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FergusNeil
05-02-2020, 05:32 PM
I did not know this but apparently there exists a Nordid type in and around the northern part of the Indian subcontinent - particularly focused around Afghanistan, northern Pakistan and northern India. Also found in Iran. This type is apparently a mixture of Proto Nordid with indigenous types during the so called "Aryan Invasion" of that era that led to the decline of Indus Valley Civilisation.

I did not know this type existed before I researched more...
This is a face morph of the phenotype
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These people tend to have rosy to light brown skin, have medium height and sometimes light hair and eyes

Does anyone have any more theories as to how this particular type came into being? And can someone with brown eyes be considered Indo Nordid? What are the classification criteria you'd say?

Kamilla13
05-02-2020, 05:42 PM
I saw that type recently as well.

I think the Kalash people of Pakistan have this type.
They are a minority and some sources claim that they are descended of Alexander the Great.

Sounds a bit like a fairy tale:), but let's say rather descendants of Greek invasion from the past.

I've seen a woman that looks like this photo , but she's darker as a phenotype and is from Bangladesh.
Her face features are very similar.

thenewestmember
05-02-2020, 05:47 PM
I did not know this but apparently there exists a Nordid type in and around the northern part of the Indian subcontinent - particularly focused around Afghanistan, northern Pakistan and northern India. Also found in Iran. This type is apparently a mixture of Proto Nordid with indigenous types during the so called "Aryan Invasion" of that era that led to the decline of Indus Valley Civilisation.

I did not know this type existed before I researched more...
This is a face morph of the phenotype
98107
98216

These people tend to have rosy to light brown skin, have medium height and sometimes light hair and eyes

Does anyone have any more theories as to how this particular type came into being? And can someone with brown eyes be considered Indo Nordid? What are the classification criteria you'd say?

I think this is what Central Asians would look like they they were fully Caucasoid.

FergusNeil
05-02-2020, 05:48 PM
I saw that type recently as well.

I think the Kalash people of Pakistan have this type.
They are a minority and some sources claim that they are descended of Alexander the Great.

Sounds a bit like a fairy tale:), but let's say rather descendants of Greek invasion from the past.

I've seen a woman that looks like this photo , but she's darker as a phenotype and is from Bangladesh.
Her face features are very similar.

Yeah. I read up on the Kalash people too... I think the most likely theory there would be the influx of Proto Nordid type into the area from early Western migrations and as a result they lived pretty isolated. I don't think Pontic Greeks would have the same look as a lot of the Kalash do because they don't look very Mediterranid in their admixture. They look somewhat Proto Nordid mixed with indigenous types of the area. A few of them can even blatantly fit in Eastern Europe like Bulgaria or Romania. And the rest easily pass as Gypsy.

Kamilla13
05-02-2020, 05:48 PM
Those scarce phenotypes or cultures are very fascinating to me :

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tipirneni
05-02-2020, 05:49 PM
There are many waves of Nordid types into South Asia.

You will see, primarily following


Chalcolithic era trade

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQxF88kSHmGnpRRq3G-PSYeu_T1B1bCAZecHupDPxInUc2tfPqR&usqp=CAU

Relic Bronze age population
https://chitraltoday.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/kalash.jpg

MLBA age steppe
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/portrait-of-a-sadhu-holy-man-praying-at-the-holy-river-ganges-at-in-picture-id828995736?s=612x612
Caucasian Saka groups
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ig2z8dFJHJtTHyLooaDLAc0QUzF7qPvvASHry90pXaXyRbeDWz m5f9_JahWLdkyGr3adqINTTxGJYGeCU7JLLf626vUsTzo1ECSY NRPfzXWW97LJcf8_
Iranid Saka
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSHTC3dLCGUYQb2bD9-fhtXG75wcRXm2DyYqIpAB7lBdBvhMJ7t&usqp=CAU
Hunnic Saka
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/20/9b/cd/209bcd7b2a066aa36205086e93b101a4.jpg
Kushan Steppe
https://live.staticflickr.com/4646/38568943264_3d37f94848_b.jpg

Kamilla13
05-02-2020, 05:54 PM
Yeah. I read up on the Kalash people too... I think the most likely theory there would be the influx of Proto Nordid type into the area from early Western migrations and as a result they lived pretty isolated. I don't think Pontic Greeks would have the same look as a lot of the Kalash do because they don't look very Mediterranid in their admixture. They look somewhat Proto Nordid mixed with indigenous types of the area. A few of them can even blatantly fit in Eastern Europe like Bulgaria or Romania. And the rest easily pass as Gypsy.

True...They reminds me the Pomak people of Bulgaria.
With their colourful dresses as well.
When I was a kid in Bulgaria I would find the Pomak people very exotic with their horses and nomadic - like lifestyle.

Jacques de Imbelloni
05-02-2020, 05:56 PM
https://scontent.faep8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74433506_2583625765189803_8332002882249293824_n.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_oc=AQneVTzSRG4LJfNsg6dVS7QifNjWVjRKHyYXsOyw974 2HSdZTX2_kZKVXxGd0Ba6tGc&_nc_ht=scontent.faep8-2.fna&oh=74d4b37f35b4587816b1cf37547bfd01&oe=5ED34B2D

Bengali Kulin Bramhin

lameduck
05-02-2020, 05:59 PM
these are lighter types found in north pakistan and ne afghanistan among pashtuns/dards

these men are from chitral

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270218-5dd1108daa320__880.jpg
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270028-5dd11061c513d__880.jpg
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270116-5dd1107aeb7bc__880.jpg
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270150-5dd110828bd86__880.jpg
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA280251-5dd1109a76e7f__880.jpg


https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270012-2-5dd1105c8d86e__880.jpg

FergusNeil
05-02-2020, 06:04 PM
these are lighter types found in north pakistan and ne afghanistan among pashtuns/dards

these men are from chitral

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270218-5dd1108daa320__880.jpg
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270028-5dd11061c513d__880.jpg
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270116-5dd1107aeb7bc__880.jpg
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270150-5dd110828bd86__880.jpg
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA280251-5dd1109a76e7f__880.jpg


https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PA270012-2-5dd1105c8d86e__880.jpg

About half of these can easily pass in Eastern Europe. I wonder more about the origins of these types. Like there is definitely Proto Nordid and East Europid types in there. About what percentage have coloured eyes? How many have brown eyes?

lameduck
05-02-2020, 06:07 PM
About half of these can easily pass in Eastern Europe. I wonder more about the origins of these types. Like there is definitely Proto Nordid and East Europid types in there

these people are mainly a mixture of iran neo+steppe+asi + climate adaptation.

Jacques de Imbelloni
05-02-2020, 06:43 PM
https://scontent.faep8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69939817_126293335399580_5315742548218609664_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_oc=AQmqjkmCCz9e-1pqHJUxHYAesVo3VC57INL_VgILYrDkAfm6NvwK2Yl-I34xa5YDv5g&_nc_ht=scontent.faep8-1.fna&oh=0250d3a17fc2183ac38960f5231b36ba&oe=5ED1A58F

TheNewGuy
05-02-2020, 11:59 PM
Clearly mixed with ancient European blood.