I1 in the east

[Brutus]

So my cousin did a 23&me test and his paternal lineage came as I1 (I-DF29). Very weird considering we're Arabs originally from Antakya. Any thoughts?

(Sorry for making the first post, didn't intend to cause chaos, I just noticed that this is the appropriate place for Y-DNA)

[Ethel]

Probably cusaders:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antakya#Crusader_era

But he should do a morley-y analysis to discover his subclade, then people here could give you a more in-depth answer about its origin. I-DF29 is too broad, it could be from the West Germanic, Scandinavian or Gothic branches.

[Brutus]

Probably cusaders:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antakya#Crusader_era

But he should do a morley-y analysis to discover his subclade, then people here could give you a more in-depth answer about its origin. I-DF29 is too broad, it could be from the West Germanic, Scandinavian or Gothic branches.

The farthest he could get was Z63 according to what he told me, but nothing after that. I will recommend him family tree. It's definitely a good company. I'm wondering if there's a possibility of a Roman auxiliary troop perhaps.

[Teutonski]

Blessed by crusader blood

[Ethel]

The farthest he could get was Z63 according to what he told me, but nothing after that. I will recommend him family tree. It's definitely a good company. I'm wondering if there's a possibility of a Roman auxiliary troop perhaps.

Z63 is East Germanic (Gothic) according to Eupedia, and very closely related to the Wielbark culture (where Goths are included). Unfortunatelly we're not in the same branch so I haven't read anything about it :(
Too bad Token has left the forum, he could explain about it much better, also there are very few I1 active members here.

Btw I think Dick is Z63 too, let's hope he joins your thread.

[Brutus]

What I found on Eupedia:

Z63+ is a strongly Continental Germanic subclade, virtually absent from Nordic countries. It is most common in Central Germany, the Benelux, England, Lowland Scotland, as well as Poland. It has also been found in Russia, Ukraine, the Balkans, Italy, Spain and Portugal.
It's funny that I never considered "I1" as probable lineage for myself. Which is why I don't know much about it. I expected to be J, E or G or even R.

[Leto]

Too bad Token has left the forum, he could explain about it much better

Why?

[Brutus]

So I found out that the ones who settled were called "Franks" or in Arabic "Efranj" which was applied to all Crusaders. Is Z63 common in France? I imagine most of the soldiers came from there.

[Dr_Maul]

You're originally from Antioch so Crusader blood is definitely the reason, I wonder what his autosomal results are

[Brutus]

You're originally from Antioch so Crusader blood is definitely the reason, I wonder what his autosomal results are

Well, overwhelmingly (in geographical regions) West Asian (Anatolia, Levant) with small percentages of Southern Europe (Italian) and North African. Makes sense considering we would have married with locals (IF we were crusaders, there are other possibilities). Even more is that we look completely Arab, I wouldn't fit in a Western European country. No admix from western europe whatsoever, which makes me doubt it. I am going take AncestryDNA because I have heard it makes a better job in autosomal.

[Dr_Maul]

Well, overwhelmingly West Asian (Anatolia, Levant) with small percentages of Italian and North African. Makes sense considering we would have married with locals (IF we were crusaders, there are other possibilities). Even more is that we look completely Arab, I wouldn't fit in a Western European country. No admix from western europe whatsoever, which makes me doubt it. I am going take AncestryDNA because I have heard it makes a better job in autosomal.

The crusades were quite a while ago so I am not sure how much it would be represented for you today but you did say you had some Italian (many Crusaders were Venetian, although Italian input in the Levant is much more common and older)

[Brutus]

... but you did say you had some Italian (many Crusaders were Venetian, although Italian input in the Levant is much more common and older)
It is indeed. Given the crusaders first reached the area in 1097-1098. According to ISOGG, I-Z63 is most frequent in the British isles, while according to Eupedia "it is most common in Central Germany, the Benelux, England, Lowland Scotland, as well as Poland. It has also been found in Russia, Ukraine, the Balkans, Italy, Spain and Portugal." So I guess there is a good chance.

[Leto]

There was a guy on the 23andme subreddit, his father is Guyanese and Trinidadian and his mother is Chinese from Hong Kong. 1.9% European. And guess what? His Y DNA is I-Z138 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z138/). Go fucking figure! :scratch:

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/qsky06/finally_got_my_results_after_a_month_of_waiting/