Classify Volga Tatar Historian

[Noble Cuman]

He is from Ulyanovsk. But he lives in Istanbul. Pontid+Turanid im my opinion. https://i.imgur.com/R4LpJZz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Q6wykex.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8MvxdC8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6efQXvI.jpg

[Kaspias]

Textbook Volgid?

He looks similar to Bosniensis, weirdly

[itilvolga]

Dinarid + Uralid

[Noble Cuman]

Textbook Volgid?

He looks similar to Bosniensis, weirdly

Maybe Steppe admixture makes them similar :) He has clearly Caucasoid features.

[Noble Cuman]

Dinarid + Uralid

Can you find Dinarid among Volga Tatars though? He does not look brachycephal to me. But I am not sure. He is full ethnic Volga Tatar.

[CaucasianTurk]

pontid+turanid
also maybe volgid.

[itilvolga]

Can you find Dinarid among Volga Tatars though? He does not look brachycephal to me. But I am not sure. He is full ethnic Volga Tatar.

He's not a proper Dinarid so he doesn't have to be brachy. Yes, Dinarid influences can be seen among Volga Tatars even though it's uncommon.

[zeybek]

Turanid.

[Joso]

Can you find Dinarid among Volga Tatars though? He does not look brachycephal to me. But I am not sure. He is full ethnic Volga Tatar.

Brachycephaly is mostly about breadth than lenght. His skull is wide.
Also his occiput is not that big, his occipital mass is relativelyt small and is located mostly at his eye line.
Most dinarids are not completelly planocippital, it is a trait caused mostly through artificial deformation, not genetic.

[Kivan]

Dinaro-Pontid + Turanid.

[Noble Cuman]

Brachycephaly is mostly about breadth than lenght. His skull is wide.
Also his occiput is not that big, his occipital mass is relativelyt small and is located mostly at his eye line.
Most dinarids are not completelly planocippital, it is a trait caused mostly through artificial deformation, not genetic.

Though his other features does not look like Balkanite or other European Dinarids. Plus he is not tall like dinarids. But I understand what you say.

[Aileron]

Pontid-Turanid

[Nurzat]

in Romania he wouldn't be considered foreign looking at all. and especially he wouldn't be considered Tatar-influenced. I wonder how do we get such similar looks in the population. maybe from the Cuman/Pecheneg background DNA but then Siberian/East Asian/Mongolic is only 1 to 3% on average in Romanians, too little to show.

[Noble Cuman]

in Romania he wouldn't be considered foreign looking at all. and especially he wouldn't be considered Tatar-influenced. I wonder how do we get such similar looks in the population. maybe from the Cuman/Pecheneg background DNA but then Siberian/East Asian/Mongolic is only 1 to 3% on average in Romanians, too little to show.

There are some Crimean Tatars in Romania. They can have high mongoloid. And some other people can have pseudo Turanid look. I saw so many people like that in Balkans. Maybe this is why Kaspias said he looks like Bosniensis.

[Kivan]

in Romania he wouldn't be considered foreign looking at all. and especially he wouldn't be considered Tatar-influenced. I wonder how do we get such similar looks in the population. maybe from the Cuman/Pecheneg background DNA but then Siberian/East Asian/Mongolic is only 1 to 3% on average in Romanians, too little to show.

Tatars from Romania are different. Much more Mongoloid influenced.

And i doubt this guy looks like a common looking Romanian. Romanians posted in this forum in groups look pretty different of him.

[The Blade]

Dinaro-Pontid with Mongoloid admixture.

[Immanenz]

Turanid-Alpine with a minor Andronovo component

[Nurzat]

Tatars from Romania are different. Much more Mongoloid influenced.

And i doubt this guy looks like a common looking Romanian. Romanians posted in this forum in groups look pretty different of him.


There are some Crimean Tatars in Romania. They can have high mongoloid. And some other people can have pseudo Turanid look. I saw so many people like that in Balkans. Maybe this is why Kaspias said he looks like Bosniensis.

I don't refer to Romanian Tatars, those look Mongol. this guy would go unnoticed in Romania as Romanian. well, you don't see normal looking people posted for classification on TA, it's usually less common looking ones, or even atypical

[Nurzat]

Tatars from Romania are different. Much more Mongoloid influenced.

And i doubt this guy looks like a common looking Romanian. Romanians posted in this forum in groups look pretty different of him.


There are some Crimean Tatars in Romania. They can have high mongoloid. And some other people can have pseudo Turanid look. I saw so many people like that in Balkans. Maybe this is why Kaspias said he looks like Bosniensis.


Dinaro-Pontid with Mongoloid admixture.

I come back with photographic supplement. as I was saying, I don't refer to Romanian Tatars, those look Mongol, while the guy in the OP looks like common southeast Romanians. he would go unnoticed in Romania as Romanian. here's a 9-page gallery of Romanian faces, the 64 footballers on FIFA20 - this guy would fit there perfectly in his 20s, don't you think so?

https://www.futhead.com/20/nations/romania/?page=1

https://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/20/players/248056.pnghttps://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/20/players/235345.pnghttps://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/20/players/230982.pnghttps://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/20/players/247910.png
https://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/20/players/235345.pnghttps://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/20/players/251054.pnghttps://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/20/players/248165.pnghttps://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/20/players/197971.png

also, looks a bit like this Romanian writer:

https://media.monitorulsv.ro/poze/2019/07/22/569295big.jpg

[Salonikios]

Pontid+turanid

[Immanenz]

Brachycephaly is mostly about breadth than lenght. His skull is wide.
Also his occiput is not that big, his occipital mass is relativelyt small and is located mostly at his eye line.
Most dinarids are not completelly planocippital, it is a trait caused mostly through artificial deformation, not genetic.

Still Dinarids have a very flat occiput, his occuput is protruding and he is low headed, Dinarics are high headed/short headed even

[Sora]

Dinaro-Pontid + Aralid

[Mejgusu]

Who is this men? i never heard of this historian. btw the most known and high regarded historians in turkey are tatars...

[Seya]

Tatars from Romania are different. Much more Mongoloid influenced.

And i doubt this guy looks like a common looking Romanian. Romanians posted in this forum in groups look pretty different of him.

he looks like a common romanian. and i see nothing mongoloid in him at all.

[Noble Cuman]

Who is this men? i never heard of this historian. btw the most known and high regarded historians in turkey are tatars...

He is not famous like İlber Ortaylı. But he is expert on Turkish-Russian relations and Turkic history.
Secondly there are many Tatar historians. Muazzez İlmiye Çığ, Halil İnalcık and including İlber Ortaylı too. Though they are Crimean Tatars.

[Mejgusu]

He is not famous like İlber Ortaylı. But he is expert on Turkish-Russian relations and Turkic history.
Secondly there are many Tatar historians. Muazzez İlmiye Çığ, Halil İnalcık and including İlber Ortaylı too. Though they are Crimean Tatars.

ah ok. i never seen him before, maybe ive seen him but i didnt perceive.

[Chris596]

Pontid + some form of Turanid. His head shape is very similar to mine, from the side.

[Salonikios]

Can pass in Balkans imo

[Noble Cuman]

Pontid + some form of Turanid. His head shape is very similar to mine, from the side.

You think he can pass as Hungarian or Romanian?

[Chris596]

You think he can pass as Hungarian or Romanian?

I think he can pass better as a Romanian, in the southeast like the other members said. Also as an atypical Hungarian, best on the Alföld region. I don't know much people who look similar to him, only some people on the Alföld and also in my family.

Edit: On Wikipedia it says that Turanid is the main component of Hungarians, while it's true, but it's quite isolated among the population and it's very diluted and he is obviously influenced by more ,,asian'' phenotypes if you know what I mean.