Regaining of Independence

[Satem]

Today marks 30 years since Latvia declared its independence(again) from the Soviet Union.

What I can say more God bless Latvia!/Dievs svētī Latviju!

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/be/ec/52/beec52ecf6cc4e287c24355704d8201c.jpg

Of course because of covid the celebration was much more quiet this year

https://eng.lsm.lv/article/culture/history/latvia-quietly-marks-30-years-of-restored-independence.a358309/

[Ülev]

Sveicu visus!
Tagad gaidām vētrainus kremlinu apsveikumus! :rolleyes:

[Ülev]

How the Declaration of Independence was made - in Latvian language only


https://youtu.be/tTEln8p1UUg

[Blondie]

Good to see the collapse of the Soviet Union :)

[♥ Lily ♥]

Regaining independence is a beautiful feeling. I know, as the UK gained our independence from the corrupt and anti-democratic EUSSR this year.... and more EU controlled states (including Latvia) will regain their freedom, democracy, and independence in the future from the unelected Eurocratic Presidents and the EUSSR dictatorship.

[Ülev]

Rīgas kamerkoris “Ave Sol” sveic 4. maijā un kopā ar komponistu Mārtiņu Braunu iedzied “Mīla ir kā uguns”
2020. gada 4. maijā aprit 30 gadi kopš 1990. gada 4. maijā demokrātiskās vēlēšanās ievēlētā LPSR Augstākā padome, paužot tautas gribu, pieņēma deklarāciju “Par Latvijas Republikas neatkarības atjaunošanu”. Godinot šo notikumu, Rīgas pašvaldības kultūras iestāžu apvienības Rīgas kamerkoris “Ave Sol” diriģentu Andra Veismaņa un Jurģa Cābuļa vadībā, pie klavierēm esot pašam dziesmas autoram – komponistam Mārtiņam Braunam – iedziedāja dziesmu “Mīla ir kā uguns”.
Riga Chamber Choir "Ave Sol" greets on May 4 and together with composer Mārtiņš Brauns sings "Love is like fire"
On May 4, 2020, 30 years have passed since the Supreme Soviet of the LSSR, elected in democratic elections on May 4, 1990, adopted a declaration “On the Restoration of the Independence of the Republic of Latvia”. In honor of this event, the Riga Chamber Choir “Ave Sol” of the Riga Municipal Association of Cultural Institutions, conducted by Andris Veismanis and Jurģis Cābulis, sang the song “Love is Like a Fire” by the songwriter himself - composer Mārtiņš Brauns.


https://youtu.be/PUhw_vg0mAg

[Teutone]

Congrats to the baltic brothers

[Rumata]

Finally, they are free to march on that land.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYbRT1nmOw8

[Ülev]

^^
nice, Polish, Lithuanian, Belarusian and Estonian flags there

[Ülev]

Finally, they are free to march on that land.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYbRT1nmOw8

interesting comments under that clip, like:


NTJ-Gaming
för 3 år sedan (redigerad)
Rest in peace to the latvian legion and civilians who perished under bolshevism communism!



Tobias
för 3 år sedan
Russia had been gearing up for war against Germany even before Operation Barbarossa was put into practice. Even conformist historians are forced to admit this fact. Bolshevism and its sycophant offspring like RT won't admit this. Just like Holodomor or Katyn.

[gixajo]

Regaining independence is a beautiful feeling. I know, as the UK gained our independence from the corrupt and anti-democratic EUSSR this year.... and more EU controlled states (including Latvia) will regain their freedom, democracy, and independence in the future from the unelected Eurocratic Presidents and the EUSSR dictatorship.

I don´t like much EU, but, Why do you say "unelected presidents" and anti-democratic?

[Rumata]

In Soviet time the population of Latvians increased. In Nazi times it decrease:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Population-of-Latvia.svg/1000px-Population-of-Latvia.svg.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Latvia

[Teutone]

In Soviet time the population of Latvians increased. In Nazi times it decrease:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Population-of-Latvia.svg/1000px-Population-of-Latvia.svg.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Latvia

Cause you guys flooded it

Latvian population was highest in 1935.

The Russian and other population is no indicator and are strangers to the land.

[Ülev]

https://youtu.be/KoHObim3jr8

[Rumata]

Cause you guys flooded it

Latvian population was highest in 1935.

The Russian and other population is no indicator and are strangers to the land.

I know you couldn't help saying we were strangers in Latvia (and you were the bosses, right?) but I didn't mean ethnic Russians. I meant ethnic Latvian population. Check the graph again.

Concerning 1935, I agree. I was their maximum until Hitler came there.

[Teutone]

I know you couldn't help saying we were strangers in Latvia (and you were the bosses, right?) but I didn't mean ethnic Russians. I meant ethnic Latvian population. Check the graph again.

Concerning 1935, I agree. I was their maximum until Hitler came there.

1,38 to 1,22 not that dramatic.

Im not sure why you make a nazi-soviet connection to every topic in 2020

Germans should not have any influence on them and Russians neither.

[Rumata]

1,38 to 1,22 not that dramatic.

Im not sure why you make a nazi-soviet connection to every topic in 2020

Germans should not have any influence on them and Russians neither.

It's ironic that they spit on the time of their demographical growth to glorify the time of their demographical decline.

I see very well why anyone would love independence though. I just don't know the modern limits of Latvian independence.

[Teutone]

It's ironic that they spit on the time of their demographical growth to glorify the time of their demographical decline.

I see very well why anyone would love independence though. I just don't know the modern limits of Latvian independence.

Any totalitarian regime can enforce a higher birthrate by taking away individual freedoms and limiting its citizens to property of the state.

Another thing communism and national-socialism got in common.

Also I dont see ANY significant demographic growth during communist occupation, a very stagnant line of the latvian population for almost 100years.

[Rumata]

Also I dont see ANY significant demographic growth during communist occupation, a very stagnant line of the latvian population for almost 100years.

A slow growth is still better than decline.

[Teutone]

A slow growth is still better than decline.

If it comes along with a regime enforcing it, hell no.

[Ülev]

https://youtu.be/BS6DN33Bwjk

[Rumata]

If it comes along with a regime enforcing it, hell no.

I don't think the Soviet regime did such and direct things.

Also, it's a pro-Lativian thing to breed more Latvians.

[♥ Lily ♥]

I don´t like much EU, but, Why do you say "unelected presidents" and anti-democratic?

Nobody elects the EU presidents. Too many MEPs in the EU parliament who aren't elected to represent us get to vote on laws made in the EU parliament. That's the problem with big governments - lack of accountability.

The EU isn't just undemocratic;- it's anti-democratic. Removing democratically elected leaders in the past in Greece and Italy and forcing pro EU puppet governments on them.

The ranting in the EU parliament by Eurocrat Guy Verhofstadt has caused many Europeans to brand him as Hitler.

Martin Schulz said it's not for the crowd to decide our destiny after we voted for our independence. He said it's for governments to decide. (We won't forget that statement. Governments are elected to serve us, the people, and were instructed on a mandate which was decided by us, the people.) The EU doesn't like democracy.


EU doesn't like dissidents!

Denmark; Maastricht Treaty - Danes voted no in a referendum to signing more of their sovereign powers to the EU - they were forced by the EU to vote again.
UK was never allowed to vote in a referendum on any EU treaty.
Ireland; Nice Treaty - voted no. Ignored.
France, Netherlands; EU Constitution - referendum results ignored in both EU states.
Ireland; Lisbon Treaty - voted no in a referendum. Irish people forced to vote again in second referendum until the EU got the vote result they wanted.
Greece; Euro bailout - ignored


Referendums elsewhere on what we now call the EU:

1972 Norway voted to STAY OUT
1982 Greenland voted to LEAVE
1992 Switzerland voted to STAY OUT
1994 Norway voted to STAY OUT
2013 San Marino: no quorum to join.




2005
My country The Netherlands also voted to STAY OUT.
Unfortunately our government decided otherwise.
It's a shame the Dutch government show so many times with their actions they do not care about the people they represent and choose to do the opposite.
Brexit & next Nexit!

https://twitter.com/Twilight420zone/status/1020985718682923010

http://i.picasion.com/resize90/47c4cd5f9d1fff5a1e2b290568262afb.jpg



UK; Brexit - EU attempted to overturn it and force a second referendum onto the people - but the UK proved too big to be bullied.
Italy; Eurosceptics - overuled.

Europeans were never asked if we wanted to be an 'EU citizen' or governed by EU Presidents who we didn't elect. We were never given a referendum or say if we wanted to join the EEC... it was forced upon us against the will of the people.

Eurobonds are now forced onto angry Dutch and Germans. Big EU fines have been imposed onto Italy each day by the Eurocrats.

'The EU has the worst excesses of the former Soviet Union.' Dimitri Medvedev, former elected President of the Russian Federation.

[TheMaestro]

Little I know about this depressed country, seems nice, congratz.

[Blondie]

Finally, they are free to march on that land.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ullUnUP2J4Q

[gixajo]

Nobody elects the EU presidents. Too many MEPs in the EU parliament who aren't elected to represent us get to vote on laws made in the EU parliament. That's the problem with big governments - lack of accountability.

The EU isn't just undemocratic;- it's anti-democratic. Removing democratically elected leaders in the past in Greece and Italy and forcing pro EU puppet governments on them.

The ranting in the EU parliament by Eurocrat Guy Verhofstadt has caused many Europeans to brand him as Hitler.

Martin Schulz said it's not for the crowd to decide our destiny after we voted for our independence. He said it's for governments to decide.







UK; Brexit - EU attempted to overturn it and force a second referendum onto the people - but the UK proved too big to be bullied.
Italy; Eurosceptics - overuled

Eurobonds are now forced onto angry Dutch and Germans. Big EU fines have been imposed onto Italy each day by the Eurocrats.

'The EU has the worst excesses of the former Soviet Union.' Dimitri Medvedev, former elected President of the Russian Federation.

I see all this greatly exaggerated, but in some things I can agree with you.

I don´t think you leaved EU because it is anti-democratic but because being in EU implied loose quite national sovereignty.And Medvedev quote about EU having the worst excesses of former Soviet union is quite ridiculous.

About how EU acted during the crisis, I am agree with you and also, you have the right to leave EU when you want.

Thanks for your answer.

[Ülev]

The Latvian SSR was a “donor of money” in the Soviet Union, Minister of Justice of the Republic Janis Bordans believes
https://en.topwar.ru/170928-latvijskij-chinovnik-nazval-latvijskuju-ssr-donorom-deneg-v-sovetskom-sojuze.html
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/05/06/vlasti-latvii-obyavili-respubliku-donorom-deneg-v-sssr.html

[Peterski]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUO8XmTr46g

[Sarmatian]

Today marks 30 years since Latvia declared its independence(again) from the Soviet Union.

What I can say more God bless Latvia!/Dievs svētī Latviju!

Don't worry, it will become dependent soon (again :laugh:). As soon as EU collapses its core will have to be mobilized and all its periphery will be thrown away. Their option will be to stay proudly independent and insanely poor or beg Russia to accept them into Eurasian union and have at least some slice of the pie.

[Sarmatian]

The Latvian SSR was a “donor of money” in the Soviet Union, Minister of Justice of the Republic Janis Bordans believes
https://en.topwar.ru/170928-latvijskij-chinovnik-nazval-latvijskuju-ssr-donorom-deneg-v-sovetskom-sojuze.html
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/05/06/vlasti-latvii-obyavili-respubliku-donorom-deneg-v-sssr.html

How cute. Why he only talks about how much Latvia had given and never about how much it received from the center? Oh, the truth will spoil his narrative.

Out of all republics only Russia and Belarus were permanent donors with Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan fluctuating between being donors and recipients from year to year. Everyone else, even rich Ukraine, was consistently getting more than contributed.

[Jaromir]

in the name of Satem.... bump
https://www.saeima.lv/lv/par-saeimu/informativie-materiali-par-saeimu/infografika-4-maijs-latvijas-republikas-neatkaribas-atjaunosanas-diena

[Jaromir]

https://youtu.be/Pnj1nVHpGB4

[Not a Cop]

In Soviet time the population of Latvians increased. In Nazi times it decrease:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Population-of-Latvia.svg/1000px-Population-of-Latvia.svg.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Latvia

Latvia had fertility below replacement level already during Soviet times. True, it became worse after independence, but population was declining before aswell.

https://i.imgur.com/vYKy6OI.png

[Rumata]

Latvia had fertility below replacement level already during Soviet times. True, it became worse after independence, but population was declining before aswell.
In late Soviet time their fertility rate was almost the highest counted in this table (2.1) and in the years of "independence" it became the absolute lowest (around 1.3):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Latvia#Vital_statistics

Still, I don't know how the number of Latvians could grow with the fertility rate below replacement.