Croat K13 regional (and national) averages

[Ion Basescul]

1/2 Uzice, Serbia, 1/4 Zadarska, 1/4 Splitsko-Dalmatinska


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
30.29 Pct


Baltic
27.71 Pct


West_Med
14.61 Pct


West_Asian
7.01 Pct


East_Med
16.99 Pct


Red_Sea
1.72 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
-


Siberian
1.3 Pct


Amerindian
-


Oceanian
0.36 Pct


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

[Ion Basescul]

Zadarska


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
29.89 Pct


Baltic
31.61 Pct


West_Med
18.81 Pct


West_Asian
8.21 Pct


East_Med
9.33 Pct


Red_Sea
-


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
1.11 Pct


Siberian
1.03 Pct


Amerindian
-


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

[Leto]

Gotta love the Mongoloid in those Croats :swl

[Ion Basescul]

1/2 Licko-Senjska, 1/4 Primorsko-Goranska, 1/4 Zadarska


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
28.58 Pct


Baltic
30.88 Pct


West_Med
16.55 Pct


West_Asian
9.03 Pct


East_Med
10.76 Pct


Red_Sea
1.54 Pct


South_Asian
0.1 Pct


East_Asian
1.12 Pct


Siberian
0.45 Pct


Amerindian
-


Oceanian
0.09 Pct


Northeast_African
0.92 Pct


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

[Ion Basescul]

Gotta love the Mongoloid in those Croats :swl

Yeah, they need to roll their sleeves and start working to reach our level.

[Ion Basescul]

1/2 Primorsko-Goranska, 1/2 Splitsko-Dalmatinska


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
28.59 Pct


Baltic
29.11 Pct


West_Med
17.88 Pct


West_Asian
8.9 Pct


East_Med
11.54 Pct


Red_Sea
2.35 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
-


Siberian
0.73 Pct


Amerindian
-


Oceanian
0.86 Pct


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

[Ion Basescul]

1/2 Kolasin, Montenegro, 1/4 Sibensko-Kiniska, 1/4 Licko-Senjska


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
22.83 Pct


Baltic
27.77 Pct


West_Med
19.29 Pct


West_Asian
5.47 Pct


East_Med
21.99 Pct


Red_Sea
-


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
-


Siberian
0.8 Pct


Amerindian
0.96 Pct


Oceanian
0.89 Pct


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

[Ion Basescul]

Licko-Senjska


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
19.09 Pct


Baltic
34.15 Pct


West_Med
16.85 Pct


West_Asian
9.42 Pct


East_Med
17.77 Pct


Red_Sea
0.97 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
0.34 Pct


Siberian
-


Amerindian
1.25 Pct


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
0.14 Pct


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

[Ion Basescul]

1/2 Croat Slovenian from Primorsko-Goranska (parents born in Gabrje and Ajdovscina Slovenia, but buried in Primorsko-Goranska), 1/2 Croat Italian from Primorsko-Goranska (born in Friuli-Venezia Giulia)


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
30.49 Pct


Baltic
30.87 Pct


West_Med
14.52 Pct


West_Asian
9.96 Pct


East_Med
9.72 Pct


Red_Sea
2.8 Pct


South_Asian
0.73 Pct


East_Asian
-


Siberian
-


Amerindian
-


Oceanian
0.47 Pct


Northeast_African
0.42 Pct


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>


That's it from me.

[Jana]

Licko-Senjska


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
19.09 Pct


Baltic
34.15 Pct


West_Med
16.85 Pct


West_Asian
9.42 Pct


East_Med
17.77 Pct


Red_Sea
0.97 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
0.34 Pct


Siberian
-


Amerindian
1.25 Pct


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
0.14 Pct


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

That's a Serb. Having results from Croatia is meaningless if they aren't ethnic Croats.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6900373&viewfull=1#post6900373

I don't think you can separate Croatian from Serb names, therefore all results you posted need to be checked. One looks partly Gypsy by the way, and in region where Gypsies don't exist.

[Ion Basescul]

That's a Serb. Having results from Croatia is meaningless if they aren't ethnic Croats.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6900373&viewfull=1#post6900373

I don't think you can separate Croatian from Serb names, therefore all results you posted need to be checked. One looks partly Gypsy by the way, and in region where Gypsies don't exist.

It seems that Croatia is very mixed if I always stumble on Serbs. Isn't this how knez scores more or less?

[Dušan]

1/2 Kolasin, Montenegro, 1/4 Sibensko-Kiniska, 1/4 Licko-Senjska


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
22.83 Pct


Baltic
27.77 Pct


West_Med
19.29 Pct


West_Asian
5.47 Pct


East_Med
21.99 Pct


Red_Sea
-


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
-


Siberian
0.8 Pct


Amerindian
0.96 Pct


Oceanian
0.89 Pct


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

This is half Montenegro half Krajina Serb

[Dušan]

It seems that Croatia is very mixed if I always stumble on Serbs. Isn't this how knez scores more or less?

https://i.ibb.co/m4cXHtL/image.png

Medak is Serb village in Lika.


According to national census of 2011, population of the settlement is 62.[1] This represents 11.01% of its pre-war population according to the 1991 census.

The 1991 census[2] recorded that 94.32% of the village population were ethnic Serbs (531/563), 0.71% were Croats (4/563), 0.53% were Yugoslavs (3/563) while 4.44% were of other ethnic origin (25/563).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medak,_Croatia

[Jana]

It seems that Croatia is very mixed if I always stumble on Serbs. Isn't this how knez scores more or less?

https://i.ibb.co/m4cXHtL/image.png

Very mixed? Croatia is one of most homogenous countries in Europe. But Serbs are very overtested compared to Croats and obviously lot of Serbs now residing in Serbia like Dušan or Varda come from Croatia.
Yes it's similar to his results, but this person is a Serb and since all of your results are very southern compared to average I doubt they are all unmixed Croats. But idk, Moro can check them.

[Dušan]

It seems that Croatia is very mixed if I always stumble on Serbs. Isn't this how knez scores more or less?


You should check ethnic structure of place of birth and origin of these people you find.


Knez said he has some Italian ancestors that shift him south.

[Leto]

That's a Serb. Having results from Croatia is meaningless if they aren't ethnic Croats.

Ayetooye's father is from Croatia, doesn't he score just like Southern Croats? Remember the idea of being a religious tribe (a certain Doctor came up with that brilliant idea :cool:)

[Jana]

Ayetooye's father is from Croatia, doesn't he score just like Southern Croats? Remember the idea of being a religious tribe (a certain Doctor came up with that brilliant idea :cool:)

He's a Serb from Croatia(Dalmatia) and scores like typical Serb.

[Leto]

He's a Serb from Croatia(Dalmatia) and scores like typical Serb.
So you treat 'em as aliens even if they're natives who happen to have a different religion. I bet outside of TA his father will be never singled out as a Serb in his home area. Looks the same, speaks the same. Like in Belarus we have Roman Catholics and Orthodox.

[Dušan]

So you treat 'em as aliens even if they're natives who happen to have a different religion. I bet outside of TA his father will be never singled out as a Serb in his home area. Looks the same, speaks the same. Like in Belarus we have Roman Catholics and Orthodox.

Not just religion, but dialect is different, as well as genetics.

Mind your own business and stop mingling Serbs and Croats.

[Leto]

Not just religion, but dialect is different, as well as genetics.

Mind your own business and stop mingling Serbs and Croats.
Okay but one question - the dialect is different even INSIDE Croatia? I can hardly imagine that, especially in this day and age.

[Dušan]

Okay but one question - the dialect is different even INSIDE Croatia? I can hardly imagine that, especially in this day and age.

Ethnic map

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/EtnickaKartaSFRJMZ.jpg

Dialect map

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Shtokavian_dialects.svg/1018px-Shtokavian_dialects.svg.png



Serbs of Bosnia and Croatia speak the same dialect as western Serbia and western Montenegro, and different than surrounding Croats, and party Bosnian Muslims.

[Leto]

Serbs of Bosnia and Croatia speak the same dialect as western Serbia and western Montenegro, and different than surrounding Croats, and party Bosnian Muslims.
Well, I assume the difference is rather trivial. Most languages have dialects, sometimes widely divergent. Their speakers don't have to belong to separate nations. Pre-globalization Europe was full of countless dialects and regional idioms.

[Varda]

Ethnic map

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/EtnickaKartaSFRJMZ.jpg

Dialect map

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Shtokavian_dialects.svg/1018px-Shtokavian_dialects.svg.png



Serbs of Bosnia and Croatia speak the same dialect as western Serbia and western Montenegro, and different than surrounding Croats, and party Bosnian Muslims.

Serbs of western Serbia, east Bosnia and western Montenegro are new-shtokavian iyekavians, and most of Serbs from western Bosnia and Croatia are new-shtokavian yekavians (this dialect most likely originated around Neretva river).

[Dušan]

Well, I assume the difference is rather trivial. Most languages have dialects, sometimes widely divergent. Their speakers don't have to belong to separate nations. Pre-globalization Europe was full of countless dialects and regional idioms.

Whats your point?
Croats are Serbs, or Serbs are Croats? You want new country-union as Yugoslavia and that will lead to we start killing each other over and over again?

Croats and Serbs are two different people, deal with it.

[Leto]

Whats your point?
Croats are Serbs, or Serbs are Croats? You want new country-union as Yugoslavia and that will lead to we start killing each other over and over again?

Croats and Serbs are two different people, deal with it.
No, I don't want that of course. But some believe the difference is mostly cultural/political. I personally met a Serb who told me we are the same blood, they're (Croats/Bosniaks) just cave people because of their bad beliefs and actions.

I apologize, I wouldn't have bumped this myself, Ion Basescul started posting some results which other users found doubtful. Also Balkan genetics is a staple topic in this section, I'm used to reading about it.

[MoroLP]

That's it from me.

Send me the kits except #252 because already have. Yeah, some of these probably are not Croats although exceptions are possible.

Please don't share publicly private GED family trees, only in private messages.

[Insuperable]

It seems that Croatia is very mixed if I always stumble on Serbs. Isn't this how knez scores more or less?

https://i.ibb.co/m4cXHtL/image.png

Jovan?

This person is obviously Serb. Don't post if you have no idea what you are posting.

[MoroLP]

But some believe the difference is mostly cultural/political...

Similar, sometimes very similar depending on the region but look at #244 PCA (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=104539&d=1607890015). Speaking of Yugoslavia, of course, North Macedonians are not shown because are very southern.

[CommonSense]

Dušan has a point. Yugoslavia was a forced creation built on the propaganda that exaggerated similarities and downplayed all our differences. And the prolonged existence of that state led to all the conflicts, massacres and genocides that ocurred here in the 20th century.

[CommonSense]

Send me the kits except #252 because already have. Yeah, some of these probably are not Croats although exceptions are possible.

Please don't share publicly private GED family trees, only in private messages.

Vbnetkhio has them all, he discovered the gedcom and shared it with me a long time ago.

[Varda]

....

[Dušan]

It seems that Croatia is very mixed if I always stumble on Serbs. Isn't this how knez scores more or less?

https://i.ibb.co/m4cXHtL/image.png

Two men with same surname Zagorac and from same village Medak.

0:33 and 2:38


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kzjojxo6rQ

[Varda]

Two men with same surname Zagorac and from same village Medak.

0:33 and 2:38


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kzjojxo6rQ

Medak was Serbian village, it's well known. On Serbian dna project there is one Serb from Medak with surname Zagorac tested on y dna, he is R1a-YP417 (Nikoljan is his Slava).

[Varda]

Ayetooye's father is from Croatia, doesn't he score just like Southern Croats? Remember the idea of being a religious tribe (a certain Doctor came up with that brilliant idea :cool:)

Ayetooye's father
1 Baltic 31.47
2 North_Atlantic 24.12
3 West_Med 17.07
4 East_Med 15.22
5 West_Asian 9.07
6 Amerindian 1.16
7 South_Asian 0.66
8 Red_Sea 0.64
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27
11 Oceanian 0.05

Croat_Dalmatia (27 samples)
1 Baltic 31
2 North_Atlantic 25.55
3 West_Med 17.30
4 East_Med 13.71
5 West_Asian 8.42
6 Red_Sea 1.32
7 Siberian 0.62
8 East_Asian 0.56
9 Oceanian 0.50
10 South_Asian 0.35
11 East_Asian 0.21
12 Northeast_African 0.13
13 Sub-Saharan 0.13

Sources:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?288981-My-dads-results-(Dalmatian-Serb)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320456-Croat-K13-regional-(and-national)-averages&p=6634121&viewfull=1#post6634121

[Ion Basescul]

Send me the kits except #252 because already have. Yeah, some of these probably are not Croats although exceptions are possible.

Please don't share publicly private GED family trees, only in private messages.

Sent, by the way that's why I worded at the very beginning that I am posting results from Croatia and not necessarily Croat. Everyone should read very carefully before jumping on me.


Is this the thread to dump results from Croatia?


I suppose that even some of you guys are not sure about the ethnicity, without asking the person who manages them. I hope that this is what's being done, rather than guessing from results alone.

[Jana]

I suppose that even some of you guys are not sure about the ethnicity, without asking the person who manages them. I hope that this is what's being done, rather than guessing from results alone.

Ofcourse it is. In south Slavic results thread I wrote in opening post how I don't want non validated samples based on guesswork like surname or matches posted there.

[vbnetkhio]

Sent, by the way that's why I worded at the very beginning that I am posting results from Croatia and not necessarily Croat. Everyone should read very carefully before jumping on me.



I suppose that even some of you guys are not sure about the ethnicity, without asking the person who manages them. I hope that this is what's being done, rather than guessing from results alone.

If you mean these kits you just posted, 2 of them are (mostly) from one region and their ethnicity is clear. They are already in the Serbian and Croatian averages.
The rest are regionally or ethnically mixed or have incomplete family trees.

They have gedcoms, not just results.

[Ion Basescul]

They have gedcoms, not just results.

That's why I indicated the location from the GEDcom for each one of them. I want to see someone here guess how an individual derives 1/2 of ancestry from X, 1/4 from Y and 1/4 from Z by just looking at results.