The dna of Sicily

[Rabbit Hole]

The genuine ( long awaited ) dna of Sicily by a Sicilian ( not Skill-nots opinion )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNQsyJSpKZU&t=108s

History Of Greek colonies In Sicily.

[Rocinante]

The real greek leftover in Sicily is in Sicarussa, they are genetically closer to Thessalians.

[MinervaItalica]

The real greek leftover in Sicily is in Sicarussa, they are genetically closer to Thessalians.

lol

*Siracusa

[Rocinante]

lol

*Siracusa

Sarausa*

https://scn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarausa

[Rabbit Hole]

lol

*Siracusa

Right. exactly.

[Rabbit Hole]

The real greek leftover in Sicily is in Sicarussa, they are genetically closer to Thessalians.

I'd be interested to see their plots if it's available.

[dududud]

He's 25% english, i think.

[xripkan]

Syracusa K15

Eurogenes:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.21
2 West_Med 19.22
3 West_Asian 16.32
4 Atlantic 10.4
5 North_Sea 9.36
6 Baltic 7.83
7 Red_Sea 4.03
8 Eastern_Euro 3.17
9 Northeast_African 1.25
10 Southeast_Asian 0.15
11 Sub-Saharan 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 3.72
2 East_Sicilian 4.7
3 South_Italian 4.79
4 Ashkenazi 6.81
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.78
6 Greek 8.54
7 Greek_Thessaly 8.62
8 West_Sicilian 9.11
9 Italian_Jewish 9.34
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.59
11 Algerian_Jewish 10.72
12 Tuscan 12.56
13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.04
14 Cyprian 14.16
15 Libyan_Jewish 14.79
16 Bulgarian 16.1
17 Turkish 17.88
18 Lebanese_Muslim 17.91
19 Romanian 18.42
20 North_Italian 18.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% Greek_Thessaly + 36.6% Cyprian @ 3.39
2 90.1% Central_Greek + 9.9% Cyprian @ 3.4
3 91.6% Central_Greek + 8.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.48
4 94.4% Central_Greek + 5.6% Samaritan @ 3.51
5 94.9% Central_Greek + 5.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.53
6 95.8% Central_Greek + 4.2% Armenian @ 3.58
7 95.7% Central_Greek + 4.3% Assyrian @ 3.59
8 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.59
9 76.6% Central_Greek + 23.4% South_Italian @ 3.6
10 96.2% Central_Greek + 3.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.6
11 99% Central_Greek + 1% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 3.61
12 95.2% Central_Greek + 4.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.62
13 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Jordanian @ 3.62
14 96.5% Central_Greek + 3.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.62
15 99.1% Central_Greek + 0.9% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 3.63
16 96.6% Central_Greek + 3.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.63
17 92.5% Central_Greek + 7.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.63
18 95.8% Central_Greek + 4.2% Syrian @ 3.63
19 99.1% Central_Greek + 0.9% Hadza @ 3.64
20 97.3% Central_Greek + 2.7% Egyptian @ 3.64

Very close to Maniots.

[Rabbit Hole]

He's 25% english, i think.

Who is?

[Rabbit Hole]

Syracusa K15

Eurogenes:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.21
2 West_Med 19.22
3 West_Asian 16.32
4 Atlantic 10.4
5 North_Sea 9.36
6 Baltic 7.83
7 Red_Sea 4.03
8 Eastern_Euro 3.17
9 Northeast_African 1.25
10 Southeast_Asian 0.15
11 Sub-Saharan 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 3.72
2 East_Sicilian 4.7
3 South_Italian 4.79
4 Ashkenazi 6.81
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.78
6 Greek 8.54
7 Greek_Thessaly 8.62
8 West_Sicilian 9.11
9 Italian_Jewish 9.34
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.59
11 Algerian_Jewish 10.72
12 Tuscan 12.56
13 Tunisian_Jewish 14.04
14 Cyprian 14.16
15 Libyan_Jewish 14.79
16 Bulgarian 16.1
17 Turkish 17.88
18 Lebanese_Muslim 17.91
19 Romanian 18.42
20 North_Italian 18.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% Greek_Thessaly + 36.6% Cyprian @ 3.39
2 90.1% Central_Greek + 9.9% Cyprian @ 3.4
3 91.6% Central_Greek + 8.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.48
4 94.4% Central_Greek + 5.6% Samaritan @ 3.51
5 94.9% Central_Greek + 5.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.53
6 95.8% Central_Greek + 4.2% Armenian @ 3.58
7 95.7% Central_Greek + 4.3% Assyrian @ 3.59
8 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.59
9 76.6% Central_Greek + 23.4% South_Italian @ 3.6
10 96.2% Central_Greek + 3.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.6
11 99% Central_Greek + 1% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 3.61
12 95.2% Central_Greek + 4.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.62
13 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Jordanian @ 3.62
14 96.5% Central_Greek + 3.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.62
15 99.1% Central_Greek + 0.9% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 3.63
16 96.6% Central_Greek + 3.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.63
17 92.5% Central_Greek + 7.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.63
18 95.8% Central_Greek + 4.2% Syrian @ 3.63
19 99.1% Central_Greek + 0.9% Hadza @ 3.64
20 97.3% Central_Greek + 2.7% Egyptian @ 3.64

Very close to Maniots.

Yes I was surprised that Sicilians match with Central Greeks, I would assume they might be more similar to Greek islanders. But like he said on the video it was Ionian and Doric. so I guess they'd match up to populations there.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Yes I was surprised that Sicilians match with Central Greeks, I would assume they might be more similar to Greek islanders. But like he said on the video it was Ionian and Doric. so I guess they'd match up to populations there.

Central_Greek is a sample from Athens which includes Greek Islanders. It's a southern-plotting Greek sample.

[Rabbit Hole]

Central_Greek is a sample from Athens which includes Greek Islanders. It's a southern-plotting Greek sample.

How do they tally that then?

[Samnium]

Central_Greek is a sample from Athens which includes Greek Islanders. It's a southern-plotting Greek sample.

Central_Greek is misleading because almost all Mainlanders (including Central Greeks) plot northern of it.

[Rabbit Hole]

Central_Greek is misleading because almost all Mainlanders (including Central Greeks) plot northern of it.

How do they tally it? How do they make it on average a Greek islander would be the same as a central Greek?

[Rgvgjhvv]

How do they tally it? How do they make it on average a Greek islander would be the same as a central Greek?

It's just named wrong.

[Rabbit Hole]

It's just named wrong.

Yes I don't like that eurogenes thing anyway, the k36 is better because it gives you more ethnicity detail. I am not saying it's not accurate it is, but I am saying some of their plots and names for plotting is just confusing.

[Samnium]

Yes I don't like that eurogenes thing anyway, the k36 is better because it gives you more ethnicity detail. I am not saying it's not accurate it is, but I am saying some of their plots and names for plotting is just confusing.

Eurogenes is only to find results that you can't see on G25, it's no precise, no way. Like the rest of Gedmatch.

[Rabbit Hole]

Eurogenes is only to find results that you can't see on G25, it's no precise, no way. Like the rest of Gedmatch.

The thing with k36 is that it given me samples and time periods and people, instead of lumping me in the Levant and close to Cypriots it told me nothing about my ethnicity, especially since Cypriots are nothing like modern day Levantines. Also they do they lump Ashkenazis in the euro zone even though sure they're not in line with Europeans in their plots and clustering seperately, and many other stuff like Italian Jewish being away from Ashkenazis? And East Med ( which IS the Levant ) floating around in mid air like it's a piece of string.

At least k36 given me Anatolia, Mycenaean, Natufian which I know would make more sense. You can't give general plots about people and not explain ethnicity it's bullshit and won't make sense to people that's don't know history.

[Samnium]

The thing with k36 is that it given me samples and time periods and people, instead of lumping me in the Levant and close to Cypriots it told me nothing about my ethnicity, especially since Cypriots are nothing like modern day Levantines. Also they do they lump Ashkenazis in the euro zone even though sure they're not in line with Europeans in their chance and clustering seperately, and many other stuff like Italian Jewish being away from Ashkenazis? And East Med ( which IS the Levant ) floating around in mid air like it's a piece of string.

At least k36 given me Anatolia, Mycenaean, Natufian which I know would make more sense. You can't give general plots about people and not explain ethnicity it's bullshit and won't make sense to people that's don't know history.

Yeah I entirely agree, Eurogenes K13 labels and plotting are quite meaningless, to have ancient populations the best is G25 sure.

Ashkenazis are in average half SW Euro half Levant, so they aren't "fully" european, sure.

[Rabbit Hole]

Oh yes more important K36 gives you the time periods that those people and markers were found because that's important also

[Rabbit Hole]

Yeah I entirely agree, Eurogenes K13 labels and plotting are quite meaningless, to have ancient populations the best is G25 sure.

Ashkenazis are in average half SW Euro half Levant, so they aren't "fully" european, sure.

Ashkenazis are half modern day Levant, not Bronze Age Levant Bronze Age Levantines were part Mycenaean and part Anatolian farmer and that dna is seen in Greek Cypriots more than anything else it may be seen in Levantines but only those with Bronze Age samples.

Ashkenazis get part Tuscan part Assyrian dna in their averages or Druze? Don't know what that is about either.

[Samnium]

Ashkenazis are half modern day Levant, not Bronze Age Levant Bronze Age Levantines were part Mycenaean and part Anatolian farmer and that dna is seen in Greek Cypriots more than anything else it may be seen in Levantines but only those with Bronze Age samples.

Ashkenazis get part Tuscan part Assyrian dna in their averages or Druze? Don't know what that is about either.

Yes half modern day Levant (not Bronze Age).

Ashkenazis are kind like halfway between Tuscans and Druze I would say, Tuscans are quite close to Northern Italians as well, more southern of it however.

They can be modeled as 55% Druze 45% Tuscan (something like that), there are variations also.

[Rabbit Hole]

Yes half modern day Levant (not Bronze Age).

Ashkenazis are kind like halfway between Tuscans and Druze I would say, Tuscans are quite close to Northern Italians as well, more southern of it however.

They can be modeled as 55% Druze 45% Tuscan (something like that), there are variations also.

Yes something like that. That's why I don't like using generic terms like Levant and if I were to use the term Levant, I would explain the reasons why and who are the original people were in those regions. :)

[Avicii86]

Sicilians have large Anatolian admixture. Most likely from the Greek Islands. Or Byzantine roots.

[Rabbit Hole]

Sicilians have large Anatolian admixture. Most likely from the Greek Islands. Or Byzantine roots.

Sicilians don't have a large Anatolian admixture it's just from Bronze Age farmers anyway

[Rocinante]

Sicilians have large Anatolian admixture. Most likely from the Greek Islands. Or Byzantine roots.

It's EEF, like every european.

[Rabbit Hole]

It's EEF, like every european.

Who were Anatolian/Natufian

[Rocinante]

Who were Anatolian/Natufian

The EEF were mainly form Barcin, Anatolia, and the levantine farmer are natufians, from the Levant.

Both comes from the Pre-Pottery Neolithic peoples, of course today they are not the same, but related.

The natufian in Europe peaks in southern italians and southern greeks.

[Rabbit Hole]

The EEF were mainly form Barcin, Anatolia, and the levantine farmer are natufians, from the Levant.

Both comes from the Pre-Pottery Neolithic peoples, of course today they are not the same, but related.

The natufian in Europe peaks in southern italians and southern greeks.

Natufian populated the Levant but they were of a Anatolian ethnic origin they were pre pottery farmers. Farmers were all Anatolian.

Yes but it's in other places in Europe also as you say it means nothing.

[Rabbit Hole]

The EEF were mainly form Barcin, Anatolia, and the levantine farmer are natufians, from the Levant.

Both comes from the Pre-Pottery Neolithic peoples, of course today they are not the same, but related.

The natufian in Europe peaks in southern italians and southern greeks.

Natufian populated the Levant but they were of a Anatolian ethnic origin they were pre pottery farmers. Farmers were all Anatolian.

Yes but it's in other places in Europe also as you say it means nothing.

[Rocinante]

Natufian populated the Levant but they were of a Anatolian ethnic origin they were pre pottery farmers. Farmers were all Anatolian.

Yes but it's in other places in Europe also as you say it means nothing.

Sorta, yes.

They all come from Anatolia, but no necesarelly the same, most genetically. There is a reason why EEF that close to Natufian.

[Tauromachos]

Yes I was surprised that Sicilians match with Central Greeks, I would assume they might be more similar to Greek islanders. But like he said on the video it was Ionian and Doric. so I guess they'd match up to populations there.

It depends

All Sicilians are similar to Greek Islanders and some(for example here Syracusans) even to Mainland Greeks

Only Mainlanders with higher Slavic are off because Slavic is low everywhere in Sicily and the Greek Islands

[Konstantinos]

Sicilians are mostly Greek + minor "Italic", Levantine, North African

[Tauromachos]

Sicilians are mostly Greek + minor "Italic", Levantine, North African

Levantine and North African is minor ,Greek and Italian major

[Rabbit Hole]

It depends

All Sicilians are similar to Greek Islanders and some(for example here Syracusans) even to Mainland Greeks

Only Mainlanders with higher Slavic are off because Slavic is low everywhere in Sicily and the Greek Islands
Yes but that's why they're hot.

[Rabbit Hole]

Sicilians are mostly Greek + minor "Italic", Levantine, North African

Even in North Africa the mix of the Red Sea is coastal it's Ancient Egyptian.

Unless you mean North African Moor? That's really minimal nothing more than 2 to 3 percent tops.

[Rabbit Hole]

Levantine and North African is minor ,Greek and Italian major

North African is Red Sea and coastal so is Levantine

North East African is minimal

[Rabbit Hole]

Sorta, yes.

They all come from Anatolia, but no necesarelly the same, most genetically. There is a reason why EEF that close to Natufian.

No, Natufians were Anatolian farmers in genetics. They were just pre pottery farmers. Anatolian farmers spread out in all different directions according to time periods. Natufian spread out in the South Levant but it's only seen in North Levantine genetics. Jerico was one of the main areas, probably ''the main area'' of that heritage their genetics is ''Eurasian West Asian'' just like a Anatolian would be.

EEF is early European farmer that's all because they were basically the first farmers, ( pre pottery ) the first agriculturalists, the pioneers yap, yap however you want to call it.

[Konstantinos]

Even in North Africa the mix of the Red Sea is coastal it's Ancient Egyptian.

Unless you mean North African Moor? That's really minimal nothing more than 2 to 3 percent tops.

Greek mostly + minor Italic, Phoenician, Moor in that order.

[Tauromachos]

North African is Red Sea and coastal so is Levantine

North East African is minimal

Cool

[Rabbit Hole]

Greek mostly + minor Italic, Phoenician, Moor in that order.

Yes. :)

[Tauromachos]

Yes. :)

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