Is MENA DNA superior?

[Avicii86]

On reddit it seems like everyone is so proud of having MENA percentages in their results, especially Southern Europeans like Italian, Greeks, Spanish. It’s like MENA DNA is the “cool” thing to have now lol. Are they proud for a reason are they really a superior people?

[Dr_Maul]

Idk, redditors are mostly hardcore liberals, they are probably happy for any nonwhite ancestry they can get their hands on... Or they just want a piece of the Umayyad legacy :muslimcomputer:

[Cristiano viejo]

Obviously NO.

[Konstantinos]

MENA is a geopolitical term. It means nothing in genetics. There are vast differences between different MENA groups.

[Samnium]

Not superior neither inferior.

And I'm not a liberal but it's a stupid question.

[Kamal900]

Not superior neither inferior.

Distance to: Kamal900
0.17205571 EEF
0.18287305 Natufian
0.22421904 CHG
0.23498003 Iran_Neolithic
0.25601935 Yamnaya
0.29087883 Dravidian
0.37933796 EHG
0.39513899 SHG
0.40235911 Iberomaurusian
0.46825258 WHG
0.50016925 Beringian
0.60126377 Rudnaya
0.68928494 Indigenous_South_American
0.71731583 Sub-Saharan

Target: Kamal900
Distance: 2.6837% / 0.02683678
31.6 EEF
28.0 Natufian
20.4 Iran_Neolithic
12.8 CHG
6.2 Yamnaya
0.8 Sub-Saharan
0.2 Dravidian

Distance to: happycow
0.16734981 Natufian
0.17286203 EEF
0.23500120 CHG
0.24282095 Iran_Neolithic
0.26614616 Yamnaya
0.29954025 Dravidian
0.38559135 EHG
0.39101942 Iberomaurusian
0.39826290 SHG
0.46937835 WHG
0.50271732 Beringian
0.60280958 Rudnaya
0.69032431 Indigenous_South_American
0.70474746 Sub-Saharan

Target: happycow
Distance: 2.3184% / 0.02318424
33.0 Natufian
29.0 EEF
18.0 Iran_Neolithic
13.0 CHG
4.8 Yamnaya
2.2 Sub-Saharan

I mean, EEF is a European genetic component and so on, and really, there's nothing remotely special in being middle eastern or whatever.

[happycow]

Distance to: Kamal900
0.17205571 EEF
0.18287305 Natufian
0.22421904 CHG
0.23498003 Iran_Neolithic
0.25601935 Yamnaya
0.29087883 Dravidian
0.37933796 EHG
0.39513899 SHG
0.40235911 Iberomaurusian
0.46825258 WHG
0.50016925 Beringian
0.60126377 Rudnaya
0.68928494 Indigenous_South_American
0.71731583 Sub-Saharan

Target: Kamal900
Distance: 2.6837% / 0.02683678
31.6 EEF
28.0 Natufian
20.4 Iran_Neolithic
12.8 CHG
6.2 Yamnaya
0.8 Sub-Saharan
0.2 Dravidian

Distance to: happycow
0.16734981 Natufian
0.17286203 EEF
0.23500120 CHG
0.24282095 Iran_Neolithic
0.26614616 Yamnaya
0.29954025 Dravidian
0.38559135 EHG
0.39101942 Iberomaurusian
0.39826290 SHG
0.46937835 WHG
0.50271732 Beringian
0.60280958 Rudnaya
0.69032431 Indigenous_South_American
0.70474746 Sub-Saharan

Target: happycow
Distance: 2.3184% / 0.02318424
33.0 Natufian
29.0 EEF
18.0 Iran_Neolithic
13.0 CHG
4.8 Yamnaya
2.2 Sub-Saharan

I mean, EEF is a European genetic component and so on, and really, there's nothing remotely special in being middle eastern or whatever.

You have practically no nigga. Unlike me :(

[Mingle]

On reddit it seems like everyone is so proud of having MENA percentages in their results, especially Southern Europeans like Italian, Greeks, Spanish. It’s like MENA DNA is the “cool” thing to have now lol.

That's weird. Its the opposite here.

[TheMaestro]

Nah, MENA’s used to be respected before all those terorist stuff began, nowaydays not at all.

[Kamilla13]

Nothing is superior or inferior.
It's up to individuals.

Now from the Nordicists , are we going to jump to MENA-ists. Lol ...Why I'm I not sleeping yet? Good night :lightbul:

[Nassbean]

Not superior neither inferior.

And I'm not a liberal but it's a stupid question.

I thought north africans were biologically less smart and more prone to commit crimes than your people ....

[Kamal900]

Nah, MENA’s used to be respected before all those terorist stuff began, nowaydays not at all.

Also, due to the migration crisis as well, yeah.

[Luso]

No DNA is superior or inferior.

[Marmara]

Yes

[TheMaestro]

Also, due to the migration crisis as well, yeah.

Ye true, I remember as a kid when we talked about Arabs we talked about hot climate, intresting places, mysterious culture, you know like in a very respectfuk and positive way. Nowaydays it’s so negative you cant imagine, even muslims in general are automatically discriminated or arabs always viewed so bad. I think this is actually the reason of recent OWD phase of people that dont want to look exotic.

[TheMaestro]

No DNA is superior or inferior.


Imo subsaharan is pretty superior in terms of appearance, even small dosage is already visible in ones look.

[Luso]

Imo subsaharan is pretty superior in terms of appearance, even small dosage is already visible in ones look.

oh, you're talking about dominant vs recessive.

[Cristiano viejo]

Imo subsaharan is pretty superior in terms of appearance, even small dosage is already visible in ones look.

Of appearance?? Well, yes, but overall in terms of intelligence, or better said, the lack of it.

[Adamm]

Distance to: Kamal900
0.17205571 EEF
0.18287305 Natufian
0.22421904 CHG
0.23498003 Iran_Neolithic
0.25601935 Yamnaya
0.29087883 Dravidian
0.37933796 EHG
0.39513899 SHG
0.40235911 Iberomaurusian
0.46825258 WHG
0.50016925 Beringian
0.60126377 Rudnaya
0.68928494 Indigenous_South_American
0.71731583 Sub-Saharan

Target: Kamal900
Distance: 2.6837% / 0.02683678
31.6 EEF
28.0 Natufian
20.4 Iran_Neolithic
12.8 CHG
6.2 Yamnaya
0.8 Sub-Saharan
0.2 Dravidian

Distance to: happycow
0.16734981 Natufian
0.17286203 EEF
0.23500120 CHG
0.24282095 Iran_Neolithic
0.26614616 Yamnaya
0.29954025 Dravidian
0.38559135 EHG
0.39101942 Iberomaurusian
0.39826290 SHG
0.46937835 WHG
0.50271732 Beringian
0.60280958 Rudnaya
0.69032431 Indigenous_South_American
0.70474746 Sub-Saharan

Target: happycow
Distance: 2.3184% / 0.02318424
33.0 Natufian
29.0 EEF
18.0 Iran_Neolithic
13.0 CHG
4.8 Yamnaya
2.2 Sub-Saharan

I mean, EEF is a European genetic component and so on, and really, there's nothing remotely special in being middle eastern or whatever.

I'm closer to the Natufian than you are, how does that make sense?

[TheMaestro]

Of appearance?? Well, yes, but overall in terms of intelligence, or better said, the lack of it.

Yeah, appearance. Subsaharans are not the brightest bunch.

[Samnium]

I thought north africans were biologically less smart and more prone to commit crimes than your people ....

Well, there are differences in intelligence between different human groups, it's undeniable. As well, for NAs in France they are over-represented on delicts and crimes for their number. We know also that genetics is linked to behavioral patterns.

But it's a dumb question because "MENA" is a meaningless term. Also, recognizing the differences don't mean that necessarily that you will larp as a "superior european", I just want that Europe stays as it is : for Europeans, also being an ancient history passionate, I don't miss to say that Ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, ancient Anatolia, Coastal Levant had great civilizations.

[TheMaestro]

oh, you're talking about dominant vs recessive.


Yeah, I literally wrote the are superior in appearance traits.

[Kamal900]

I'm closer to the Natufian than you are, how does that make sense?

I guess more higher neolithic-Iranian and Yamnaya.

[Adamm]

I guess more higher neolithic-Iranian and Yamnaya.

I always thought a Palestinian or Levantine would be closer to Natufians than a North African, I Waz a natufian :cool:

[Nassbean]

Well, there are differences in intelligence between different human groups, it's undeniable. As well, for NAs in France they are over-represented on delicts and crimes for their number. We know also that genetics is linked to behavioral patterns.

But it's a dumb question because "MENA" is a meaningless term. Also, recognizing the differences don't mean that necessarily that you will larp as a "superior european", I just want that Europe stays as it is : for Europeans, also being an ancient history passionate, I don't miss to say that Ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, ancient Anatolia, Coastal Levant had great civilizations.

No you're wrong there are no studies who says that some human groups are smarter than others ....they say that intelligence can also be influenced by your genes (that does not imply ethnicity). And yes NAs are over-represented when it comes to crimes but these same NAs are represented by millions of people and the explanations are not biological but socio-economic.

Do you think people who live here have equal chances and opportunities :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tfNkjth8VQ


If it's biological why are south italians so prone to commit crimes ? :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K8PiTvx1Jg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfIpIL5WFUk


And again if it's biological why did egyptians built such a great civilization while their berber neighbours were insignificant ?

[Demhat]

Idk, redditors are mostly hardcore liberals,
untrue, they are pretty normal people. Your perception has been distorted by anthro-board members.



they are probably happy for any nonwhite ancestry they can get their hands on... Or they just want a piece of the Umayyad legacy :muslimcomputer:

They are not looking forward to have "Middle Eastern" Dna (as if they don't have it anyways). They just don't jump up in horror, like if they have encountered a giant spider, when they see it pop up in 23anMe results.

[Samnium]

I always thought a Palestinian or Levantine would be closer to Natufians than a North African, I Waz a natufian :cool:

He has high EEF and some Steppe that shows up :thumb001:

I'm still impressed after all these results that I've seen that a palestinian guy can be 35-40% Ancient European (like many Levantines).

[Kamal900]

I always thought a Palestinian or Levantine would be closer to Natufians than a North African, I Waz a natufian :cool:

Well you gotta remember that the middle east is a diverse region and so on, and geographically we're very close to one another in contrast to the Maghreb region that is isolated from the middle east hence why Berbers and their Arabized kin are genetically had preserved more archaic genes than say the Levant due to the migrations from Anatolia and Iran in the Bronze age period which made the Canaanites more west Asiatic shifted than their early bronze age counterparts who cluster the closest to modern day Saudis and BedouinB peoples than to today's Levantines.

[Kamal900]

He has high EEF and some Steppe that shows up :thumb001:

I'm still impressed after all these results that I've seen that a palestinian guy can be 35-40% Ancient European (like many Levantines).

It also explains why me and my family look..well, light or pseudo-Southern Europeans and so on.

[Demhat]

Nah, MENA’s used to be respected before all those terorist stuff began, nowaydays not at all.

I can confirm that, especially Italians know how the Roman history is connected to MENA. I have never in my life encountered an Italian who talked or looked at someone from the Middle East in a disrespectful or "superior" manner. When they show discomfort, it is usually based on more modern issues such as terrorism or theft issues with minorities of certan ethnic groups.

[Adamm]

I can confirm that, especially Italians know how the Roman history is connected to MENA. I have never in my life encountered an Italian who talked or looked at someone from the Middle East in a disrespectful or "superior" manner. When they show discomfort, it is usually based on more modern issues such as terrorism or theft issues.

Migration crisis, wars in the middle east, terrorism and that all within a spawn of 15 years.... Of course it makes ppl negative towards MENA people, I can't blame them.

[Demhat]

I'm closer to the Natufian than you are, how does that make sense?

What is your ethnicity.

[Adamm]

What is your ethnicity.

Moroccan berber.

[Dr_Maul]

It also explains why me and my family look..well, light or pseudo-Southern Europeans and so on.

What calc is that? Do u need G25 coordinates for it?

[Samnium]

And again if it's biological why did egyptians built such a great civilization while their berber neighbours were insignificant ?

I don't reduce it to biology, but genetics plays a great role on shaping intelligence, since the mapping of the entire human genome, 20 years ago, progress in that areas have been very important. Just an example, hundreds of genes linked to intelligence :

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2163484-found-more-than-500-genes-that-are-linked-to-intelligence/

Something like 50% of professionnal US anthropologists/biologists consider that intelligence is mostly inherited (official poll I can find again the link). Now sure epigenetics and environment plays a role. Nobody has denied that.

Well, socio-economical setting can't explain entirely these differences. As I've said, lower "intelligence" (I'm not necessarily talking about IQ that's a very overestimated thing, but others indicators) induces generally more agressivity/people more prone to commit crimes, I can send you all the studies if you want.

I'm not either reducing civilizations to that, climate, geography, geology play a great role in establishing a civilization but to grow you need people sufficiently intelligent.

As for Southern Italians, I think you're vastly exagerating, Naples is a special case, in the area where my grd-parents come, I've never heard or seen a "mafia" thing, despite being in the same region (Calabria) as N'dringheta. Generally speaking these are discreet, they do their businesses secretly.

You can compare Italo-Americans crime level, very low, and most of them come from Southern Italy and aren't still that mixed (I've many cousins there that are stil 100% italian).

[Nassbean]

He has high EEF and some Steppe that shows up :thumb001:

I'm still impressed after all these results that I've seen that a palestinian guy can be 35-40% Ancient European (like many Levantines).

that still doesn't explain it ...have you seen my results ? Despite having more EEF and steppe ancestry I'm still closer to natufians than him lol

[happycow]

It also explains why me and my family look..well, light or pseudo-Southern Europeans and so on.

My iran neolithic is stronk :cool:

[Dr_Maul]

untrue, they are pretty normal people. Your perception has been distorted by anthro-board members.




They are not looking forward to have "Middle Eastern" Dna (as if they don't have it anyways). They just don't jump up in horror, like if they have encountered a giant spider, when they see it pop up in 23anMe results.

Honestly, I have not been active on Reddit but according to many people it is primarily a liberal website. I may be wrong however, like you pointed out. And to be honest, for people who are not really into anthro stuff, they probably find it interesting to have many ethnicities, for uniqueness etc.

[Kamal900]

My iran neolithic is stronk :cool:

You're basically the Palestinian version of Prince of Persia, rofl.

[Samnium]

It also explains why me and my family look..well, light or pseudo-Southern Europeans and so on.

Some years ago I would never thought that Levantines could be that related

[Adamm]

that still doesn't explain it ...have you seen my results ? Despite having more EEF and steppe ancestry I'm still closer to natufians than him lol

Can you post yours here? I want to compare it to mine.

[Kamal900]

What calc is that? Do u need G25 coordinates for it?

Here's the thread, brah:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321836-G25-Are-you-closer-to-EEF-Yamnaya-or-other-ancient-populations

Yes, you do need the coordinates.

[Babak]

Neither.

Theres's nothing superior about dna.

[Samnium]

I can confirm that, especially Italians know how the Roman history is connected to MENA. I have never in my life encountered an Italian who talked or looked at someone from the Middle East in a disrespectful or "superior" manner. When they show discomfort, it is usually based on more modern issues such as terrorism or theft issues with minorities of certan ethnic groups.

IRL, Italians don't care about all these things on anthroboards, like who's lighter, who's closer to Turkey, are you closer to Morocco or to Inuits, all these meaningless things that I still wait to see outside TA.

[Kamal900]

Some years ago I would never thought that Levantines could be that related

Well, the older studies on Levantines stated that they're the closest non-Europeans to the European peoples as a whole along with some other groups in West Asia and so on. The G25 pretty much cements that notion.

[Nassbean]

I don't reduce it to biology, but genetics plays a great role on shaping intelligence, since the mapping of the entire human genome, 20 years ago, progress in that areas have been very important. Just an example, hundreds of genes linked to intelligence :

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2163484-found-more-than-500-genes-that-are-linked-to-intelligence/

Something like 50% of professionnal US anthropologists/biologists consider that intelligence is mostly inherited (official poll I can find again the link). Now sure epigenetics and environment plays a role. Nobody has denied that.

Well, socio-economical setting can't explain entirely these differences. As I've said, lower "intelligence" (I'm not necessarily talking about IQ that's a very overestimated thing, but others indicators) induces generally more agressivity/people more prone to commit crimes, I can send you all the studies if you want.

I'm not either reducing civilizations to that, climate, geography, geology play a great role in establishing a civilization but to grow you need people sufficiently intelligent.

As for Southern Italians, I think you're vastly exagerating, Naples is a special case, in the area where my grd-parents come, I've never heard or seen a "mafia" thing, despite being in the same region (Calabria) as N'dringheta. Generally speaking these are discreet, they do their businesses secretly.

You can compare Italo-Americans crime level, very low, and most of them come from Southern Italy and aren't still that mixed (I've many cousins there that are stil 100% italian).

You still don't understand me and what you read :picard1: I've never denied the genetic factor but none of these studies conclude that "X" ethnicity is genetically predisposed to be smarter than "y" ethnicity. Find me one study who shows a correlation with ethnicity
Also show me that maghrebis are biologically programmed to be more agressive ...I'm pretty sure it's cultural and has nothing to do with genes.

[Dr_Maul]

Here's the thread, brah:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321836-G25-Are-you-closer-to-EEF-Yamnaya-or-other-ancient-populations

Yes, you do need the coordinates.

Thanks, I gotta keep these threads bookmarked until July (Damn you Davidski!! :banghead::comp26: )

[Nassbean]

Can you post yours here? I want to compare it to mine.

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 3.1424% / 0.03142378
42.6 EEF
26.2 Iberomaurusian
13.6 Yamnaya
7.6 Natufian
6.8 Sub-Saharan
1.6 Iran_Neolithic
1.6 WHG

[Samnium]

Well, the older studies on Levantines stated that they're the closest non-Europeans to the European peoples as a whole along with some other groups in West Asia and so on. The G25 pretty much cements that notion.

Some years ago I wasn't into genetics, that's why, it completely changed how I view many ethnicities

[Adamm]

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 3.1424% / 0.03142378
42.6 EEF
26.2 Iberomaurusian
13.6 Yamnaya
7.6 Natufian
6.8 Sub-Saharan
1.6 Iran_Neolithic
1.6 WHG

Also the distances, thanks.

[Nassbean]

Also the distances, thanks.

Distance to: Nassbean_scaled
0.16338678 Natufian
0.20212452 EEF
0.29084425 Iberomaurusian
0.30826327 Yamnaya
0.31888035 CHG
0.32372365 Iran_Neolithic
0.34516517 Dravidian
0.39441483 SHG
0.39771324 EHG
0.44884795 WHG
0.51122285 Beringian
0.61216294 Rudnaya
0.63501664 Sub-Saharan
0.69915170 Indigenous_South_American

[Eline]

No, only the ancient Nortwest Asiatic Sumerian (civilization DNA) was superior to anybody else, modern is mixed to much with the much more inferior stuff.

[Kamal900]

Distance to: Nassbean_scaled
0.16338678 Natufian
0.20212452 EEF
0.29084425 Iberomaurusian
0.30826327 Yamnaya
0.31888035 CHG
0.32372365 Iran_Neolithic
0.34516517 Dravidian
0.39441483 SHG
0.39771324 EHG
0.44884795 WHG
0.51122285 Beringian
0.61216294 Rudnaya
0.63501664 Sub-Saharan
0.69915170 Indigenous_South_American

Looks like I'm the closest MENA member here to the EEF.
Distance to: Kamal900
0.17205571 EEF
0.18287305 Natufian
0.22421904 CHG
0.23498003 Iran_Neolithic
0.25601935 Yamnaya
0.29087883 Dravidian
0.37933796 EHG
0.39513899 SHG
0.40235911 Iberomaurusian
0.46825258 WHG
0.50016925 Beringian
0.60126377 Rudnaya
0.68928494 Indigenous_South_American
0.71731583 Sub-Saharan

[Adamm]

Looks like I'm the closest MENA member here to the EEF.
Distance to: Kamal900
0.17205571 EEF
0.18287305 Natufian
0.22421904 CHG
0.23498003 Iran_Neolithic
0.25601935 Yamnaya
0.29087883 Dravidian
0.37933796 EHG
0.39513899 SHG
0.40235911 Iberomaurusian
0.46825258 WHG
0.50016925 Beringian
0.60126377 Rudnaya
0.68928494 Indigenous_South_American
0.71731583 Sub-Saharan

And I the closest to Natufian?

Distance to: Adam_scaled
0.14511689 Natufian
0.20053557 EEF
0.28749827 Iberomaurusian
0.31700996 Yamnaya
0.31957270 CHG
0.32453002 Iran_Neolithic
0.35495603 Dravidian
0.39978150 SHG
0.40559831 EHG
0.45342933 WHG
0.51432104 Beringian
0.61216428 Rudnaya
0.64458326 Sub-Saharan
0.69889144 Indigenous_South_American

[Kamal900]

And I the closest to Natufian?

Distance to: Adam_scaled
0.14511689 Natufian
0.20053557 EEF
0.28749827 Iberomaurusian
0.31700996 Yamnaya
0.31957270 CHG
0.32453002 Iran_Neolithic
0.35495603 Dravidian
0.39978150 SHG
0.40559831 EHG
0.45342933 WHG
0.51432104 Beringian
0.61216428 Rudnaya
0.64458326 Sub-Saharan
0.69889144 Indigenous_South_American

God damn, son. Yeah, rofl. Here's the results of the averaged groups of Saudis, BedouinB, Palestinians and North Moroccans.

Distance to: Egyptian
0.14091794 Natufian
0.20405075 EEF
0.27261000 Iran_Neolithic
0.28049993 CHG
0.30846152 Yamnaya
0.31989749 Dravidian
0.33481951 Iberomaurusian
0.41309881 EHG
0.42315712 SHG
0.48641087 WHG
0.50996929 Beringian
0.60333486 Rudnaya
0.64207421 Sub-Saharan
0.69813017 Indigenous_South_American

Distance to: Moroccan_North
0.15618300 Natufian
0.21017638 EEF
0.27673733 Iberomaurusian
0.31989029 Yamnaya
0.32342498 CHG
0.32854632 Iran_Neolithic
0.35241427 Dravidian
0.40311542 SHG
0.40721330 EHG
0.45623623 WHG
0.51260217 Beringian
0.60922122 Rudnaya
0.62898037 Sub-Saharan
0.70021761 Indigenous_South_American

Distance to: Palestinian
0.15954829 Natufian
0.17703031 EEF
0.24380249 CHG
0.24508547 Iran_Neolithic
0.27137429 Yamnaya
0.30190936 Dravidian
0.38545133 Iberomaurusian
0.38827287 EHG
0.40233794 SHG
0.47332112 WHG
0.50382801 Beringian
0.60257985 Rudnaya
0.69315621 Indigenous_South_American
0.69822836 Sub-Saharan

Distance to: Saudi
0.10777985 Natufian
0.20972989 EEF
0.28919603 Iran_Neolithic
0.30378481 CHG
0.32890954 Yamnaya
0.34502586 Dravidian
0.38459470 Iberomaurusian
0.43286010 EHG
0.43994217 SHG
0.50278409 WHG
0.53440371 Beringian
0.62375583 Rudnaya
0.71448139 Indigenous_South_American
0.72070274 Sub-Saharan

Distance to: BedouinB
0.10230838 Natufian
0.20852144 EEF
0.29160408 Iran_Neolithic
0.30565788 CHG
0.32994263 Yamnaya
0.34833022 Dravidian
0.37685378 Iberomaurusian
0.43330231 EHG
0.43918646 SHG
0.50133341 WHG
0.53524067 Beringian
0.62517457 Rudnaya
0.71322462 Sub-Saharan
0.71483741 Indigenous_South_American

https://i.ibb.co/wgjb8n3/2020-05-05-06-58-28-g25vahaduo-genetics-ovh-0cfbf81e4e02.png

As you can see, the peoples today that cluster the closest to the ancient Natufians are the native Arabians like Saudis and BedouinB(pure Arabian bedouins) groups.

[Demhat]

Well, there are differences in intelligence between different human groups, it's undeniable. As well, for NAs in France they are over-represented on delicts and crimes for their number. We know also that genetics is linked to behavioral patterns.



DNA does not determine the lvl of intelligence. However the borders are set by enviornment and culture. DNA might influence certain behavioral patterns, but enviornment increases these patterns heavily.

I am not someone who believea certain DNA is much superior to other, but I am believer in the theory that certain cultures are superior to others. For example I do not consider certain cultures that use body parts for woodo magic as equal to others.

Also logic should tell someone people in war torn and poorer countries with a much higher percentage of illiterates, will automatically score worse in IQ tests or other school related things. wealthy people have generally better access to resources

[Demhat]

I always thought a Palestinian or Levantine would be closer to Natufians than a North African, I Waz a natufian :cool:

If you are North African than this makes sense. iberomaurusian are described as predominantly Natufian derived + some ancient West African dna. Levant Neolithic on the other hand is 50-50% Natufian/Anatolian_Neo. And modern Levantines are predominantly Levant_Chl derived which also includes some (~20%) Iran_Neo DNA.

[Tauromachos]

Lol realy?

Here in TA it seems the opposite at least as far as South European posters are concerned

[Kamal900]

If you are North African than this makes sense. iberomaurusian are described as predominantly Natufian derived + some ancient West African dna. Levant Neolithic on the other hand is 50-50% Natufian/Anatolian_Neo. And modern Levantines are predominantly Levant_Chl derived which also includes some Iran_Neo DNA.

Indeed.

[Nassbean]

If you are North African than this makes sense. iberomaurusian are described as predominantly Natufian derived + some ancient West African dna. Levant Neolithic on the other hand is 50-50% Natufian/Anatolian_Neo. And modern Levantines are predominantly Levant_Chl derived which also includes some Iran_Neo DNA.

well not really this has been debunked recently In reality it's iberomaurusians who spreaded their genes in the levant not the other way around :

"Moreover, our model predicts that West Africans (represented by Yoruba) had 12.5±1.1% ancestry from a Taforalt-related group rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source11; this may have mediated the limited Neanderthal admixture present in West Africans23. An advantage of our model is that it allows for a local North African component in the ancestry of Taforalt, rather than deriving them exclusively from Levantine and Sub-Saharan sources."

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full


also Specialist like Gabriel Camps already insisted on the fact that there are no antropological documents between Palestine and Tunisia who can support this near eastern origin and moreover natufians differ significantly from Iberomaurusians

[Demhat]

"Moreover, our model predicts that West Africans (represented by Yoruba) had 12.5±1.1% ancestry from a Taforalt-related group rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source11; this may have mediated the limited Neanderthal admixture present in West Africans23. An advantage of our model is that it allows for a local North African component in the ancestry of Taforalt, rather than deriving them exclusively from Levantine and Sub-Saharan sources."

WHat you have quoted there says very much what I wrote. the words "not exclusively" should make us understand that it is Natufian DNA in North Africa. They don't deny it. WHat they are saying is, These Natufians did not mix with a Sub Saharan source but with a local Northwest African genetic source.

If you noticed this is why I tried to avoid the usage of the term Sub Saharan but instead used "West African". And this ancient Northwest African source might had already some Natufian related genes. But still at least half if not the majority of the genes in Northwest Africa came directly from the Levant via the Natufians.

Your source also says nothing about it being the "other way around". It only points out that in Northwest Africa a local population existed that resembled the Natufians.

[Avicii86]

I don't reduce it to biology, but genetics plays a great role on shaping intelligence, since the mapping of the entire human genome, 20 years ago, progress in that areas have been very important. Just an example, hundreds of genes linked to intelligence :

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2163484-found-more-than-500-genes-that-are-linked-to-intelligence/

Something like 50% of professionnal US anthropologists/biologists consider that intelligence is mostly inherited (official poll I can find again the link). Now sure epigenetics and environment plays a role. Nobody has denied that.

Well, socio-economical setting can't explain entirely these differences. As I've said, lower "intelligence" (I'm not necessarily talking about IQ that's a very overestimated thing, but others indicators) induces generally more agressivity/people more prone to commit crimes, I can send you all the studies if you want.

I'm not either reducing civilizations to that, climate, geography, geology play a great role in establishing a civilization but to grow you need people sufficiently intelligent.

As for Southern Italians, I think you're vastly exagerating, Naples is a special case, in the area where my grd-parents come, I've never heard or seen a "mafia" thing, despite being in the same region (Calabria) as N'dringheta. Generally speaking these are discreet, they do their businesses secretly.

You can compare Italo-Americans crime level, very low, and most of them come from Southern Italy and aren't still that mixed (I've many cousins there that are stil 100% italian).
I see southern Italians on reddit who get up to 20% MENA DNA, and people celebrate it on there. I believe this might be a ploy to make Italians more “exotic”. Most MENA DNA in Italy is ancient and would not show up in such large amounts.

[Demhat]

also Specialist like Gabriel Camps already insisted on the fact that there are no antropological documents between Palestine and Tunisia who can support this near eastern origin and moreover natufians differ significantly from Iberomaurusians

My friend if Natufians and Iberomaurusians differed from each other significantly and there was no genetic link between the Levant and Tunisia. Than you wouldn't see Northwest Africans match very well with Natufians. Obviously there is a link. And the people who made the original study (those who actually sequents the Iberomaurisian DNA) wouldn't say that there is one.

[SilverKnight]

As "cool" as me having 23 pairs of chromosomes.

[Demhat]

It also explains why me and my family look..well, light or pseudo-Southern Europeans and so on.

genotype does not equal phenotype. Your genes determined the "borders" of your phenotype but these borders are very broad and there is a huge interval for your phenotype. Someone with 100% Natufian could look like someone you would expect with Anatolian_Neo DNA to look like. Just like you don't need SHG/WHG to have Blonde Hair.

[Nassbean]

WHat you have quoted there says very much what I wrote. the words "not exclusively" should make us understand that it is Natufian DNA in North Africa. They don't deny it. WHat they are saying is, These Natufians did not mix with a Sub Saharan source but with a local Northwest African genetic source.

If you noticed this is why I tried to avoid the usage of the term Sub Saharan but instead used "West African". And this ancient Northwest African source might had already some Natufian related genes. But still at least half if not the majority of the genes in Northwest Africa came directly from the Levant via the Natufians.

Your source also says nothing about it being the "other way around". It only points out that in Northwest Africa a local population existed that resembled the Natufians.

My friend if Natufians and Iberomaurusians differed from each other significantly and there was no genetic link between the Levant and Tunisia. Than you wouldn't see Northwest Africans match very well with Natufians. Obviously there is a link. And the people who made the original study (those who actually sequents the Iberomaurisian DNA) wouldn't say that there is one.


ok then look at this :


Our co-modeling of Epipaleolithic Natufians and Ibero-Maurusians from Taforalt confirms that the Taforalt population was mixed11, but instead of specifying gene flow from the ancestors of Natufians into the ancestors of Taforalt as originally reported, we infer gene flow in the reverse direction (into Natufians). The Neolithic population from Morocco, closely related to Taforalt17 is also consistent with being descended from the source of this gene flow, and appears to have no admixture from the Levantine Neolithic (Supplementary Information section 3). If our model is correct, Epipaleolithic Natufians trace part of their ancestry to North Africa, consistent with morphological and archaeological studies that indicate a spread of morphological features22 and artifacts from North Africa into the Near East. Such a scenario would also explain the presence of Y-chromosome haplogroup E in the Natufians and Levantine farmers6, a common link between the Levant and Africa.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full

thanks.

[Latinus]

Not superior and neither inferior, it just is.

[Tauromachos]

I am not someone who believea certain DNA is much superior to other, but I am believer in the theory that certain cultures are superior to others. For example I do not consider certain cultures that use body parts for woodo magic as equal to others.

Agree here



Also logic should tell someone people in war torn and poorer countries with a much higher percentage of illiterates, will automatically score worse in IQ tests or other school related things. wealthy people have generally better access to resources

Exactly

[Demhat]

ok then look at this :



https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full

thanks.

The source you show does not say the Natufians descend from Taforalts. It says Natufians got possibly some of their genes from North Africa. That is something we already know and knew since years. Also if you noticed they say North Africa not Taforalts. That is because this North African DNA is from the region around Egypt.


The Neolithic population from Morocco, closely related to Taforalt17 is also consistent with being descended from the source of this gene flow,

This is why they say descend from the source of this geneflow. But your sources also keeps going by saying the Neolithic population of Morocco, closely related to Taforalt17 and not exclusively descend of it. This alone points us to understand there was another geneflow into Neolithic Morocco that altered the DNA. And if we consider that modern Northwest Africans score closer to Natufians, it must be from a Natufian like population possibly from Egypt or close by Israel/Palestine. Take in mind Natufians are not Levant_Neo. Natufian is like 70% Taforalt source (Egypt/South Levant) + 30% Anatolian_H&G derived.

In short, in Egypt and the South Levant a population resides that is predominantly yDNA E1. These guys get admixture from Anatolian_H&G like people and they form the Natufians in the South Levant. At the same time a Proto Talofart people move from Egypt into Northwest Africa.
But with time going there is still gradient geneflow from the East which starts to resemble Natufians more. This is why Neolithic Morrocans, despite being most similar to Taforlats are not exactly the same. since they got additional geneflow from a Natufian like source. That is why your source speaks about "not exclusively" Levant origin. "Not exclusively" usually indiciates that there is some significant admixture nevertheless.

[Nassbean]

The source you show does not say the Natufians descend from Taforalts. It says Natufians got some of their genes from North Africa. That is something we already know and knew since years. Also if you noticed they say North Africa not Taforalts. That is because this North African DNA is from the region around Egypt.



This is why they say descend from the source of this geneflow. But your sources also keeps going by saying the Neolithic population of Morocco, closely related to Taforalt17 and not exclusively descend of it. This alone points us to understand there was another geneflow into Neolithic Morocco that altered the DNA. And if we consider that modern Northwest Africans score closer to Natufians, it must be from a Natufian like population possibly from Egypt or close by Israel/Palestine. (take in mind Natufians are not Levant_Neo).

In short, in Egypt and the South Levant a population resides that is predominantly E1. These guys get admixture from Anatolian_H&G like people and they form the Natufians in the South Levant. At the same time a Proto Talofart people move from Egypt into Northwest Africa.
But with time going there is still gradient geneflow from the East which starts to resemble Natufians more. This is why Neolithic Morrocans, despite being most similar to Taforlats are not exactly the same. since they got additional geneflow from a Natufian like source. That is why your source speaks about "not exclusively" Levant origin. "Not exclusively" usually indiciates that there is some significant admixture nevertheless.

You're confused : Iberomaurusians are absolutely not from Egypt and no iberomaurusian culture was found in Egypt. Secondly I was talking about iberomaurusians and their genetic composition ...we already know that modern north africans mainly descend from a near eastern population (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsian_culture) who were the real proto-berbers but taforalt people still make 1/3 of our DNA.

In conclusion : saying that north africans are mainly natufian-like or that iberomaurusians descend from them is totally wrong. I've posted my results my natufian is very low

[Demhat]

Also the fact that Northwest Africans speak an Afro_Asiatic language and we know this family evolved somewhere between South_Levant and Egypt, proves that there must be genetic influx from the East into Northwest Africa.

[Babak]

We have officially reached a top tier level of autism.

[AncientGreek]

I see southern Italians on reddit who get up to 20% MENA DNA, and people celebrate it on there. I believe this might be a ploy to make Italians more “exotic”. Most MENA DNA in Italy is ancient and would not show up in such large amounts.

Wait... are you suggesting that they are fake results? Or that 23andme is giving too much WANA to South Italians?

[Avicii86]

Wait... are you suggesting that they are fake results? Or that 23andme is giving too much WANA to South Italians?

I am not saying they are 'fake' results, just that most of the WANA they give to south Italians is ancient, not recent

[Peterski]

Or that 23andme is giving too much WANA

Too much WANA-be.

[Demhat]

You're confused : Iberomaurusians are absolutely not from Egypt and no iberomaurusian culture was found in Egypt.


DNA in hand, Van de Loosdrecht and Choongwon Jeong, also ​of SHH, were able to analyze genetic material from the cell’s nucleus in five people and the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA from seven people. But they found no genetic tie to ancient Europeans. Instead, the ancient Iberomaurusians appear to be related to Middle Easterners and other Africans: They shared about two-thirds of their genetic ancestry with Natufians, hunter-gatherers who lived in the Middle East 14,500 to 11,000 years ago,

The Iberomaurusians lived before the Natufians, but they were not their direct ancestors: The Natufians lack DNA from Africa, Krause says. This suggests that both groups inherited their shared DNA from a larger population that lived in North Africa or the Middle East more than 15,000 years ago, the team reports today in Science.

Both my and your source are clearly talking about the Iberomaurisians when they say "it" grew out from the same source as the ancestors of the Natufians. Taforalt => descend from pre Natufian South Levant/Egyptian H&Gs + 1/3 of ancient West African H&G DNA.

Or do you believe a 70% genetically identical population to Natufians evolved independently in Northwest Africa?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/03/oldest-dna-africa-offers-clues-mysterious-ancient-culture

[AncientGreek]

Well it certainly is older than the 500 years they claim to show in reports but it's not super ancient. At least it's not AncestryDNA which I've seen give a Cypriot 60% Italian because they took the opposite route (calling legitimate west Asian 'Italian'). Short of completely changing the categories they currently have, I don't see how they can solve the issue.

[Nassbean]

Both my and your source are clearly talking about the Iberomaurisians when they say "it" grew out from the same source as the ancestors of the Natufians. Taforalt => descend from pre Natufian South Levant/Egyptian H&Gs + 1/3 of ancient West African H&G DNA.

Or do you believe a 70% genetically identical population to Natufians evolved independently in Northwest Africa?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/03/oldest-dna-africa-offers-clues-mysterious-ancient-culture

my source is more recent and corrected yours that's the point.

Here that's also what they say :


Western PGNE populations, including Neolithic Anatolians, pre-pottery Neolithic farmers from the Levant (PPNB), Natufians, and Taforalt, can all be modeled as a mixture of Dzudzuana and additional ‘Deep’ ancestry that may represent an even earlier split than the Basal Eurasians.

this "deep" ancestry in taforalt is ANA (Ancestral North africa). I think You confuse the modern north african profile with iberomaurusians (in reality it's natufians who had iberomaurusian ancestry not the other way around) and later during the neolithic era we see a new culture appearing in the maghreb probably coming from the Near east but iberomaurusians predates them

[Avicii86]

Well it certainly is older than the 500 years they claim to show in reports but it's not super ancient. At least it's not AncestryDNA which I've seen give a Cypriot 60% Italian because they took the opposite route (calling legitimate west Asian 'Italian'). Short of completely changing the categories they currently have, I don't see how they can solve the issue.

I'm sure it would be much more recent for cypriots, since Cyprus is basically in West Asia. Ancestry is notorious for overstating Italian. They did it with me too.

[Avicii86]

Well it certainly is older than the 500 years they claim to show in reports but it's not super ancient. At least it's not AncestryDNA which I've seen give a Cypriot 60% Italian because they took the opposite route (calling legitimate west Asian 'Italian'). Short of completely changing the categories they currently have, I don't see how they can solve the issue.

I'm sure it would be much more recent for cypriots, since Cyprus is basically in West Asia. Ancestry is notorious for overstating Italian. They did it with me too.

[yamagi]

Only West, North and East Europeans are genetically European and even they have significant amounts of West Asian ancestry, even if it's not recent admixture.

[Konstantinos]

Only West, North and East Europeans are genetically European and even they have significant amounts of West Asian ancestry, even if it's not recent admixture.

This is off-topic, but regardless bullshit is bullshit.

[InfamousAngel99]

There is no superior ethnicity, so no, they're not, lmao.

[Daos777]

No only pure Yamnaya genes are superior. Also Mechtoids Iberomaurusians. Everyone else is a wog.

[Morena]

Superior? No. It's just that nowadays people hate being white because they've been brainwashed against being European by those who hate us using the Media and their role in Academia.

[Aileron]

İ dont think we are superior..

[Swarthy_Syndicate]

MENA is pretty alpha TBH. Intimidating looks, badass culture, etc. They are the perfect bridge between Euros and those shitskin South Asians

[Badr madani]

I always thought a Palestinian or Levantine would be closer to Natufians than a North African, I Waz a natufian :cool:

Are you still a natufian ?

[LittleDarkAge]

If that's the case, shouldn't European countries be getting better and better as Semites flock to them?

[MercifulServant]

No

[Alexandro]

MENA is pretty alpha TBH. Intimidating looks, badass culture, etc. They are the perfect bridge between Euros and those shitskin South Asians

You know, I have gotten the very slight impression from your posts that you are not exactly the....biggest fan of South Asians xD. Is there a reason why, in particular?

[catgeorge]

MENA have been subjugated by Greeks for millenias due to their subhumanity.

[Aldaris]

You know, I have gotten the very slight impression from your posts that you are not exactly the....biggest fan of South Asians xD. Is there a reason why, in particular?

:laugh:

[Cristiano viejo]

If that's the case, shouldn't European countries be getting better and better as Semites flock to them?
Spanish Golden Era started when we expelled Moors and Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Golden_Age

[Tauromachos]

MENA have been subjugated by Greeks for millenias due to their subhumanity.

It was more the Romans who did that

[Leto]

No only pure Yamnaya genes are superior. Also Mechtoids Iberomaurusians. Everyone else is a wog.
To me a Baltic/Caucasian mix would probably be the best combo. But not North Caucasian, I'd say Georgian/Latvian or Abkhasian/Lithuanian. Such a person wouldn't be brown (may as well be pretty light) and would have pronounced Caucasoid features. Full Georgians have little to no Steppe and full Baltics have little to know "Southern Caucasoid" in them. But the mix would be very balanced, sort of Yamnaya-style (so you can guess what type of Y-DNA they should preferably have).

[Adamm]

Are you still a natufian ?

Natufians or a Natufian culture doesnt exist nowadays, so I never was a Natufian nor did I identified with it.

[chinshen]

MENA have been subjugated by Greeks for millenias due to their subhumanity.

You were subjugated by the Turks for hundreds of years until recently! Was it due to your sub-humanity?

[sanhadji]

maybe those who are proud are jews because they claim middle east is their original homeland


I always thought a Palestinian or Levantine would be closer to Natufians than a North African, I Waz a natufian :cool:

yes i thought that too because levant is believed to be the place where natufians originated but maghrebis are much more natufians than levantines and egyptians


If you are North African than this makes sense. iberomaurusian are described as predominantly Natufian derived + some ancient West African dna. Levant Neolithic on the other hand is 50-50% Natufian/Anatolian_Neo. And modern Levantines are predominantly Levant_Chl derived which also includes some (~20%) Iran_Neo DNA.

natufians is around 20% iberomaurusian which started 20000 years ago while natufians around 12000 years ago


No only pure Yamnaya genes are superior. Also Mechtoids Iberomaurusians. Everyone else is a wog.

some trolls on ancestry forum keep claiming iberomaurusians have high negroid