Ayyubi Kurds

[Halgurd]

Salahaddin Al Ayyubi was born in the city of Tikrit. His family, who were originally Kurdish nobles from the Caucasus, were forced to flee from their homeland following a Turkish raid against their village. He quickly rose to prominence and established an empire which included Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Kurdistan, Sudan, Mecca/Medina and Yemen. This period we can perhaps call the Kurdish golden age, where Kurds came to dominate most of the Middle East.

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0f/07/c9/c1/image-of-salahaddin-in.jpg

Salahaddin’s army consisted primarily of Kurds with minorities of Turkmen and Arabs. The descendants of Ayyubi Kurdish soldiers and noblemen are many particularly in the countries of Egypt, Syria, Palestine and they carry the surname ‘Al Kurdi’. The Ayyubid period was really a turning point in Kurdish history.

Kurds became known as notorious fighters across the world during the Ayyubid period. Amongst the Europeans and Crusaders, Kurds became known for their chivalry in the way they conquered Jerusalem and spared its Christian inhabitants, amongst the Muslim world as elite warriors and amongst the Mongols as formidable opponents.

The Ayyubid eagle is still today visible in the national symbols of Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Kurdistan. The Ayyubid flag, which was yellow, has been adopted by the Kurdish YPG/SDF forces.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Ayyubid_Sultanate_1193_AD.jpg/2560px-Ayyubid_Sultanate_1193_AD.jpg

[Babak]

Cool stuff dawg

[eatensemn]

His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham

[Halgurd]

His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham

Yep all Kurds. Except for Gokbori, he was Turkmen. He was related to the Ayyubi through marriage only.

Salahaddins uncle:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirkuh

[Dr_Maul]

His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham

Turkic/Turcoman mother is possible, since she is not known it's plausible she was a Mamluk slave, they were quite popular especially among soldiers during the Seljuk/Fatimid period

[Halgurd]

Turkic/Turcoman mother is possible, since she is not known it's plausible she was a Mamluk slave, they were quite popular especially among soldiers during the Seljuk/Fatimid period

His father's lineage is very well documented though. They were Kurds from Dvin (Armenia). His mother I don't know. Back then mother's line wasn't important so it was never documented.

[Dr_Maul]

His father's lineage is very well documented though. They were Kurds from Dvin (Armenia). His mother I don't know. Back then mother's line wasn't important so it was never documented.

True, however now that I think about it, its actually likely that the mother was of Mamluk Slave origin. His Father was not just any soldier, but a mid-level Emir and advisor who was also connected to the Shaddadids, so it would have been documented if he was married to another midlevel noblewoman, similar to how the intermarriages happened in the early Safavid family.. if it wasn't documented then she was likely a slave or a concubine, most of which at the time were of Mamluk/Turkic origin. I think the names also contribute to this

[eatensemn]

True, however now that I think about it, its actually likely that the mother was of Mamluk Slave origin.Do you really think about a slave woman with powers enough to name most of her sons and daughters, especially in a kurdish community?

[Demhat]

His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham

Turan is a pretty common name among Yezidis. It literally translates to the dark lands. Tur /Tar meaning dark. Also there was a Turan in modern Balochistan during Sassanid era and there is a Turan-Shah city in the Kurdish regions of West Iran.

But Tughtakin might be a Turkish name and it doesn't really suprise me like it doesn't suprise me that some Ottoman rulers have Arabic or Persian derived names.. The Ayyubids were very much connected to the early Seljuks.

[Halgurd]

True, however now that I think about it, its actually likely that the mother was of Mamluk Slave origin. His Father was not just any soldier, but a mid-level Emir and advisor who was also connected to the Shaddadids, so it would have been documented if he was married to another midlevel noblewoman, similar to how the intermarriages happened in the early Safavid family.. if it wasn't documented then she was likely a slave or a concubine, most of which at the time were of Mamluk/Turkic origin. I think the names also contribute to this

Anything can be a possibility. But I guess its all speculation. No one really disputes Ottoman Sultans Turkish origins despite their maternal line being non Turkish.

The dynasty of Ayyub itself is pure Kurdish. Plus the name Turan shah isn't actually Turkic, it's Iranic. Tughtekin was also the name of a well known Turkic Muslim warrior at the time who fought the Crusaders, it is possible he is named after him. Rabia is an Arabic name, who married Gokbori the governor of Erbil at the time who was unrelated to the Ayyubid family before his marriage.

Turks in this case use it more as a ploy to discredit Salahaddin's Kurdish origins which I find very sad honestly.

[Demhat]

@Halgrud. The Ayyubids were predominantly a Muslim Kurdish Dynasty. But they also had Turkic, Arab, and Persian groups among their fighting ranks. The Ayyubids were allied to the Seljuks which pretty much were pushing on the borders of the Byzantines.

[Dr_Maul]

Do you really think about a slave woman with powers enough to name most of her sons and daughters, especially in a kurdish community?

Well I am just saying its possible, Fatimid Caliph Al Hafiz was said to have like 20 Seljuk 'Kal' slaves in his harem, I assume it was pretty common back then and Saladin's father was decently high ranking to have his own.. not to mention Turanshah is not even Turkic

[PaleoEuropean]

They Ayyubid dynasty was very short lived. The Eagle of Baathism/Republicanism has nothing to with the Kurds. Baathism was founded by an Arab Christian and is based off National Socialism which is why all their countries are tri-color flags and most are Red White and Black. The "Eagle of Salahdin" also is not based off anything to do with Salahdin, it actually comes from Egypt and the eagle it's based off is is post Ayyubid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_of_Saladin

[Halgurd]

They Ayyubid dynasty was very short lived. The Eagle of Baathism/Republicanism has nothing to with the Kurds. Baathism was founded by an Arab Christian and is based off National Socialism which is why all their countries are tri-color flags and most are Red White and Black. The "Eagle of Salahdin" also is not based off anything to do with Salahdin, it actually comes from Egypt and the eagle it's based off is is post Ayyubid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_of_Saladin

It was a symbol of the Ayyubid dynasty, which inspired the national symbols of Iraq, Egypt and Syria. Even Saddam compared himself to Salahaddin very often. I do not know why you're disputing this. It's a very well known fact where we're from.

[Dr_Maul]

Anything can be a possibility. But I guess its all speculation. No one really disputes Ottoman Sultans Turkish origins despite their maternal line being non Turkish.

The dynasty of Ayyub itself is pure Kurdish. Plus the name Turan shah isn't actually Turkic, it's Iranic. Tughtekin was also the name of a well known Turkic Muslim warrior at the time who fought the Crusaders, it is possible he is named after him. Rabia is an Arabic name, who married Gokbori the governor of Erbil at the time who was unrelated to the Ayyubid family before his marriage.

Turks in this case use it more as a ploy to discredit Salahaddin's Kurdish origins which I find very sad honestly.

Well obviously yes he was completely Kurdish I am not denying it, but I am just saying it was not as uncommon as you might think, especially for someone of his caste. Not that it matters really, because if we based it off of the mother then Ottoman empire is Ukrainian and Safavid is Georgian...

[PaleoEuropean]

It was a symbol of the Ayyubid dynasty, which inspired the national symbols of Iraq, Egypt and Syria. Even Saddam compared himself to Salahaddin very often. I do not know why you're disputing this. It's a very well known fact where we're from.

The Republican/Egyptian eagle is based off a specific eagle in Cairo that is not from the same period, they have no connection.

[Zoro]

Turan is a pretty common name among Yezidis. It literally translates to the dark lands. Tur /Tar meaning dark. Also there was a Turan in modern Balochistan during Sassanid era and there is a Turan-Shah city in the Kurdish regions of West Iran.

But Tughtakin might be a Turkish name and it doesn't really suprise me like it doesn't suprise me that Ottoman rulers have Arabic names.. The Ayyubids were very much connected to the early Seljuks.

That’s amazing because Tur means black in Pashto. Now that I think about it in kurmanji we say taari for dark

Turan is mostly known as that historic area in C. Asia. Actually i wonder if the Pashtun Turi tribe is from there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turi_(Pashtun_tribe)

[Zoro]

What i like about Salah-u-din is not only how brilliant a military strategist he was but also how fair and forgiving he was to his enemies. He was even recognized for that by his crusader enemies such as Richard the lionheart.

[Demhat]

That’s amazing because Tur means black in Pashto. Now that I think about it in kurmanji we say taari for dark

Turan is mostly known as that historic area in C. Asia. Actually i wonder if the Pashtun Turi tribe is from there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turi_(Pashtun_tribe)

I thought that was widely accepted knowledge. Yes Tari/tar/Tur derive from the very same root. It means dark. But some have adopted it for Black too. The whole Aryan vs Turan thing is about civilized vs "backward" (nomadic).

West Iranic more settled "civilized" tribes used to call the Central Asian East Iranic tribes Turanians as some sort of "insult". Literally meaning those of the dark lands (People who still live in the dark ages). While we are the Aryans (The noble civilized people). Of course the East Iranians didn't accept that insult and called themselves the Aryans (Nobles) lol. The whole Aryan-Turan thing is the way of insulting each other about who is more nomadic and backward lol.

[Kmakkmak]

I not say Saladin was of Kurdish. Some claimed Saladin was of Arabic origin. He was Kurdized Arab or Arabized Kurdish. In historical event.

[Kmakkmak]

His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham

Turan is Iranian tribe who was ruled by Iranian ruling class. Saladin most probably Turkic mother who was relation noble Turkic lineage.

[Halgurd]

The Republican/Egyptian eagle is based off a specific eagle in Cairo that is not from the same period, they have no connection.

You are not even from anywhere near the Middle East lol

Everyone knows it as the Eagle of Salahaddin. He was the Sultan of Egypt and Syria which inspired Arab nationalists from these countries to use the same symbol.

[Mejgusu]

Salahaddin Al Ayyubi was born in the city of Tikrit. His family, who were originally Kurdish nobles from the Caucasus, were forced to flee from their homeland following a Turkish raid against their village. He quickly rose to prominence and established an empire which included Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Kurdistan, Sudan, Mecca/Medina and Yemen. This period we can perhaps call the Kurdish golden age, where Kurds came to dominate most of the Middle East.

source please

[Halgurd]

source please

"The rise of the Ayyubids really begins with the exile of Šāḏī from Dvin, perhaps in 524/1130, when a Turkish general seized the town from its Kurdish prince."

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/ayyubids

[itilvolga]

His brothers and sisters with interesting names.

Turan-Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan-Shah

Tughtekin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughtakin_ibn_Ayyub

Rabi'a Khatun (her husband Gokbori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kb%C3%B6ri)

Fatima Khatun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Sham

Turan Şah and Tuğtekin?? How’s that possible?

[Marmara]

Turan is not a Turkish name. But Tuğtekin, Gökböri names and Khatun titles are turkish/turkic.

[Kyp]

Turan Şah and Tuğtekin?? How’s that possible?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baibars

[Halgurd]

The province of Salahaddin in Iraq, which includes the town of Tikrit, was named after him. There is a University of Salahaddin in Erbil. There is the Salahaddin airport in Hakkari. A Kurdish town north of Erbil traditionally called Pirmam has been named Salahaddin in official documents.

He is very much the epitome of Shafi'i Kurdish identity.

[Mejgusu]

"The rise of the Ayyubids really begins with the exile of Šāḏī from Dvin, perhaps in 524/1130, when a Turkish general seized the town from its Kurdish prince."

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/ayyubids

Thats wrong. His father came first baghdad, then tikrit because he was designated as gouverneur .

[Halgurd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baibars

Not relevant. They came after the Ayyubids. Timeline doesn't match.

[Halgurd]

Thats wrong. His father came first baghdad, then tikrit because he was designated as gouverneur .

Who mentioned Baghdad/Tikrit? Point was his family fled their original homeland because of a Turkish raid. Salahaddin was born in Tikrit after that.

[Mejgusu]

Ok thats the fault of turks. like everything....

[Halgurd]

Ok thats the fault of turks. like everything....

It's not the fault of Turks but it's a historic fact. I don't know how else to tell you this my friend.

It's hilarious how as soon as a Kurd mentions Salahaddin all the Turks pop up from no where.

[Mejgusu]

It's not the fault of Turks but it's a historic fact. I don't know how else to tell you this my friend.

It's hilarious how as soon as a Kurd mentions Salahaddin all the Turks pop up from no where.

Its a historic fact that some turkophobic preudohistorians created. His father went first to baghdad then to tikrit. As gouvoneur...

[Halgurd]

Its a historic fact that some turkophobic preudohistorians created. His father went first to baghdad then to tikrit. As gouvoneur...

And how is this relevant to anything my friend? Salahaddin was still born in Tikrit lol

[Mejgusu]

And how is this relevant to anything my friend? Salahaddin was still born in Tikrit lol

It is relevant because you claimed his family came to there after turkish raid. if that is not a hidden cheap propaganda, then i dont know...

[Halgurd]

Interestingly there was a power struggle between the Kurds and Turkmens, where the Kurds chose Salahaddin just to ensure the Turkmens do not get into power.

Turkmen soldiers also used to ridicule Salahaddin because of his Kurdish origin. This was before he became the Sultan.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JfXl5kvabhoC&pg=PA30&dq=saladin+kurd&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2lciamPfoAhVFKuwKHb0QC3YQ6AEIJTAA#v=on epage&q=saladin%20kurd&f=false

[Halgurd]

It is relevant because you claimed his family came to there after turkish raid. if that is not a hidden cheap propaganda, then i dont know...

I said his family left their homeland after a Turkish attack on their village. And after this event Salahaddin was born in the city of Tikrit where his family resided at the time. This is historical fact.

[Dr_Maul]

Turan is not a Turkish name. But Tuğtekin, Gökböri names and Khatun titles are turkish/turkic.

Gokbori was not even related to Saladin and Khatun is not Turkic either it is borrowed by the original Iranic word xwāten.. only suspicious one is Tugtekin but it’s possible that Saladins father knew the original Tughetkin and perhaps named his son after him although I think the mamluk slave mother explanation is more accurate

[Halgurd]

https://www.ancient.eu/Saladin/

Battle of Hattin & Jerusalem
The battle of Hattin began on 3 July 1187 CE when Saladin’s mounted archers continuously attacked and retreated, providing a continuous harassment of the marching Franks. As one Muslim historian put it: ‘the arrows plunged into them transforming their lions into hedgehogs’ (quoted in Phillips, 162). The next day, a more substantial engagement ensued. Saladin was able to field some 20,000 troops at Hattin. The Franks were under the leadership of Guy of Lusignan, king of the Kingdom of Jerusalem (r. 1186-1192 CE) and could field around 15,000 infantry and 1,300 knights. The Franks were outnumbered and seriously short of water, while the Muslim army, with plentiful supplies thanks to their camel trains, set fire to the dry grass and brush to peak the enemy’s thirst even further. The Franks' formation broke up with the infantry in disarray and no longer providing the usual protective ring for the heavy cavalry. A cavalry force led by Raymond of Tripoli did break through the Muslim lines but for the remainder of the army there was to be no escape and Saladin won a resounding victory against the largest army the Franks had ever assembled.

[Halgurd]

Mahmud Al Kurdi Mosque in Egypt from the 1300s. Most likely the architect was a descendant of an Ayyubi soldier or nobleman.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_al-Kurdi_Mosque

[Halgurd]

Interestingly there is a 'city' in Egypt called 'el Kurdi'. In Arabic it is called قسم الكردى meaning the 'section of the Kurds'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Kurdi

[Halgurd]

Interestingly there is a 'city' in Egypt called 'el Kurdi'. In Arabic it is called قسم الكردى meaning the 'section of the Kurds'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Kurdi

There is another location called Al Akrad, which simply means 'The Kurds'.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Al+Akrad,+Al+Fath,+Assiut+Governorate,+Egypt/@27.2558828,31.0873883,7z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x14450e97bcd6b48f:0xcac2d40c548c0 660?hl=en-gb

[Kamal900]

During the reign of the Ayyubid dynasty, there were towns in the Levant were built during that time period. There's a castle in Syria called "Demmo3 al-Akkard" or "Tears of the Kurds" which was built in the Ayyubid dynasty of Syria which had housed the first assassins order founded by a Persian.

[Kamal900]

There are also some towns in the West Bank that had the name "Al-Kurdi" or "Ayyubi" as well.

[Kmakkmak]

Ekrad for Kurds, Etrak for Turks....

[Halgurd]

Ekrad for Kurds, Etrak for Turks....

What has this thread got to do with turks?

xayin u xofros tu ne kurdi

[Zoro]

During the reign of the Ayyubid dynasty, there were towns in the Levant were built during that time period. There's a castle in Syria called "Demmo3 al-Akkard" or "Tears of the Kurds" which was built in the Ayyubid dynasty of Syria which had housed the first assassins order founded by a Persian.

Demma دمع is tears in Arabic. Demm دم means blood right?

[Reis-i Cumhur]

xayin u xofros tu ne kurdi


Kuzi Keri,kirrémı serevi

[Halgurd]

Kuzi Keri,kirrémı serevi

temaşe çawa tirk fêra kurdî bu ye amk :laugh:

[Kamal900]

Demma دمع is tears in Arabic. Demm دم means blood right?

It's Damm for Blood in Arabic. Demmoa3 is tears in Arabic.

[Kmakkmak]

What has this thread got to do with turks?

xayin u xofros tu ne kurdi

xayin u xofros tu ne kurdi? What translate is?

[Kmakkmak]

Ekrad and Etrak is from Arabic language.

[Halgurd]

xayin u xofros tu ne kurdi? What translate is?

I thought you said you were Kurdish?

[Demhat]

Gokbori was not even related to Saladin and Khatun is not Turkic either it is borrowed by the original Iranic word xwāten.. only suspicious one is Tugtekin but it’s possible that Saladins father knew the original Tughetkin and perhaps named his son after him although I think the mamluk slave mother explanation is more accurate

I doubt there was much Slave trade going on inbetween West, South and Central Asian tribes who shared at leas the religion. That doesn't necessary mean his mother couldn't have been of Turkic origin, it could be and it could not be. I just don't believe it was down to Slavery.

As you correctly pointed out Khatun has actually Iranic roots. and used by Kurds, Persians, East Iranics and Turkic people. It literally derives from Khwatun. Khwa (xwa in Kurdish) meaning her/himself. It literally translates to, "her who rules herself" literally synonym with Queen. That is why we still tend to you use Khatun synoynm for "my queen" (my wife).

I also don't understand why we are still here debating about the origin of some names as if it had such a high weight for the origin during Medievil times when Muslims were literally living side by side in a religius Caliphate and were using names of Muslim leaders of other tribes. It's not like we are talking about the Iron Age when the origin of a name actually meant allot more for the origin of that individual.

We literally had Early Seljuk Sultans with Arabic names such as Musa and Mikael. Ottoman rulers with the names such as Osman (Othman Arabic) or Beyazid (Iranic for white).

People tended to give their Children names based on notable Muslim leaders and personalities. The origin of the name didn't matter much.

[Demhat]

During the reign of the Ayyubid dynasty, there were towns in the Levant were built during that time period. There's a castle in Syria called "Demmo3 al-Akkard" or "Tears of the Kurds" which was built in the Ayyubid dynasty of Syria which had housed the first assassins order founded by a Persian.

There is also a Castle in Syria's Latakia from where they attacked the Crusaders. it is called Ḥoṣn al-Akrād (Fortress of the Kurds). The Ayyubids were very much aware of their origin. Literally everywhere the Ayyubids went you can find traces that point to their origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak_des_Chevaliers

[Kamal900]

There is also a Castle in Syria's Latakia from where they attacked the Crusaders. it is called Ḥoṣn al-Akrād (Fortress of the Kurds). The Ayyubids were very much aware of their origin. Literally everywhere the Ayyubids went you can find traces that point to their origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak_des_Chevaliers

Obviously. I mean, the Kurds were first mentioned as a distinct group of peoples even before the Ayyubids and so on.

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.ancient.eu/Saladin/

Battle of Hattin & Jerusalem
The battle of Hattin began on 3 July 1187 CE when Saladin’s mounted archers continuously attacked and retreated, providing a continuous harassment of the marching Franks. As one Muslim historian put it: ‘the arrows plunged into them transforming their lions into hedgehogs’ (quoted in Phillips, 162). The next day, a more substantial engagement ensued. Saladin was able to field some 20,000 troops at Hattin. The Franks were under the leadership of Guy of Lusignan, king of the Kingdom of Jerusalem (r. 1186-1192 CE) and could field around 15,000 infantry and 1,300 knights. The Franks were outnumbered and seriously short of water, while the Muslim army, with plentiful supplies thanks to their camel trains, set fire to the dry grass and brush to peak the enemy’s thirst even further. The Franks' formation broke up with the infantry in disarray and no longer providing the usual protective ring for the heavy cavalry. A cavalry force led by Raymond of Tripoli did break through the Muslim lines but for the remainder of the army there was to be no escape and Saladin won a resounding victory against the largest army the Franks had ever assembled.

There was also the Battle of Arsuf, in 1191. Saladin did have a brilliant military mind, despite that, there were quite a number of occasions when the Crusaders trounced his armies.

Richard the Lionheart was in the thickest of the fighting at Arsuf: "There the king, the fierce, the extraordinary king, cut down the Turks in every direction, and none could escape the force of his arm, for wherever he turned, brandishing his sword, he carved a wide path for himself: and as he advanced and gave repeated strokes with his sword, cutting them down like a reaper with his sickle, the rest, warned by the sight of the dying, gave him more ample space, for the corpses of the dead Turks which lay on the face of the earth extended over half a mile."
* Quoted from an Anonymous translation of Itinerarium, Book IV Ch. XIX, p. 182.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Arsuf#cite_note-50

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCT0cG3mhB8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5nZ7oQwcwU

[Raslen3]

Just something to add

"During the negotiations relating to the investiture to the Fatimid vizierate, 'Isâ al-Hakkârî, a Kurd, persuaded Qutb al-Dîn Tulayl to drop his candidacy in favor of Saladin: “Saladin and you are both from the same group. He is from a kurdish origin (inna aslahu min al-akrâd). Then you won’t let the power pass to the Turks. He promised to increase his income. So he obeyed Saladin (atâ‘ahu)”" Ibn Khallikân, Kitâb wafayât al-a‘yân wa anbâ’Abnâ’ al-zamân, vol. 7, p. 153, 155

So it is obvious his Kurdish origin did effect him in his life. Keep in mind though the absolute majority of his population (and army) was Arab and he lived among Arabs for most of his life, so he was a pretty Arabized Kurd which is why many Arabs still hold him in high regard as a symbol of Arab unity.

[DiyarbakirliRamo]

I thought ayyubi was mix of Kurdish-Arabic and Turkic

[Halgurd]

Just something to add

"During the negotiations relating to the investiture to the Fatimid vizierate, 'Isâ al-Hakkârî, a Kurd, persuaded Qutb al-Dîn Tulayl to drop his candidacy in favor of Saladin: “Saladin and you are both from the same group. He is from a kurdish origin (inna aslahu min al-akrâd). Then you won’t let the power pass to the Turks. He promised to increase his income. So he obeyed Saladin (atâ‘ahu)”" Ibn Khallikân, Kitâb wafayât al-a‘yân wa anbâ’Abnâ’ al-zamân, vol. 7, p. 153, 155

So it is obvious his Kurdish origin did effect him in his life. Keep in mind though the absolute majority of his population (and army) was Arab and he lived among Arabs for most of his life, so he was a pretty Arabized Kurd which is why many Arabs still hold him in high regard as a symbol of Arab unity.


Yes Turkmens discriminated a lot against Kurds and Arabs and held themselves in high regard. However Salahaddin was able to change that and humbled them.

The Ayyubids were very dynastic in the sense that he gave a lot of positions of power to his family, which is why a lot of Kurds ended up in high level positions both in religion and military.

But ofc as you said the large bulk of the population were ethnic Arabs and he was able to bring them under the Ayyubid banner.

[Halgurd]

https://youtu.be/wK9067PNbWQ

[Halgurd]

A childhood song


https://youtu.be/qMNhEUKoNbI

[Babak]

https://youtu.be/wK9067PNbWQ

The comments on that video are cancerous

[Eline]

Saladin was buried in Damascus. Maybe they can check his DNA!


Mausoleum of Saladin

https://madainproject.com/content/media/collect/mausoleum_of_saladin/01.jpghttps://madainproject.com/content/media/collect/saladin_tomb_283782.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWinmGbhlk

[Halgurd]

The comments on that video are cancerous

A lot of people who first learn about him forget the message he tried to spread. Yes Al Quds belongs to Islam but he also taught us that we should be tolerant of other peoples faiths and beliefs. That is what makes him difference from the other Islamic leaders of his time.

He died with no money to his name, despite being the Sultan of the richest land in the world at the time, because he gave most of it away in charity.

[Halgurd]

Saladin was buried in Damascus. Maybe they can check his DNA!


Unfortunately a lot of Ayyubid heritage in Syria has been destroyed because of the war. I am hoping that his tomb is still in tact.

[Eline]

Btw, Saladin was very good for the Jews. Kurds were the ruling elite in the Levant and Egypt for hundreds of years. They had a lot land/property in Israel/Palestina.

Jews bought 50 years ago a lot land in Israel/Palestina from the Kurdish owners, since most of the land in Israel was owned by the Kurdish descendants of Saladin> Jews should never forget that.

[Zoro]

Btw, Saladin was very good for the Jews. Kurds were the ruling elite in the Levant and Egypt for hundreds of years. They had a lot land/property in Israel/Palestina.

Jews bought 50 years ago a lot land in Israel/Palestina from the Kurdish owners, since most of the land in Israel was owned by the Kurdish descendants of Saladin> Jews should never forget that.

Interesting. Didn't know that

[Eline]

Unfortunately a lot of Ayyubid heritage in Syria has been destroyed because of the war. I am hoping that his tomb is still in tact.Not a long time ago (this year), when Putin was in Damascus he went to visit mausoleum of Saladin and payed tribute to him.

https://i.postimg.cc/DZSvw4rz/5e153dd3a310cf3e97af9c4a.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/fbNZhgLB/damascus-syria-07th-jan-2020-damascus-syria-january-7-2020-russias-president-vladimir-putin-l-during.jpg

[Eline]

Interesting. Didn't know thatA very short time ago, most of the land/property in Israel/Palestina was in private Kurdish hands/possession. Kurds sold almost everything to the Jews.

[Eline]

I hope 1 day they will check Saladin DNA. It's very interesting to know to which Y-DNA haplogroup he belonged.

[Halgurd]

Flag of the Ayyubi dynasty

https://i.redd.it/f3r22bdq5iw31.png