GedMatch Question

[joanna_38]

So, i was looking again at my GEDMATCH results as always and i was a bit confused by a few things:

1. What are Secondary Populations and what do they mean and how accurate are they to my actual DNA results.

2. In my K13 results what do these mean: North_Atlantic 27.68 Pct // Baltic 28.95 Pct // West_Med 13.34 Pct // West_Asian 11.01 Pct // East_Med 12.82 Pct
(yes they are the same i inclued in my signature.)

3. My mom's parents locations are very wide-ranging which make my results look a bit off somehow and i'm also questioning where i'm closer genetically based on them. My mom's mom (grandma) (not alive anymore.) was born very close to Georgia but looking at my DNA results there seems to be 0 sign of Southern Russia or even Georgia in that case.

4. My mom's dad (grandpa) (still alive.) has no clue about his ethnic background besides the fact that he's Ukranian but he mentioned to my mom that there are "Gypsies" on his side, which make 0 sense again considering my DNA test results. (and even my GedMatch who i barely understand ) My grandpa has black hair (natural hair color.) (when he was younger.) and green eyes (and almost everyone in my grandpa's side, including my mom's sister, my cousin etc.) Most people that saw my grandpa when he was young thought that he was either Greek or something close to there. And my mom always told me that she didn't look Russian at all (phenotypically.) & my mom looks more like her dad than her mom as well.


I'm not trying to prove something with this post, this is more of a question/curiosity on my behalf because things are still vague in my DNA background and seeing myheritage results didn't help much (and ofcourse, can't afford for more tests at the moment so this is all i have atm.)

[Rabbit Hole]

I think it's both your parents together like it would lump you with one population for a single result and two for a second

For example mine ( second result ) was South East English-Levantine
and my single result was Italian Abruzzo luckily I did a haplogroup test and I ran my k36 to exactly what Levantine meant racially as the population now there sure as hell isn't remnant as what it was in 6ad.

[JosephK]

Being "mixed" as you are, the results won't mean very much. Your Greekness will give you higher Med and Southern Europe numbers than normal Slavs, and if your grandfather is only partially roma, then there's no reason to really expect much South Asian or Indian (if less than 3% or so)... Have you done MDLP World? I think that's best for mixed Europeans.

[Rabbit Hole]

Being "mixed" as you are, the results won't mean very much. Your Greekness will give you higher Med and Southern Europe numbers than normal Slavs, and if your grandfather is only partially roma, then there's no reason to really expect much South Asian or Indian (if less than 3% or so)... Have you done MDLP World? I think that's best for mixed Europeans.

She is asking about Ged match plotting not generic admixtures.

[joanna_38]

Being "mixed" as you are, the results won't mean very much. Your Greekness will give you higher Med and Southern Europe numbers than normal Slavs, and if your grandfather is only partially roma, then there's no reason to really expect much South Asian or Indian (if less than 3% or so)... Have you done MDLP World? I think that's best for mixed Europeans.

I mean, my grandpa could as well know nothing and just assume it was that. But that's all i know personally.

these are the MDLP results, hope they help.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_and_East_European 37.9
2 South_and_West_European 37.77
3 Middle_East 11.98
4 Caucaus_Parsia 10.17
5 Melanesian 0.92
6 Indian 0.69
7 Mesoamerican 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 6.81
2 Croatian_V 7.31
3 Croatian 7.66
4 Latvian_V 8.67
5 Hungarian 8.72
6 Serbian 9.67
7 Slovenian 10.2
8 Macedonian 10.35
9 Austrian 10.97
10 Czech 11.01
11 German 11.19
12 Slovakian 11.45
13 German_V 11.5
14 Montenegrin 11.51
15 Ukrainian-West 11.8
16 Bulgarian 12.18
17 Ukrainian_V 12.45
18 CEU_V 12.63
19 German-North 12.7
20 German-South 13.26


MIXED MODE


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% Slovakian + 17.6% Samaritian @ 0.95
2 86.6% Croatian_V + 13.4% Druze @ 1.11
3 88.1% Croatian_V + 11.9% Samaritian @ 1.15
4 86.3% Croatian_V + 13.7% Lebanese @ 1.15
5 86.7% Croatian_V + 13.3% Syrian @ 1.16
6 76.5% Swedish_V + 23.5% Samaritian @ 1.21
7 87.7% Croatian_V + 12.3% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.25
8 52.7% Ashkenazim_V + 47.3% Belarusian @ 1.25
9 87.1% Croatian_V + 12.9% Jew_Georgia @ 1.26
10 52.1% Latvian + 47.9% Sicilian @ 1.28
11 74.7% Ukrainian-West + 25.3% Jew_Italia @ 1.29
12 65% Polish + 35% Jew_Italia @ 1.29
13 87.5% Croatian_V + 12.5% Palestinian @ 1.32
14 77% Ukrainian-West + 23% Jew_Tunisia @ 1.34
15 53.7% Lithuanian + 46.3% Sicilian @ 1.35
16 57.9% Ashkenazim_V + 42.1% Lithuanian @ 1.35
17 56.3% Ashkenazim_V + 43.7% Lithuanian_V @ 1.35
18 75.9% Ukrainian-West + 24.1% Sephardim @ 1.35
19 69.1% Ukrainian + 30.9% Jew_Italia @ 1.37
20 68.8% Ukrainian-East + 31.2% Jew_France @ 1.38

[Rabbit Hole]

I mean, my grandpa could as well know nothing and just assume it was that. But that's all i know personally.

these are the MDLP results, hope they help.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_and_East_European 37.9
2 South_and_West_European 37.77
3 Middle_East 11.98
4 Caucaus_Parsia 10.17
5 Melanesian 0.92
6 Indian 0.69
7 Mesoamerican 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 6.81
2 Croatian_V 7.31
3 Croatian 7.66
4 Latvian_V 8.67
5 Hungarian 8.72
6 Serbian 9.67
7 Slovenian 10.2
8 Macedonian 10.35
9 Austrian 10.97
10 Czech 11.01
11 German 11.19
12 Slovakian 11.45
13 German_V 11.5
14 Montenegrin 11.51
15 Ukrainian-West 11.8
16 Bulgarian 12.18
17 Ukrainian_V 12.45
18 CEU_V 12.63
19 German-North 12.7
20 German-South 13.26


MIXED MODE


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% Slovakian + 17.6% Samaritian @ 0.95
2 86.6% Croatian_V + 13.4% Druze @ 1.11
3 88.1% Croatian_V + 11.9% Samaritian @ 1.15
4 86.3% Croatian_V + 13.7% Lebanese @ 1.15
5 86.7% Croatian_V + 13.3% Syrian @ 1.16
6 76.5% Swedish_V + 23.5% Samaritian @ 1.21
7 87.7% Croatian_V + 12.3% Jew-Iraqi @ 1.25
8 52.7% Ashkenazim_V + 47.3% Belarusian @ 1.25
9 87.1% Croatian_V + 12.9% Jew_Georgia @ 1.26
10 52.1% Latvian + 47.9% Sicilian @ 1.28
11 74.7% Ukrainian-West + 25.3% Jew_Italia @ 1.29
12 65% Polish + 35% Jew_Italia @ 1.29
13 87.5% Croatian_V + 12.5% Palestinian @ 1.32
14 77% Ukrainian-West + 23% Jew_Tunisia @ 1.34
15 53.7% Lithuanian + 46.3% Sicilian @ 1.35
16 57.9% Ashkenazim_V + 42.1% Lithuanian @ 1.35
17 56.3% Ashkenazim_V + 43.7% Lithuanian_V @ 1.35
18 75.9% Ukrainian-West + 24.1% Sephardim @ 1.35
19 69.1% Ukrainian + 30.9% Jew_Italia @ 1.37
20 68.8% Ukrainian-East + 31.2% Jew_France @ 1.38


You have something from the Near East Levant also do me a favour and please don't ignore me, what was your K36 ressult?

[joanna_38]

You have something from the Near East Levant also do me a favour and please don't ignore me, what was your K36 ressult?

here they are:


Population
Amerindian 0.44 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.40 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.05 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 12.03 Pct
East_Med 4.53 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.87 Pct
Fennoscandian 11.35 Pct
French 4.24 Pct
Iberian 10.52 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.52 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.55 Pct
North_African 0.77 Pct
North_Atlantic 5.35 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.29 Pct
North_Sea 5.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.95 Pct
West_Med 0.19 Pct

[Rabbit Hole]

here they are:


Population
Amerindian 0.44 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.40 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.05 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 12.03 Pct
East_Med 4.53 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.87 Pct
Fennoscandian 11.35 Pct
French 4.24 Pct
Iberian 10.52 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.52 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.55 Pct
North_African 0.77 Pct
North_Atlantic 5.35 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.29 Pct
North_Sea 5.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.95 Pct
West_Med 0.19 Pct


That's interesting you have no Near Eastern on that or Italian or Eastern Med did they give you the populations? I mean my result was Greek Italian and Anatolian from my Levantine part ( whatever the fuck that even means ) Did you ever get any physical South European or Near East Anatolian plotting on your k36 mapping? Your second score doesn't even match up to the first ones so I would have to see your matches physically ( although thanks for responding )

[joanna_38]

That's interesting you have no Near Eastern on that or Italian or Eastern Med did they give you the populations? I mean my result was Greek Italian and Anatolian from my Levantine part ( whatever the fuck that even means ) Did you ever get any physical South European or Near East Anatolian plotting on your k36 mapping? Your second score doesn't even match up to the first ones so I would have to see your matches physically ( although thanks for responding )

the problem is, we don't know if my grandpa is even saying the truth and afterall, every GEDMatch result i get, i get completely different results. one of the reasons i have trouble understanding GedMatch. One of the tests even made me look like i was Hungarian.

EDIT: all i know is, my mom's Russian & Ukranian (nationality wise) and my dad's Greek. That's it.

[Rabbit Hole]

the problem is, we don't know if my grandpa is even saying the truth and afterall, every GEDMatch result i get, i get completely different results. one of the reasons i have trouble understanding GedMatch. One of the tests even made me look like i was Hungarian.

EDIT: all i know is, my mom's Russian & Ukranian (nationality wise) and my dad's Greek. That's it.

Yeah and I thought that my mum was Levantine so imagine my surprise when I got Greek, Anatolian and Italian. If you show me your matches, then I can at least help you to shed some light.

[Rabbit Hole]

https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg
https://snipboard.io/gdbvUN.jpg
https://snipboard.io/4dLXKQ.jpg

My result from k36

[joanna_38]

https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg
https://snipboard.io/gdbvUN.jpg
https://snipboard.io/4dLXKQ.jpg

My result from k36

How do i get my matches, do i click on "GEDCOM + DNA matches" ? or are you talking about MyHeritage Matches?

[Rabbit Hole]

How do i get my matches, do i click on "GEDCOM + DNA matches" ? or are you talking about MyHeritage Matches?

No this is my population matches from Ged if you give your Ged match to this user here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?13647-Voskos your k36 result you can see the deeper matches like this and remember what I told you [B][I]general Levantine admixtures [B][U] are

[joanna_38]

No this is my population matches from Ged if you give your Ged match to this user here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?13647-Voskos your k36 result you can see the deeper matches like this and remember what I told you [B][I]general Levantine admixtures [B][U] are

Wait, so what do i do? Do i sent something to that user? And what do i exactly share with him? I went to "GEDCOM + DNA matches" and there is a lot of private information so i'm a bit confused as to what exactly to do. Can you please perhaps elaborate me on that so i don't make any mistakes?

[Rabbit Hole]

Wait, so what do i do? Do i sent something to that user? And what do i exactly share with him? I went to "GEDCOM + DNA matches" and there is a lot of private information so i'm a bit confused as to what exactly to do. Can you please perhaps elaborate me on that so i don't make any mistakes?

No he's just some sweet guy who helped me. What you have to do is this go to this website here https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm?fbclid=IwAR2JBR8rw-42jWrXhIfewix-GYN2iL-6wi9LuMOXSpVaWfO0CZqtwXAf-TE type in your match percentages on your k36 on Ged match press enter and you should have your result that I printed above this will make more sense to your heritage.

[Rabbit Hole]

Also, you should get a map with your percentage population. Do me a favour though, if you do manage to do it please share your result with me even in private because i am curious to know.

[Rabbit Hole]

And don't worry if you make mistakes you can just refresh the page or delete it and retype it anyway that guy will guide you ok? I hope it will help you discover your heritage because I was very surprised also.

[joanna_38]

Also, you should get a map with your percentage population. Do me a favour though, if you do manage to do it please share your result with me even in private because i am curious to know.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/6dddeb1926070cc9bdf225db8ccde0f6/668cc7eacee3f0cd-31/s1280x1920/a04b33069333747fa68cdcd4bf3d6a5ef01b0f37.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/d59a1d50a70ffa7ecd38d6860d8d51ef/668cc7eacee3f0cd-08/s1280x1920/1331cc246ff85a9e1993bde1acac9016e3afcd6f.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/fa3962a330107af707ad7abb13af3bc4/668cc7eacee3f0cd-01/s1280x1920/5c21ca5901ba5ddf740b80f47d5dd3129e05a839.png

[joanna_38]

And don't worry if you make mistakes you can just refresh the page or delete it and retype it anyway that guy will guide you ok? I hope it will help you discover your heritage because I was very surprised also.

Wait i forgot the middle eastern one. I'll do it again, please wait a bit.

[Rabbit Hole]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/6dddeb1926070cc9bdf225db8ccde0f6/668cc7eacee3f0cd-31/s1280x1920/a04b33069333747fa68cdcd4bf3d6a5ef01b0f37.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/d59a1d50a70ffa7ecd38d6860d8d51ef/668cc7eacee3f0cd-08/s1280x1920/1331cc246ff85a9e1993bde1acac9016e3afcd6f.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/fa3962a330107af707ad7abb13af3bc4/668cc7eacee3f0cd-01/s1280x1920/5c21ca5901ba5ddf740b80f47d5dd3129e05a839.png

Well you do have Greek and Spanish, Portuguese but the majority of your ancestry seems a mix of German and Polish, Hungarian ( ?) that's all you had to do you didn't have to even bother with that other test it's obviously bs.

[Rabbit Hole]

Wait i forgot the middle eastern one. I'll do it again, please wait a bit.

West Asian you mean?

[joanna_38]

Well you do have Greek and Spanish, Portuguese but the majority of your ancestry seems a mix of German and Polish, Hungarian ( ?) that's all you had to do you didn't have to even bother with that other test it's obviously bs.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e8edb60f7bca8949242c50b5dcce3a41/a9a65312503c5379-19/s1280x1920/6dc88a738ee4126315fe8d5e033399d0610a980f.png

this is the one i forgot.

So..

I'm still a bit confused. Because yeah, nationality wise, mom's Eastern European and dad's Greek.

This is my MyHeritage Results:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/12064ba1c1e2123e3dba4140227d4bb7/a9a65312503c5379-8f/s1280x1920/0628346f85e1f9ee497ae1a9e52a9eca0f1fbcf1.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/5af1a38587b53857a72a835ea2773d33/a9a65312503c5379-d1/s1280x1920/503c69aca1fb082bc1050e47a18202e1cd9447ed.png

[joanna_38]

West Asian you mean?

yes, bad wording. :|

[Rabbit Hole]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/e8edb60f7bca8949242c50b5dcce3a41/a9a65312503c5379-19/s1280x1920/6dc88a738ee4126315fe8d5e033399d0610a980f.png

this is the one i forgot.

So..

I'm still a bit confused. Because yeah, nationality wise, mom's Eastern European and dad's Greek.

This is my MyHeritage Results:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/12064ba1c1e2123e3dba4140227d4bb7/a9a65312503c5379-8f/s1280x1920/0628346f85e1f9ee497ae1a9e52a9eca0f1fbcf1.png

https://66.media.tumblr.com/5af1a38587b53857a72a835ea2773d33/a9a65312503c5379-d1/s1280x1920/503c69aca1fb082bc1050e47a18202e1cd9447ed.png
Ok well yes I got this they translate Levantine into West Asian. However the problem with that is that many West Asian countries are lumped in the same cats especially with heritage tests or they even mix it in with North African. But really West Asian is either Anatolian ( which you have displayed as being essentially Anatolian, Turkey Armenia ) and Levantine (Natufian ) like I said if they're going to clump you with Levantine like they did in the first test it really needs to be explained fully with k36 does it*well. Well there you have it, you're a mixture of Greek, East European, North European and slight from the Near East ( West Asia ) you are exactly who you say you are. :)

[joanna_38]

Ok well yes I got this they translate Levantine into West Asian. However the problem with that is that many West Asian countries are lumped in the same cats especially with heritage tests or they even mix it in with North African. But really West Asian is either Anatolian ( which you have displayed as being essentially Anatolian, Turkey Armenia ) and Levantine (Natufian ) like I said if they're going to clump you with Levantine like they did in the first test it really needs to be explained fully with k36 does well. Well there you have, it you're a mixture of Greek,East European North European and slight from the Near East ( West Asia ) you are exactly who you say you are. :)

Thank you! All my life, all i knew is that i'm just Greek, Russian & Ukranian because of my ancestors being from there. Either way, thank you.
Every day i'm learning something new, and i hope MyHeritage updates a lot in the future so i can see even more detail and all:)

[Rabbit Hole]

https://www.thoughtco.com/natufian-period-hunter-gatherers-171958

This is about Natufian

And this is about Anatolian farmers

https://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886

[Rabbit Hole]

Thank you! All my life, all i knew is that i'm just Greek, Russian & Ukranian because of my ancestors being from there. Either way, thank you.
Every day i'm learning something new, and i hope MyHeritage updates a lot in the future so i can see even more detail and all:)

That is essentially your result, if we get more details in the future that will be great but for now you won't get that much detail apart from that. Anyway, good results.

[gixajo]

here they are:
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Did you have already your k36 similarity rate map?

[joanna_38]

Did you have already your k36 similarity rate map?

What is a k36 similarity rate?

[gixajo]

What is a k36 similarity rate?

The similarity rate is the closeness with every population/region in %.

[gixajo]

These are your similarity maps, made with your k36 coordinates:

https://i.imgur.com/G5iJtTs.png

https://i.imgur.com/0Dnk861.png

https://i.imgur.com/DwfjKdn.png

[gixajo]

Here: https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

I think I put your coordinates coreectly, you can do yourself again if you want to be sure.

In my case I think it was quite accurate.

https://i.imgur.com/oKPc8BD.png

[gixajo]

It shows where your genetic admixture is closer to every population, not necessarily your origins.