Are Belarus and Russia parting ways?

[The Lawspeaker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mDdIWdtFrw

Lawmakers in #Belarus (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%23Belarus) are exploring for ways to escape the clutch of #Russia (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%23Russia), but it's not that easy.

[Ülev]

Russophobic thread :rolleyes:

[Ülev]

Lukashenko: Europe will offer Belarus a helping hand to upgrade healthcare
https://eng.belta.by/president/view/lukashenko-europe-will-offer-belarus-a-helping-hand-to-upgrade-healthcare-129942-2020/

[Satem]

Lukashenko: Europe will offer Belarus a helping hand to upgrade healthcare
https://eng.belta.by/president/view/lukashenko-europe-will-offer-belarus-a-helping-hand-to-upgrade-healthcare-129942-2020/

Well, if Lukashenko will be convinced to use tests and close some sectors of economy for a few weeks/months it would be already big help

[Rumata]

Belarus has a recent example of "European integration" right south of it. Destroyed industry, general degradation and guestworking economy.

[Satem]

Belarus has a recent example of "European integration" right south of it. Destroyed industry, general degradation and guestworking economy.

How is industry in Russia btw?

[Rumata]

How is industry in Russia btw?

This question is off-topic. It makes sense to compare Belarus and Ukraine - countries which were the most close on the moment of USSR disintegration and which parted ways since.

[Satem]

This question is off-topic. It makes sense to compare Belarus and Ukraine - countries which were the most close on the moment of USSR disintegration and which parted ways since.

You're right sorry.
Anyway in case of Ukraine it was also lack of local specialists and oligarchs destroyed industry. In Belarus there are not many oligarchs after all

[Ülev]

oil is close to 0$ but the potatoes / картошки keep the price

[Rumata]

You're right sorry.
Anyway in case of Ukraine it was also lack of local specialists and oligarchs destroyed industry. In Belarus there are not many oligarchs after all
OK.
Eastern Ukraine used to be industrial too. Now, I hear Kharkov produces 1 tank a year vs 1 000 in Soviet time. Similarly in other branches.

[Rumata]

AFAIK, about all "integrated" Eastern European countries by some reason provide many guestworkers to Western Europe. Western Europeans should make their minds if they really want this scnenario or not.

[Ülev]

yes, Western Europe needs cheap workforce, somebody have to clean or harvest asparagus

[The Lawspeaker]

AFAIK, about all "integrated" Eastern European countries by some reason provide many guestworkers to Western Europe. Western Europeans should make their minds if they really want this scnenario or not.


Having been raised in an area (Brabant. I grew up in Waalwijk which used to be the center of the leather industry) with a lot of unemployment because industry had been gutted and moved abroad: no. It's time to bring back industry and put our own people back to work. And, as Sunqvist may mention the asparagus fields, guess what ? I spent quite a few years as a teenager (South-Eastern Brabant and Northern Limburg) in that area and he's wrong: back then the local kids used to do it but they started bringing in Eastern Europeans in order to undercut those high school kids. There too, whole communities had been gutted by unemployment and this only made it worse.

[Ülev]

they are playing on our fears, my answer was to calm down that person

[Rumata]

Having been raised in an area (Brabant. I grew up in Waalwijk which used to be the center of the leather industry) with a lot of unemployment because industry had been gutted and moved abroad: no. It's time to bring back industry and put our own people back to work. And, as Sunqvist may mention the asparagus fields, guess what ? I spent quite a few years as a teenager (South-Eastern Brabant and Northern Limburg) in that area and he's wrong: back then the local kids used to do it but they started bringing in Eastern Europeans in order to undercut those high school kids. There too, whole communities had been gutted by unemployment and this only made it worse.

Normally, only few moneybags profit from such scenarios. The rest - lose.

[SilverKnight]

As an American a have a ton of respect for Russia, how can Belarus back stab Russia that way?, I know they want to be more liberal and all of that good shit, but come on, don't back stab the hand that fed you for so long...

[Synapsid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mDdIWdtFrw

Russia needs Belarus for strategic reasons, namely the free use of Suwalki gap in case future Anti NATO operations

[KirillMazur]

How is industry in Russia btw?
Everything is not so bad, continuous growth for 27 months. Here are the latest official statistics - https://gks.ru/bgd/free/B04_03/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d05/72.htm
Pay attention to the 2 lower tables and the manufacturing industry indicator.

in the I quarter of 2020 compared to the I quarter of 2019 - 101.5%;

in March 2020 compared to March 2019 - 100.3%, compared with February 2020 - 106.4%.

Traditionally, we compare the main indicator of the economy with that in other countries.

Among the leaders: USA, China, Germany, Japan, Eurozone, the UK, Italy, Brazil, Spain ...
Separately, I want to note that US data have a negative historical tone!


1. Industrial Production (y/y) - Brazil: -0.4%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=e91d0d08-dfec-4f01-8975-bb4e95ded10e

2. The volume of industrial production in Spain (y / y): -1.3%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/spanish-industrial-production-403

3. Industrial production (y/y) - Czech Republic: -0.9%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=d23bc044-82d6-4327-96d2-f6ffeb1745d7

4. Industrial production (y / y) - Germany: -1.2%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=9c223ec9-aaca-4cbf-becf-a9728d5427dd

15 months of continuous decline!

5. Industrial production - Norway: -0.5%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=a0c50cbf-3b2e-4720-be29-8dc2cbd38251

6. Industrial Production (y/y) - Sweden: -0.2%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=6f5f5cec-ba9c-4330-8763-206b3b083de3

7. Industrial production (m / m) - Sweden: -0.4%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=3287d8e6-593c-46e6-959f-91d28e697195

8. Industrial Production (y/y) - Argentina: -0.8%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=3f86ddb5-d367-47e1-8ddf-ee57fbaea46b

9. Industrial Production (m/m) - Mexico: -0.6%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=f6a78f06-2186-4d0e-9b41-902202d9e4c0

10. Industrial Production (y/y) - Mexico: -1.9%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=275e09da-2305-400d-ac84-3baf44129007

11. The volume of industrial production in the UK (y / y): -2.8%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/industrial-production-732

12. The volume of production in the manufacturing industry of the United Kingdom (y/y): -3.9%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/manufacturing-production-845

13. The volume of industrial production in Italy (y/y): -2.4%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/italian-industrial-production-951

14. The volume of industrial production in Italy (m / m): -1.2%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/italian-industrial-production-180

15. Industrial production (m/m) - Netherlands: -1.7%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=5f836802-efe2-4d16-b047-effb509df67f

16. Industrial Production (y/y) - Slovakia: -1.5%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=0a4e64c9-48b3-42bb-b144-551f8d92de2d

17. The volume of industrial production in the United States, y / y: -5.49%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/industrial-production-1755

Record collapse!

18. The volume of industrial production in the United States (m / m): -5.4%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/industrial-production-161

Record collapse!

19. The volume of production in the manufacturing industry of the USA (m / m): -6.3%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/manufacturing-output-1307

A record drop since 1946!

20. The volume of industrial production in the eurozone (m / m): -0.1%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/industrial-production-160

21. The volume of industrial production in the eurozone (y / y): -1.9%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/industrial-production-931

22. The volume of industrial production in China (y / y): -1.1%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/chinese-industrial-production-462

23. The volume of industrial production in China since the beginning of the year (YTD), y / y: -8.4%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/chinese-industrial-production-ytd-1916

24. The volume of industrial production in Japan (m / m): -0.3%. https://ru.investing.com/economic-calendar/industrial-production-159

25. Industrial Production (y/y) - Japan: -5.7%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=34003141-e6cf-4c81-939c-5e39e0170b33

26. Industrial Production (y/y) - Poland: -2.3%. https://alpari.com/ru/analytics/calendar_fxstreet/?event=true&fxstreet_lang=ru-ru&id=5642db33-ca7f-4e05-a3bc-38f7d7b5788b

[Ülev]

Belarus set to import oil via Poland: report

Belarus is poised to start importing oil via Poland as an alternative to Russian deliveries, according to a report.
more:
https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7785/Artykul/2498292,Belarus-set-to-import-oil-via-Poland-report

[Hajimurad]

oil is close to 0$ but the potatoes / картошки keep the price

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bza70drCYAAk77_.jpg

[Yamnaya]

I dont know whats going all with all the Belerusian parting ways with Russia news. When Russia took Crimea, Lukashenko said that they should take all of Ukraine. Then only a year ago Lukashenko was eager to join Russia as a single country, and it was Putin who rejected the idea. WTF has happened since then?

[Ülev]

I dont know whats going all with all the Belerusian parting ways with Russia news. When Russia took Crimea, Lukashenko said that they should take all of Ukraine. Then only a year ago Lukashenko was eager to join Russia as a single country, and it was Putin who rejected the idea. WTF has happened since then?

it's far from the truth, Belarus never recognized Crimea as a part of Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Crimea

[Yamnaya]

it's far from the truth, Belarus never recognized Crimea as a part of Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Crimea

Yeah i just checked it. Idk why i remember Lukashenko saying so.

But regarding the unification of Belarus and Russia im pretty sure he did say that he wanted to join Russia as a single country

[Ülev]

Беларусь не будет возобновлять авиа- и железнодорожное сообщение с Крымом // Belarus will not resume air and railway communication with Crimea

Читать дальше: https://sputnik.by/tourism/20200303/1044086428/Belarus-ne-budet-vozobnovlyat-avia--i-zheleznodorozhnoe-soobschenie-s-Krymom.html

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and the thread with same title as here was deleted "amazingly"
https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/belarus-crowds-rally-against-closer-russia-ties-wave-eu-flags/

[mutabor]

As I understand the problem which had recently arisen between Putin and Lukashenko is because Putin wanted to legalize his official reign in a new status as a president of a new state Russia+Belarus where Lukashenko loses his role of a president. After that Russia started to blackmail Luka by higher prices on oil and gas. Luka began to blackmail back by inviting American diplomats and searching for other sources of oil and gas.

At the end Putin found a different decision to change Russian constitution to legalize his new two terms as a president.

Lukasheko had been struggling to keep his independence from Russia.

[The Lawspeaker]

oil is close to 0$ but the potatoes / картошки keep the price


Time to organise ourselves. Let's call ourselves the Organisation for Potato Exporting Countries. Or OPEC.

:cool:

[KirillMazur]

Lukashenko has seized power and will not give it to anyone. Because power is his salvation, physical. If he loses it, he will be literally torn, because he has crossed too many roads. He will be judged for missing politicians, for seized businesses, for the huge number of deaths due to the non-recognition of this virus, and so on. While he is in the palace, he is alive.
Lukashenko will not be satisfied with the status of just a wealthy pensioner without authority. He may not be given protection and guarantees for bad behavior, that’s the reason for the hysterics.
And he also owes Russia for resources a lot.

[Ülev]

Time to organise ourselves. Let's call ourselves the Organisation for Potato Exporting Countries. Or OPEC.

:cool:

btw, I will add this to "Pictures of Denmark" thread

Samsø island is known for its potatoes
https://www.visitsamsoe.dk/en/inspiration/a-lot-more-than-potatoes/