The Armenians - People of Armenia, Caucasus

[Storm]

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[Aviane]

Although Western Asian looking I can also see them as Southeastern (Macedonian, Bulgarian or perhaps Albanian) and partly as Eastern European (South Russian, Chechen or maybe Belarusian).

Even at the same time can be some Ashkenazis or defintely Sephardics.

[hajduk]

Are you serious?

[hajduk]

Some of them can fit, but the majority are easily reacognisable and can fit as gypsies, turks or just armenians

[Austrvegr]

Eastern European (South Russian, Chechen or maybe Belarusian).

You are dumb.

[Anthropologique]

Armenians are most diverse. Many look Middle Eastern or some form of Turkish... huge variety of admixture.

[Hess]

You are dumb.

No need to be rude.

I would say that about 10% of Armenians can pass as SE Europeans. The rest have a easily recognizable Kavkaz Middle Eastern look.

[Aviane]

Are you serious?

Sorry if I exaggerated a bit but I'm also serious.


Some of them can fit, but the majority are easily reacognisable and can fit as gypsies, turks or just armenians

I would say they would fit more like as Lebanese, Turks or Cypriots.


You are dumb.

Now now, no need to be catty. :p


Armenians are most diverse. Many look Middle Eastern or some form of Turkish... huge variety of admixture.

Of course Armenians are diverse that's why they can almost fit in alot of places between some parts Europe and Western Asia.

So that's not so hard to figure.

[Sikeliot]

I think Armenians look almost exactly like Levantines.

[Hess]

I think Armenians look almost exactly like Levantines.

I will actually go as far as to say that Levantines, on average, show less semitic influence than Armenians do.

[Sikeliot]

I will actually go as far as to say that Levantines, on average, show less semitic influence than Armenians do.


But they are genetically more Semitic than Armenians are.

[Hess]

But they are genetically more Semitic than Armenians are.

:shrug:

then I suppose this is one of those cases where genetics doesn't reflect phenotype.

I can't generalize about all Levantines, but I would be willing to bet that the Lebanese have less Armenoid (Semitic) traits than Armenians.

[Austrvegr]

No need to be rude.


Calling Chechens East European and putting them together with Russians and Belorussians is like calling Moroccans West European and putting them together with the English, which IS dumb.

[memobekes]

@Storm

Many thanks for the images. Just wish they had been a lot bigger to view :)

Although the Armenoid component is strong/significant in their population, I don't think it's as uniform as some ethnologists (Coon for example) have put it.

As you can see from my samples below of Armenian soccer players, brachycephals are not the only type you can encounter. There are also lots of Ostmediterranid, Iranid and even 1-2 Osteuropid-looking individuals:

National team
http://www.ffa.am/pics/trainers/53.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/1873.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/45.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/1841.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/1985.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/2177.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/29.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/4325.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/21.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/5.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/6139.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/125.jpghttp://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/1989.jpg

Regards.

[memobekes]

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[memobekes]

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[hr]Women national team[/b]
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[memobekes]

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[Sikeliot]

How much of Europe would you guys say these Armenians could fit in, i.e. how far west, north, south etc?

[Anthropologique]

As common "range" types, places like Malta, Cyprus and possibly some regions of Greece and pockets of the Balkans.

[Hess]

Calling Chechens East European and putting them together with Russians and Belorussians is like calling Moroccans West European and putting them together with the English, which IS dumb.

He never said that all Chechens look like East Europeans. He was simply pointing out that some Chechens who have red hair an blue eyes have a tendency to resemble east Europeans.

[Austrvegr]

He never said that all Chechens look like East Europeans. He was simply pointing out that some Chechens who have red hair an blue eyes have a tendency to resemble east Europeans.

No need to twist the meaning of his words. He said,


Although Western Asian looking I can also see them as Southeastern (Macedonian, Bulgarian or perhaps Albanian) and partly as Eastern European (South Russian, Chechen or maybe Belarusian).

I.d. mentioned Chechens between Russians and Belorusians as characteristic Eastern Europeans, which is dumb.

[Agrippa]

A large portion can easily pass as "exotic Europeans", but only a minority as "regular Euorpeans". Of the latter, some could easily pass in parts of Central or Western Europe as well - Eastern Europe too, South Eastern Europe anyway.

But as I said, that is a minority, the largest part has problems passing as "exotic" or "irregular" Europeans actually.

Is there such a thread about Georgians already? Would be very interesting as well.

Racially, Armenoid is clearly dominant, then comes (Asian) Alpinoid, after that the main European-like component, which is Eastmediterranid, then Iranid.

I guess some Dinariomorphic individuals are Caucasid, some others the result of an progressive Armenoid + Mediterranid/Iranid mixture.

[Bridie]

He never said that all Chechens look like East Europeans. He was simply pointing out that some Chechens who have red hair an blue eyes have a tendency to resemble east Europeans.I didn't notice any blue-eyed redheads in that lot. :confused:

[memobekes]

A large portion can easily pass as "exotic Europeans"
"exotic" Europeans? I don't agree. If you can pass as a European, then you can look European, even if it's only one country. I don't really buy the terms "exotic" or "regular". And I'm not sure if these words even exist or are valid in anthropology.

But as I said, that is a minority, the largest part has problems passing as "exotic" or "irregular" Europeans actually.
I'd argue that chock-fulls could easily blend in Southeastern Europe.

Is there such a thread about Georgians already? Would be very interesting as well.
I'll create a new thread in a short while on Georgian soccer players. Would be interesting to hear your opinions on them :)

Racially, Armenoid is clearly dominant, then comes (Asian) Alpinoid, after that the main European-like component, which is Eastmediterranid, then Iranid.
That's a common misconception on Armenians. "Armenoid" is clearly a contributing factor but not as homogeneous as some state. Did you see the soccer players I attached? Most are dolicho-mesocephals with strong Iranid and Eastmediterranid influences present.

Regards.

[Agrippa]

"exotic" Europeans? I don't agree. If you can pass as a European, then you can look European, even if it's only one country. I don't really buy the terms "exotic" or "regular". And I'm not sure if these words even exist or are valid in anthropology.

Fact is, that basic types of Europe are Nordid, Cromagnid/Dalofaelid, Mediterranid, Dinarid, Alpinoid, Osteuropid.

That's what dominates ALL EUROPEAN POPULATIONS!

Everything else is exotic by default.

And Armenoid, which is the main element here, is exotic in a more characteristic form even for Greece or parts of Southern Russia, but it is something present there.

Now if this variants at the fringes of Europe being a fringe element in this fringe areas, it is something exotic and not something regular. For the people in question, but even more so for the rest of Europe.


I'll create a new thread in a short while on Georgian soccer players. Would be interesting to hear your opinions on them :)

Soccer players are not always that representative, often you get just suboptimal pictures of them either. So I would prefer the regular people - like in this thread, which is a great sample.


That's a common misconception on Armenians. "Armenoid" is clearly a contributing factor but not as homogeneous as some state. Did you see the soccer players I attached? Most are dolicho-mesocephals with strong Iranid and Eastmediterranid influences present.

Actually the soccer players are facially more Armenoid than many of the pictured individuals.

The physically superiour sportspeople are often somewhat longer headed and more mesomorphic-masculine, which is why I said they might not be so representative for the whole population.

[memobekes]

Actually the soccer players are facially more Armenoid than many of the pictured individuals.

Could you please pick out a few who you think looks Armenoid, facially?
Regards.

[Hess]

I didn't notice any blue-eyed redheads in that lot. :confused:

I was talking about chechens. This is the president of chechnya.
http://gdb.rferl.org/C6961D91-F5A8-40BE-BF0C-5B8D4F744620_mw800_mh600_s.jpg

[Agrippa]

Pred. Armenoid facially:
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/1873.jpg
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/4325.jpg
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/125.jpg
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/709.jpg
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/1421.jpg
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/65.jpg
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/1997.jpg

http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/6271.jpg
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/6267.jpg
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/5517.jpg
http://www.ffa.am/pics/players/national/5537.jpg

Many more have influences.

Armenoid is definitely the single most important element among them, even if it is mixed in many.

[Gunslinger]

Haven't been here for ages, hello to everyone, especiually those who remember me :)

4 Armenian girls,presnter,photomodel,actresses

btw, first girl is not the same as my avatar, although looks like her...)



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http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/getimage.php_.jpg

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Wrong thread

[Nairi]

Wrong thread

Since Armenian dominant haplogroup is R1b which in fact carries name "Armenian" I am on the right thread...

R1b = Italic, Celtic, Germanic/ Hittite, Armenian

[Han Cholo]

Since Armenian dominant haplogroup is R1b which in fact carries name "Armenian" I am on the right thread...

R1b = Italic, Celtic, Germanic/ Hittite, Armenian

Armenia is not in Europea and Armenians are not Europeans but West Asians/Anatolians. Not all Armenians are r1b and not all r1b's are European.

I'm likely r1b as well (of the actual Southwest Euro kind and not the Anatolian/central asian) Am I a Celto-Germanic/hittite Armenian as well? :lol:

[Nairi]

Armenia is not in Europea and Armenians are not Europeans but West Asians/Anatolians. Not all Armenians are r1b and not all r1b's are European.

I'm likely r1b as well (of the actual Southwest Euro kind and not the Anatolian/central asian) Am I a Celto-Germanic/hittite Armenian as well? :lol:

No, you are simply a troll, Georgian-Azeri-Turkish, one of them...

And don't pollute this thread, you read my question but ran here to slander us now here off, summon up some guts and answer my direct question there...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28980&page=16

P.S.
I urge moderators to pay attention to some trolls here...

[Han Cholo]

No, you are simply a troll, Georgian-Azeri-Turkish, one of them...

And don't pollute this thread, you read my question but ran here to slander us now here off, summon up some guts and answer my direct question there...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28980&page=16

P.S.
I urge moderators to pay attention to some trolls here...

When you lose your passion for old outdated haplogroup studies and are willing to discuss advanced autosomals such as this tell me, this is what we're dealing with:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9Z3KYL6AmkM/TkTaXeASbgI/AAAAAAAAD6w/s4hiKdp6sB4/s1600/ADMIXTURE%2BArmenians_12.png

West Asian+Southwest Asian+South Asian forms their larger component whereas East+West Euro+Mediterranean accounts for 20%/30% (save 3 exceptions where they are Russian admixed).

[Nairi]

Clear troll's action here, the same over and over, if u missed the point, I posted revised researches with screenshots there...

and I will repeat, stop spamming this thread, it is not for discussions but only for pics...

P.S. The map also talks about Armenian Highland (Weste Asia/SouthWeast Asia) using wrong term put in circulation by Turks. So yes, Armenians have Armenian Hihgland haplogroups, which all belong to various white/european haplogroups...

[Han Cholo]

Clear troll's action here, the same over and over, if u missed the point, I posted revised researches with screenshots there...

and I will repeat, stop spamming this thread, it is not for discussions but only for pics...

You missed one part there "pics of European women" and Armenians are not Europeans but West Asians (both geographically and culturally.)

Is a big issue to you to not be an European? You mentioned Azeris, Turks, Georgians. Are they actual "West Asians" as opposed to Armenians who are "all r1b" like "Germanics, Celts, and Hittites", according to you, that is?

[Nairi]

You missed one part there "pics of European women" and Armenians are not Europeans but West Asians (both geographically and culturally.)

Is a big issue to you to not be an European? You mentioned Azeris, Turks, Georgians. Are they actual "West Asians" as opposed to Armenians who are "all r1b" like "Germanics, Celts, and Hittites", according to you, that is?

West Asia is a term to replace Armenian Hihgland, cradle of civilization and Indo-Europeans...

Troll, post there...

[Nairi]

Isn't it nice Turks replace Armenian Hihgland with wrong terms Anatolia/Wetern,etc. Asia and Georgian-Azeri-Turkihs propaganda uses the term "Asian" to deprive Armenians from their own heritage...

You can see how this troll follows me in all threads I post,I urge moderators to keep the place clean...


The Armenian Highland (Armenian: Հայկական լեռնաշխարհ Haykakan leṙnašxarh; Russian: Армянское нагорье Armyanskoye nagor'e; also known as the Armenian Upland, Armenian plateau, simply Armenia[1]; erroneously referred to as Eastern Anatolia or Eastern Asia Minor[2])

File:Armenian Highlands.jpg

When the Treaty of Lausanne was signed in 1923, the Republic of Turkey was established. In its attempts to shroud the Armenian heritage of Turkey, the authorities of the republic began a systematic campaign to alter Armenian placenames. These attempts included the name change of the geographical expression "Armenian plateau" to "Eastern Anatolia."[3]

This is how Turks replaced name "Armenian" from nature...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH-7XUeUGRY

[Zephyr]

West Asia is a term to replace Armenian Highland, cradle of civilization and Indo-Europeans...

Armenian Highland, cradle of civilization and Indo-Europeans?

[Han Cholo]

Isn't it nice Turks replace Armenian Hihgland with wrong terms Anatolia/Wetern,etc. Asia and Georgian-Azeri-Turkihs propaganda uses the term "Asian" to deprive Armenians from their own heritage...

You think "West Asian" which is one of the most neutral terms possible such as "North European", "East Asian", "Central African" are depriving of heritage and incorrect whereas you constantly make references to "Nordic Armenian race", "Celto-Germanic R1b" and "Aryans"? You're quite inconsistent and I can assure you I'm not Turkish, or anything close to that region.



You can see how this troll follows me in all threads I post,I urge moderators to keep the place clean...


The Armenian Highland (Armenian: Հայկական լեռնաշխարհ Haykakan leṙnašxarh; Russian: Армянское нагорье Armyanskoye nagor'e; also known as the Armenian Upland, Armenian plateau, simply Armenia[1]; erroneously referred to as Eastern Anatolia or Eastern Asia Minor[2])

File:Armenian Highlands.jpg

When the Treaty of Lausanne was signed in 1923, the Republic of Turkey was established. In its attempts to shroud the Armenian heritage of Turkey, the authorities of the republic began a systematic campaign to alter Armenian placenames. These attempts included the name change of the geographical expression "Armenian plateau" to "Eastern Anatolia."[3]

This is how Turks replaced name "Armenian" from nature...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH-7XUeUGRY

I never denied the existence of Armenians. But West Asian is a geographical term. You're more related to those Azeris and Turks you hate than you're to Northern Europeans (or anything else for that matter.)

[Nairi]

Armenian Highland, cradle of civilization and Indo-Europeans?

Can we, please, take this convo to a link I mentioned, I really feel guilty since this thread is only for pics? :)

See u here...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28980&page=16

[Han Cholo]

Can we, please, take this convo to a link I mentioned, I really feel guilty since this thread is only for pics? :)

See u here...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28980&page=16

You started this by merely posting a ton of pictures of Armenians. I merely corrected you on the fact that they're not Europeans and for some reason this appears to upset you.

[Nairi]

You think "West Asian" which is one of the most neutral terms possible such as "North European", "East Asian", "Central African" are depriving of heritage and incorrect whereas you constantly make references to "Nordic Armenian race", "Celto-Germanic R1b" and "Aryans"? You're quite inconsistent and I can assure you I'm not Turkish, or anything close to that region.



I never denied the existence of Armenians. But West Asian is a geographical term. You're more related to those Azeris and Turks you hate than you're to Northern Europeans (or anything else for that matter.)

The last time for trolls!
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28980&page=16

So you are Georgian lol

I am goona make a post related to Azeris,about Turks I have already made, yes, indeed qwe are related to assimilated Armenians who are recognisedd as "Turks", so are many other nations, but we have nothing in common with real Turks who changed their genetics moslty via Armenians...

[Han Cholo]

The last time for trolls!
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28980&page=16

So you are Georgian lol

I am goona make a post related to Azeris,about Turks I have already made, yes, indeed qwe are related to assimilated Armenians who are recognisedd as "Turks", so are many other nations, but we have nothing in common with real Turks who changed their genetics moslty via Armenians...

All the native peoples of the Anatolian peninsula are West Asians related to Armenians, Georgians with more Balkan influences or Levantine influences depending on you go. What Seljuks did in Turkey was not much more than a cultural change. Compared to other elements the actual Turkic admixture is rather minor. Pretending you have more in common with Celts and Germanics than with modern day Turks is just deluding yourself.

[The Journeyman]

Armenians are actually geopolitically European. Culturally, they are Orthodox Christian and have been more often allies to European nations in opposing eastern and islamic powers. I don't have a problem with them, only those Kardashian gypsies.

[Nairi]

Armenians are actually geopolitically European. Culturally, they are Orthodox Christian and have been more often allies to European nations in opposing eastern and islamic powers. I don't have a problem with them, only those Kardashian gypsies.

:)

Kardashians are only half Armenian, being from maternal side of Cherokki blood which is clearly seen in their mother. Their Armenian grandmother was blond, blue eyed which one of their sisters partily inherited.

Moreover, Kardashians were born and raised in USA, have American upbringing, never been to Armenia, can't speak Armenian. Some teens consider them gorgeous but majority of Armenains don't consider them part of us...

[Nairi]

Leading racialist anthropologists like * Carleton S. Coon (The Races of Europe) and * Madison Grant (The passing of the great race) clearly established the 'Armenoid' is a White sub-group within Dinarid and Alpinid (in turn racial sub-groups of the White race) respectively. Most Armenians and Caucasians are not even 'Armenoid' to begin with but are Alpines and Dinarics, so even the name is a misnomer.

Ewald Banse, Nordic Race in Armenia and Northern Iran


http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/259060_129972917083037_100002109896636_250731_2374 183_o.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_05eUjEBjRGY/S-20fAtpzjI/AAAAAAAAALY/_3wf1aU_qLc/s1600/IMG_0228.JPG

http://hiter.do.am/NEW_PREMIERE/NOR_KATAROXNER/IVETA_MUKUCHYAN.jpg

[Han Cholo]

Leading racialist anthropologists like * Carleton S. Coon (The Races of Europe) and * Madison Grant (The passing of the great race) clearly established the 'Armenoid' is a White sub-group within Dinarid and Alpinid (in turn racial sub-groups of the White race) respectively. Most Armenians and Caucasians are not even 'Armenoid' to begin with but are Alpines and Dinarics, so even the name is a misnomer.

Ewald Banse, Nordic Race in Armenia and Northern Iran


http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/259060_129972917083037_100002109896636_250731_2374 183_o.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_05eUjEBjRGY/S-20fAtpzjI/AAAAAAAAALY/_3wf1aU_qLc/s1600/IMG_0228.JPG

http://hiter.do.am/NEW_PREMIERE/NOR_KATAROXNER/IVETA_MUKUCHYAN.jpg

Yes, Armenoids don't exist in Armenia. Only the Aryan nordic race exist in Armenia because 15% are "r1b" like Celts, Germanics and Hittites. The nordic race lives in Armenia and your avatar is a typical Armenian.

And of course, you are not West Asian (unlike Georgians, Turks and Chechens, you're Germanic and Celtic because you have r1b) despite your geographical location and you're not related to your neighboring ethnicities despite all the evidence leads to that.

Nairi, tell me, how many times do they call you Fatima in England?

http://www.zed.fr/_caches/jimages/99aeb8cb709089d1366c990f1c8f9d6549fccbc8.jpg

http://www.torontoarmenianchurch.com/dnn/Portals/0/Photos/Portraits/Mr%20Ara%20Boyajian.jpg

http://forum.hayastan.com/gallery/1140445237/med_gallery_241_31_5182.jpg

The first woman has bleached hair and heavy Asian Alpine/Armenoid appareance btw ;)

[Boudica]

Since Armenian dominant haplogroup is R1b which in fact carries name "Armenian" I am on the right thread...

R1b = Italic, Celtic, Germanic/ Hittite, Armenian

King Tut of Egypt was R1b, is he European? :rolleyes:

[Boudica]

West Asia is a term to replace Armenian Hihgland, cradle of civilization and Indo-Europeans...

Troll, post there...

??????

[Zephyr]

Nordic race in Armenia??

My God...

I don't want to hurt your feelings but the only chance of having a nordic race in Armenia is a WRC race...

Mads Østberg
http://subaria.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/mads-ostberg.jpg

Per-Gunnar Andersson
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_M9KQv88pcQU/TThSoC9-wII/AAAAAAAAgyc/p7KDTgWJzXA/s1600/Andersson%2B09.JPG

Mikko Hirvonen
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/MikkoAUS2006.JPG/250px-MikkoAUS2006.JPG

Mikko Irvonen racing in Mexico race
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LsXFdR8ygi4/TAQH_mpyEkI/AAAAAAAARjE/kDRNvKNcT8c/s400/HIRVONEN+MIKKO+MEXICO+2010.JPG

[Boudica]

Ewald Banse, Nordic Race in Armenia and Northern Iran[/B]


http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/259060_129972917083037_100002109896636_250731_2374 183_o.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_05eUjEBjRGY/S-20fAtpzjI/AAAAAAAAALY/_3wf1aU_qLc/s1600/IMG_0228.JPG

http://hiter.do.am/NEW_PREMIERE/NOR_KATAROXNER/IVETA_MUKUCHYAN.jpg

The first skank is NOT Nordic. You posted her because she has blonde hair probably. But to anyone that isn't blind it's obvious her hair is dyed, and that her natural hair color is a dark brown, her eyes, due to the obvious color enhancement, have been photo shopped as well. As for the other examples of the "nordic race in Armenia and Iran", are you fucking blind? Lol

[The Alchemist]

Especially the first one has got a typical iranian face...I agree that many people are convinced that blond= nordid (even dyed blond) :D

[Nairi]

are you fucking blind? Lol


Did u grow up in the streets without parents? Mind ur language...

I never said I am posting only Nordics...my post was about

Most Armenians and Caucasians are not even 'Armenoid' to begin with but are Alpines and Dinarics,

If you wanted Nordics you coul ask politely... LMAO

By Carleton S. Coon, The Races of Europe(Chapter VI, section 5) and

Ewald Banse, Nordic Race in Armenia and Northern Iran


http://www.girls.am/wp-content/uploads/ts.bmp

http://www.girls.am/wp-content/uploads/atr.bmp

Hamshen girl. Small Armenian community in (Turkish occupied) Western Armenia.

The following Nordic types are shown among Armenians,From Carleton S. Coon’s book

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashx_.jpg

Furthermore,


an important series of Early Iron Age crania from the Sevan district of Armenia, probably dated from the earlier half of the first millennium B.C., and probably therefore earlier than the Scyths in Europe, or at least as early as their first appearance, is exactly like the more dolichocephalic element in the Scythian group, and manifestly Nordic. The vault, like that of the Scyths, is low, the nose leptorrhine, the face leptene, with more compressed zygomata.67 (See Appendix I col. 38.) Morphologically, these Armenian skulls are characterized by a medium forehead slope, moderate browridges and muscular development; a moderately deep nasion depression, and straight or lightly convex nasal profile; a projection of the occiput which is most marked in the lower segment, and accompanied by some lambdoid flattening; a typical compression in the malar region. This series serves a double purpose: to show that a Nordic type entered into the modern Armenian blend, and to define the Iranian variety of Nordic which may have been likewise involved in the settlement of Persia and of India.68 Furthermore, it is very similar, both metrically and morphologically, to the early Germanic cranial group, and this virtual identity draws together the two geographical extremes of an originally united family.

Carleton S. Coon, The Races of Europe(Chapter VI, section 5)

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/190.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxtert.jpg

Leading racialist anthropologists like * Carleton S. Coon (The Races of Europe) and * Madison Grant (The passing of the great race) clearly established the ‘Armenoid’ is a White sub-group within Dinarid and Alpinid (in turn racial sub-groups of the White race) respectively. Most Armenians and Caucasians are not even ‘Armenoid’ to begin with but are Alpines and Dinarics, so even the name is a misnomer.

Ewald Banse, Nordic Race in Armenia and Northern Iran

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxe_.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxm_.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxkl.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxnkn.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxkj.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxll.jpg

[Han Cholo]

Armenoid/Dinarid:
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/190.jpg

This one is definately part Russian:
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxtert.jpg

Unclear pic but Anatolid.
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxe_.jpg

Pontid/Armenoid:
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxm_.jpg

Pontid/Armenoid:
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxkl.jpg

And the Nordics? All have a heavy West Asian look.

[Nairi]

Armenoid/Dinarid:
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/190.jpg

This one is definately part Russian:
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxtert.jpg

Unclear pic but Anatolid.
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxe_.jpg

Pontid/Armenoid:
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxm_.jpg

Pontid/Armenoid:
http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/loadimage.ashxkl.jpg

And the Nordics? All have a heavy West Asian look.

Georgian,
Your "research" sucks, go check this thread on eNationalist forum (without trolls like urself) where there are qualified anthopologist who agreed on Nordic looks of all 100% Armenians...u beter think of ur mixed up nation...

[Han Cholo]

Georgian,
you researches suck, go check this thread on eNationalist forum where there are qualified anthopologist who agreed on Nordic looks of all 100% Armenians...u beter think of ur mixed up nation...

So you actually think Armenians are Aryans of Nordic race but Georgians who have a much older language and are way more isolated up in the mountains are a mixed up people of sand niggers? Armenians are significantly swarthier and darker than Georgians on average. It's far easier to find a Georgian with light pigmentation than an Armenian (however that doesn't make Georgians any less west asian, just like your amount of photoshopped and cherrypicked pictures won't make Armenians any less West Asian.)

In reality Georgians are more pure West Asians than you are. Armenians have more elevated SouthWest Asian, South Asian and East Euro.

[Nairi]

So you actually think Armenians are Aryans of Nordic race but Georgians who have a much older language and are way more isolated up in the mountains are a mixed up people of sand niggers?

In reality Georgians are more pure West Asians than you are. Armenians have more elevated SouthWest Asian, South Asian and East Euro.


I am not here to talk about your nation but it is you who spams me everywhere, but since u aks about your origin this is a video with historical facts including your own Georgian Chronicles, and no,Geortgian language is not even close to Armenian, as u see from the facts in the video ur nation didn't exist when Armenia was already ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBLKoaLkmdg

No, Armenians are not Nordic in general, they are moslty Alpine,Pontid and Dinarid with Armenid and Nordic minorities...

[Han Cholo]

I am not here to talk about your nation but it is you who spams me everywhere,

You're spamming with your 1950's WWII nazi propaganda and voodoo magics.



but since u aks about your origin this is a video with historical facts including your own Georgian Chronicles, and no,Geortgian language is not even close to Armenian,

Who said it was close? Georgian is a language isolate which means languages of distinct family never gained a foothold in Georgia.



as u see from the facts in the video ur nation didn't exist when Armenia was already ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBLKoaLkmdg

It isn't my nation. I'm not Georgian (or anywhere close from that area.) You're more similar to Georgians than I am.

[Nairi]

You're spamming with your 1950's WWII nazi propaganda and voodoo magics.



Who said it was close?



It isn't my nation. I'm not Georgian (or anywhere close from that area.)


U know that I know who u r...all anti-Armenian propaganda which comes from u is word by word a common Georgian-Azeri-Turkish propaganda, but u didn't notice how u showed me u were Georgian...

[Han Cholo]

U know that I know who u r...all anti-Armenian propaganda which comes from u is word by word a common Georgian-Azeri-Turkish propaganda, but u didn't notice how u showed me u were Georgian...

I don't really understand what you're trying to tell me. Your english is not so perfect for being living in England?

And what is this propaganda you speak of? Any geneticist can confirm my post.

Compare:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9Z3KYL6AmkM/TkTaXeASbgI/AAAAAAAAD6w/s4hiKdp6sB4/s1600/ADMIXTURE%2BArmenians_12.png
Armenian genetics.

Vs.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3783/scandinaviand10.png
Swedish genetics.

Again, where did the Nordic race in Armenia go? :thumbs up

NOTE: The color legend is different in each image but contains the same components, don't be fooled. Majority component in Swedes is only like 5% of component in Armenian genetics.

[Nairi]

I don't really understand what you're trying to tell me. Your english is not so perfect for being living in England?

And what is this propaganda you speak of? Any geneticist can confirm my post.

Compare:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9Z3KYL6AmkM/TkTaXeASbgI/AAAAAAAAD6w/s4hiKdp6sB4/s1600/ADMIXTURE%2BArmenians_12.png
Armenian genetics.

Vs.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3783/scandinaviand10.png
Swedish genetics.

Again, where did the Nordic race in Armenia go? :thumbs up

NOTE: The color legend is different in each image but contains the same components, don't be fooled. Majority component in Swedes is only like 5% of component in Armenian genetics.

You are trolling with the same maps of Armenian Highland,Georgian lol

Nordics didn't go anywhere, the are still in Armenia and diaspora...

The Armenian Highland (Armenian: Հայկական լեռնաշխարհ Haykakan leṙnašxarh; Russian: Армянское нагорье Armyanskoye nagor'e; also known as the Armenian Upland, Armenian plateau, simply Armenia[1]; erroneously referred to as Eastern Anatolia or Eastern Asia Minor[2])

File:Armenian Highlands.jpg

When the Treaty of Lausanne was signed in 1923, the Republic of Turkey was established. In its attempts to shroud the Armenian heritage of Turkey, the authorities of the republic began a systematic campaign to alter Armenian placenames. These attempts included the name change of the geographical expression "Armenian plateau" to "Eastern Anatolia."[3]

[Nairi]

October 2011...

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Armenian-Highland-and-Caucasus.jpg

Genomic Europeanism Armenians: Their usual genom is mostly divergent from other Asians, and more comparable with some southern Europeans, chiefly with southern Italians, Andalusians, and Rumanians. Armenians are by their genom closer to other Europeans than Greeks, Estonians, and Lithuanians.

[Han Cholo]

You are trolling with the same maps of Armenian Highland,Georgian lol

Nordics didn't go anywhere, the are still in Armenia and diaspora...

The Armenian Highland (Armenian: Հայկական լեռնաշխարհ Haykakan leṙnašxarh; Russian: Армянское нагорье Armyanskoye nagor'e; also known as the Armenian Upland, Armenian plateau, simply Armenia[1]; erroneously referred to as Eastern Anatolia or Eastern Asia Minor[2])

File:Armenian Highlands.jpg

When the Treaty of Lausanne was signed in 1923, the Republic of Turkey was established. In its attempts to shroud the Armenian heritage of Turkey, the authorities of the republic began a systematic campaign to alter Armenian placenames. These attempts included the name change of the geographical expression "Armenian plateau" to "Eastern Anatolia."[3]

Stop posting bullshit and show me a genetic map that contradicts what I said instead of the Armenian highland non-sense or your hate for Turks I don't give a fuck about.

[Han Cholo]

October 2011...

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Armenian-Highland-and-Caucasus.jpg

Genomic Europeanism Armenians: Their usual genom is mostly divergent from other Asians, and more comparable with some southern Europeans, chiefly with southern Italians, Andalusians, and Rumanians. Armenians are by their genom closer to other Europeans than Greeks, Estonians, and Lithuanians.

Show me then Armenians clustering with Rumanians, Andalusians, Estonians and Lithuanians? Shouldn't be hard :eek:

That chart only includes other Kavkazus populations.

[The Journeyman]

Here in LA Armenians and Mexicans don't get along either. :D

[Sagitta Hungarica]

Can you take this discussion on another thread? At least we have a thread for admiring female beauty, let's keep it that way.

[Nairi]

Show me then Armenians clustering with Rumanians, Andalusians, Estonians and Lithuanians? Shouldn't be hard :eek:

That chart only includes other Kavkazus populations.

Gurji ,(Muslim name for Georgians meaning Jew which coincides with Georgian Chronicles about their origin) I copy/paste them and not making up,they forgot to give explanation for Gurjis ;)

It says:

Odd Genoms Contrasting Usual Prejudices

Armenians: Their usual genom is mostly divergent from other Asians, and more comparable with some southern Europeans, chiefly with southern Italians, Andalusians, and Rumanians. Armenians are by their genom closer to other Europeans than Greeks, Estonians, and Lithuanians.



Also, it puts Armenians in types where European type is prevailing, not suprisingly Georgians are not there :D

Euro-types Prevailing

* Icelander: Eu 100% (R1b 46%, R1a 22%, I1 32%), Neu 0%
* Swedes: Eu 99% (R1b 23%, R1a 18%, I1 48%), Neu 1%
* England: Eu 98% (R1b 56%, R1a 9%, I1 30%), Neu 2%
* Polish: Eu 96% (R1b 16%, R1a 56%, I1 24%), Neu 4%
* Germans: Eu 95%, (R1b 50%, R1a 6%, I1 38%), Neu 5%
* Basques: Eu 95% (R1b 92%, R1a 6%, I1 - 0%), Neu 5%
* Norwegians: Eu 93% (R1b 29%, R1a 31%, I1 33%), Neu 7%
* Herzegovina (Croats): Eu 91% (R1b 4%, R1a 13%, I1 73%), Neu 9%
* Scottish: Eu 90% (R1b 79%, R1a 7%, I1 12%), Neu 10%
* Danes: Eu 86% (R1b 57%, R1a 6%, I1 23%), Neu 14%
* Croatians: Eu 85% (R1b 10%, R1a 29%, I1 46%), Neu 15%
* Slovenians: Eu 85% (Rib27%, R1a 31%, I1 27%), Neu 15%
* Belgians: Eu 85% (R1b 63%, R1a 4%, I1 23%), Neu 15%
* Dutchmen: Eu 85% (R1b 74%, R1a 7%, I1 4%), Neu 15%
* Hungarians: Eu 84% (R1b 13%, R1a 60%, I1 11%), Neu 16%
* Belarusses: Eu 84% (Rb1 10%, Ra1 39%, I1 34%), Neu 16%
* Catalans: Eu 84% (Rb1 79%, Ra1 5%, I1 0%), Neu 16%
* Slovakians: Eu 81% (Rb1 17%, Ra1 47%, I1 17%), Neu 19%
* Corsicans: Eu 79% (Rb1 43%, Ra1 4%, I1 32%), Neu 21%
* Portugeses: Eu 78% (Rb1 62%, Ra1 0%, I1 16%), Neu 22%
* Bohemians: Eu 76% (Rb1 19%, Ra1 38%, I1 19%), Neu 24%
* Serbia-Montenegro: Eu 76% (R1b 11%, R1a 16%, I1 49%), Neu 24%
* ! Tadjiks (Mid-Asia): Eu 74% (Rb1 4%, Ra1 68%, I1 2%), Neu 26%
* Ossetians (Caucasus): Eu 75% (Rb1 3%, Ra1 40%, I1 32%), Neu 25%
* Ukrainians: Eu 74% (Rb1 2%, Ra1 54%, I1 18%), Neu 26%
* Italians (mainland): Eu 74% (R1b 62%, R1a 4%, I1 8%), Neu 26%
* Irishmen: Eu 73% (R1b 81%, R1a 15%, I1 1%), Neu 27%
* Russians (in Europe): Eu 71% (R1b 7%, R1a 47%, I1 17%), Neu 29%
* Bulgarians: Eu 71% (R1b 17%, R1a 12%, I1 42%), Neu 29%
* ! Zazas (Dimili): Eu 70% (R1b 11%, R1a 26%, I1 33%), Neu 30%
* Frenchmen: Eu 69% (R1b 52%, R1a 0%, I1 17%), Neu 31%
* Andalusians: Eu 69% (R1b 66%, R1a 0%, I1 3%), Neu 31%
* Latvians: Eu 68% (R1b 15%, R1a 41%, I1 12%), Neu 32%
* Bosnian (Muslims): Eu 68% (R1b 1%, R1a 25%, I1 52%), Neu 32%
* Kirghyz (Mid-Asia): Eu 67% (Rb1 0%, Ra1 65%, I1 3%), Neu 33%
* Rumanians: Eu 65% (R1b 18%, R1a 20%, I1 27%), Neu 35%
* Makedonians (FYROM): Eu 65% ((R1b 10%, R1a 35%, I1 20%), Neu 35%
* Teheran (Iran): Eu 62% (R1b 8%, R1a 20%, I1 33%), Neu 38%
* ! Armenians: Eu 62% (R1b25%, R1a 6%, I1 31%), Neu 38%
* Dargini (Caucasus): Eu 62% (R1b 4%, R1a 0%, I1 58%), Neu 38%
* Greeks: Eu 59% (Rb1 17%, Ra1 28%, I1 14%), Neu 41%
* Estonians: Eu 59% (R1b 2%, R1a 37%, I1 20%), Neu 41%
* Laponians (Saami): Eu 58% (R1b 8%, R1a 8%, I1 42%), Neu 42%
* ! Kurds (in Turkey): Eu 57% (R1b 29%, R1a 12%, I1 16%), Neu 43%
* Lithuanians: Eu 54% (Rb1 5%, Ra1 34%, I1 13%), Neu 46%

Half-European: above 1/2 out-European types

* Sogdis (Yaghnobi): Eu 47% (Rb1 47%, Ra1 15%, I1 0%), Neu 53%
* Turks: Eu 47% (R1b 31%, R1a 13%, I1 3%), Neu 53%
* ! South Italians: Eu 41% (R1b 29%, R1a 4.5%, I1 2.5%, I2 5%), Neu 59%
* ! Sicilians: Eu 39.5% (R1b 30%, R1a 4.5%, I1 3%, I2 2%), Neu 60.5%
* ! Albanians: Eu 36% (R1b 10%, R1a 17%, I1 19%), Neu 64%
* Finns (Suomi): Eu 35% (R1b 2%, R1a 10%, I1 23%), Neu 65%
* ! Kosovars (Balkan): Eu 28% (R1b 21%, R1a 4%, I1 3%), Neu 72%
* ... etc. (other out-European peoples)

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Genomic_Europeanism

[Han Cholo]

Gurji ,(Muslim name for Georgians meaning Jew which coincides with Georgian Chronicles about their origin) I copy/paste them and not making up,they forgot to give explanation for Gurjis ;)

It says:

Odd Genoms Contrasting Usual Prejudices

Armenians: Their usual genom is mostly divergent from other Asians, and more comparable with some southern Europeans, chiefly with southern Italians, Andalusians, and Rumanians. Armenians are by their genom closer to other Europeans than Greeks, Estonians, and Lithuanians.



Also, it puts Armenians in types where European type is prevailing, not suprisingly Georgians are not there :D

Euro-types Prevailing

* Icelander: Eu 100% (R1b 46%, R1a 22%, I1 32%), Neu 0%
* Swedes: Eu 99% (R1b 23%, R1a 18%, I1 48%), Neu 1%
* England: Eu 98% (R1b 56%, R1a 9%, I1 30%), Neu 2%
* Polish: Eu 96% (R1b 16%, R1a 56%, I1 24%), Neu 4%
* Germans: Eu 95%, (R1b 50%, R1a 6%, I1 38%), Neu 5%
* Basques: Eu 95% (R1b 92%, R1a 6%, I1 - 0%), Neu 5%
* Norwegians: Eu 93% (R1b 29%, R1a 31%, I1 33%), Neu 7%
* Herzegovina (Croats): Eu 91% (R1b 4%, R1a 13%, I1 73%), Neu 9%
* Scottish: Eu 90% (R1b 79%, R1a 7%, I1 12%), Neu 10%
* Danes: Eu 86% (R1b 57%, R1a 6%, I1 23%), Neu 14%
* Croatians: Eu 85% (R1b 10%, R1a 29%, I1 46%), Neu 15%
* Slovenians: Eu 85% (Rib27%, R1a 31%, I1 27%), Neu 15%
* Belgians: Eu 85% (R1b 63%, R1a 4%, I1 23%), Neu 15%
* Dutchmen: Eu 85% (R1b 74%, R1a 7%, I1 4%), Neu 15%
* Hungarians: Eu 84% (R1b 13%, R1a 60%, I1 11%), Neu 16%
* Belarusses: Eu 84% (Rb1 10%, Ra1 39%, I1 34%), Neu 16%
* Catalans: Eu 84% (Rb1 79%, Ra1 5%, I1 0%), Neu 16%
* Slovakians: Eu 81% (Rb1 17%, Ra1 47%, I1 17%), Neu 19%
* Corsicans: Eu 79% (Rb1 43%, Ra1 4%, I1 32%), Neu 21%
* Portugeses: Eu 78% (Rb1 62%, Ra1 0%, I1 16%), Neu 22%
* Bohemians: Eu 76% (Rb1 19%, Ra1 38%, I1 19%), Neu 24%
* Serbia-Montenegro: Eu 76% (R1b 11%, R1a 16%, I1 49%), Neu 24%
* ! Tadjiks (Mid-Asia): Eu 74% (Rb1 4%, Ra1 68%, I1 2%), Neu 26%
* Ossetians (Caucasus): Eu 75% (Rb1 3%, Ra1 40%, I1 32%), Neu 25%
* Ukrainians: Eu 74% (Rb1 2%, Ra1 54%, I1 18%), Neu 26%
* Italians (mainland): Eu 74% (R1b 62%, R1a 4%, I1 8%), Neu 26%
* Irishmen: Eu 73% (R1b 81%, R1a 15%, I1 1%), Neu 27%
* Russians (in Europe): Eu 71% (R1b 7%, R1a 47%, I1 17%), Neu 29%
* Bulgarians: Eu 71% (R1b 17%, R1a 12%, I1 42%), Neu 29%
* ! Zazas (Dimili): Eu 70% (R1b 11%, R1a 26%, I1 33%), Neu 30%
* Frenchmen: Eu 69% (R1b 52%, R1a 0%, I1 17%), Neu 31%
* Andalusians: Eu 69% (R1b 66%, R1a 0%, I1 3%), Neu 31%
* Latvians: Eu 68% (R1b 15%, R1a 41%, I1 12%), Neu 32%
* Bosnian (Muslims): Eu 68% (R1b 1%, R1a 25%, I1 52%), Neu 32%
* Kirghyz (Mid-Asia): Eu 67% (Rb1 0%, Ra1 65%, I1 3%), Neu 33%
* Rumanians: Eu 65% (R1b 18%, R1a 20%, I1 27%), Neu 35%
* Makedonians (FYROM): Eu 65% ((R1b 10%, R1a 35%, I1 20%), Neu 35%
* Teheran (Iran): Eu 62% (R1b 8%, R1a 20%, I1 33%), Neu 38%
* ! Armenians: Eu 62% (R1b25%, R1a 6%, I1 31%), Neu 38%
* Dargini (Caucasus): Eu 62% (R1b 4%, R1a 0%, I1 58%), Neu 38%
* Greeks: Eu 59% (Rb1 17%, Ra1 28%, I1 14%), Neu 41%
* Estonians: Eu 59% (R1b 2%, R1a 37%, I1 20%), Neu 41%
* Laponians (Saami): Eu 58% (R1b 8%, R1a 8%, I1 42%), Neu 42%
* ! Kurds (in Turkey): Eu 57% (R1b 29%, R1a 12%, I1 16%), Neu 43%
* Lithuanians: Eu 54% (Rb1 5%, Ra1 34%, I1 13%), Neu 46%

Half-European: above 1/2 out-European types

* Sogdis (Yaghnobi): Eu 47% (Rb1 47%, Ra1 15%, I1 0%), Neu 53%
* Turks: Eu 47% (R1b 31%, R1a 13%, I1 3%), Neu 53%
* ! South Italians: Eu 41% (R1b 29%, R1a 4.5%, I1 2.5%, I2 5%), Neu 59%
* ! Sicilians: Eu 39.5% (R1b 30%, R1a 4.5%, I1 3%, I2 2%), Neu 60.5%
* ! Albanians: Eu 36% (R1b 10%, R1a 17%, I1 19%), Neu 64%
* Finns (Suomi): Eu 35% (R1b 2%, R1a 10%, I1 23%), Neu 65%
* ! Kosovars (Balkan): Eu 28% (R1b 21%, R1a 4%, I1 3%), Neu 72%
* ... etc. (other out-European peoples)

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Genomic_Europeanism

:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

You're not very bright, are ya?

[Nairi]

:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

You're not very bright, are ya?

Still they all have prevailing Eurotype unlike u Gurhis...still u have shown ur true face putting white Ossetians (your enemies) in not European part by ur logic...

[Han Cholo]

Still they all have prevailing Eurotype unlike u Gurhis...still u have shown ur true face putting white Ossetians (your enemies) in not European part by ur logic...

Haplogrups are not "types" or whatever you mean about that. What about the rest? Why focus only in Ossetians? Ossetians are not my enemies (Bastarnae is 1/4 Ossetian.)

[Nairi]

Haplogrups are not "types" or whatever you mean about that. What about the rest? Why focus only in Ossetians? Ossetians are not my enemies (Bastarnae is 1/4 Ossetian.)

By genotype, by anthropological types Armenians are European and I have posted lots of proof, however Georgians don't belong to European race by genotype...

U Gurjis always have that excuse of "1/4 "for any case lol

[Wanderlust]

Off-topic posts from 'Beautiful European Women' moved.

[Agrippa]

Sorry, but that's meaningless. If Armenians are Europeans by all standards, excluding language, Georgians are Europeans too.

If Georgians are no Europeans, Armenians surely aren't neither.

After all, Georgians are typologically surely not less European than Armenians and to me they are more "borderline European" than Armenians actually.

[Nairi]

Sorry, but that's meaningless. If Armenians are Europeans by all standards, excluding language, Georgians are Europeans too.

If Georgians are no Europeans, Armenians surely aren't neither.

After all, Georgians are typologically surely not less European than Armenians and to me they are more "borderline European" than Armenians actually.

Skirmish between Armenians and Georgians is the most stupid thing I have ever engaged in....all I am doing here is presenting Armenians, isn't it fair to show sides which nobody ever bothered to show? Europeans want to judge about others base on one sides information? We don't use fake accounts to attak Georgians or anyone else.

But what did u mean excluding language? Armenian language is Indo-European, and as I have mentioned before considered the language out of which derived other I-E languages.

[Eva]

Sorry, but that's meaningless. If Armenians are Europeans by all standards, excluding language, Georgians are Europeans too.

If Georgians are no Europeans, Armenians surely aren't neither.

After all, Georgians are typologically surely not less European than Armenians and to me they are more "borderline European" than Armenians actually.

Actually, the thing is not who is European, the thing is the true identity and ancestry of oneself, and whatever it is called, no one can take it away from that person. If hidden georgians and their current azeri friends are instilling anti-armenianism here and everywhere in the net, saying obvious lies and distorting facts, of course I will interfere.

[Mordid]

Armenians =/= European

[Nairi]

Armenians =/= European

Can we post on the topic about ourselves without Georgians chipping in, pls?!

[Mordid]

We don't use fake accounts to attak Georgians or anyone else.
Nairi = fake naharina's account. It is frustrate to using double account at the same time, don't you think?

[Mordid]

Can we post on the topic about ourselves without Georgians chipping in, pls?!
No, I am actually enjoy it.

[Zephyr]

By genotype, by anthropological types Armenians are European and I have posted lots of proof, however Georgians don't belong to European race by genotype...

U Gurjis always have that excuse of "1/4 "for any case lol

Amaterasu/Cato/Pallamedes, it's no longer funny.

[Eva]

Can we post on the topic about ourselves without Georgians chipping in, pls?!

he was considered to be a Pole, as far as I know!

[Eva]

Nairi = fake naharina's account. It is frustrate to using double account at the same time, don't you think?

lol

[Nairi]

Nairi = fake naharina's account. It is frustrate to using double account at the same time, don't you think?

It is not funny...

[Nairi]

No, I am actually enjoy it.

I have reported you since you are provoking fights...

[Nairi]

By Luigi Villari,Italian hisotrian who witnessed genocide of Armenians in Baklu Province of Russian Empire by the nation which in 1923 got namedd "Azerbaijan" but beore was called Tartars. 1905...current Azerbaijan,capital city Baku.

“Numbers of isolated Armenians were caught by the Tartars while trying to escape and shot or cut to pieces. Some were induced to leave their hiding places by promises of safety, and then brutally murdered. At the

Melikoff works several Armenians who had taken refuge in a house were burnt to death with kerosene pumped in by the Tartars. …But amid these deeds of savage cruelty there shine also deeds of magnificent heroism. The way in which some Armenians brought women and children to places of safety or got water and provisions for the besieged under a heavy fire was beyond all praise. …

[Mordid]

http://redriverpak.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/oh-no.jpg

[Ushtari]

can someone post pisc of hawt armenian chikz, Dis is becoming boring

[Han Cholo]

Nairi can't follow a conversation. Debate style is completely non-sequitur. Once her bullshit is squashed she goes ranting on some vague obscure biblical/ancient historian/voodo nazi magic bullshit only to be squashed again and proceed with some new non-sense or a rehashed one.

[Nairi]

De Morgan's praise of Cilician state "Whatever it may be, says de Morgan, "the Cilician state, founded by men from far off in the East and Europeanized through its contact with the Crusaders, has left a beautiful page in the grand epic of the Middle Ages. Despite troubles and wars, in the midst of the greatest dangers, the Armenians of Cilicia devoted themselves to literature and arts, built churches, monasteries, castles and fortresses and flourished in commerce. This principality, even in the midst of all the horrors of war, displayed a surprising vitality, by comparison with the timidity with which most other peoples of the Near East succumbed to the brute force of foreign conquerors. The heroic resistance which a handful of brave Armenians offered for three centuries, should command our recognition and admiration."

[Ushtari]

Armenians =/= Human

[Han Cholo]

can someone post pisc of hawt armenian chikz, Dis is becoming boring

http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/storygallery/2007-07/30939075.jpg

Have fun.

[Nairi]

Apparantly the only reason Georgians joined this forum is slander Armenians off to try to show themselves from "better side"...

[Boudica]

Did u grow up in the streets without parents? Mind ur language...


Now that's not very nice..I think that growing up on the streets without parents is something which is very commonly found in your country that is apparently the cradle of civilization :confused: and full of Nordics.. :thumbs up

http://img.arka.am/photo/large/929.jpg

Just look at your fellow "Nordics" at the bottom of this picture, sailing majestically out to sea in their historically renowned Longship, only to pride Odin in another successful conquest.

[Mordid]

Apparantly the only reason Georgians joined this forum is slander Armenians off to try to show themselves from "better side"...
This comment prove us how utterly idiot and Armenigger you are.

[Nairi]

Now that's not very nice..I think that growing up on the streets without parents is something which is very commonly found in your country that is apparently the cradle of civilization :confused: and full of Nordics.. :thumbs up

http://img.arka.am/photo/large/929.jpg
Just look at your fellow "Nordics" at the bottom of this picture sailing majestically out to sea in their historically renowned Longship, only to pride Odin in another successful conquest.

My Goodness, you are the smartest person I have seen today, u have outbeat even Georgians,u googled for Armenia and posted worse pic u have found which turned out to be a district called Armenia in Colombia!!! :D:D:D


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia,_Quind%C3%ADo

[Treffie]

Can we post on the topic about ourselves without Georgians chipping in, pls?!

I don't think that there are any Georgians on this forum. :confused:

Besides, if there were, they would be entitled to `chip in` any time they like.

[Han Cholo]

Nordic race in Armenia:

http://www.azad-hye.net/media/v1/volunteers-in-rural-armenia.jpg

http://www.reporter.am/images/StandardImage/DP-Sarine-Pampalian-300.jpg

http://withfriendship.com/images/g/30165/for-the-armenian-genocide.jpg

http://literaturensviat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/filip_kabakian.jpg

http://www.ian.cc/notas/upload/Rostom1.jpg

http://www.168.am/images/2006/05/51-abraham.jpg

http://www.armtown.com/img/photo/trt_en_20110621_150968.jpg

Armenian boxer, but looks more Georgian than Armenian.
http://www.armenianmusiccenter.com/pic/news/big/1222.jpg

http://www.armenios.net/wp-content/themes/TheStyle/timthumb.php?src=http://www.armenios.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/gagikc.jpg&h=186&w=186&zc=1&q=90

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4dMRS9kjv0I/TU8ITQbPjEI/AAAAAAAABrc/TmDsf8TE5ME/s1600/24.JPG

[Nairi]

I don't think that there are any Georgians on this forum. :confused:

Besides, if there were, they would be entitled to `chip in` any time they like.

There are some with fake accounts, so the rules in this forum allow provocative comments and insults? Don't u thin we have the right to present our side??

[Eva]

My Goodness, you are the smartest person I have seen today, u have outbeat even Georgians,u googled for Armenia and posted worse pic u have found which turned out to be a district called Armenia in Colombia!!! :D:D:D


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia,_Quind%C3%ADo

loooooool.... I was writing about King Tut's DNA, but now I see what can come out of it.

[Mordid]

Nordic race in Armenia:

http://www.azad-hye.net/media/v1/volunteers-in-rural-armenia.jpg

http://www.reporter.am/images/StandardImage/DP-Sarine-Pampalian-300.jpg

http://withfriendship.com/images/g/30165/for-the-armenian-genocide.jpg

http://literaturensviat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/filip_kabakian.jpg

http://www.ian.cc/notas/upload/Rostom1.jpg

http://www.168.am/images/2006/05/51-abraham.jpg

http://www.armtown.com/img/photo/trt_en_20110621_150968.jpg

Armenian boxer, but looks more Georgian than Armenian.
http://www.armenianmusiccenter.com/pic/news/big/1222.jpg
Fine specimen.

[Boudica]

My Goodness, you are the smartest person I have seen today, u have outbeat even Georgians,u googled for Armenia and posted worse pic u have found which turned out to be a district called Armenia in Colombia!!! :D:D:D

The place is just called Armenia in the memory of genocide survivors...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia,_Quind%C3%ADo

:clap2: The smartest person you have seen today?! Coming from YOU that is an honor.. While I appreciate your compliments, sadly you are wrong.. The picture is from this site-link (http://www.arka.am/rus/tourism/) which of course (as you should know) is a very popular news agency based out of Armenia, the land of noble Nordics. :wink

[Nairi]

:clap2: The smartest person you have seen today?! Coming from YOU that is an honor.. While I appreciate your compliments, sadly you are wrong.. The picture is from this site-link (http://www.arka.am/rus/tourism/) which of course (as you should know) is a very popular news agency based out of Armenia, the land of noble Nordics. :wink

This is ur link, there is no picture like that, it is obviously not Armenia...
U can ask Georgians here, even they can confirm...

http://www.arka.am/rus/tourism/

[Treffie]

There are some with fake accounts, so the rules in this forum allow provocative comments and insults? Don't u thin we have the right to present our side??

If there's a suspicion of account fakery, it's none of your business. It's up to the mod team to investigate and to take action if necessary.

Don't be so ethnotetchy :)

[Boudica]

This is ur link, there is no picture like that, it is obviously not Armenia...
U can ask Georgians here, even they can confirm...

http://www.arka.am/rus/tourism/

Let me make this easy for you, k?
This is the photo's URL:
http://img.arka.am/photo/large/929.jpg
(notice how part of the link is ARKA.AM)
this is the link to the actual website, which you kindly posted above:
http://www.arka.am

Do you see how both contain the lettering, "ARKA.AM"? Yes.. That is because they are from the same site...... :thumbs up

[Nairi]

http://www.homenetmen.com/golf4.jpg


http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/Logh4.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/Logh2.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/golf6.jpg

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/DetroitSoccer.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/PhiladelphiaSoccer.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/BostonB-Ball.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/BostonB-BallVeteransTeam.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/Gamavorkouyrer.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/BostonMedgitB-Ball.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/ChicagoJuniorB-Ball.JPG

[Nairi]

Let me make this easy for you, k?
This is the photo's URL:
http://img.arka.am/photo/large/929.jpg
(notice how part of the link is ARKA.AM)
this is the link to the actual website, which you kindly posted above:
http://www.arka.am

Do you see how both contain the lettering, "ARKA.AM"? Yes.. That is because they are from the same site...... :thumbs up

It is becoming boring, show me the proper link, the article, if a picture is posted in Armenian website it doesn't mean it is necesserily about Armenia lol

The pic looks like pretty Thailand to me...

[Nairi]

If there's a suspicion of account fakery, it's none of your business. It's up to the mod team to investigate and to take action if necessary.

Don't be so ethnotetchy :)

Are u mod?
If a fake account is sladerring my country, nation,culture, religion off and makes personal insults and I have heard that propaganda and seen that styke of behaviour it becomes my problem but I would happily share it with u :)

[Treffie]

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/BostonB-BallVeteransTeam.JPG



Nice hat for the guy in the back row.

[Nairi]

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/DetroitB-Ball.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/DetroitVeteranB-Ballteam.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/DSC_0081%5B1%5D.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/DSC_0303%5B1%5D.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/MonterialB-Ball.JPG

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/PhiladelphiaPeeweeB-BallTeam.JPG

http://agbublog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/girls-with-cup.jpg

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000qha64

[Treffie]

If a fake account is sladerring my country, nation,culture, religion off and makes personal insults and I have heard that propaganda and seen that styke of behaviour it becomes my problem but I would happily share it with u :)

There are no fake accounts in this thread. If you mean Decimator, he's Mexican, not Georgian :confused: You replied to Decimator


No, you are simply a troll, Georgian-Azeri-Turkish, one of them...

And don't pollute this thread, you read my question but ran here to slander us now here off, summon up some guts and answer my direct question there...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=28980&page=16

P.S.
I urge moderators to pay attention to some trolls here...

I didn't see any `slander` in Decimator's post. In fact, I tend to agree with him that people with R1b are not necessarily European. R1b is said to have originated in Anatolia, does that mean that Turks are European too?

[Boudica]

It is becoming boring, show me the proper link, the article, if a picture is posted in Armenian website it doesn't mean it is necesserily about Armenia lol

The pic looks like pretty Thailand to me...

"It" is becoming boring? I SHOWED YOU "THE PROPER LINK", LOL. My god.. You are in such denial it's sad, here bud, I took a thing called a screen shot.
http://oi42.tinypic.com/50s9qt.jpg

I'm through with you, now I'm just starting to feel bad for you..

[Nairi]

"It" is becoming boring? I SHOWED YOU "THE PROPER LINK", LOL. My god.. You are in such denial it's sad, here bud, I took a thing called a screen shot.
http://oi42.tinypic.com/50s9qt.jpg

I'm through with you, now I'm just starting to feel bad for you..

It is Kyrgyzstan, u shoul ffeel very bad about urself since u proved to everyone how ill mannered and educated u r...

besides, I have never seen that website before, I should pass it on to our bloggers to check IP, article seems another Azeri propaganda, there r many fake websites opened by them, it is a state propaganda...

anyway,now u know how Kyrgystan looks... lol

[Nairi]

There are no fake accounts in this thread. If you mean Decimator, he's Mexican, not Georgian :confused: You replied to Decimator



I didn't see any `slander` in Decimator's post. In fact, I tend to agree with him that people with R1b are not necessarily European. R1b is said to have originated in Anatolia, does that mean that Turks are European too?

R1b originated not in Anatolia but in Armenian Hihgland, and yes, apparantly indigeneous people of so called "Anatolia" (Armenians) are European...


File:Armenian Highlands.jpg

When the Treaty of Lausanne was signed in 1923, the Republic of Turkey was established. In its attempts to shroud the Armenian heritage of Turkey, the authorities of the republic began a systematic campaign to alter Armenian placenames. These attempts included the name change of the geographical expression "Armenian plateau" to "Eastern Anatolia."[3]

The Armenian Highland (Armenian: Հայկական լեռնաշխարհ Haykakan leṙnašxarh; Russian: Армянское нагорье Armyanskoye nagor'e; also known as the Armenian Upland, Armenian plateau, simply Armenia[1]; erroneously referred to as Eastern Anatolia or Eastern Asia Minor[2])

[Boudica]

http://www.homenetmen.com/photo/DetroitB-Ball.JPG

LOL.. Is 'DETROIT' (what it says on their shirts) a new city in Armenia? O'h.. THAT'S right.. It's a city in AMERICA, representing what the link shows, that they are in AMERICA, in the CITY OF DETROIT. :rolleyes2:

[Raskolnikov]

"It" is becoming boring? I SHOWED YOU "THE PROPER LINK", LOL. My god.. You are in such denial it's sad, here bud, I took a thing called a screen shot.
http://oi42.tinypic.com/50s9qt.jpg

I'm through with you, now I'm just starting to feel bad for you..

http://img.arka.am/photo/large/929.jpg

Those people look like dark Mongolids. They're most certainly Kyrgyzstani or even a stock photo from somewhere else.

[Nairi]

LOL.. Is 'DETROIT' (what it says on their shirts) a new city in Armenia? O'h.. THAT'S right.. It's a city in AMERICA, representing what the link shows, that they are in AMERICA, in the CITY OF DETROIT. :rolleyes2:

Is this level of this froum??? Is everyone this uneducated???

These are Armenians from Diaspora, it is a sport compatition between Armenians, now u know that Armenians look American lol

Should Armeians always have lags with them not to be confused let's say with Irish for being ginger heads? lol

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/00110dsh/s640x480

[Nairi]

and since u r so good at checking links why don't u check the link name "Homenetmen"
and compare with their logo with Armenain letters under?


http://www.homenetmen.com/newheader.jpg

[Nairi]

WHAT?! That site is WELL KNOWN IN ARMENIA, Lol.. Ok bud... It's a news agency founded in Armenia, reporting Armenian news/issues, but just because Kyrgyzstan is mentioned one time in the article, this picture MUST be in Kyrgyzstan, but wait no! It is "Azeri propaganda"!.... Lol, poor thing... You are right bud :)! I bow to your superior Nordic intelligence :)


If u have no idea how Armenians look and post instead some Thailand/Kyrgystan pic how could u know if it is real or fake site? I am reading news every ay and we don't have that site ...but anyway pic is not from Armenia, we don't have such regions, or such ppl...

[Lithium]

I thought that I have seen it all on TA. But an ARMENIAN Nordicist.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5rsweXMUAoY/TcJJ5SD2MZI/AAAAAAAAAzA/akdbyE1TSlw/s1600/1.jpg

[Boudica]

How come a hot americunt like you knows/cares so much about teh world outside America?

I don't usually care about such places like Armenia, but since some retard from this cesspool is claiming that his people are Nordics along with a bunch of other ridiculous garbage, I decided to use google, I found out everything there is to know about Armenia in about 5 seconds, there wasn't much to read if you know what I mean.

[Nairi]

Oops! Sorry :) all I saw was DETROIT written on their shirts :D, I didn't decide to go to your piece of shit Armenian site to see how your fucking peasant people have crawled their way to the U.S. :). Sorry bud :). As for your "Irish ginger head" comment, I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean.. Your English is terrible, stick to your own 'language', Sand negro Armenia boy :)

bye-bye now.. this has been fun :)

Now I am a boy,very nice...:)

So, this is a normal attitude on this site? This is how ur girl talk in real and on forums? No wonder Europe/America is going down...
I was right to assume u grew up in the streets without parents...

The sad part is u really think u r cool and u will always have ppl like urself around u and waste ur life...for nothing...but yes, that is ur life...

[Treffie]

R1b originated not in Anatolia but in Armenian Hihgland, and yes, apparantly indigeneous people of so called "Anatolia" (Armenians) are European...


According to who? You're a joke.



Boudica

WHAT?! That site is WELL KNOWN IN ARMENIA,

You're Armenian too?

[Lithium]

Now I am a boy,very nice...:)

So, this is a normal attitude on this site? This is how ur girl talk in real and on forums? No wonder Europe/America is going down...
I was right to assume u grew up in the streets without parents...

The sad part is u really think u r cool and u will always have ppl like urself around u and waste ur life...for nothing...but yes, that is ur life...
If you are so proud and satisfied to be Armenian, get your ass out of England and go back to Asia where your home is.

[Nairi]

According to who? You're a joke.




You're Armenian too?

According to historical facts changed by Turkish invaders...

It seems u have missed it lol

The Armenian Highland (Armenian: Հայկական լեռնաշխարհ Haykakan leṙnašxarh; Russian: Армянское нагорье Armyanskoye nagor'e; also known as the Armenian Upland, Armenian plateau, simply Armenia[1]; erroneously referred to as Eastern Anatolia or Eastern Asia Minor[2])

File:Armenian Highlands.jpg

When the Treaty of Lausanne was signed in 1923, the Republic of Turkey was established. In its attempts to shroud the Armenian heritage of Turkey, the authorities of the republic began a systematic campaign to alter Armenian placenames. These attempts included the name change of the geographical expression "Armenian plateau" to "Eastern Anatolia."[3]

[Treffie]

If you are so proud and satisfied to be Armenian, get your ass out of England and go back to Asia where your home is.

She's not in England or Armenia :lightbul:

[Nairi]

You are right, you aren't a boy, nor are you a girl, you aren't human.. How could you be either? As to the rest of your post- :lol00002: k, seriously now. I'm done. :)

Ppl like u always have big mouth online but behave differently in real...:)

[Boudica]

She's not in England or Armenia :lightbul:

Is it in... something that starts with a C or an R by chance? :D

[Treffie]

According to historical facts changed by Turkish invaders...

It seems u have missed it lol

The Armenian Highland (Armenian: Հայկական լեռնաշխարհ Haykakan leṙnašxarh; Russian: Армянское нагорье Armyanskoye nagor'e; also known as the Armenian Upland, Armenian plateau, simply Armenia[1]; erroneously referred to as Eastern Anatolia or Eastern Asia Minor[2])

File:Armenian Highlands.jpg

When the Treaty of Lausanne was signed in 1923, the Republic of Turkey was established. In its attempts to shroud the Armenian heritage of Turkey, the authorities of the republic began a systematic campaign to alter Armenian placenames. These attempts included the name change of the geographical expression "Armenian plateau" to "Eastern Anatolia."[3]

Where does it say that Armenia is in Europe or that Armenians are European? :confused:

[Lithium]

She's not in England or Armenia :lightbul:
Is she in a spaceship then? :D

[Nairi]

Where does it say that Armenia is in Europe or that Armenians are European? :confused:

The post is about Armenian Highland which is the place where R1b originated.

[Boudica]

Where does it say that Armenia is in Europe or that Armenians are European? :confused:
We can't see where.. For we can not see or hear the superior Armenian Nordic voices that it hears in it's head. :cool:

[Treffie]

The post is about Armenian Highland which is the place where R1b originated.

So why did you say that Armenians are European?

[Boudica]

loooooool.... I was writing about King Tut's DNA, but now I see what can come out of it.

Aww you have two accounts :) now that is commitment. :thumbs up

[Eva]

I don't usually care about such places like Armenia, but since some retard from this cesspool is claiming that his people are Nordics along with a bunch of other ridiculous garbage, I decided to use google, I found out everything there is to know about Armenia in about 5 seconds, there wasn't much to read if you know what I mean.

Ay ay ay just in 5 seconds and now you know everything.

You are an EXPERT now, you should get a Masters Degree! Armenologist i'd rather say.

If one thinks he can learn everything about the history of the country in five seconds, the utter ignorance and limited mind of the person does not surprise me at all!
And are you considered ok in US, or perhaps you are really considered an expert there because you at least read for 5 seconds in your life!

By the way, don't you have a headache? 5 seconds could even ruin the molecules of your brain! Isn't it too much for one day?

I advise you 1 second per day :wink

[Nairi]

So why did you say that Armenians are European?

It seems we r talking abt different things now...

I have posted in otherthreads lots of proofs of Armenians being part of bigger European family through centuries. U can follow them if u r interested but this doesn't seem a place where ppl are geniuely interested and want to enrigh their knowledge...In fact many ppl are reading even if they don't post and iff they are interested they can search more...:)

Anyway, been nice to meet u all...cheers...:)

[Boudica]

Come on everyone, there's "lots of proofs" in other threads, lets listen to her! Enrich yourself with zee knowledge of the superior Nordic Armenians.

[Nairi]

Ay ay ay just in 5 seconds and now you know everything.

You are an EXPERT now, you should get a Masters Degree! Armenologist i'd rather say.

If one thinks he can learn everything about the history of the country in five seconds, the utter ignorance and limited mind of the person does not surprise me at all!
And are you considered ok in US, or perhaps you are really considered an expert there because you at least read for 5 seconds in your life!

By the way, don't you have a headache? 5 seconds could even ruin the molecules of your brain! Isn't it too much for one day?

I advise you 1 second per day :wink

I was interested in this forum, registered around two years ago, met some lovely people, but now things are different, I guess it is a waste of time, they live in their world, maybe we should not bother them :)

[Treffie]

It seems we r talking abt different things now...

I have posted in otherthreads lots of proofs of Armenians being part of bigger European family through centuries. U can follow them if u r interested but this doesn't seem a place where ppl are geniuely interested and want to enrigh their knowledge...In fact many ppl are reading even if they don't post and iff they are interested they can search more...:)

Anyway, been nice to meet u all...cheers...:)

Sincerely, Armenia is a fascinating place and it's one of the places I aim to visit, so I do not agree with what Boudica said;


I don't usually care about such places like Armenia, but since some retard from this cesspool, I decided to use google, I found out everything there is to know about Armenia in about 5 seconds, there wasn't much to read if you know what I mean.

This strikes me as ignorance/stupidity, but then again, teh interwebz is full of them.

[The Journeyman]

Personal attacks are completely unnecessary. The girl seems genuinely interested in serious discussion.

[Nairi]

Sincerely, Armenia is a fascinating place and it's one of the places I aim to visit, so I do not agree with what Boudica said;



This strikes me as ignorance/stupidity, but then again, teh interwebz is full of them.

You are more than welcome even if u know I am not in Armenia but u do know
Naharina is...:)

Stay strong in your countries and know, we will always watch your backs there in Armenia, like we have always done...

The Passing of the Great Race

By Madison Grant

The Armenians, have resisted stoutly the pressure of Islam to force them away from their ancient Christian faith. This people really represents the last outpost of Europe toward the Mohammedan East and constitutes the best remaining medium through which Western ideals and culture can be introduced into Asia.

[Boudica]

Yeah, tref. Forgive me for striking you as ignorant/stupid for making a comment which wasn't really meant to be serious. I mean, there is an Armenian Nordicist in the thread, I thought all bets were off when it comes to stupidity?

[Eva]

Come on everyone, there's "lots of proofs" in other threads, lets listen to her! Enrich yourself with zee knowledge of the superior Nordic Armenians.

And why does it bother you so much that Armenians have Nordics, and all of the Caucasoid sub races in general!

Those are Armenians and Their sub-races or perhaps they should undergo plastical surgery and change their appearance, in order to look like the picture of mongoloids you wanted to pass for Armenians? lol

I'll ask people around though, tell them that an Expert in Armenology demands a crucial change in their appearance to cover all of his ignorance!

[Boudica]

I'll ask people around though, tell them that an Expert in Armenology demands a crucial change in their appearance to cover all of his ignorance!

Thank you :) I'll be looking forward to it.

[Nairi]

Yeah, tref. Forgive me for striking you as ignorant/stupid for making a comment which wasn't really meant to be serious. I mean, there is an Armenian Nordicist in the thread, I thought all bets were off when it comes to stupidity?

There is no Armenian Nordicist here. All I did is showed that we have all racial types starting from Armenids and finishing with Nordics. Many people don't know that and make stereotypes but it should not give u wrong impression as if I put Nordic Armenians above Armenid ones. No way.In our region my nation exists due to continuous fight of all Armenians, we are one nation, one culture.

[Eva]

Thank you :) I'll be looking forward to it.

You're welcome... I wish you inexhaustible patience!

[Treffie]

You are more than welcome even if u know I am not in Armenia but u do know
Naharina is...:)

Stay strong in your countries and know, we will always watch your backs there in Armenia, like we have always done...

The Passing of the Great Race

By Madison Grant

The Armenians, have resisted stoutly the pressure of Islam to force them away from their ancient Christian faith. This people really represents the last outpost of Europe toward the Mohammedan East and constitutes the best remaining medium through which Western ideals and culture can be introduced into Asia.

According to my sources, Naharina isn't in Armenia either :D

She could be using a proxy though.

[Nairi]

According to my sources, Naharina isn't in Armenia either :D

She could be using a proxy though.

Proxy? Clever girl she is,not like myself! When I registered here two years ago I was in England and never bothered to change location. How would I know u will split on me :D She is indeed in Armenia, Yerevan- capital city of Armenia :)

[Eva]

Proxy? Clever girl she is,not like myself! When I registered here two years ago I was in England and never bothered to change location. How would I know u will split on me :D She is indeed in Armenia, Yerevan- capital city of Armenia :)

My location is changeable though

[Boudica]

Proxy? Clever girl she is,not like myself! When I registered here two years ago I was in England and never bothered to change location. How would I know u will split on me :D She is indeed in Armenia, Yerevan- capital city of Armenia :)

It's a shame you haven't been more active. I have a feeling you would have really liked a girl that used to come on the site she was Chechen.....

[Nairi]

It's a shame you haven't been more active. I have a feeling you would have really liked a girl that used to come on the site she was Chechen.....

Who knows maybe if I stay she will be back as well :)

[Boudica]

Who knows maybe if I stay she will be back as well :)

That would be great.

[The Journeyman]

See, unlike that Chechen bitch, Nairi shows no disrespect to members here by praising and posting pictures of Chechen "freedom fighter" terrorists.

[Nairi]

That would be great.


Thank u:) (for the last sentense, there, underneath :D)

[Nairi]

See, unlike that Chechen bitch, Nairi shows no disrespect to members here by praising and posting pictures of Chechen "freedom fighter" terrorists.

Did u know that Chechen Mujahediins fought on Azeri side for Jihad against Armenia just 17 years ago when 8 million Azerbaijan attacked 100.000 Artsakh (Karabakh)...All in all they had 3.500 Mujaheddins from various countries who declared Jihad on us.

Artsakh is a small land which devided Turkey from Azerbaijan and it is crucial for their Turan idea- uniting Tircic word- world for Turks and they want to take it.
After uniting (Heaven Forbid) they are going to unite Turcic nations of Russia, dividing Russia, then Central Asian Turcic, they even lay eyed on some nations in Europe making propaganda as if they are of the same origin.
And the world does know what second Ottoman Empire might be...

[Nairi]

I want to thank The Journeyman and moderator Treffie for stepping in and helping the situation :) :thumb001:

Boudica, no hard feelings, been nice talking :)

See u all soon :)

[The Journeyman]

The Armenian nation is as old as history, those Turks are late comer immigrants that call themselves indigenous. Makes sense- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albanians :D

[Olika]

http://cs9643.vkontakte.ru/u41957927/-6/y_a285f47d.jpg
http://cs10612.vkontakte.ru/u77412183/-6/z_ffa85084.jpg
http://cs10137.vkontakte.ru/u21464347/-6/z_2332d2b5.jpg
http://cs5728.vkontakte.ru/u9722108/-6/y_7a0fb492.jpg
http://cs4733.vkontakte.ru/u16921983/-6/z_6a5e5faf.jpg
http://cs9398.vkontakte.ru/u54442304/-6/z_c102dfad.jpg
http://cs5540.vkontakte.ru/u3303711/93940425/z_960ba8e9.jpg
http://cs5876.vkontakte.ru/u95837950/142171994/y_79984bc0.jpg
http://cs11373.vkontakte.ru/u99108003/-6/z_7f79f3e5.jpg
http://cs4381.vkontakte.ru/u90806509/-6/z_71668dc6.jpg
http://cs5754.vkontakte.ru/u3917197/-6/x_e062d874.jpg
http://cs1436.vkontakte.ru/u13555100/36138259/x_769bb810.jpg

[Olika]

http://musicity.do.am/_sf/0/21.jpg
http://armsat.do.am/STAR/evrivas396.jpg
http://s007.radikal.ru/i302/1106/88/1a679dd07013.jpg
http://bigcatalogphotos.ru/photos/people-photos/foto-devushek/po-nacionaljnosti-photos/devushki-armianskie-photos/photo-013-devushki-armianskie.jpg
http://shax-dag.ru/fotos/shaxdag_687_206957.jpg

[Gunslinger]

http://shax-dag.ru/fotos/shaxdag_687_206957.jpg


looks like half-negro. I doubt it though

[Incal]

I love Armenian women.

[Han Cholo]

See, unlike that Chechen bitch, Nairi shows no disrespect to members here by praising and posting pictures of Chechen "freedom fighter" terrorists.

I prefer someone posted "freedom fighter terrorist" than someone repeating ad-nauseam Armenians are the Nordic race, proto-Europeans, cradle of Civilization, old outdated erroneous y-dna charts and other non-sense shit non-stop.

Stop thinking with your dick. At least North Caucasian "freedom fighters" do slightly look more Nordic than Armenians.

http://www.cecenonline.com/haber_image/01.gif
An Armenian looking like this is unthinkable.

[morski]

http://www.monitor.bg/img/?id=163502&sz=0&cut=yes
Vili Kazasyan - musician
http://i.actualno.com/club.bg/files/actualno_old/2005/10/06/fbb15d9ef01789.jpg
Armen Nazaryan - wrestler
http://mamita-bg.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hilda.jpg
Hilda Kazasyan - jazz singer
http://www.speshno.info/image.php?store=tvnews&id=1234
Magyrdich Halvadzhiyan - TV producer
http://literaturensviat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/agop_melkonyan1-227x300.jpg
Agop Melkonyan - sci-fi writer
http://www.posredniknews.com/site/images/stories/2011/021-030/025/agasyan.jpg
Haygashot Agassyan - composer
http://images.ibox.bg/2009/12/14/krikor%20/256x200.jpg
Krikor Azaryan - director
http://i.actualno.com/club.bg/files/2008/04/25/c980a5599f.jpg
Filip Kirkorov - singer
http://odimusic.net/download/uploads/posts/2008-07/1216617186_sylvie_vartan-non_je_ne_suis_plus_la.jpg
Silvie Vartan - singer
http://50.bnt.bg/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/hacho_boiadjiev1.jpg
Hacho Boyadzhiev - director, former director of Bulgarian National Television
http://www.monitor.bg/img/?id=87164&sz=0&cut=yes
Nurair Nurikyan - weight-lifter
http://www.sbj-bg.eu/images/stories/Kevork_Kevorkian5.bmp
Kevork Kevorkyan - TV journalist, former host of Vsyaka Nedelya show on BNT
http://picbg.net/u/45886/42936/519571.jpg
Garegin Nzhdeh
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/AndranikOzanian.jpg
Andranik Ozanian

[morski]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Wiki_Alice_P6.jpg
Alice Panikian - Bulgarian-born Canadian model who was crowned Miss Universe Canada
http://www.trud.bg/Images/Cache/Image_643107_3.jpg
Eduard Eranossyan - football coach
http://www.barometar.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Astor.jpg
Antranik Arabadzhiyan aka Astor - illusionist
http://www.dnevnik.bg/shimg/zx450y250_340792.jpg
Yuliya Berberyan - tennis choach
http://paper.standartnews.com/images/articles/orig_145543_bg.jpg
Levon Hamparcumyan - bankster
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/12/11/arts/11artinian_184.jpg
Artin Artinian - literature scholar

[Nairi]

Thank u everyone for your contribution! :)

Armenian Dancers in national costumes ...I am sure u know if u click on the above of pic it will open bigger version of the pic...


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2257/2277887916_e22bb72946_b.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/1083216511123aaa.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/8SC_4148_01-1.jpg


http://ianyanmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dsc_5410_nr2.jpg

http://ianyanmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dsc_5212_nr1.jpg

http://agbublog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/2008-03-30-antranig-56.jpg?w=500&h=360

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/8SC_4148_01-1.jpg

http://antranig.org/images2/lincoln_group.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7927/26280997.jpg

http://www.armeniansny.org/IMG_1550.jpg

http://www.bert.am/picture/about_arm_folk_dance_main.jpg

http://p.playme.com/cspv/16-83-91-10-00-AudioPreview-Cover-JPEG256x256/hachig-kazarian-ensemble/parov-yegar-siroon-yar.jpg

[Nairi]

I prefer someone posted "freedom fighter terrorist" than someone repeating ad-nauseam Armenians are the Nordic race, proto-Europeans, cradle of Civilization, old outdated erroneous y-dna charts and other non-sense shit non-stop.

Stop thinking with your dick. At least North Caucasian "freedom fighters" do slightly look more Nordic than Armenians.

http://www.cecenonline.com/haber_image/01.gif
An Armenian looking like this is unthinkable.


Well, the Armenians here are much lighter, but most importnantly they don't take kids as a hostage and kill them like Chechens did to Christian Ossetians in Beslan...
Also, they are not freeodm fighters, they are simply Jihadists which they proved joining Turcic Azeris against Armenians, they had nothing to o in our lands aside from killing indigeneous ppl for Jihad...but they got kicked out of our lands, Basaev ran away later on sayin if he had 500 guys like our Dashnak fighter Jiro he would have conquered Russia...

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/8SC_4148_01-1.jpg

[Han Cholo]

Well, the Armenians here are much lighter, but most importnantly they don't take kids as a hostage and kill them like Chechens did to Christian Ossetians in Beslan...

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/8SC_4148_01-1.jpg

That's an overexposed picture.

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/wyf-gL5OW1k/0.jpg
Many Armenians look somehow like the first guy but not like the other one.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/796/img0221.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9800/04012006001.jpg
Second guy here would be unthinkable in Armenia (or South Caucasus in general)

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1192/519i.gif
Or these.

[Nairi]

Second guy here would be unthinkable in Armenia (or South Caucasus in general)



http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/431031589574.jpg

[Han Cholo]

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/431031589574.jpg

Photoshopped/overexposed.

[Nairi]

Photoshopped/overexposed.
Ur claims are rediculous...
U just can't give up on ur continuous anti-Armenain propaganda...

And the last thing we need to have Chechen pics in Armenia thread, Chechens-Georgians,Azeris-Turks make friendship, it is clearly seen on all forums , on all YouTube accounts and among bloggers...

[Nairi]

Breaking another stereotype about Armenians here :)

40% of Armenians have light eyes...But yes, anyone is free to think we photoshop or put linces on the kids' eyes, so we can take pics an post here lol

Pedro Nercessian is a famous soap movie actor in Brazil

http://www.girls.am/wp-content/uploads/ATgAAAA9kWgwYoEqo3I4FwB07I5oBx_K32BhyKGLpdpjP-6muZBzjqEtlO648oYE4YL_DASFMmKzqh_nCf9o-59XHrGoAJtU9VD65BsXa-lYirpkfnlPzD8B3JmNFQ.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/63/183892521_d48b6839c3.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/58980_432821561098_670836098_5259298_7388867_n.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/38021_143158399043019_139032012788991_375965_44902 76_n.jpg

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http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2800_73515661098_670836098_1806498_5340547_n.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/2056683355_e721e633cb_b.jpg

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/811913610381.jpg

[Nairi]

[IMG]

Btw, while Sylvy Vartan was very famous at her times, her nephew is more famous now :)

http://www.tajeunesse.com/images/2009/08/Sylvie-Vartan1.jpg

Michael Vartan

http://www.tvscape.net/wp-content/uploads/terms/actor/michael-vartan.jpg

[Eldritch]

Armenians are by far my favourite Caucasians/Near Easterners, and I prefer them to a few European peoples, too.

Not the least because Armenia gave the world (via the US) one of my favourite composers, Alan Hovhaness:

Dj6Wa4O6IV8

I have also been ovewhelmed by the hospitality of the people in Jerusalem's Armenian Quarter.

[StonyArabia]

Armenians are certainly not lighter than Chechens,Ingush Adyghe, Karachay-Balkars, Karbads, even Georgians are in fact lighter than them. Armenians look like Azeris and Turks and in fact share genetic history with them despite the other two are Turkic speaking and are Muslim. This can be clearly seen by the autosomes of the Armenians. Speaking those facts does not make one anti-Armenian or have anti-Armenian agenda. Armenians by culture are certainly more European than the other mentioned groups but culture is different than genetics as it can easily shift.

[Hess]

Some Armenians can look like Greek Islanders and Maltese people, but even those have a foreign, semitic mentality that has no place in Europe.

Therefore, even if Armenians looked like Europeans (and some of them do), they would still not be welcome in Europe.

[Nairi]

Armenians are certainly not lighter than Chechens,Ingush Adyghe, Karachay-Balkars, Karbads, even Georgians are in fact lighter than them. Armenians look like Azeris and Turks and in fact share genetic history with them despite the other two are Turkic speaking and are Muslim. This can be clearly seen by the autosomes of the Armenians. Speaking those facts does not make one anti-Armenian or have anti-Armenian agenda. Armenians by culture are certainly more European than the other mentioned groups but culture is different than genetics as it can easily shift.

If u mean real Turks and Azeris of Turcic origin Armenians have nothing in common with them, obviously, but what is "Turk" and "Azeri" anyway? Both of them are a big mix of everything and many Turks have Armenian blood.
As to Azeris up to recently they were called Tartars and again obviously Armenians can't have anything in common with Azeri Tartars. But Azerbaijan is not only Tartars invaders but also indegenous people of Caucasian Albania: Talysh, Lezgin,Udins and Avars/Tsakhurs. All they have been undergoing a physical and cultural genocede, their activists being inprisoned and killed, others found refuge and set up a paper in Holland and urge on their people to stay strong and not get assimilated. Through centuries Tartars invaders tried to assimilate those nations, Arabs made them Muslim while they were not just Christians but adherents of Armenian Orthodox Church, out of all only Udins stayed Christians, so yes, since in general they are against their own will are called Azeris and their haplogroups are lumped together with Azeri Tartars then obviously we will have in common with indegenous ppl.

These are Talysh people who appear as Azeris...

http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/p15220.jpg

http://azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/92_folder/92_photos/92_557_talysh2.jpg

They have nothing in common with cruel Tartar tribes which invaded their lands...Moreover, right now they are appealing again to the world to set them free from Azeris...check out videos on Yt "Lezginstan" "Talshistan".."Udins"

Famous Azeri singers

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000hr8ct

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000h95f8

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000ha7y2

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000hbesa

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000hcfd7

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000hdawz

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000he0pf

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000hfaqk

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000hqt5q

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000hsgdt

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000htbyp/s640x480

http://pics.livejournal.com/bsw_am/pic/000hxg01/s640x480

[Nairi]

Some Armenians can look like Greek Islanders and Maltese people, but even those have a foreign, semitic mentality that has no place in Europe.

Therefore, even if Armenians looked like Europeans (and some of them do), they would still not be welcome in Europe.

That's simply not true. Armenian Diaspora has been part of Europe for centuries and contribution coming from is enourmously big with no crime whatsoever.
And Diaspora is bigger than "Soviet Armenia". Diaspora ha s always been crime free, and Indo-european Armenians born and raised in europe can't have "semitic" Kavkaz mentality by default.
An overwhelming majority of Soviet Armeniais law abiding and hardwoking, decent ppl, crime in Armenia is very law,as I have shown u before Armenia,Germany and Austria are the safest countries in Europe by statistics.
In Russia to which u always refer Armenian crime takes the last pace among Russians and their minorities...u take isolated cases and label majority.

[Nairi]

These are haplogroups of Lezgins separately, why? because they live in Russia and recognised as separate nation and not Russian in general, while part of their nation lives in Azerbaijan and recognised as "Azeris"...So, when they research "Azeris" they include all their indegenous ppl...

Here u can check them...

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Lezgins whose haplogroups is lumped together under the name "Azeri"

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2088/1541973162_7fb36c5288_z.jpg?zz=1

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7813476@N04/1541973162/

[GruttePier]

I have met a few Armenians in my country they look like south Europeans, they are good folk with good values. Never cause trouble and actually have respect for Europeans and our culture. They learn the language, work and don't piss on our values like others. But most importantly they respect and admire Europeans. Some people should look into the mirror .

[The Journeyman]

Some Armenians can look like Greek Islanders and Maltese people, but even those have a foreign, semitic mentality that has no place in Europe.

There were Armenian settlements in Cyprus and parts of Greece (possibly earlier) during the Byzantine and Crusader eras.

Greece has also traditionally been one of Armenia's closest allies, and has been for centuries.


Therefore, even if Armenians looked like Europeans (and some of them do), they would still not be welcome in Europe.

Armenia is in Europe.

[Zephyr]

There were Armenian settlements in Cyprus and parts of Greece (possibly earlier) during the Byzantine and Crusader eras.

Greece has also traditionally been one of Armenia's closest allies, and has been for centuries.



Armenia is in Europe.

Like christian Lebanon and Assyria?

[The Journeyman]

Like christian Lebanon and Assyria?

I actually consider the Lebanese Christians to be part of the European continent, or Western world. Not the lower caste Muslim Lebanese Arabs, but the true Phoenician descendants. There was a sectarian movement, before the takeover of the Lebanese government by the Islamists, called the Guardians of the Cedars. They were an ultra-nationalist group that rejected Arabic culture and Islam and wanted to return Lebanon to it's more civilized, Phoenician roots. To me, these people, although not European technically, are very much in line with a healthy European nationalist way of thinking and should be embraced by preservationists.

Europa, the Goddess the continent was named after, was born in Phoenicia. Phoenicia also played a large role in the development of western civilization as well.

[Zephyr]

Not a bad deal, but I don't see Lebanon creating an Apartheid to become part of Europe.

Armenia looks too oriental and exotic to me as well. They are surely closer to their neighbours, who also have many europids.

Also I don't appreciate their contempt for Georgians. They look like kids fighting for an ice cream. Everyone wants to be part of Europe. Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Tatarstan, Lebanon, Israel, even moroccan nazis (yes, they exist).

Like I said, I like them, make no mistake. But they are... what they are: a crossroad between Eastern Europe, Western Asia and the Middle East, geographically located in Asia. Their music is Oriental, their traits are exotic.

Is Greenland in Europe?

[hajduk]

Most of the armenians in Bulgaria are bankers, traders.. etc. Hard time to meet an armenian miner or taxi driver. Just like jews, no hard feelings :)

[Olika]

http://cs9779.vkontakte.ru/u42817927/125807800/y_949c7b6e.jpg
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[morski]

There is a strong Armenian community in my hometown and I even have relatives who are partially Armenian. The Armenian church in Bourgas:
http://bulgaria-life.com/images/Bulgaria,%20Bourgas%20City,%20Armenian%20Church.jp g
http://www.burgasnews.com/images/stories/AA2010/obshtestvo2011/armenci-pametnik.jpg
A memorial financed by the Armenian diaspora dedicated to the Bulgarian people. The inscription reads: To the Bulgarian people from the grateful Armenians.
http://bgbeaches.com/albums/Burgas/monument.jpg
gfhZMvOSnqo

[Mordid]

Armenians and Bulgarians = no difference :/

[hajduk]

Bulgarian =/= european

[Ushtari]

Balkan =/= Europe (thank god for that)

[Ushtari]

Teh armenian language has its origin in Balkan

[morski]

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[hajduk]

Bourgas=/=Bulgaria

[Nairi]

Armenians are by far my favourite Caucasians/Near Easterners, and I prefer them to a few European peoples, too.

Not the least because Armenia gave the world (via the US) one of my favourite composers, Alan Hovhaness:

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I have also been ovewhelmed by the hospitality of the people in Jerusalem's Armenian Quarter.

Not exactly the same but your post reminded me that I could share this :)

The founder of the Armenian operatic tradition was Dikran Tchouhadjian (1837-98), who was born in Constantinople in the Ottoman Empire and received his musical education in Milan, where he became a great admirer of Verdi. He was a political and musical nationalist who mixed Western and Armenian influences in his work. His Arshak Erkrord is regarded as the first Armenian opera. It was written in 1868 but had to wait until 1945 for a full staging. The libretto, by Tovmas Terzian, is based on the life of the 4th century king Arshak II. Chukhadjian's other operas include Arifi khardakhutyune (The Government Inspector, based on the play by Gogol, 1872); Zemire (1891), which was written in Turkish and premiered in Constantinople; as well as Kyose Kyokhva ("The Balding Elder"), Lelebidj ("The Pea Seller") and Indiana.

http://wiki-images.enotes.com/thumb/a/a9/Tigranchukha.jpg/180px-Tigranchukha.jpg

Tigran Tchouhadjian[1] (Armenian: Տիգրան Չուխաճեան)[2] (1837 - March 11, 1898)[3] was an Armenian composer, conductor, public activist and the founder of the first opera institution in the Ottoman Empire.


Along with other Armenian intellectuals of that period he fought for the development of the national culture, organized Armenian musical societies, theatres, schools, papers and free concerts. In his works Tchouhadjian used the elements of European musical techniques and Armenian folk melodies.[5] He is an author of pieces for piano, songs and romances, chamber and symphonic works, operas (Zemire, 1890; Leblebiji, 1875) etc. He died in Smyrna (now İzmir).

[Sagitta Hungarica]

Most of the armenians in Bulgaria are bankers, traders.. etc. Hard time to meet an armenian miner or taxi driver. Just like jews, no hard feelings :)

The same case was in Hungary also. Next to Jews and Greeks they were the people dealing with commerce, rarely doing real work, thus often they gathered much antipathy from the general population.

[Nairi]

The same case was in Hungary also. Next to Jews and Greeks they were the people dealing with commerce, rarely doing real work, thus often they gathered much antipathy from the general population.

The 13 Martyrs of Arad

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/300px-Aradi13.jpg

In 1686, an Armenian tailor by the name of Kapriel Tokhatetsi, is said to have helped the local Hungarian authorities in Buda, which is present-day Budapest, in their war of liberation against the Ottoman Turks.
According to historical records, Tokhatetsi not only provided the armies fighting the Turks with vital military information, “but, at the appropriate time, blew up the Turkish military depot of the city”.

“This ordinary Armenian has done a lot for the liberation of Buda from Turkish rule,” one historian has said.
It was during the same war against the Ottoman Turks, that Hungary’s well-established Armenian minority donated 100,000 Forints to the war effort and later another 15,000 Forints to repair damage caused by the fighting.

Later, during financial crises, the community also donated large sums of money to the central government as a “national debt to their adopted country.”
Here, historians note a major financial donation in the 1700′s by the Armenians of Szamosújvár towards the establishment of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

Most prominent, however, was the role the Armenians played in the 1848-49 Hungarian War of Independence against Austrian rule.
In this historical battle, hundreds of Armenian officers and enlisted men were killed in the war effort which was led by 13 top generals, including three Hungarians of Armenian origin-;Ernest (Erno) Kiss (Bzdikian), Vilmos Lazar (Ghazarian) and Janos Czetz (Tzetzian).
The first two were later executed by the Austrians and the third, Janos Czetz managed to escape to Argentina where he founded that nation’s military academy.

[Rosenrot]

Serj Tankian can be considered a good example of Armenid?

http://musica.culturamix.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/serj-tankian/serj-tankian-4.jpg

[morski]

Bourgas=/=Bulgaria

Bourgas=the heart of Europe :D

[Mordid]

Serj Tankian can be considered a good example of Armenid?

http://musica.culturamix.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/serj-tankian/serj-tankian-4.jpg
Pred.Anatolid. What make you think he[s Armenid?

[Sagitta Hungarica]

The 13 Martyrs of Arad

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/300px-Aradi13.jpg

In 1686, an Armenian tailor by the name of Kapriel Tokhatetsi, is said to have helped the local Hungarian authorities in Buda, which is present-day Budapest, in their war of liberation against the Ottoman Turks.
According to historical records, Tokhatetsi not only provided the armies fighting the Turks with vital military information, “but, at the appropriate time, blew up the Turkish military depot of the city”.

“This ordinary Armenian has done a lot for the liberation of Buda from Turkish rule,” one historian has said.
It was during the same war against the Ottoman Turks, that Hungary’s well-established Armenian minority donated 100,000 Forints to the war effort and later another 15,000 Forints to repair damage caused by the fighting.

Later, during financial crises, the community also donated large sums of money to the central government as a “national debt to their adopted country.”
Here, historians note a major financial donation in the 1700′s by the Armenians of Szamosújvár towards the establishment of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

Most prominent, however, was the role the Armenians played in the 1848-49 Hungarian War of Independence against Austrian rule.
In this historical battle, hundreds of Armenian officers and enlisted men were killed in the war effort which was led by 13 top generals, including three Hungarians of Armenian origin-;Ernest (Erno) Kiss (Bzdikian), Vilmos Lazar (Ghazarian) and Janos Czetz (Tzetzian).
The first two were later executed by the Austrians and the third, Janos Czetz managed to escape to Argentina where he founded that nation’s military academy.

This is true, but overall Armenians were still considered and even today as the "Jews of the Caucasus".

[Rosenrot]

Pred.Anatolid. What make you think he[s Armenid?

because i have no idea of how armenids are like and he would be my stereotype of it.

[Mordid]

because i have no idea of how armenids are like and he would be my stereotype of it.
You look cute in your avatar.

[Hess]

This is true, but overall Armenians were still considered and even today as the "Jews of the Caucasus".


agreed. They behave exactly like them, except they're not as smart.

[StonyArabia]

I actually consider the Lebanese Christians to be part of the European continent, or Western world. Not the lower caste Muslim Lebanese Arabs, but the true Phoenician descendants.

Genetics show their is no difference between the Christians Lebanese and Muslims and are basically the same people. As well the Phoenician is a myth. As well there are several groups of Christians in Lebanon. The Greek Orthodox have always have rejected the notion of an Aramaic or Phoenician identity and instead claim to be Arabians. This has caused tension between the Maronites Pan-Eastern traditions and the more Arabists Greek Orthodox. Ironically the Maronites themselves have Arabian blood through the Ghassanid Arabian tribe that one time ruled most of the Levant. The only difference between the Christians and Muslims, is that the Christians of Lebanon have little amount of Crusader blood. Well the Druze seem to be of native stock to the Levant and so do their genetics speak on this, as the Druze and Samartians of Israel cluster together.



There was a sectarian movement, before the takeover of the Lebanese government by the Islamists, called the Guardians of the Cedars. They were an ultra-nationalist group that rejected Arabic culture and Islam and wanted to return Lebanon to it's more civilized, Phoenician roots. To me, these people, although not European technically, are very much in line with a healthy European nationalist way of thinking and should be embraced by preservationists.

Lebanon was never taken by the Islamists, and not even today. What happened in Lebanon was the shift of demographics, and at the same time the Maronites benefited the most as they were established as puppets by the French. This angered the Druze, Muslims and other Christians notably the Greek Orthodox. After the foundation of Israel in 1948, their was an event called the Nakhaba in which many Palestinians were expelled into various, and in Lebanon, some of the Lebanese sects want to increase their demography, and this then resulted into a civil war and shifting of alliances. After the end of the civil war, the Shia Hezbollah became the de facto defender of Lebanon and gained much sympathy from the Christians, Sunnis, and the Shias and even the Druze. Yet Lebanon is pretty much a secular nation with no Islamist overtones and they have a very weak government. No matter how much they wish to return to their supposed Phoenician identity, it's not possible nor the other Christians will accept this.


Lebanese Christians and Muslims are not different genetic entities, the only different among them are the Druze and the reason they did not intermarry and seem to have preserved the pure Levantine genetics, and this why they are close to the samaritans of Israel, Iraqi Jews and form their own cluster. Yet Lebanese Christians and Muslims don't. The only difference like I have stated before the Christians have minor European blood which accounts very little.

Many of you have to much romanticism with the Christian Middle East, but its understandable because they share similar culture attributes to Europe;)

[Incal]

A massive wedding at Nagorno-Karabakh:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg183/Incal_x/LUGARES/nagornok_bodamasiva.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg183/Incal_x/LUGARES/nagornok_bodamasiva2.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg183/Incal_x/LUGARES/nagornok_bodas.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg183/Incal_x/LUGARES/nagornok_casados.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg183/Incal_x/LUGARES/nagornok_novios.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg183/Incal_x/LUGARES/nagornok_novia_vaca.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg183/Incal_x/LUGARES/nagornok_bride.jpg

[Hurrem sultana]

I actually consider the Lebanese Christians to be part of the European continent, or Western world. Not the lower caste Muslim Lebanese Arabs, but the true Phoenician descendants.


I haven known both muslims,christians,and druzes....no difference between them

[StonyArabia]

I haven known both muslims,christians,and druzes....no difference between them

On a genetic level the Druze are little different because they are endogamous and cluster closer to Samaritans and Jews especially Iraqi Jews. Yet the Lebanese Christians and Muslims are very much the same, by phenotype and some cultural attributes. So you are correct but people here have different idea and that there is romantic elements on the Christians of the Middle East.

[Hurrem sultana]

Ok all i know is ,both the christians,muslims and druzes were proud to be lebanese and arabic..no group claimed to be "european"

[StonyArabia]

Ok all i know is ,both the christians,muslims and druzes were proud to be lebanese and arabic..no group claimed to be "european"

Yes that's true, but the Maronites always want to be seen as part of the European civilization, which other Christians like the Greek Orthodox refuse as they clearly see themselves to be Arabic. The Druze are Arabic by culture and traditions but genetics show them to be pretty much the true Israelites :thumb001:

[Olika]

http://cs5349.vkontakte.ru/u13909031/-6/z_32ae8c3e.jpg
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[Sagitta Hungarica]

Olika, most of those women are not White.

[Hess]

Olika, most of those women are not White.

"White" is a relative term. Many of these women can pass as Maltese/Greek Islanders.

However, they are not European non Eyropean culture and beliefs.

[Sagitta Hungarica]

"White" is a relative term. Many of these women can pass as Maltese/Greek Islanders.

However, they are not European non Eyropean culture and beliefs.

I guess they can pass as Europid, but strictly regarding their skin color many of them aren't White.

[The Journeyman]

Genetics show their is no difference between the Christians Lebanese and Muslims and are basically the same people. As well the Phoenician is a myth. As well there are several groups of Christians in Lebanon. The Greek Orthodox have always have rejected the notion of an Aramaic or Phoenician identity and instead claim to be Arabians. This has caused tension between the Maronites Pan-Eastern traditions and the more Arabists Greek Orthodox. Ironically the Maronites themselves have Arabian blood through the Ghassanid Arabian tribe that one time ruled most of the Levant. The only difference between the Christians and Muslims, is that the Christians of Lebanon have little amount of Crusader blood. Well the Druze seem to be of native stock to the Levant and so do their genetics speak on this, as the Druze and Samartians of Israel cluster together.

Not quite:

"The scientists also found that Lebanese Muslim men were more likely
than Christians to carry a particular genetic signature. But this one
is linked to expansions from the Arabian Peninsula which brought Islam
to the area in the 7th and 8th Centuries."

http://genforum.genealogy.com/lebanon/messages/3163.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7316281.stm



Lebanon was never taken by the Islamists, and not even today. What happened in Lebanon was the shift of demographics, and at the same time the Maronites benefited the most as they were established as puppets by the French. This angered the Druze, Muslims and other Christians notably the Greek Orthodox. After the foundation of Israel in 1948, their was an event called the Nakhaba in which many Palestinians were expelled into various, and in Lebanon, some of the Lebanese sects want to increase their demography, and this then resulted into a civil war and shifting of alliances. After the end of the civil war, the Shia Hezbollah became the de facto defender of Lebanon and gained much sympathy from the Christians, Sunnis, and the Shias and even the Druze. Yet Lebanon is pretty much a secular nation with no Islamist overtones and they have a very weak government. No matter how much they wish to return to their supposed Phoenician identity, it's not possible nor the other Christians will accept this.

The Maronites may be a privileged group but after the 1989 Ta'if Accord Syria has influenced or even dominated the political landscape of Lebanon even up until today, although their influence is not as unrestricted as it was a few decades ago.

[Nairi]

This is true, but overall Armenians were still considered and even today as the "Jews of the Caucasus".

First time I hear such expression, considered by who and why? For being clever, talanted, hardworking, gaining a lot and sharing it, fighting shoulder to shoulder, dying for the other countires and becoming their martyrs? Then it says a lot about those who see it as a being Jew and a bad thing...

[Nairi]

I guess they can pass as Europid, but strictly regarding their skin color many of them aren't White.

Then u will have to say the same about many Greeks,Italians,Portuguese,Spanish,etc...and probably u are aware many don't consider Hungarians white...

[Hurrem sultana]

"White" is a relative term. Many of these women can pass as Maltese/Greek Islanders.

However, they are not European non Eyropean culture and beliefs.

well Boston doesn't have european culture ;)

[Hurrem sultana]

the Armenians are not european because of their looks,they don't look european,but i think they can be proud of their culture and history

i looked up some chechen,dagestani videos on youtube,,and the people look pretty much like an average Balkanoid,so they are by looks european.The armenians look turkish(or turks look armenian whatever)..but not european.Sorry

[Nairi]

Zephyr,

I think u missed my post about Armenian classical opera being bsed on Western tunes, that was the main point for u ;) I will put this in bold so u don't miss it by accident :D Is he enough white and enough European looking for u to visit the famous Museum? Have u been there? I have :p

Calouste Sarkis Gulbenkian (Armenian: Գալուստ Սարգիս Կիւլպէնկեան) (23 March 1869–20 July 1955) was an Armenian businessman and philanthropist. He played a major role in making the petroleum reserves of the Middle East available to Western development. By the end of his life he had become one of the world's wealthiest individuals and his art acquisitions considered one of the greatest private collections.[2][3]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Caloustegulbenkian.jpg/434px-Caloustegulbenkian.jpg

Calouste Gulbenkian was born in Üsküdar, in Constantinople (now Istanbul), Ottoman Empire, the son of an Armenian oil importer/exporter. His father sent him to be educated at King's College London, where he studied petroleum engineering, and then to examine the Russian oil industry at Baku. While still in his twenties he lived in London arranging deals in the oil business. After becoming a naturalized British citizen in 1902, he was involved in arranging the 1907 merger resulting in Royal Dutch/Shell and emerged from that effort as a major shareholder. His habit of retaining five per cent of the shares of the oil companies he developed earned him the nickname "Mr. Five Percent".[4]

In 1912 Gulbenkian was the brain behind the creation of the Turkish Petroleum Company (TPC)—a consortium of the largest European oil companies aimed at cooperatively procuring oil exploration and development rights in the Ottoman Empire territory of Iraq, while excluding other interests. A promise of these rights was made to the TPC, but the onset of World War I interrupted their efforts.

During the dismantling of the Ottoman Empire after the war, Iraq came under British mandate. Heated and prolonged negotiations ensued regarding which companies could invest in the Turkish Petroleum Company. The TPC was granted exclusive oil exploration rights to Iraq in 1925. The discovery of a large oil reserve at Baba Gurgur provided the impetus to conclude negotiations and in July 1928 an agreement, called the "Red Line Agreement", was signed which determined which oil companies could invest in TPC and reserved 5% of the shares for Gulbenkian. The name of the company was changed to the Iraq Petroleum Company in 1929. Actually, the Pasha had given him the entire Iraqi oil concession, but he gave the rest away to corporations able to develop the whole, growing wealthy on the remainder. He reputedly said, "Better a small piece of a big pie, than a big piece of a small one."[citation needed]

Gulbenkian amassed a huge fortune and an art collection which he kept in a private museum at his Paris house. His four-storey, three-basement house on Avenue d'Iéna was said to be crammed with art, a situation ameliorated in 1936 when he lent thirty paintings to the National Gallery, London and his Egyptian sculpture to the British Museum. He was president of the Armenian General Benevolent Union (AGBU) from 1930–1932, resigning as a result of a smear campaign by the Soviet Armenian government.[citation needed]

In 1938, before the beginning of the Second World War, Gulbenkian incorporated in Panama a company to hold his assets in the oil industry. It was from this "Participations and Explorations Corporation" which came the name Partex (now called the "Partex Oil and Gas (Holdings) Corporation" and which is now a subsidiary of the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation headquartered in Lisbon).

By the outset of the Second World War, he had acquired diplomatic immunity as the Iraqi Minister in Paris and he followed the French government when it fled to Vichy, serving the Pétainist Vichy France regime as its Iranian minister. He left France in late 1942 for Lisbon and lived there until his death in a suite at the luxurious Aviz Hotel. His Armenian wife died in 1952. They had two children, a son Nubar and a daughter Rita, who would become the wife of Iranian diplomat Kevork Loris Essayan.

At the time of his death in 1955, Gulbenkian's fortune was estimated at between US$280 million and US$840 million. After undisclosed sums willed in trust to his descendants, the remainder of his fortune and art collection were willed to the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation (Fundação Calouste Gulbenkian), with US$300,000–400,000 to be reserved to restore the Etchmiadzin Cathedral in Echmiadzin, Armenia, when relations with the Soviet Union permitted. The Foundation was to act for charitable, educational, artistic, and scientific purposes, and the named trustees were his long-time friend Baron Radcliffe of Werneth, Lisbon attorney José de Azeredo Perdigão, and his son-in-law Kevork Loris Essayan. The Foundation established its headquarters and the Calouste Gulbenkian Museum (Museu Calouste Gulbenkian) in Lisbon to display his art collection.

Gulbenkian is buried in Châteauneuf.

[Nairi]

the Armenians are not european because of their looks,they don't look european,but i think they can be proud of their culture and history

i looked up some chechen,dagestani videos on youtube,,and the people look pretty much like an average Balkanoid,so they are by looks european.The armenians look turkish(or turks look armenian whatever)..but not european.Sorry

Thanks for letting us be proud of our history and culture :D

[Nairi]

For tourists in Portugal :D Don't miss this jewel of Europe!

Museu Calouste Gulbenkian (Calouste Gulbenkian Museum) is a museum in Lisbon, Portugal, containing a collection of ancient, and some modern art. The museum was founded according to Calouste Gulbenkian's last will, in order to accommodate and display Gulbenkian's art collection belonging now to the Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Fundacao_Calouste_Gulbenkian_Lisboa.JPG

History

The permanent exhibition galleries are distributed in chronological and geographical order to create two independent circuits within the overall tour.

The first circuit highlights Oriental art and Classical art on display in the Egyptian, Greco-Roman, Mesopotamian, Persian art[1] from Islamic period, Armenian and Far Eastern art.

The second covers European art with sections dedicated to the art of the book, sculpture, painting and the decorative arts, particularly 18th century French art and the work of René Lalique. In this circuit, a wide-ranging number of pieces reflect various European artistic trends from the beginning of the 11th century to the mid-20th century.

The section begins with work in ivory and illuminated manuscript books, followed by a selection of 15th, 16th and 17th century sculptures and paintings.

Renaissance art produced in Holland, Flanders, France and Italy is on display in the next room. French 18th century decorative arts have a special place in the museum with outstanding gold and silver objects and furniture, as well as paintings and sculptures. These decorative arts are followed by galleries exhibiting a large group of paintings by the Venetian Francesco Guardi, 18th and 19th century English paintings, and finally a superb collection of jewels and glass by René Lalique, displayed in its own room.

The museum is one of the less known jewels in Europe. Gulbenkian's motto was "Only the best", and hence the museum has masterpieces by western European artists as Domenico Ghirlandaio, Rubens, Rembrandt, Rodin, Carpeaux, Houdon, Renoir, Dierick Bouts, Vittore Carpaccio, Cima da Conegliano, Van Dyck, Corot, Degas, Nattier, George Romney, Stefan Lochner, Maurice-Quentin de La Tour, Édouard Manet, Henri Fantin-Latour, Claude Monet, Jean-François Millet, Sir Edward Burne-Jones, Thomas Gainsborough, Joseph Mallord William Turner, Jean-Honoré Fragonard, Giovanni Battista Moroni, Frans Hals, Ruisdael, Boucher, Largillière, Andrea della Robbia, Pisanello, Jean-Baptiste Pigalle, Antonio Rosselino, André-Charles Boulle, Cressent, Oeben, Riesener, Antoine-Sébastien Durand, Charles Spire, Jean Deforges, François-Thomas Germain, and many others.

Some of the works in the collection were bought during the Soviet sale of Hermitage paintings.

Of the about 6000 items in the museum's collections a selection of around 1000 is in permanent exhibition.

The museum is located within a landscaped park, at the intersection of Av. de Berna and Av. António Augusto de Aguiar, in Lisbon.

[The Journeyman]

More reasons to like Armenians

"Armenians were recorded in Serbia in 1218 when Saint Sava invited constructors to build a Serbian Orthodox monastery after he had been to Armenia and seen the beautiful Armenian architecture there. The Armenians were to build Vitovnica Monastery, which has preserved a bilingual sacral text in Serbian and Armenian dating to the building."

"Armenians were a small part of the Ottoman Turkish army when they invaded Serbia prior to the Battle of Kosovo 1389. However upon hearing that they would attack a Christian people, they fled the Ottomans to the other side to fight alongside the Serbs. After the battle, the surviving Armenians settled in the hills of Sokobanja where they built Jermenčić Monastery[2]... Armenia has not recognized the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo"

“The Armenian people and the Yugoslavians have a fraternal relationship that spans centuries. Together they have fought the common enemy: Turkey.” -Armenian National Committee

http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-Pins/Serbia/Flag-Pins-Serbia-Armenia.jpg

:)

[Nairi]

"White" is a relative term. Many of these women can pass as Maltese/Greek Islanders.

However, they are not European non Eyropean culture and beliefs.

How did u figure that out? :D

So, u have European culture and beliefs but I don't? Mine are semitic Kavkaz as u kindly put it? Can u pls enlighten me what is my problem :D and I in return will let some of your stereotypes go away...

"they are not that smart" u said,ты-то хоть сам понял,что сказал? lol

..............

ARMENIAN immigrants and their descendants are the most successful ethnic group in the country, according to an analysis of “melting pot” Britain.

They are followed by the Japanese, Dutch and Greek Cypriots among the groups who are economically and socially most successful. Bangladeshi Muslims and migrants from Sierra Leone and Syria have fared worst.

Of the 2,651 people of Armenian descent in Britain, more than

1,600 run businesses and a high proportion live in expensive parts of west London.
Among the most successful is Bob Manoukian, property developer and former agent for Prince Jefri of Brunei. He has a family fortune of £300m, according to The Sunday Times Rich List.
Other successful people with Armenian roots include David Dickinson, presenter of the BBC’s Bargain Hunt, and Ara Palamoudian, chairman of the Armenian community & church council of Great Britain.
He said: “Armenians have always tried to be self-sufficient and not to be a burden on any country. It could be the history of the Armenian people, the way their lives have been over centuries. They had to find shelter around the world.”
Many Armenians fled to England after the first world war, during which up to 1.5m died, amid allegations of genocide by the Turks. Other waves arrived in the 1970s and 1980s.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article634244.ece

If u find Jews there give me a shout :)

[Nairi]

More reasons to like Armenians

"Armenians were recorded in Serbia in 1218 when Saint Sava invited constructors to build a Serbian Orthodox monastery after he had been to Armenia and seen the beautiful Armenian architecture there. The Armenians were to build Vitovnica Monastery, which has preserved a bilingual sacral text in Serbian and Armenian dating to the building."

"Armenians were a small part of the Ottoman Turkish army when they invaded Serbia prior to the Battle of Kosovo 1389. However upon hearing that they would attack a Christian people, they fled the Ottomans to the other side to fight alongside the Serbs. After the battle, the surviving Armenians settled in the hills of Sokobanja where they built Jermenčić Monastery[2]... Armenia has not recognized the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo"

“The Armenian people and the Yugoslavians have a fraternal relationship that spans centuries. Together they have fought the common enemy: Turkey.” -Armenian National Committee

http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-Pins/Serbia/Flag-Pins-Serbia-Armenia.jpg

:)

Oh,my, u took the words out of my mouth! I was going to post it specifically for u! :)

[Nairi]

Anyway, i've a question about the surname "Kessisoglu". The desinence "-oglu" isn't typical turkish? There are pure blooded armenian with turkish surnames?

Yes :)

Daron Acemoglu

Kamer Daron Acemoğlu [ˈadʒemoːɫu] (born September 3, 1967 in Istanbul, Turkey) is a Turkish-American economist of Armenian origin. He is currently the Elizabeth and James Killian Professor of Economics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and winner of the 2005 John Bates Clark Medal.[2] He is among the 10 most cited economists in the world according to IDEAS/RePEc. His most cited article is "Colonial origins of comparative development" (2001).

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/acemoglu_f.jpg


Hayrunnisa Gul (Turkish Fist Lady) delivered speech at Pace recently. Her beautiful jewelry (ring) caused curiousity of journalists and she mentioned it is created by Armenian jeweler Sevan Bicakci. She also added he is not very well known in the world and traditionally the best handcraft workers in Turkey have been Armenians and Greeks. ( according to some here a real job lol- my note)

http://dianepernet.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/susan_sabet_sevan_bicakci.jpg

Another hidden and muslimized Armenian family in Turkey returned to their roots and faith.

http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/31934.jpg

33-year-old Mesure Kaplan and 28-year-old Jihan, the grandson of the sister of deputy patriarch of Constantinople Archbishop Aram Ateshyan, intend to adopt Christianity. According to the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet,. Mesure married to Kubeti Kaplan, who is the hidden Armenian as well. They arrived to Van for the liturgy, took place in the Church Surb Khach and stated that they are Armenians, who’s waiting the Church of St. Kirakos to be opened in the city of Diyarbekir to be baptized there.
Mesure noted that all this time, they still hid their Armenian origin, and pretended being Muslims, but the family had always been a challenge to preserve its national identity. “My mother always said that she will never allow me to marry a Muslim”, – said Mesure.



And for those who continuously say Armenians look like Turks or opposite, sure Armenian look like an Armenian regardless of last names or place of origin. But Armenians don't look like Turcic Turks, real Turks, and not assmilated Armenians

[StonyArabia]

Not quite:

"The scientists also found that Lebanese Muslim men were more likely
than Christians to carry a particular genetic signature. But this one
is linked to expansions from the Arabian Peninsula which brought Islam
to the area in the 7th and 8th Centuries."

http://genforum.genealogy.com/lebanon/messages/3163.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7316281.stm

You gotta understand there is a political agenda to support the difference between the so called Lebanese Christians and Muslims in order to split the nation, especially in outdated studies. As well the Arabian signature did not come in the 7th nor the 8th century but more so like the 2nd and 3rd century due to the various Arabian tribes like the Nabateans, and the Ghassanids who were the ruling elites of Lebanon under the Byzantines. The only difference is that some of the Maronites have some Western European blood and this is due to the Crusaders. When they say Christian they are meaning the Maronites, but they are not the only group in Lebanon. There has been heavy fighting between the Maronites and Greek Orthodox and they sit on parallel opposites. The Greek Orthodox clearly have Pan-Arab inclinations and see themselves more related to Muslim Arabs than they do to European Christians.



The Maronites may be a privileged group but after the 1989 Ta'if Accord Syria has influenced or even dominated the political landscape of Lebanon even up until today, although their influence is not as unrestricted as it was a few decades ago.

The Maronites were the dominant and elite group in Lebanon and this was due to French politics. After the French left the Maronites were still in power and wanted to mold Lebanon into their own image by making it a center of Catholicism and strong Western influenced culture. This angered the other groups, and eventually began the sectarian violence that ensued. Yes due to agreement they began to split the government on religious representation. Syrian influence also became more important with the rise of Shia forces like Hezbollah, and after the civil war in which their was a clash with Christian and Christian, Muslim and Muslim, Druze, the entity that emerged to be the largest demographic were the Shias, and the alliances were so complex that Christian-Muslim alliance against Druze, Sunni-Christian alliance against Shia and so on, it was one of the most confusing conflicts to occur, but this does not take away that the Maronites were resented for being the former privileged group due to French colonial policies in the region.

[The Journeyman]

You gotta understand there is a political agenda to support the difference between the so called Lebanese Christians and Muslims in order to split the nation, especially in outdated studies. As well the Arabian signature did not come in the 7th nor the 8th century but more so like the 2nd and 3rd century due to the various Arabian tribes like the Nabateans, and the Ghassanids who were the ruling elites of Lebanon under the Byzantines. The only difference is that some of the Maronites have some Western European blood and this is due to the Crusaders. When they say Christian they are meaning the Maronites, but they are not the only group in Lebanon. There has been heavy fighting between the Maronites and Greek Orthodox and they sit on parallel opposites. The Greek Orthodox clearly have Pan-Arab inclinations and see themselves more related to Muslim Arabs than they do to European Christians.

Are you suggesting that the Genographic Project has a hidden agenda to divide Lebanon? :p

The study was done 3 years ago, btw.

[Nairi]

Armenia


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http://armeniansworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/armenia-springbreak-2009-2161-300x225.jpg

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http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles17/258328/projects/1547423/b37b06399c1bf474f9539a681aba5ca5.jpg

[Zephyr]

Nairi, of course I know Gulbenkian. As I said, I like Armenia and Armenians, your culture and religion. I'm all on your side against Turks, etc.

But that doesn't automatically put Armenia in Europe. Never in antiquity or in any other time, Armenia was seen as Europe.

It's in Asia Minor, it has always been. What's the problem about it?

[Nairi]

Nairi, of course I know Gulbenkian. As I said, I like Armenia and Armenians, your culture and religion. I'm all on your side against Turks, etc.

But that doesn't automatically put Armenia in Europe. Never in antiquity or in any other time, Armenia was seen as Europe.

It's in Asia Minor, it has always been. What's the problem about it?

Too lazy to use my brains again, please, have a look at this :)


Caucasians are Caucasians. 'Asian' is far too big a category to fit anyone. 'European' does have some merit as a term, but stretching it to include Caucasians ruins this.

I am a friend of Hayasdan, and have been to Circassia, which is a beautiful place with some great people in it, but these lands are not really European in feel at all. Neither are they 'Middle Eastern', however. They are simply Caucasian, end of story. :)





Osweo, as a friend of people of Hayq u have to visit Armenia! :thumb001:

I think ur comment is quite true, the only point I would add about Armenians that our history,religion,culture has been very much connected to Europe, we call us just Armenians, not even Caucasians in the meaning from Caucasus since our heritage comes not only from what is lately called South Caucasus ( which is only 10% of our original lands and heritage) but from Armenian Highland. For example Armenains living in the UK were born in part of Armenian Hihgland (Westerrn Armenia, now Eastern Turkey) which is gegraphically in Europe, their (like all Armenians) dominant haplogroup is R1b and they are raised like British, so the case with Armenains is bound to be a mystery :)

[Hurrem sultana]

Thanks for letting us be proud of our history and culture :D

Sure..nothing against you be proud of yourself,and dont try to be what you are not ;):D

[The Journeyman]

^ Says the turk wannabe. :D

[Nairi]

Sure..nothing against you be proud of yourself,and dont try to be what you are not ;):D

You should apply it to urself since Muslims by default can't be Europeans ;):D

[Eva]

You should apply it to urself since Muslims by default can't be Europeans ;):D

She said she somewhat considers Chechens European and as far as I could understand wants muslims to be more in Europe; a Christian state, moreover the most ancient one, is nothing but more headache for her :wink

[Hurrem sultana]

You should apply it to urself since Muslims by default can't be Europeans


sorry Bosnia is in the middle of Europe,few hours away from Wienna only! ;)

and who told you that? i look pretty much european,and according from what i heard here bosniaks and albanians are considered europeans

[Hurrem sultana]

She said she somewhat considers Chechens European and as far as I could understand wants muslims to be more in Europe; a Christian state, moreover the most ancient one, is nothing but more headache for her :wink

I said by appearance they look European,and they do,,they are far lighter than Armenians..they can fit in the Balkans

[Hurrem sultana]

^ Says the turk wannabe. :D

i dont like the turks sorry:D:p

[d3cimat3d]

Title of the thread is misleading.

Armenians are not people of the Caucasus, but they are Anatolian-Mesopotamians.

[Nairi]

sorry Bosnia is in the middle of Europe,few hours away from Wienna only! ;)

and who told you that? i look pretty much european,and according from what i heard here bosniaks and albanians are considered europeans

I said "Muslims" and not the land...;)

I have pail skin colour, green eyes and I am always referred to as Eastern European wherever I travel.So in general as indivuduals we don't differ much. But the point is Islam is the enemy of European civilization and regardless of how u look u rejected volunteerly European values.

[d3cimat3d]

Armenia is not part of the Greater Caucasus mountain range. Most Armenians came from the south-west anyway, escaping the Ottomans. Armenia is a country of refugees.

http://i41.tinypic.com/23moeo6.jpg

[Eva]

I don't have anything against peaceful muslims, but as their religion tells them to kill the "infidels" without any remorse, I don't understand how it can coexist with Christianity and humanism in general.

[d3cimat3d]

http://i42.tinypic.com/359ld2f.png

[Han Cholo]

rTmL4goF4nA

[Nairi]

I don't have anything against peaceful muslims, but as their religion tells them to kill the "infidels" without any remorse, I don't understand how it can coexist with Christianity and humanism in general.

Our hidden Georgian friends again are on loose with the same propaganda and the same video where they put Armenian name and last name to a Turkish singer LMAO...we don't have such Razmik singer, how pathetic they are on their continuous propaganda, the same thing over and over on all forums...:D

[Han Cholo]

Our hidden Georgian friends again are on loose with the same propaganda and the same video where they put Armenian name and last name to a Turkish singer LMAO...we don't have such Razmik singer, how pathetic they are on their continuous propaganda, the same thing over and over on all forums...:D

Why is that you're so paranoid about your slightly more European looking but equally Christian northern neighbor? It's just a fun video. He's an Armenian american.

[Raskolnikov]

Armenian bias against Georgians is anti-European!

[Eva]

Our hidden Georgian friends again are on loose with the same propaganda and the same video where they put Armenian name and last name to a Turkish singer LMAO...we don't have such Razmik singer, how pathetic they are on their continuous propaganda, the same thing over and over on all forums...:D

ok take it easy, some stupid mexican singer with his funny mexican accent thinks he's making fun of Armenians...lol but in fact makes fun of himself, showing how low class he is and people who propagate that.

[Nairi]

Why is that you're so paranoid about your slightly more European looking but equally Christian northern neighbor? It's just a fun video. He's an Armenian american.

LOL U r telling me who is American Armenian? There is no such person with names put in the video, he is a Turk, if there is,post here his other videos in Armenian :D

Only Georgians walk around with this video ...