Yamnaya Culture and Corded Ware Culture

[Kmakkmak]

Yamnaya Culture have no R1a but Corded Ware Culture is R1a rich.

Yamnaya Culture and Corded Ware Culture different paternal origin. How Corded Ware Culture descended from Yamnaya Culture?

What explain it?

[Immanenz]

Because there was eventually a split up in the Yamnaya culture, some moving northwestwards to create the Bell Beaker, others to Northeast to create the Corded, autosomal Yamnaya and Corded are still extremly similar- more similar than to Bell Beaker, despite same haplogroup.
Its likely that those more northeastern EHG individuals had more r1a, that would explain the change though

[Imperator Biff]

They have a common eneolithic steppe affinity probably in Sredni Stog or Volosovo.

[Kmakkmak]

Because there was eventually a split up in the Yamnaya culture, some moving northwestwards to create the Bell Beaker, others to Northeast to create the Corded, autosomal Yamnaya and Corded are still extremly similar- more similar than to Bell Beaker, despite same haplogroup.
Its likely that those more northeastern EHG individuals had more r1a, that would explain the change though

Various language is kin of each other which was spoken by Eastern-Hunter-Gatherers produce Early-Proto-Indo-European?

[Immanenz]

Various language is kin of each other which was spoken by Eastern-Hunter-Gatherers produce Early-Proto-Indo-European?

It is not 100 % clear which culture exactly is the origin for the Early Proto Indo European, as there is a theory that CHG individuals near Iranic plateu were the original substrat. Sure is that Yamnaya spoke it, which were a mix of EHG and CHG.

[Kmakkmak]

It is not 100 % clear which culture exactly is the origin for the Early Proto Indo European, as there is a theory that CHG individuals near Iranic plateu were the original substrat. Sure is that Yamnaya spoke it, which were a mix of EHG and CHG.

Anthony also suggests that the proto-Indo-European language formed mainly from a base of languages spoken by Eastern European hunter-gathers with influences from languages of northern Caucasus hunter-gatherers, in addition to a possible later influence from the language of the Maikop culture to the south (which is hypothesized to have belonged to the North Caucasian family) in the later neolithic or bronze age involving little genetic impact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

[Immanenz]

Anthony also suggests that the proto-Indo-European language formed mainly from a base of languages spoken by Eastern European hunter-gathers with influences from languages of northern Caucasus hunter-gatherers, in addition to a possible later influence from the language of the Maikop culture to the south (which is hypothesized to have belonged to the North Caucasian family) in the later neolithic or bronze age involving little genetic impact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans


this is very likely yes, but we dont know fo sure.

[Kmakkmak]

this is very likely yes, but we dont know fo sure.

Anthony supported I read above. It is very plausible.

[Kmakkmak]

It is not 100 % clear which culture exactly is the origin for the Early Proto Indo European, as there is a theory that CHG individuals near Iranic plateu were the original substrat. Sure is that Yamnaya spoke it, which were a mix of EHG and CHG.

I think that CHG admixture is after formation of Early-Proto-Indo-European.

[Immanenz]

I think that CHG admixture is after formation of Early-Proto-Indo-European.

Well, i think is assumption, but saying " EHG" spoke Early Proto Indo European is very vague, because EHG stretched from very Northeasteurope to the Steppe.
Dnieper–Donets culture and Sredny Stog were both pred. EHG for example etc.

[Kmakkmak]

They have a common eneolithic steppe affinity probably in Sredni Stog or Volosovo.

R1a is from Sredny Stog culture and Khvalynsk culture is plausible.

[Kmakkmak]

Well, i think is assumption, but saying " EHG" spoke Early Proto Indo European is very vague, because EHG stretched from very Northeasteurope to the Steppe.
Dnieper–Donets culture and Sredny Stog were both pred. EHG for example etc.

such as Khvalynsk culture is far from steppe.