ALLAHU AKBAR! :shocked: The most "NE European" North African sample ever!

[Sora]

Kit: T454022

Dodecad k12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 25.7
2 Atlantic_Med 24.3
3 Southwest_Asian 17.17
4 Caucasus 12.06
5 East_African 8.35
6 Sub_Saharan 7.35
7 North_European 4.16
8 Southeast_Asian 0.9

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 9.62
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 19.06
3 Moroccans (Behar) 19.54
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 27.61
5 Egyptans (Behar) 29
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 32.27
7 Canarias (1000Genomes) 32.41
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 33.69
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 34.04
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.63
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 34.88
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 35.61
13 Jordanians (Behar) 35.77
14 Palestinian (HGDP) 36.18
15 O_Italian (Dodecad) 36.32
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 36.59
17 Yemenese (Behar) 37.04
18 TSI30 (Metspalu) 37.32
19 Lebanese (Behar) 37.66
20 Murcia (1000Genomes) 37.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.1% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 6.11
2 83.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 6.16
3 83.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 6.19
4 83.6% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.4% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 6.23
5 83% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 6.24
6 83% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 6.44
7 84.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 6.45
8 84.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.3% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 6.5
9 84.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.8% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 6.62
10 86% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 6.64
11 84.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.8% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 6.64
12 85.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.2% Spaniards (Behar) @ 6.64
13 85.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.3% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 6.66
14 87% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13% French (HGDP) @ 6.68
15 83.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 6.7
16 86.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.7% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 6.71
17 84.6% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.4% Greek (Dodecad) @ 6.72
18 85.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.9% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 6.76
19 85.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.8% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 6.78
20 85.6% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.4% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 6.79

Harappaworld

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 31.91
2 SW-Asian 27.1
3 Caucasian 10.62
4 E-African 10.36
5 W-African 10.08
6 NE-Euro 8.55
7 SE-Asian 1.14
8 Papuan 0.21
9 Beringian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 moroccan (behar) 12.53
2 algeria (henn2012) 12.71
3 libya (henn2012) 13.99
4 mozabite (hgdp) 15.41
5 saharawi (henn2012) 15.95
6 morocco-n (henn2012) 17.25
7 morocco-s (henn2012) 21.17
8 tunisia (henn2012) 23.3
9 egypt (henn2012) 24
10 morocco-jew (behar) 25.1
11 egyptian (behar) 27.4
12 sephardic-jew (behar) 28.97
13 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 29.15
14 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 29.97
15 puerto-rican (bryc) 30.18
16 ashkenazi (harappa) 30.94
17 yemenese (behar) 31.59
18 tuscan (1000genomes) 31.99
19 tuscan (hgdp) 32.12
20 tuscan (hapmap) 32.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.7% moroccan (behar) + 23.3% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 3.82
2 76.6% moroccan (behar) + 23.4% romanian-a (behar) @ 4.11
3 66.6% saharawi (henn2012) + 33.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 4.22
4 71.8% saharawi (henn2012) + 28.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 4.27
5 72.3% moroccan (behar) + 27.7% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 4.47
6 73.1% moroccan (behar) + 26.9% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 4.65
7 71.8% saharawi (henn2012) + 28.2% romanian-a (behar) @ 4.84
8 66.1% saharawi (henn2012) + 33.9% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 5.04
9 67.7% mozabite (hgdp) + 32.3% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 5.07
10 72.1% moroccan (behar) + 27.9% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 5.15
11 73% mozabite (hgdp) + 27% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 5.38
12 67.8% saharawi (henn2012) + 32.2% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 5.52
13 74.5% moroccan (behar) + 25.5% italian (hgdp) @ 5.57
14 67.2% mozabite (hgdp) + 32.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 5.65
15 72.8% libya (henn2012) + 27.2% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 5.72
16 77.5% algeria (henn2012) + 22.5% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 5.81
17 73% mozabite (hgdp) + 27% romanian-a (behar) @ 5.84
18 72.5% saharawi (henn2012) + 27.5% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 5.86
19 80.7% moroccan (behar) + 19.3% hungarian (behar) @ 5.93
20 81.2% moroccan (behar) + 18.8% slovenian (xing) @ 5.95

puntDNAL K3 Global

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 36.27
2 SW_Asia 28.61
3 West_Africa 12.42
4 NE_Europe 8.94
5 East_Africa 6.84
6 West_Asia 4.78
7 SE_Asia 1.58
8 Oceania 0.46
9 Siberia 0.06
10 Americas 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 6.11
2 Mozabite 6.84
3 Saharawi 7.88
4 Moroccan 8.04
5 Tunisian 8.18
6 Egyptian 23.31
7 Sephardic_Jew 25.33
8 Egyptian_Copts 26.01
9 Italian_Sicilian 26.29
10 Ashkenazy_Jew 27.31
11 Puerto_Rican 27.33
12 Jordanian 27.79
13 Palestinian 28.35
14 Italian_Abruzzo 28.41
15 Greek_Central 30.12
16 Syrian 31.08
17 Cypriot 31.09
18 Italian_Tuscan 31.27
19 Albanian 31.32
20 Greek_Thessaly 31.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.4% Mozabite + 13.6% Bosnian @ 2.31
2 86.8% Mozabite + 13.2% Croatian @ 2.35
3 87.3% Mozabite + 12.7% Slovene @ 2.37
4 87.7% Mozabite + 12.3% Slovak @ 2.39
5 87.3% Mozabite + 12.7% Hungarian @ 2.39
6 85.7% Mozabite + 14.3% Serbian @ 2.41
7 86.8% Mozabite + 13.2% Moldavian @ 2.45
8 85.3% Mozabite + 14.7% Montenegrin @ 2.46
9 88.7% Mozabite + 11.3% Ukrainian @ 2.49
10 88.5% Mozabite + 11.5% German_North @ 2.51
11 87.8% Mozabite + 12.2% English @ 2.53
12 87.3% Mozabite + 12.7% Belgian @ 2.58
13 84.6% Mozabite + 15.4% Macedonian @ 2.58
14 87.5% Mozabite + 12.5% German_South @ 2.6
15 88.3% Mozabite + 11.7% Irish @ 2.6
16 85.1% Mozabite + 14.9% Romanian @ 2.61
17 88.2% Mozabite + 11.8% Orcadian @ 2.61
18 88.2% Mozabite + 11.8% Scottish @ 2.61
19 88.1% Mozabite + 11.9% Utahn_European @ 2.62
20 89.6% Mozabite + 10.4% Belarusian @ 2.64

[Marmara]

Mashallah

[Luso]

The origin of E-V13!

[Sora]

Mashallah


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqhJAZMDq4Q

[Leto]

What kind of bullshit sensationalism is that? Nassbean scored around 5% if I remember correctly.

[Nassbean]

What kind of bullshit sensationalism is that? Nassbean scored around 5% if I remember correctly.

Indeed 5.42%

[Sora]

What kind of bullshit sensationalism is that? Nassbean scored around 5% if I remember correctly.

Shhhhhhhhh..... we're joking ;)

Joke aside, I'm shocked that s/he's more NE European than an average NA. I've found that sample randomly and it's came out as 4% or 8% NE European. Normally, an average NA scores no more than 3% NE European

[Leto]

It's not a secret there is some "recent" European ancestry in North Africa. This individual may be the case (see the mixed mode)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.68
2 West_Med 22.55
3 Red_Sea 16.03
4 North_Atlantic 15.06
5 Sub-Saharan 10.74
6 Northeast_African 9.53
7 East_Asian 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian 4.35
2 Mozabite_Berber 4.83
3 Tunisian 6.63
4 Moroccan 6.7
5 Algerian_Jewish 20.34
6 Libyan_Jewish 20.43
7 Egyptian 20.77
8 Tunisian_Jewish 21.44
9 West_Sicilian 21.97
10 Sephardic_Jewish 22.07
11 Italian_Jewish 22.47
12 East_Sicilian 22.77
13 Ashkenazi 23.25
14 South_Italian 23.69
15 Tuscan 24.9
16 Italian_Abruzzo 25.13
17 Central_Greek 25.2
18 Bedouin 25.32
19 Greek_Thessaly 26.72
20 Jordanian 27.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% Algerian + 7.5% French_Basque @ 2.34
2 91.1% Algerian + 8.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.65
3 90.8% Algerian + 9.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.74
4 91.2% Algerian + 8.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.74
5 90.6% Algerian + 9.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.75
6 90% Algerian + 10% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.77
7 90.4% Algerian + 9.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.78
8 90.4% Algerian + 9.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.79
9 93.5% Algerian + 6.5% Southwest_English @ 2.83
10 91.9% Algerian + 8.1% Southwest_French @ 2.83
11 91.3% Algerian + 8.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.86
12 90.7% Algerian + 9.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.86
13 90.4% Algerian + 9.6% Portuguese @ 2.87
14 93.9% Algerian + 6.1% West_Scottish @ 2.87
15 92.8% Mozabite_Berber + 7.2% West_Scottish @ 2.89
16 92.5% Mozabite_Berber + 7.5% Southwest_English @ 2.91
17 91.1% Algerian + 8.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.91
18 93.9% Algerian + 6.1% Irish @ 2.92
19 89.1% Mozabite_Berber + 10.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.93
20 89.5% Mozabite_Berber + 10.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.95

[Alenka]

What % do they usually score?

[Sora]

What % do they usually score?


As far as I know, they generally score between 0%-3%. But I'm not an expert, Nassbean will answer better

[Leto]

Shhhhhhhhh..... we're joking ;)

Joke aside, I'm shocked that s/he's more NE European than an average NA. I've found that sample randomly and it's came out as 4% or 8% NE European. Normally, an average NA scores no more than 3% NE European
Yes, that's true. North Africans have little to no Steppe ancestry.

[Rabbit Hole]

The origin of E-V13!

Lol that's Red sea

[Sora]

NAs can have Euro admixture as 28%-30%, but they look no different than Peninsular Arabs?

https://www.robertharding.com/watermark.php?type=preview&im=RM/RH/HORIZONTAL/1161-7842

But their mixes (such as Moroccan + Korean, Algerian + Italian etc.) are very attractive. I have a half Moroccan(mother) half Turkish(father) classmate and she's very beautiful. Phenotypically She's Atlanto-Med + Alpine, and interestingly I've never guessed her as half Moroccan until she told about it

[Adamm]

NAs can have Euro admixture as 28%-30%, but they look no different than Peninsular Arabs?

https://www.robertharding.com/watermark.php?type=preview&im=RM/RH/HORIZONTAL/1161-7842

But their mixes (such as Moroccan + Korean, Algerian + Italian etc.) are very attractive. I have a half Moroccan(mother) half Turkish(father) classmate and she's very beautiful. Phenotypically She's Atlanto-Med + Alpine, and interestingly I've never guessed her as half Moroccan until she told about it

There is a huge overlap in MENA, it's normal to find Moroccans who can pass as someone from the middle east (like myself) or Middle Easterners who can pass as Moroccans. North Africans are genetically close to Middle Easterners.

[Nassbean]

As far as I know, they generally score between 0%-3%. But I'm not an expert, Nassbean will answer better

Indeed the average is between 0 and 3%. Here my results if you want to compare :

https://i.imgur.com/8X9EWEM.png

[Dr_Maul]

Possible Vandal ancestry? :viking1:

[Sora]

Indeed the average is between 0 and 3%. Here my results if you want to compare :


Nice results :o I guess those are how would Saad Lamjarred's, RedOne's and my classmate's mother's results would look like. I just gave them as examples because I think they look very atypical(except my classmate's mother, she looks typical Moroccan but her daughter never took after her :rolleyes: )

[Gaditanian]

Welcome to the Purest Northern Brotherhood

[Nassbean]

Possible Vandal ancestry? :viking1:

no vandals left no traces in NA most of this NE came via south european ancestors

[Nassbean]

Nice results :o I guess those are how would Saad Lamjarred's, RedOne's and my classmate's mother's results would look like. I just gave them as examples because I think they look very atypical(except my classmate's mother, she looks typical Moroccan but her daughter never took after her :rolleyes: )

the people you cited are average north africans there is nothing special about them it's just that north africans are diverse just like modern anatolians

[gixajo]

no vandals left no traces in NA most of this NE came via south european ancestors

I am sorry for you Nassbean, but you have Spanish ancestors.

[Nassbean]

I am sorry for you Nassbean, but you have Spanish ancestors.

Don't be sorry it was expected : most coastal north africans have some SE ancestors. Also on my deep dive matches on MTA most of my matches are romans or minoans (the more we go back in time the more diverse are our ancestors)

[Khamzat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqhJAZMDq4Q

Could you explain the video to me? I've spent a stupid amount of time trying to figure out whats happening

[Sora]

Could you explain the video to me? I've spent a stupid amount of time trying to figure out whats happening


Just a psycho pervert under the name of "khodja" and his kittens...

[Sora]

the people you cited are average north africans there is nothing special about them it's just that north africans are diverse just like modern anatolians


Hmmm... But they look always atypical to me for what reason :confused:

But Saad Lamjarred used to look more typical when he was younger
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm9UL4hCYAA0a64?format=jpg&name=small

Now he looks more atypical than his past image

https://www.albawaba.com/sites/default/files/styles/de2e_standard/public/2020-01/Saad%20Lamjarred%20Is%20Charged%20With%20Rape%21.j pg?h=8abcec71&itok=UpSHQ0rv

Maybe too much makeup, hair-dye(he'd dyed his hair blond once) or plastic surgery(some fans claimed that he may had plastic surgery) etc made him look more atypical...

[yamagi]

Some Northern Moroccans have Andalusian ancestry, because the Castillians expelled every Muslim Iberian to North Africa, that's why some score small amounts of North European.

[Nassbean]

Hmmm... But they look always atypical to me for what reason :confused:

But Saad Lamjarred used to look more typical when he was younger
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm9UL4hCYAA0a64?format=jpg&name=small

Now he looks more atypical than his past image

https://www.albawaba.com/sites/default/files/styles/de2e_standard/public/2020-01/Saad%20Lamjarred%20Is%20Charged%20With%20Rape%21.j pg?h=8abcec71&itok=UpSHQ0rv

Maybe too much makeup, hair-dye(he'd dyed his hair blond once) or plastic surgery(some fans claimed that he may had plastic surgery) etc made him look more atypical...

I don't understand what does he look like to you ? I can't see him passing in south europe or the middle east he looks NA to me

[Sora]

I don't understand what does he look like to you ? I can't see him passing in south europe or the middle east he looks NA to me


He looks like a regular South European to me. He even can pass as a local in Turkey, Iran, Azerbaijan, Afghanistan and even Turkmenistan and Tajikistan. I also think he has a Morisco ancestor, since most Moriscos(Muslims) in Iberia moved to North Africa after Reconquista.

I remember that I've seen a man from Russia(but ethnically he was 1/2 Uzbek + 1/4 Malay + 1/8 Russian-Ukranian + 1/8 Tatar) who looks like a copy of him. How that man ended up looking like Saad, I don't know :/

[Nassbean]

He looks like a regular South European to me. He even can pass as a local in Turkey, Iran, Azerbaijan, Afghanistan and even Turkmenistan and Tajikistan. I also think he has a Morisco ancestor, since most Moriscos(Muslims) in Iberia moved to North Africa after Reconquista.

I remember that I've seen a man from Russia(but ethnically he was 1/2 Uzbek + 1/4 Malay + 1/8 Russian-Ukranian + 1/8 Tatar) who looks like a copy of him. How that man ended up looking like Saad, I don't know :/

Honestly I disagree you can ask any south euro member they'll tell you that he doesn't look south euro at all.


Here with his family :

https://i.imgur.com/WCozAyg.jpg



He would fit among these moroccans quite easily :

https://i.imgur.com/aORYeqX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/s1Wzyp5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cFM97uz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AN2L37o.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/apvcnWs.jpg


While euro looking moroccans look different :

https://i.imgur.com/yX9hk9v.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CVmAcFT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/41PbS8B.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/c8AEOsR.jpg

[FinalFlash]

Shhhhhhhhh..... we're joking ;)

Joke aside, I'm shocked that s/he's more NE European than an average NA. I've found that sample randomly and it's came out as 4% or 8% NE European. Normally, an average NA scores no more than 3% NE European

Wow 4%? That's a massive difference from 0-3%

[Hajimurad]

Don't be sorry it was expected : most coastal north africans have some SE ancestors. Also on my deep dive matches on MTA most of my matches are romans or minoans (the more we go back in time the more diverse are our ancestors)

Which Y-DNA haplogroups have Andalusian Moors (Moriscos) of North Africa? Are they are same with modern Spaniards?

[Sora]

Honestly I disagree you can ask any south euro member they'll tell you that he doesn't look south euro at all.


Here with his family :


I thought he is atypical because whenever I say NA, something like this comes across my mind;

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/close-portrait-arabic-nice-man-600w-375386311.jpg

[Nassbean]

Which Y-DNA haplogroups have Andalusian Moors (Moriscos) of North Africa? Are they are same with modern Spaniards?

it depends but most of them have the r1b haplogroup and genetically they are mainly north african with a big iberian component

[Nassbean]

I thought he is atypical because whenever I say NA, something like this comes across my mind;

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/close-portrait-arabic-nice-man-600w-375386311.jpg

hahah no this guy doesn't look north african at all he looks mexican to me. I posted pictures of me btw

[Leto]

I remember that I've seen a man from Russia(but ethnically he was 1/2 Uzbek + 1/4 Malay + 1/8 Russian-Ukranian + 1/8 Tatar) who looks like a copy of him. How that man ended up looking like Saad, I don't know :/
Malay? Are you kiddin'? There is no Malays in Russia.

[Hajimurad]

it depends but most of them have the r1b haplogroup and genetically they are mainly north african with a big iberian component

of which subclade? or branch?

[Sora]

Malay? Are you kiddin'? There is no Malays in Russia.


No, I'm serious. I know there are no Malays in Russia. His Malay grandparent is probably from Malaysia(because he had Malaysian, Russian and Uzbek flags on his bio, my friend sent me his profile). Also he is 23 years old

[Nassbean]

of which subclade? or branch?

R1b-U152, R1b-DF27, R1b-Z195 based on what I saw (there are probably many other subclades ofc)

[Hajimurad]

R1b-U152, R1b-DF27, R1b-Z195 based on what I saw (there are probably many other subclades ofc)

Do Y-DNA haplogroups of Andalusian Moors have results related to Syria-Lebanon (Phoenician non-Jewish) and to Berbers?

[Nassbean]

Do Y-DNA haplogroups of Andalusian Moors have results related to Syria-Lebanon (Phoenician non-Jewish) and to Berbers?

that's difficult to know because those moors mixed with the local north african population but it's not rare to find some J2 and J1 (I'm myself J1). And based on the studies we have most of moors in Al andalus were r1b-M269, e1b1b and some J2a

[Hajimurad]

that's difficult to know because those moors mixed with the local north african population but it's not rare to find some J2 and J1 (I'm myself J1). And based on the studies we have most of moors in Al andalus were r1b-M269, e1b1b and some J2a

To which Berber, Iberian and Italian sub-groups they are close?

[Nassbean]

To which Berber, Iberian and Italian sub-groups they are close?

It depends some samples were surprisingly quite close to italians. Some were of course close to iberians and south-eastern iberians were in average half north african (even before the moorish conquest). They think it's probably due to the punic presence or later roman presence : " These results demonstrate that by the Roman period, southern Iberia had experienced a major influx of North African ancestry, probably related to the well-known mobility patterns during the Roman Empire (22) or to the earlier Phoenician-Punic presence (23); the latter is also supported by the observation of the Phoenician-associated Y-chromosome J2 (24)."

source : https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect.pdf