Georgians, mtebid among a much larger population. Since a very large percentage of Georgians are immigrants from mountainous Georgia and western Georgia who settled in lowland Georgia when Georgians were massacred from the plains.

What does the anthrotype of mtebid have to do with it? What does he even show in our dispute?

In Georgia, the mtebids are far from the lightest. The lightest in Georgia are the Western Georgians Mingrelians, Imeretians, Gurians. They are at the heart of the pontids, mtebids and a mix of mtebido and pontids. They have no less light ones than the northern Georgians, and maybe more.