DNA test results of Chris596

[Chris596]

Totally unexpected.. I'm shocked, seriously. Just tell me your opinion in the comments down below and tell me what to do next with my raw DNA data.
Troll comments will be ignored...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnBbUiOcRNQ

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[TheMaestro]

What did you expect when you bought Mytrashitage

[Kaspias]

Upload it to Gedmatch and post Eurogenes K13, Dodecad K12b, PuntDNAL K15, MDLP World, Harappaworld results by clicking "Oracle" button.

Use this tool to learn your y-dna, post the screenshoot.

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal


Edit: Don't take 24 hours warning of Gedmatch serious. Your results will be ready after 5 min you upload. Try to enter your kit number to results page.

[Sora]

Myheritage is just a bullshit. You better upload your results to Gedmatch, so you can see your results clearly

[Chris596]

What did you expect when you bought Mytrashitage

23andme has a horrible customer service, they screwed up my package a lot of times and all I could was to get a refund. It's not my fault, I was patient for almost 2 months.

[Chris596]

Myheritage is just a bullshit. You better upload your results to Gedmatch, so you can see your results clearly

Alright, but don't you think that almost 100% Balkan speaks for itself? I mean, even on Myheritage.

[IrisSelene]

oh wow, that's so weird! I literally have my myheritage results too, and they're totally different to yours...

53% balkan
36.9% east europe
4% northwest europe
5.5% west asian

and they're more or less similar with my 23andme results...

https://i.imgur.com/3cEJTVY.jpg


It's so weird that you got almost full balkan, I'm only half hungarian and I still got east european... or are you full szekely??? And myheritage breaks down easier tinier percentages of asian, they gave me a bigger percentage than 23andme, it's weird that you didn't get any west asian at all... I'm so confused. I think I'm feeling as confused as when I got my own 23andme results back lol

[TheMaestro]

23andme has a horrible customer service, they screwed up my package a lot of times and all I could was to get a refund. It's not my fault, I was patient for almost 2 months.

It was wrong choice, its completely off for estern and central euros. Ancestry or 23andme is like Lamborghini against Mytrashitage.

[Chris596]

oh wow, that's so weird! I literally have my myheritage results too, and they're totally different to yours...

53% balkan
36.9% east europe
4% northwest europe
5.5% west asian

and they're more or less similar with my 23andme results...

https://i.imgur.com/3cEJTVY.jpg


It's so weird that you got almost full balkan, I'm only half hungarian and I still got east european... or are you full szekely??? And myheritage breaks down easier tinier percentages of asian, they gave me a bigger percentage than 23andme, it's weird that you didn't get any west asian at all... I'm so confused. I think I'm feeling as confused as when I got my own 23andme results back lol

At this point I really don't know. My father's side is (theoretically) full Szekely and my mom's side comes from the Alföld. Maybe we are just assimilated Romanians and other slavs lol.

[IrisSelene]

It was wrong choice, its completely off for estern and central euros. Ancestry or 23andme is like Lamborghini against Mytrashitage.

But mine weren't bad? They're pretty similar to 23andme? Do you think it's because they used the raw data from 23andme instead of their own? Maybe that's where they mess up?

[TheMaestro]

But mine weren't bad? They're pretty similar to 23andme? Do you think it's because they used the raw data from 23andme instead of their own? Maybe that's where they mess up?

Who knows, yeah actually your myheritsge results very much surprised me but you were literally one of a kind.

[xripkan]

Myheritage is untrustworthy. Upload your raw data to Gedmatch and buy Global25 coordinates. I am curious to see your results.

[17571imre]

very cool results man! i am very curious to your results on vahaduo gedmatch and diffrent calculators.

[Chris596]

Upload it to Gedmatch and post Eurogenes K13, Dodecad K12b, PuntDNAL K15, MDLP World, Harappaworld results by clicking "Oracle" button.

Use this tool to learn your y-dna, post the screenshoot.

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal


Edit: Don't take 24 hours warning of Gedmatch serious. Your results will be ready after 5 min you upload. Try to enter your kit number to results page.

Alright, done. I hope I didn't mess up anything.
https://i.imgur.com/7LWDfCi.png

[El_Abominacion]

Interesting results. I think at some point you should reconsider 23andMe (they'll also give you recent ancestor locations as well as being an overall much better company)

[Chris596]

Thank you for the answers so far. I think we still need a lot more research but I'll need some help with GEDmatch and everything. It says my Y-DNA originates from North-Africa (?)

[Chris596]

It's also weird that I'm 3,6% Scandinavian whereas I got nothing from North-Eastern Europe, nor Western-Europe lol.

[Kaspias]

Thank you for the answers so far. I think we still need a lot more research but I'll need some help with GEDmatch and everything. It says my Y-DNA originates from North-Africa (?)

You belong to sacred E-V13 order. It comes from deep Balkan. Take it as Balkanic.

What is the problem with Gedmatch?

[Chris596]

You belong to sacred E-V13 order. It comes from deep Balkan. Take it as Balkanic.

What is the problem with Gedmatch?

That's really cool! Nothing, I'm just trying to understand it right now but I'm very tired.

Edit: I mean, I expected to get mostly Balkan, but not this much lol. Almost like I'm fully Serbian or Albanian haha.

[Chris596]

Kaspias, do you also know how I can find out my Mitochondrial haplogroup as well?

[Kaspias]

Kaspias, do you also know how I can find out my Mitochondrial haplogroup as well?

It has never worked with MH data in my experience, but you can give a try.

https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

You probably will need a seperate MT test or 23andme to learn.

[IrisSelene]

Kaspias, do you also know how I can find out my Mitochondrial haplogroup as well?Maybe if you upload your raw dna to WeGene?

Enviado desde mi CLT-L09 mediante Tapatalk

[Kaspias]

Maybe if you upload your raw dna to WeGene?

Enviado desde mi CLT-L09 mediante Tapatalk

If jameslick don't work it won't work too. Actually the problem is MH raw doesn't include mtdna snps

[Chris596]

Alright. GEDmatch is processing my DNA right now.

[aklifal]

was expecting you to be N

[Halgurd]

Alright, done. I hope I didn't mess up anything.
https://i.imgur.com/7LWDfCi.png

Another E-V13 broski

Congrats

[Chris596]

Another E-V13 broski

Congrats

Haha thanks, just call me King Slav from now on :victory0:

[Chris596]

My admixture results for a better understanding..

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):



# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.12
2 North_Atlantic 24.09
3 East_Med 17.62
4 West_Med 16.39
5 West_Asian 9.84
6 East_Asian 1.64
7 Sub-Saharan 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.89
2 Romanian 5.87
3 Bulgarian 6.94
4 Moldavian 7.53
5 Croatian 9.77
6 Hungarian 10.72
7 Austrian 14.38
8 East_German 15.65
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.73
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.06
11 South_Polish 16.52
12 Ukrainian 16.92
13 North_Italian 19.81
14 West_German 19.83
15 Southwest_Russian 19.9
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.1
17 Polish 20.13
18 Tuscan 20.61
19 French 21.39
20 South_Dutch 21.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Ukrainian @ 2.62
2 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% South_Polish @ 2.63
3 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Belorussian @ 2.67
4 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Lithuanian @ 2.72
5 77.7% Bulgarian + 22.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.76
6 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Polish @ 2.81
7 77.5% Bulgarian + 22.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.87
8 81% Bulgarian + 19% Estonian @ 2.87
9 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
10 76.1% Bulgarian + 23.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.99
11 59.8% Bulgarian + 40.2% Croatian @ 3.03
12 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.16
13 81.6% Bulgarian + 18.4% Finnish @ 3.32
14 61.7% Ukrainian + 38.3% South_Italian @ 3.33
15 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Ukrainian @ 3.37
16 57.5% Ukrainian + 42.5% Central_Greek @ 3.38
17 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% South_Polish @ 3.41
18 80.6% Romanian + 19.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.5
19 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% East_Finnish @ 3.51
20 80.8% Romanian + 19.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.52



Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 38.76
2 Atlantic_Med 27.22
3 Caucasus 24.73
4 Southwest_Asian 3.89
5 Gedrosia 3.09
6 East_Asian 1.44
7 Sub_Saharan 0.44
8 South_Asian 0.33
9 Northwest_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 5.44
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.2
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.34
4 Hungarians (Behar) 11.79
5 German (Dodecad) 17.34
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.68
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.36
8 Greek (Dodecad) 21.29
9 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 21.46
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.5
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 21.84
12 French (Dodecad) 22.14
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.19
14 French (HGDP) 22.25
15 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.74
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.91
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.89
18 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 25.03
19 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 25.07
20 English (Dodecad) 25.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 28.9% German (Dodecad) @ 1.51
2 80.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.66
3 79.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 20.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.85
4 58.4% Tuscan (HGDP) + 41.6% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.87
5 53.4% Tuscan (HGDP) + 46.6% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.11
6 76.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 23.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.21
7 77.6% Romanians (Behar) + 22.4% German (Dodecad) @ 2.21
8 85.1% Romanians (Behar) + 14.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.31
9 71.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.32
10 80.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.37
11 75.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 24.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.37
12 80.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.4
13 82.4% Romanians (Behar) + 17.6% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.43
14 84.3% Romanians (Behar) + 15.7% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.44
15 64.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 35.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.46
16 79.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.48
17 63.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 36.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.5
18 80.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.51
19 80.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.51
20 85.1% Romanians (Behar) + 14.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.52


PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 47.48
2 Mediterranean 30.54
3 Caucasian 15.84
4 SW_Asian 3.53
5 E_Asian 0.94
6 Omo_River 0.7
7 Wht_Nile_River 0.38
8 S_African 0.31
9 Horn_Of_Africa 0.16
10 W_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 1.58
2 Bosnian 4.95
3 Macedonian 5.88
4 Croatian 6.71
5 French 7.3
6 Romanian 7.49
7 South_German 7.56
8 Utahn_White 8.1
9 Bulgarian 8.2
10 Hungarian 8.64
11 Irish 9.71
12 Austrian 9.73
13 Slovenian 9.84
14 Montenegrin 10.15
15 English 10.64
16 Orcadian 10.94
17 North_German 12.15
18 Scottish 12.26
19 Italian 12.53
20 Norwegian 13.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.6% Serbian + 1.4% Georgian @ 1.35
2 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Turk_Trabzon @ 1.36
3 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% Abkhasian @ 1.37
4 96% Serbian + 4% Greek_Central @ 1.37
5 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.38
6 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Armenian @ 1.38
7 96.2% Serbian + 3.8% Tuscan @ 1.39
8 98.2% Serbian + 1.8% Balkar @ 1.39
9 98.3% Serbian + 1.7% Cypriot @ 1.4
10 98.2% Serbian + 1.8% Turk_Kayseri @ 1.4
11 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% Assyrian @ 1.4
12 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% North_Ossetian @ 1.4
13 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Turk_Istanbul @ 1.4
14 96.1% Serbian + 3.9% Albanian @ 1.41
15 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% Azerbaijani @ 1.42
16 97.6% Serbian + 2.4% Sicilian @ 1.42
17 97.9% Serbian + 2.1% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.43
18 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Kumyk @ 1.43
19 97.6% Serbian + 2.4% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.43
20 98.6% Serbian + 1.4% Druze @ 1.43

PuntDNAL K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.42
2 SW_Europe 33.96
3 West_Asia 15.55
4 SW_Asia 5.57
5 NE_Asia 1.84
6 South_Africa 1.34
7 SE_Asia 1.12
8 Oceania 0.18
9 East_Africa 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.79
2 Bosnian 3.99
3 Croatian 4.92
4 Moldavian 6.11
5 Montenegrin 6.14
6 Hungarian 6.95
7 Romanian 7.66
8 Slovene 7.67
9 German_South 8.05
10 Macedonian 8.39
11 Bulgarian 8.77
12 French 9.01
13 Slovak 9.18
14 Belgian 9.29
15 English 9.79
16 Scottish 10.49
17 Orcadian 11.1
18 Irish 11.38
19 Utahn_European 11.81
20 German_North 12.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% English + 20.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.53
2 77.7% English + 22.3% Turkish @ 2.55
3 80.7% English + 19.3% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.61
4 75.3% Orcadian + 24.7% Turkish @ 2.64
5 76.9% Orcadian + 23.1% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.67
6 74.9% Irish + 25.1% Turkish @ 2.68
7 77.1% English + 22.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.69
8 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.71
9 77.8% Belgian + 22.2% Kumyk @ 2.73
10 76.5% Scottish + 23.5% Turkish @ 2.79
11 78.1% Scottish + 21.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.84
12 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Nogay @ 2.84
13 75.8% Utahn_European + 24.2% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.85
14 74.2% Utahn_European + 25.8% Turkish @ 2.88
15 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Lahu @ 2.89
16 81% Belgian + 19% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.89
17 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Miaozu @ 2.89
18 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Vietnamese @ 2.9
19 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dai @ 2.9
20 96.9% Bosnian + 3.1% She @ 2.92


Harappa

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 41.08
2 Mediterranean 23.77
3 Caucasian 22.59
4 Baloch 6.79
5 SW-Asian 4.08
6 NE-Asian 1.5
7 W-African 0.11
8 San 0.05
9 Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-a (behar) 5.61
2 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 7.54
3 hungarian (behar) 10.23
4 slovenian (xing) 11.5
5 italian (hgdp) 16.81
6 french (hgdp) 16.85
7 tuscan (hgdp) 18.58
8 tuscan (hapmap) 18.64
9 tuscan (1000genomes) 18.73
10 n-european (xing) 19.09
11 ukranian (yunusbayev) 19.34
12 utahn-white (1000genomes) 20.08
13 utahn-white (hapmap) 20.46
14 british (1000genomes) 22
15 spaniard (behar) 23.33
16 ashkenazi (harappa) 23.9
17 orcadian (hgdp) 24.23
18 spaniard (1000genomes) 24.58
19 mordovian (yunusbayev) 25.1
20 russian (behar) 25.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.9% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 42.1% hungarian (behar) @ 1.65
2 65.4% romanian-a (behar) + 34.6% hungarian (behar) @ 1.77
3 68.2% romanian-a (behar) + 31.8% slovenian (xing) @ 1.84
4 72.3% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 27.7% n-european (xing) @ 1.97
5 73.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.3% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.05
6 61% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 39% slovenian (xing) @ 2.07
7 86.6% romanian-a (behar) + 13.4% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.28
8 77.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 22.9% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.31
9 80.8% hungarian (behar) + 19.2% cypriot (behar) @ 2.37
10 78.9% romanian-a (behar) + 21.1% n-european (xing) @ 2.4
11 83.3% romanian-a (behar) + 16.7% belorussian (behar) @ 2.44
12 79.2% romanian-a (behar) + 20.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.45
13 73.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.3% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.48
14 80.2% romanian-a (behar) + 19.8% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.49
15 50.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 49.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.58
16 57.7% tuscan (hgdp) + 42.3% russian (behar) @ 2.62
17 75.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 24.4% british (1000genomes) @ 2.62
18 57.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 42.5% russian (behar) @ 2.68
19 83.2% romanian-a (behar) + 16.8% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.77
20 57.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 42.4% belorussian (behar) @ 2.8

[xripkan]

My admixture results for a better understanding..

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):



# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.12
2 North_Atlantic 24.09
3 East_Med 17.62
4 West_Med 16.39
5 West_Asian 9.84
6 East_Asian 1.64
7 Sub-Saharan 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.89
2 Romanian 5.87
3 Bulgarian 6.94
4 Moldavian 7.53
5 Croatian 9.77
6 Hungarian 10.72
7 Austrian 14.38
8 East_German 15.65
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.73
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.06
11 South_Polish 16.52
12 Ukrainian 16.92
13 North_Italian 19.81
14 West_German 19.83
15 Southwest_Russian 19.9
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.1
17 Polish 20.13
18 Tuscan 20.61
19 French 21.39
20 South_Dutch 21.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Ukrainian @ 2.62
2 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% South_Polish @ 2.63
3 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Belorussian @ 2.67
4 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Lithuanian @ 2.72
5 77.7% Bulgarian + 22.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.76
6 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Polish @ 2.81
7 77.5% Bulgarian + 22.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.87
8 81% Bulgarian + 19% Estonian @ 2.87
9 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
10 76.1% Bulgarian + 23.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.99
11 59.8% Bulgarian + 40.2% Croatian @ 3.03
12 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.16
13 81.6% Bulgarian + 18.4% Finnish @ 3.32
14 61.7% Ukrainian + 38.3% South_Italian @ 3.33
15 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Ukrainian @ 3.37
16 57.5% Ukrainian + 42.5% Central_Greek @ 3.38
17 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% South_Polish @ 3.41
18 80.6% Romanian + 19.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.5
19 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% East_Finnish @ 3.51
20 80.8% Romanian + 19.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.52



Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 38.76
2 Atlantic_Med 27.22
3 Caucasus 24.73
4 Southwest_Asian 3.89
5 Gedrosia 3.09
6 East_Asian 1.44
7 Sub_Saharan 0.44
8 South_Asian 0.33
9 Northwest_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 5.44
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.2
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.34
4 Hungarians (Behar) 11.79
5 German (Dodecad) 17.34
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.68
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.36
8 Greek (Dodecad) 21.29
9 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 21.46
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.5
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 21.84
12 French (Dodecad) 22.14
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.19
14 French (HGDP) 22.25
15 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.74
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.91
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.89
18 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 25.03
19 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 25.07
20 English (Dodecad) 25.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 28.9% German (Dodecad) @ 1.51
2 80.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.66
3 79.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 20.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.85
4 58.4% Tuscan (HGDP) + 41.6% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.87
5 53.4% Tuscan (HGDP) + 46.6% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.11
6 76.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 23.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.21
7 77.6% Romanians (Behar) + 22.4% German (Dodecad) @ 2.21
8 85.1% Romanians (Behar) + 14.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.31
9 71.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.32
10 80.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.37
11 75.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 24.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.37
12 80.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.4
13 82.4% Romanians (Behar) + 17.6% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.43
14 84.3% Romanians (Behar) + 15.7% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.44
15 64.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 35.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.46
16 79.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.48
17 63.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 36.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.5
18 80.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.51
19 80.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.51
20 85.1% Romanians (Behar) + 14.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.52


PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 47.48
2 Mediterranean 30.54
3 Caucasian 15.84
4 SW_Asian 3.53
5 E_Asian 0.94
6 Omo_River 0.7
7 Wht_Nile_River 0.38
8 S_African 0.31
9 Horn_Of_Africa 0.16
10 W_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 1.58
2 Bosnian 4.95
3 Macedonian 5.88
4 Croatian 6.71
5 French 7.3
6 Romanian 7.49
7 South_German 7.56
8 Utahn_White 8.1
9 Bulgarian 8.2
10 Hungarian 8.64
11 Irish 9.71
12 Austrian 9.73
13 Slovenian 9.84
14 Montenegrin 10.15
15 English 10.64
16 Orcadian 10.94
17 North_German 12.15
18 Scottish 12.26
19 Italian 12.53
20 Norwegian 13.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.6% Serbian + 1.4% Georgian @ 1.35
2 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Turk_Trabzon @ 1.36
3 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% Abkhasian @ 1.37
4 96% Serbian + 4% Greek_Central @ 1.37
5 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.38
6 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Armenian @ 1.38
7 96.2% Serbian + 3.8% Tuscan @ 1.39
8 98.2% Serbian + 1.8% Balkar @ 1.39
9 98.3% Serbian + 1.7% Cypriot @ 1.4
10 98.2% Serbian + 1.8% Turk_Kayseri @ 1.4
11 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% Assyrian @ 1.4
12 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% North_Ossetian @ 1.4
13 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Turk_Istanbul @ 1.4
14 96.1% Serbian + 3.9% Albanian @ 1.41
15 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% Azerbaijani @ 1.42
16 97.6% Serbian + 2.4% Sicilian @ 1.42
17 97.9% Serbian + 2.1% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.43
18 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Kumyk @ 1.43
19 97.6% Serbian + 2.4% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.43
20 98.6% Serbian + 1.4% Druze @ 1.43

PuntDNAL K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.42
2 SW_Europe 33.96
3 West_Asia 15.55
4 SW_Asia 5.57
5 NE_Asia 1.84
6 South_Africa 1.34
7 SE_Asia 1.12
8 Oceania 0.18
9 East_Africa 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.79
2 Bosnian 3.99
3 Croatian 4.92
4 Moldavian 6.11
5 Montenegrin 6.14
6 Hungarian 6.95
7 Romanian 7.66
8 Slovene 7.67
9 German_South 8.05
10 Macedonian 8.39
11 Bulgarian 8.77
12 French 9.01
13 Slovak 9.18
14 Belgian 9.29
15 English 9.79
16 Scottish 10.49
17 Orcadian 11.1
18 Irish 11.38
19 Utahn_European 11.81
20 German_North 12.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% English + 20.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.53
2 77.7% English + 22.3% Turkish @ 2.55
3 80.7% English + 19.3% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.61
4 75.3% Orcadian + 24.7% Turkish @ 2.64
5 76.9% Orcadian + 23.1% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.67
6 74.9% Irish + 25.1% Turkish @ 2.68
7 77.1% English + 22.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.69
8 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.71
9 77.8% Belgian + 22.2% Kumyk @ 2.73
10 76.5% Scottish + 23.5% Turkish @ 2.79
11 78.1% Scottish + 21.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.84
12 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Nogay @ 2.84
13 75.8% Utahn_European + 24.2% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.85
14 74.2% Utahn_European + 25.8% Turkish @ 2.88
15 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Lahu @ 2.89
16 81% Belgian + 19% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.89
17 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Miaozu @ 2.89
18 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Vietnamese @ 2.9
19 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dai @ 2.9
20 96.9% Bosnian + 3.1% She @ 2.92


Harappa

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 41.08
2 Mediterranean 23.77
3 Caucasian 22.59
4 Baloch 6.79
5 SW-Asian 4.08
6 NE-Asian 1.5
7 W-African 0.11
8 San 0.05
9 Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-a (behar) 5.61
2 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 7.54
3 hungarian (behar) 10.23
4 slovenian (xing) 11.5
5 italian (hgdp) 16.81
6 french (hgdp) 16.85
7 tuscan (hgdp) 18.58
8 tuscan (hapmap) 18.64
9 tuscan (1000genomes) 18.73
10 n-european (xing) 19.09
11 ukranian (yunusbayev) 19.34
12 utahn-white (1000genomes) 20.08
13 utahn-white (hapmap) 20.46
14 british (1000genomes) 22
15 spaniard (behar) 23.33
16 ashkenazi (harappa) 23.9
17 orcadian (hgdp) 24.23
18 spaniard (1000genomes) 24.58
19 mordovian (yunusbayev) 25.1
20 russian (behar) 25.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.9% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 42.1% hungarian (behar) @ 1.65
2 65.4% romanian-a (behar) + 34.6% hungarian (behar) @ 1.77
3 68.2% romanian-a (behar) + 31.8% slovenian (xing) @ 1.84
4 72.3% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 27.7% n-european (xing) @ 1.97
5 73.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.3% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.05
6 61% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 39% slovenian (xing) @ 2.07
7 86.6% romanian-a (behar) + 13.4% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.28
8 77.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 22.9% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.31
9 80.8% hungarian (behar) + 19.2% cypriot (behar) @ 2.37
10 78.9% romanian-a (behar) + 21.1% n-european (xing) @ 2.4
11 83.3% romanian-a (behar) + 16.7% belorussian (behar) @ 2.44
12 79.2% romanian-a (behar) + 20.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.45
13 73.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.3% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.48
14 80.2% romanian-a (behar) + 19.8% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.49
15 50.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 49.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.58
16 57.7% tuscan (hgdp) + 42.3% russian (behar) @ 2.62
17 75.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 24.4% british (1000genomes) @ 2.62
18 57.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 42.5% russian (behar) @ 2.68
19 83.2% romanian-a (behar) + 16.8% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.77
20 57.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 42.4% belorussian (behar) @ 2.8

You have indeed Balkan results. Myheritage was right! Both your haplogroup and your autosomal is Balkanic. Can you also post your Eurogenes K15?

[Dr_Maul]

Wow that’s crazy honestly. Based on your phenotype I assumed you would have much higher Siberian/East Asian. Good stuff anyways

[Chris596]

You have indeed Balkan results. Myheritage was right! Both your haplogroup and your autosomal is Balkanic. Can you also post your Eurogenes K15?

Yes, of course! With the help of Kaspias, when we both wake up :D

[Terminator98]

As someone who made shitload of ,,classify" threads, I have to say that physical anthropology is one big crap and means absolutely nothing as we can see.

PS. Welcome to Serbosphere XD

[Chris596]

Wow that’s crazy honestly. Based on your phenotype I assumed you would have much higher Siberian/East Asian. Good stuff anyways

Yes indeed! But how is it possible that on most calculators I have in general like 3 times more East Asian than Siberian admixture?

[CommonSense]

In all of these calculators you score like a generic Serb. If we hadn't already known you were Hungarian, who would have been able to tell the difference :p

Alternatively, a person with these results can also be modelled as a Romanian with additional northern ancestry, which is what you basically are.

[Chris596]

As someone who made shitload of ,,classify" threads, I have to say that physical anthropology is one big crap and means absolutely nothing as we can see.

PS. Welcome to Serbosphere XD

Hahaha that's really true! I think my eyes really look like this due to skin excess, nothing else.


In all of these calculators you score like a generic Serb. If we hadn't already known you were Hungarian, who would have been able to tell the difference :p

Alternatively, a person with these results can also be modelled as a Romanian with additional northern ancestry, which is what you basically are.

Yeah, now I'm officially a certified Serb. I would like to see what Mortimer has to say about this.

[CommonSense]

Hahaha that's really true! I think my eyes really look like this due to skin excess, nothing else.



Yeah, now I'm officially a certified Serb. I would like to see what Mortimer has to say about this.

Maybe he can do a Baja Mali Knindža cover just for you. Whatever happens, just don't ask him to compare eye color :lol:

[PaleoEuropean]

23andme has a horrible customer service, they screwed up my package a lot of times and all I could was to get a refund. It's not my fault, I was patient for almost 2 months.

I got lucky with 23 and my heritage, never had any mess ups. I ooze dna.

[Mingle]

You're fully Hungarian, right?

Which part(s) of Hungary are you from?

[Dr_Maul]

Yes indeed! But how is it possible that on most calculators I have in general like 3 times more East Asian than Siberian admixture?

I think in your case they can be relatively interchangeable. It is clear that you have Magyar/Hun ancestry. However your elevated southwest Asian is odd. You may have Anatolian/Ottoman ancestry too

[Chris596]

I can understand the Hungarian part. Most of them were probably also Balkanic. But my father lied about his Székely ancestry??

[Chris596]

You're fully Hungarian, right?

Which part(s) of Hungary are you from?

Yes, in theory. My father is from Transylvania (Harghita county) and my mother's side is from Hungary (from all over the Alföld, her mother is from Szabolcs, her father is from Bihar county, yet I know that I had some ancestors in southern Hungary as well...)

[IrisSelene]

I can understand the Hungarian part. Most of them were probably also Balkanic. But my father lied about his Székely ancestry??I think szekely are the ones most likely to score Balkan rather than the Hungarians from Hungary.

Enviado desde mi CLT-L09 mediante Tapatalk

[Coastal Elite]

I wouldn't put too much stock in MyHeritage. Not sure if you can test with 23andMe or AncestryDNA where you live but those are preferable. As others have said, Gedmatch is probably your best bet in the meantime. Are you a Hungarian from Hungry or Transylvania?

[Chris596]

I think in your case they can be relatively interchangeable. It is clear that you have Magyar/Hun ancestry. However your elevated southwest Asian is odd. You may have Anatolian/Ottoman ancestry too

Hmm that's interesting. Is it high for a ,,Hungarian''? Another Hungarian member, Kökény got West-Asian results on 23andme.

[Chris596]

I wouldn't put too much stock in MyHeritage. Not sure if you can test with 23andMe or AncestryDNA where you live but those are preferable. As others have said, Gedmatch is probably your best bet in the meantime. Are you a Hungarian from Hungry or Transylvania?

Then I believe more in GEDmatch. My answer is in the 41th comment.

[CommonSense]

Hmm that's interesting. Is it high for a ,,Hungarian''? Another Hungarian member, Kökény got West-Asian results on 23andme.

It's high for a typical Hungarian, but standard for all Balkan groups. I personally don't score any less than you do. Even Feichy does not, I believe.

[Dr_Maul]

Hmm that's interesting. Is it high for a ,,Hungarian''? Another Hungarian member, Kökény got West-Asian results on 23andme.

If anything, I think it is more indicative of Hun/Magyar ancestry. Some of them were mixed with Central Asian Iranics as well. The other option would be Gypsies but you have 0 South Asian so it’s not possible

[Luso]

As someone who made shitload of ,,classify" threads, I have to say that physical anthropology is one big crap and means absolutely nothing as we can see.

PS. Welcome to Serbosphere XD

Before I showed my results... people would of assumed I was lying too by my phenotype (but in my case as a Portuguese). Phenotype does not always = genotype people... and it is all about genotype in the end.

Awesome results btw!

[Mingle]

If anything, I think it is more indicative of Hun/Magyar ancestry. Some of them were mixed with Central Asian Iranics as well.

The Old Hungarians didn't mix with Central Asian Iranics.


The other option would be Gypsies but you have 0 South Asian so it’s not possible

Central Asian Iranics have South Asian as well.



Generally speaking, Transylvania Hungarians are said to have more Old Hungarian ancestry than those from Hungary. They also score more East Eurasian and South Asian which is usually associated with more Old Hungarian ancestry.

[Dr_Maul]

The Old Hungarians didn't mix with Central Asian Iranics.



Central Asian Iranics have South Asian as well.



Generally speaking, Transylvania Hungarians are said to have more Old Hungarian ancestry than those from Hungary. They also score more East Eurasian and South Asian which is usually associated with more Old Hungarian ancestry.

Magyars are Turkic confederation which came from Central Asia, why wouldn’t they have a couple Iranic nomads among them? I remember there was another Hungarian in Kaspias’s thread who had some minor Iranic as well. And nowadays central Asian Iranics have them but I’m talking about the ones absorbed by Turks. Uzbeks for example have distant Iranic ancestry evident by their south central Asian but they have no South Asian

[Mingle]

Yes, in theory. My father is from Transylvania (Harghita county) and my mother's side is from Hungary (from all over the Alföld, her mother is from Szabolcs, her father is from Bihar county, yet I know that I had some ancestors in southern Hungary as well...)

I suppose that explains it a bit. Transylvania Hungarians are the most Balkan-shifted Hungarians and Alfold is the most Balkan-shifted region of Hungary (though you're from northern Alfold which shouldn't be that southern). Its still more southern than I would expect, but it explains your results somewhat. Some people from Alfold can score like normal Hungarians from Hungary while some are significantly different. So your father could be more southern than average even for a Szekler.

[Mingle]

Magyars are Turkic confederation which came from Central Asia, why wouldn’t they have a couple Iranic nomads among them? I remember there was another Hungarian in Kaspias’s thread who had some minor Iranic as well. And nowadays central Asian Iranics have them but I’m talking about the ones absorbed by Turks. Uzbeks for example have distant Iranic ancestry evident by their south central Asian but they have no South Asian

They didn't come from Central Asia. They came from the Urals Region which is where North Asia and Europe intersect. The Urals region wasn't Iranic.

My bad, I forgot about the Turkic part. The Turkic tribes among them may have some early ancestry from northern Central Asia so they could have a tiny bit of Iranic from long ago. But that would be before the Magyar Confederation formed.

[Chris596]

Before I showed my results... people would of assumed I was lying too by my phenotype (but in my case as a Portuguese). Phenotype does not always = genotype people... and it is all about genotype in the end.

Awesome results btw!

Thank you! Yes I'm amazed and confused by my results at the same time.

Funny that I have a lot of DNA matches from Germany, but basically all the names are like: Jevremovic, Dragovic, Bozovic, Svetozar, etc. etc.

[Dr_Maul]

They didn't come from Central Asia. They came from the Urals Region which is where North Asia and Europe intersect. The Urals region wasn't Iranic.

My bad, I forgot about the Turkic part. The Turkic tribes among them may have some early ancestry from northern Central Asia so they could have a tiny bit of Iranic from long ago. But that would be before the Magyar Confederation formed.

Not only that but they would still have to pass through north Central Asia and other Scythian territories to get to Hungary. I’m not trying to paint Magyars as Iranic, that is easily disproven by a billion things, but it is likely that they had a couple Iranics among them. I honestly think that this is the most probable reason for the mild trace ancestry of Southwest Asian that a couple Hungarians have shown

[Chris596]

I suppose that explains it a bit. Transylvania Hungarians are the most Balkan-shifted Hungarians and Alfold is the most Balkan-shifted region of Hungary (though you're from northern Alfold which shouldn't be that southern). Its still more southern than I would expect, but it explains your results somewhat. Some people from Alfold can score like normal Hungarians from Hungary while some are significantly different. So your father could be more southern than average even for a Szekler.

I think I know what you mean. I certainly think that most of my parents have a significant Balkan ancestry and possibly some West-Asian (from my father, probably). Jewish is a mistery, but I heard that Myheritage likes to give ,,free Jewish" to everyone. At least my parents were right, we really don't have recent German ancestors lol.

[Chris596]

I also heard about the Iranic theory so I have to agree with Dr_Maul as well.

[Coastal Elite]

Then I believe more in GEDmatch. My answer is in the 41th comment.

Ah, partly Transylvanian, just north of Brasov (where some of my family comes from). Anyway, congrats on your results, very interesting.

[Mortimer]

You are still 100% european.

[Grace O'Malley]

23andme has a horrible customer service, they screwed up my package a lot of times and all I could was to get a refund. It's not my fault, I was patient for almost 2 months.

MyHeritage is updating their results though so that is something to look forward to. What I like about MyHeritage is that they have the largest amount of European testers so it is interesting to see what countries your matches come from although you have to look at the surnames and their ancestry breakdowns to make sure they are ethnically from that country. Anyway I'm looking forward to their update and hope they improve and get rid of some of their inaccurate trace regions which are all over the place.

Anyway their raw dna is really good so you can use it for other sites. It's just their interpretation can be a bit strange especially the trace amounts.

[Grace O'Malley]

Interesting results. I think at some point you should reconsider 23andMe (they'll also give you recent ancestor locations as well as being an overall much better company)

23&Me recent ancestor locations are not accurate. They don't get my correct and known ancestor locations in Ireland and give me a load of British areas when I have no known recent ancestry from UK. The best for correct locations is Ancestry with their GCs but I don't think they have many GCs for Eastern European populations yet.

[Grace O'Malley]

It's also weird that I'm 3,6% Scandinavian whereas I got nothing from North-Eastern Europe, nor Western-Europe lol.

Their trace regions need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

[JamesBond007]

MyHeritage is updating their results though so that is something to look forward to. What I like about MyHeritage is that they have the largest amount of European testers so it is interesting to see what countries your matches come from although you have to look at the surnames and their ancestry breakdowns to make sure they are ethnically from that country. Anyway I'm looking forward to their update and hope they improve and get rid of some of their inaccurate trace regions which are all over the place.

Anyway their raw dna is really good so you can use it for other sites. It's just their interpretation can be a bit strange especially the trace amounts.

I get most of matches from Great Britain ,in the European context, which make me want to pay for LivingDNA. I think LivingDNA sucks for anyone who is not British but for British people it is fantastically accurate I would imagine.

[yamagi]

You are still 100% european.

Well, you are 150% + 50% compulsiveness

[Blondie]

If anything, I think it is more indicative of Hun/Magyar ancestry. Some of them were mixed with Central Asian Iranics as well. The other option would be Gypsies but you have 0 South Asian so it’s not possible

Old magyars were mix of turkics and germanics (rougly 50-50%), the modern genetic results show that.

[yamagi]

Old magyars were mix of turkics and germanics (rougly 50-50%), the modern genetic results show that.

The elites were predominately Uralic/C Asian, the commoners were local Pannonians.

[Maintenance]

Congrats

[Blondie]

The elites were predominately Uralic/C Asian, the commoners were local Pannonians.

These commoners were uralic speaker hungarians who lived here before turkic Árpáds, genetically they were slavic.

The elite was turkic-germanic mixed:

"We found that some 40% of the conquerors had East Asian origin, where the geographicorigin of the best matchingsamples nicely corresponded to the region of the ancient Xiongnu empire. Other 40% of the samples had best matcheswith modern people from Scandinavia, Germany, or other regions in Western Europe. A smaller third group of the samples (6.7%) matchedmodern samples from the Caucasus region and the Near East."

http://doktori.bibl.u-szeged.hu/3794/2/Neparaczki_Thesis_english.pdf

The original conquerors were turkics from East Asia who mixed with germanics tribes (ostrogoths, vikings) in East East Europe. Huns and old magyars had same turkic-germanic mixed genetic.

[Mortimer]

Well, you are 150% + 50% compulsiveness

You persecute me since you are here and I think thats because Im a tsigo. Im innocent.

[Dean K]

You can upload your data to Family Tree Dna they have the biggest database and they have great tools. Also post your gedmatch results/key so we can see seems that myheritage puts you in balkan because of turkish/northen euro mix

[Kyp]

seems like most of the real Magyars died at Lechfeld ;)

Nice results!

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Pretty nice but your results aren't far off from Szekelys they don't seem out of place. MyHeritage did put a huge Balkan on you though lol.

[yamagi]

seems like the real Magyars all died at Lechfeld ;)

Nice results!

Unfortunately their numbers were small compared to the local population, unlike Turks who received continuous waves of Tatar, Mongol input in Hungary there hasn't been any Asian input within the last 700 years.

[Kökény]

And I thought I had high Balkan(84%), I shall pass the crown to you now.

On a serious note, it's too bad that they screwed up your order at 23andme, it's way better. I score only 7% Balkan there, that's a big difference compared to what MH gave me. It seems like you are more Balkanic than me, but based on your ancestry I think your results are normal.

Anyway congrats rokon.

[Videx]

Congrats to your results! I was pretty interested what you will get, I am a bit surprised. Also, I didn't know you have Székey ancestry.

[Ion Basescul]

That's really cool! Nothing, I'm just trying to understand it right now but I'm very tired.

Edit: I mean, I expected to get mostly Balkan, but not this much lol. Almost like I'm fully Serbian or Albanian haha.

Balkan on MyHeritage is not the same as on 23andme. Albanians and Greeks score Greek & Italian mostly.

[Ion Basescul]

As someone who made shitload of ,,classify" threads, I have to say that physical anthropology is one big crap and means absolutely nothing as we can see.

PS. Welcome to Serbosphere XD

I know a fellow Moldovan user who needs to see this thread.

[Ion Basescul]

Totally unexpected.. I'm shocked, seriously. Just tell me your opinion in the comments down below and tell me what to do next with my raw DNA data.
Troll comments will be ignored...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnBbUiOcRNQ

98249

Here's a Szekler from my matches, on the right, who is more Southern than you. So you shouldn't be suspicious of your family's history IMO, but it doesn't hurt to test. The next step would be to gather data and build the family tree.

https://i.imgur.com/RPX4k6x.png


Surnames:
Romania (Csiby, Gergely, Komanics, hajdo)

[Ion Basescul]

Here's a Szekler from my matches, on the right, who is more Southern than you. So you shouldn't be suspicious of your family's history IMO, but it doesn't hurt to test. The next step would be to gather data and build the family tree.

https://i.imgur.com/RPX4k6x.png


Surnames:
Romania (Csiby, Gergely, Komanics, hajdo)

Another one, this time from Hungary

https://i.imgur.com/4uDlxD1.png
Hungary (Fülöp)
Fülöp
Kiss
Sólyom

[Impaler]

Congrats! You have around 1-2% Mongoloid, so I was right when I told you about it. :)

[Dunai]

Based on you parents' ancestry I believe your results are very normal (looking at K13). Hungarians come in many variants, and you are just one part of these variations. Your Székely half does shift you very southwards, since they are besides Csángó people the most Balkan shifted Hungarians, because generally Hungarians from Transylvania are more Balkan shifted, even than those living in Southern Alföld or Southern Transdanubia. The reason: they were isolated for a much longer time from other regions of the Carpathian Basin, and mixed less with other ethnicities.

[Chris596]

Thank you everyone for the answers! Yeah I guess I am very distant from original Hungarians. One thing is sure: we have always been a very simple family, working class, so thinking about it, my result are not so surprising now.

[Ion Basescul]

Yeah I guess I am very distant from original Hungarians.

Autosomally, most people are distant from the original elites. But E-V13 was found in Hungarian Conquerors.

Conqueror periodK1/13 Karos I/13 895- mid Xth c. M215 V13 E1b1b

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/597997v1.full.pdf

[Chris596]

Now I'm creating a thread about my admixture results and different interesting websites. In those I usually get between 10 and 24 percent West-Asian, I don't know why though. Maybe Myheritage messed up this part?

[Kyp]

Now I'm creating a thread about my admixture results and different interesting websites. In those I usually get between 10 and 24 percent West-Asian, I don't know why though. Maybe Myheritage messed up this part?

I think some West Asian already is included in the Balkan component

[Impaler]

Your K13 and k12b on Vahaduo:


Distance to: Chris596_K13
3.07429667 Serb_Serbia
3.41593325 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.50615174 Serb
3.56098301 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.71216918 Romania_Moldavia_average
3.71474091 Serb_Croatia
3.73577301 Serb_Herzegovina
3.75217270 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
3.76512948 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
3.82555878 Serb_Serbia_South&East
3.82898159 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
3.84419042 Moldova_Centre
4.33033486 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.34477848 Moldova_average
4.53433567 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.56758142 Bosniak
4.69849976 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.71746754 Romanian_Transylvania
4.89528344 Serb_B&H
5.06457330 Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.32372990 Croat_Split
5.33772423 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
5.74744291 Montenegrin
5.80947502 Bulgarian_Sofia
5.84596442 Romanian_Oltenia


Target: Chris596_K13
Distance: 2.0449% / 2.04488908 | ADC: 0.25x
70.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
17.6 Pomak_Plovdiv
9.8 Macedonian_Greece
2.2 Bosniak_Tuzla
0.4 Dai


Distance to: Chris596_K12b
5.91297725 Romanians
6.53159246 Macedonian
6.87491091 Bosnian
6.88148966 Pomak
7.66978487 Croat
7.94051006 Bulgarians
8.04980124 Bulgarian
10.17477272 Gagauz
12.14235562 Albanian_North
12.84259320 Turk_Romania
13.02103299 Hungarians
13.28316212 Italy_FriuliVG
13.41330683 Turk_Bulgaria
13.45176940 Albanian_Kosovo
15.05067108 Turk_Greece
15.23754902 Turk_Macedonia
15.52394795 Italy_Trentino
15.65429262 Italy_Veneto
17.02204049 Swiss_Italian
17.51813643 Italy_Piedmont
18.14812670 Italy_Aosta_Valley
18.92031367 Italy_Lombardy
19.24409780 German
19.56522139 Italy_Liguria
19.71423067 Italy_Emilia

Target: Chris596_K12b
Distance: 1.6277% / 1.62767438 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 Croat
40.8 Bulgarians
6.4 Romanians
5.2 Italy_Trentino
0.4 JPT30

[Dunai]

Now I'm creating a thread about my admixture results and different interesting websites. In those I usually get between 10 and 24 percent West-Asian, I don't know why though. Maybe Myheritage messed up this part?

MyHeritage is often very off with estimating East-Central Europeans. Even if 23andMe is much more expensive, but they are way more accurate in determining from which regions you inherited your genes from. Looking at your K13 results I don't think you would get more than 20-25% Balkan on 23andMe. I haven't seen a full Székely get more than 20% Balkan on 23andMe. As a comparison I get 28.5% Balkan on MyHeritage and 8% on 23andMe.

[Ion Basescul]

MyHeritage is often very off with estimating East-Central Europeans. Even if 23andMe is much more expensive, but they are way more accurate in determining from which regions you inherited your genes from. Looking at your K13 results I don't think you would get more than 20-25% Balkan on 23andMe. I haven't seen a full Székely get more than 20% Balkan on 23andMe. As a comparison I get 28.5% Balkan on MyHeritage and 8% on 23andMe.

If not under Balkan then it will fall under South European. But we both know that this doesn't mean Italian or Spanish in the case of Hungarians.

Chris' K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.12
2 North_Atlantic 24.09
3 East_Med 17.62
4 West_Med 16.39
5 West_Asian 9.84
6 East_Asian 1.64
7 Sub-Saharan 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.89
2 Romanian 5.87
3 Bulgarian 6.94
4 Moldavian 7.53
5 Croatian 9.77
6 Hungarian 10.72
7 Austrian 14.38
8 East_German 15.65
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.73
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.06
11 South_Polish 16.52
12 Ukrainian 16.92
13 North_Italian 19.81
14 West_German 19.83
15 Southwest_Russian 19.9
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.1
17 Polish 20.13
18 Tuscan 20.61
19 French 21.39
20 South_Dutch 21.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Ukrainian @ 2.62
2 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% South_Polish @ 2.63
3 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Belorussian @ 2.67
4 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Lithuanian @ 2.72
5 77.7% Bulgarian + 22.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.76
6 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Polish @ 2.81
7 77.5% Bulgarian + 22.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.87
8 81% Bulgarian + 19% Estonian @ 2.87
9 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
10 76.1% Bulgarian + 23.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.99
11 59.8% Bulgarian + 40.2% Croatian @ 3.03
12 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.16
13 81.6% Bulgarian + 18.4% Finnish @ 3.32
14 61.7% Ukrainian + 38.3% South_Italian @ 3.33
15 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Ukrainian @ 3.37
16 57.5% Ukrainian + 42.5% Central_Greek @ 3.38
17 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% South_Polish @ 3.41
18 80.6% Romanian + 19.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.5
19 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% East_Finnish @ 3.51
20 80.8% Romanian + 19.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.52


My K13



# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.33
2 North_Atlantic 25.27
3 West_Med 15.21
4 East_Med 13.04
5 West_Asian 9.95
6 Siberian 2.85
7 East_Asian 1.83
8 Red_Sea 1.42
9 South_Asian 0.7
10 Oceanian 0.4


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.31
2 Moldavian 5.04
3 Romanian 7.02
4 Croatian 7.86
5 Hungarian 8.13
6 Bulgarian 9.24
7 Austrian 11.88
8 East_German 13.07
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.8
10 South_Polish 14.54
11 Ukrainian 15.09
12 West_German 17.6
13 Greek_Thessaly 17.77
14 Polish 18.25
15 Southwest_Russian 18.34
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.59
17 South_Dutch 19.05
18 Tatar 19.21
19 French 19.66
20 North_Italian 20.22


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Serbian + 16.9% Tatar @ 1.87
2 88% Serbian + 12% Chuvash @ 1.97
3 90.1% Serbian + 9.9% Mari @ 2.25
4 79.3% Romanian + 20.7% East_Finnish @ 2.33
5 76.6% Romanian + 23.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.48
6 78.8% Romanian + 21.2% Finnish @ 2.58
7 55.7% Serbian + 44.3% Moldavian @ 2.65
8 87.2% Serbian + 12.8% Erzya @ 2.66
9 61.2% Ukrainian + 38.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.71
10 73.3% Bulgarian + 26.7% Finnish @ 2.73
11 60.5% Moldavian + 39.5% Romanian @ 2.77
12 86.8% Serbian + 13.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.82
13 83.8% Moldavian + 16.2% Tuscan @ 2.83
14 67.8% Romanian + 32.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.83
15 84.9% Moldavian + 15.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.86
16 69.8% Romanian + 30.2% Ukrainian @ 2.86
17 79.4% Romanian + 20.6% Estonian @ 2.88
18 74.2% Bulgarian + 25.8% East_Finnish @ 2.91
19 71.7% Bulgarian + 28.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.91
20 51.7% Tuscan + 48.3% Erzya @ 2.93



My 23andme, 43% Balkan
https://i.imgur.com/6u6CDlA.png

MyHeritage, 88% Balkan
https://i.imgur.com/xt78Q7k.png

[Kamilla13]

That's really cool! Nothing, I'm just trying to understand it right now but I'm very tired.

Edit: I mean, I expected to get mostly Balkan, but not this much lol. Almost like I'm fully Serbian or Albanian haha.

Hmmm, not really.

My Heritage lists Balkan as Eastern E.

I got roughly 70 % Balkan on there, but on Ancestry I'm almost 50% EE 50 % Balkan.

Proper Balkanites score a significant % Greece and Italy on MH.

So, you need more testing :).

[Dunai]

If not under Balkan then it will fall under South European. But we both know that this doesn't mean Italian or Spanish in the case of Hungarians.

Chris' K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.12
2 North_Atlantic 24.09
3 East_Med 17.62
4 West_Med 16.39
5 West_Asian 9.84
6 East_Asian 1.64
7 Sub-Saharan 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.89
2 Romanian 5.87
3 Bulgarian 6.94
4 Moldavian 7.53
5 Croatian 9.77
6 Hungarian 10.72
7 Austrian 14.38
8 East_German 15.65
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.73
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.06
11 South_Polish 16.52
12 Ukrainian 16.92
13 North_Italian 19.81
14 West_German 19.83
15 Southwest_Russian 19.9
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.1
17 Polish 20.13
18 Tuscan 20.61
19 French 21.39
20 South_Dutch 21.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Ukrainian @ 2.62
2 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% South_Polish @ 2.63
3 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Belorussian @ 2.67
4 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Lithuanian @ 2.72
5 77.7% Bulgarian + 22.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.76
6 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Polish @ 2.81
7 77.5% Bulgarian + 22.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.87
8 81% Bulgarian + 19% Estonian @ 2.87
9 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
10 76.1% Bulgarian + 23.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.99
11 59.8% Bulgarian + 40.2% Croatian @ 3.03
12 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.16
13 81.6% Bulgarian + 18.4% Finnish @ 3.32
14 61.7% Ukrainian + 38.3% South_Italian @ 3.33
15 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Ukrainian @ 3.37
16 57.5% Ukrainian + 42.5% Central_Greek @ 3.38
17 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% South_Polish @ 3.41
18 80.6% Romanian + 19.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.5
19 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% East_Finnish @ 3.51
20 80.8% Romanian + 19.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.52


My K13



# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.33
2 North_Atlantic 25.27
3 West_Med 15.21
4 East_Med 13.04
5 West_Asian 9.95
6 Siberian 2.85
7 East_Asian 1.83
8 Red_Sea 1.42
9 South_Asian 0.7
10 Oceanian 0.4


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.31
2 Moldavian 5.04
3 Romanian 7.02
4 Croatian 7.86
5 Hungarian 8.13
6 Bulgarian 9.24
7 Austrian 11.88
8 East_German 13.07
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.8
10 South_Polish 14.54
11 Ukrainian 15.09
12 West_German 17.6
13 Greek_Thessaly 17.77
14 Polish 18.25
15 Southwest_Russian 18.34
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.59
17 South_Dutch 19.05
18 Tatar 19.21
19 French 19.66
20 North_Italian 20.22


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Serbian + 16.9% Tatar @ 1.87
2 88% Serbian + 12% Chuvash @ 1.97
3 90.1% Serbian + 9.9% Mari @ 2.25
4 79.3% Romanian + 20.7% East_Finnish @ 2.33
5 76.6% Romanian + 23.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.48
6 78.8% Romanian + 21.2% Finnish @ 2.58
7 55.7% Serbian + 44.3% Moldavian @ 2.65
8 87.2% Serbian + 12.8% Erzya @ 2.66
9 61.2% Ukrainian + 38.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.71
10 73.3% Bulgarian + 26.7% Finnish @ 2.73
11 60.5% Moldavian + 39.5% Romanian @ 2.77
12 86.8% Serbian + 13.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.82
13 83.8% Moldavian + 16.2% Tuscan @ 2.83
14 67.8% Romanian + 32.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.83
15 84.9% Moldavian + 15.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.86
16 69.8% Romanian + 30.2% Ukrainian @ 2.86
17 79.4% Romanian + 20.6% Estonian @ 2.88
18 74.2% Bulgarian + 25.8% East_Finnish @ 2.91
19 71.7% Bulgarian + 28.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.91
20 51.7% Tuscan + 48.3% Erzya @ 2.93




I just took another look at his East Med and West Med percentages on K13 and they are both 16-17, which is surely unprecedentedly high in any Hungarian result I have seen thus far on K13, even among Csángó and Székely. Now it would be interesting if someone would plot him on K15 PCA, but have a feeling Chris is even more Southern-shifted than Kökény.

[Chris596]

Hmmm, not really.

My Heritage lists Balkan as Eastern E.

I got roughly 70 % Balkan on there, but on Ancestry I'm almost 50% EE 50 % Balkan.

Proper Balkanites score a significant % Greece and Italy on MH.

So, you need more testing :).

Yes indeed, but the strangest thing is that I didn't get any proper Eastern European at all :confused:

[17571imre]

My admixture results for a better understanding..

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):



# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.12
2 North_Atlantic 24.09
3 East_Med 17.62
4 West_Med 16.39
5 West_Asian 9.84
6 East_Asian 1.64
7 Sub-Saharan 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.89
2 Romanian 5.87
3 Bulgarian 6.94
4 Moldavian 7.53
5 Croatian 9.77
6 Hungarian 10.72
7 Austrian 14.38
8 East_German 15.65
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.73
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.06
11 South_Polish 16.52
12 Ukrainian 16.92
13 North_Italian 19.81
14 West_German 19.83
15 Southwest_Russian 19.9
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.1
17 Polish 20.13
18 Tuscan 20.61
19 French 21.39
20 South_Dutch 21.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% Ukrainian @ 2.62
2 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% South_Polish @ 2.63
3 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Belorussian @ 2.67
4 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Lithuanian @ 2.72
5 77.7% Bulgarian + 22.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.76
6 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Polish @ 2.81
7 77.5% Bulgarian + 22.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.87
8 81% Bulgarian + 19% Estonian @ 2.87
9 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
10 76.1% Bulgarian + 23.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.99
11 59.8% Bulgarian + 40.2% Croatian @ 3.03
12 71.8% Bulgarian + 28.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.16
13 81.6% Bulgarian + 18.4% Finnish @ 3.32
14 61.7% Ukrainian + 38.3% South_Italian @ 3.33
15 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Ukrainian @ 3.37
16 57.5% Ukrainian + 42.5% Central_Greek @ 3.38
17 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% South_Polish @ 3.41
18 80.6% Romanian + 19.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.5
19 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% East_Finnish @ 3.51
20 80.8% Romanian + 19.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.52



Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 38.76
2 Atlantic_Med 27.22
3 Caucasus 24.73
4 Southwest_Asian 3.89
5 Gedrosia 3.09
6 East_Asian 1.44
7 Sub_Saharan 0.44
8 South_Asian 0.33
9 Northwest_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 5.44
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.2
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.34
4 Hungarians (Behar) 11.79
5 German (Dodecad) 17.34
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.68
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.36
8 Greek (Dodecad) 21.29
9 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 21.46
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.5
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 21.84
12 French (Dodecad) 22.14
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.19
14 French (HGDP) 22.25
15 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.74
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.91
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.89
18 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 25.03
19 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 25.07
20 English (Dodecad) 25.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 28.9% German (Dodecad) @ 1.51
2 80.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.66
3 79.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 20.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.85
4 58.4% Tuscan (HGDP) + 41.6% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.87
5 53.4% Tuscan (HGDP) + 46.6% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.11
6 76.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 23.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.21
7 77.6% Romanians (Behar) + 22.4% German (Dodecad) @ 2.21
8 85.1% Romanians (Behar) + 14.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.31
9 71.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.32
10 80.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.37
11 75.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 24.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.37
12 80.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.4
13 82.4% Romanians (Behar) + 17.6% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.43
14 84.3% Romanians (Behar) + 15.7% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.44
15 64.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 35.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.46
16 79.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 20.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.48
17 63.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 36.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.5
18 80.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.51
19 80.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.51
20 85.1% Romanians (Behar) + 14.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.52


PuntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 47.48
2 Mediterranean 30.54
3 Caucasian 15.84
4 SW_Asian 3.53
5 E_Asian 0.94
6 Omo_River 0.7
7 Wht_Nile_River 0.38
8 S_African 0.31
9 Horn_Of_Africa 0.16
10 W_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 1.58
2 Bosnian 4.95
3 Macedonian 5.88
4 Croatian 6.71
5 French 7.3
6 Romanian 7.49
7 South_German 7.56
8 Utahn_White 8.1
9 Bulgarian 8.2
10 Hungarian 8.64
11 Irish 9.71
12 Austrian 9.73
13 Slovenian 9.84
14 Montenegrin 10.15
15 English 10.64
16 Orcadian 10.94
17 North_German 12.15
18 Scottish 12.26
19 Italian 12.53
20 Norwegian 13.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.6% Serbian + 1.4% Georgian @ 1.35
2 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Turk_Trabzon @ 1.36
3 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% Abkhasian @ 1.37
4 96% Serbian + 4% Greek_Central @ 1.37
5 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.38
6 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Armenian @ 1.38
7 96.2% Serbian + 3.8% Tuscan @ 1.39
8 98.2% Serbian + 1.8% Balkar @ 1.39
9 98.3% Serbian + 1.7% Cypriot @ 1.4
10 98.2% Serbian + 1.8% Turk_Kayseri @ 1.4
11 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% Assyrian @ 1.4
12 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% North_Ossetian @ 1.4
13 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Turk_Istanbul @ 1.4
14 96.1% Serbian + 3.9% Albanian @ 1.41
15 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% Azerbaijani @ 1.42
16 97.6% Serbian + 2.4% Sicilian @ 1.42
17 97.9% Serbian + 2.1% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.43
18 98.4% Serbian + 1.6% Kumyk @ 1.43
19 97.6% Serbian + 2.4% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.43
20 98.6% Serbian + 1.4% Druze @ 1.43

PuntDNAL K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.42
2 SW_Europe 33.96
3 West_Asia 15.55
4 SW_Asia 5.57
5 NE_Asia 1.84
6 South_Africa 1.34
7 SE_Asia 1.12
8 Oceania 0.18
9 East_Africa 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.79
2 Bosnian 3.99
3 Croatian 4.92
4 Moldavian 6.11
5 Montenegrin 6.14
6 Hungarian 6.95
7 Romanian 7.66
8 Slovene 7.67
9 German_South 8.05
10 Macedonian 8.39
11 Bulgarian 8.77
12 French 9.01
13 Slovak 9.18
14 Belgian 9.29
15 English 9.79
16 Scottish 10.49
17 Orcadian 11.1
18 Irish 11.38
19 Utahn_European 11.81
20 German_North 12.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% English + 20.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.53
2 77.7% English + 22.3% Turkish @ 2.55
3 80.7% English + 19.3% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.61
4 75.3% Orcadian + 24.7% Turkish @ 2.64
5 76.9% Orcadian + 23.1% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.67
6 74.9% Irish + 25.1% Turkish @ 2.68
7 77.1% English + 22.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.69
8 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.71
9 77.8% Belgian + 22.2% Kumyk @ 2.73
10 76.5% Scottish + 23.5% Turkish @ 2.79
11 78.1% Scottish + 21.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.84
12 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Nogay @ 2.84
13 75.8% Utahn_European + 24.2% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.85
14 74.2% Utahn_European + 25.8% Turkish @ 2.88
15 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Lahu @ 2.89
16 81% Belgian + 19% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.89
17 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Miaozu @ 2.89
18 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Vietnamese @ 2.9
19 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dai @ 2.9
20 96.9% Bosnian + 3.1% She @ 2.92


Harappa

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 41.08
2 Mediterranean 23.77
3 Caucasian 22.59
4 Baloch 6.79
5 SW-Asian 4.08
6 NE-Asian 1.5
7 W-African 0.11
8 San 0.05
9 Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-a (behar) 5.61
2 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 7.54
3 hungarian (behar) 10.23
4 slovenian (xing) 11.5
5 italian (hgdp) 16.81
6 french (hgdp) 16.85
7 tuscan (hgdp) 18.58
8 tuscan (hapmap) 18.64
9 tuscan (1000genomes) 18.73
10 n-european (xing) 19.09
11 ukranian (yunusbayev) 19.34
12 utahn-white (1000genomes) 20.08
13 utahn-white (hapmap) 20.46
14 british (1000genomes) 22
15 spaniard (behar) 23.33
16 ashkenazi (harappa) 23.9
17 orcadian (hgdp) 24.23
18 spaniard (1000genomes) 24.58
19 mordovian (yunusbayev) 25.1
20 russian (behar) 25.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.9% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 42.1% hungarian (behar) @ 1.65
2 65.4% romanian-a (behar) + 34.6% hungarian (behar) @ 1.77
3 68.2% romanian-a (behar) + 31.8% slovenian (xing) @ 1.84
4 72.3% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 27.7% n-european (xing) @ 1.97
5 73.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.3% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.05
6 61% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 39% slovenian (xing) @ 2.07
7 86.6% romanian-a (behar) + 13.4% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.28
8 77.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 22.9% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.31
9 80.8% hungarian (behar) + 19.2% cypriot (behar) @ 2.37
10 78.9% romanian-a (behar) + 21.1% n-european (xing) @ 2.4
11 83.3% romanian-a (behar) + 16.7% belorussian (behar) @ 2.44
12 79.2% romanian-a (behar) + 20.8% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.45
13 73.7% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 26.3% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.48
14 80.2% romanian-a (behar) + 19.8% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.49
15 50.8% tuscan (1000genomes) + 49.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.58
16 57.7% tuscan (hgdp) + 42.3% russian (behar) @ 2.62
17 75.6% bulgarian (yunusbayev) + 24.4% british (1000genomes) @ 2.62
18 57.5% tuscan (1000genomes) + 42.5% russian (behar) @ 2.68
19 83.2% romanian-a (behar) + 16.8% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.77
20 57.6% tuscan (1000genomes) + 42.4% belorussian (behar) @ 2.8

nice rsults i also score Serbian as my first population. and with south Dutch added my Hungarian side is Serbian like.

#
Population (source)
Distance
1 Serbian 4.52
2 Hungarian 6.57
3 Austrian 7.95
4 Romanian 8.05
5 Moldavian 9.25
6 East_German9.91
7 Croatian 9.93
8 Bulgarian10.94
9 West_German12.2
10 South_Dutch13.65
11 French13.81
12 South_Polish15.82
13 Ukrainian_Lviv16.12
14 North_Italian16.42
15 North_German17.21
16 Ukrainian17.23
17 Portuguese17.75
18 Spanish_Galicia17.97
19 Greek_Thessaly 18.13
20 Spanish_Cataluna 18.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance
1 75.1% Hungarian+ 24.9%Tuscan@ 1.68
2 72.1%Hungarian+ 27.9%North_Italian@ 1.73
3 82.2%Serbian+ 17.8%Southeast_English@ 1.86
4 64.9% East_German+ 35.1%Greek_Thessaly@ 1.88
5 76.7%Serbian+ 23.3%South_Dutch@ 1.92
6 83.7%Serbian+ 16.3%Southwest_English@ 1.95

[Reis-i Cumhur]

His results clearly show phenotype=/=genotype.
According to studies,Armenoid turks are more mongoloid than OP LOL but Op got the slanted eyes How is that even possible ?

[Chris596]

His results clearly show phenotype=/=genotype.
According to studies,Armenoid turks are more mongoloid than OP LOL but Op got the slanted eyes How is that even possible ?

I have no idea, error in the Matrix? :blink:

[Ion Basescul]

Yes indeed, but the strangest thing is that I didn't get any proper Eastern European at all :confused:

Don't take the estimates from MyHeritage very seriously right now. They are bad, and that's why they promised to update them.
Just work with the autosomal raw data on GEDmatch and Global 25. That one is of higher quality than what you would have got with this generation of 23andme.

Edit: And I wouldn't hurry to get 23andme just for the regions, because regions are also coming for MyHeritage.

https://i.imgur.com/kCrxinK.png
https://i.imgur.com/jfiU5iV.png
https://i.imgur.com/geVh8an.png
https://i.imgur.com/2A5iWa1.png
https://i.imgur.com/FHBtU0s.png

[Leto]

Wow, you received them so quickly, glad for you!
I know it's not the only part that is interesting but I was expecting you to score at least 2-3% East Eurasian and you got 1.5, haha ;)

[Chris596]

Wow, you received them so quickly, glad for you!
I know it's not the only part that is interesting but I was expecting you to score at least 2-3% East Eurasian and you got 1.5, haha ;)

Thank you! Yes and now it's clear why it was so fast haha.

[Kamilla13]

Yes, of course! With the help of Kaspias, when we both wake up :D

Lol...Indeed, you are more Bulgarian than me. :confused:

[Jana]

Congrats on your results Chris!

You don't need another autosomal test. Especially not 23andme. Myheritage raw data is superior to 23andme by far.

Those commercial companies algorithm isn't to be taken seriously anyway. And myheritage will update soon.
Their Balkan means modern South Slavic, not Greek or Albanian. It's different than 23andme. So it already includes Paleo-Balkan + Slavic/East European

Your east Asian score is high for Hungarian/European. As for rest, I would guess your Alfold side has possible Serbian immigrant ancestry, based on matches you get.

If I was you, I would buy G25 coordinates and invest in deeper haplogroup testing on yseq.
You don't need 23andme or Ancestry and whatever, if fact you are lucky to chose Myheritage for less money and best raw data if you ask me.

[Scandal]

Without German admixture in certain parts of Hungary, avarage Hungarian dna result would probably be purely balkanic.

[Chris596]

Lol...Indeed, you are more Bulgarian than me. :confused:

:wave: I think I'm King Slav in a fake disguise lol :1127:

[Jana]

His Alfold side must be south/Balkan shifted, is my guess. Because Szeklers already are. So I would bet on far-back Serbian ancestry in his case.
Checking matches and haplogroup testing can give better insight on that.

[Benyzero]

Iam sorry but I have to say you should not throw out money for this . The only good thing is that you have a raw data now.

[Chris596]

Congrats on your results Chris!

You don't need another autosomal test. Especially not 23andme. Myheritage raw data is superior to 23andme by far.

Those commercial companies algorithm isn't to be taken seriously anyway. And myheritage will update soon.
Their Balkan means modern South Slavic, not Greek or Albanian. It's different than 23andme. So it already includes Paleo-Balkan + Slavic/East European

Your east Asian score is high for Hungarian/European. As for rest, I would guess your Alfold side has possible Serbian immigrant ancestry, based on matches you get.

If I was you, I would buy G25 coordinates and invest in deeper haplogroup testing on yseq.
You don't need 23andme or Ancestry and whatever, if fact you are lucky to chose Myheritage for less money and best raw data if you ask me.

Thank you! I agree with you and really, 95% can't be too far from the reality if this is the case.


Without German admixture in certain parts of Hungary, avarage Hungarian dna result would be purely balkanic.

Yes and it's really interesting that I have almost zero German admixture, except the little Scandinavian. Jewish is another mistery but that's even lower.

[Chris596]

His Alfold side must be south/Balkan shifted, is my guess. Because Szeklers already are. So I would bet on far-back Serbian ancestry in his case.
Checking matches and haplogroup testing can give better insight on that.

Funny that I have a lot of DNA matches from Germany, but basically all the names are like: Jevremovic, Dragovic, Bozovic, Svetozar, etc. etc.

[Jana]

Funny that I have a lot of DNA matches from Germany, but basically all the names are like: Jevremovic, Dragovic, Bozovic, Svetozar, etc. etc.

These sound like Serbs to me. Maybe you can message them and check.

[Scandal]

Thank you! I agree with you and really, 95% can't be too far from the reality if this is the case.



Yes and it's really interesting that I have almost zero German admixture, except the little Scandinavian. Jewish is another mistery but that's even lower.
I think quite a few hungarians don't have any. I probably don't have it either, at least not in the past 200-300 years.

I think German admixture amoung Hungarians can depend a lot on the region. There were multiple waves of German settlements into Hungary, but most of the German admixture in Hungarians come from the 18th settlement of southern Germans in Transdanubia. Eastern part of Hungary was relatively untouched by this last wave of German migration.

[Ion Basescul]

Funny that I have a lot of DNA matches from Germany, but basically all the names are like: Jevremovic, Dragovic, Bozovic, Svetozar, etc. etc.

How many matches do you get from Hungary and Romania?

[Scandal]

How much did the testing cost, including the shipping?

[Chris596]

How many matches do you get from Hungary and Romania?

52 from Hungary
42 from Romania

Weird that I have 67 matches from Sweden but most of the users from there also have south slavic surnames. I also have a lot of matches from Slovenia, Serbia, Montenegro but I bet it would be even higher in reality.

[Jana]

How much did the testing cost, including the shipping?

I buy Myheritage for one woman on action last week for 50 EUR, shipping additional 8 EUR. Really good deal.
23andme in comparison has horrible shipping price (almost as much as kit cost!) at least for Croatia.

[Dunai]

Don't take the estimates from MyHeritage very seriously right now. They are bad, and that's why they promised to update them.
Just work with the autosomal raw data on GEDmatch and Global 25. That one is of higher quality than what you would have got with this generation of 23andme.

Edit: And I wouldn't hurry to get 23andme just for the regions, because regions are also coming for MyHeritage.



Are you aware that people who uploaded their raw data to MyHeritage from other testing companies will also benefit of this new regional update? It looks to good to be true I have to say, like a real game-changer.

[Ion Basescul]

Are you aware that people who uploaded their raw data to MyHeritage from other testing companies will also benefit of this new regional update? It looks to good to be true I have to say, like a real game-changer.

I don't know, but I would be surprised if they didn't. MyHeritage charges users, $25 if I'm not mistaken, who upload from other companies, if they want to see their ethnicity estimates.

If you want more details on this, here are the videos where they made the announcement



Ethnicity Estimate Update (skip in playlist to this part): https://familytreewebinars.com/downl...ebinar_id=1161 (https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=1161)
Genetic Groups: https://familytreewebinars.com/downl...ebinar_id=1169 (https://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=1169)

[Jana]

Chris, upload to DNA Land for free, it's a cool tool :)

https://dna.land/

[Maintenance]

Chris, upload to DNA Land for free, it's a cool tool :)

https://dna.land/

If you have his gedmatch number, check if he match IncelSlayer

[CommonSense]

Thank you! Yes I'm amazed and confused by my results at the same time.

Funny that I have a lot of DNA matches from Germany, but basically all the names are like: Jevremovic, Dragovic, Bozovic, Svetozar, etc. etc.

A certain Svetozar from Austria, perhaps?

[Chris596]

How much did the testing cost, including the shipping?

59.5 Euro.

[Lucas]

A certain Svetozar from Austria, perhaps?

:)

[Dunai]

Can you post your K15, so maybe someone can plot you on PCA map? I am expecting you to be the most southern shifted Hungarian.

[Scandal]

Your east Asian score is high for Hungarian/European.

1.5% is high?

[Leto]

1.5% is high?
Lol. Most Hungarians would be at least 1%, it's not "high" at all. You can find Chris's percentage as west as Berlin or Vienna relatively easily.

[Jana]

1.5% is high?

Yeah. Hungarians/east Euros usually get Siberian which is less mong. His east asian is among highest I saw in Hungarian results.

[Jana]

Lol. Most Hungarians would be at least 1%, it's not "high" at all. You can find Chris's percentage as west as Berlin or Vienna relatively easily.

No they are not. East Asian scores above 1% are very eare in this region, unlike Siberian.

[Leto]

1.5% Uralic but feels like it's 100 percent? Haha xD :swl

[Leto]

No they are not. East Asian scores above 1% are very eare in this region, unlike Siberian.
We are talking just Mongoloid in general, unspecified. In such tiny amounts it's the same thing.

[Jana]

If you have his gedmatch number, check if he match IncelSlayer

Well I don't have.

[Scandal]

:wave: I think I'm King Slav in a fake disguise lol :1127:

Serbs are Slavs by language and identity, by genetics they're around half Slavic. So you aren't that Slavic either.

[Jana]

A certain Svetozar from Austria, perhaps?

If he does, it will be trough Morti Serb side obviously, since he scores no Indian.

[Ford]

I have no idea, error in the Matrix? :blink:

Probably because the autosomal influence has been "washed out" but the genetic variants related to your apperance are still passed on. I know a Scot who has nappy hair like an African, yet his Black ancestor lived like 200 years ago. He would probably score 3% SSA tops if he tested.

[Insuperable]

Welcome to the balkannigga club.

[Insuperable]

Probably because the autosomal influence has been "washed out" but the genetic variants related to your apperance are still passed on. I know a Scot who has nappy hair like an African, yet his Black ancestor lived like 200 years ago. He would probably score 3% SSA tops if he tested.

Ancestor who lived 200 years ago would make him 1/256 black or something like that.

[Rabbit Hole]

1.5% Uralic but feels like it's 100 percent? Haha xD :swl

Minimal, autosomally 4 percent or less won't even matter anyway because they can't read the SNP signatures 100 percent correctly because it's too distant so it's somewhat guessing and in theory.

[Ion Basescul]

1.5% Uralic but feels like it's 100 percent? Haha xD :swl

Member Onge? ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZRuMjVbtnY

[TheMaestro]

Congrats on your results Chris!

You don't need another autosomal test. Especially not 23andme. Myheritage raw data is superior to 23andme by far.

Those commercial companies algorithm isn't to be taken seriously anyway. And myheritage will update soon.
Their Balkan means modern South Slavic, not Greek or Albanian. It's different than 23andme. So it already includes Paleo-Balkan + Slavic/East European

Your east Asian score is high for Hungarian/European. As for rest, I would guess your Alfold side has possible Serbian immigrant ancestry, based on matches you get.

If I was you, I would buy G25 coordinates and invest in deeper haplogroup testing on yseq.
You don't need 23andme or Ancestry and whatever, if fact you are lucky to chose Myheritage for less money and best raw data if you ask me.

Why did I get 88% Balkan in that case? XD Myheritage literally acts like some kind of calculator.

[TheMaestro]

Btw welcome to E-V13, time to conquer TA with nibba genes, later we take on the world. Prepare the horses or theoretically we can take cars too the fuel is cheap nowaydays.

[Ion Basescul]

Btw welcome to E-V13, time to conquer TA with nibba genes, later we take on the world. Prepare the horses or theoretically we can take cars too the fuel is cheap nowaydays.

Surely by horses you mean lowriders?

[Scandal]

Ancestor who lived 200 years ago would make him 1/256 black or something like that.

How did you make that estimation? Life span was that low in 19th century? My grandfather(rip) was born in 1923, almost 100 years ago and (obviously) I have 1/4 of my genes from him.

[TheMaestro]

Surely by horses you mean lowriders?

XDD ye definitely.

[Leto]

How did you make that estimation? Life span was that low in 19th century? My grandfather(rip) was born in 1923, almost 100 years ago and I have 1/4 of my genetics from him.
Until recently one generation roughly equaled ~25 years. So in one century there were ca. 4 generations.

[Chris596]

Btw welcome to E-V13, time to conquer TA with nibba genes, later we take on the world. Prepare the horses or theoretically we can take cars too the fuel is cheap nowaydays.

Hahaha alright man, cheers! :)

[Leto]

1/2 = 50%
1/4 = 25%
1/8 = 12.5%
1/16 = 6.25%
1/32 = 3.125%

So in theory, after 5 generations any admixture could be potentially washed out almost without a trace.

[Jana]

Why did I get 88% Balkan in that case? XD Myheritage literally acts like some kind of calculator.

Because half Albanian half Hungarian results will look South Slavic obviously. Balkan on Myheritage literaly means modern South Slav.

[TheMaestro]

Because half Albanian half Hungarian results will look South Slavic obviously. Balkan on Myheritage literaly means modern South Slav.

Ao you are proving my point, it acts like calculator. Why would he pay for such a bullshit. If he wants good results where he finds out which region he really belongs to, he needs ancestry or 23andme.

[Ion Basescul]

Because half Albanian half Hungarian results will look South Slavic obviously. Balkan on Myheritage literaly means modern South Slav.

Yep
The percentages represent the portion of MyHeritage DNA users with Balkan ethnicity in that country.
Serbia
95.7%
North Macedonia
95.1%
Bosnia & Herzegowina
92.6%
Croatia
92.3%
Slovenia
91.3%
Moldova
90%
Romania
89.4%
Slovakia
83.9%
Hungary
82.6%
Bulgaria
81.7%
Czech Republic
74.5%
Albania
72.7%
Ukraine
67.8%
Belarus
64.6%
Poland
63.5%
Austria
62.7%
Russia
52.8%
Kazakhstan
47.5%
Lithuania
40.4%
Liechtenstein
39.4%
Germany
38.1%
Greece
35.4%
Latvia
28.1%
Switzerland
27.4%
Estonia
26.7%
Monaco
24.6%
Luxembourg
23.6%
Turkey
22.7%
Italy
20.2%


The percentages represent the portion of MyHeritage DNA users with Greek and South Italian ethnicity in that country.
Greece
89%
Albania
83.6%
North Macedonia
80.3%
Cyprus
69%
Bulgaria
64.8%
Italy
57%
Malta
48.2%
Romania
47%
Georgia
36%
Jordan
32.7%
Liechtenstein
31%
Switzerland
28.9%
Serbia
26.7%
Argentina
25.9%
Azerbaijan
25%
Luxembourg
21.2%
Bosnia & Herzegowina
21.1%
Austria
21.1%
Monaco
20.9%
Moldova
20%

[Kaspias]

I don't understand why people attack MH for being trash but defend 23andMe. Both are using modern populations as a reference, what makes one trash and the other is decent? Both are incapable of showing you a decent result. I even think that MH is better because they cover your small amount of admixtures while 23andMe assign this percentage to major components randomly. Maybe the recent ancestor region feature looks good, but it is far from being accurate and it is a matter of luck if they collected the required samples from this region or not.

I personally think the most logical thing in Eastern Europe buying MH considering price/accuracy ratio and wouldn't recommend anyone from this region to buy 23andme if s/he is not want to learn mt-DNA.

The service 23andme provided in Europe is another part of the story. They lost my kit 2 times and it had been 5 months until I get my results, Chris lived the same experience too. It shouldn't be a coincidence.

[IrisSelene]

I don't understand why people attack MH for being trash but defend 23andMe. Both are using modern populations as a reference, what makes one trash and the other is decent? Both are incapable of showing you a decent result. I even think that MH is better because they cover your small amount of admixtures while 23andMe assign this percentage to major components randomly. Maybe the recent ancestor region feature looks good, but it is far from being accurate and it is a matter of luck if they collected the required samples from this region or not.

I personally think the most logical thing in Eastern Europe buying MH considering price/accuracy ratio and wouldn't recommend anyone from this region to buy 23andme if s/he is not want to learn mt-DNA.

The service 23andme provided in Europe is another part of the story. They lost my kit 2 times and it had been 5 months until I get my results, Chris lived the same experience too. It shouldn't be a coincidence.Right,... And they're having an upgrade so I'm excited. But idk if I should leave my account with the 23andme raw data or get another my heritage kit with their own raw dna.

Maybe that would make a big difference.

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[Luke35]

...

[Jana]

Ao you are proving my point, it acts like calculator. Why would he pay for such a bullshit. If he wants good results where he finds out which region he really belongs to, he needs ancestry or 23andme.

I can't agree. Current 23andme raw data is inferior to Myheritage, and by big margin.
They are not worth excessive money they demand.

Also, their regions aren't accurate either. It doesn't even recognize Stears Szekler side lol.
He didn't get any region in Romania and not a region of his mother in Hungary either.

Only raw data matters, and in that 23andme sucks on V5 chip.

Chris results on gedmatch are far more accurate with myheritage than they would be if he tested on 23andme.
And so will be his G25 coordinates if he buys them. Because his raw data is good.

[Luke35]

As someone who made shitload of ,,classify" threads, I have to say that physical anthropology is one big crap and means absolutely nothing as we can see.

PS. Welcome to Serbosphere XD

Well one thing to keep in mind, the phenotypes are ancient and were spread and absorbed long ago through migration, so they would not necessarily align strictly with recent ancestry. Also, Chris' asiatic traits can fit within the Eastern and Southeastern European range of looks without needing exotic validation. In other words, his looks could be a recapitulation of ancestors from hundreds of years ago or more who's DNA is absorbed and recombined in broken bits.

[Kaspias]

By the way, his result expected and typical for half Szekely and half Alföld. Imagine, Hungarians are close to the Croats and Szekely is identical with Romanians. A mix of Croat + Romanian would give you a Serb. Apparently Alföld + Szekely has similar output.

I don't know if anyone realized or not but he has 3% EE in PuntDNAL K13.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.42
2 SW_Europe 33.96
3 West_Asia 15.55
4 SW_Asia 5.57
5 NE_Asia 1.84
6 South_Africa 1.34
7 SE_Asia 1.12
8 Oceania 0.18
9 East_Africa 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.79
2 Bosnian 3.99
3 Croatian 4.92
4 Moldavian 6.11
5 Montenegrin 6.14
6 Hungarian 6.95
7 Romanian 7.66
8 Slovene 7.67
9 German_South 8.05
10 Macedonian 8.39
11 Bulgarian 8.77
12 French 9.01
13 Slovak 9.18
14 Belgian 9.29
15 English 9.79
16 Scottish 10.49
17 Orcadian 11.1
18 Irish 11.38
19 Utahn_European 11.81
20 German_North 12.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% English + 20.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.53
2 77.7% English + 22.3% Turkish @ 2.55
3 80.7% English + 19.3% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.61
4 75.3% Orcadian + 24.7% Turkish @ 2.64
5 76.9% Orcadian + 23.1% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.67
6 74.9% Irish + 25.1% Turkish @ 2.68
7 77.1% English + 22.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.69
8 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.71
9 77.8% Belgian + 22.2% Kumyk @ 2.73
10 76.5% Scottish + 23.5% Turkish @ 2.79
11 78.1% Scottish + 21.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.84
12 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Nogay @ 2.84
13 75.8% Utahn_European + 24.2% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.85
14 74.2% Utahn_European + 25.8% Turkish @ 2.88
15 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Lahu @ 2.89
16 81% Belgian + 19% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.89
17 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Miaozu @ 2.89
18 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Vietnamese @ 2.9
19 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dai @ 2.9
20 96.9% Bosnian + 3.1% She @ 2.92

[vbnetkhio]

I don't understand why people attack MH for being trash but defend 23andMe. Both are using modern populations as a reference, what makes one trash and the other is decent? Both are incapable of showing you a decent result. I even think that MH is better because they cover your small amount of admixtures while 23andMe assign this percentage to major components randomly. Maybe the recent ancestor region feature looks good, but it is far from being accurate and it is a matter of luck if they collected the required samples from this region or not.

I personally think the most logical thing in Eastern Europe buying MH considering price/accuracy ratio and wouldn't recommend anyone from this region to buy 23andme if s/he is not want to learn mt-DNA.

The service 23andme provided in Europe is another part of the story. They lost my kit 2 times and it had been 5 months until I get my results, Chris lived the same experience too. It shouldn't be a coincidence.

in 23andme people of the same ethnicity get similar results, while in myheritage it's all over the place. Among Balkanians East Euro, Balkan and Greek can vary a lot and i've seen Serbs get random Finnish, Scandinavian and Arabic.

[Jana]

I don't understand why people attack MH for being trash but defend 23andMe. Both are using modern populations as a reference, what makes one trash and the other is decent? Both are incapable of showing you a decent result. I even think that MH is better because they cover your small amount of admixtures while 23andMe assign this percentage to major components randomly. Maybe the recent ancestor region feature looks good, but it is far from being accurate and it is a matter of luck if they collected the required samples from this region or not.

I personally think the most logical thing in Eastern Europe buying MH considering price/accuracy ratio and wouldn't recommend anyone from this region to buy 23andme if s/he is not want to learn mt-DNA.

The service 23andme provided in Europe is another part of the story. They lost my kit 2 times and it had been 5 months until I get my results, Chris lived the same experience too. It shouldn't be a coincidence.

My results on 23andme suck, just to illustrate that. I get 47% eastern European (Slovenia), which would make me non-Croat in majority since Croatia is part of Balkan on 23andme. Their Balkan and east euro groups suck as well. No logic in them.

23andme is very overrated, and their shipping cost for eastern Europe is simply unbelievably high, as if they send kits to war zone and it justify such high price, lmao.

[Luke35]

I can understand the Hungarian part. Most of them were probably also Balkanic. But my father lied about his Székely ancestry??

No he did not lie.

You are a southern shifted Hungarian, your are within the Hungarian range of results (just ask forum member Imre, his Hungarian side results look much like yours). It happens to be that your Szekely and also your Hungarian from Hungary side lack German admix. All your known ancestors are Hungarians, so this is a Hungarian DNA result. It really is not a surprise for a Szekely/Alfold result.

[Kaspias]

in 23andme people of the same ethnicity get similar results, while in myheritage it's all over the place. Among Balkanians East Euro, Balkan and Greek can vary a lot and i've seen Serbs get random Finnish, Scandinavian and Arabic.

Well if the result is not accurate it doesn't matter everyone gets a similar result. On the other hand, I don't think this is the case. Imagine a Serb gets 40% Eastern Euro yet his Balkan part balanced with Greek, not Serb. On the other hand, a Serb gets 20% Eastern Euro because his Balkan part balanced with Bulgarian, Montenegrin etc.. Both have identical results in Gedmatch. So, what caused such a difference in 23andMe? They use IBD after algorithm finds a population to fulfill your breakdown then assigning you regions according to IBD results. Instead, they should measure your relativity before assigning you a component.

This is the problem.


My results on 23andme suck, just to illustrate that. I get 47% eastern European (Slovenia), which would make me non-Croat in majority since Croatia is part of Balkan on 23andme. Their Balkan and east euro groups suck as well. No logic in them.

23andme is very overrated, and their shipping cost for eastern Europe is simply unbelievably high, as if they send kits to war zone and it justify such high price, lmao.


Imagine what I thought after see my own result :D

With all of my seriousness, I can prepare a better algorithm for everyone if I had their dataset. This actually applies to all companies.

[Ion Basescul]

By the way, his result expected and typical for half Szekely and half Alföld. Imagine, Hungarians are close to the Croats and Szekely is identical with Romanians. A mix of Croat + Romanian would give you a Serb. Apparently Alföld + Szekely has similar output.

I don't know if anyone realized or not but he has 3% EE in PuntDNAL K13.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.42
2 SW_Europe 33.96
3 West_Asia 15.55
4 SW_Asia 5.57
5 NE_Asia 1.84
6 South_Africa 1.34
7 SE_Asia 1.12
8 Oceania 0.18
9 East_Africa 0.03


The more interesting thing is how different calculators consistently prefer East Asian instead of Siberian. For me it's always a mix of the two.

[Dušan]

A certain Svetozar from Austria, perhaps?

Mortimer's father is Serb from Banat in Pannonian plain, so there is great possibility of some connections with Chris ancestors.

Chris, congratulations on your results. You should be proud. :)

[vbnetkhio]

I get 47% eastern European (Slovenia)

you should just view those two as separate.

47% East Euro - you have 47% Baltic like admixture (after filtering)
Slovenia - you have some matches with all 4 grandparents from Slovenia.

[Leto]

Right,... And they're having an upgrade so I'm excited. But idk if I should leave my account with the 23andme raw data or get another my heritage kit with their own raw dna.

Maybe that would make a big difference.

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Do you not use the converted V3 data from Lemgrant? I still have that kit on my other account.

[Kaspias]

The more interesting thing is how different calculators consistently prefer East Asian instead of Siberian. For me it's always a mix of the two.

I usually have huge Siberian and a slight amount of East Asia, the ratio is like 7:1. Anatolian Turks get like half-half like you.

I wonder what causes this variety.

[Leto]

By the way, his result expected and typical for half Szekely and half Alföld. Imagine, Hungarians are close to the Croats and Szekely is identical with Romanians. A mix of Croat + Romanian would give you a Serb. Apparently Alföld + Szekely has similar output.

I don't know if anyone realized or not but he has 3% EE in PuntDNAL K13.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.42
2 SW_Europe 33.96
3 West_Asia 15.55
4 SW_Asia 5.57
5 NE_Asia 1.84
6 South_Africa 1.34
7 SE_Asia 1.12
8 Oceania 0.18
9 East_Africa 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.79
2 Bosnian 3.99
3 Croatian 4.92
4 Moldavian 6.11
5 Montenegrin 6.14
6 Hungarian 6.95
7 Romanian 7.66
8 Slovene 7.67
9 German_South 8.05
10 Macedonian 8.39
11 Bulgarian 8.77
12 French 9.01
13 Slovak 9.18
14 Belgian 9.29
15 English 9.79
16 Scottish 10.49
17 Orcadian 11.1
18 Irish 11.38
19 Utahn_European 11.81
20 German_North 12.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% English + 20.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.53
2 77.7% English + 22.3% Turkish @ 2.55
3 80.7% English + 19.3% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.61
4 75.3% Orcadian + 24.7% Turkish @ 2.64
5 76.9% Orcadian + 23.1% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.67
6 74.9% Irish + 25.1% Turkish @ 2.68
7 77.1% English + 22.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.69
8 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.71
9 77.8% Belgian + 22.2% Kumyk @ 2.73
10 76.5% Scottish + 23.5% Turkish @ 2.79
11 78.1% Scottish + 21.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.84
12 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Nogay @ 2.84
13 75.8% Utahn_European + 24.2% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.85
14 74.2% Utahn_European + 25.8% Turkish @ 2.88
15 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Lahu @ 2.89
16 81% Belgian + 19% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.89
17 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Miaozu @ 2.89
18 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Vietnamese @ 2.9
19 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dai @ 2.9
20 96.9% Bosnian + 3.1% She @ 2.92
Punt K13 sucks and assigns too much noise. It exaggerates Mongoloid admixture for sure. On Eu K13, HW and Dod Chris is below 2%.

K13: East_Asian 1.64
K12b: East_Asian 1.44
HW: NE_Asian 1.5

[Kaspias]

Punt K13 sucks and assigns too much noise. It exaggerates Mongoloid admixture for sure. On Eu K13, HW and Dod Chris is below 2%.

I don't think it exaggerates for everyone. I have 9.31% in K12b, have 9.1% in Punt K13

[Scandal]

Chris,

Do you have Serb/South Slavic surnames in your family?

[Leto]

I don't think it exaggerates for everyone. I have 9.31% in K12b, have 9.1% in Punt K13
For him (and for me among others) it does. Maybe for you it's okay.

[Impaler]

I don't think it exaggerates for everyone. I have 9.31% in K12b, have 9.1% in Punt K13

Do you count also Amerindian and Oceania?

[vbnetkhio]

Well if the result is not accurate it doesn't matter everyone gets a similar result. On the other hand, I don't think this is the case. Imagine a Serb gets 40% Eastern Euro yet his Balkan part balanced with Greek, not Serb. On the other hand, a Serb gets 20% Eastern Euro because his Balkan part balanced with Bulgarian, Montenegrin etc.. Both have identical results in Gedmatch. So, what caused such a difference in 23andMe? They use IBD after algorithm finds a population to fulfill your breakdown then assigning you regions according to IBD results. Instead, they should measure your relativity before assigning you a component.

This is the problem.




Imagine what I thought after see my own result :D

With all of my seriousness, I can prepare a better algorithm for everyone if I had their dataset. This actually applies to all companies.

yeah, those are drawbacks. all commercial tests are dumbed down. but 23andme is the least bad.
FTDNA and Ancestry admixtures are too broad and boring, they play it safe. MyHeritage attempts to be more detailed but the components are so badly made that the results are useless.

But in the end they are all just good for the raw data, and Eurogenes K13 is the real deal.

[Kaspias]

Do you count also Amerindian and Oceania?

Oceania yes, Amerindian no.

[Leto]

This is an interesting model

63.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 36.9% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.5

The BG and HU references on Dodecad aren't bad unlike many others.

[PAGANE]

Comparison results of my cousin made at both 23andme and
https://www.myheritage.com/dna/ethnicity/intro/E1RJCSI89564GGQ38HANKEB6DH5LEIR1F1K38O9ND18MSL3QB8 Q6MHQF9DAK4JB79T4J6R9OD9ILGM3H6DMM8C3899O78U2AA9T5 KTOmyheritage companies



23andme
https://i.ibb.co/hs25hTs/IMG-20200503-173504.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/ZNxCbCg/IMG-20200503-173528.jpg

[Leto]

Oceania yes, Amerindian no.
Oceanian in Europeans is absolutely noise and shouldn't be paid attention to. Unless you're an old stock Aussie or Kiwi of course :D

[Kaspias]

Comparison results of my cousin made at both 23andme and
https://www.myheritage.com/dna/ethnicity/intro/E1RJCSI89564GGQ38HANKEB6DH5LEIR1F1K38O9ND18MSL3QB8 Q6MHQF9DAK4JB79T4J6R9OD9ILGM3H6DMM8C3899O78U2AA9T5 KTOmyheritage companies



23andme
https://i.ibb.co/hs25hTs/IMG-20200503-173504.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/ZNxCbCg/IMG-20200503-173528.jpg

PAGANE, can you please post your 23andMe results and your Eurogenes K13?

[Impaler]

Oceania yes, Amerindian no.

I have 4.21% EE. NE_Asia + Siberian + Oceania.


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.3% Bulgarian + 20.7% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.11
2 76.1% Macedonian + 23.9% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.15
3 81.5% Macedonian + 18.5% Burusho @ 3.54
4 75.9% Romanian + 24.1% Nogay @ 3.54
5 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Turkish_Aydin @ 3.63
6 81.3% Romanian + 18.7% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 3.63
7 74.6% Macedonian + 25.4% Tadjik @ 3.87
8 84.4% Bulgarian + 15.6% Afghan_Hazara @ 3.93
9 84.6% Bulgarian + 15.4% Burusho @ 3.99
10 58.3% Moldavian + 41.7% Turkish @ 4.02
11 78.4% Bulgarian + 21.6% Tadjik @ 4.04
12 54% Turkish + 46% Utahn_European @ 4.04
13 85.8% Romanian + 14.2% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.04
14 74.7% Bulgarian + 25.3% Nogay @ 4.06
15 61.7% Moldavian + 38.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 4.07
16 50.5% Turkish_Kayseri + 49.5% Utahn_European @ 4.08
17 52.6% Turkish_Aydin + 47.4% Belgian @ 4.09
18 56.5% Spaniard + 43.5% Tadjik @ 4.11
[B]19 55.7% Turkish_Aydin + 44.3% Utahn_European @ 4.22
20 80.8% Macedonian + 19.2% Pathan @ 4.26

[Chris596]

Chris,

Do you have Serb/South Slavic surnames in your family?

I really don't know about it. All my family members had regular Hungarian surnames like Turi, Kovács, etc.

[Scandal]

I have 4.21% EE. NE_Asia + Siberian + Oceania.

What is EE?

[Scandal]

I really don't know about it. All my family members had regular Hungarian surnames like Turi, Kovács, etc.

Kovács can be south Slavic as well as Hungarian surname

[Terminator98]

Well one thing to keep in mind, the phenotypes are ancient and were spread and absorbed long ago through migration, so they would not necessarily align strictly with recent ancestry. Also, Chris' asiatic traits can fit within the Eastern and Southeastern European range of looks without needing exotic validation. In other words, his looks could be a recapitulation of ancestors from hundreds of years ago or more who's DNA is absorbed and recombined in broken bits.

I know but my point is that you can't judge someone by his look. By his results he could be South Slav but he doesn't look like one. If I had to guess (based on his appereance) I would guess him as 1/4 or at least 1/8 east asian.

[gixajo]

I really don't know about it. All my family members had regular Hungarian surnames like Turi, Kovács, etc.

You can run this one also with MH raw data: https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

It gave me more specific clade than Morley´s predictor.

Edit: Not related with the text of your post, simply it was your last post...

[Insuperable]

How did you make that estimation? Life span was that low in 19th century? My grandfather(rip) was born in 1923, almost 100 years ago and (obviously) I have 1/4 of my genes from him.

Let's say that average interval of each 'generation' in that person's case is 25 years.

Let black person be born in 1800 and has a child with a white person in 1825. That child would be 50% black. His descendant in 1850 would be born and would be 25% black. In 1875 would be 12.5%. In 1900 would be 6.25%. In 1925 would be 3.125%. In 1950 would be 1.5625% black. In 1975 the parent of the person Ford mentioned would be born and would be 0.78125% black. In 2000 that person would be born and would be 0.39% black or 1/256.

Maybe I missed something idk.

We don't know many things. Maybe the person in question Ford mentioned is in his or hers 80s and not 20s, maybe the average interval in his or hers case is not 25 years, but 35 years. Maybe it is even lower than 25 years, we can't know. Maybe years in question are actually 180 years and not 200, but yes that person could be 3% or even more black, but could be below 1%. The point is also that genes could be 'washed' away pretty quickly.

[Luke35]

Probably because the autosomal influence has been "washed out" but the genetic variants related to your apperance are still passed on. I know a Scot who has nappy hair like an African, yet his Black ancestor lived like 200 years ago. He would probably score 3% SSA tops if he tested.

+1

[Impaler]

What is EE?

Eastern Eurasia.

[Chris596]

You can run this one also with MH raw data: https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

It gave me more specific clade than Morley´s predictor.

Edit: Not related with the text of your post, simply it was your last post...

It says:

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is E-V13 Link to E-V13

E1b-V13 Panel Predicted E-V13 is the panel root. This panel is applicable and will definitely provide higher resolution.

[gixajo]

Let's say that average interval of each 'generation' in that person's case is 25 years.

Let black person be born in 1800 and has a child with a white person in 1825. That child would be 50% black. His descendant in 1850 would be born and would be 25% black. In 1875 would be 12.5%. In 1900 would be 6.25%. In 1925 would be 3.125%. In 1950 would be 1.5625% black. In 1975 the parent of the person Ford mentioned would be born and would be 0.78125% black. In 2000 that person would be born and would be 0.39% black or 1/256.

Maybe I missed something idk.

We don't know many things. Maybe the person in question Ford mentioned is in his or hers 80s and not 20s, maybe the average interval in his or hers case is not 25 years, but 35 years. Maybe it is even lower than 25 years, we can't know. Maybe years in question are actually 180 years and not 200, but yes that person could be 3% or even more black, but could be below 1%. The point is also that genes could be 'washed' away pretty quickly.

But only if every "mixture" are only made with 0% Black people.

In my maternal family,seeing the last 4 centuries, the average is 3 generations per century not 4. But is a particular case.

[Insuperable]

But only if every "mixture" are only made with 0% Black people.

In my maternal family,seeing the last 4 centuries, the average is 3 generations per century not 4. But is a particular case.

https://i.postimg.cc/VNQKRR5B/tenor.gif

[Scandal]

Eastern Eurasia.

But why are Oceania and Siberia considered Eastern Eurasian? They aren't, technicaly.

[Scandal]

I know but my point is that you can't judge someone by his look. By his results he could be South Slav but he doesn't look like one. If I had to guess (based on his appereance) I would guess him as 1/4 or at least 1/8 east asian.

There are serbs like them too though:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273767-Classify-an-atypical-serbian-guy-Vladimir-Rankovic
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?86023-Classify-Serbian-Sasha-Starovich-(HELP)

[Impaler]

But why are Oceania and Siberia considered Eastern Eurasian? They aren't, technicaly.

I don't know exactly, but Kaspias said only Oceania.

[Benim]

I've imagined you with over more than 10% east asian/siberian or amerindian and with N or Q haplogroup. So yet again, phenotype =/= genotype. I wonder why it doesn't apply the same to east asians to look more caucasoid influenced while they are 100% EEA anyway?

[Scandal]

I've imagined you with over more than 10% east asian/siberian or amerindian and with N or Q haplogroup. So yet again, haplotype =/= genotype. I wonder why it doesn't apply the same to east asians to look more caucasoid influenced while they are 100% EEA anyway?

I expected him to score maybe 4%, cuz that's the highest I've seen from a Hungarian. 10% or more mongoloid would've been very groundbreaking, because I've never seen a hungarian score such amount

[Leto]

But why are Oceania and Siberia considered Eastern Eurasian? They aren't, technicaly.
Siberia is Eastern Eurasia. Especially the Russian Far East definitely is.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Kaspias; 6671060] PAGANE, можете ли да публикувате своите резултати от 23andMe и вашите Eurogenes K13? [/ QUOTE]
I only have the test at the FDNA and myheritage, but in myheritage i uploaded the autosomal file from ftdna. I didn't do a separate test there
Eurogenes K131 North_Atlantic 23.55
2 Baltic 23
3 East_Med 18.26
4 West_Asian 15.61
5 West_Med 13.2
6 Red_Sea 4.3
7 South_Asian 1
8 Siberian 0.56
9 East_Asian 0.52


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.79
2 Bulgarian 6.36
3 Serbian 8.21
4 Greek_Thessaly 11.99
5 Moldavian 13.03
6 Hungarian 15.02
7 Croatian 15.97
8 Italian_Abruzzo 16.35
9 Tuscan 17.27
10 Central_Greek 17.45
11 Austrian 17.65
12 North_Italian 18.29
13 East_Sicilian 18.76
14 West_Sicilian 19.06
15 East_German 19.74
16 Ashkenazi 20.58
17 West_German 20.71
18 French 21.48
19 Ukrainian_Lviv 21.8
20 South_Italian 21.8


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% Hungarian + 29.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 1.77
2 81.4% Serbian + 18.6% Kurdish @ 1.83
3 70.6% Hungarian + 29.4% Assyrian @ 1.93
4 81.6% Serbian + 18.4% Iranian @ 2
5 79.3% Serbian + 20.7% Azeri @ 2.14
6 71.6% Hungarian + 28.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.26
7 64.5% East_German + 35.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.28
8 64.6% East_German + 35.4% Assyrian @ 2.29
9 70.9% Hungarian + 29.1% Armenian @ 2.42
10 65.7% East_German + 34.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.54
11 82.1% Serbian + 17.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.6
12 67.1% Austrian + 32.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.66
13 82.4% Serbian + 17.6% Armenian @ 2.7
14 71.5% Hungarian + 28.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.76
15 78% Serbian + 22% Turkish @ 2.8
16 83.6% Serbian + 16.4% Georgian @ 2.85
17 67.2% Austrian + 32.8% Assyrian @ 2.89
18 65% Hungarian + 35% Turkish @ 2.92
19 84.6% Serbian + 15.4% Abhkasian @ 2.97
20 65.5% East_German + 34.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.97

[Kaspias]

But why are Oceania and Siberia considered Eastern Eurasian? They aren't, technicaly.

It means non-Caucasoid. (=Mongoloid)


There are serbs like them too though:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273767-Classify-an-atypical-serbian-guy-Vladimir-Rankovic
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?86023-Classify-Serbian-Sasha-Starovich-(HELP)

I checked his matches, he has no Serb close match

[Benim]

Siberia is Eastern Eurasia. Especially the Russian Far East definitely is.

Oceania / australoids are closer to SEAs and other east asians than to iranians for example. So that's why it is considered EEA.

[MiloshN]

lol welcome to E-v13 squad :D

Now Albanians will come to tell you that you are originally Albanian! Which sub-branch of the E-V13?

[Terminator98]

There are serbs like them too though:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273767-Classify-an-atypical-serbian-guy-Vladimir-Rankovic
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?86023-Classify-Serbian-Sasha-Starovich-(HELP)

I went to elementary school with girl who was even more asian influenced than chris (if you saw her on street you would think she is 50℅ east asian) but it's rare as fuck, that is what I wanted to say. Anyway, it's impressive when 1 or 2℅ affect someone's look that much. :rolleyes:

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Chris596; 6670171] Kaspias, знаете ли също как мога да открия и моя митохондриална гаплогрупа? [/ QUOTE]

FDNA currently has a mother line discount of May 10-NOW ONLY- $ 139USD - complete mitochondrial

[Leto]

@Chris, post your Euro K15 please. Unless someone else already did a PCA for you.

[Dušan]

@Chris, post your Euro K15 please. Unless someone else already did a PCA for you.

And K36 for map, too.

[TheMaestro]

I can't agree. Current 23andme raw data is inferior to Myheritage, and by big margin.
They are not worth excessive money they demand.

Also, their regions aren't accurate either. It doesn't even recognize Stears Szekler side lol.
He didn't get any region in Romania and not a region of his mother in Hungary either.

Only raw data matters, and in that 23andme sucks on V5 chip.

Chris results on gedmatch are far more accurate with myheritage than they would be if he tested on 23andme.
And so will be his G25 coordinates if he buys them. Because his raw data is good.

Still autosomal sucks, Im not talking about raw data. I have myher raw data and cat upload it everywhere cuase it says it corrupted.

[Kaspias]

@Chris, post your Euro K15 please. Unless someone else already did a PCA for you.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.98
2 Atlantic 18.82
3 East_Med 13.49
4 North_Sea 13.16
5 West_Med 11.41
6 West_Asian 9.63
7 Eastern_Euro 9.38
8 Southeast_Asian 1.03
9 Sub-Saharan 0.08
10 Northeast_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.65
2 Bulgarian 7.68
3 Serbian 9.48
4 Croatian 9.68
5 Moldavian 10.06
6 Austrian 11.25
7 Hungarian 12.22
8 Greek 15.39
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.45
10 South_Polish 15.48
11 Greek_Thessaly 16.07
12 East_German 16.32
13 Ukrainian 16.46
14 Russian_Smolensk 17.27
15 Polish 17.86
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.89
17 Southwest_Russian 18.55
18 North_Italian 18.68
19 Tuscan 18.96
20 Belorussian 19.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Lithuanian @ 4.54
2 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Belorussian @ 4.74
3 73.4% Bulgarian + 26.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.78
4 60.2% Greek + 39.8% Lithuanian @ 4.78
5 76.6% Bulgarian + 23.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.96
6 53.2% Greek + 46.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.96
7 56.5% Greek + 43.5% Belorussian @ 5.04
8 75.1% Bulgarian + 24.9% Polish @ 5.17
9 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% South_Polish @ 5.25
10 59.2% Russian_Smolensk + 40.8% South_Italian @ 5.27
11 76.2% Bulgarian + 23.8% Southwest_Russian @ 5.31
12 75.5% Bulgarian + 24.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.33
13 59.5% Bulgarian + 40.5% Croatian @ 5.4
14 52.1% Lithuanian + 47.9% South_Italian @ 5.4
15 50.2% Greek + 49.8% South_Polish @ 5.45
16 80.6% Bulgarian + 19.4% Estonian @ 5.45
17 57% Greek + 43% Estonian_Polish @ 5.5
18 54.2% Greek + 45.8% Polish @ 5.5
19 55.9% Belorussian + 44.1% South_Italian @ 5.51
20 52.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 47.5% Lithuanian @ 5.57



And K36 for map, too.


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.21 Pct
Basque 2.29 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.14 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.75 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 16.86 Pct
East_Med 9.55 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.26 Pct
Fennoscandian 7.02 Pct
French 4.96 Pct
Iberian 5.66 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 15.56 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.86 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 3.87 Pct
North_Caucasian 5.52 Pct
North_Sea 4.08 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.29 Pct
West_Med 2.14 Pct

[Noble Cuman]

I believe baltid-cm influenced people can have East Asian like features. They do not need to score Mongoloid on gedmatch or dna tests. It is normal for Europeans to have pseudo Asian eyes.

[Chris596]

@Chris, post your Euro K15 please. Unless someone else already did a PCA for you.


And K36 for map, too.

Okay, Kaspias was faster than me :) Thank you Kaspias!

[TheMaestro]

lol welcome to E-v13 squad :D

Now Albanians will come to tell you that you are originally Albanian! Which sub-branch of the E-V13?

How can I find out subclade? I uploaded morley but there it says just this
E1b1b1a1b E-CTS1273 (E-CTS2374, E-CTS5371)
How can I find more about this.

[Kaspias]

Based on Dodecad K12b

https://i.ibb.co/DV1sq7K/Chris-Single.jpg

[Chris596]

lol welcome to E-v13 squad :D

Now Albanians will come to tell you that you are originally Albanian! Which sub-branch of the E-V13?

Haha thanks :) I'm not sure but I think it's E1b1b1a1b7? Is this what you're looking for?

[MiloshN]

Haha thanks :) I'm not sure but I think it's E1b1b1a1b7? Is this what you're looking for?

Ok ok xD I understand now :D

[Dušan]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.98
2 Atlantic 18.82
3 East_Med 13.49
4 North_Sea 13.16
5 West_Med 11.41
6 West_Asian 9.63
7 Eastern_Euro 9.38
8 Southeast_Asian 1.03
9 Sub-Saharan 0.08
10 Northeast_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.65
2 Bulgarian 7.68
3 Serbian 9.48
4 Croatian 9.68
5 Moldavian 10.06
6 Austrian 11.25
7 Hungarian 12.22
8 Greek 15.39
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.45
10 South_Polish 15.48
11 Greek_Thessaly 16.07
12 East_German 16.32
13 Ukrainian 16.46
14 Russian_Smolensk 17.27
15 Polish 17.86
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.89
17 Southwest_Russian 18.55
18 North_Italian 18.68
19 Tuscan 18.96
20 Belorussian 19.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% Lithuanian @ 4.54
2 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Belorussian @ 4.74
3 73.4% Bulgarian + 26.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.78
4 60.2% Greek + 39.8% Lithuanian @ 4.78
5 76.6% Bulgarian + 23.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.96
6 53.2% Greek + 46.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.96
7 56.5% Greek + 43.5% Belorussian @ 5.04
8 75.1% Bulgarian + 24.9% Polish @ 5.17
9 72.2% Bulgarian + 27.8% South_Polish @ 5.25
10 59.2% Russian_Smolensk + 40.8% South_Italian @ 5.27
11 76.2% Bulgarian + 23.8% Southwest_Russian @ 5.31
12 75.5% Bulgarian + 24.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.33
13 59.5% Bulgarian + 40.5% Croatian @ 5.4
14 52.1% Lithuanian + 47.9% South_Italian @ 5.4
15 50.2% Greek + 49.8% South_Polish @ 5.45
16 80.6% Bulgarian + 19.4% Estonian @ 5.45
17 57% Greek + 43% Estonian_Polish @ 5.5
18 54.2% Greek + 45.8% Polish @ 5.5
19 55.9% Belorussian + 44.1% South_Italian @ 5.51
20 52.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 47.5% Lithuanian @ 5.57





Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.21 Pct
Basque 2.29 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.14 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.75 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 16.86 Pct
East_Med 9.55 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.26 Pct
Fennoscandian 7.02 Pct
French 4.96 Pct
Iberian 5.66 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 15.56 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.86 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 3.87 Pct
North_Caucasian 5.52 Pct
North_Sea 4.08 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.29 Pct
West_Med 2.14 Pct

:)

https://i.imgur.com/87EpRj0.jpg

[Chris596]

:)

https://i.imgur.com/87EpRj0.jpg

Wow, truly Balkanic.

[Scandal]

Siberia is Eastern Eurasia. Especially the Russian Far East definitely is.

But I don't think Siberian component is purely East asian. I also think oceanian component is part Australoid.

[Leto]

But I don't think Siberian component is purely East asian. I also think oceanian component is part Australoid.
The Siberian on Gedmatch is fully East Eurasian.

[Scandal]

The Siberian on Gedmatch is fully East Eurasian.

How so? If it was, then it wouldn't be a separate component. On a pca Siberians plot differently than do East Asian people (Chinese, Japanese, Korean )

[Kaspias]

But I don't think Siberian component is purely East asian. I also think oceanian component is part Australoid.

Siberian is represented with Nganassan, they are fully East Eurasian.
Oceanian is not actually East Eurasian but they are closest to the SE Asians. Since Europeans don't have actual Oceanian admixture, it is usually misread as Oceanian instead of SE Asia.

[IrisSelene]

Based on Dodecad K12b

https://i.ibb.co/DV1sq7K/Chris-Single.jpgHow did you do that??

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[IrisSelene]

Do you not use the converted V3 data from Lemgrant? I still have that kit on my other account.No, I used the regular one I got from 23andme...

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[Leto]

How so? If it was, then it wouldn't be a separate component. On a pca Siberians plot differently than do East Asian people (Chinese, Japanese, Korean )
Because it is, duh. You've got a lot to learn, bro. Tungus people in Siberia are almost 100% Mongoloid. Even the Yakuts are 90+%.

[Leto]

No, I used the regular one I got from 23andme...

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So all our efforts were in vain. Nice to know that.

[Jana]

https://i.imgur.com/u1dQO73.png

[IrisSelene]

So all our efforts were in vain. Nice to know that.I just thought I had to use the official 23andme data for my heritage, didn't want to get in trouble or smth

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[Dunai]

Next time you should totally try to test your parents also, and if I were you, you should start with your mom first, because at least we can predict that from your Székely father you could have inherited plenty of Balkan already, but would like to see someone from Northern Alföld, as your mom, how close she really is to the Balkans average sample. From experience of seeing many Northern Alföld results they are quite a mixed beg: some are very Balkan shifted, while others are average Hungarian or even West Slavic shifted.

[Leto]

I just thought I had to use the official 23andme data for my heritage, didn't want to get in trouble or smth

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What trouble? Lol. It's not illegal or something. Just more SNPs.

[Scandal]

Even the Yakuts are 90+%.

I don't think so. According to k8 they are only 77.5% East asian, the rest is mostly ANE. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

My theory is Siberian component is a mix of East Asian+ ANE, so it's part caucasoid or at least caucasoid/western shifted. If Siberian was the same component as East Asian/Mongoloid then it simply wouldn't exist.

[Rabbit Hole]

Before I showed my results... people would of assumed I was lying too by my phenotype (but in my case as a Portuguese). Phenotype does not always = genotype people... and it is all about genotype in the end.

Awesome results btw!

It seems the standard here with anything, anyway.

[Leto]

I don't think so. According to k8 they are only 77.5% East asian, the rest is mostly ANE. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

My theory is Siberian component is a mix of East Asian+ ANE, so it's part caucasoid or at least caucasoid/western shifted. If Siberian was the same component as East Asian/Mongoloid then it simply wouldn't exist.
East Eurasians aren't all the same. Just like Kurds are not the same as Poles.

[Scandal]

Btw "bro" is a negroid/gypsy way of addressing someone imo.

[Daos777]

E-V13 over represented on this forum lol.


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[IrisSelene]

What trouble? Lol. It's not illegal or something. Just more SNPs.I'm gonna upload it on dna.land

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[Luke35]

I don't think so. According to k8 they are only 77.5% East asian, the rest is mostly ANE. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

My theory is Siberian component is a mix of East Asian+ ANE, so it's part caucasoid or at least caucasoid/western shifted. If Siberian was the same component as East Asian/Mongoloid then it simply wouldn't exist.

Have you done a commercial test for yourself Universe?

[Leto]

Btw "bro" is a negroid/gypsy way of addressing someone imo.
It's just a slang/informal word. All races use it.

[Scandal]

Have you done a commercial test for yourself Universe?

no, why.

[Ion Basescul]

E-V13 over represented on this forum lol.


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The new Europeans

[Luke35]

no, why.

Because I'd like to see your results of course.

[Kamilla13]

E-V13 over represented on this forum lol.


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The Master Y lool, I got it as well.
I wonder why is it so widespread?

[Rocinante]

Nice! We share Haplo!

[IrisSelene]

It would be interesting to see a map of all Hungarian or part Hungarian members, one for Romanian members, other for Greeks etc.. Maybe they've already been done and I'm not aware lol

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[Chris596]

I just told my grandma the results. She told me her mother's father (my great great grandfather) was called Devecska József. I don't know how south slavic that is? Maybe something like Јозеф Девецхка? Or was it changed maybe from Devčić? I'm not familiar with these names.

Edit: birth place unknown, only the Austro-Hungarian Empire is for sure.

[Daos777]

The Master Y lool, I got it as well.
I wonder why is it so widespread?

Few reasons why:

>Somehow became elite among Indo-Europeans and was spread by them throughout the world. it’s even found as Far East as Siberia and that makes 0 sense without this theory. This would of happened when Indo-Europeans assimilated it from Globular Amphora and Cucuteni culture. Why it wasn’t killed off with Y-DNA G don’t know.

>or it was more widespread in Europe than we believe or have evidence of but I doubt this.

>or another origin that I can’t think of

Either way this is journey of E-V13

Iberomaurusian Mechtoid Cro-Magnoids in North Africa > late Mesolithic/early Neolithic Southern Europe> farming and sheit in the Neolithic> indo-european assimilation

Pretty simple


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[Daos777]

The Master Y lool, I got it as well.
I wonder why is it so widespread?

Few reasons why:

>Somehow became elite among Indo-Europeans and was spread by them throughout the world. it’s even found as Far East as Siberia and that makes 0 sense without this theory. This would of happened when Indo-Europeans assimilated it from Globular Amphora and Cucuteni culture. Why it wasn’t killed off with Y-DNA G don’t know.

>or it was more widespread in Europe than we believe or have evidence of but I doubt this.

>or another origin that I can’t think of

Either way this is journey of E-V13

Iberomaurusian Mechtoid Cro-Magnoids in North Africa > late Mesolithic/early Neolithic Southern Europe> farming and sheit in the Neolithic> indo-european assimilation

Pretty simple.


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[Kamilla13]

Few reasons why:

>Somehow became elite among Indo-Europeans and was spread by them throughout the world. it’s even found as Far East as Siberia and that makes 0 sense without this theory. This would of happened when Indo-Europeans assimilated it from Globular Amphora and Cucuteni culture. Why it wasn’t killed off with Y-DNA G don’t know.

>or it was more widespread in Europe than we believe or have evidence of but I doubt this.

>or another origin that I can’t think of

Either way this is journey of E-V13

Iberomaurusian Mechtoid Cro-Magnoids in North Africa > late Mesolithic/early Neolithic Southern Europe> farming and sheit in the Neolithic> indo-european assimilation

Pretty simple


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Yesss, it's the only Mediterranian Y evenly spread throughout Europe, except up Scandinavia.
It peaks in Albania with almost 60 % , too high!

[Jana]

Yesss, it's the only Mediterranian Y evenly spread throughout Europe, except up Scandinavia.
It peaks in Albania with almost 60 % , too high!

E-V13 is present in Scandinavia as well, in low amounts obviously.
It peaks in Kosovo, not Albania, and there it is most probably result of founder effect. Albania has significantly lower percentage.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Chris596; 6671422] Току-що казах на баба резултатите. Тя ми каза, че бащата на майка си (моят голям прадядо) се казвал Девецска Йозеф. Не знам колко е южнославянският? Може би нещо като Лозеф Девецхка? Или беше променен може би от Девчич? Не съм запознат с тези имена.

Редактиране: място на раждане неизвестно, само Австро-Унгарската империя е сигурна. [/ ЦИТАТ]


Chris, why don't you transfer the autosomal file to FTDNA, it's free and you will get dna relatives to help you navigate which part of the Balkans is predominant

[Scandal]

I just told my grandma the results. She told me her mother's father (my great great grandfather) was called Devecska József. I don't know how south slavic that is? Maybe something like Јозеф Девецхка? Or was it changed maybe from Devčić? I'm not familiar with these names.

Edit: birth place unknown, only the Austro-Hungarian Empire is for sure.
Seems Slovak
https://forebears.io/surnames/deve%C4%8Dka

[Ion Basescul]

Get in here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321860-Classify-and-passify-Ion-Basescul-s-brother&p=6671451#post6671451

[Kamilla13]

E-V13 is present in Scandinavia as well, in low amounts obviously.
It peaks in Kosovo, not Albania, and there it is most probably result of founder effect. Albania has significantly lower percentage.

Kosovo, yes . Sorry. How can this founder effect be

explained ?

[Jana]

Kosovo, yes . Sorry. How can this founder effect be

explained ?

It's common in tribal societies, where powerful men had lot of offspring and eventually most of men descend from relatively few founders.

[Halgurd]

Few reasons why:

>Somehow became elite among Indo-Europeans and was spread by them throughout the world. it’s even found as Far East as Siberia and that makes 0 sense without this theory. This would of happened when Indo-Europeans assimilated it from Globular Amphora and Cucuteni culture. Why it wasn’t killed off with Y-DNA G don’t know.

>or it was more widespread in Europe than we believe or have evidence of but I doubt this.

>or another origin that I can’t think of

Either way this is journey of E-V13

Iberomaurusian Mechtoid Cro-Magnoids in North Africa > late Mesolithic/early Neolithic Southern Europe> farming and sheit in the Neolithic> indo-european assimilation

Pretty simple.


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Check the ancient E map there is a Scythian with E-V13 as well

[Leto]

Nice! We share Haplo!
Weren't you R1b?

[Rocinante]

Weren't you R1b?

Now i decided to be E1b, like my hero Defcon2.

[Leto]

Now i decided to be E1b, like my hero Defcon2.
Isn't his haplo Jigaboo? I mean legit Negro, not V-13?

[Chris596]

My DNA.LAND ancestry report is in progress as well.

[Rocinante]

Isn't his haplo Jigaboo? I mean legit Negro, not V-13?

I don't exactly remember his subclade, because he change it to R1b-L21, he decided to use his steward haplogroup and now i don't remember exactly what subclade is, but i think is north-african and not SSA.

[Kamilla13]

My DNA.LAND ancestry report is in progress as well.

I would be curious to see that one.
On there, I bearly get any Balkan.
Not sure how legit is it though.

I'm sure Kaspias knows :cool:

[Daos777]

Isn't his haplo Jigaboo? I mean legit Negro, not V-13?

Real Jigaboo are only A and B. E migrated south from North Africa and took the jigaboo women away. E men were not nibbas they were afalou/mechtoid cro-magnoids.


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[Dušan]

Based on Dodecad K12b

https://i.ibb.co/DV1sq7K/Chris-Single.jpg

Add me in diagram, if you want

Gedrosia 3.49 Pct
Siberian 1.51 Pct
Northwest_African 0.87 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.69 Pct
North_European 42.01 Pct
South_Asian 0.19 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.37 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 21.87 Pct
Sub_Saharan -