unusual results for an Ashkenazi Jew

[Unknown European]

I Am of fully of Ashkenazi Jewish descent 3/4 is from Alsace-Lorraine and 1/4 is from South-Western Germany these results of mine of mine do not seem usual on Ancestry DNA I scored 100% European Jewish I have no knowledge of Sephardi origins no surnames or traditions or anything my ancestors spoke Yiddish i am kind of an outlier what do you think

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 43.45
2 West_Med 19.36
3 North_Atlantic 14.91
4 West_Asian 9.83
5 Red_Sea 6.16
6 Baltic 3.68


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_Jewish @ 5.698139
2 Tunisian_Jewish @ 8.001065
3 Algerian_Jewish @ 8.103865
4 Sephardic_Jewish @ 8.119945
5 Libyan_Jewish @ 9.372990
6 Ashkenazi @ 11.129554
7 South_Italian @ 13.586349
8 Cyprian @ 14.390248
9 East_Sicilian @ 15.327538
10 West_Sicilian @ 16.949383
11 Central_Greek @ 16.990332
12 Samaritan @ 18.274591
13 Lebanese_Druze @ 18.716417
14 Lebanese_Muslim @ 18.986563
15 Italian_Abruzzo @ 19.099579
16 Palestinian @ 19.320072
17 Lebanese_Christian @ 19.564833
18 Syrian @ 20.562578
19 Jordanian @ 20.670650
20 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.765387

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Jewish +50% Italian_Jewish @ 5.698139


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Jewish +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.334238


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 5.334238
2 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.686549
3 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish @ 5.698139
4 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 5.710593
5 Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 5.747416
6 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Libyan_Jewish @ 5.967445
7 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 6.056373
8 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish @ 6.101953
9 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.124269
10 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.129418
11 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Samaritan @ 6.135683
12 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.164940
13 Algerian_Jewish + Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 6.167490
14 Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.167686
15 Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.174031
16 Cyprian + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish @ 6.215404
17 Ashkenazi + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 6.247267
18 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 6.254271
19 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + West_Sicilian @ 6.272664
20 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.277711

---- Eurogenes K13

[knez01]

Could you post your Jtest?

[Unknown European]

Jtest
1 ASHKENAZI 38.83
2 EAST_MED 23.35
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 10.15
4 WEST_MED 8.85
5 ATLANTIC 6.11
6 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 5.32
7 WEST_ASIAN 4.20
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 2.35

[Rabbit Hole]

That proves you are Jewish and Jews are a race, well done.

[Unknown European]

Thanks wasn't easy lol

[Rabbit Hole]

Sure lol

[knez01]

Jtest
1 ASHKENAZI 38.83
2 EAST_MED 23.35
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 10.15
4 WEST_MED 8.85
5 ATLANTIC 6.11
6 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 5.32
7 WEST_ASIAN 4.20
8 SOUTH_BALTIC 2.35

What does your oracle say?
Also to me you seem like a normal Ashkenazi Jew, just a bit higher mediterranean components, I am not an expert though.

[Unknown European]

what is not normal is that a i am closer to North African and Italkim Jews then Ashkenazim what im supposed to be

[Rabbit Hole]

What does your oracle say?
Also to me you seem like a normal Ashkenazi Jew, just a bit higher mediterranean components, I am not an expert though.

Jtest is designed for them so it won't even matter what any other test says

[Rabbit Hole]

What does your oracle say?
Also to me you seem like a normal Ashkenazi Jew, just a bit higher mediterranean components, I am not an expert though.

Jtest is designed for them so it won't even matter what any other test says

[Dean K]

38% ashkenazi is the mother and the father of the ashkenazis. Ussally they score 25-30.
And if you get results of italian jewish on eurogens k13. It could be because your dna data not read good at this calculator you need yo see down how many rs they read. I think It should be around 160k-180k

[Unknown European]

for euro-genes k13 171971 SNPs used in this evaluation quality was fine? Mother and Father of Ashkenazi? its almost like my ancestors did not mix once with the host populations perhaps i am 101% descended from the bottlenecks Ashkenazi Jews

[Leto]

Post your HarappaWorld, Dodecad K12b and MDLP K23b (do not click Oracle-4 please, only Oracle).

[happycow]

Nice east med :eek2:

[Leto]

Your HarappaWorld & MDLP K23b oracles from Vahaduo


Unknown_European,0,6.90,34.33,11.69,0,0,0.52,0.94, 0,0,25.02,19.00,0,1.53,0.07,0

Distance to: Unknown_European
3.59927771 sephardic-jew
4.98843663 morocco-jew
5.95279766 ashkenazy-jew
9.70935116 ashkenazi
16.97779432 cypriot
17.69026286 lebanese
18.25441317 turk-aydin
18.92610367 tuscan
19.57556896 tuscan
20.21085105 tuscan
20.34871986 jordanian
20.53647487 syrian
21.01080674 palestinian
21.33543766 lebanese-muslim
21.76615492 palestinian
22.19191294 turk-kayseri
22.88558061 turk-istanbul
23.46187759 egypt
23.65069344 iraqi-arab
23.68808772 lebanese-christian

Target: Unknown_European
Distance: 2.8666% / 2.86663923 | ADC: 1x
81.6 sephardic-jew
15.8 ashkenazy-jew
2.6 morocco-jew

Target: Unknown_European
Distance: 1.9991% / 1.99908023 | ADC: 0.5x
45.8 sephardic-jew
31.0 ashkenazy-jew
22.4 morocco-jew
0.8 bedouin

Target: Unknown_European
Distance: 1.5356% / 1.53555617 | ADC: 0.25x
38.8 ashkenazy-jew
36.4 sephardic-jew
21.8 morocco-jew
3.0 bedouin




Unknown_European,0,0,5.57,0,0,1.20,0,38.15,0,0.88, 0,20.16,0,0,0.28,16.04,8.93,0,0,0.95,0,0,7.83

Distance to: Unknown_European
3.83482725 Turk_Jew
4.78363878 Sephardic_Jew
4.91220928 Italian_Jew
6.05372613 French_Jew
7.08381253 Sicilian_East
7.14300357 Moroccan_Jew
7.16350473 Cretan
8.09512816 Sicilian_Agrigento
8.46770335 Ashkenazi_Jew
8.82536685 Maltese
8.91051065 Sicilian_Siracusa
8.91301857 Syrian_Jew
9.40391408 Romanian_Jew
9.41371871 Sicilian_West
9.61153474 Sicilian_Center
9.76606369 Greek_Islands
9.78607173 Tunisian_Jew
9.83204455 Greek_Smyrna
10.16399528 Sicilian_Trapani
10.20387181 Libyan_Jew

Target: Unknown_European
Distance: 2.6099% / 2.60989655 | ADC: 0.5x
73.8 Turk_Jew
24.4 Cretan
1.8 Yemenite_Jew

Target: Unknown_European
Distance: 1.6918% / 1.69184422 | ADC: 0.25x
47.0 Turk_Jew
26.2 Sicilian_East
16.2 Cretan
4.2 Yemenite_Jew
4.0 Samaritian
2.0 Egyptian_Cairo
0.4 Koinanbe

[Pine]

Reasons to think you're a troll:

-Fake Jewish profiles doing precisely this have been common lately. Profile picture and results align with the goal of previous trolls, where they acted as overly zealous advocates of Levantine ancestry among Ashkenazim.
- A 29 year old Yekke? These people effectively don't exist. I've never met a young German Jew. There are historical reasons for this, of which the Holocaust isn't the only one. Most pure German/French Jews are too few and too old to use the internet.
- Converted to Catholicism because of your step-dad? Haven't seen this happen once.
- Your output format is off. More categories should show up beyond this:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 43.45
2 West_Med 19.36
3 North_Atlantic 14.91
4 West_Asian 9.83
5 Red_Sea 6.16
6 Baltic 3.68

It doesn't add up to even 98% and it stops at only 6. Something is off here.

Reasons to think you're not a troll:

-Yekkes are in fact the most south shifted Ashkenazim
-I've seen alleged Yekke results somewhat similar to yours, but they came from a troll
-The most south shifted Yekke results are often similar to Italkim
-As typical for Yekkes, you show a very high East Med : West Asian ratio, while scoring low Baltic. Rest of your results can't be commented on, as I don't see them. Which sub-clade of J-M67 are you?

[Leto]

Reasons to think you're a troll:

-Fake Jewish profiles doing precisely this have been common lately. Profile picture and results align with the goal of previous trolls, where they acted as overly zealous advocates of Levantine ancestry among Ashkenazim.
- A 29 year old Yekke? These people effectively don't exist. I've never met a young German Jew. There are historical reasons for this, of which the Holocaust isn't the only one. Most pure German/French Jews are too few and too old to use the internet.
- Converted to Catholicism because of your step-dad? Haven't seen this happen once.
- Your output format is off. More categories should show up beyond this:


It doesn't add up to even 98% and it stops at only 6. Something is off here.

Reasons to think you're not a troll:

-Yekkes are in fact the most south shifted Ashkenazim
-I've seen alleged Yekke results somewhat similar to yours, but they came from a troll
-The most south shifted Yekke results are often similar to Italkim
-As typical for Yekkes, you show a very high East Med : West Asian ratio, while scoring low Baltic. Rest of your results can't be commented on, as I don't see them. Which sub-clade of J-M67 are you?
What about the oracles I posted? The OP shared his components with me.
Also, France has the largest Jewish community in Europe and it's heavily Sephardic according to Wikipedia. Though there are Ashkenazim too, like Serge Gainsbourg
https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1lthkbw/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto,w_900,c_limit/http%3A%2F%2Fres.cloudinary.com%2Fdm1lthkbw%2Fimag e%2Fupload%2Fv1467925084%2FmemberUploads%2Fspencer schwartz-81055d8c-5333-4800-827c-f9c30d27406e.jpg

[Pine]

What about the oracles I posted? The OP shared his components with me.
Also, France has the largest Jewish community in Europe and it's heavily Sephardic according to Wikipedia. Though there are Ashkenazim too, like Serge Gainsbourg
https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1lthkbw/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto,w_900,c_limit/http%3A%2F%2Fres.cloudinary.com%2Fdm1lthkbw%2Fimag e%2Fupload%2Fv1467925084%2FmemberUploads%2Fspencer schwartz-81055d8c-5333-4800-827c-f9c30d27406e.jpg

Gainsbourg is Eastern Ashkenazi. Lives in France. He is 62. This guy is American, Yekke, and 29. As for the other oracles he shared with you, he could've easily found a kit number.

[Roy]

How are these results unusual?

[Samnium]

Gainsbourg is Eastern Ashkenazi. Lives in France. He is 62. This guy is American, Yekke, and 29. As for the other oracles he shared with you, he could've easily found a kit number.

He's dead... since 20 years.

[Unknown European]

Reasons to think you're a troll:

-Fake Jewish profiles doing precisely this have been common lately. Profile picture and results align with the goal of previous trolls, where they acted as overly zealous advocates of Levantine ancestry among Ashkenazim.
- A 29 year old Yekke? These people effectively don't exist. I've never met a young German Jew. There are historical reasons for this, of which the Holocaust isn't the only one. Most pure German/French Jews are too few and too old to use the internet.
- Converted to Catholicism because of your step-dad? Haven't seen this happen once.
- Your output format is off. More categories should show up beyond this:


It doesn't add up to even 98% and it stops at only 6. Something is off here.

Reasons to think you're not a troll:

-Yekkes are in fact the most south shifted Ashkenazim
-I've seen alleged Yekke results somewhat similar to yours, but they came from a troll
-The most south shifted Yekke results are often similar to Italkim
-As typical for Yekkes, you show a very high East Med : West Asian ratio, while scoring low Baltic. Rest of your results can't be commented on, as I don't see them. Which sub-clade of J-M67 are you?

I am under L210. You are right pure Yekkes are a endangered species

[Unknown European]

I definitely have no Mizrahi. and I am pretty sure I have no Sephardi ancestors at least recently. I have the surnames and maiden names of all my great great grandparents and all are German and French sounding. currently there is a large Sephardi population in France but I know the Jews of Alsace-Lorraine were always mostly Ashkenazi and I believe most Sephardi's recently immigrated there. My ancestors left for the united states in the mid to late 1800s. We arrived a little bit earlier than most Eastern Ashkenazi and they came in much larger numbers. I am fairly certain I am a pure Yekke or at least very close to pure despite our rarity. and my slightly strange results.

[Unknown European]

Reasons to think you're a troll:

-Fake Jewish profiles doing precisely this have been common lately. Profile picture and results align with the goal of previous trolls, where they acted as overly zealous advocates of Levantine ancestry among Ashkenazim.
- A 29 year old Yekke? These people effectively don't exist. I've never met a young German Jew. There are historical reasons for this, of which the Holocaust isn't the only one. Most pure German/French Jews are too few and too old to use the internet.
- Converted to Catholicism because of your step-dad? Haven't seen this happen once.
- Your output format is off. More categories should show up beyond this:


It doesn't add up to even 98% and it stops at only 6. Something is off here.

Reasons to think you're not a troll:

-Yekkes are in fact the most south shifted Ashkenazim
-I've seen alleged Yekke results somewhat similar to yours, but they came from a troll
-The most south shifted Yekke results are often similar to Italkim
-As typical for Yekkes, you show a very high East Med : West Asian ratio, while scoring low Baltic. Rest of your results can't be commented on, as I don't see them. Which sub-clade of J-M67 are you?

I probably copy and pasted wrong here are the rest

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 43.45
2 West_Med 19.36
3 North_Atlantic 14.91
4 West_Asian 9.83
5 Red_Sea 6.16
6 Baltic 3.68
7 Northeast_African 0.98
8 Oceanian 0.67
9 East_Asian 0.49
10 Sub-Saharan 0.46

[samario]

Congrats, you are a Jew.