In search of ancestors: Kaspias

[Kaspias]

I thought why not to prepare a thread for myself :P



This is how I modeled:

https://i.ibb.co/19Z7qSg/Kaspias1.png

I'm going to subtract these components step by step.

1- Balkanite (Turkic+Fars removed)

(A reminder here, Greek Peloponnese is actually from Thrace and mislabeled)

https://i.ibb.co/cbWKNN9/Balkanite-vert.jpg

1a- Thracian(Turkic+Fars+Slavic removed)

https://i.ibb.co/9GmXskz/Thracianancient-horz.jpg

1b- Slavic(Turkic+Fars+Thracian removed)

It is interesting. Apparently Germanic DNA is also present there!

https://i.ibb.co/PzMDbBk/Slavicancient-horz.jpg

2- Ottoman(Thracian+Slavic removed)

https://i.ibb.co/XjVTbPs/ottomanancient-horz.jpg

2a- Iranic(Thracian+Slavic+Turkic removed)

https://i.ibb.co/Q6y3bFN/Iranicanc-horz.jpg

2b- Turkic(Thracian+Slavic+Iranic removed)

https://i.ibb.co/YPjs11N/turkicanc-horz.jpg

[Kayra]

I think this is the maximum one can get with current DNA tests :D

So your Balkanite part is only a quarter Slav? 75% Thracian seems huge.

[Kaspias]

I think this is the maximum one can get with current DNA tests :D

So your Balkanite part is only a quarter Slav? 75% Thracian seems huge.

Bosniensis would like it :D

[SUPREEEEEME]

How did you do this?

[Bosniensis]

Syrians and Armenians were related to Ancient Romans more than Germans and Slavs.


(with Syrian, Italian, Armenian)
Target: Bosniensis_scaled
Distance: 2.0522% / 0.02052220
47.8 VENEDI
27.8 ILLYRIC
10.8 SYRIA
8.2 ARMENII
5.4 ITALI

(just Illyrian/thracian + Slavic)

Target: Bosniensis_scaled
Distance: 3.1881% / 0.03188070
58.6 ILLYRIC
41.4 VENEDI


ILLYRIC:

Distance to: ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313
0.00000000 HRV_IA
0.03075080 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.03361349 ITA_Etruscan
0.03663972 HRV_MBA
0.03881656 Bell_Beaker_ITA
0.04031555 ITA_Rome_MA
0.04320413 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.04371688 HRV_EBA
0.04476025 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.04515163 ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA
0.04676332 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
0.04828864 Scythian_MDA
0.05167286 DEU_Lech_MBA
0.05169774 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.05466400 HUN_MA_Szolad_o1
0.05470980 HUN_BA
0.05482959 DEU_Roman
0.05559378 TZA_Zanzibar_Euro_outlier
0.05633644 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.05683818 BGR_EBA
0.05795104 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.05815336 ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance
0.05849170 BGR_IA
0.05976801 HUN_Avar_Period
0.05980216 Levant_LBN_MA_o4

Distance to: VENEDI
0.02238674 KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro
0.02785148 HUN_Avar_Szolad
0.02983505 RUS_Sunghir_MA
0.03368753 Baltic_EST_MA
0.03845032 Baltic_LTU_BA
0.03858873 Baltic_EST_IA
0.04107480 RUS_Ingria_IA
0.04961594 CZE_Early_Slav
0.05018322 Bell_Beaker_CZE_o
0.05375379 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
0.05436870 Corded_Ware_Baltic
0.05466822 POL_EBA
0.05562669 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine
0.05706609 Baltic_LVA_BA
0.05792400 Baltic_EST_BA
0.05988030 Corded_Ware_POL
0.06018282 DEU_Welzin_BA
0.06354232 DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier2
0.06379356 UKR_Dereivka_I_En2
0.06641562 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
0.06665486 DEU_Unetice_EBA
0.06683771 SWE_IA
0.06719200 CZE_Unetice_EBA
0.06802860 POL_Unetice_EBA
0.07158272 Scythian_MDA_o

Distance to: SYRIA
0.02282462 Levant_LBN_MA
0.02332762 Levant_LBN_Roman
0.03255176 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
0.03384554 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
0.04201100 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2
0.04546098 Levant_ISR_MLBA
0.04603400 Levant_LBN_MA_o3
0.05184247 IND_Roopkund_B_o
0.05198354 Anatolia_Ovaoren_EBA
0.05383573 ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.05602438 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA1
0.05647560 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
0.05832941 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
0.05950288 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.06225949 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
0.06700925 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
0.06757004 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
0.06831700 Anatolia_Isparta_EBA
0.07014448 Anatolia_Barcin_C
0.07030099 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.07484035 IND_Roopkund_B
0.07581793 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.07703152 EGY_Late_Period
0.07939021 Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD
0.08113064 ARM_Areni_C

Distance to: ITALI
0.02482945 ITA_Sardinia_MA
0.02640547 ITA_Sardinia_IA
0.02797357 ITA_Sicily_EBA
0.03475032 BGR_EBA
0.03508373 HUN_BA
0.04076072 Bell_Beaker_ITA
0.04111607 ITA_Etruscan
0.04200445 ITA_Sicily_LBA
0.04304344 ITA_Sardinia_Roman_Imperial
0.04501434 ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA
0.04516359 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.04581106 BGR_IA
0.04619756 ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
0.04626935 HUN_MA_Szolad_o1
0.04721490 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
0.04803220 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.04823988 BGR_Beli_Breyag_EBA
0.04989125 ITA_Olmo_di_Nogara_MBA
0.04992743 BGR_Dzhulyunitsa_N
0.05016810 Bell_Beaker_HUN
0.05030907 HRV_MBA
0.05040760 ITA_Rome_MA
0.05085334 ITA_Villanovan
0.05126561 HRV_IA
0.05252105 ITA_Sicily_MBA

[Kaspias]

How did you do this?

Check my previous in search of ancestors threads, the same methodology.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Fantastic effort, Kaspias.

[SharpFork]

A question, how do you "remove" stuff from a given sample? I'm trying to see how modern Turks would look if you remove their Ottoman admixture but I'm not sure how you go about doing it correctly.

[Dr_Maul]

A question, how do you "remove" stuff from a given sample? I'm trying to see how modern Turks would look if you remove their Ottoman admixture but I'm not sure how you go about doing it correctly.

I think you just put '0' as the previous admixture

[SharpFork]

I think you just put '0' as the previous admixture
Not sure what you mean but he in other threads created outright new coordinates.

[Dr_Maul]

Not sure what you mean but he in other threads created outright new coordinates.

For example if you are 1/3 African 1/3 Turk and 1/3 Germanic, to remove the African part you would replace your SSA Coordinate number with 0. I am not sure myself but that is how I would probably go about doing it

[SharpFork]

For example if you are 1/3 African 1/3 Turk and 1/3 Germanic, to remove the African part you would replace your SSA Coordinate number with 0. I am not sure myself but that is how I would probably go about doing it
Ah he is not using G25?

[Dr_Maul]

Ah he is not using G25?

If he is, then what I said was completely irrelevant. However if he was using GEDmatch I think my method would work

[Kaspias]

A question, how do you "remove" stuff from a given sample? I'm trying to see how modern Turks would look if you remove their Ottoman admixture but I'm not sure how you go about doing it correctly.

I'm just using basic math like: Z-(X/20) and the process is literally subtraction, nothing else. But even if I prepare a detailed tutorial about the process there are some other problems always(like the appearing of hadn't known admixtures before - this ruin all the effort) and each subtraction process requires a recalculation. I use G25 btw.

If that's what you want I can prepare it for you, but currently, I have no access to my computer thanks to quarantine.

[SharpFork]

I'm just using basic math like: Z-(X/20) and the process is literally subtraction, nothing else. But even if I prepare a detailed tutorial about the process there are some other problems always(like the appearing of hadn't known admixtures before - this ruin all the effort) and each subtraction process requires a recalculation. I use G25 btw.

If that's what you want I can prepare it for you, but currently, I have no access to my computer thanks to quarantine.

I tried doing just that but for some reason it's not working, maybe it's because I'm using scaled? Edit: The recalculation prtion is also foreign to me.

[Kaspias]

I tried doing just that but for some reason it's not working, maybe it's because I'm using scaled? Edit: The recalculation prtion is also foreign to me.

I always use scaled. It should be irrelevant.

I will PM you when I do it. Let me know if you success until then.