Autosomal DNA can be irrelevant of looks

[thenewestmember]

Proof: I have an American friend who said her autosomal DNA clusters with northwest Europeans but she looks like this:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e4/f3/5a/e4f35abb51763df62f2e980d6d459adb.jpg

[Konstantinos]

Proof: I have an American friend who said her autosomal DNA clusters with northwest Europeans but she looks like this:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e4/f3/5a/e4f35abb51763df62f2e980d6d459adb.jpg

Autosomal DNA largely correlates with looks. Autosomally similar nations will most often look alike. Individually of course there can be exceptions.

[Ion Basescul]

I kind of agree, but that person is a pure South Asian.

[Karol Klačansky]

Proof: I have an American friend who said her autosomal DNA clusters with northwest Europeans but she looks like this:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e4/f3/5a/e4f35abb51763df62f2e980d6d459adb.jpgAutosomal dna does coorelate with looks 99% of the time. Show us another picture of the girl, either she is lying or this pic is deceptive. Some chicks put so much make up on they look exotic and non European, but when they take it off they lol completely different.

[Rocinante]

Autosomal = Looks.

[Nassbean]

People here should be careful OP always creates weird and dumb threads ...

[Kamal900]

People here should be careful OP always creates weird and dumb threads ...

Due to the pandemic and worldwide lock downs, trolls seem to flock to this place more than ever.

[Kamal900]

People here should be careful OP always creates weird and dumb threads ...

Due to the pandemic and worldwide lock downs, trolls seem to flock to this place more than ever.

[El_Abominacion]

I disagree and this person is a poor example because they are drowned in makeup

[Gaditanian]

So... you have put " Indian Girl " in google, and you think now that the girl that you are showing to us is Amerindian, isn't?

[Samnium]

On average, absolutely.

[Smeagol]

Your looks are entirely determined by your genes, it's just that not all genes have an effect on phenotype.

[J. Ketch]

Autosomal dna does coorelate with looks 99% of the time. Show us another picture of the girl, either she is lying or this pic is deceptive. Some chicks put so much make up on they look exotic and non European, but when they take it off they lol completely different.
It's an Arab: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameera_al-Taweel

The standard of proof in Georgia is apparently subjective anecdotes.

[Leto]

Celestia is pretty dark for an almost entirely Northwestern European person, that's one example.

[J. Ketch]

Celestia is pretty dark for an almost entirely Northwestern European person, that's one example.
It's not an example, Mediterranean types are within the range of NW Europeans, they're just rare. NW Europeans can occasionally look Mediterranean because a substantial part of their ancient ancestry was from Mediterranean looking people.

NW Europeans can't naturally look like SSA's, Mongoloids or Indians though, so Autosomal DNA is 100% relevant to looks.

[Leto]

It's not an example, Mediterranean types are within the range of NW Europeans, they just happen to be rare. NW Europeans can occasionally look Mediterranean because a substantial part of their ancient ancestry was from Mediterranean looking people.

NW Europeans can't naturally look like SSA's, Mongoloids or Indians though, because of they have none of that ancestry, so Autosomal DNA is 100% relevant to looks.
I agree and wasn't trying to argue otherwise.

[dududud]

It's not an example, Mediterranean types are within the range of NW Europeans, they're just rare. NW Europeans can occasionally look Mediterranean because a substantial part of their ancient ancestry was from Mediterranean looking people.

NW Europeans can't naturally look like SSA's, Mongoloids or Indians though, so Autosomal DNA is 100% relevant to looks.

Mediterranean is a non-sens category in France; we talk about european face or non-european face. Or european influence or not. Mediterranean term is for a North african face.

A NorthWest European cannot look like a North african. Same for every normal european with normal admixture (Neolithic + Indo-european + Hunter Gatherer), except if you have recent non-european admixture.

Sean Connery looks like a normal european with a medium tanned hability, nothing more, nothing less. Every european have a tanned hability : low, medium or high.

[RyoHazuki]

Autosomal dna does coorelate with looks 99% of the time. Show us another picture of the girl, either she is lying or this pic is deceptive. Some chicks put so much make up on they look exotic and non European, but when they take it off they lol completely different.

99% is exaggerating heavily. In Europe especially, the place with the most diverse phenotypes is last place you'd expect that level of homogeneity. The highest you'll see is amongst Finns which is the upper 80%. UK has no average look to it, when people think there is its because they read too much Beowulf and think everyone is a 6' 5" Nordic type (which is hilarious, since the opposite is generally true).

[RyoHazuki]

Celestia is pretty dark for an almost entirely Northwestern European person, that's one example.

The darkest NW Europeans are in England. They're actually a significant portion of the population, especially the south, which is why the average person doesn't really bat an eye at Mediterranean looking English. But they do for Med looking Irish, Dutch, or Scandinavians because those looks are genuinely uncommon there. She looks perfectly like her ethnicity describes.

[RyoHazuki]

It's not an example, Mediterranean types are within the range of NW Europeans, they're just rare. NW Europeans can occasionally look Mediterranean because a substantial part of their ancient ancestry was from Mediterranean looking people.

NW Europeans can't naturally look like SSA's, Mongoloids or Indians though, so Autosomal DNA is 100% relevant to looks.

On the broad scale yes. But within the group there's lots of variety in look. I don't resemble any of my grandparents or parents, save for my pigmentation and height.

[Karol Klačansky]

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[Karol Klačansky]

99% is exaggerating heavily. In Europe especially, the place with the most diverse phenotypes is last place you'd expect that level of homogeneity. The highest you'll see is amongst Finns which is the upper 80%. UK has no average look to it, when people think there is its because they read too much Beowulf and think everyone is a 6' 5" Nordic type (which is hilarious, since the opposite is generally true).obviously there is diversity of looks just as their is genetic diversity in countries. In fact I should have said 100 percent as your phenotype is determined by your autosomal genes lol. If you are 100 percent English, you may have a unique look but you will never look sub saharan African or East Asian etc. Why? Because your autosomal genes are correlated with your phenotype. If someone looks a bit unique though their ancestry comes from one particular country or region and people claim this person doesn't look like their actual ethnicity, well then they need to update their imagination of what that population looks like. This doesn't change the fact that autosomal dna is correlated with your phenotype with a correlation of 1 lol.

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[J. Ketch]

The darkest NW Europeans are in England. They're actually a significant portion of the population, especially the south, which is why the average person doesn't really bat an eye at Mediterranean looking English. But they do for Med looking Irish, Dutch, or Scandinavians because those looks are genuinely uncommon there. She looks perfectly like her ethnicity describes.
Nonsense. Celestia doesn't look English. I don't know where you get your ideas from but the English are in between their genetic/geographical neighbours in pigmentation and looks. The darkest NW Europeans are Belgians and NW French, with Welsh being darker haired and eyed than English, Irish being darker haired, and South Dutch being darker eyed. Basically all but Insular Celts are darker skinned than the English too.

[Mortimer]

I agree with the former posters. From autosomal dna we can 99.99% of times make a conclusion on someones look. If someone is 100% SSA he will look SSA, for example. Sometimes someone looks a bit unique mostly if someone is mixed though.

[Pine]

OP said "can be". That's utterly correct. Not only is it correct, but it is more frequent within narrower spectrums - such as the West Eurasian spectrum. Pointing out that someone who scores 100% SSA won't ever look European is stupid and misses the point. OP clearly was pointing it out within a narrower autosomal range, such as Middle Easterners who may end up looking utterly European and NW Europeans who will look Middle Eastern. As you zoom in, the correlation between one's autosomal make up and phenotypes becomes weaker and weaker. When you consider phenotype selection and population drift, the correlation also weakens. Do you imagine that I'm one of the most Levantine looking Ashkenazim because of my results?

[Mortimer]

OP said "can be". That's utterly correct. Not only is it correct, but it is more frequent within narrower spectrums - such as the West Eurasian spectrum. Pointing out that someone who scores 100% SSA won't ever look European is stupid and misses the point. OP clearly was pointing it out within a narrower autosomal range, such as Middle Easterners who may end up looking utterly European and NW Europeans who will look Middle Eastern. As you zoom in, the correlation between one's autosomal make up and phenotypes becomes weaker and weaker. When you consider phenotype selection and population drift, the correlation also weakens. Do you imagine that I'm one of the most Levantine looking Ashkenazim because of my results?

True. But it is only within the westeuroasian spectrum because of Farmers + Hunters + Steppe etc. That they are all mixed, and such. Thats the only exception. Edit (Or in mixed people)

[Pine]

True. But it is only within the westeuroasian spectrum because of Farmers + Hunters + Steppe etc. That they are all mixed, and such. Thats the only exception. Edit (Or in mixed people)

Not true, you also see it within East Asians, Africans etc.

[Ibericus]

so the OP posts a picture of indian woman and claims she is NW european, which just proves the opposite of his intention,

[Karol Klačansky]

OP said "can be". That's utterly correct. Not only is it correct, but it is more frequent within narrower spectrums - such as the West Eurasian spectrum. Pointing out that someone who scores 100% SSA won't ever look European is stupid and misses the point. OP clearly was pointing it out within a narrower autosomal range, such as Middle Easterners who may end up looking utterly European and NW Europeans who will look Middle Eastern. As you zoom in, the correlation between one's autosomal make up and phenotypes becomes weaker and weaker. When you consider phenotype selection and population drift, the correlation also weakens. Do you imagine that I'm one of the most Levantine looking Ashkenazim because of my results?Ashkenazi people autosomally are a mixture between Levantine, Italian, and eastern European blood. Their looks range between these 3 populations 100 percent of the time from what I've seen. Again absolutely nothing surprising about that.

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[Pine]

Ashkenazi people autosomally are a mixture between Levantine, Italian, and eastern European blood. Their looks range between these 3 populations 100 percent of the time from what I've seen. Again absolutely nothing surprising about that.

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You missed the point. I plot closer to the Levant than other Ashkenazim. How likely am I therefore to look more Levantine than other Ashkenazim?

[Karol Klačansky]

You missed the point. I plot closer to the Levant than other Ashkenazim. How likely am I therefore to look more Levantine than other Ashkenazim?I didn't miss the point. The guy posted an Arab or an Indian and claimed someone who is completely north western euro can look like that. You plotting slightly closer to the Levant than other ashkenazis is not going to change the fact that you im sure look like an Ashkenazi Jew and fall well within the range of looks that make up ashkenazi phenotypes.

Also as I mentioned before, if someone doesn't look how you expected them too because autosomally they plot a certain way, it doesn't mean their phenotype is some how different than their genetics, it means you need to update what you imagine people from that particular group look like. A European looking Levantine person doesn't actually look European, he looks Levantine but it happens to be that this type of Levantine look resembles Europeans more closely.

[War Chef]

Celestia is pretty dark for an almost entirely Northwestern European person, that's one example.

Celestia's dark but her morphology looks NWstern.

[Scandal]

Celestia's dark but her morphology looks NWstern.

She looks exotic to me(Like a MENA or something), but she's not even fully european by ancestry, she has some ssa.

[Scandal]

What about Ainus? They plot with East Asians but the unmixed ones don't look like East Asians at all.
They are heavily hairy and look like a australoid-caucasoid combo
https://i.imgur.com/5dlGJZq.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Hokkaido_Ainu.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kXmBwdf24KU/R4_fBeZcOwI/AAAAAAAAAAM/NWnWcOm-Ptw/s320/ainu.jpg

[Leto]

She looks exotic to me, but she's not even fully european by ancestry, she has some ssa.
She's like 2-3% nigga only, that's too small of an influence, I think.

[Scandal]

She's like 2-3% nigga only, that's too small of an influence, I think.

Well my opinion is 2-3% ssa can be enough to influence a person's look, but it's random so it depends on the individual. It will show in some in others it won't.

[lei.talk]

we are extremely impressed
that your friendship with ameerah bint aidan bin nayef al-taweel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameera_al-Taweel)
has convinced her to renounce her saudi arabian citizenship
and become an american. :notworth:

please,
ask her to post her "northwest European" genetic test results. :pray:



this will be scientific first (a revolution in genetics)
the very first documented geno-type/pheno-type contradiction! :nod:

[Leto]

Well my opinion is 2-3% ssa can be enough to influence a person's look, but it's random so it depends on the individual. It will show in some in others it won't.
To some extent that's a forum myth. Some people believe even a drop of Black African blood is gonna make you look like a mulatto. That's not the case. See Mexicans for example, they're all 2-5% black or so but most don't show it.

[Pine]

I didn't miss the point. The guy posted an Arab or an Indian and claimed someone who is completely north western euro can look like that. You plotting slightly closer to the Levant than other ashkenazis is not going to change the fact that you im sure look like an Ashkenazi Jew and fall well within the range of looks that make up ashkenazi phenotypes.



Going by a sample of 40 Ashkenazim in K36, I'm 95th percentile. Going by a sample of almost 500 Ashkenazim in G25, I'm 98th pecentile. Meanwhile, you look more Jewish than I do.



Also as I mentioned before, if someone doesn't look how you expected them too because autosomally they plot a certain way, it doesn't mean their phenotype is some how different than their genetics, it means you need to update what you imagine people from that particular group look like. A European looking Levantine person doesn't actually look European, he looks Levantine but it happens to be that this type of Levantine look resembles Europeans more closely.

This makes it non-falsifiable.

[Scandal]

To some extent that's a forum myth. That's not the case. See Mexicans for example, they're all 2-5% black or so but most don't show it.

No, the anthroforum myth is few % of ssa or amerindian doesn't show. I can tell both of us made up our mind about the issue so it's pointless to argue because it's not going anywhere. We can continue this discussion in private because I don't want to talk publicly about her behind her back. (I don't have anything against her)

Some people believe even a drop of Black African blood is gonna make you look like a mulatto. not me


See Mexicans for example, they're all 2-5% black or so but most don't show it. How can you verify they're not showing it?

[Daos777]

Yes. It’s actually dark matter dna that is responsible for how a person looks.

[Karol Klačansky]

Going by a sample of 40 Ashkenazim in K36, I'm 95th percentile. Going by a sample of almost 500 Ashkenazim in G25, I'm 98th pecentile. Meanwhile, you look more Jewish than I do.



This makes it non-falsifiable.

it is non falsifiable because its a fact that your genetics influence your phentoype. Also I have no idea what you look like but why dont we start a poll where we film a small video clip of ourselves (pictures can be desceptive) and let people vote on who looks more Jewish or not. Some people like to think they dont look like their ethnicity when its almost never the case.

[Leto]

No, the anthroforum myth is few % of ssa or amerindian doesn't show. I can tell both of us made up our mind about the issue so it's pointless to argue because it's not going anywhere. We can continue this discussion in private because I don't want to talk publicly about her behind her back. (I don't have anything against her)
not me

How can you verify they're not showing it?
I wasn't talking about her. If you believe 1% Negro can influence phenotype, okay but I doubt.

This is the Autosomal DNA section, without actual examples combined with photographic materials any further discussion is pointless.

[Karol Klačansky]

Celestia's dark but her morphology looks NWstern.

who is this person everyone keeps mentioning and what does she look like.

[Nurzat]

she clusters with NW Europe's immigrants maybe xD

[Pine]

it is non falsifiable because its a fact that your genetics influence your phentoype. Also I have no idea what you look like but why dont we start a poll where we film a small video clip of ourselves (pictures can be desceptive) and let people vote on who looks more Jewish or not. Some people like to think they dont look like their ethnicity when its almost never the case.

You weirdos have told me I look German. I'm not going to upload a video or pictures on this site. You don't know what falsifiable means.

[Karol Klačansky]

You weirdos have told me I look German. I'm not going to upload a video or pictures on this site. You don't know what falsifiable means.Lol I'm not insulting you and I've never even seen you before. I'm not one of these TA members who spends 3/4 of my life on here. And please your little falsifiable word dig is utter nonsense and is silly. Also, you not posting a picture of yourself is probably because as a full Ashkenazi jew you look like an Ashkenazi jew, even if you have a more central European phenotype.

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[Konstantinos]

What about Ainus? They plot with East Asians but the unmixed ones don't look like East Asians at all.
They are heavily hairy and look like a australoid-caucasoid combo
https://i.imgur.com/5dlGJZq.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Hokkaido_Ainu.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kXmBwdf24KU/R4_fBeZcOwI/AAAAAAAAAAM/NWnWcOm-Ptw/s320/ainu.jpg

Their ancestry goes back so far that it's probable the Mongoloid phenotype hadn't even developed yet.

[yowasgeht]

Yeah that sometimes happens. Former german politician Theo Waigel(born pre WW2 in a small bavarian village) is also a good example.

https://c8.alamy.com/compde/cpy7x4/waigel-theodor-theo-2441939-deutscher-politiker-csu-bundesminister-fur-finanzen-1989-1998-vorsitzender-der-csu-1988-1999-cpy7x4.jpg

[Pine]

Lol I'm not insulting you and I've never even seen you before. I'm not one of these TA members who spends 3/4 of my life on here. And please your little falsifiable word dig is utter nonsense and is silly. Also, you not posting a picture of yourself is probably because as a full Ashkenazi jew you look like an Ashkenazi jew, even if you have a more central European phenotype.

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You don't know what the word means. Instead of trying to trade insults with me, you could've looked it up. It doesn't mean "false". Something is falsifiable when it can be proven. Your idea cannot be proven wrong. And I'm actually on the Samoan end of the full Ashkenazi phenotype spectrum.

[Karol Klačansky]

You don't know what the word means. Instead of trying to trade insults with me, you could've looked it up. It doesn't mean "false". Something is falsifiable when it can be proven. Your idea cannot be proven wrong. And I'm actually on the Samoan end of the full Ashkenazi phenotype spectrum.Bro im American I have no problem understanding the word falsifiable. I understood it means something can't be proven false hence why I said a fact can't be proven false. Your lack of argument is just causing you to resort to stupid digs. The guy posted an Arab and claimed she was fully NW euro and my post was to rebut this.

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[Pine]

Bro im American I have no problem understanding the word falsifiable. I understood it means something can't be proven false hence why I said a fact can't be proven false. Your lack of argument is just causing you to resort to stupid digs. The guy posted an Arab and claimed she was fully NW euro and my post was to rebut this.

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Bro, I got dem faks, so you know dey not falsifiable cuz dem faks can't be proven false, ya dig?

[Karol Klačansky]

Bro, I got dem faks, so you know dey not falsifiable cuz dem faks can't be proven false, ya dig?Yea I dig homie why didn't you speak clearly in the first place? sorry you only speak white bread and have shitty ass arguments but I wouldn't expect more from a guy named pine.

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