Im like 6% russian technically but none in my results

[Mortimer]

Whats up? 23andMe says 4% hungarian though. MyHeritageDNA says 4% Baltic. But I cannot distinguish the hungarian/baltic from the results of someone who is "just" part serb how can I differentiate out if there is any 6% russian? According to my mum her great grandfather was a russian. But of course there is nothing russian about her or her family neither from look nor from culture, but of course it is very distant so in a mostly dark/brown/gypsy race it wouldnt be visible. It is like saying Im African American and my great grandfather was russian, obviously it wouldnt be any difference to a full african-american. Right? But DNA should show it.

[yamagi]

Big deals in life

[Chris596]

All I know is that 23andMe sometimes cannot really tell the difference between Eastern European regions. Maybe that 4% Baltic or Hungarian is confused with the Russian ancestry. This is all I know.

[Leto]

Nah, your mom is 100 percent Romani and your results are completely in line with that. Stop trying to get more attention.

[Mortimer]

Nah, your mom is 100 percent Romani and your results are completely in line with that. Stop trying to get more attention.

Maybe she is. But I was told both by my mum and her brother that their great grandfather was a russian. Do you think that was a myth?

[Ülev]

привет Морти, как дело?

[Leto]

Maybe she is. But I was told both by my mum and her brother that their great grandfather was a russian. Do you think that was a myth?
Well, without testing her we will never know. In you it's far too distant to be detectable.

[Mortimer]

привет Морти, как дело?

Im ok bro. Thanks. But I dont speak russian, but because I speak serbian and know serbian cyrillic I could interpret now what you said. Kak delo means how are you right?

[Ülev]

Im ok bro. Thanks. But I dont speak russian, but because I speak serbian and know serbian cyrillic I could interpret now what you said. Kak delo means how are you right?

exactly

[Ion Basescul]

You'd be struggling to detect it at 1/8th, let alone 1/16th, because it will simply blend with the dominant components in Serbs. If it were something exotic that is atypical in Serbs, then perhaps even at 1/16th it would have been possible to detect.

[Grace O'Malley]

Whats up? 23andMe says 4% hungarian though. MyHeritageDNA says 4% Baltic. But I cannot distinguish the hungarian/baltic from the results of someone who is "just" part serb how can I differentiate out if there is any 6% russian? According to my mum her great grandfather was a russian. But of course there is nothing russian about her or her family neither from look nor from culture, but of course it is very distant so in a mostly dark/brown/gypsy race it wouldnt be visible. It is like saying Im African American and my great grandfather was russian, obviously it wouldnt be any difference to a full african-american. Right? But DNA should show it.

A great grandfather is not distant but I would say you know that your great grandfather is not Russian. This is my daughter's result on MyHeritage. She comes out with Eastern European, Greek and West Asian and none of it is real. She is fully Irish so I would always go for a verified paper trail. I get Ashkenazi Jewish.

https://i.imgur.com/Fpzx8Dn.png

I've noticed that some people's family history is notoriously inaccurate so you need a verified paper trail not just what some family member tell you.

This is my brother's result.

https://i.imgur.com/QP15sv6.png

They seem pretty good at getting your main ancestry but the trace ancestries are not really reliable as all my family get different trace ancestries on MyHeritage.

[Kyp]

They seem pretty good at getting your main ancestry but the trace ancestries are not really reliable as all my family get different trace ancestries on MyHeritage.


True. For example my trace ancestry was Ashkenazi Jewish (1-2%), while both my parents didn't get it. Probably just because Ashekanazi Jews have a mix of multiple components from Europe and West Asia.

I noticed a lot of Euro-WestAsia mixes get Ashkenazi as trace ancestry too.

[Mortimer]

A great grandfather is not distant but I would say you know that your great grandfather is not Russian. This is my daughter's result on MyHeritage. She comes out with Eastern European, Greek and West Asian and none of it is real. She is fully Irish so I would always go for a verified paper trail. I get Ashkenazi Jewish.



Why do you assume I would "know" hat my great grandfather was not russian. And it is not my great grandfather, but the great grandfather of my mum, so my great great grandfather. Also it was the grandfather of my grandmother, and she told it to my mum. Why would my grandmother not know that her grandfather was russian? And why would they lie to me? And why would you assume I "know" that it is a lie? Do you say I just made this up for fun or because Im a troll?

[Grace O'Malley]

Why do you assume I would "know" hat my great grandfather was not russian. And it is not my great grandfather, but the great grandfather of my mum, so my great great grandfather. Also it was the grandfather of my grandmother, and she told it to my mum. Why would my grandmother not know that her grandfather was russian? And why would they lie to me? And why would you assume I "know" that it is a lie? Do you say I just made this up for fun or because Im a troll?

Well your first post. That was my interpretation. It appeared you were dubious. IDK but you appear to be giving mixed signals. What do you want people to say?

[Mortimer]

Well your first post. That was my interpretation. It appeared you were dubious. IDK but you appear to be giving mixed signals. What do you want people to say?

Im dubious because my results dont show russia as location. So I ask how my family history fits with my results. I dont say I know that it is a lie. It can true what my family said and still not in my results. Sometimes results dont show it right. Why would you think I certainly know this is all made up. That means Im a troll here.

[Grace O'Malley]

Im dubious because my results dont show russia as location. So I ask how my family history fits with my results. I dont say I know that it is a lie. It can true what my family said and still not in my results. Sometimes results dont show it right. Why would you think I certainly know this is all made up. That means Im a troll here.

I don't think people are lying but sometimes people have notoriously inaccurate verbal histories of their ancestry. It's just because people hear a story in the past and then pass it on as fact. This happens quite a lot which is why you need a verified paper trail.

[Ion Basescul]

Why do you assume I would "know" hat my great grandfather was not russian. And it is not my great grandfather, but the great grandfather of my mum, so my great great grandfather. Also it was the grandfather of my grandmother, and she told it to my mum. Why would my grandmother not know that her grandfather was russian? And why would they lie to me? And why would you assume I "know" that it is a lie? Do you say I just made this up for fun or because Im a troll?

As I mentioned previously, at this distance in the past and due to your combination of genes, it will be hard to detect on calculators. But you might have luck with relatives and triangulation.

https://dna-explained.com/2019/12/18/triangulation-in-action-at-myheritage/

[Mortimer]

I don't think people are lying but sometimes people have notoriously inaccurate verbal histories of their ancestry. It's just because people hear a story in the past and then pass it on as fact. This happens quite a lot which is why you need a verified paper trail.

My grandmother had a picture of her grandfather and he was white. Does that count? I dont have this picture but he looked russian according to my mum who saw the picture. Also it is not as distant, to make clearly a myth. Because it was the grandfather of my grandmother and she knew him. My grandmother passed this on.

[Mortimer]

As I mentioned previously, at this distance in the past and due to your combination of genes, it will be hard to detect on calculators. But you might have luck with relatives and triangulation.

https://dna-explained.com/2019/12/18/triangulation-in-action-at-myheritage/

True. Also because I have part serbian ancestry, and all gypsies have part balkan and eastern european ancestry on calculators. It is hard to tell here.

[Grace O'Malley]

My grandmother had a picture of her grandfather and he was white. Does that count? I dont have this picture but he looked russian according to my mum who saw the picture. Also it is not as distant, to make clearly a myth. Because it was the grandfather of my grandmother and she knew him. My grandmother passed this on.

That's for you to judge but how can you tell from old pictures? Surely you can verify a great grandfather? I have the details of all my great grandparents and I'm from a country where a lot of records were destroyed. Anyway you seem a bit antagonistic lately but I'm just giving you non-biased advice. You can't be sure unless you have an accurate paper trail. You can take it or leave it.

[Mortimer]

That's for you to judge but how can you tell from old pictures? Surely you can verify a great grandfather? I have the details of all my great grandparents and I'm from a country where a lot of records were destroyed. Anyway you seem a bit antagonistic lately but I'm just giving you non-biased advice. You can't be sure unless you have an accurate paper trail. You can take it or leave it.

What does antagonistic mean?

I respect and accept your opinion. Like you said Im dubious myself. Because I never met him and it is only something I was told by others. And my results dont show russia. But I didnt made this up, nor know whether that is true or not. Thats why I ask. You said I know this, as if I want to troll or lie.

[Leto]

Why would a Russian go to Serbia which has never even had a sizeable Russian population and assimilate there among the Gypsies? That beats me :confused:

[Chris596]

Do you know where he came from? (which part of Russia?). I have a friend and his great grandfather was also Russian, from Stavropol Krai. And he looks kind of North Caucasian if you know what I'm saying.

[Chris596]

Why would a Russian go to Serbia which has never even had a sizeable Russian population and assimilate there among the Gypsies? That beats me :confused:

It can happen, I heard some stories , in countries like Romania, Serbia, Hungary, etc. Also some soldiers remained in these countries after the first World War, but some of them never became citizens.

[Mortimer]

Why would a Russian go to Serbia which has never even had a sizeable Russian population and assimilate there among the Gypsies? That beats me :confused:

I was told he was a Cossack so maybe a white Russian refugee. It is unusual that he became gypsy but maybe his wife was beautiful and he liked her no idea it is definitely unusual

[Ion Basescul]

It can happen, I heard some stories , in countries like Romania, Serbia, Hungary, etc. Also some soldiers remained in these countries after the first World War, but some of them never became citizens.

In Romania, there are historic Russian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipovans) communities and Russians from R. Moldova can also settle there easily. So the situation with Serbia is not really comparable.

[Malagueña]

All I know is that 23andMe sometimes cannot really tell the difference between Eastern European regions. Maybe that 4% Baltic or Hungarian is confused with the Russian ancestry. This is all I know.

Yeah this happens too often

[Chris596]

In Romania, there are historic Russian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipovans) communities and Russians from R. Moldova can also settle there easily. So the situation with Serbia is not really comparable.

That person is exactly from today's Romania, Transylvania, his great grandfather assimilated as a Russian soldier and married his great grandmother, they had 8 kids I think. The children took the mother's name because the state did not recognize the man as their father.

[TheMaestro]

Yes her great grandfather was Russian gypsy, debunked... If none of your family looks non gypsy, then its highly unlikely he was “Russian slav”. Dont forget Russia is a country with hundreds ethnics.

[Mortimer]

Yes her great grandfather was Russian gypsy, debunked... If none of your family looks non gypsy, then its highly unlikely he was “Russian slav”. Dont forget Russia is a country with hundreds ethnics.

According to my family he looked white I never saw him though

[PaleoEuropean]

6% isn't likely to show up, people who show people who are 6% on a test are more like 10-15%, you have to adjust for the margin of error.