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Dalmatian Croat from Šibenik-Knin county. R1a-Z280 (R-Y2608) haplogroup.
Croat_Dalmatia_Šibenik-Knin,29.29,30.71,14.5,10.85,14.09,0,0.17,0,0.39,0, 0,0,0
Distance to: Croat_Dalmatia_Šibenik-Knin
4.41718236 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
4.66856509 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
4.79992708 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
4.83048652 Hungarian_Szekely
4.83920448 Croat_B&H
4.89022494 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.00651575 Croat
5.03802541 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
5.05535360 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
5.07759786 Bosniak
5.15785808 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
5.17637904 Croat_Croatia
5.21027830 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.27469430 Serb_Croatia
5.30808817 Croat_Slavonia
5.30948208 Hungarian_Csango
5.47549998 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.49870894 Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner
5.52175902 Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.60709372 Serb_B&H
5.81862527 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.83180075 Moldova_North
5.83753373 Hungarian
5.87666572 Hungarian_Alfold
5.91226691 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
Target: Croat_Dalmatia_Šibenik-Knin
Distance: 2.2118% / 2.21182550 | ADC: 0.25x
48.0 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
22.8 Bulgarian_Burgas
16.6 Croat_Slavonia
6.8 Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner
5.8 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
My father updated :) I2-din (I-A5913)
Stearsolina_Father(Dalmatia+Bosnia+Banija+Žumberak ),28.42,31.99,15.48,8.37,12.10,0,0,1.59,0.53,1,0,0 .37,0.16
Distance to: Stearsolina_Father(Dalmatia+Bosnia+Banija+Žumberak ). Super tight fit with general Croat average!
2.64686607 Croat
2.78574945 Croat_Croatia
3.00935209 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
3.19128501 Hungarian_Alfold
3.22899365 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
3.43129713 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
3.50109983 Croat_Slavonia
3.56393041 Croat_B&H
3.60272119 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
3.74714558 Hungarian
3.82510131 Moldova_North
3.86860440 Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner
3.91723116 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
3.98126864 Hungarian_Csango
4.01706360 Hungarian_Transylvania
4.32868340 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
4.38956718 Hungarian_Budapest
4.52812323 Hungarian_Szekely
4.56132656 Bosniak
4.81315905 Hungarian_Transdanubia
4.88577145 Bosniak_Sarajevo
4.89438454 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
4.99282485 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
5.21770064 Serb_B&H
5.39222589 Slovenian
Target: Stearsolina_Father(Dalmatia+Bosnia+Banija+Žumberak )
Distance: 1.7743% / 1.77434448 | ADC: 0.25x
30.4 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
25.8 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
17.0 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
16.2 Hungarian_Alfold
9.8 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
0.8 Dai
Insuperable, will you post you K13 results, please ? :)
Croat fully from Lika, from place Podlapača on legendary Krbava field (where Croatian Kingdom was defeated by Ottoman Empire) near Udbina.
What is interesting is that this place is Croatian Čakavian enclave (dialect spoken before the Ottomans), which could explain this lady's highly Slavic results.
https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podlapa%C4%8Da
Distance to: Croat_Lika_Podlapača
3.80009210 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
4.22996454 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
5.14803846 Moldova_North
5.40021296 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
5.41104426 Croat_Slavonia
5.48501595 Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner
5.63620440 Croat
5.78443601 Croat_Croatia
5.81612414 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
5.94818460 Croat_B&H
6.23563950 Hungarian_Alfold
6.23723496 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
6.45279009 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.56486862 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.75002222 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.97159064 Bosniak_Sarajevo
7.34250638 Bosniak
7.42961641 Slovenian
7.60777234 Hungarian
7.65873535 Slovak
7.76459271 Hungarian_Northern
7.78428545 Serb_B&H
8.29729474 Romania_Maramures
8.31400024 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
8.33926256 Serb_B&H_Krajina
Target: Croat_Lika_Podlapača
Distance: 1.9530% / 1.95303884 | ADC: 0.25x
82.8 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
6.8 Bulgarian_Northwest
6.2 Ukrainian_Lviv
4.2 Sardinian
Original K13 results
1 Baltic 37.09
2 North_Atlantic 25.35
3 West_Med 16.92
4 East_Med 11.28
5 West_Asian 6.31
6 Red_Sea 1.57
7 Siberian 0.92
8 Sub-Saharan 0.3
9 East_Asian 0.16
10 Northeast_African 0.1
Single Population Sharing:
1 Croatian 3.84
2 Moldavian 5.11
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.41
4 Hungarian 8.83
5 Ukrainian 9.17
6 South_Polish 9.45
7 Serbian 10.01
8 East_German 12.31
9 Polish 12.4
10 Austrian 12.64
11 Southwest_Russian 12.84
12 Romanian 13.34
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.42
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.31
15 Estonian_Polish 14.57
16 Bulgarian 15.01
17 Belorussian 15.38
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.97
19 Erzya 18.67
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.69
Her results are similar to Croat from Brinje (also in Lika) Commonsense found, but that one was part Slavonian while this one is fully from Lika. Interestingly colonised to Slavonia in 1930s.
Correction!
This person is fully from west Herzegovina. Her parents first moved to Podlapača, and than to Slavonia. Hrvoje talked to their account menager and he didn't understand corectly what she said.
Apprently both parents of this woman are from Posušje. LOL! I would never guess that obviously. Rusyn/White Croat shifted results in most Balkan region inhabited by Croats where they are swarhiest.
Interesting how another sample from Posušje we have, of user Westcoast is also highly Slavic (35 Baltic) but still more southern than this woman.
Incredibly suprising to see such results in west Herzegovina. They actually seem one of more Slav Croat regions despite their look.
In comparison I now would guess my both parents Dalmatian side is much more pre-Slavic/Illyrian.
She is also close to Max Soldo results.
An unusual case - a Russian girl speaking fluent Serbian and even running a Youtube channel entirely in Serbian, although she doesn't even live in Serbia. But she seems to love the culture.
Facebook (https://facebook.com/elena.sergey.58)
https://youtu.be/gKfPogtdlW4
Her results (she says she's from Moscow, no further details)
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 47.25
2 North_Atlantic 23.95
3 West_Med 8.16
4 East_Med 6.7
5 West_Asian 5.13
6 Siberian 2.77
7 Red_Sea 1.99
8 Sub-Saharan 1.73
9 South_Asian 1.11
10 Northeast_African 0.61
11 Amerindian 0.38
12 Oceanian 0.23
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 3.3
2 Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.67
3 Estonian_Polish 5.04
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.43
5 Belorussian 5.95
6 Ukrainian 6.73
7 Kargopol_Russian 6.93
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.38
9 Polish 7.39
10 Erzya 7.82
11 South_Polish 8.55
12 Lithuanian 9.13
13 Estonian 10.62
14 East_Finnish 11.39
15 Finnish 12.02
16 Croatian 12.65
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.55
18 Moldavian 14.73
19 Hungarian 16.79
20 East_German 18.94
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.64
2 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Luhya @ 2.64
3 98.1% Southwest_Russian + 1.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.64
4 98.2% Southwest_Russian + 1.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.65
5 98.3% Southwest_Russian + 1.7% Mandenka @ 2.65
6 98.2% Southwest_Russian + 1.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 2.65
7 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.66
8 98.4% Southwest_Russian + 1.6% Yoruban @ 2.67
9 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% San @ 2.71
10 97.8% Southwest_Russian + 2.2% Sandawe @ 2.78
11 97.9% Southwest_Russian + 2.1% Maasai @ 2.82
12 98.2% Southwest_Russian + 1.8% Sudanese @ 2.85
13 98.3% Southwest_Russian + 1.7% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.89
14 97.2% Southwest_Russian + 2.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.94
15 98.3% Southwest_Russian + 1.7% Hadza @ 2.94
16 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.94
17 97.3% Southwest_Russian + 2.7% Tunisian @ 2.95
18 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.96
19 97.3% Southwest_Russian + 2.7% Algerian @ 2.96
20 97.3% Southwest_Russian + 2.7% Moroccan @ 2.96
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.92
2 Eastern_Euro 22.62
3 Atlantic 15.96
4 North_Sea 14.99
5 East_Med 4.34
6 West_Med 3.75
7 West_Asian 2.75
8 Sub-Saharan 2
9 Red_Sea 1.5
10 Siberian 1.22
11 South_Asian 0.71
12 Oceanian 0.14
13 Amerindian 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 4.61
2 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.07
3 Russian_Smolensk 5.17
4 Estonian_Polish 5.27
5 Belorussian 5.67
6 Polish 7.87
7 Lithuanian 8.54
8 South_Polish 8.64
9 Kargopol_Russian 8.67
10 Ukrainian 9.06
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.68
12 Erzya 9.75
13 Estonian 11.17
14 Croatian 12
15 East_Finnish 13.83
16 Moldavian 13.83
17 Hungarian 15.9
18 Finnish 15.93
19 Austrian 16.44
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.86
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93% Estonian_Polish + 7% Jordanian @ 3.69
2 93.2% Estonian_Polish + 6.8% Palestinian @ 3.72
3 93.2% Estonian_Polish + 6.8% Egyptian @ 3.72
4 93.5% Estonian_Polish + 6.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.73
5 93.1% Estonian_Polish + 6.9% Bedouin @ 3.74
6 93.4% Estonian_Polish + 6.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.74
7 93.6% Estonian_Polish + 6.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.78
8 93% Estonian_Polish + 7% Syrian @ 3.79
9 93.7% Estonian_Polish + 6.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.79
10 94.4% Estonian_Polish + 5.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.8
11 93.6% Estonian_Polish + 6.4% Samaritan @ 3.81
12 93.1% Estonian_Polish + 6.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.82
13 93.5% Estonian_Polish + 6.5% Assyrian @ 3.88
14 93.2% Estonian_Polish + 6.8% Iranian @ 3.91
15 93.1% Estonian_Polish + 6.9% Cyprian @ 3.91
16 95% Southwest_Russian + 5% Tunisian @ 3.93
17 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Yoruban @ 3.94
18 97.9% Southwest_Russian + 2.1% Mandenka @ 3.94
19 94.4% Estonian_Polish + 5.6% Saudi @ 3.94
20 97.9% Southwest_Russian + 2.1% Bantu_S.W. @ 3.96
Gedrosia 4.24 Pct
Siberian 2.45 Pct
Northwest_African 0.70 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.65 Pct
Atlantic_Med 20.66 Pct
North_European 56.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.50 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.95 Pct
East_Asian 1.19 Pct
Caucasus 9.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.45 Pct
Distance to: Aljona
3.51955963 Rus_Smolensk
3.59481571 Southwest_Rus
3.82314007 Rus_Kostroma
4.22570704 Ukrainian
4.37488286 Belorussian
4.62018398 Rus_Tver
4.81328370 PL_Mazovia
6.44464118 PL_GreaterPoland
6.48224498 PL_Warmia-Masuria
7.47402168 Sorb_Lusatia
Target: Aljona
Distance: 2.1107% / 2.11070282 | ADC: 0.5x
70.4 Southwest_Rus
28.2 Ukrainian
0.6 Saudis
0.4 Moroccans
0.2 CHD30
0.2 Ethiopians
Target: Aljona
Distance: 1.1073% / 1.10727156 | ADC: 0.25x
78.0 Southwest_Rus
12.6 PL_Warmia-Masuria
6.0 Ukrainian
1.4 Saudis
0.8 Chinese
0.8 Moroccans
0.4 Ethiopians
CommonSense
09-15-2020, 06:48 PM
An unusual case - a Russian girl speaking fluent Serbian and even running a Youtube channel entirely in Serbian, although she doesn't even live in Serbia. But she seems to love the culture.
Facebook (https://facebook.com/elena.sergey.58)
https://youtu.be/gKfPogtdlW4
Her results (she says she's from Moscow, no further details)
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 47.25
2 North_Atlantic 23.95
3 West_Med 8.16
4 East_Med 6.7
5 West_Asian 5.13
6 Siberian 2.77
7 Red_Sea 1.99
8 Sub-Saharan 1.73
9 South_Asian 1.11
10 Northeast_African 0.61
11 Amerindian 0.38
12 Oceanian 0.23
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 3.3
2 Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.67
3 Estonian_Polish 5.04
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.43
5 Belorussian 5.95
6 Ukrainian 6.73
7 Kargopol_Russian 6.93
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.38
9 Polish 7.39
10 Erzya 7.82
11 South_Polish 8.55
12 Lithuanian 9.13
13 Estonian 10.62
14 East_Finnish 11.39
15 Finnish 12.02
16 Croatian 12.65
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.55
18 Moldavian 14.73
19 Hungarian 16.79
20 East_German 18.94
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.64
2 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Luhya @ 2.64
3 98.1% Southwest_Russian + 1.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.64
4 98.2% Southwest_Russian + 1.8% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.65
5 98.3% Southwest_Russian + 1.7% Mandenka @ 2.65
6 98.2% Southwest_Russian + 1.8% Bantu_S.W. @ 2.65
7 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.66
8 98.4% Southwest_Russian + 1.6% Yoruban @ 2.67
9 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% San @ 2.71
10 97.8% Southwest_Russian + 2.2% Sandawe @ 2.78
11 97.9% Southwest_Russian + 2.1% Maasai @ 2.82
12 98.2% Southwest_Russian + 1.8% Sudanese @ 2.85
13 98.3% Southwest_Russian + 1.7% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.89
14 97.2% Southwest_Russian + 2.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.94
15 98.3% Southwest_Russian + 1.7% Hadza @ 2.94
16 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.94
17 97.3% Southwest_Russian + 2.7% Tunisian @ 2.95
18 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.96
19 97.3% Southwest_Russian + 2.7% Algerian @ 2.96
20 97.3% Southwest_Russian + 2.7% Moroccan @ 2.96
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.92
2 Eastern_Euro 22.62
3 Atlantic 15.96
4 North_Sea 14.99
5 East_Med 4.34
6 West_Med 3.75
7 West_Asian 2.75
8 Sub-Saharan 2
9 Red_Sea 1.5
10 Siberian 1.22
11 South_Asian 0.71
12 Oceanian 0.14
13 Amerindian 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 4.61
2 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.07
3 Russian_Smolensk 5.17
4 Estonian_Polish 5.27
5 Belorussian 5.67
6 Polish 7.87
7 Lithuanian 8.54
8 South_Polish 8.64
9 Kargopol_Russian 8.67
10 Ukrainian 9.06
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.68
12 Erzya 9.75
13 Estonian 11.17
14 Croatian 12
15 East_Finnish 13.83
16 Moldavian 13.83
17 Hungarian 15.9
18 Finnish 15.93
19 Austrian 16.44
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.86
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93% Estonian_Polish + 7% Jordanian @ 3.69
2 93.2% Estonian_Polish + 6.8% Palestinian @ 3.72
3 93.2% Estonian_Polish + 6.8% Egyptian @ 3.72
4 93.5% Estonian_Polish + 6.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.73
5 93.1% Estonian_Polish + 6.9% Bedouin @ 3.74
6 93.4% Estonian_Polish + 6.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.74
7 93.6% Estonian_Polish + 6.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.78
8 93% Estonian_Polish + 7% Syrian @ 3.79
9 93.7% Estonian_Polish + 6.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.79
10 94.4% Estonian_Polish + 5.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.8
11 93.6% Estonian_Polish + 6.4% Samaritan @ 3.81
12 93.1% Estonian_Polish + 6.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.82
13 93.5% Estonian_Polish + 6.5% Assyrian @ 3.88
14 93.2% Estonian_Polish + 6.8% Iranian @ 3.91
15 93.1% Estonian_Polish + 6.9% Cyprian @ 3.91
16 95% Southwest_Russian + 5% Tunisian @ 3.93
17 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Yoruban @ 3.94
18 97.9% Southwest_Russian + 2.1% Mandenka @ 3.94
19 94.4% Estonian_Polish + 5.6% Saudi @ 3.94
20 97.9% Southwest_Russian + 2.1% Bantu_S.W. @ 3.96
Gedrosia 4.24 Pct
Siberian 2.45 Pct
Northwest_African 0.70 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.65 Pct
Atlantic_Med 20.66 Pct
North_European 56.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.50 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.95 Pct
East_Asian 1.19 Pct
Caucasus 9.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.45 Pct
Distance to: Aljona
3.51955963 Rus_Smolensk
3.59481571 Southwest_Rus
3.82314007 Rus_Kostroma
4.22570704 Ukrainian
4.37488286 Belorussian
4.62018398 Rus_Tver
4.81328370 PL_Mazovia
6.44464118 PL_GreaterPoland
6.48224498 PL_Warmia-Masuria
7.47402168 Sorb_Lusatia
Target: Aljona
Distance: 2.1107% / 2.11070282 | ADC: 0.5x
70.4 Southwest_Rus
28.2 Ukrainian
0.6 Saudis
0.4 Moroccans
0.2 CHD30
0.2 Ethiopians
Target: Aljona
Distance: 1.1073% / 1.10727156 | ADC: 0.25x
78.0 Southwest_Rus
12.6 PL_Warmia-Masuria
6.0 Ukrainian
1.4 Saudis
0.8 Chinese
0.8 Moroccans
0.4 Ethiopians
What an unusual case :D How did you even find out about her or her dna results?
Bosniensis
09-15-2020, 07:02 PM
I've seen so many s.slavic gedmatches, the next one will make me throw up
Varda
09-17-2020, 05:53 PM
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Varda
09-17-2020, 05:56 PM
Serb, surname Veljković 102258
CommonSense
09-19-2020, 12:56 PM
Thanks to vbnetkhio I managed to find the results of a person with quite an interesting background.
The woman in question is the daughter of none other than Slobodan Penezić Krcun! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Penezi%C4%87) Her mother, Krcun's wife, although born in Sarajevo, is by descent a Croat from the islands of Dalmatia:
Kit SQ3666529
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.29
2 Baltic 27.71
3 East_Med 16.99
4 West_Med 14.61
5 West_Asian 7.01
6 Red_Sea 1.72
7 Siberian 1.3
8 Oceanian 0.36
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.97
2 Hungarian 7.34
3 Romanian 7.42
4 Moldavian 9.62
5 Austrian 9.89
6 Bulgarian 10.03
7 Croatian 10.37
8 East_German 11.79
9 West_German 14.19
10 South_Dutch 15.75
11 French 15.94
12 South_Polish 16.08
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.47
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.36
15 North_Italian 17.49
16 Ukrainian 17.49
17 North_German 18.76
18 Tuscan 19.32
19 Portuguese 19.56
20 Polish 19.88
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Hungarian + 17.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.51
2 79% Hungarian + 21% Ashkenazi @ 2.59
3 82.9% Hungarian + 17.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.78
4 82.9% Hungarian + 17.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.89
5 84.4% Hungarian + 15.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.99
6 77.8% Hungarian + 22.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.04
7 54.3% Tuscan + 45.7% Belorussian @ 3.1
8 89.5% Serbian + 10.5% Southeast_English @ 3.13
9 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Danish @ 3.17
10 84.7% Hungarian + 15.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.18
11 90.1% Serbian + 9.9% North_Dutch @ 3.21
12 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Norwegian @ 3.21
13 80.9% Hungarian + 19.1% South_Italian @ 3.22
14 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Orcadian @ 3.23
15 72.1% Hungarian + 27.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.24
16 79.1% Hungarian + 20.9% East_Sicilian @ 3.25
17 57.7% Tuscan + 42.3% Estonian @ 3.25
18 90.4% Serbian + 9.6% Swedish @ 3.26
19 89.1% Serbian + 10.9% North_German @ 3.26
20 85.9% Serbian + 14.1% West_German @ 3.26
Do you guys need this Croatian kit? Partially from Zadar county
Kit Number: WQ6386976
North_Atlantic 29.89 Pct
Baltic 31.61 Pct
West_Med 18.81 Pct
West_Asian 8.21 Pct
East_Med 9.33 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.11 Pct
Siberian 1.03 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: ~
5.15828460 Hungarian_Budapest
5.17778910 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
5.25966729 Hungarian
5.29328820 Hungarian_Alfold
5.31068734 Croat_Croatia
5.46030219 Croat
5.59102853 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.61103377 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.82182961 Slovenian
6.14239367 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.45102317 Hungarian_Csango
6.51131323 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
6.52962480 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.53169197 Moldova_North
6.57057836 Croat_Slavonia
6.65836316 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.67025487 Hungarian_Szekely
6.78030235 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.90566434 Croat_B&H
6.96060342 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
Target: ~
Distance: 2.7343% / 2.73431652 | ADC: 0.25x
42.8 Moldova_North
33.8 Slovenian
10.2 Serb_B&H_Krajina
8.6 French_Basque
3.6 Ukrainian
1.0 Sardinian
Target: ~
Distance: 1.3148% / 1.31484498
27.6 South_Polish
23.6 Ukrainian
16.4 French_Basque
11.6 Macedonian_Greece
6.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
5.2 Latvian
4.8 Sardinian
1.6 North_Ossetian
1.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
0.8 Abhkasian
Oddly enough there is no Croatian in the oracle whatsoever.
Gedrosia 3.56 Pct
Siberian 1.20 Pct
Northwest_African 0.95 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.44 Pct
North_European 43.86 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 21.10 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: ~
4.25666536 Croat
5.13295237 Bosnian
5.52478054 MD_North
6.29639579 Slovenian
6.67354479 Serb
7.13111492 HUN_Szekely
7.27316300 Hungarians
7.71272974 MD_Center
9.87020770 Montenegrin
10.72906799 Slovak
Target: ~
Distance: 2.2576% / 2.25761231
52.4 PL_Mazovia
15.8 Sardinian
11.4 Bulgarians
10.4 Lithuanian
10.0 North_Ossetians
vbnetkhio
09-19-2020, 03:46 PM
Do you guys need this Croatian kit? Partially from Zadar county
Kit Number: WQ6386976
North_Atlantic 29.89 Pct
Baltic 31.61 Pct
West_Med 18.81 Pct
West_Asian 8.21 Pct
East_Med 9.33 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.11 Pct
Siberian 1.03 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: ~
5.15828460 Hungarian_Budapest
5.17778910 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
5.25966729 Hungarian
5.29328820 Hungarian_Alfold
5.31068734 Croat_Croatia
5.46030219 Croat
5.59102853 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.61103377 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.82182961 Slovenian
6.14239367 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.45102317 Hungarian_Csango
6.51131323 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
6.52962480 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.53169197 Moldova_North
6.57057836 Croat_Slavonia
6.65836316 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.67025487 Hungarian_Szekely
6.78030235 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.90566434 Croat_B&H
6.96060342 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
Target: ~
Distance: 2.7343% / 2.73431652 | ADC: 0.25x
42.8 Moldova_North
33.8 Slovenian
10.2 Serb_B&H_Krajina
8.6 French_Basque
3.6 Ukrainian
1.0 Sardinian
Target: ~
Distance: 1.3148% / 1.31484498
27.6 South_Polish
23.6 Ukrainian
16.4 French_Basque
11.6 Macedonian_Greece
6.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
5.2 Latvian
4.8 Sardinian
1.6 North_Ossetian
1.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
0.8 Abhkasian
Oddly enough there is no Croatian in the oracle whatsoever.
Gedrosia 3.56 Pct
Siberian 1.20 Pct
Northwest_African 0.95 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.44 Pct
North_European 43.86 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 21.10 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: ~
4.25666536 Croat
5.13295237 Bosnian
5.52478054 MD_North
6.29639579 Slovenian
6.67354479 Serb
7.13111492 HUN_Szekely
7.27316300 Hungarians
7.71272974 MD_Center
9.87020770 Montenegrin
10.72906799 Slovak
Target: ~
Distance: 2.2576% / 2.25761231
52.4 PL_Mazovia
15.8 Sardinian
11.4 Bulgarians
10.4 Lithuanian
10.0 North_Ossetians
yes, it's a relative of the woman CommonSense just posted above.
A full Bulgarian Gypsy living in Hessen, Germany
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North_Atlantic 9.01 Pct
Baltic 7.40 Pct
West_Med 13.32 Pct
West_Asian 19.56 Pct
East_Med 19.88 Pct
Red_Sea 2.05 Pct
South_Asian 26.72 Pct
East_Asian 1.22 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.79 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: Luba
4.12629374 Balkan_Gypsy
8.64325170 Romani
20.22516255 Parsi_India
25.96100537 Turkmen
26.10462986 Turk_Edirne
26.19953244 Afghan_Tadjik
26.65282912 Iran_Bandari
26.71138896 Iran_Centraleast
26.72837444 Turk_South
26.98356537 Turk_Anatolia
Target: Luba
Distance: 2.4578% / 2.45776099 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6 Balkan_Gypsy
14.0 Parsi_India
2.2 Sardinian
0.2 Velamas
Gedrosia 16.63 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.90 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.56 Pct
North_European 11.12 Pct
South_Asian 21.20 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.50 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Caucasus 25.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Luba
4.70275451 Balkan_Gypsy
19.05327793 Parsi_India
20.89649253 Tajik_Herat
20.93037745 Iran_Khorasan
22.45055679 Turkmen_Iran
23.19823485 Tajik_Kabul
23.53392233 Iranian_Fars
23.58517543 Turk_Northwest
23.64452368 Turk_Southwest
23.75812072 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
Target: Luba
Distance: 2.3029% / 2.30288800 | ADC: 0.25x
81.6 Balkan_Gypsy
6.8 Syrians
5.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
5.8 Parsi_India
Just came across this individual (female). All I know is both her grandfathers were born in Croatia. If you need the #, I'll send you in a rep comment.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 38.45
2 North_Atlantic 26.07
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 8.34
5 West_Asian 6.29
6 Siberian 1.69
7 Amerindian 1.34
8 Red_Sea 0.99
9 Northeast_African 0.55
10 East_Asian 0.31
11 Oceanian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.52
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.56
3 Moldavian 6
4 Ukrainian 6.37
5 South_Polish 7.04
6 Hungarian 8.79
7 Polish 9.69
8 Southwest_Russian 10.43
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.08
10 East_German 11.64
11 Russian_Smolensk 11.79
12 Estonian_Polish 12.08
13 Serbian 12.22
14 Austrian 12.57
15 Belorussian 13.02
16 Kargopol_Russian 14.05
17 Romanian 15.72
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.06
19 Erzya 16.14
20 Estonian 16.56
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% Southwest_Russian + 17.6% Sardinian @ 1.73
2 81.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 18.5% Sardinian @ 2.04
3 90.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 9.6% Sardinian @ 2.28
4 89% Ukrainian + 11% Sardinian @ 2.28
5 85.2% Ukrainian + 14.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.47
6 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Tuscan @ 2.51
7 81.7% Ukrainian + 18.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.54
8 86.6% Ukrainian + 13.4% South_Italian @ 2.6
9 85.6% Ukrainian + 14.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.64
10 88% Ukrainian + 12% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.65
11 85.6% Croatian + 14.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.65
12 71.7% Croatian + 28.3% Ukrainian @ 2.68
13 85.2% Ukrainian + 14.8% Central_Greek @ 2.69
14 75.1% Ukrainian + 24.9% Bulgarian @ 2.7
15 87.6% Croatian + 12.4% Erzya @ 2.7
16 72.9% Ukrainian + 27.1% Romanian @ 2.74
17 51.8% Moldavian + 48.2% Ukrainian @ 2.76
18 82.7% Ukrainian + 17.3% North_Italian @ 2.78
19 88.2% Ukrainian + 11.8% Italian_Jewish @ 2.82
20 85.1% Ukrainian + 14.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.83
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 26.19
2 Baltic 23.3
3 Eastern_Euro 16.89
4 West_Med 12.17
5 Atlantic 8.53
6 East_Med 5.39
7 West_Asian 4.56
8 Siberian 0.96
9 Amerindian 0.92
10 Red_Sea 0.73
11 Northeast_African 0.17
12 Southeast_Asian 0.13
13 Oceanian 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.28
2 Ukrainian 8.4
3 Moldavian 9.19
4 Hungarian 9.49
5 South_Polish 10.46
6 Croatian 10.7
7 Polish 12.71
8 East_German 12.93
9 Finnish 13.99
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.12
11 Southwest_Russian 14.16
12 Serbian 14.4
13 Estonian 14.58
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.78
15 Austrian 14.95
16 East_Finnish 15.12
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.31
18 Belorussian 15.61
19 Estonian_Polish 15.7
20 Kargopol_Russian 15.72
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 7.03
2 90.4% Ukrainian + 9.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 7.16
3 88.1% Ukrainian + 11.9% Ashkenazi @ 7.37
4 57.7% Ukrainian + 42.3% Moldavian @ 7.38
5 90.4% Ukrainian + 9.6% Italian_Jewish @ 7.39
6 81.5% Ukrainian + 18.5% West_German @ 7.4
7 88.6% Ukrainian + 11.4% Central_Greek @ 7.41
8 88.9% Ukrainian + 11.1% East_Sicilian @ 7.42
9 92.1% Ukrainian + 7.9% Sardinian @ 7.44
10 86.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 7.45
11 90% Ukrainian + 10% South_Italian @ 7.47
12 60.4% Ukrainian + 39.6% Hungarian @ 7.47
13 92.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 7.2% Sardinian @ 7.49
14 83.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 16.8% West_German @ 7.5
15 88% Ukrainian + 12% Tuscan @ 7.51
16 91.2% Ukrainian + 8.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 7.51
17 92.9% Ukrainian + 7.1% Samaritan @ 7.51
18 91.8% Ukrainian + 8.2% Algerian @ 7.53
19 92.2% Ukrainian + 7.8% Cyprian @ 7.53
20 93.1% Ukrainian + 6.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 7.53
Population
Gedrosia 1.99 Pct
Siberian 1.95 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.81 Pct
North_European 50.03 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.53 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.51 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.19 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Just came across this individual (female). All I know is both her grandfathers were born in Croatia. If you need the #, I'll send you in a rep comment.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 38.45
2 North_Atlantic 26.07
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 8.34
5 West_Asian 6.29
6 Siberian 1.69
7 Amerindian 1.34
8 Red_Sea 0.99
9 Northeast_African 0.55
10 East_Asian 0.31
11 Oceanian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.52
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.56
3 Moldavian 6
4 Ukrainian 6.37
5 South_Polish 7.04
6 Hungarian 8.79
7 Polish 9.69
8 Southwest_Russian 10.43
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.08
10 East_German 11.64
11 Russian_Smolensk 11.79
12 Estonian_Polish 12.08
13 Serbian 12.22
14 Austrian 12.57
15 Belorussian 13.02
16 Kargopol_Russian 14.05
17 Romanian 15.72
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.06
19 Erzya 16.14
20 Estonian 16.56
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% Southwest_Russian + 17.6% Sardinian @ 1.73
2 81.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 18.5% Sardinian @ 2.04
3 90.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 9.6% Sardinian @ 2.28
4 89% Ukrainian + 11% Sardinian @ 2.28
5 85.2% Ukrainian + 14.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.47
6 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Tuscan @ 2.51
7 81.7% Ukrainian + 18.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.54
8 86.6% Ukrainian + 13.4% South_Italian @ 2.6
9 85.6% Ukrainian + 14.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.64
10 88% Ukrainian + 12% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.65
11 85.6% Croatian + 14.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.65
12 71.7% Croatian + 28.3% Ukrainian @ 2.68
13 85.2% Ukrainian + 14.8% Central_Greek @ 2.69
14 75.1% Ukrainian + 24.9% Bulgarian @ 2.7
15 87.6% Croatian + 12.4% Erzya @ 2.7
16 72.9% Ukrainian + 27.1% Romanian @ 2.74
17 51.8% Moldavian + 48.2% Ukrainian @ 2.76
18 82.7% Ukrainian + 17.3% North_Italian @ 2.78
19 88.2% Ukrainian + 11.8% Italian_Jewish @ 2.82
20 85.1% Ukrainian + 14.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.83
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 26.19
2 Baltic 23.3
3 Eastern_Euro 16.89
4 West_Med 12.17
5 Atlantic 8.53
6 East_Med 5.39
7 West_Asian 4.56
8 Siberian 0.96
9 Amerindian 0.92
10 Red_Sea 0.73
11 Northeast_African 0.17
12 Southeast_Asian 0.13
13 Oceanian 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.28
2 Ukrainian 8.4
3 Moldavian 9.19
4 Hungarian 9.49
5 South_Polish 10.46
6 Croatian 10.7
7 Polish 12.71
8 East_German 12.93
9 Finnish 13.99
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.12
11 Southwest_Russian 14.16
12 Serbian 14.4
13 Estonian 14.58
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.78
15 Austrian 14.95
16 East_Finnish 15.12
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.31
18 Belorussian 15.61
19 Estonian_Polish 15.7
20 Kargopol_Russian 15.72
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 7.03
2 90.4% Ukrainian + 9.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 7.16
3 88.1% Ukrainian + 11.9% Ashkenazi @ 7.37
4 57.7% Ukrainian + 42.3% Moldavian @ 7.38
5 90.4% Ukrainian + 9.6% Italian_Jewish @ 7.39
6 81.5% Ukrainian + 18.5% West_German @ 7.4
7 88.6% Ukrainian + 11.4% Central_Greek @ 7.41
8 88.9% Ukrainian + 11.1% East_Sicilian @ 7.42
9 92.1% Ukrainian + 7.9% Sardinian @ 7.44
10 86.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 7.45
11 90% Ukrainian + 10% South_Italian @ 7.47
12 60.4% Ukrainian + 39.6% Hungarian @ 7.47
13 92.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 7.2% Sardinian @ 7.49
14 83.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 16.8% West_German @ 7.5
15 88% Ukrainian + 12% Tuscan @ 7.51
16 91.2% Ukrainian + 8.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 7.51
17 92.9% Ukrainian + 7.1% Samaritan @ 7.51
18 91.8% Ukrainian + 8.2% Algerian @ 7.53
19 92.2% Ukrainian + 7.8% Cyprian @ 7.53
20 93.1% Ukrainian + 6.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 7.53
Population
Gedrosia 1.99 Pct
Siberian 1.95 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 24.81 Pct
North_European 50.03 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.53 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.51 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.19 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
but you don't know her full ancestry?
I think in Dalmatian islands North Atlantic scores can be high (and relatively low Baltic) and not related with anything Germanic or Venetian but with remnents of Illyrian ancestry.
However it's still too little samples from there to paint some kind of picture.
but you don't know her full ancestry?
I don't. Do you need her number or email? I can provide you with them.
I don't. Do you need her number or email? I can provide you with them.
Thanks for info. No need, I kind of gave up from sample collection.
Thanks for info. No need, I kind of gave up from sample collection.
Maybe you need a break from TA in general 'cause previously you were more enthusiastic about Croatian results.
Maybe you need a break from TA in general 'cause previously you were more enthusiastic about Croatian results.
Yes. :)
Ion Basescul
09-26-2020, 11:54 AM
From B&H
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 29.88
2 Baltic 26.05
3 West_Med 16.94
4 East_Med 10.6
5 West_Asian 10.26
6 Red_Sea 3.51
7 South_Asian 1.62
8 Oceanian 1
9 Sub-Saharan 0.14
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.56
2 Hungarian 7.74
3 Romanian 8.42
4 Austrian 8.52
5 Moldavian 8.75
6 Croatian 10
7 East_German 10.42
8 Bulgarian 11.27
9 West_German 12.87
10 South_Dutch 14.23
11 French 14.39
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.95
13 South_Polish 16.25
14 North_Italian 17.09
15 North_German 17.48
16 Ukrainian 17.56
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.31
18 Greek_Thessaly 18.32
19 Portuguese 18.4
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.06
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% East_German + 28.7% Central_Greek @ 3.29
2 63.4% Moldavian + 36.6% French @ 3.33
3 80.4% East_German + 19.6% Cyprian @ 3.42
4 81.1% East_German + 18.9% Syrian @ 3.44
5 72.3% East_German + 27.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.46
6 70.8% Moldavian + 29.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.49
7 81% East_German + 19% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.51
8 64.7% East_German + 35.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.55
9 50.3% Romanian + 49.7% Austrian @ 3.59
10 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.6
11 72.9% Moldavian + 27.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.61
12 69.4% Moldavian + 30.6% Portuguese @ 3.62
13 71.1% Moldavian + 28.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.63
14 69.3% Moldavian + 30.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.65
15 58.1% Austrian + 41.9% Bulgarian @ 3.69
16 70% Austrian + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.7
17 72.1% Moldavian + 27.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.71
18 79.1% East_German + 20.9% Turkish @ 3.73
19 56.3% Romanian + 43.7% East_German @ 3.73
20 82.4% East_German + 17.6% Assyrian @ 3.73
vbnetkhio
09-26-2020, 08:27 PM
From B&H
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 29.88
2 Baltic 26.05
3 West_Med 16.94
4 East_Med 10.6
5 West_Asian 10.26
6 Red_Sea 3.51
7 South_Asian 1.62
8 Oceanian 1
9 Sub-Saharan 0.14
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.56
2 Hungarian 7.74
3 Romanian 8.42
4 Austrian 8.52
5 Moldavian 8.75
6 Croatian 10
7 East_German 10.42
8 Bulgarian 11.27
9 West_German 12.87
10 South_Dutch 14.23
11 French 14.39
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.95
13 South_Polish 16.25
14 North_Italian 17.09
15 North_German 17.48
16 Ukrainian 17.56
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.31
18 Greek_Thessaly 18.32
19 Portuguese 18.4
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.06
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% East_German + 28.7% Central_Greek @ 3.29
2 63.4% Moldavian + 36.6% French @ 3.33
3 80.4% East_German + 19.6% Cyprian @ 3.42
4 81.1% East_German + 18.9% Syrian @ 3.44
5 72.3% East_German + 27.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.46
6 70.8% Moldavian + 29.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.49
7 81% East_German + 19% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.51
8 64.7% East_German + 35.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.55
9 50.3% Romanian + 49.7% Austrian @ 3.59
10 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.6
11 72.9% Moldavian + 27.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.61
12 69.4% Moldavian + 30.6% Portuguese @ 3.62
13 71.1% Moldavian + 28.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.63
14 69.3% Moldavian + 30.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.65
15 58.1% Austrian + 41.9% Bulgarian @ 3.69
16 70% Austrian + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.7
17 72.1% Moldavian + 27.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.71
18 79.1% East_German + 20.9% Turkish @ 3.73
19 56.3% Romanian + 43.7% East_German @ 3.73
20 82.4% East_German + 17.6% Assyrian @ 3.73
Bosniak?
American. Maternal grandparents from Primorje-Gorski Kotar, Croatia, paternal grandparents from Ireland
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.46
2 Baltic 28.59
3 West_Med 16.88
4 East_Med 7.07
5 West_Asian 5.46
6 South_Asian 1.69
7 Siberian 1.21
8 Amerindian 1.08
9 East_Asian 0.39
10 Oceanian 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 3.76
2 East_German 4.23
3 Hungarian 7.28
4 West_German 7.96
5 South_Dutch 8.64
6 North_German 10.85
7 French 11.77
8 Croatian 11.83
9 Serbian 12.5
10 Southeast_English 12.78
11 Danish 12.91
12 Swedish 13.06
13 North_Dutch 13.14
14 Moldavian 13.24
15 Orcadian 13.73
16 North_Swedish 13.89
17 Norwegian 14.25
18 South_Polish 14.4
19 Southwest_English 14.57
20 Irish 14.93
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% East_German + 14.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.84
2 84.2% East_German + 15.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.86
3 83.4% East_German + 16.6% Southwest_French @ 1.87
4 85.8% East_German + 14.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.9
5 84% East_German + 16% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.9
6 82.6% East_German + 17.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.92
7 84.8% East_German + 15.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.93
8 84.6% East_German + 15.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.96
9 83.9% East_German + 16.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.09
10 84.7% East_German + 15.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.09
11 83.4% East_German + 16.6% Portuguese @ 2.1
12 83.2% East_German + 16.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.11
13 89.5% East_German + 10.5% French_Basque @ 2.39
14 58.4% French + 41.6% Ukrainian @ 2.39
15 76.8% East_German + 23.2% French @ 2.4
16 92.7% East_German + 7.3% Sardinian @ 2.43
17 85.9% East_German + 14.1% North_Italian @ 2.52
18 55.2% French + 44.8% South_Polish @ 2.61
19 60.1% French + 39.9% Polish @ 2.67
20 67.1% French + 32.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.72
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.26
2 Atlantic 16.24
3 Baltic 14.99
4 West_Med 13.65
5 Eastern_Euro 11.53
6 East_Med 4.32
7 West_Asian 4
8 South_Asian 1.21
9 Amerindian 0.92
10 Siberian 0.54
11 Southeast_Asian 0.34
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 7.78
2 East_German 8.25
3 Hungarian 9.68
4 South_Dutch 10.7
5 Swedish 11.58
6 Norwegian 11.65
7 North_Swedish 11.67
8 North_German 12.15
9 French 12.35
10 North_Dutch 12.74
11 Southwest_English 12.9
12 Danish 13.14
13 Austrian 13.24
14 West_Norwegian 13.68
15 Southwest_Finnish 13.87
16 Southeast_English 13.92
17 Serbian 14.2
18 Moldavian 14.59
19 Croatian 14.71
20 Irish 15.11
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.4% West_German + 28.6% Ukrainian @ 4.79
2 71.4% West_German + 28.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.98
3 81.7% West_German + 18.3% Erzya @ 5.31
4 73.6% West_German + 26.4% South_Polish @ 5.5
5 71.1% West_German + 28.9% Moldavian @ 5.51
6 80.6% North_Swedish + 19.4% Sardinian @ 5.59
7 80.4% West_German + 19.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.59
8 59.4% West_German + 40.6% Hungarian @ 5.61
9 82.3% West_German + 17.7% Lithuanian @ 5.68
10 80% West_German + 20% Southwest_Russian @ 5.7
11 80.1% West_German + 19.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.71
12 76.6% West_German + 23.4% Polish @ 5.75
13 78.6% West_German + 21.4% Estonian @ 5.75
14 80.7% West_German + 19.3% Estonian_Polish @ 5.76
15 72.6% West_German + 27.4% Croatian @ 5.87
16 81.1% West_German + 18.9% Belorussian @ 5.89
17 51.9% West_Norwegian + 48.1% Moldavian @ 5.92
18 80.3% West_German + 19.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.96
19 53.3% West_German + 46.7% East_German @ 5.99
20 78.3% West_German + 21.7% East_Finnish @ 6
MDLP K23b Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 33.24
2 European_Early_Farmers 29.93
3 Caucasian 22.58
4 Ancestral_Altaic 6.98
5 South_Central_Asian 3.13
6 Arctic 1.81
7 Near_East 0.87
8 South_East_Asian 0.6
9 Tungus-Altaic 0.47
10 Amerindian 0.38
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Belgian ( ) 3.62
2 Frisian ( ) 4.13
3 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 5.65
4 English ( ) 5.87
5 Irish ( ) 6.03
6 South_German ( ) 6.98
7 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 7.01
8 Dutch ( ) 7.09
9 North_European ( ) 7.17
10 German-Volga ( ) 7.54
11 CEU ( ) 8.28
12 British ( ) 8.3
13 Welsh ( ) 8.56
14 Norwegian_East ( ) 8.65
15 North_German ( ) 8.73
16 Swede ( ) 8.83
17 Dane ( ) 9.08
18 French ( ) 9.09
19 Norwegian_West ( ) 9.87
20 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 11.67
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.1% Belgian ( ) + 10.9% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 3.17
2 88.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11.6% Greek_Phokaia ( ) @ 3.23
3 89.4% Belgian ( ) + 10.6% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 3.26
4 81.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 18.4% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 3.27
5 87.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 12.1% Gagauz ( ) @ 3.3
6 96.6% Belgian ( ) + 3.4% Sardinian ( ) @ 3.3
7 92.4% Belgian ( ) + 7.6% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 3.31
8 89% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11% Greek_Macedonia ( ) @ 3.32
9 86.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 13.6% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 3.33
10 86.5% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 13.5% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 3.33
11 87.7% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 12.3% Central_Greek ( ) @ 3.35
12 91% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 3.36
13 85.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 14.9% Macedonian ( ) @ 3.36
14 83.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 16.4% Montenegrian ( ) @ 3.36
15 86.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 13.1% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) @ 3.38
16 93.9% Belgian ( ) + 6.1% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 3.39
17 86.5% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 13.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 3.41
18 88.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11.1% Greek ( ) @ 3.43
19 85% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 15% Bulgarian ( ) @ 3.43
20 89% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 3.43
Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions
Population
Gedrosia 6.82 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 35.94 Pct
North_European 42.03 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.35 Pct
East_Asian 1.98 Pct
Caucasus 10.19 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Hungarian from Bekes & Csanad, Southeastern Hungary
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.87
2 North_Atlantic 30.66
3 West_Med 15.79
4 East_Med 7.98
5 West_Asian 6.07
6 Siberian 2.48
7 South_Asian 1.46
8 Red_Sea 0.57
9 Oceanian 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 4.75
2 Hungarian 5.19
3 East_German 6.94
4 Moldavian 7.06
5 Austrian 7.81
6 South_Polish 7.98
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.3
8 Ukrainian 9.17
9 Serbian 10.62
10 Polish 11.51
11 Southwest_Russian 13.67
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.27
13 Russian_Smolensk 14.4
14 Romanian 14.68
15 Estonian_Polish 14.79
16 Southwest_Finnish 14.87
17 Belorussian 15.31
18 West_German 15.68
19 North_Swedish 15.68
20 South_Dutch 16.59
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% Southwest_Russian + 32.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.89
2 75.8% Ukrainian + 24.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.9
3 67% Southwest_Russian + 33% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2
4 68.7% Southwest_Russian + 31.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.03
5 66.1% Southwest_Russian + 33.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.08
6 75% Ukrainian + 25% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.16
7 74.8% Ukrainian + 25.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.16
8 75.5% Ukrainian + 24.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.17
9 74.7% Ukrainian + 25.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.17
10 73.4% Ukrainian + 26.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.17
11 65.5% Southwest_Russian + 34.5% Southwest_French @ 2.17
12 73.3% Ukrainian + 26.7% Portuguese @ 2.22
13 66.3% Southwest_Russian + 33.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.23
14 64.5% Southwest_Russian + 35.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.25
15 76.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.26
16 73.1% Ukrainian + 26.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.31
17 76.9% Ukrainian + 23.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.34
18 75.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.35
19 77.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.37
20 74.2% Ukrainian + 25.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.38
EUtest Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 21.64
2 EAST_EURO 19.46
3 ATLANTIC 17.26
4 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 17.14
5 WEST_MED 13.15
6 EAST_MED 6.42
7 WEST_ASIAN 3.75
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.88
9 SIBERIAN 0.3
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 HU 5.79
2 AT 8.3
3 PL 9.86
4 UA 10.37
5 West_Russian 11.26
6 Serbian 11.32
7 Ukrainian-Russian 11.45
8 RO 13.59
9 Belorussian 14.03
10 North_Swedish 14.07
11 South_Finnish 14.35
12 West_&_Central_German 14.41
13 East_Russian 15.12
14 NL 15.36
15 South_&_Central_Swedish 15.39
16 EE 15.73
17 NO 16.09
18 Northwest_Russian 16.25
19 DK 16.83
20 East_Finnish 16.94
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.9% Ukrainian-Russian + 32.1% ES @ 2.61
2 62.2% Ukrainian-Russian + 37.8% FR @ 2.92
3 67.2% Ukrainian-Russian + 32.8% PT @ 3.26
4 68.5% West_Russian + 31.5% ES @ 3.3
5 67.7% West_Russian + 32.3% PT @ 3.47
6 74.7% Ukrainian-Russian + 25.3% French_Basque @ 3.53
7 70.7% UA + 29.3% ES @ 3.69
8 63% West_Russian + 37% FR @ 3.8
9 67.3% West_Russian + 32.7% North_Italian @ 3.9
10 65.3% UA + 34.7% FR @ 3.97
11 59.6% AT + 40.4% Ukrainian-Russian @ 4.01
12 84.5% PL + 15.5% Sardinian @ 4.05
13 80.5% HU + 19.5% North_Russian @ 4.08
14 70.2% UA + 29.8% PT @ 4.13
15 59.4% AT + 40.6% West_Russian @ 4.21
16 59.8% Northwest_Russian + 40.2% ES @ 4.21
17 77.2% UA + 22.8% French_Basque @ 4.22
18 78.6% HU + 21.4% East_Russian @ 4.24
19 72.4% PL + 27.6% ES @ 4.25
20 70.4% AT + 29.6% North_Russian @ 4.26
MDLP K23b Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 42.88
2 Caucasian 25.7
3 European_Early_Farmers 17.63
4 South_Central_Asian 4.54
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.11
6 Near_East 2.34
7 Tungus-Altaic 2.24
8 Austronesian 0.73
9 North_African 0.48
10 Amerindian 0.36
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 German ( ) 4.07
2 Austrian ( ) 4.7
3 Hungarian ( ) 5.25
4 Slovenian ( ) 5.75
5 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 6.23
6 Czech ( ) 6.24
7 Slovak ( ) 6.57
8 German_East ( ) 6.57
9 Kashub ( ) 6.89
10 Sorb ( ) 8.37
11 Swede_Saami ( ) 8.69
12 North_German ( ) 8.74
13 German-Volga ( ) 8.85
14 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.84
15 South_German ( ) 9.85
16 Dutch ( ) 10.48
17 Russian-North-West ( ) 10.78
18 Dane ( ) 10.98
19 Finn_West ( ) 11.46
20 Russian-West ( ) 11.56
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.8% Austrian ( ) + 23.2% Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) @ 2.05
2 85.3% Austrian ( ) + 14.7% Crimean_Tatar_Step ( ) @ 2.21
3 79.4% Austrian ( ) + 20.6% Tatar-Kazan ( ) @ 2.23
4 83.3% Austrian ( ) + 16.7% Tatar_Lithuania ( ) @ 2.25
5 78.7% Austrian ( ) + 21.3% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 2.26
6 88.3% Austrian ( ) + 11.7% Turkmen_Afghan ( ) @ 2.31
7 54.1% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 45.9% Irish ( ) @ 2.33
8 62.5% Slovak ( ) + 37.5% Dutch ( ) @ 2.34
9 89% Austrian ( ) + 11% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) @ 2.34
10 51.7% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 48.3% Dutch ( ) @ 2.39
11 60.7% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 39.3% Irish ( ) @ 2.39
12 70.7% Slovak ( ) + 29.3% Irish ( ) @ 2.4
13 50.2% Frisian ( ) + 49.8% Ukrainian ( ) @ 2.4
14 77.7% Slovak ( ) + 22.3% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 2.42
15 67.8% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 32.2% Welsh ( ) @ 2.43
16 88.7% Austrian ( ) + 11.3% Uzbek ( ) @ 2.45
17 66.8% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 33.2% CEU ( ) @ 2.46
18 61.6% Ukrainian_Center ( ) + 38.4% Welsh ( ) @ 2.46
19 55.1% Dutch ( ) + 44.9% Ukrainian_Center ( ) @ 2.46
20 67.7% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 32.3% British ( ) @ 2.47
Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 47.36
2 Atlantic_Med 28.72
3 Caucasus 13.36
4 Gedrosia 4.72
5 Southwest_Asian 3.31
6 Siberian 1.73
7 South_Asian 0.8
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 3.43
2 German (Dodecad) 6.2
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 13.06
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 13.67
North-western Croat from Prigorje: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prigorje
He should be added to Croat_Central average, which is one with only few samples.
Croat_Prigorje,32.05,36.48,14.46,6.03,8.34,1.6,0,0 ,0.88,0,0.15,0,0
Distance to: Croat_Prigorje
2.57491230 Slovak
2.73389832 Hungarian_Northern
2.86961670 Slovenian
3.30366463 Czech
3.45001449 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
3.94949364 Croat_Croatia_Central
4.83835716 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
4.94207446 Hungarian_Budapest
5.15506547 Hungarian
5.23813898 Hungarian_Alfold
5.35496965 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.84552821 Croat_Croatia
6.28179115 Croat
6.51534343 German_east
6.53546479 Croat_Slavonia
6.89713709 Sorb_Lusatia
7.01807666 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.19899299 South_Polish
7.30134919 East_German
8.20588813 Moldova_North
8.25388393 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
8.39834508 Ukrainian_Lviv
8.43423974 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
8.46706561 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
8.54039812 Austrian
Target: Croat_Prigorje
Distance: 1.3080% / 1.30803227 | ADC: 0.25x
78.0 Slovenian
14.8 Masurian
3.4 German_east
2.4 Czech
1.4 Cossacks_Kuban
Or maybe Prigorje should rather be joined with Zagorje samples. "Central Croatia" is pretty hard to define as it includes native Kajkavian NW Croats and some Štokavian enclaves in south towards BiH border.
New sample of eastern Croat from Slavonia.
Croat_Slavonia,25.1,36.93,12.85,10.36,11.5,0.28,0, 0,1.9,1.09,0,0,0
Distance to: Croat_Slavonia
2.90117218 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
4.83859484 Moldova_North
5.03498759 Croat_Slavonia
5.63079035 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
6.15171521 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
6.29011129 Croat
6.29176446 Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.40932134 Croat_Croatia
6.51955520 Croat_B&H
6.52363396 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.61304771 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.88099557 Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner
6.94893517 Hungarian_Alfold
7.26223106 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
7.43372047 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
7.54810572 Croat_Croatia_Central
7.56142182 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
7.68698250 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.75371524 Bosniak
8.10628768 Hungarian
8.11573237 Slovak
8.12732428 Hungarian_Northern
8.14310137 Moldova_Centre
8.31692251 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
8.31800457 Serb_B&H
Target: Croat_Slavonia
Distance: 1.7776% / 1.77757511 | ADC: 0.25x
88.2 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.8 Erzya
2.6 Southwest_Russian
1.4 Lezgin
1.0 Chuvash
North-western Croat from Prigorje: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prigorje
He should be added to Croat_Central average, which is one with only few samples.
That person is so Northern. 36% Baltic, 32% North Atlantic.
That person is so Northern. 36% Baltic, 32% North Atlantic.
Yeah. More northern than Hrvoje for example. Prigorje is region around Zagreb, so natives of capital (so-called Purgeri) should look like that.
But we need more samples. I'd say both of them are typical.
Altaylı
10-05-2020, 05:25 PM
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Yeah. More northern than Hrvoje for example. Prigorje is region around Zagreb, so natives of capital (so-called Purgeri) should look like that.
But we need more samples. I'd say both of them are typical.
How much North European do both of them score on Dod K12b? Just curious.
How much North European do both of them score on Dod K12b? Just curious.
I don't have this guy kit number, only his K36 besides K13. Hrvoje is collecting other's people results on Croatian forum where I'm banned.
He scores 44% iirc (like me)
We're very similar genetically on gedmatch, he's closer to me than my parents.
New sample of eastern Croat from Slavonia.
Croat_Slavonia,25.1,36.93,12.85,10.36,11.5,0.28,0, 0,1.9,1.09,0,0,0
Distance to: Croat_Slavonia
2.90117218 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
4.83859484 Moldova_North
5.03498759 Croat_Slavonia
5.63079035 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
6.15171521 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
6.29011129 Croat
6.29176446 Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.40932134 Croat_Croatia
6.51955520 Croat_B&H
6.52363396 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.61304771 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.88099557 Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner
6.94893517 Hungarian_Alfold
7.26223106 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
7.43372047 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
7.54810572 Croat_Croatia_Central
7.56142182 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
7.68698250 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.75371524 Bosniak
8.10628768 Hungarian
8.11573237 Slovak
8.12732428 Hungarian_Northern
8.14310137 Moldova_Centre
8.31692251 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
8.31800457 Serb_B&H
Target: Croat_Slavonia
Distance: 1.7776% / 1.77757511 | ADC: 0.25x
88.2 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.8 Erzya
2.6 Southwest_Russian
1.4 Lezgin
1.0 Chuvash
His haplogroup is I2 din.
Bosniak
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.04
2 North_Atlantic 25.64
3 West_Med 15.3
4 East_Med 13.44
5 West_Asian 5.2
6 South_Asian 0.77
7 Siberian 0.46
8 East_Asian 0.15
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.43
2 Moldavian 7.19
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.62
4 Ukrainian 8.68
5 South_Polish 8.98
6 Hungarian 9.76
7 Serbian 11.49
8 Southwest_Russian 11.71
9 Polish 11.87
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.47
11 East_German 13.35
12 Russian_Smolensk 13.45
13 Estonian_Polish 13.48
14 Austrian 13.86
15 Belorussian 14.13
16 Romanian 14.74
17 Bulgarian 16.22
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.42
19 Erzya 18
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.29
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.2% Ukrainian + 18.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.97
2 65.4% Estonian_Polish + 34.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.99
3 84% Ukrainian + 16% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.01
4 84.1% Ukrainian + 15.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.01
5 55% Estonian_Polish + 45% Bulgarian @ 4.01
6 57.5% Lithuanian + 42.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.12
7 64.3% Belorussian + 35.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.17
8 53.7% Belorussian + 46.3% Bulgarian @ 4.18
9 76.2% Ukrainian + 23.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.21
10 71.5% Estonian_Polish + 28.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.23
11 53.5% Bulgarian + 46.5% Lithuanian @ 4.25
12 81.3% Southwest_Russian + 18.7% Sardinian @ 4.28
13 73.8% Estonian_Polish + 26.2% South_Italian @ 4.32
14 64.1% Lithuanian + 35.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.32
15 67.5% Ukrainian + 32.5% Bulgarian @ 4.35
16 82.8% Ukrainian + 17.2% South_Italian @ 4.44
17 85.5% Ukrainian + 14.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.44
18 84.6% Ukrainian + 15.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.44
19 81.2% Ukrainian + 18.8% West_Sicilian @ 4.46
20 52.5% Estonian_Polish + 47.5% Romanian @ 4.46
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.78
2 Eastern_Euro 18
3 Atlantic 17.88
4 North_Sea 16.24
5 West_Med 10.03
6 East_Med 8.82
7 West_Asian 4.25
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 4.88
2 Moldavian 7.37
3 South_Polish 7.88
4 Ukrainian 8.61
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.69
6 Russian_Smolensk 9.32
7 Hungarian 9.45
8 Polish 9.49
9 Austrian 9.5
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.14
11 Southwest_Russian 10.33
12 Estonian_Polish 11.21
13 Serbian 11.21
14 Belorussian 11.36
15 East_German 12.95
16 Romanian 13.22
17 Kargopol_Russian 13.97
18 Bulgarian 14.74
19 Lithuanian 14.99
20 Estonian 15.12
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% Estonian_Polish + 32.5% Greek @ 2.74
2 72.7% Estonian_Polish + 27.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.17
3 67.4% Belorussian + 32.6% Greek @ 3.21
4 57.3% Estonian_Polish + 42.7% Bulgarian @ 3.27
5 75% Estonian_Polish + 25% South_Italian @ 3.35
6 70.3% Estonian_Polish + 29.7% Tuscan @ 3.35
7 71.7% Polish + 28.3% Greek @ 3.39
8 67.9% Estonian_Polish + 32.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.5
9 72.3% Russian_Smolensk + 27.7% Greek @ 3.52
10 72.9% Estonian_Polish + 27.1% Central_Greek @ 3.53
11 72.3% Estonian_Polish + 27.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.6
12 72.7% Belorussian + 27.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.61
13 70.2% Belorussian + 29.8% Tuscan @ 3.69
14 57% Belorussian + 43% Bulgarian @ 3.71
15 77% Russian_Smolensk + 23% West_Sicilian @ 3.74
16 77.4% Estonian_Polish + 22.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.75
17 73.6% Estonian_Polish + 26.4% East_Sicilian @ 3.76
18 71% Southwest_Russian + 29% North_Italian @ 3.77
19 77.1% Estonian_Polish + 22.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.79
20 82% Southwest_Russian + 18% Sardinian @ 3.81
Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions
Population
Gedrosia 1.60 Pct
Siberian 0.63 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.08 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.09 Pct
North_European 48.85 Pct
South_Asian 0.55 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.16 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 18.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Bosniak...
Similar to Šokac woman I tested. I wonder what would Commonsense say now, because he said it's hard to believe Šokci descend from Bosnia based on her results. And this Bosniak is similary highly Slavic.
Similar to Šokac woman I tested. I wonder what would Commonsense say now, because he said it's hard to believe Šokci descend from Bosnia based on her results. And this Bosniak is similary highly Slavic.
Yeah, that's a real Bosniak. I can provide the email address. The account has almost a dozen of kits, all having Yugoslav Muslim names. I haven't checked the rest, only this one.
Yeah, that's a real Bosniak. I can provide the email address. The account has almost a dozen of kits, all having Yugoslav Muslim names. I haven't checked the rest, only this one.
Well yes, such results are not hard to find actually, they are just not the norm.
Noble Cuman
10-08-2020, 09:12 PM
Where is Bosniak from I wonder? He is closer to Croats than Serbs.
Well yes, such results are not hard to find actually, they are just not the norm.
It is getting even more interesting. His close relative (mother or sister)
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 41.13
2 North_Atlantic 22.8
3 West_Med 13.86
4 East_Med 13.03
5 West_Asian 7.41
6 South_Asian 0.77
7 Siberian 0.7
8 Oceanian 0.2
9 Amerindian 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 6.88
2 Moldavian 7.81
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.21
4 Ukrainian 8.29
5 South_Polish 9.4
6 Southwest_Russian 9.95
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.48
8 Polish 11.7
9 Hungarian 12.14
10 Russian_Smolensk 12.33
11 Estonian_Polish 12.5
12 Belorussian 13.31
13 Serbian 13.43
14 Kargopol_Russian 14.85
15 Erzya 15.59
16 East_German 16.02
17 Romanian 16.16
18 Austrian 16.59
19 Bulgarian 17.29
20 Lithuanian 17.32
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% Southwest_Russian + 26.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.91
2 64.8% Southwest_Russian + 35.2% Bulgarian @ 3.95
3 50% Lithuanian + 50% Bulgarian @ 3.99
4 60.3% Lithuanian + 39.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.04
5 79.7% Estonian_Polish + 20.3% Cyprian @ 4.07
6 82.1% Southwest_Russian + 17.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.11
7 58.7% Estonian_Polish + 41.3% Bulgarian @ 4.12
8 66% Lithuanian + 34% Central_Greek @ 4.15
9 78.3% Southwest_Russian + 21.7% Central_Greek @ 4.17
10 80.4% Southwest_Russian + 19.6% South_Italian @ 4.2
11 73.4% Lithuanian + 26.6% Cyprian @ 4.25
12 79% Southwest_Russian + 21% East_Sicilian @ 4.28
13 79.2% Southwest_Russian + 20.8% Ashkenazi @ 4.28
14 88.1% Ukrainian + 11.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.29
15 68.8% Lithuanian + 31.2% South_Italian @ 4.3
16 68.5% Estonian_Polish + 31.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.3
17 82.3% Southwest_Russian + 17.7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.3
18 73.5% Estonian_Polish + 26.5% Central_Greek @ 4.31
19 86.8% Ukrainian + 13.2% Cyprian @ 4.33
20 88% Ukrainian + 12% Samaritan @ 4.39
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.82
2 Eastern_Euro 20.19
3 Atlantic 16.71
4 North_Sea 14.71
5 West_Med 9.21
6 East_Med 9.01
7 West_Asian 5.32
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 6.45
2 Moldavian 7.95
3 South_Polish 8.74
4 Russian_Smolensk 9.22
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.25
6 Ukrainian 9.28
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.51
8 Southwest_Russian 9.61
9 Polish 10.14
10 Estonian_Polish 11
11 Hungarian 11.28
12 Austrian 11.3
13 Belorussian 11.32
14 Serbian 12.24
15 Kargopol_Russian 12.99
16 Romanian 13.95
17 Erzya 14.53
18 East_German 14.85
19 Lithuanian 14.92
20 Bulgarian 15.26
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.4% Estonian_Polish + 31.6% Greek @ 3.04
2 71.9% Southwest_Russian + 28.1% Greek @ 3.55
3 73.7% Estonian_Polish + 26.3% Central_Greek @ 3.79
4 75.8% Estonian_Polish + 24.2% South_Italian @ 3.79
5 58.9% Estonian_Polish + 41.1% Bulgarian @ 3.81
6 68.1% Belorussian + 31.9% Greek @ 3.81
7 73.1% Russian_Smolensk + 26.9% Greek @ 3.89
8 80.1% Estonian_Polish + 19.9% Cyprian @ 3.9
9 78.1% Estonian_Polish + 21.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.94
10 77% Southwest_Russian + 23% West_Sicilian @ 4.01
11 73.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26.8% Greek @ 4.01
12 74.1% Estonian_Polish + 25.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.06
13 77.8% Estonian_Polish + 22.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.09
14 74.5% Estonian_Polish + 25.5% East_Sicilian @ 4.15
15 62.9% Southwest_Russian + 37.1% Bulgarian @ 4.19
16 69.4% Estonian_Polish + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.2
17 78% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 22% West_Sicilian @ 4.2
18 78.1% Estonian_Polish + 21.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.22
19 80.9% Southwest_Russian + 19.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.23
20 73.5% Estonian_Polish + 26.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.23
Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions
Population
Gedrosia 2.49 Pct
Siberian 0.28 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.20 Pct
North_European 51.12 Pct
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.12 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.19 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Nice find, Leto!
I'm a bit surprised that no one including you is freaking out and questioning the validity of those results :swl
I'm a bit surprised that no one including you is freaking out and questioning the validity of those results :swl
It just support results of Šokac I have, so very good. More samples we have more we see such people aren't super rare and aren't mixed but simply each ethnicity has huge range.
Second sample you posted isn't that northern btw, it's north atlantic is very low.
Moje ime
10-09-2020, 01:17 PM
It is getting even more interesting. His close relative (mother or sister)
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 41.13
2 North_Atlantic 22.8
3 West_Med 13.86
4 East_Med 13.03
5 West_Asian 7.41
6 South_Asian 0.77
7 Siberian 0.7
8 Oceanian 0.2
9 Amerindian 0.09
::lol00001:
Academic sample of Zagreb Croat who is outlier and has fully Albanian genetic profile. His top matches are all Albanians too, he barely matches any Croats, at first look I don't notice any.
Won't be included in my statistics, ofcourse. But it's still possible it's actual Croat from Kosovo (Janjevac). Sadly it can't be checked.
North_Atlantic 17.83 Pct
Baltic 21.80 Pct
West_Med 22.01 Pct
West_Asian 12.02 Pct
East_Med 24.24 Pct
Red_Sea 1.62 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Now when I ran him, I am more and more convinced this guy is Janjevac. Because he is not identical with Albanians like we tought. What do you guys think?
Distance to: Janjevac?
2.78546226 Macedonian_Southwest
3.89039844 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
3.98810732 Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.50296569 Greek_Central_Macedonia
4.72571688 Macedonian_Greece
5.03683432 Macedonian_Central
5.03811473 Macedonian_North
5.14168260 Albanian_central_Albania
5.14788306 Macedonian
5.27802046 Albanian_Montenegro
5.32546712 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.32957784 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
5.32957784 Vlach_avg
5.34086135 Albanian_Macedonia
5.45000000 Albanian
5.61290477 Albanian_Albania
5.91549660 Torbesh_average
5.96069627 Turk_Thessaloniki
6.03651389 Albanian_north_Albania
6.11070372 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
6.13446819 Greek_West
6.18210320 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
6.20215285 Bulgaria_Southeastern
6.27350181 Greek_Thessaly
6.38744863 Greek
Ion Basescul
10-09-2020, 07:29 PM
I'm a bit surprised that no one including you is freaking out and questioning the validity of those results :swl
I personally gave up. If people want to fake their country's and/or personal results because of insecurities, then they can be my guests. Commercial tests are still there for that benchmark that none of us hasn't got any access to modify. Want to have a Serbian average in Ukrainian range? Sign me up.
From Zagreb (3rd generation there), Croat by identity. His regional origins are BiH Croat from Tomislavgrad (mother), and Kosovo Albanian (father)
His haplogroup is eastern/Yamnaya R1b.
https://yfull.com/tree/R-PF7562/
Zagreb(CRO/ALB),23.99,25.02,21.2,11.98,13.38,2.85,0,0,0,0.92, 0.65,0,0
Distance to: Zagreb(CRO/ALB)
5.56510557 Montenegrin
5.62572662 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.85353739 Romania_Transylvania
5.89121380 Romania_Crisana
5.90359213 Romania_Oltenia
5.95758340 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.15383620 Romania_average
6.33420082 Romania_Banat
6.40631719 Macedonian_Northwest
6.41801371 Moldova_South
6.43843149 Romania_Wallachia
6.61029500 Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.98597166 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
7.10303456 Serb_Serbia
7.12183965 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
7.12875866 Romania_Muntenia
7.16525645 Serb
7.18732217 Serb
7.21533783 Serb_Serbia_South&East
7.37793331 Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
7.43233476 Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.49111474 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
7.49619904 Serb_B&H_Krajina
7.50522485 Bulgaria_average
7.52857224 Romania_Dobruja
Target: Zagreb(CRO/ALB)
Distance: 2.6027% / 2.60273193 | ADC: 0.25x
44.6 Bosniak_Krajina
17.6 Macedonian_Central
14.4 Turk_Sliven-Alevi
7.0 Pomak_Kavala
6.8 Vlach_North-Macedonia
5.2 Sardinia
4.4 French_Basque
His phenotype is very interesting, as he looks Irish/Brunn :)
So he is half Albanian by ancestry but culturally and linguistically assimilated as Croatian? I guess the Albanian part was Roman Catholic.
So he is half Albanian by ancestry but culturally and linguistically assimilated as Croatian? I guess the Albanian part was Roman Catholic.
Yes, he's totally Croat from Zagreb and doesn't even speak Albanian. Really friendly, from him I got another K13 Croat result which I am about to post. :)
Croat, 3/4 native Čakavian from Rijeka in north Adriatic region, 1/4 Dalmatian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Littoral
Croat_3/4_Primorje_1/4_Dalmatia,26.03,32.8,15.52,7.48,15.18,1.6,0,0,0.2 1,0.12,1.04,0,0
He gets his region as no.1! With super tight fit! :) Means Vbnethkio did a great job!
Distance to: Croat_3/4_Primorje_1/4_Dalmatia
1.43836713 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner
2.01412512 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
2.04978048 Croat_B&H
2.27466481 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
2.46606975 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
2.57858488 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
2.63294512 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.78592893 Bosniak
2.80278433 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
3.24615157 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
3.46363970 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
3.46815513 Serb_B&H
3.60091655 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.83001305 Serb_Croatia
3.89115664 Bosniak_Krajina
4.06650956 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.08804354 Serb_Croatia_Lika
4.33030022 Croat
4.34359298 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
4.34371960 Romania_Maramures
4.40266964 Moldova_North
4.43320426 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.44698774 Serb
4.48097088 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
4.51730008 Serb
Target: Croat_3/4_Primorje_1/4_Dalmatia
Distance: 0.8489% / 0.84894448 | ADC: 0.25x
75.4 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner
20.0 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
3.2 Pomak_Xanthi
1.2 Latvian
0.2 Papuan
Peterski
10-09-2020, 08:16 PM
Bulgarian from Targoviste:
Eurogenes K13:
Population
North_Atlantic 21.66 Pct
Baltic 20.11 Pct
West_Med 19.01 Pct
West_Asian 12.66 Pct
East_Med 22.58 Pct
Red_Sea 0.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.22 Pct
East_Asian 1.35 Pct
Siberian 1.20 Pct
Amerindian 0.34 Pct
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pct
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.58
2 North_Atlantic 21.66
3 Baltic 20.11
4 West_Med 19.01
5 West_Asian 12.66
6 East_Asian 1.35
7 Siberian 1.2
8 Oceanian 0.39
9 Sub-Saharan 0.35
10 Amerindian 0.34
11 South_Asian 0.22
12 Red_Sea 0.14
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.74
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.37
3 Romanian 6.73
4 Serbian 10.98
5 Italian_Abruzzo 12.19
6 Tuscan 12.4
7 Central_Greek 12.6
8 West_Sicilian 13.74
9 East_Sicilian 14.12
10 North_Italian 14.32
11 Ashkenazi 15.83
12 Moldavian 16.68
13 South_Italian 16.72
14 Hungarian 18.95
15 Croatian 19.67
16 Austrian 21.21
17 Portuguese 21.32
18 Spanish_Extremadura 22.05
19 Spanish_Galicia 22.27
20 French 22.32
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% South_Italian @ 2.78
2 75.7% Bulgarian + 24.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.81
3 78% Bulgarian + 22% West_Sicilian @ 2.86
4 76.8% Bulgarian + 23.2% Central_Greek @ 2.96
5 86% Bulgarian + 14% Italian_Jewish @ 3.07
6 60.9% Bulgarian + 39.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.12
7 79.6% Bulgarian + 20.4% East_Sicilian @ 3.16
8 86.4% Bulgarian + 13.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.18
9 73.5% Romanian + 26.5% South_Italian @ 3.21
10 67.3% Romanian + 32.7% Central_Greek @ 3.22
11 86.5% Bulgarian + 13.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.23
12 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.34
13 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Romanian @ 3.36
14 78.3% Bulgarian + 21.7% Tuscan @ 3.39
15 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Cyprian @ 3.44
16 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.45
17 62.3% South_Italian + 37.7% Ukrainian @ 3.46
18 82.8% Romanian + 17.2% Cyprian @ 3.52
19 61.8% South_Italian + 38.2% South_Polish @ 3.55
20 89.4% Bulgarian + 10.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.56
Eurogenes K15:
Population
North_Sea 18.67 Pct
Atlantic 10.76 Pct
Baltic 12.64 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.43 Pct
West_Med 14.56 Pct
West_Asian 11.91 Pct
East_Med 20.20 Pct
Red_Sea 0.37 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 1.36 Pct
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.21 Pct
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.2
2 North_Sea 18.67
3 West_Med 14.56
4 Baltic 12.64
5 West_Asian 11.91
6 Atlantic 10.76
7 Eastern_Euro 8.43
8 Southeast_Asian 1.36
9 Siberian 0.58
10 Red_Sea 0.37
11 Oceanian 0.29
12 Sub-Saharan 0.21
13 South_Asian 0.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 7.1
2 Bulgarian 8.44
3 Romanian 8.53
4 Greek 10.5
5 Serbian 10.81
6 Central_Greek 13.08
7 Italian_Abruzzo 13.11
8 Tuscan 13.18
9 Ashkenazi 13.36
10 East_Sicilian 14.32
11 Moldavian 15.25
12 West_Sicilian 15.29
13 North_Italian 15.56
14 South_Italian 16.55
15 Hungarian 16.79
16 Croatian 17.95
17 Austrian 18.17
18 Italian_Jewish 20.21
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.57
20 French 20.76
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.6% Greek_Thessaly + 16.4% Finnish @ 4.66
2 84% Greek_Thessaly + 16% North_Swedish @ 4.68
3 84.6% Greek_Thessaly + 15.4% East_Finnish @ 4.84
4 84.1% Greek_Thessaly + 15.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.93
5 84.7% Greek_Thessaly + 15.3% Swedish @ 4.93
6 76% Greek_Thessaly + 24% Hungarian @ 4.97
7 85.7% Greek_Thessaly + 14.3% Estonian @ 5.02
8 85.1% Greek_Thessaly + 14.9% Norwegian @ 5.03
9 85.9% Greek_Thessaly + 14.1% West_Norwegian @ 5.06
10 82.5% Greek_Thessaly + 17.5% Ukrainian @ 5.15
11 74.8% Greek_Thessaly + 25.2% Moldavian @ 5.21
12 66.3% Greek_Thessaly + 33.7% Serbian @ 5.23
13 86.1% Greek_Thessaly + 13.9% La_Brana-1 @ 5.24
14 82.3% Greek_Thessaly + 17.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.26
15 83% Greek_Thessaly + 17% South_Polish @ 5.27
16 85.8% Greek_Thessaly + 14.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.28
17 81.1% Greek_Thessaly + 18.9% East_German @ 5.31
18 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Erzya @ 5.35
19 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% West_German @ 5.37
20 84.9% Greek_Thessaly + 15.1% Polish @ 5.38
Bulgarian from Targoviste:
Eurogenes K13:
Population
North_Atlantic 21.66 Pct
Baltic 20.11 Pct
West_Med 19.01 Pct
West_Asian 12.66 Pct
East_Med 22.58 Pct
Red_Sea 0.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.22 Pct
East_Asian 1.35 Pct
Siberian 1.20 Pct
Amerindian 0.34 Pct
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pct
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.58
2 North_Atlantic 21.66
3 Baltic 20.11
4 West_Med 19.01
5 West_Asian 12.66
6 East_Asian 1.35
7 Siberian 1.2
8 Oceanian 0.39
9 Sub-Saharan 0.35
10 Amerindian 0.34
11 South_Asian 0.22
12 Red_Sea 0.14
Some Old Bulgar thing going on :cool: How much on Dodecad?
Peterski
10-09-2020, 08:48 PM
Some Old Bulgar thing going on :cool: How much on Dodecad?
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 30.7
2 Caucasus 28.33
3 Atlantic_Med 25.27
4 Southwest_Asian 6.67
5 Gedrosia 5.81
6 Siberian 1.29
7 Northwest_African 1.09
8 East_Asian 0.4
9 South_Asian 0.2
10 Southeast_Asian 0.14
11 Sub_Saharan 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.06
2 Romanians (Behar) 5.9
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 6.06
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11.4
5 Greek (Dodecad) 13.45
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.94
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.35
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.45
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.99
10 Hungarians (Behar) 19.94
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.94
12 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 19.96
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.14
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.15
15 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.31
16 German (Dodecad) 24.62
17 French (Dodecad) 26.07
18 French (HGDP) 26.12
19 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 26.27
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 27.07
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.6
2 62.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.6
3 65.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.65
4 93% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.71
5 92.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 7.7% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.73
6 92.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 7.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.83
7 63.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 36.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.92
8 64.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.93
9 65.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.6% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.94
10 50% Hungarians (Behar) + 50% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.96
11 84.6% Romanians (Behar) + 15.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.05
12 65.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 3.1
13 79.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.14
14 68.7% Romanians (Behar) + 31.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.14
15 80.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.15
16 80% Romanians (Behar) + 20% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.16
17 64.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.17
18 84% Romanians (Behar) + 16% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.19
19 80.1% Romanians (Behar) + 19.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.22
20 80.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 3.25
CommonSense
10-10-2020, 03:03 PM
Similar to Šokac woman I tested. I wonder what would Commonsense say now, because he said it's hard to believe Šokci descend from Bosnia based on her results. And this Bosniak is similary highly Slavic.
So why should we take an outlier as the exemplar for some alleged medieval Bosnian genetic average?
That being said, it's understated how diverse Bosniaks are as a modern ethnic group. Both a person such as this and an assimilated Albanian from Tutin will swear they are ancient Illyrians and the exact same people with the same kind of ancestry.
CommonSense
10-10-2020, 03:05 PM
I personally gave up. If people want to fake their country's and/or personal results because of insecurities, then they can be my guests. Commercial tests are still there for that benchmark that none of us hasn't got any access to modify. Want to have a Serbian average in Ukrainian range? Sign me up.
What the heck is that supposed to mean? Is there an issue you'd like to share with us?
Ion Basescul
10-10-2020, 03:34 PM
What the heck is that supposed to mean? Is there an issue you'd like to share with us?
I have trust issues with you lot.
For example, I always disclose my individual results that make the averages for Romania and Moldova, same goes for my Bulgarian averages. Dunai did the same for his Hungarian averages.
But I can't say the same about those that come from the rest of the Balkans. I just see the averages.
I have the Gedmatch of a Bulgarian from Odessa oblast. He is a very old Russian Orthodox priest, somewhat famous in Orthodox circles. If anyone's interested, I can post the results but I'd like to not share the number publicly. Not that he personally cares at the age of 86.
vbnetkhio
10-10-2020, 03:48 PM
If anyone's interested, I can post the results
of course we are interested, why even ask :D
of course we are interested, why even ask :D
Okay, I'll post him. He is very Southern, I thought he was some type of Rumyn/Moldovan because the region has them too but then I learned he was from a Bulgarian village. His grandchildren are pretty much Russian though, totally assimilated.
I have the Gedmatch of a Bulgarian from Odessa oblast. He is a very old Russian Orthodox priest, somewhat famous in Orthodox circles. If anyone's interested, I can post the results but I'd like to not share the number publicly. Not that he personally cares at the age of 86.
Alright, here he is:
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
North_Atlantic 19.87 Pct
Baltic 21.14 Pct
West_Med 16.90 Pct
West_Asian 13.54 Pct
East_Med 23.31 Pct
Red_Sea 2.10 Pct
South_Asian 1.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.80 Pct
Siberian 0.13 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.10 Pct
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.74
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.26
3 Romanian 7.11
4 Serbian 11.33
5 Central_Greek 12.38
6 Italian_Abruzzo 12.63
7 East_Sicilian 13.79
8 Tuscan 14.16
9 West_Sicilian 14.49
10 Ashkenazi 15.15
11 Moldavian 16.55
12 North_Italian 16.73
13 South_Italian 16.8
14 Hungarian 19.39
15 Croatian 19.65
16 Austrian 22.07
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.2
18 Italian_Jewish 22.2
19 Algerian_Jewish 22.28
20 Portuguese 23.61
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 1.61
2 88.1% Bulgarian + 11.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.76
3 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 1.78
4 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Assyrian @ 1.85
5 86.9% Bulgarian + 13.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.93
6 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.1
7 86.4% Bulgarian + 13.6% Cyprian @ 2.17
8 87.5% Bulgarian + 12.5% Syrian @ 2.19
9 64% South_Italian + 36% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.22
10 88.8% Bulgarian + 11.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.23
11 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.29
12 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Samaritan @ 2.3
13 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% Armenian @ 2.32
14 86% Bulgarian + 14% Turkish @ 2.39
15 83% Romanian + 17% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.39
16 80% Romanian + 20% Cyprian @ 2.39
17 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.43
18 89% Bulgarian + 11% Palestinian @ 2.44
19 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.47
20 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.48
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
North_Sea 9.49 Pct
Atlantic 16.20 Pct
Baltic 15.51 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.51 Pct
West_Med 12.50 Pct
West_Asian 13.54 Pct
East_Med 19.82 Pct
Red_Sea 2.39 Pct
South_Asian 1.51 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.32 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.17 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.83
2 Greek 6.53
3 Romanian 7.68
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.93
5 Serbian 11.81
6 Italian_Abruzzo 11.9
7 Central_Greek 12.09
8 Ashkenazi 12.63
9 Tuscan 13.17
10 East_Sicilian 13.25
11 West_Sicilian 13.7
12 South_Italian 15.27
13 Moldavian 15.88
14 North_Italian 16.29
15 Croatian 17.39
16 Austrian 17.67
17 Hungarian 18.78
18 Sephardic_Jewish 19.71
19 Italian_Jewish 19.72
20 Algerian_Jewish 20.65
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.68
2 89.4% Bulgarian + 10.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.9
3 87.3% Bulgarian + 12.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.92
4 88.6% Bulgarian + 11.4% Assyrian @ 2.92
5 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.97
6 88.6% Bulgarian + 11.4% Kurdish @ 3.02
7 86.8% Bulgarian + 13.2% Cyprian @ 3.03
8 85.8% Bulgarian + 14.2% Turkish @ 3.08
9 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.08
10 89.2% Bulgarian + 10.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.09
11 87.6% Bulgarian + 12.4% Azeri @ 3.14
12 89.2% Bulgarian + 10.8% Iranian @ 3.14
13 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Syrian @ 3.17
14 81.7% Greek + 18.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.2
15 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Samaritan @ 3.23
16 89.7% Bulgarian + 10.3% Armenian @ 3.3
17 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Palestinian @ 3.31
18 81.9% Greek + 18.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.31
19 82.3% Greek + 17.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.35
20 87.1% Bulgarian + 12.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.39
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.63 Pct
Armenian 2.08 Pct
Basque 0.30 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.14 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.95 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.30 Pct
East_Med 8.87 Pct
Eastern_Euro 6.53 Pct
Fennoscandian 0.57 Pct
French 2.78 Pct
Iberian 4.72 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 22.66 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 7.90 Pct
North_African 0.91 Pct
North_Atlantic 0.85 Pct
North_Caucasian 7.52 Pct
North_Sea 4.82 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.37 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.78 Pct
West_Med 4.32 Pct
MDLP K23b Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.39
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.96
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.76
4 Near_East 7.92
5 South_Central_Asian 4.36
6 South_Indian 1.59
7 North_African 1.46
8 Australoid 1.07
9 Paleo_Siberian 0.75
10 Arctic 0.44
11 Ancestral_Altaic 0.43
12 Tungus-Altaic 0.29
13 Amerindian 0.26
14 African_Pygmy 0.19
15 Archaic_Human 0.15
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Macedonian ( ) 3.42
2 Bulgarian ( ) 4.06
3 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 5.75
4 Montenegrian ( ) 5.88
5 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 6.14
6 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 6.94
7 Gagauz ( ) 6.95
8 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 6.95
9 Romanian ( ) 7.05
10 Greek_Northwest ( ) 7.08
11 Serb_BH ( ) 7.64
12 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 7.7
13 Croat ( ) 7.93
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 8.13
15 Ashkenazi ( ) 8.17
16 Bosnian ( ) 8.2
17 Kosovar ( ) 8.36
18 Croat_BH ( ) 8.39
19 Central_Greek ( ) 8.46
20 Serb_Serbia ( ) 8.68
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.2% Greek_Islands ( ) + 49.8% Czech ( ) @ 1.91
2 52.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 47.6% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.05
3 64.3% Serb_BH ( ) + 35.7% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.08
4 63.3% Croat ( ) + 36.7% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.11
5 51.7% Greek_Islands ( ) + 48.3% Slovak ( ) @ 2.14
6 89.2% Macedonian ( ) + 10.8% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) @ 2.16
7 58.2% Greek ( ) + 41.8% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) @ 2.16
8 89.1% Macedonian ( ) + 10.9% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) @ 2.18
9 60.6% Greek ( ) + 39.4% Czech ( ) @ 2.19
10 68.5% Greek ( ) + 31.5% German ( ) @ 2.19
11 90.5% Macedonian ( ) + 9.5% Iraqi_Jew ( ) @ 2.19
12 79.5% Macedonian ( ) + 20.5% Cretan ( ) @ 2.2
13 62.6% Bosnian ( ) + 37.4% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.26
14 83.7% Macedonian ( ) + 16.3% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.26
15 58.1% Serb_BH ( ) + 41.9% Cretan ( ) @ 2.28
16 89.3% Macedonian ( ) + 10.7% Samaritian ( ) @ 2.28
17 88% Macedonian ( ) + 12% Lebanese_Muslim ( ) @ 2.29
18 58.7% Greek_Islands ( ) + 41.3% German ( ) @ 2.3
19 91.2% Macedonian ( ) + 8.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) @ 2.31
20 87.9% Macedonian ( ) + 12.1% Cypriot ( ) @ 2.32
Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions + Vahaduo
Gedrosia 4.47 Pct
Siberian 0.18 Pct
Northwest_African 0.80 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.08 Pct
North_European 29.20 Pct
South_Asian 1.16 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.14 Pct
East_Asian 0.63 Pct
Caucasus 29.98 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: SD
3.62512069 Greek_Macedonia
4.37853857 MD_Gagauz
4.64318856 Turk_Macedonia
4.70262693 Greek_Thessaloniki
5.11156532 Albanian_North
5.18867999 Albanian_Kosovo
5.25898279 Bulgarian
5.27073050 Turk_Greece
5.31080973 Greek_Thessaly
5.69304839 Greek_Thrace
Target: SD
Distance: 2.2106% / 2.21061052 | ADC: 0.5x
46.6 Greek_Macedonia
43.2 Greek_Thessaloniki
10.2 Pomak
Target: SD
Distance: 1.4940% / 1.49395028 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 Greek_Thessaloniki
43.2 Pomak
1.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
0.2 Pulliyar
Target: SD
Distance: 1.0697% / 1.06969622
35.0 Greek_Thessaloniki
25.2 Albanian_North
21.2 Greek_Athens
12.4 Lithuanian
4.4 Georgian_Mingrelian
0.8 Pulliyar
0.8 Yemen_Jews
0.2 Korean
vbnetkhio
10-10-2020, 05:10 PM
I personally gave up. If people want to fake their country's and/or personal results because of insecurities, then they can be my guests. Commercial tests are still there for that benchmark that none of us hasn't got any access to modify. Want to have a Serbian average in Ukrainian range? Sign me up.
i don't agree. many people outside this forum use Vahaduo and make conclusions about their ancestry based on it.
Vahaduo averages should be made as proffesionlly as possible.
commercial tests can't be compared, because they don't test the same variable.
e.g. in most commercial tests most modern Balkanians get 90% Balkan. from this it's impossible tell how much ancient Slavic and pre-Slavic admixture they have. from gedmatch calculators, it's possible.
CommonSense
10-10-2020, 05:32 PM
I have trust issues with you lot.
For example, I always disclose my individual results that make the averages for Romania and Moldova, same goes for my Bulgarian averages. Dunai did the same for his Hungarian averages.
But I can't say the same about those that come from the rest of the Balkans. I just see the averages.
Many individual results have already been posted on various threads. Vbnetkhio has also mentioned the number of samples he has for every average, as well as the highest and lowest values of specific components that he found. Is a massive chart showcasing every single individual result really necessary?
vbnetkhio
10-10-2020, 05:38 PM
For example, I always disclose my individual results that make the averages for Romania and Moldova, same goes for my Bulgarian averages. Dunai did the same for his Hungarian averages.
But I can't say the same about those that come from the rest of the Balkans. I just see the averages.
i got most of the samples by promising first that i wouldn't post their indivudal results publically and just use them for the averages.
i showed the individual samples and gedmatch kit Nos only to Lucas, so he can know they are real. because there really were some fake results circulating around.
Ion Basescul
10-10-2020, 06:47 PM
Vahaduo averages should be made as proffesionlly as possible.
With this I agree.
Ion Basescul
10-10-2020, 06:48 PM
i got most of the samples by promising first that i wouldn't post their indivudal results publically and just use them for the averages.
i showed the individual samples and gedmatch kit Nos only to Lucas, so he can know they are real. because there really were some fake results circulating around.
I do the same obviously. I don't disclose names and personal details. A good chunk of my kits are not on GEDmatch. But there is no harm in posting the results. Those are just some random numbers. Nobody can be identified based on them.
Ion Basescul
10-10-2020, 06:50 PM
Many individual results have already been posted on various threads. Vbnetkhio has also mentioned the number of samples he has for every average, as well as the highest and lowest values of specific components that he found. Is a massive chart showcasing every single individual result really necessary?
Of course, you can see what's typical and what isn't. This is especially useful for regions that have few samples, as a couple of outliers can dramatically affect the average.
I do the same obviously. I don't disclose names and personal details. A good chunk of my kits are not on GEDmatch. But there is no harm in posting the results. Those are just some random numbers. Nobody can be identified based on them.
How do you treat mixed Moldovans, Romanians? I mean people with 2 or more ancestral counties.
Ion Basescul
10-10-2020, 07:00 PM
How do you treat mixed Moldovans, Romanians? I mean people with 2 or more ancestral counties.
Chisinau and Bucharest
Mingle
10-10-2020, 07:05 PM
Of course, you can see what's typical and what isn't. This is especially useful for regions that have few samples, as a couple of outliers can dramatically affect the average.
The majority of individual samples have been posted here, nobody has any malicious reason to hide anything. They just haven't been shown in a single table. Although they were showcased in PCAs before.
If you want to see them all together in one table, then you can just ask for that instead of slandering someone by accusing them of manipulating results without any proof. There was one case of a user that did that, but he wasn't affiliated with vbnetkhio. He was actually shamed on this forum for that, with results compiled by him being rejected.
Ion Basescul
10-10-2020, 07:08 PM
The majority of individual samples have been posted here, nobody has any malicious reason to hide anything. They just haven't been shown in a single table. Although they were showcased in PCAs before.
If you want to see them all together in one table, then you can just ask for that instead of slandering someone by accusing them of manipulating results without any proof. There was one case of a user that did that, but he wasn't affiliated with vbnetkhio. He was actually shamed on this forum for that, with results compiled by him being rejected.
I am not going to parse the forum for that. But this is exactly why I have trust issues with users from Western Balkans. That guy was also a Serb, right?
vbnetkhio
10-10-2020, 07:18 PM
I do the same obviously. I don't disclose names and personal details. A good chunk of my kits are not on GEDmatch. But there is no harm in posting the results. Those are just some random numbers. Nobody can be identified based on them.
you are probably right, but i already promised them.
you could message a bunch of Serbs with a differently formulated message (and also Croats and Bosniaks, to solve the question) like you did for the Bulgarians. i'm sure you'll arrive to similar results as i did.
the Serb range and average being around the values currently on Vahaduo was confirmed on 6 independent samples:
1)academic samples
2)a dozen of Serbian users from Poreklo forum
3)a dozen of Serbian users from anthrogenica
4)a dozen of Serbian users from apricity
5)69 samples from macure.net
6)around 200 of my samples
all have a similar k13 average and range.
Ion Basescul
10-10-2020, 07:28 PM
you are probably right, but i already promised them.
you could message a bunch of Serbs with a differently formulated message (and also Croats and Bosniaks, to solve the question) like you did for the Bulgarians. i'm sure you'll arrive to similar results as i did.
the Serb range and average being around the values currently on Vahaduo was confirmed on 6 independent samples:
1)academic samples
2)a dozen of Serbian users from Poreklo forum
3)a dozen of Serbian users from anthrogenica
4)a dozen of Serbian users from apricity
5)69 samples from macure.net
6)around 200 of my samples
all have a similar k13 average and range.
I have more trust in you than the average Balkan user, so I don't question you directly, but just the general populace that works on Balkan results. You already proved that to me when I stumbled independently on the Lika Serbs kits and we both arrived at the same average separately.
Can you, or anyone else who knows, tell me who of the below are actual Serbs from Serbia rather than being from Bosnia (yes, Republica Srpska is in Bosnia) and Croatia? If anyone knows the regions too, then that will also help.
Dušan
Ford
Commonsense
Decius
Dick
Tschaikisten
Emziepiex3
Moje_ime
Devil's_advocate
Aye's_father
Ikol
YupYup
vbn
Morlak
TieRed
lilalila1988
CTPAXOTA
emziepiex3_mom
emziepiex3_friend
TieRed_grandma
Milenko
vbnetkhio
10-10-2020, 07:34 PM
I have more trust in you than the average Balkan user, so I don't question you directly, but just the general populace that works on Balkan results. You already proved that to me when I stumbled independently on the Lika Serbs kits and we both arrived at the same average separately.
Can you, or anyone else who knows, tell me who of the below are actual Serbs from Serbia rather than being from Bosnia (yes, Republica Srpska is in Bosnia) and Croatia? If anyone knows the regions too, then that will also help.
Serbia
lilalila1988 - Niš
CTPAXOTA - Šumadija
Milenko - Vojvodina
Croatia
Dušan
Decius
Aye's_father
TieRed
TieRed_grandma
Bosnia
Ford
Ikol
emziepiex3_mom
mix
Commonsense
Tschaikisten
Dick
Moje_ime
Emziepiex3
Devil's_advocate
vbn
Morlak
unknown
emziepiex3_friend
YupYup
Abriekman
10-10-2020, 08:03 PM
Okay, I'll post him. He is very Southern, I thought he was some type of Rumyn/Moldovan because the region has them too but then I learned he was from a Bulgarian village. His grandchildren are pretty much Russian though, totally assimilated.
My Bulgarian ancestor also was from Ukraine. He lived in Vilshanka, central-south part of Ukraine. 25% of population are Bulgarians there
CommonSense
10-10-2020, 09:03 PM
Serbia
lilalila1988 - Niš
CTPAXOTA - Šumadija
Milenko - Vojvodina
Croatia
Dušan
Decius
Aye's_father
TieRed
TieRed_grandma
Bosnia
Ford
Ikol
emziepiex3_mom
mix
Commonsense
Tschaikisten
Dick
Moje_ime
Emziepiex3
Devil's_advocate
vbn
Morlak
unknown
emziepiex3_friend
YupYup
I wouldn't personally include her. Her paternal grandmother was German (!), plus her father had some other foreign ancestry as well.
I have more trust in you than the average Balkan user, so I don't question you directly, but just the general populace that works on Balkan results.
You are incredibly arrogant and annoying. This is not first time you have been attacking Vbn without any justification. Get off your high horse.
Because we can have equal trust issues with you. I don't, but we for example do no include results of minorities in our database like you do.
There is only one user who has been posing fake results, he was caught and shamed. All other users (from Macedonia, Serbia, Kaspias, Mingle etc) have been making averages best they can.
Don't act like you are above Balkan users, because you are not. And you don't want to be judged by Moldovan imbecile on this forum (IncelSlayer). Nobody gives a damn HungryLion was a Serb, he's gone.
And attacking other honorable people because of him is disgusting.
Ion Basescul
10-11-2020, 09:02 AM
You are incredibly arrogant and annoying. This is not first time you have been attacking Vbn without any justification. Get off your high horse.
Because we can have equal trust issues with you. I don't, but we for example do no include results of minorities in our database like you do.
There is only one user who has been posing fake results, he was caught and shamed. All other users (from Macedonia, Serbia, Mingle etc) have been making averages best they can.
Don't act like you are above Balkan users, because you are not. And you don't want to be judged by Moldovan imbecile on this forum (IncelSlayer). Nobody gives a damn HungryLion was a Serb, he's gone.
And attacking other honorable people because of him is disgusting.
IncelSlayer is not Moldovan. The only persons from Moldova on this forum are me, Aspirin and the departed Daos and ZmeyGorynych.
Minorities are kept under separate categories in my database. The only exception is Chisinau, where 1/4 and 1/2 mixed minorities are included, due to the realities of the capital.
With that said, I have my reasons to be skeptical. For example, the Bulgarian averages were trash and when I asked to look closer at them, the problem was immediately clear. And people were not shy to draw conclusions based on those weak averages.
Why do I not say the same about Dunai, Kaspias or Creoda? Because they are not nationalistic nutters ready to destroy others. Due to that, logically, they don't have any complexes and insecurities, which will add bias when they make averages. Vbn has been different and trustworthy for now, for reasons that I've already mentioned.
What about you though? Care to explain why user knez's profile is so rare in Croatia? Is it rare or are the averages weak?
IncelSlayer is not Moldovan. The only persons from Moldova on this forum are me, Aspirin and the departed Daos and ZmeyGorynych.
Minorities are kept under separate categories in my database. The only exception is Chisinau, where 1/4 and 1/2 mixed minorities are included, due to the realities of the capital.
With that said, I have my reasons to be skeptical. For example, the Bulgarian averages were trash and when I asked to look closer at them, the problem was immediately clear. And people were not shy to draw conclusions based on those weak averages.
Why do I not say the same about Dunai, Kaspias or Creoda? Because they are not nationalistic nutters ready to destroy others. Due to that, logically, they don't have any complexes and insecurities, which will add bias when they make averages. Vbn has been different and trustworthy for now, for reasons that I've already mentioned.
What about you though? Care to explain why user knez's profile is so rare in Croatia? Is it rare or are the averages weak?
Ofcourse he is Moldovan, Moldovans also live in Romania. Deal with it.
We were unsatisfied with Bulgarian averages, not because samples were fake but because Kaspias chose to make them based on city instead on regions and thus they were not very representative due to extremelly low sample size (sometimes even 1).
I see that has been corrected. Vbn already organised them better but he is polite and didn't want to replace old ones before Kaspias approval.
Which users you have issues with? Name them. If you have a issue with somebody name him instead of cowardly hiding between some general label.
What about you though? Care to explain why user knez's profile is so rare in Croatia? Is it rare or are the averages weak?
There is nothing to explain and I don't owe you any explanation just like I don't ask for explanations for your averages but I'll answer just for sake of it.
His profile is "rare" because of his extremely low North Atlantic. He is only Croat so far we have with West Med being higher than North Atlantic. His other values are usual and he falls in Croatian range.
Don't you worry about my averages, they are pretty good especially for southern Croats for who we use combined academic samples and user samples, and those we have more than from northern Croats.
I don't make my averages, Vbn makes them for me and we togheder collect samples + Commonsense and Hrvoje have helped with a few.
I work with people who I trust, but not with arrogant morons.
Ion Basescul
10-11-2020, 09:29 AM
Ofcourse he is Moldovan, Moldovans also live in Romania. Deal with it.
We were unsatisfied with Bulgarian averages, not because samples were fake but because Kaspias chose to make them based on city instead on regions and thus they were not very representative due to extremelly low sample size (sometimes even 1).
I see that has been corrected. Vbn already organised them better but he is polite and didn't want to replace old ones before Kaspias approval.
Which users you have issues with? Name them. If you have a issue with somebody name him instead of cowardly hiding between some general label.
There is nothing to explain and I don't owe you any explanation just like I don't ask for explanations for your averages but I'll answer just for sake of it.
His profile is "rare" because of his extremely low North Atlantic. He is only Croat so far we have with West Med being higher than North Atlantic. His other values are usual and he falls in Croatian range.
Don't you worry about my averages, they are pretty good especially for southern Croats for who we use combined academic samples and user samples, and those we have more than from northern Croats.
I don't make my averages, Vbn makes them for me and we togheder collect samples + Commonsense and Hrvoje have helped with a few.
I work with people who I trust, but not with arrogant morons.
Nope, the ethnicity doesn't matter at all. We are from 2 separate countries. There are cultural peculiarities in both, even if the ethnicity is the same.
Most people really. I don't intend to give names, as I'm not interested in your Balkan squabbles and vendettas. I am not as fiery. I simply expressed my opinion, which I am fully entitled to.
Just go back and look at how you people communicate. When a Serb/Croat/Bosniak that is more Southern is posted then immediately people speculate about Albanian/Vlach admixture. When a more Northern Serb/Croat/Bosniak is posted that falls into Ukrainian range and is even more atypical than the prior, people start talking about medieval South Slavic profiles. Nobody even dares to assume foreign admixture and these things should be questioned and verified thoroughly. That's why I can't help but laugh at this circus. And I ponder that if these things happen in public, where everyone sees them, then anything could happen in private, because of how your brains are wired.
I guess I'll never know for certain, unless I start working on these ethnicities myself. But I am not interested in them, so I will give you all the benefit of the doubt.
I forgot user Moro, author of PH908 blog. He is mainly collecting Istrian samples and testing people there because it's his homeregion.
This is sample size last average has been made of:
Bosnia 10
West Bosnia 11
Dalmatia 24
Gorski Kotar 24
Herzegovina 30
Istria_Kvarner 9
Slavonia 7
Lika_Senj 12
Central 7
Zagorje 8
Nope, the ethnicity doesn't matter at all. We are from 2 separate countries. There are cultural peculiarities in both, even if the ethnicity is the same.
Most people really. I don't intend to give names, as I'm not interested in your Balkan squabbles and vendettas. I am not as fiery. I simply expressed my opinion, which I am fully entitled to.
Learn your place, eastern European. You don't have moral high ground. And you include minorities in your averages. Better remain quiet.
Just go back and look at how you people communicate. When a Serb/Croat/Bosniak that is more Southern is posted then immediately people speculate about Albanian/Vlach admixture. When a more Northern Serb/Croat/Bosniak is posted that falls into Ukrainian range and is even more atypical than the prior, people start talking about medieval South Slavic profiles. Nobody even dares to assume foreign admixture and these things should be questioned and verified thoroughly. That's why I can't help but laugh at this circus. And I ponder that if these things happen in public, where everyone sees them, then anything could happen in private, because of how your brains are wired.
No. I have only seen that with Serbs results, and only with user Pribislav, who has complexes about southern shifted Serbs. Nobody else ever did anything similar.
Just STFU and learn to behave, because you don't want to be looked down by us as eastern European. If you want fair treatment, give one back.
I guess I'll never know for certain, unless I start working on these ethnicities myself. But I am not interested in them, so I will give you all the benefit of the doubt.
Ahaha. You know what - I'll just tell you to politely fuck off to whatever eastern european hole you come from.
MandM
10-11-2020, 09:43 AM
Is not pazar what his name also Serb from Serbia?
Dušan
10-11-2020, 09:50 AM
I have more trust in you than the average Balkan user, so I don't question you directly, but just the general populace that works on Balkan results. You already proved that to me when I stumbled independently on the Lika Serbs kits and we both arrived at the same average separately.
Can you, or anyone else who knows, tell me who of the below are actual Serbs from Serbia rather than being from Bosnia (yes, Republica Srpska is in Bosnia) and Croatia? If anyone knows the regions too, then that will also help.
Dušan
Ford
Commonsense
Decius
Dick
Tschaikisten
Emziepiex3
Moje_ime
Devil's_advocate
Aye's_father
Ikol
YupYup
vbn
Morlak
TieRed
lilalila1988
CTPAXOTA
emziepiex3_mom
emziepiex3_friend
TieRed_grandma
Milenko
Why is it important?
I live in Serbia, like most of Serbs of Croatia.
My closest people by autosomal genetics on K13 calculator on all forum, are vbnetkhio whose origin are from Croatia and Montenegro, and СТРАХОТА who is from Central Serbia.
So regional differences are unnoticable.
Why is it important?
I live in Serbia, like most of Serbs of Croatia.
My closest people by autosomal genetics on K13 calculator on all forum, are vbnetkhio whose origin are from Croatia and Montenegro, and СТРАХОТА who is from Central Serbia.
So regional differences are unnoticable.
This is how you score compared to regional averages, no need to be ashamed of it.
Distance to: Dušan
4.31621362 Bosniak_Krajina
4.37420850 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
4.62440266 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.79099155 Bosniak_Sarajevo
4.89813230 Serb_B&H
5.22174300 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
5.39861093 Croat_B&H
5.39962036 Moldova_North
5.41791473 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
5.41878215 Bosniak
5.70504163 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.74551129 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
5.76347118 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.78599170 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
5.81430993 Moldova_Centre
5.82325510 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
5.95641671 Romania_Maramures
5.96189567 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
6.02304740 Moldova_average
6.07526954 Serb
6.10738078 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.17153141 Serb_Serbia
6.28203789 Serb
6.33258241 Serb_Croatia
6.40011719 Serb_Croatia_Lika
Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.4672% / 2.46719225 | ADC: 0.25x
71.2 Serb_B&H_Krajina
13.2 Erzya
11.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
4.6 Sardinia
MandM
10-11-2020, 09:55 AM
I dont know if its true, but I read somewere, that Serbs from diffrent placecs of ex yu have a litle diffrences, let say that serbs are closer to croatians then serbian bosnians and son on for an exemplet,dont remeber where will try to find it, am no expert on the subjekt, so dont get mad, just what I read
Dušan
10-11-2020, 10:01 AM
This is how you score compared to regional averages, no need to be ashamed of it.
Distance to: Dušan
4.31621362 Bosniak_Krajina
4.37420850 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
4.62440266 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.79099155 Bosniak_Sarajevo
4.89813230 Serb_B&H
5.22174300 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
5.39861093 Croat_B&H
5.39962036 Moldova_North
5.41791473 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
5.41878215 Bosniak
5.70504163 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.74551129 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
5.76347118 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.78599170 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
5.81430993 Moldova_Centre
5.82325510 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
5.95641671 Romania_Maramures
5.96189567 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
6.02304740 Moldova_average
6.07526954 Serb
6.10738078 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.17153141 Serb_Serbia
6.28203789 Serb
6.33258241 Serb_Croatia
6.40011719 Serb_Croatia_Lika
Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.4672% / 2.46719225 | ADC: 0.25x
71.2 Serb_B&H_Krajina
13.2 Erzya
11.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
4.6 Sardinia
Off course when Bosnian Muslims and Herzegovinian Croats have Serb origin, who converted to islam and catholicism.
But I dont care for them.
Off course when Bosnian Muslims and Herzegovinian Croats have Serb origin, who converted to islam and catholicism.
But I dont care for them.
Whatever helps you sleep at night xD :laugh:
BTW, if your ancestors hail from eastern Herzegovina, they are orthodox converts. Genetics is a bitch.
Dušan
10-11-2020, 10:17 AM
Whatever helps you sleep at night xD
You should be informed that early medieval Serbia was more western than todays one.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Serbia960AD.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/20070716111140%21Serb_lands_old_ver.png/540px-20070716111140%21Serb_lands_old_ver.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Central_and_Eastern_Europe_around_950_AD.png
That is historical fact. Deal with it.
You should be informed that early medieval Serbia was more western than todays one.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Serbia960AD.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/20070716111140%21Serb_lands_old_ver.png/540px-20070716111140%21Serb_lands_old_ver.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Central_and_Eastern_Europe_around_950_AD.png
That is historical fact. Deal with it.
I didn't say you aren't a Serb, but I said you have Catholic ancestors and if they didn't convert to Orthodoxy you wouldn't be a Serb today. What were they ethnically beside Slavic is a speculation.
BTW, small Adriatic Sclavinias were not part of Serbia except in Serbian historiography, ofcourse.
DAI says they were inhabited by Serbs, but DAI also says medieval Serbia was almost completely depopulated during Bulgarian conquest and later repopulated from other regions.
Castor
10-11-2020, 10:23 AM
Off course when Bosnian Muslims and Herzegovinian Croats have Serb origin, who converted to islam and catholicism.
But I dont care for them.
Agree, Herzegovinian "Croats" they are quite different from Croats from Croatia, but they are quite close to Serbs in genetic and mentality.
Dušan
10-11-2020, 10:26 AM
I didn't say you aren't a Serb, but I said you have Catholic ancestors and if they didn't convert to Orthodoxy you wouldn't be a Serb today. What were they ethnically beside Slavic is a speculation.
BTW, small Adriatic Sclavinias were not part of Serbia except in Serbian historiography, ofcourse.
DAI says they were inhabited by Serbs, but DAI also says medieval Serbia was almost completely depopulated during Bulgarian conquest and later repopulated from other regions.
No, I don't have any non-Orthodox ancestors.
What was Serbia in early medieval age is showed in that maps above. Deal with it.
Dušan
10-11-2020, 10:27 AM
Agree, Herzegovinian "Croats" they are quite different from Croats from Croatia, but they are quite close to Serbs in genetic and mentality.
Off course. Croats from Croatia hate them because of Hercegovci remind them on Serbs.
Castor
10-11-2020, 10:32 AM
Off course. Croats from Croatia hate them because of Hercegovci remind them on Serbs.
And they are more Anti-Islamic, unlike Croats from Croatia.
Take a look at this "Croat" from Herzegovina, whenever i read his name and surname i laugh.
https://bnn.ba/sites/default/files/dragan-covic-hdzbih.jpg
People like him (Phenotype) can be seen in Montenegro, Serbia and Republic of Srpska, but they are rare in Croatia. I bet he have Serbian ancestors.
No, I don't have any non-Orthodox ancestors.
What was Serbia in early medieval age is showed in that maps above. Deal with it.
Spare me your fantasy please. Zahumlje changed rulers several times, it was ruled both by Croat and Serb princes and by it's own indipendent Princes. Travunija has similar history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachlumia
When the Serbian state began to expand to the west,
the original Catholic area of eastern Herzegovina was already at the end of the 12th century captured
the first wave of the imposition of Orthodoxy. The first wave of Orthodoxy is stronger
manifested in the so-called. Upper Herzegovina, ie. area of Nevesinje, Gacko, Bileća and
Kalinovnik, and Tribunija (the area around today's Trebinje) . In Popovo
however, Orthodoxy began to spread to a considerable extent only after the Ottoman occupation.
Immediately after the conquest of most of Herzegovina, the Ottomans compiled a list
population. According to the census of 1475 - 1477, they are mentioned in southwestern Popovo
settlements Orahovi Do (23 families), Velja Vas (21 families and 4 singles), Zavala (15
families and 2 singles), Ravno (12 families and 2 singles), Čvaljina (9 families and 1 single),
Cicrina (2 families) and Dvrsnica (2 families). Probably that part of Popov
belonged to the uninhabited village Poljičani (10 families and 2 singles), and is also mentioned
abandoned settlement Turkovići (Aličić 1985: 486–497).
It is interesting that from
of today's larger pop villages does not mention Trebinlje, which could mean that
at that time it was not yet under Ottoman control. It is the southwestern part of Popovo
the period just after the Ottoman occupation could have had about 850 inhabitants,
but according to the large increase in the population of the Republic of Dubrovnik in the 15th century. i
the fact that in Lower Herzegovina, according to the census from 1475 to 1477, 35.2
% of abandoned settlements, it is easy to conclude that a good part of Popovac emigrated just now
to the Dubrovnik area (cf. Krešić 2010: 123). In deserted villages (primarily
neighboring Lug and Boban) inhabited by the Vlach population, and the expansion is
Orthodoxy in Popovo was also contributed by the construction of a monastery in Zavala a little earlier
1514. In addition, the Ottomans themselves passed strict laws against Catholics in 1516.
Thus in 1516 a law was passed to demolish all the Catholic churches built before
capture of Herzegovina and to destroy all crosses placed along the roads
(Šabanović 1950: 165). The position of the Orthodox was under Ottoman rule
much more favorable also because the Serbian Orthodox Church collected taxes
for the Ottomans and Catholics had to pay significantly higher amounts.
The Ottomans showed somewhat greater tolerance towards the Orthodox because it is read
the Orthodox hierarchy (including the Patriarch of Constantinople) was under
their rule, while the popes often sought to incite anti-Ottoman rule
military action. The Uskok incursions of 1538 and 1584 also thinned the Catholic
population in Popovo. From historical sources we learn about the incursions on Trebimlje,
Velju Među, Ravno and Orahovi Do, and according to tradition, they are in Uskok attacks
completely devastated Doljani, Velja Sela and Golokordići. At the beginning of the 17th century. Popovo
it embraces a second and even stronger wave of post-Orthodoxism.
Bishop Dominic
Andrijašević reports in 1627 that 360 families from Popovo converted to Orthodoxy,
3 From historical sources we learn that Catholicism persisted in these areas a few more
century. Thus the Capuchin Fr. Bernardin Pomazanić in 1530 testified about how it was in a village
between Bileća and Gacko he met former "Latins" and how women in Gacko prayed to him
to bless their religious objects (Bazilije Pandžić 1959: 31). In addition, the Orthodox in
Berkovići we find the surname Ŕntunović, and as St. Antun Padovanski lived 1195 - 1231. (a
it is hard to believe that the surname is a reflection of the worship of St. Anthony of Egypt because the confirmation of the Christian
the name Antun in the Serbian anthroponymic system is not found in the Decani Chrysostoms, and
in Croats we find the first confirmation from the 13th century), it is clear that the surname is a reflection of the Catholic presence in
parts of eastern Herzegovina where there are almost no Catholics today.
How 7 out of 12 priestly Catholic churches passed into Orthodox hands and how
believers from Dubrava and Podveležje (about 250 families) have not been for 10-12 years
see a Catholic priest. It is only in Dračevo and Dubljani in Gornji
In 1645, as many as 60 families converted to Orthodoxy, and in Žurovići 15 families (Draganović
1937: 27–28). What the situation was like in some villages is most eloquently said by two
lists of Catholic believers from 1624 and 1639. From them it is evident that the number of Catholics
in Dubljani, Čvaljina and Kijevo Do in just 15 years decreased as much as three times.4
From the same census it is evident that, in spite of the unfavorable circumstances, the number of Catholics
in Bobani, Žurovići and the surroundings of Trebinje is still significant (in 1624 in
About 230 Catholics lived in Trebinje and its immediate surroundings; cf. Jačov 1983: 401).
At the end of the 17th century, with constant migrations to the Dubrovnik area, large
part of Popovac is moving towards the Neretva region. According to Catholic data
matica neretvanskih župa it is evident that Catholics lived in that period and
in the villages of Grmljani, Poljice, Diklići, Žakovo and Šćenica, which in the last 300
years inhabited exclusively by Orthodox people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Trebinje%E2%80%93Mrkan
It is the oldest and smallest Catholic diocese of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Established 984
Castor
10-11-2020, 10:37 AM
Croats with the help of Vatican Catholize Serbs and then turned them into "Croats".
Abriekman
10-11-2020, 10:38 AM
Can someone tell me how to differ Bulgarian from Bulgarian Turk genetically?
I do not know much about my Bulgarian ancestor, but he was from area where 50-75% population were Turks
Dušan
10-11-2020, 10:38 AM
I dont know if its true, but I read somewere, that Serbs from diffrent placecs of ex yu have a litle diffrences, let say that serbs are closer to croatians then serbian bosnians and son on for an exemplet,dont remeber where will try to find it, am no expert on the subjekt, so dont get mad, just what I read
Differences are minimal.
There are much bigger regional differences among Croats - Herzegovinians (like member Insuperable) cluster with Serbs, and NortWest kajkavian Croats (like member ph2ter) are in same cluster with Czechs!
Off course. Croats from Croatia hate them because of Hercegovci remind them on Serbs.
Mentally they are, but not because they are Serbs but because both of you lived under Ottoman Empire and have Balkan mentality/customs.
Still, not identical, I find Herzegovina Croats even more rigid and hard core nationalist than Serbs. They are also more religious.
Croats with the help of Vatican Catholize Serbs and then turned them into "Croats".
Problem is that far more Catholics became Orthodox in the past than the opposite. Like in eastern Herzegovina.
In medieval and post medieval times Catholicism lost tons of people to Serbian Orthodoxy and Islam.
Orthodox converted to Greek-Catholicism only in Žumberak, few villages elsewehere and during WW2.
Which is how once majority Catholic Bosnia came to 15% Catholic today.
Montenegro was also Catholic, except Sandžak, unfortunately for you.
Agree, Herzegovinian "Croats" they are quite different from Croats from Croatia, but they are quite close to Serbs in genetic and mentality.
Distance to: Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
0.96119717 Bosniak_Sarajevo
1.57337217 Croat_B&H
1.77761076 Bosniak
1.94141701 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
2.06077655 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
2.21652882 Serb_B&H
2.26000000 Bosniak_Krajina
2.27407124 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
2.47590388 Romania_Moldavia_North
2.59364608 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
2.71125432 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
2.74218891 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
2.86059434 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner
2.92960748 Serb_B&H_Krajina
3.27122301 Serb_Croatia
3.37146852 Moldova_North
3.44660703 Moldova_Centre
3.52173253 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.52668399 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
3.53553391 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
3.53889813 Romania_Maramures
3.63810390 Serb
3.64181274 Moldova_average
3.76982758 Serb_Croatia_Lika
3.78511559 Serb
They cluster with other populations from BiH regardless of ethnic affiliation and southern Croats.
MandM
10-11-2020, 10:49 AM
Differences are minimal.
There are much bigger regional differences among Croats - Herzegovinians (like member Insuperable) cluster with Serbs, and NortWest kajkavian Croats (like member ph2ter) are in same cluster with Czechs!
Found it, im just goda copy paste the text
Claim 11: Serbs are all the same, regardless of whether we live in Serbia or not
Slavic Chronicles uses data from the Serbian DNA Project to conclude that Serbs from Bosnia or Croatia are around 81.5% similar to those from Serbia. So are Serbians more similar to regular Croats than to Serbs in Croatia?
There’s an interesting explanation on offer. The areas within Bosnia and Croatia where Serbs were tested for DNA coincided with the areas that Serbs first settled in the Balkans during the 7th-10th centuries, namely Rascia (modern-day Bosnia and modern-day Raška region in Serbia) and three quarters of what is now Dalmatia.
When Serbs moved to modern day Serbia they (eventually) mingled with the existing inhabitants and adopted more of their Balkan traits. In the meantime, the gene pool of these Serbs within Bosnia and Croatia stayed closer to that older migration.
Differences are minimal.
There are much bigger regional differences among Croats - Herzegovinians (like member Insuperable) cluster with Serbs, and NortWest kajkavian Croats (like member ph2ter) are in same cluster with Czechs!
I do think Serbs are more homogenous than Croats, data shows that. However, Montenegrins and Bosnian Serbs are far from identical.
And you should be more honest when using people - both are cherrypicked.
Anđelko clusters with Czechs before Zagorje Croat average and Insuperable does not cluster with Herzegovina Croat average but rather with Montenegrins based on what he said about his genetic results.
Dušan
10-11-2020, 10:56 AM
Found it, im just goda copy paste the text
Slavic Chronicles uses data from the Serbian DNA Project to conclude that Serbs from Bosnia or Croatia are around 81.5% similar to those from Serbia. So are Serbians more similar to regular Croats than to Serbs in Croatia?
Claim 11: Serbs are all the same, regardless of whether we live in Serbia or not
Slavic Chronicles uses data from the Serbian DNA Project to conclude that Serbs from Bosnia or Croatia are around 81.5% similar to those from Serbia. So are Serbians more similar to regular Croats than to Serbs in Croatia?
There’s an interesting explanation on offer. The areas within Bosnia and Croatia where Serbs were tested for DNA coincided with the areas that Serbs first settled in the Balkans during the 7th-10th centuries, namely Rascia (modern-day Bosnia and modern-day Raška region in Serbia) and three quarters of what is now Dalmatia.
When Serbs moved to modern day Serbia they (eventually) mingled with the existing inhabitants and adopted more of their Balkan traits. In the meantime, the gene pool of these Serbs within Bosnia and Croatia stayed closer to that older migration.
Similarity is 90%.
And bolded is what I said, where was early medieval Serbia.
The other thing is that today there are huge number of marriages of Serbs from different regions. Nearly all my cousins who got married in last 30 years, married with local Serbs from Serbia.
So these little differences will be gone in next generation.
I would like to there be promotion by government of these marriages east-west, north-south etc, so all differences disapeare in one generation.
and three quarters of what is now Dalmatia.
Serbs never settled 3/4 of modern Dalmatia lmao, they are only said to settle southern Dalmatia. Rascia was not Bosnia. But it says Bosnia (not in modern sense) was part of Serbia.
Those claims are disputed, as political rule does not equal origin of population and there were other Slavic tribes in the area besides Serbs and Croats.
For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narentines
Prince of Zahumlje claims his origins from Vistula river and white Serbs never dwelt there.
According to DAI, Zahumlje was one of the regions settled by the Serbs from an area near Thessaloniki previously arrived there from White Serbia but Tibor Živković and Neven Budak consider that a closer reading of the source suggests that the Constantine VII's consideration about the region population ethnic identity is based on Serbian political rule and does not indicate ethnic origin. According to Živković, the area of the Vistula where the ancestors of Michael of Zahumlje originate was the place where White Croats would be expected and not White Serbs. Much of Dalmatia was sometime earlier settled by the Croats, and Zahumlje bordered their territory on the north. The historical work Historia Salonitana by Thomas the Archdeacon, when describing the reign of Croatian king Stephen Držislav in the late 10th century, notes that Duchy of Hum (Zachlumia or Chulmie) was a part of the Kingdom of Croatia, before and after Stjepan Držislav.
The other thing is that today there are huge number of marriages of Serbs from different regions. Nearly all my cousins who got married in last 30 years, married with local Serbs from Serbia.
So these little differences will be gone in next generation.
I would like to there be promotion by government of these marriages east-west, north-south etc, so all differences disapeare in one generation.
Is Belgrade already thoroughly mixed?
Dušan
10-11-2020, 11:03 AM
Is Belgrade already thoroughly mixed?
Completly.
Completly.
And what are your thoughts on absorption/assimilation of minorities in Serbia?
MandM
10-11-2020, 11:09 AM
Serbs never settled 3/4 of modern Dalmatia lmao, they are only said to settle southern Dalmatia. Rascia was not Bosnia. But it says Bosnia (not in modern sense) was part of Serbia.
Those claims are disputed, as political rule does not equal origin of population and there were other Slavic tribes in the area besides Serbs and Croats.
For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narentines
Prince of Zahumlje claims his origins from Vistula river and white Serbs never dwelt there.
Everything in are region is disputed, Croatia says one thing, Serbia says one thing, Bosna say another, then there is with in a country people say more things, thing is even if one side would have all the proof the other would never rocognize it, I think its healty we have this discussions, but I have hard time we will concvert each other, better maby just, take as many sampels as we can, build a map, and see what we get
Dušan
10-11-2020, 11:10 AM
And what are your thoughts on absorption/assimilation of minorities in Serbia?
They should remain what they are, to preserve their ethnic identity, I have no problem with that.
I am so proud of some of our minorities, such as Slovaks, Rusyns, Hungarians, Romanans.
On some other less so.
Yes, there are mixed marriages with Serbs, so eventually some of them will be assimilated.
Ion Basescul
10-11-2020, 11:13 AM
Learn your place, eastern European. You don't have moral high ground.
I do, deal with it.
Castor
10-11-2020, 11:14 AM
This how ethnic makeup of Bosnia will look if Bosnian "Croats" go back to their old indentity. ( MAP FROM 1991 )
Blue - Serbs
Green - Muslims
https://i.imgur.com/ekAeV4O.png
Ion Basescul
10-11-2020, 11:18 AM
Can someone tell me how to differ Bulgarian from Bulgarian Turk genetically?
I do not know much about my Bulgarian ancestor, but he was from area where 50-75% population were Turks
You can see Bulgarian Turks on G25 (http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm).
Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi,17.75,17.11,15.37,21.97,16.46,0.9,0.12,4.61, 5.19,0,0,0,0.53
Turk_Kardzhali-East,21.29,16.80,14.74,14.36,18.50,2.29,0.23,1.80, 5.40,2.55,1.10,0.66,0.29
Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer,15.65,18.37,15.33,17.42,17.18,3.97,0,3 .47,7.75,0.47,0,0.4,0
Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain,14.6,18.22,12.61,16.66,21.62,4.36,0.63,2.34, 8.17,0.34,0,0.42,0.04
Turk_Kardzhali-West,16.43,21.01,14.99,15.94,16.79,3.94,3.41,3.15, 3.24,0.79,0.31,0,0
Turk_Kazanlik,20.10,16.93,17.68,11.70,22.85,1.50,2 .76,1.72,3.09,0.72,0.59,0.37,0
Turk_Razgrad,21.27,22.84,14.09,12.92,19.33,1.03,2. 24,2.57,2.24,0.25,0.12,0,1.10
Turk_Sliven-Alevi,20.29,20.76,14.36,19.19,13.55,2.51,2.98,2.70 ,1.95,1.38,0,0,0.33
Turk_Dobrich,18.15,22.61,15.49,12.65,18.85,4.32,2. 72,2.17,0.35,1.73,0,0.59,0.38
Turk_Stara-Zagora,21.7,18.28,14.13,15.26,19.21,4.15,1.27,0.54 ,4.73,0.58,0,0.14,0
Turk_Targovishte,20.17,18.88,12.05,14.29,22.67,2.6 1,1.15,3.42,3.38,0.61,0.77,0,0
And these are Bulgarians
Bulgaria_average,21.80,24.15,17.82,11.65,19.51,2.4 0,0.53,0.42,0.77,0.38,0.33,0.11,0.08
Bulgaria_Northcentral,21.30,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.8 6,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.14
Bulgaria_Northeastern,22.15,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.4 4,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24,0.29,0.11,0.10
Bulgaria_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.0 5,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Bulgaria_Southcentral,21.22,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.3 2,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21,0.29,0.24,0.04
Bulgaria_Southeastern,20.13,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.4 4,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44,0.47,0.11,0.07
Bulgaria_Southwestern,22.85,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.6 8,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44,0.33,0.06,0.06
The difference lies mainly in Turks having higher values in West Asian and East Asian/Siberian components.
vbnetkhio
10-11-2020, 11:18 AM
Nope, the ethnicity doesn't matter at all. We are from 2 separate countries. There are cultural peculiarities in both, even if the ethnicity is the same.
Most people really. I don't intend to give names, as I'm not interested in your Balkan squabbles and vendettas. I am not as fiery. I simply expressed my opinion, which I am fully entitled to.
Just go back and look at how you people communicate. When a Serb/Croat/Bosniak that is more Southern is posted then immediately people speculate about Albanian/Vlach admixture. When a more Northern Serb/Croat/Bosniak is posted that falls into Ukrainian range and is even more atypical than the prior, people start talking about medieval South Slavic profiles. Nobody even dares to assume foreign admixture and these things should be questioned and verified thoroughly. That's why I can't help but laugh at this circus. And I ponder that if these things happen in public, where everyone sees them, then anything could happen in private, because of how your brains are wired.
how much do you know about the history of these areas? the western Balkans are a very isolated area compared to Moldova. 90%+ people were rural until recently and they plot in a thin elongated shaped cluster, which indicates they are a mix of just 2 groups, eartly Slavs and and local pre-Slavs. everything else is really rare.
i don't see what's controversial in discussing medieval South Slavic profiles.
I guess I'll never know for certain, unless I start working on these ethnicities myself. But I am not interested in them, so I will give you all the benefit of the doubt.
ok, but then you'll have to accept these averages, and not complain about them on every thread. i admit they are not perfect, because of a lack of samples, but they are best i can do. and i think they serve their purpose fine.
i don't plan to change them much anymore, i have negative experiences with collecting samples, people are very secretive about their results, i ain't got time for convincing them to tell me their ancestry.
Ion Basescul
10-11-2020, 11:33 AM
how much do you know about the history of these areas? the western Balkans are a very isolated area compared to Moldova. 90%+ people were rural until recently and they plot in a thin elongated shaped cluster, which indicates they are a mix of just 2 groups, eartly Slavs and and local pre-Slavs. everything else is really rare.
Republic of Moldova is the same and that doesn't change the fact that there are visible geographical gradients. The local population here urbanised mostly starting with the middle of the previous centry.
I don't believe that Serbia or Serbs in general are as homogeneous as shown.
You have Serbs like Milenko from the Northern-most point in the country score noticeably below the Serbian average. If such profiles below average exist in Vojvodina, then they should be pretty common in Belgrade and Southern & Eastern Serbia.
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Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
Milenko(Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina)
20.84
29.18
19.78
9.81
14.96
2.36
1.31
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The distribution of population in Serbia is as follows:
Šumadija and Western Serbia - 2m or 28%
Vojvodina - 1.9m or 26%
Belgrade (mutts from all over the country + minorities, like any other capital) - 1.7 millions or 24%Southern and Eastern Serbia - 1.6m or 22%
i don't see what's controversial in discussing medieval South Slavic profiles.
It's not controversial, because early Slavs are obviously more Northern compared to modern South Slavs. But it contrasts with how Serbs with Southern profiles are shunned upon, while these are raised on a pedestal. Why do you think that users like Insuperable are not posting their results? It's all related to this toxicity.
i don't plan to change them much anymore, i have negative experiences with collecting samples, people are very secretive about their results, i ain't got time for convincing them to tell me their ancestry.
I don't need you to change them, because there isn't anything better. I'd rather have you on this, than Castor, Varda or other Balkan psychopaths. I am simply raising awareness about the issues that I have with them.
Dušan
10-11-2020, 11:37 AM
But it contrasts with how Serbs with Southern profiles are shunned upon, while these are raised on a pedestal. Why do you think that users like Insuperable are not posting their results? It's all related to this toxicity.
It is lie. All results are equally respected.
Everything in are region is disputed, Croatia says one thing, Serbia says one thing, Bosna say another, then there is with in a country people say more things, thing is even if one side would have all the proof the other would never rocognize it, I think its healty we have this discussions, but I have hard time we will concvert each other, better maby just, take as many sampels as we can, build a map, and see what we get
Yes ,I agree with you.
This how ethnic makeup of Bosnia will look if Bosnian "Croats" go back to their old indentity. ( MAP FROM 1991 )
From which mental hospital did you escape from?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Bosnia_Herzegovina_Ethnic_1991.png
I am slowly losing my patience with subhuman Castor and will talk to Loki to see what can be done for his permaban.
i don't plan to change them much anymore, i have negative experiences with collecting samples, people are very secretive about their results, i ain't got time for convincing them to tell me their ancestry.
Agree. We are doing best we can and it's unpleasant job begging people for their K13 when many don't want to give it or simply ignore our asking.
Collecting samples is difficult thing and it's annoying to see when such hard work is questioned. You need to have really thick skin to do it.
Moje ime
10-11-2020, 11:53 AM
They should remain what they are, to preserve their ethnic identity, I have no problem with that.
I am so proud of some of our minorities, such as Slovaks, Rusyns, Hungarians, Romanans.
On some other less so.
Yes, there are mixed marriages with Serbs, so eventually some of them will be assimilated.
Hungarians were not minority to be proud of in the recent past.
You have Serbs like Milenko from the Northern-most point in the country score noticeably below the Serbian average. If such profiles below average exist in Vojvodina, then they should be pretty common in Belgrade and Southern & Eastern Serbia.
That is because native Vojvodina Serbs (those who aren't recent settlers) have their ancestry from southern Serbia, Kosovo and sometimes north Macedonia.
Which is why it isn't strange he plots like that and why somebody like you wouldn't be suited to do such averages, because you simply don't know history of migrations in the area.
Ion Basescul
10-11-2020, 11:56 AM
It is lie. All results are equally respected.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6352535&viewfull=1#post6352535
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6292366&viewfull=1#post6292366
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6284917&viewfull=1#post6284917
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6234320&viewfull=1#post6234320
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6315021&viewfull=1#post6315021
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6315083&viewfull=1#post6315083
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6347707&viewfull=1#post6347707
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6347714&viewfull=1#post6347714
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6347737&viewfull=1#post6347737
And there are 1001 more examples, just like there are Arabian nights.
Ion Basescul
10-11-2020, 11:59 AM
That is because native Vojvodina Serbs (those who aren't recent settlers) have their ancestry from southern Serbia, Kosovo and sometimes north Macedonia.
Which is why it isn't strange he plots like that and why somebody like you wouldn't be suited to do such averages, because you simply don't know history of migrations in the area.
You don't need to know the history to ask people where the 4 of their grandparents originate from, their ethnicities or to simply look at a genealogical tree.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I don't intend to waste my time on this trash talking all day. I'm out.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6352535&viewfull=1#post6352535
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6292366&viewfull=1#post6292366
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6284917&viewfull=1#post6284917
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6234320&viewfull=1#post6234320
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6315021&viewfull=1#post6315021
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6315083&viewfull=1#post6315083
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6347707&viewfull=1#post6347707
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6347714&viewfull=1#post6347714
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6347737&viewfull=1#post6347737
And there are 1001 more examples, just like there are Arabian nights.
You shouldn't have quoted me about that sample from Lič, Gorski kotar because everything I said was correct.
Croats from that region are indeed among lightest and most German mixed Croats and when months later I got more than 20 samples from there it confirmed what I wrote.
Average from Gorski Kotar has highest North Atlantic score out of all Croatian regions.
Distance to: Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
0.90166513 Hungarian_Budapest
1.12035709 Hungarian_Transdanubia
1.38086929 Hungarian
2.24352401 Slovenian
2.59322193 Hungarian_Alfold
2.73265439 Croat_Croatia_Central
3.11903831 Croat_Croatia
3.13937892 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
3.60401165 Croat
3.99988750 Hungarian_Northern
5.03137158 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.13407246 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.57014362 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
5.63384521 Slovak
5.87407865 Hungarian_Eastern
5.99959165 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.09589206 Moldova_North
6.18308984 Hungarian_Csango
6.25168777 Hungarian_Szekely
6.30130939 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.45396777 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.48468966 Croat_B&H
6.59647633 Czech
6.63315159 Austrian
6.64243178 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner
That sample does not represent native of the region, because it comes from Bunjevac settlement, and Bunjevci are Croats from Herzegovina.
History of Bunjevac settlement in Lič, where sample of that Starčević (typical Bunjevac surname) comes from. He is highly atypical for Gorski Kotar, but not atypical for Bunjevci/Herzegovina.
For the first time Bunjevci (49 families) came to Lič, near Fužine, 1605-1606. year, with the consent given to them 'heavy hearts', according to Julius Cikulin, by the counts of Zrinski. The reason for this is one unsuccessful rebellion from the beginning of the 17th century. Then a group of Bukovica Bunjevci, with the help of Senj border guards, settled on the Zrinski estates in Lič. An oath taken in 1605 is recorded from that time. The counts tried to bring them into the ranks of their serfs, but that did not suit these Krmpoćans who belonged to the martyrs in the area under Turkish rule, so as soldiers they enjoyed special privileges. In Lič he built a church for himself, in the place of which today stands a large cross in memory of her. The Krmpoćan families who inhabited Lič belonged to the Krmpotić group, among which the surnames Skorupović, Mikulić, Butorčić, and others are mentioned, all surnames are known. Krmpotići from the Vojnić group are also mentioned (Matijević, Galešić, Petković, Vojnović, Gudelić, Božić and the most numerous Vojnići). The third group of Krmpotićs belonged to the Sladovićs (surnames Sladović, Lovrić, Mikulić, Horčević and others). All these groups of Bunjevci who found themselves in Lič began to emphasize their Croatian name. Between 1608 and 1614, the Bunjevci from Lič, probably due to high taxes and Zrinski's attempts to turn them into their serfs, began to move towards the sea and islands. Until 1609, part of the Bunjevci, especially the Butorci, led by Perica Butorčić, left Lič, they founded new settlements between Ledenice, Lič and Kapela. The majority of Butoracs settled in the area of Krmpot, where many still live today.
Bunjevac families soon found the area in the Senj hinterland too crowded. Already at the beginning of 1627, there were new movements of Bunjevci-Krmpoćani, which headed again towards Lič. This time, Lič is inhabited by Deranje, Blaževići, Prpići, Tomići, Tomljanovići, Jovanovići (the pronunciation is different than in the Serbian surname Jovanović). Pavelić (who soon left again), Peričići, Šojati, Vukelići and today the most numerous there are Radošević and Starčević. The small Lika field, very fertile and known for growing potatoes, quickly became too crowded for them, so the people of Krmpoć soon started moving towards the sea again. Radošević and Starčević, today the most numerous inhabitants of Lič, are still there. When you listen to Bunjevac from Lič today, you can immediately recognize him by his 'I was alone', their language is of course different from the neighboring inhabitants of Fužine, or newcomers who came to Lič.
Regarding Insuperable, he obviously has mental problems. I begged him more times than I remember for his K13, he never posted it. Not my problem.
Obviously it's him who dislikes his own results, not anyone else.
MandM
10-11-2020, 12:16 PM
You don't need to know the history to ask people where the 4 of their grandparents originate from, their ethnicities or to simply look at a genealogical tree.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I don't intend to waste my time on this trash talking all day. I'm out.
From my fathers side all the way back to 1816 in the same village in vojvodina, and from my mothers side also vojvodina, and etnic serb, but I becouse my family tree interests me, this summer i went to a dont know how to say realy in english building with history archives, and birth books "maticne knjige" so he is looking in to fiding more of my ancestors
Dušan
10-11-2020, 12:23 PM
From my fathers side all the way back to 1816 in the same village in vojvodina, and from my mothers side also vojvodina, and etnic serb, but I becouse my family tree interests me, this summer i went to a dont know how to say realy in english building with history archives, and birth books "maticne knjige" so he is looking in to fiding more of my ancestors
Are you from Srem, Banat or Bačka?
vbnetkhio
10-11-2020, 12:23 PM
Republic of Moldova is the same and that doesn't change the fact that there are visible geographical gradients. The local population here urbanised mostly starting with the middle of the previous centry.
I don't believe that Serbia or Serbs in general are as homogeneous as shown.
You have Serbs like Milenko from the Northern-most point in the country score noticeably below the Serbian average. If such profiles below average exist in Vojvodina, then they should be pretty common in Belgrade and Southern & Eastern Serbia.
why do you think Vojvodina Serbs should be the most Slavic genetically? Historically, Vojvodina Serbs are a just a mix of Serbs which settled here from all other regions further south. They should represent the average Serb genetically. There are 20 other ethnic groups in Vojvodina, but afaik Serbs mixed the most with Banat Romanians, which would just pull them south. All the other ethnic groups in Vojvodina are catholic and protestant which was a big barrier for intermarrying.
the sample of 43 Lika Serbs i have ranges from 24% - 34% Baltic, average 29. i expect Vojvodina Serbs to have a similar range to this.
based on some individual Serb results from Banija (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banovina_(region)) and Mačva (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C4%8Dva_District), i expect on a larger sample the individual range here will probably be 26-36, and the average 30. These should be the most north shifted Serb regions, not Vojvodina.
on My Montenegrin sample, mostly from Podgorica, which is the southern part of the country, the range is 21-29, average 25.
based on some individual results i think the Serbs from regions like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prizren and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vranje will also have such a range and average.
all other Serbs should be in between.
Castor
10-11-2020, 12:26 PM
From which mental hospital did you escape from?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Bosnia_Herzegovina_Ethnic_1991.png
You low IQ cow, read the title of my post before you write some bullshit. It's wroten "This how ethnic makeup of Bosnia will look if Bosnian "Croats" go back to their old indentity. ( MAP FROM 1991 )"
I used Ethnic map of Bosnia from 1991 and rechanged it you stupid subhuman trash.
Dušan
10-11-2020, 12:41 PM
This is how you score compared to regional averages, no need to be ashamed of it.
This is how I score, when Herzegovina "Croats" are excluded.
Closer to general Serbian than to general Croatian average.
Closer to Serbs from Serbia than to Croats from Croatia.
Closer to southeast Serbian Serbs who are the most Balkan shifted, than to the most regions of Croatia. :coffee:
https://i.imgur.com/84khSq4.png
MandM
10-11-2020, 12:43 PM
South banat, mostly i get, mostly i get serbia or diffrent serbia regions, Montenegro,and macedonia, on gedmatch, and vahadou, but I also got Romania, and Bulgaria, and sometimes Bosna and croatia on my top 5, there is talk with in the family on my fathers side that we migrated up to vojvodina, and hopfuly, the man who is looking for my ancestory will find out
You low IQ cow, read the title of my post before you write some bullshit. It's wroten "This how ethnic makeup of Bosnia will look if Bosnian "Croats" go back to their old indentity. ( MAP FROM 1991 )"
I used Ethnic map of Bosnia from 1991 and rechanged it you stupid subhuman trash.
Get the hell out if here, Ape.
This is how I score, when Herzegovina "Croats" are excluded.
Closer to general Serbian than to general Croatian average.
Closer to Serbs from Serbia than to Croats from Croatia.
Closer to southeast Serbian Serbs who are the most Balkan shifted, than to the most regions of Croatia. :coffee:
https://i.imgur.com/84khSq4.png
So? Croatian general averages are weighted according to population size, and more Croats live in Panonnian parts than in dinaric Alps/south.
I never called you a Croat, I said you look typical Serb and have Serb genetics, but you are close to south Croats as is natural.
Dušan
10-11-2020, 12:54 PM
So? Croatian general averages are weighted according to population size, and more Croats live in Panonnian parts than in dinaric Alps/south.
I never called you a Croat, I said you look typical Serb and have Serb genetics, but you are close to south Croats as is natural.
South Dalmatian and Herzegovina Croats have ancient Serbian origin.
Back to the historical maps of Balkans of early medieval age.
You should be informed that early medieval Serbia was more western than todays one.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Serbia960AD.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/20070716111140%21Serb_lands_old_ver.png/540px-20070716111140%21Serb_lands_old_ver.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Central_and_Eastern_Europe_around_950_AD.png
That is historical fact. Deal with it.
Chris596
10-11-2020, 12:59 PM
This is how I score, when Herzegovina "Croats" are excluded.
Closer to general Serbian than to general Croatian average.
Closer to Serbs from Serbia than to Croats from Croatia.
Closer to southeast Serbian Serbs who are the most Balkan shifted, than to the most regions of Croatia. :coffee:
Nice! These are my results... I'm incredibly close to Serbs. At this point it's clear that my European ancestry is almost entirely South Slavic. Just like many other Hungarians have mixed with Germans, Croats, etc. On my mother's side it's almost certain that there were Serbs (ethnically) a couple hundred years ago, as I said I also found South Slavic names in the old birth certificates. One of my maternal great grandfather was born in Southeastern Hungary too, next to the Banat region.
Including only Serbian averages:
https://i.imgur.com/kvehXK3.png
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7939% / 1.79388025 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
18.2 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.0 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.0 Turk_Razgrad
0.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4 She
Dušan
10-11-2020, 01:01 PM
Nice! These are my results... I'm incredibly close to Serbs. At this point it's clear that my European ancestry is almost entirely South Slavic. Just like many other Hungarians have mixed with Germans, Croats, etc. On my mother's side it's almost certain that there were Serbs (ethnically) a couple hundred years ago, as I said I also found South Slavic names in the old birth certificates. One of my maternal great grandfather was born in Southeastern Hungary too, next to the Banat region.
Including only Serbian averages:
https://i.imgur.com/kvehXK3.png
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7939% / 1.79388025 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
18.2 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.0 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.0 Turk_Razgrad
0.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4 She
Great. I envy you on results. :p
MandM
10-11-2020, 01:04 PM
Bump
Found some new Yugoslav results. Republika Srpska-born father with grandparents from Zadar and Split-Dalmatia, Croatia, mother born in Vojvodina but with blatantly non-Serbian names.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.29
2 Baltic 27.71
3 East_Med 16.99
4 West_Med 14.61
5 West_Asian 7.01
6 Red_Sea 1.72
7 Siberian 1.3
8 Oceanian 0.36
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.97
2 Hungarian 7.34
3 Romanian 7.42
4 Moldavian 9.62
5 Austrian 9.89
6 Bulgarian 10.03
7 Croatian 10.37
8 East_German 11.79
9 West_German 14.19
10 South_Dutch 15.75
11 French 15.94
12 South_Polish 16.08
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.47
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.36
15 North_Italian 17.49
16 Ukrainian 17.49
17 North_German 18.76
18 Tuscan 19.32
19 Portuguese 19.56
20 Polish 19.88
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Hungarian + 17.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.51
2 79% Hungarian + 21% Ashkenazi @ 2.59
3 82.9% Hungarian + 17.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.78
4 82.9% Hungarian + 17.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.89
5 84.4% Hungarian + 15.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.99
6 77.8% Hungarian + 22.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.04
7 54.3% Tuscan + 45.7% Belorussian @ 3.1
8 89.5% Serbian + 10.5% Southeast_English @ 3.13
9 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Danish @ 3.17
10 84.7% Hungarian + 15.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.18
11 90.1% Serbian + 9.9% North_Dutch @ 3.21
12 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Norwegian @ 3.21
13 80.9% Hungarian + 19.1% South_Italian @ 3.22
14 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Orcadian @ 3.23
15 72.1% Hungarian + 27.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.24
16 79.1% Hungarian + 20.9% East_Sicilian @ 3.25
17 57.7% Tuscan + 42.3% Estonian @ 3.25
18 90.4% Serbian + 9.6% Swedish @ 3.26
19 89.1% Serbian + 10.9% North_German @ 3.26
20 85.9% Serbian + 14.1% West_German @ 3.26
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.06
2 Baltic 21.29
3 Atlantic 15.32
4 East_Med 13.35
5 West_Med 10.77
6 Eastern_Euro 7.44
7 West_Asian 5.24
8 Red_Sea 1.87
9 Siberian 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 7.46
2 Serbian 9.05
3 Moldavian 10.15
4 Romanian 10.3
5 Croatian 10.51
6 Austrian 10.78
7 East_German 12.15
8 Bulgarian 12.58
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.34
10 South_Polish 14.39
11 Ukrainian 14.56
12 West_German 15.16
13 South_Dutch 16.48
14 French 16.75
15 Polish 16.94
16 Greek_Thessaly 17.12
17 Southwest_Finnish 17.81
18 North_German 17.95
19 Finnish 18.33
20 Russian_Smolensk 18.38
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% Hungarian + 12.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.59
2 76.6% Hungarian + 23.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.6
3 89.8% Hungarian + 10.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.65
4 89.6% Hungarian + 10.4% Samaritan @ 5.66
5 90% Hungarian + 10% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.7
6 86.2% Hungarian + 13.8% Italian_Jewish @ 5.74
7 91.7% Hungarian + 8.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.74
8 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% South_Italian @ 5.77
9 86.9% Hungarian + 13.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.78
10 88% Hungarian + 12% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.8
11 89.9% Hungarian + 10.1% Palestinian @ 5.82
12 88.8% Hungarian + 11.2% Cyprian @ 5.83
13 83.8% Hungarian + 16.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.88
14 83.5% Hungarian + 16.5% Central_Greek @ 5.92
15 87.3% Hungarian + 12.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.94
16 90% Hungarian + 10% Jordanian @ 5.97
17 83.7% Hungarian + 16.3% Ashkenazi @ 6.02
18 89.7% Hungarian + 10.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.03
19 89.9% Hungarian + 10.1% Syrian @ 6.07
20 90.7% Hungarian + 9.3% Egyptian @ 6.1
Ion Basescul
10-11-2020, 01:12 PM
why do you think Vojvodina Serbs should be the most Slavic genetically? All the other ethnic groups in Vojvodina are catholic and protestant which was a big barrier for intermarrying.
That didn't stop a lot of declaratively unmixed Romanians from Transylvania to look like they mixed with Hungarians, when compared to those in Muntenia. I don't see why it would be any different in Serbia. But if you are saying that Vojvodina received people from the South, then I suppose that would offset this Hungarian influence.
MandM
10-11-2020, 01:20 PM
That didn't stop a lot of declaratively unmixed Romanians from Transylvania to look like they mixed with Hungarians, when compared to those in Muntenia. I don't see why it would be any different in Serbia. But if you are saying that Vojvodina received people from the South, then I suppose that would offset this Hungarian influence.
Hungsrian influence would be at the top of vojvodina, I have a friend from serbia, he is from sombor, he is half serb half hungarian
South Dalmatian and Herzegovina Croats have ancient Serbian origin.
Back to the historical maps of Balkans of early medieval age.
I doubt it, since they are not different from other southern Croats and their ydna generally has no connections with Sorbs neither with Bohemia/Saxony.
Deal with it.
Chris596
10-11-2020, 01:27 PM
By the way, how can I find out if these two components, Balkan Turks (Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi, Turk_Razgrad) represent West Asian or ,,regular'' Balkan ancestry here? I know they also have some East Asian admixture hidden in them. Are there people who get similar results on K13? Serbians, Croats, Romanians, Moldovans, and so on?
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7939% / 1.79388025 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
18.2 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.0 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.0 Turk_Razgrad
0.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4 She
Dušan
10-11-2020, 01:35 PM
I doubt it, since they are not different from other southern Croats and their ydna generally has no connections with Sorbs neither with Bohemia/Saxony.
Deal with it.
https://i.imgur.com/1btlLdQ.png
Closer to southeastern Serbs than to northwestern Croats. :D
vbnetkhio
10-11-2020, 01:41 PM
That didn't stop a lot of declaratively unmixed Romanians from Transylvania to look like they mixed with Hungarians, when compared to those in Muntenia. I don't see why it would be any different in Serbia. But if you are saying that Vojvodina received people from the South, then I suppose that would offset this Hungarian influence.
I was just saying the original Serb element in Vojvodina surely weren't the Serbs with the most Early Slav/Early Serb (and least Vlach) influence, like some would assume (just because it's geographically the northernmost region.)
The early history of Serbs in Vojvodina is very complicated, and not researched enough, the first mentions go back to the 12th century.
but i think it's safe to say most of the Serbs in Vojvodina originate from the 2 great migrations from regions further south in the 17th and 18th centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migrations_of_the_Serbs
some Hungarian influence which entered the Serbian gene pool and can't be separetd from it anymore - it's possible.
but i would need much more samples to see that. i currently have only 8 Vojvodina Serbs.
Varda
10-11-2020, 02:22 PM
Serbian woman. Her father is native of Vojvodina (Bačka), and he mother is from Kokori near Prnjavor in Bosnia (Republika Srpska).
North_Atlantic 27.36
Baltic 32.7
West_Med 15.97
West_Asian 6.47
East_Med 12.02
Red_Sea 2.68
South_Asian 0
East_Asian 0
Siberian 2.11
Amerindian 0.39
Oceanian 0.3
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0
1 Moldavian 0.529
2 Croatian 0.533
3 Hungarian 0.674
4 Serbian 0.727
5 Austrian 1.130
6 Romanian 1.180
7 East_German 1.192
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 1.219
Original post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=1258.msg130891#msg130891
https://i.imgur.com/1btlLdQ.png
Closer to southeastern Serbs than to northwestern Croats. :D
Okay, we have no problem with that. :) They are Balkan/SE European people, while Panonnian Croats are central Europeans.
Serbian woman. Her father is native of Vojvodina (Bačka), and he mother is from Kokori near Prnjavor in Bosnia (Republika Srpska).
North_Atlantic 27.36
Baltic 32.7
West_Med 15.97
West_Asian 6.47
East_Med 12.02
Red_Sea 2.68
South_Asian 0
East_Asian 0
Siberian 2.11
Amerindian 0.39
Oceanian 0.3
Northeast_African 0
Sub-Saharan 0
1 Moldavian 0.529
2 Croatian 0.533
3 Hungarian 0.674
4 Serbian 0.727
5 Austrian 1.130
6 Romanian 1.180
7 East_German 1.192
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 1.219
Original post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=1258.msg130891#msg130891
Interesting results. Even a bit of Mongoloid spice.
I typically "celebrate" Mongoloid traces in other (Eastern) Europeans not because I like it very much but because I don't feel so alone with that :roll eyes
Moje ime
10-11-2020, 02:40 PM
By the way, how can I find out if these two components, Balkan Turks (Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi, Turk_Razgrad) represent West Asian or ,,regular'' Balkan ancestry here? I know they also have some East Asian admixture hidden in them. Are there people who get similar results on K13? Serbians, Croats, Romanians, Moldovans, and so on?
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7939% / 1.79388025 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
18.2 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.0 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.0 Turk_Razgrad
0.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4 She
There is no Turkic admixture in South Slavs and Balkan. That is probably related with your Hungarian ancestry.
Dušan
10-11-2020, 02:45 PM
By the way, how can I find out if these two components, Balkan Turks (Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi, Turk_Razgrad) represent West Asian or ,,regular'' Balkan ancestry here? I know they also have some East Asian admixture hidden in them. Are there people who get similar results on K13? Serbians, Croats, Romanians, Moldovans, and so on?
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7939% / 1.79388025 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
18.2 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.0 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.0 Turk_Razgrad
0.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4 She
These two indeed have Turkic admixture. South Slavs dont have that.
Target: Turk_Razgrad
Distance: 2.2109% / 2.21090479 | ADC: 0.25x
64.0 Bulgarian
21.8 Romanian
7.6 Turkmen
3.4 Uygur
2.6 La_Brana-1
0.4 Austroasiatic_Ho
0.2 Yoruban
Target: Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
Distance: 2.4581% / 2.45811299 | ADC: 0.25x
43.6 Bulgarian
30.8 Nogay
10.8 Balkar
9.4 North_Italian
5.4 Italian_Abruzzo
Romanians-Moldovans have Turkic admixture. Not sure about Bulgarians, maybe they have some, but less than Romanians.
And ofcourse let's not forget Balkan Turks.
Varda
10-11-2020, 02:46 PM
Interesting results. Even a bit of Mongoloid spice.
I typically "celebrate" Mongoloid traces in other (Eastern) Europeans not because I like it very much but because I don't feel so alone with that :roll eyes
I have seen her photos and she look quite Slavic. She is wife of Sova (Сова) who posted her results on forum from the link.
Btw Sova's results is included in average for Vojvodinian Serbs by vbn.
Thracian
10-11-2020, 02:48 PM
By the way, how can I find out if these two components, Balkan Turks (Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi, Turk_Razgrad) represent West Asian or ,,regular'' Balkan ancestry here? I know they also have some East Asian admixture hidden in them. Are there people who get similar results on K13? Serbians, Croats, Romanians, Moldovans, and so on?
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7939% / 1.79388025 | ADC: 0.25x
63.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
18.2 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.0 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.6 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.0 Turk_Razgrad
0.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.4 She
There is no Anatolian/West Asian ancestry among Balkan Turks. You probably get them because of your tiny East Eurasian otherwise there is no possibility for you to get 1/8 Balkan Turkish ancestry.
Target: Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
Distance: 2.4700% / 2.46996822 | ADC: 0.25x
40.0 Bulgaria_Northeastern
31.8 Nogay
13.0 Greek_Western-Thrace
7.0 Balkar
3.8 Macedonian_Central
2.6 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
1.8 AostaValley
Target: Turk_Razgrad
Distance: 2.2698% / 2.26983351 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.4 Turkmen
2.8 Uygur
1.8 North_German
1.8 North-Swedish
0.8 Malay
0.4 Yoruban
I have seen her photos and she look quite Slavic. She is wife of Sova (Сова) who posted her results on forum from the link.
Btw Sova's results is included in average for Vojvodinian Serbs by vbn.
Do you have her Dodecad?
Varda
10-11-2020, 03:03 PM
Do you have her Dodecad?
Unfortunately no.
Her ancient calculator result.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102716&d=1602428628
WeirdLookingFellow
10-11-2020, 03:06 PM
Interesting results. Even a bit of Mongoloid spice.
I typically "celebrate" Mongoloid traces in other (Eastern) Europeans not because I like it very much but because I don't feel so alone with that :roll eyes
Ching Chong together stronk
Ion Basescul
10-11-2020, 03:10 PM
Romanians-Moldovans have Turkic admixture. Not sure about Bulgarians, maybe they have some, but less than Romanians.
And ofcourse let's not forget Balkan Turks.
Proper weebs
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/7sW8hVWy9GUI7dtDfxURLnYmhBcsc6TJ7KoLYh9DZWUx0Rdo4r ECv2_zu8eaZFZ9bID5lX-TWjyYfwVsYfm-Y_XnUHur5J37GajXdi03K5SgJcs-ZWuyzYMxz64
Luke35
10-11-2020, 03:17 PM
Ching Chong together stronk
Ching Chonk together stronk.
Sorry, I'm a perfectionist.
Varda
10-11-2020, 03:26 PM
Do you have her Dodecad?
Earlier I had her Dodecad in my computer, but it's disappeared (maybe I deleted by accident). If I remember well she score between 43 and 43.5 North_European.
Abriekman
10-11-2020, 03:42 PM
Romanians-Moldovans have Turkic admixture. Not sure about Bulgarians, maybe they have some, but less than Romanians.
And ofcourse let's not forget Balkan Turks.
Bulgarians Turkic East Eurasian component is 1-2%.
Bulgarians have a lot of East Med admixture similiar to Anatolian and Western Asian. Interesting from whom?????
Abriekman
10-11-2020, 03:48 PM
Unfortunately no.
Her ancient calculator result.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102716&d=1602428628
What calc is it
Varda
10-11-2020, 03:56 PM
Ojler (Velibor), Serb from Poreklo forum.
https://i.imgur.com/giYozhE.png
He posted only K15, could someone put him on the map?
Ojler's original post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=1258.msg132765#msg132765
Dušan
10-11-2020, 04:33 PM
Ojler (Velibor), Serb from Poreklo forum.
https://i.imgur.com/giYozhE.png
He posted only K15, could someone put him on the map?
Ojler's original post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=1258.msg132765#msg132765
:confused:
https://i.imgur.com/r0HRDwX.png
Varda
10-11-2020, 04:38 PM
:confused:
https://i.imgur.com/r0HRDwX.png
By y dna he belong to Mirilović clan (I2-Y3120Z17855>PH3414). I don't know about his recent origin.
Mirilovići are recorded as vlach clan (as social status) in East Herzegovina in the middle age https://i.imgur.com/sK8HQ2E.jpg
JohnnyP
10-11-2020, 04:41 PM
That is because native Vojvodina Serbs (those who aren't recent settlers) have their ancestry from southern Serbia, Kosovo and sometimes north Macedonia.
Which is why it isn't strange he plots like that and why somebody like you wouldn't be suited to do such averages, because you simply don't know history of migrations in the area.
In past, 1920/25 when was expulsion of Macedonians from Aegea Macedonia todays North Greece , hundreds of Macedonian childrens were settled in Vojvodina also Hungary , Czech , Poland, Ukraine, but most of them in Vojvodina and Croatia.
CommonSense
10-11-2020, 04:42 PM
:confused:
Ojler tested with Dante Labs. The raw data they give is incompatible with gedmatch. He had to do some digging to find a way to convert them to an acceptable format, hence the weird results:
https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=1258.msg119389#msg119389
Varda
10-11-2020, 04:54 PM
In past, 1920/25 when was expulsion of Macedonians from Aegea Macedonia todays North Greece , hundreds of Macedonian childrens were settled in Vojvodina also Hungary , Czech , Poland, Ukraine, but most of them in Vojvodina and Croatia.
There is about 7500 people in Serbia with Aagean roots, mostly in Vojvodina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_speakers_of_Greek_Macedonia
Singer Petranka Kostadinova (1948-2002) is born in Sombor (Vojvodina, Bačka) in the family of Aegean refugees.
https://youtu.be/k7ZAfbaSJtk
https://youtu.be/Mp4dRknATe0
Varda
10-11-2020, 05:39 PM
Nikac (Никац) from Poreklo.
https://i.imgur.com/Uty6yy9.png
His post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=5539.msg143320#msg143320
According to his y dna (J-M67) he originated from Cuce clan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuce
And his nick is connected with Montenegrin and Cuce history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikac_Tomanović
JohnnyP
10-11-2020, 06:08 PM
Serbian-Macedonian Woman result from Kumanovo,
Mother from Serbia with surname Trickovic, father from Macedonia/Kumanovo surname Pejcinovski
M268958 - Daughter
Population
North_Atlantic 25.16 Pct
Baltic 25.09 Pct
West_Med 18.31 Pct
West_Asian 8.24 Pct
East_Med 15.46 Pct
Red_Sea 3.69 Pct
South_Asian 0.72 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.72 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.37 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan
AL8334778 - Mother
Population
North_Atlantic 25.30 Pct
Baltic 28.00 Pct
West_Med 17.72 Pct
West_Asian 11.52 Pct
East_Med 11.97 Pct
Red_Sea 1.78 Pct
South_Asian 1.15 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.78 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.63 Pct
Northeast_African 0.98 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.16 Pct
vbnetkhio
10-11-2020, 06:10 PM
Serbian-Macedonian result from Kumanovo,
Mother from Serbia with surname Trickovic, father from Macedonia/Kumanovo surname Pejcinovski
is it confirmed, or you are just gessing based on the surnames?
i think mingle messaged her about her ancestry long ago but she didn't respond.
JohnnyP
10-11-2020, 06:15 PM
is it confirmed, or you are just gessing based on the surnames?
i think mingle messaged her about her ancestry long ago but she didn't respond.
No broski im not guessing.
Noble Cuman
10-11-2020, 06:37 PM
Bosniak from Prijedor.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.76
2 North_Atlantic 25.31
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 7.7
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 South_Asian 1.84
8 Siberian 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.38
2 Croatian 6.66
3 Serbian 8.71
4 Hungarian 9.32
5 Romanian 11.41
6 Austrian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.73
8 East_German 11.91
9 South_Polish 13.23
10 Ukrainian 13.38
11 Bulgarian 13.43
12 Polish 16.09
13 Southwest_Russian 17.38
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.5
15 West_German 18.34
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.34
17 Estonian_Polish 19.04
18 South_Dutch 19.33
19 Belorussian 19.94
20 French 20.13
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% French_Basque @ 4.05
2 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Southwest_French @ 4.1
3 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.22
4 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.26
5 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.29
6 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 4.33
7 89.3% Moldavian + 10.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.36
8 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.37
9 88.8% Moldavian + 11.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.42
10 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.45
11 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.48
12 79.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.4% Sardinian @ 4.48
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Portuguese @ 4.54
14 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.58
15 90% Moldavian + 10% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.58
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.61
17 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% French @ 4.75
18 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% North_Italian @ 4.8
19 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% South_Dutch @ 5.01
20 92.9% Moldavian + 7.1% Southwest_English @ 5.02
CommonSense
10-11-2020, 06:39 PM
Nikac (Никац) from Poreklo.
https://i.imgur.com/Uty6yy9.png
His post https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=5539.msg143320#msg143320
According to his y dna (J-M67) he originated from Cuce clan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuce
And his nick is connected with Montenegrin and Cuce history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikac_Tomanović
Did he say where he is from? His West Med score might be the highest I've seen, though vbn knows the exact stat.
vbnetkhio
10-11-2020, 06:41 PM
Did he say where he is from? His West Med score might be the highest I've seen, though vbn knows the exact stat.
the highest is 22.59, one of those Podgorica Montenegrins you found long ago
Varda
10-11-2020, 06:52 PM
Did he say where he is from? His West Med score might be the highest I've seen, though vbn knows the exact stat.
I don't know, but I guess he has recent connection with Montenegro.
The Devil's Advocate know about his origin for sure.
Castor
10-11-2020, 07:09 PM
In past, 1920/25 when was expulsion of Serbs from Aegea Macedonia todays North Greece , hundreds of Serbs childrens were settled in Vojvodina also Hungary , Czech , Poland, Ukraine, but most of them in Vojvodina and Croatia.
Мала исправка чокалијо, македонци не постоје и сам си копиле српско.
Bulgarians Turkic East Eurasian component is 1-2%.
Bulgarians have a lot of East Med admixture similiar to Anatolian and Western Asian. Interesting from whom?????
Byzantine ancestry I presume.
CommonSense
10-11-2020, 07:27 PM
Bosniak from Prijedor.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.76
2 North_Atlantic 25.31
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 7.7
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 South_Asian 1.84
8 Siberian 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.38
2 Croatian 6.66
3 Serbian 8.71
4 Hungarian 9.32
5 Romanian 11.41
6 Austrian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.73
8 East_German 11.91
9 South_Polish 13.23
10 Ukrainian 13.38
11 Bulgarian 13.43
12 Polish 16.09
13 Southwest_Russian 17.38
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.5
15 West_German 18.34
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.34
17 Estonian_Polish 19.04
18 South_Dutch 19.33
19 Belorussian 19.94
20 French 20.13
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% French_Basque @ 4.05
2 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Southwest_French @ 4.1
3 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.22
4 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.26
5 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.29
6 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 4.33
7 89.3% Moldavian + 10.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.36
8 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.37
9 88.8% Moldavian + 11.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.42
10 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.45
11 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.48
12 79.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.4% Sardinian @ 4.48
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Portuguese @ 4.54
14 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.58
15 90% Moldavian + 10% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.58
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.61
17 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% French @ 4.75
18 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% North_Italian @ 4.8
19 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% South_Dutch @ 5.01
20 92.9% Moldavian + 7.1% Southwest_English @ 5.02
Here's another one from the same municipality for comparison:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6629851&viewfull=1#post6629851
vbnetkhio
10-11-2020, 07:31 PM
Here's another one from the same municipality for comparison:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6629851&viewfull=1#post6629851
and this one too:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6210881&viewfull=1#post6210881
vbnetkhio
10-11-2020, 07:33 PM
Bosniak from Prijedor.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.76
2 North_Atlantic 25.31
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 7.7
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 South_Asian 1.84
8 Siberian 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.38
2 Croatian 6.66
3 Serbian 8.71
4 Hungarian 9.32
5 Romanian 11.41
6 Austrian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.73
8 East_German 11.91
9 South_Polish 13.23
10 Ukrainian 13.38
11 Bulgarian 13.43
12 Polish 16.09
13 Southwest_Russian 17.38
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.5
15 West_German 18.34
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.34
17 Estonian_Polish 19.04
18 South_Dutch 19.33
19 Belorussian 19.94
20 French 20.13
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% French_Basque @ 4.05
2 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Southwest_French @ 4.1
3 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.22
4 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.26
5 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.29
6 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 4.33
7 89.3% Moldavian + 10.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.36
8 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.37
9 88.8% Moldavian + 11.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.42
10 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.45
11 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.48
12 79.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.4% Sardinian @ 4.48
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Portuguese @ 4.54
14 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.58
15 90% Moldavian + 10% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.58
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.61
17 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% French @ 4.75
18 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% North_Italian @ 4.8
19 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% South_Dutch @ 5.01
20 92.9% Moldavian + 7.1% Southwest_English @ 5.02
is it confirmed? i'll add him to the Bosniak_Krajina average
Noble Cuman
10-11-2020, 07:38 PM
is it confirmed? i'll add him to the Bosniak_Krajina average
I asked him. He said he is from Bosanski Novi-Prijedor. Very close to Croatia.
vbnetkhio
10-11-2020, 07:43 PM
I asked him. He said he is from Bosanski Novi-Prijedor. Very close to Croatia.
yes, it' the Bosanska Krajina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosanska_Krajina#/media/File:Bosanska_krajina01.png) region.
could you post the unsorted k13 results?
Varda
10-11-2020, 08:04 PM
Bosniak from Prijedor.
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.76
2 North_Atlantic 25.31
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 7.7
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 South_Asian 1.84
8 Siberian 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.38
2 Croatian 6.66
3 Serbian 8.71
4 Hungarian 9.32
5 Romanian 11.41
6 Austrian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.73
8 East_German 11.91
9 South_Polish 13.23
10 Ukrainian 13.38
11 Bulgarian 13.43
12 Polish 16.09
13 Southwest_Russian 17.38
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.5
15 West_German 18.34
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.34
17 Estonian_Polish 19.04
18 South_Dutch 19.33
19 Belorussian 19.94
20 French 20.13
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% French_Basque @ 4.05
2 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Southwest_French @ 4.1
3 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.22
4 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Sardinian @ 4.26
5 87.4% Moldavian + 12.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.29
6 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sardinian @ 4.33
7 89.3% Moldavian + 10.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.36
8 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.37
9 88.8% Moldavian + 11.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.42
10 89.7% Moldavian + 10.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.45
11 89.2% Moldavian + 10.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.48
12 79.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.4% Sardinian @ 4.48
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Portuguese @ 4.54
14 89.4% Moldavian + 10.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.58
15 90% Moldavian + 10% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.58
16 90.2% Moldavian + 9.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.61
17 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% French @ 4.75
18 89.8% Moldavian + 10.2% North_Italian @ 4.8
19 90.5% Moldavian + 9.5% South_Dutch @ 5.01
20 92.9% Moldavian + 7.1% Southwest_English @ 5.02
His first 4 components are similar as of this Serb from western Bosnia 102719
Surname of this Serbian guy is Kecman, it's common surname among Serbs from Bosanski Petrovac area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosanski_Petrovac
Any samples from Dubica? Ethnicity doesn't matter
Varda
10-11-2020, 08:22 PM
Any samples from Dubica? Ethnicity doesn't matter
Dubica Serb, posted by vbn https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6552634&viewfull=1#post6552634
Dubica Serb, posted by vbn https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6552634&viewfull=1#post6552634
Thanks.
Varda
10-11-2020, 08:42 PM
Thanks.
He is orange square https://i.imgur.com/Q0CaIYv.png
Kaspias
10-11-2020, 08:45 PM
Any Gorani so far?
CommonSense
10-11-2020, 09:34 PM
Any Gorani so far?
Only a couple of Y-DNA results on the Bosniak DNA Project. Not a single autosomal one of any kind yet though.
vbnetkhio
10-11-2020, 09:36 PM
Only a couple of Y-DNA results on the Bosniak DNA Project. Not a single autosomal one of any kind yet though.
there was this result, but it isn't confirmed
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?312857-Any-Kosovo-Gorani-Gedmatch-G25-results&p=6467884&viewfull=1#post6467884
Kaspias
10-11-2020, 10:03 PM
there was this result, but it isn't confirmed
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?312857-Any-Kosovo-Gorani-Gedmatch-G25-results&p=6467884&viewfull=1#post6467884
I realized he is my match, can be from my mother's paternal line that has "Shop" surname.
Anyway, I'm going to try to contact him.
History of Bunjevac settlement in Lič, where sample of that Starčević (typical Bunjevac surname) comes from. He is highly atypical for Gorski Kotar, but not atypical for Bunjevci/Herzegovina.
Starčević from Lič was ofcourse included in Gorski Kotar average, in case somebody wonders. They live there for long time after all and are now natives. But he didn't impact it much, as other samples were considerably different from him.
CommonSense
10-11-2020, 10:41 PM
there was this result, but it isn't confirmed
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?312857-Any-Kosovo-Gorani-Gedmatch-G25-results&p=6467884&viewfull=1#post6467884
It's just an assumption because his surname was spelled in a Serbian manner (with dž). The results seem like that of a regular Albanian, while the confirmed few Y-DNA examples don't imply them to be an Albanian subgroup. I hope that user will respond.
Mingle
10-11-2020, 11:06 PM
It's just an assumption because his surname was spelled in a Serbian manner (with dž). The results seem like that of a regular Albanian, while the confirmed few Y-DNA examples don't imply them to be an Albanian subgroup. I hope that user will respond.
I contacted him well over a year ago and didn't get a reply.
Varda
10-12-2020, 08:36 AM
Interesting results. Even a bit of Mongoloid spice.
I typically "celebrate" Mongoloid traces in other (Eastern) Europeans not because I like it very much but because I don't feel so alone with that :roll eyes
Montenegrin woman (most likely) with little mongoloid.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102725&d=1602491759
Varda
10-12-2020, 09:06 AM
Bosniak (probably Sandžakian), surname Fazlić, his y dna is I2a1b.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102728&d=1602493600
TheMaestro
10-12-2020, 10:33 AM
Huge plot map would be incredible, with only Balkans showing up so you can see everything.
Huge plot map would be incredible, with only Balkans showing up so you can see everything.
This guy is close to you, as you are similar mix :)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6930750&viewfull=1#post6930750
Distance to: Zagreb(CRO/ALB)
4.57006565 Maestro(Hungarian+Albanian)
5.16675914 Cybele(Romanian)
5.25806999 TieRed_grandma(serb)
5.78951639 Fieraru(Romanian)
5.83809044 Morlak(serb)
6.13789866 Commonsense(serb)
6.21370260 Milenko(serb)
6.46857017 Decius(Serb)
7.01050640 Carpatz(romanian)
7.02561029 Ogi(montenegrin)
7.04453689 Ikol(serb)
7.11185630 YupYup(serb)
7.45611829 TieRed(Serb)
7.60501151 Vojnik(macedonian)
7.63990183 Bosniensis
7.98759663 emziepiex3_mom(Serb)
8.63761541 paradox_dad(aromanian)
8.74145869 Aye's_father(serb)
8.77192681 Nurzat(romanian/rusyn)
8.79360563 Emziepiex3(serb)
8.81410801 IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
8.85773673 Sofia(bulgarian)
8.92235395 Chris(hungarian)
9.22181652 Andre(romanian)
9.26986516 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(north_macedonia)
Varda
10-12-2020, 12:47 PM
Thanks.
This is for Leto (his favorite calculator).
Dodecad of Serb from Dubica. Siberian influence is normal here, since he carry N haplogroup according to my information.
https://theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102729&d=1602506822
This is for Leto (his favorite calculator).
Dodecad of Serb from Dubica. Siberian influence is normal here, since he carry N haplogroup according to my information.
[IMG]https://theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102729&d=1602506822
Cool results, man. If you subtract 7-8% from the Caucasus and add it to the North European you'll get a Polish person (more or less) :)
Varda
10-12-2020, 01:08 PM
Cool results, man. If you subtract 7-8% from the Caucasus and add it to the North European you'll get a Polish person (more or less) :)
On mixed mode of K13 posted by vbn on Serbian autosomal thread he got:
1 72.2% South_Polish + 27.8% Greek_Thessaly @1.72
2 61.5% South_Polish + 38.5% Bulgarian @1.74
3 55.9% Ukrainian + 44.1% Romanian @1.75
4 75.6% Ukrainian + 24.4% Italian_Abruzzo @1.89
5 58.1% Bulgarian + 41.9% Estonian @1.91
6 57.6% South_Polish + 42.4% Romanian @1.94
7 79.6% South_Polish + 20.4% South_Italian @1.94
8 53.3% Serbian + 46.7% Ukrainian @2.02
9 77.4% South_Polish + 22.6% Central_Greek @2.02
10 62% Romanian + 38% Estonian @2.02
etc.
Varda
10-12-2020, 01:17 PM
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Varda
10-12-2020, 01:18 PM
On mixed mode of K13 posted by vbn on Serbian autosomal thread he got:
1 72.2% South_Polish + 27.8% Greek_Thessaly @1.72
2 61.5% South_Polish + 38.5% Bulgarian @1.74
3 55.9% Ukrainian + 44.1% Romanian @1.75
4 75.6% Ukrainian + 24.4% Italian_Abruzzo @1.89
5 58.1% Bulgarian + 41.9% Estonian @1.91
6 57.6% South_Polish + 42.4% Romanian @1.94
7 79.6% South_Polish + 20.4% South_Italian @1.94
8 53.3% Serbian + 46.7% Ukrainian @2.02
9 77.4% South_Polish + 22.6% Central_Greek @2.02
10 62% Romanian + 38% Estonian @2.02
etc.
@Leto
Ukrainian is the best approximation for old Slavs?
@Leto
Ukrainian is the best approximation for old Slavs?
Judging by the recent Viking-era average made by Vbnet it looks so. Northern Ukrainian (Volhynia).
Kaspias
10-12-2020, 08:55 PM
there was this result, but it isn't confirmed
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?312857-Any-Kosovo-Gorani-Gedmatch-G25-results&p=6467884&viewfull=1#post6467884
He born in Djakovica and lived in Prishtina, Belgrade. Then migrated to the USA. He didn't answer the question "how do you identify?"
I would guess him as a Bosniak if I had not seen the DNA result, but you probably know better than me about the region.
Being Albanian is also would not be surprising as he had lived in Serbia, we don't know which passport he used before migrating to the USA.
Noble Cuman
10-12-2020, 09:08 PM
Serbian from Niš
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.59
2 North_Atlantic 23.16
3 East_Med 14.31
4 West_Asian 14.05
5 West_Med 13.96
6 Red_Sea 1.94
7 South_Asian 0.97
8 Oceanian 0.37
9 Sub-Saharan 0.36
10 East_Asian 0.3
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.03
2 Serbian 6.47
3 Romanian 7.46
4 Bulgarian 8.78
5 Croatian 9.09
6 Hungarian 10.69
7 Austrian 14.53
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.63
9 South_Polish 15.63
10 East_German 15.7
11 Ukrainian 16.06
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.48
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.28
14 Southwest_Russian 18.5
15 Polish 19.03
16 West_German 20.44
17 Russian_Smolensk 20.57
18 Tatar 20.88
19 Estonian_Polish 21.39
20 Belorussian 21.95
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Armenian @ 1.39
2 82.3% Croatian + 17.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 1.64
3 82.6% Croatian + 17.4% Assyrian @ 2.06
4 82.1% Croatian + 17.9% Kurdish @ 2.1
5 79.3% Croatian + 20.7% Turkish @ 2.3
6 80.5% Croatian + 19.5% Azeri @ 2.35
7 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% Armenian @ 2.46
8 88.3% Moldavian + 11.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.5
9 83.4% Croatian + 16.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.57
10 82.4% Croatian + 17.6% Iranian @ 2.57
11 73.2% South_Polish + 26.8% Armenian @ 2.63
12 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% Assyrian @ 2.64
13 88.2% Moldavian + 11.8% Kurdish @ 2.65
14 83.3% Croatian + 16.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.66
15 56.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.74
16 89.1% Moldavian + 10.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.8
17 89% Moldavian + 11% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.82
18 83.5% Croatian + 16.5% Georgian @ 2.84
19 84.3% Croatian + 15.7% Abhkasian @ 2.85
20 88.5% Moldavian + 11.5% Iranian @ 2.9
Noble Cuman
10-12-2020, 09:11 PM
Albanian from Prishtina
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.42
2 North_Atlantic 21.76
3 West_Med 19.89
4 Baltic 17.4
5 West_Asian 10.21
6 Amerindian 1.51
7 Red_Sea 1
8 Oceanian 0.88
9 South_Asian 0.69
10 East_Asian 0.23
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.27
2 Bulgarian 8.48
3 Tuscan 9.72
4 Italian_Abruzzo 9.75
5 Central_Greek 10.08
6 West_Sicilian 10.3
7 Romanian 10.34
8 East_Sicilian 11.23
9 Ashkenazi 12.25
10 North_Italian 13.2
11 South_Italian 13.62
12 Serbian 14.27
13 Italian_Jewish 18.49
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.91
15 Sephardic_Jewish 19.13
16 Moldavian 20.48
17 Portuguese 20.85
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.42
19 Hungarian 22.06
20 Spanish_Galicia 22.08
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% Greek_Thessaly + 6.5% Southeast_English @ 3.66
2 70.3% Bulgarian + 29.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.66
3 65.2% Romanian + 34.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.7
4 92.1% Greek_Thessaly + 7.9% West_German @ 3.7
5 94.1% Greek_Thessaly + 5.9% Danish @ 3.71
6 94.5% Greek_Thessaly + 5.5% Norwegian @ 3.73
7 94.2% Greek_Thessaly + 5.8% Orcadian @ 3.73
8 94.2% Greek_Thessaly + 5.8% North_Dutch @ 3.73
9 55.8% Bulgarian + 44.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.74
10 94.5% Greek_Thessaly + 5.5% Swedish @ 3.75
11 94% Greek_Thessaly + 6% North_German @ 3.76
12 94.6% Greek_Thessaly + 5.4% West_Scottish @ 3.77
13 92.9% Greek_Thessaly + 7.1% South_Dutch @ 3.77
14 94.4% Greek_Thessaly + 5.6% Southwest_English @ 3.77
15 94.7% Greek_Thessaly + 5.3% North_Swedish @ 3.78
16 94.6% Greek_Thessaly + 5.4% Irish @ 3.78
17 91.9% Greek_Thessaly + 8.1% Hungarian @ 3.82
18 92.3% Greek_Thessaly + 7.7% French @ 3.82
19 92.5% Greek_Thessaly + 7.5% Austrian @ 3.82
20 93.2% Greek_Thessaly + 6.8% East_German @
Croat from Zadar, Dalmatia. Thank you Lucas! :)
Croat_Zadar,29.89,31.61,18.81,8.21,9.33,0,0,1.11,1 .03,0,0,0,0
Distance to: Croat_Zadar
5.15828460 Hungarian_Budapest
5.17778910 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
5.25966729 Hungarian
5.29328820 Hungarian_Alfold
5.29949998 Croat_Croatia
5.42231500 Croat_Croatia_Central
5.42778039 Croat
5.59102853 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.61103377 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.82182961 Slovenian
6.14239367 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.32959714 Bosniak_Krajina
6.45102317 Hungarian_Csango
6.53169197 Moldova_North
6.54812950 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.64111436 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.67025487 Hungarian_Szekely
6.76097626 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.77979351 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
6.78030235 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.93069261 Croat_B&H
6.93323878 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
7.44108863 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner
7.64244071 Bosniak
7.79811516 Hungarian_Northern
Target: Croat_Zadar
Distance: 2.6242% / 2.62419483 | ADC: 0.25x
47.0 Bosniak_Krajina
43.2 Croat_Croatia_Central
8.4 French_Basque
1.4 Ukrainian
Varda
10-13-2020, 10:20 AM
why do you think Vojvodina Serbs should be the most Slavic genetically? Historically, Vojvodina Serbs are a just a mix of Serbs which settled here from all other regions further south. They should represent the average Serb genetically. There are 20 other ethnic groups in Vojvodina, but afaik Serbs mixed the most with Banat Romanians, which would just pull them south. All the other ethnic groups in Vojvodina are catholic and protestant which was a big barrier for intermarrying.
the sample of 43 Lika Serbs i have ranges from 24% - 34% Baltic, average 29. i expect Vojvodina Serbs to have a similar range to this.
based on some individual Serb results from Banija (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banovina_(region)) and Mačva (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C4%8Dva_District), i expect on a larger sample the individual range here will probably be 26-36, and the average 30. These should be the most north shifted Serb regions, not Vojvodina.
on My Montenegrin sample, mostly from Podgorica, which is the southern part of the country, the range is 21-29, average 25.
based on some individual results i think the Serbs from regions like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prizren and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vranje will also have such a range and average.
all other Serbs should be in between.
Two Serbs from Banija.
Dragović from Sjeverovac (Sunja) https://actacroatica.com/en/location/sjeverovac/
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102755&d=1602584345
Ljubica Beronja from Sisak. She has a match with Dragana Žakula (Žakula is Krajina Serb surname, mostly from Lika)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102756&d=1602584441
Varda
10-13-2020, 10:30 AM
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Varda
10-13-2020, 04:09 PM
Serb probably.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102762&d=1602605302
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102763&d=1602605343
Serb probably.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102762&d=1602605302
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102763&d=1602605343
And I asked not to post unconfirmed results.
Please don't post results of people whose full ancestry isn't known - knowing someone's surname is absolutely inadequate.
Please don't post results of people whose full ancestry isn't known - knowing someone's surname is absolutely inadequate.
Why not? It's clear they are Serbs or South Slavs. You don't need their detailed genealogy to see that. Serbs and Croats don't even mix much, the same goes for Bosniaks. They all generally keep to themselves.
Mingle
10-13-2020, 07:46 PM
Please don't post results of people whose full ancestry isn't known - knowing someone's surname is absolutely inadequate.
Well at least he gave the kit numbers. So if someone wants to know their specific ancestry, they can find out. If not, they can be ignored.
Why not? It's clear they are Serbs or South Slavs. You don't need their detailed genealogy to see that. Serbs and Croats don't even mix much, the same goes for Bosniaks. They all generally keep to themselves.
Not really, before the war in Bosnia mixed familes were very common. Up to 30% in some cities.
My city is loaded with mutts, it's extremely common here. Much less in rural areas.
Not really, before the war in Bosnia mixed familes were very common. Up to 30% in some cities.
My city is loaded with mutts, it's extremely common here. Much less in rural areas.
If Zagreb is mixed and makes up 25% of Croatia's population, it shouldn't be ignored. This trend is on the rise basically everywhere. Capitals and big cities are attracting more and more people which results in the leveling of regional differences. Only on TA people would overemphasize small and unrepresentative groups.
How would those mixed Bosnians identify? Would they typically identify with a religious community? After all, it's all just a bunch of "religious tribes" (Bosniensis).
Varda
10-13-2020, 08:34 PM
And I asked not to post unconfirmed results.
It will be known these days.
Person is South Slav for sure, and this is thread about S. Slavic genetic.
If Zagreb is mixed and makes up 25% of Croatia's population, it shouldn't be ignored. This trend is on the rise basically everywhere. Capitals and big cities are attracting more and more people which results in the leveling of regional differences. Only on TA people would overemphasize small and unrepresentative groups.
Zagreb is actually very Croatian, very homogenous for capital city standards. Coastal cities are more mixed.
How would those mixed Bosnians identify? Would they typically identify with a religious community? After all, it's all just a bunch of "religious tribes" (Bosniensis).
As Yugoslavs or Bosnians. Only Bosniaks are a religious tribe. Croat and Serb identity preceeds Christianity even if it was formed along religious lines in 19th century.
It will be known these days.
Person is South Slav for sure, and this is thread about S. Slavic genetic.
Yes, you're right. But we should know to include them in statistics.
As Yugoslavs or Bosnians. Only Bosniaks are a religious tribe. Croat and Serb identity preceeds Christianity even if it was formed along religious lines in 19th century.
No,I mean does de-Islamization of Bosniaks happen in such cases?
No,I mean does de-Islamization of Bosniaks happen in such cases?
I think those mixes are mostly agnostic/atheist. Because such mixing was common only during communist Yugoslavia, not before or after it.
I think those mixes are mostly agnostic/atheist. Because such mixing was common only during communist Yugoslavia, not before or after it.
Okay. I was hoping there is at least some number of Bosniaks leaving Islam for Christianity (joining the Serbian or Croatian communities). But it'd be extremely difficult - their entire ethnic identity would become meaningless once Islam is removed from the equation.
Varda
10-13-2020, 08:49 PM
How would those mixed Bosnians identify? Would they typically identify with a religious community? After all, it's all just a bunch of "religious tribes" (Bosniensis).
Some Muslims (mostly intelectuals) in the past had Serbian identity as Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb_Muslims
^^
Look on notable people on the link.
Okay. I was hoping there is at least some number of Bosniaks leaving Islam for Christianity (joining the Serbian or Croatian communities). But it'd be extremely difficult - their entire ethnic identity would become meaningless once Islam is removed from the equation.
Some did, like Emir Kusturica who converted to Orthodoxy. Because he is of Serb origin.
User Max Luburić who was Bosniak of Croatian origin converted to Catholicism. Now he's a Croat.
Hrvoje had his results, but can't send them to me because he's banned and they are in his inbox.
But I know what they are like.
BTW, we have muslim Croats (but much less than before Yugoslavia) today like politican Zlako Hasanbegović who is a Croat but never converted.
One guy who studied with me was the same story.
Insuperable
10-13-2020, 08:59 PM
Some did, like Emir Kusturica who converted to Orthodoxy. Because he is of Serb origin.
User Max Luburić who is Bosniak of Croatian origin converted to Catholicism.
Hrvoje had his results, but can't send them to me because he's banned and they are in his inbox.
But I know what they are like.
BTW, we have muslim Croats (but much less than before Yugoslavia) today like politican Zlako Hasanbegović who is a Croat but never converted.
One guy who studied with me was the same story.
Neither of them is Croat. There are no Bosniaks today who are purely either of Serbian or Croatian origin.
Neither of them is Croat. There are no Bosniaks today who are purely either of Serbian or Croatian origin.
Ofcourse there are. And they are genetically significantly more Croat than you are.
Insuperable
10-13-2020, 09:04 PM
Ofcourse there are. And they are genetically significantly more Croat than you are.
There isn't. Hasanbegovic is Bosniak and not Croat. Deal with it.
There isn't. Hasanbegovic is Bosniak and not Croat. Deal with it.
No, he's a Croat and you are a Vlach. I value blood above religion and so do many modern right wingers.
Insuperable
10-13-2020, 09:06 PM
No, he's a Croat and you are a Vlach. I value blood above religion and so do many modern right wingers.
I am Vlach and he is not Croat, either by blood, religion or culture.
Varda
10-13-2020, 09:08 PM
Some did, like Emir Kusturica who converted to Orthodoxy. Because he is of Serb origin.
User Max Luburić who is Bosniak of Croatian origin converted to Catholicism.
Hrvoje had his results, but can't send them to me because he's banned and they are in his inbox.
But I know what they are like.
Interesting most of Muslim intelectuals with Serbian concsiousness were Herzegovinians, or if they were from Bosnia they mostly had deeper Herzegovinian origin. Osman Đikić, Smail aga Đemalović and Hasan Rebar were from Mostar. Muhamed Mehmedbašić, Mustafa Golubić and Mahmud Alihodžić were from Stolac. Ismet Popovac was from Trebinje. Meša Selimović and Emir Kusturica are from Bosnia, but their deeper origin is from Bileća area. Mustafa Mijailović was from Tuzla. Avdo Karabegović was from Modriča. Fehim Muskadić and Mehmed Spaho were from Sarajevo. Mustafa Mulalić was from Livno. Šukrija Kurtović was from Gacko.
About Muhamed, Mustafa and Mahmud Muslim Serbs from Stolac http://www.politika.rs/sr/clanak/305057/Muhamed-Mustafa-i-Mahmud-tri-Srbina-iz-Stoca
Historian Salih Selimović who is born in Tešanj and live in Sjenica is declared Muslim Serb.
I am Vlach and he is not Croat, either by blood, religion or culture.
Get back to your shithole, he's Zagrebian by culture and much more European than you will ever be.
Every real nationalist will value him more than you.
Stears updated results
Distance to: Stears
4.88169028 Moldova_North
4.94755495 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.08472221 Croat_Croatia
5.09596900 Croat
5.25867854 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
5.26438980 Hungarian_Alfold
5.30077353 Hungarian
5.34358494 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.52402028 Hungarian_Csango
5.54730565 Hungarian_Budapest
5.77534415 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
5.79472174 Hungarian_Szekely
6.06091577 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.12119269 Croat_B&H
6.13434593 Hungarian_Transdanubia
6.14921133 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.17779087 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.34908655 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
6.41166125 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.41873040 Bosniak_Krajina
6.45289083 Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.63673112 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.68730888 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.68739112 Bosniak
6.92730828 Croat_Croatia_Central
Target: Stears
Distance: 0.9889% / 0.98888584 | ADC: 0.25x
59.0 Hungarian_Budapest
30.6 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
7.2 Yagnobi
1.4 Tatar
1.2 Tadjik
0.6 Afghan_Pashtun
Target: Stears
Distance: 4.1762% / 4.17616934 | ADC: 1x
36.6 Moldova_North
26.8 Hungarian_Transylvania
26.6 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
10.0 Hungarian_Budapest
My updated results
Distance to: Stearsolina
4.57162991 Croat_Croatia
4.58251023 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
4.68484792 Hungarian_Budapest
4.74770471 Croat
4.83774741 Hungarian
4.90758596 Hungarian_Alfold
5.24751370 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.31404742 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
5.41770247 Moldova_North
5.45255903 Croat_Croatia_Central
5.50586051 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
5.64256148 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
5.66190781 Slovenian
5.80538543 Hungarian_Transylvania
6.06864894 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.07842907 Bosniak_Krajina
6.29416396 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
6.52820036 Croat_B&H
6.62190305 Hungarian_Csango
6.66280722 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.72862542 Hungarian_Szekely
6.78902055 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
6.91147596 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
7.05065245 Hungarian_Northern
7.29110417 Bosniak_Sarajevo
Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 2.6066% / 2.60655582 | ADC: 0.25x
39.8 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
35.0 Croat_Croatia_Central
11.4 Bosniak_Krajina
7.0 German_East
6.2 North_Ossetian
0.6 French_Basque
Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 3.9808% / 3.98077281 | ADC: 1x
72.0 Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
28.0 Moldova_North
Insuperable
10-13-2020, 09:34 PM
Get back to your shithole, he's Zagrebian by culture and much more European than you will ever be.
Every real nationalist will value him more than you.
Are you on your period or is this that retard?
Insuperable
10-13-2020, 09:37 PM
Get back to your shithole, he's Zagrebian by culture and much more European than you will ever be.
Every real nationalist will value him more than you.
And I am already in my shithole retard.
Islam and Croats.
Varda
10-13-2020, 09:39 PM
Some did, like Emir Kusturica who converted to Orthodoxy. Because he is of Serb origin.
User Max Luburić who was Bosniak of Croatian origin converted to Catholicism. Now he's a Croat.
Hrvoje had his results, but can't send them to me because he's banned and they are in his inbox.
But I know what they are like.
BTW, we have muslim Croats (but much less than before Yugoslavia) today like politican Zlako Hasanbegović who is a Croat but never converted.
One guy who studied with me was the same story.
Emir Kusturica know about his Serbian origin. He say his ancestors before islamization had surname Babić, and they were from Bileća in East Herzegovina. They converted on Islam late, in 18th century.
In Bileća area exist Orthodox Serbs with surname Babić, they are tested via Serbian dna project and they are R1a-YP4278. Their Slava is Lazareva Subota.
Are you on your period or is this that retard?
Tired of your s***.
My xenophobia against you has nothing to do with your DNA results.
But when you are troll, it will be mentioned. This non European mentality is not Croatian.
Insuperable
10-13-2020, 09:59 PM
You are the last one to talk about blood part Gypsy. He could be born in Sweden he is culturally Turk.
Has it ever occured to you that I am tired of your shit, whoever you are?
You are the last one to talk about blood part Gypsy. He could be born in Sweden he is culturally Turk.
Has it ever occured to you that I am tired of your shit, whoever you are?
Go away, freak!
vbnetkhio
10-14-2020, 09:17 AM
Huge plot map would be incredible, with only Balkans showing up so you can see everything.
https://i.imgur.com/veiIUK3.png
Peterski
10-14-2020, 09:46 AM
The most northern-shifted of all Balkan Slavs: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334493-Map-of-Poles-in-Bosnia-ca-1930
https://i.imgur.com/veiIUK3.png
Interesting how Balkanites cluster between Slavs and Romans and not between Slavs and Paleo Balkanites.
vbnetkhio
10-14-2020, 10:13 AM
Interesting how Balkanites cluster between Slavs and Romans and not between Slavs and Paleo Balkanites.
yes. but the most northern shifted imperial Romans, who were a Middle Eastern + Italic/Paleo-Balkan mix.
Dušan
10-14-2020, 10:34 AM
https://i.imgur.com/veiIUK3.png
Nice to see how Serbs are far more homogeneous by autosomal genetics than Croats.
Serbs are almost double size in population than Croats, but blue (Serb) area is far smaller than pink (Croat) area in diagram.
vbnetkhio
10-14-2020, 10:38 AM
Nice to see how Serbs are far more homogeneous by autosomal genetics than Croats.
Serbs are almost double size in population than Croats, but blue (Serb) area is far smaller than pink (Croat) area in diagram.
Serbs are grey, blue are Romanians.
Dušan
10-14-2020, 10:41 AM
Serbs are grey, blue are Romanians.
My mistake.
Still grey area is a bit smaller than pink, even we are almost double size in population than Croats.
Varda
10-14-2020, 07:24 PM
Serb from western Bosnia (Bosanska Krajina), surame Jotanović.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102789&d=1602703492
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