The most ultimate Hungarian K13 database thus far

[Dunai]

I am finally ready to share in one thread all the hard work I started a while ago: that is, the most comprehensive set of results for Eurogenes K13 calculator of Hungarian samples, broken down on all the major historic regions of the Carpathian Basin. I will initially post screenshots of the tables of content from each region, and will try to collect some more results, hopefully thanks to future contributions to this thread from others, and then, after a little while I will also post the final regional averages. I decided to start with K13 first, since it is the most accurate (even if not perfect) calculator out there for European populations. The way I decided on the regions is taking into account the history of the Hungarian population in the Carpathian Basin, which overlaps on modern country borders, hence I also used mostly cross-border definitions. These are: Transdanubia, Northern Hungary, Alföld, Transylvania and Budapest. I also made two separate categories for two sets of Hungarians, who lived more isolated from the other ones and have a strong self-identity: Székely and Csángó. At the end I plan to post a brand new Hungarian average, that will be based on infinitely more samples than the current one, and should be the most representative.

[Turul Karom]

Very much looking forward to seeing it all!

[17571imre]

I am finally ready to share in one thread all the hard work I started a while ago: that is, the most comprehensive set of results for Eurogenes K13 calculator of Hungarian samples, broken down on all the major historic regions of the Carpathian Basin. I will initially post screenshots of the tables of content from each region, and will try to collect some more results, hopefully thanks to future contributions to this thread from others, and then, after a little while I will also post the final regional averages. I decided to start with K13 first, since it is the most accurate (even if not perfect) calculator out there for European populations. The way I decided on the regions is taking into account the history of the Hungarian population in the Carpathian Basin, which overlaps on modern country borders, hence I also used mostly cross-border definitions. These are: Transdanubia, Northern Hungary, Alföld, Transylvania and Budapest. I also made two separate categories for two sets of Hungarians, who lived more isolated from the other ones and have a strong self-identity: Székely and Csángó. At the end I plan to post a brand new Hungarian average, that will be based on infinitely more samples than the current one, and should be the most representative.

i cant wait! Thankyou Dunai :)

[Dunai]

I will start first with Transdanubia, which will contain Hungarians living in both Southern, Western and Central Transdanubia, including the Hungarian communities from areas which today are in Slovenia, Croatia, Austria and Western Slovakia (Csallóköz):

https://i.imgur.com/kJpgOgQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/6OlnDS6.png

Then I will continue with Northern Hungary, that contains the Northern Hungary region, including most of Southern and Eastern Slovakia and Transcarpathia in Ukraine:

https://i.imgur.com/DNXDIPf.png

And lastly for this time around, Budapest, including Pest County, and I decided to make a separate category for it, since it is a melting pot of many different Hungarians, originating from all historical regions, and also because it doesn't really fit into any other major region, being a little bit of both Transdanubia, Alföld and Northern Hungary:

https://i.imgur.com/KEGOylN.png

https://i.imgur.com/0rjlFwT.png

[Kaspias]

I'm specifically interested in these regions:

-Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg
-Nograd
-Jasz-Nagykun-Szolnok
-Hajdu-Bihar
-Zala

Do you have data regionally specified?

[Dunai]

A few specifications: I already collected the K13 results from current and past Hungarian members of this site, and the reason I won't write anything more specific to each individual is because I got most of this information from private conversations with people, to whom I promised to keep their private data absolutely confidential. Plus I don't believe there is needed the information of village, city, county that they are from, because that's splitting hair way too much, while larger regions is where I believe the focus should rather be.

[vbnetkhio]

I'm specifically interested in these regions:

-Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg
-Nograd
-Jasz-Nagykun-Szolnok
-Hajdu-Bihar
-Zala

Do you have data regionally specified?

i posted some Hungarians with ancestry from there long ago in the old South Slavic and neighbours thread, did you see those?

[Scandal]

A few specifications: I already collected the K13 results from current and past Hungarian members of this site, and the reason I won't write anything more specific to each individual is because I got most of this information from private conversations with people, to whom I promised to keep their private data absolutely confidential. Plus I don't believe there is needed the information of village, city, county that they are from, because that's splitting hair way too much, while larger regions is where I believe the focus should rather be.

Did you include half-hungarian members in this database?

[Dunai]

In this post I will focus on Alföld, which contains both Southern and Northern Hungarian Plain regions, including Partium and Banat regions which are part of Romania and Vojovodina region, which is part of Serbia:

https://i.imgur.com/kZ1WPU7.png

https://i.imgur.com/zjLDTUb.png

https://i.imgur.com/2XMuoiw.png

[Dunai]

Did you include half-hungarian members in this database?

I limited my research on people who have at least 80-85% Hungarian origin, since it is very hard to find people with 90-100% Hungarian ethnic bakground, but I also found many who had no none-Hungarian grandparents.

[Scandal]

I limited my research on people who have at least 80-85% Hungarian origin, since it is very hard to find people with 90-100% Hungarian ethnic bakground, but I also found many who had no none-Hungarian grandparents.

I should have phrased my question differently. Did you include people who have foreign ancestry, like Imre or Mr.G? A Hungarian who has German/Serb/Slovak ancestry from Hungary isn't foreign of course.

Including half Americans, 1/4 dutch and other mixes like Iresselene can skew the avarage. If you add one or two it won't change much of course, but hungarian country avarage result should be based on people who have ancestry only from here, or from other historic hungarian lands(vojvodina, székelyföld etc)

[Scandal]

Also, what are the regional avarages? Should be easy to get from excel.

[Dunai]

And lastly I will post Eastern Hungarian results, starting with the Székely, and in this case I didn't include Maros County, which is only partially part of Székelyföld and many of the locals rather identify as Transylvanian Hungarians, but I did include Bukovina Székelys, who used to live in Suceava County, and fled there from Székelyföld in the 18th century:

https://i.imgur.com/JwveZnC.png

https://i.imgur.com/AW4JTn8.png

Then I will continue with Transylvania, to which besides Maros I also added Máramaros and Szilágy counties, which are only partially part of Partium region:

https://i.imgur.com/Krauq4I.png

And lastly the Csángó people:

https://i.imgur.com/vzrp8Vs.png

[Dunai]

I should have phrased my question differently. Did you include people who have foreign ancestry, like Imre or Mr.G? A Hungarian who has German/Serb/Slovak ancestry from Hungary isn't foreign of course.
Including half Americans, 1/4 dutch and other mixes like Iresselene can skew the avarage. If you add one or two it won't change much of course, but hungarian country avarage result should be based on people who have ancestry only from here, or from other historic hungarian lands(vojvodina, székelyföld etc)

When somebody is 1/4 none-Hungarian I obviously didn't take their results into account, also I only considered people who are little bit mixed with other historical populations of the Carpathian Basin.

[Leto]

Are Hungarians in Ukraine notably more Slavic/Russian-shifted than average?

[Leto]

Sometimes widely divergent results, I must say. Some of them are just like Slovaks and some are very Germanic.

[Dunai]

Are Hungarians in Ukraine notably more Slavic/Russian-shifted than average?

I have barely found such samples, but they are genetically and culturally related to other Northern Hungarian people, who tend to have the most Slavic input from all other Hungarian regions. When in a few days I will post the regional averages all these will be more visible.

[Jana]

Fantastic!

Where will we see average for each region, so they can be added to Vahaduo? :)

[Leto]

I have barely found such samples, but they are genetically and culturally related to other Northern Hungarian people, who tend to have the most Slavic input from all other Hungarian regions. When in a few days I will post the regional averages all these will be more visible.
Yep, Ukraine is a fairly young and fairly artificial state which combined several historically and culturally different regions.
Great job at any rate, very commendable! :thumb001:

[Kaspias]

i posted some Hungarians with ancestry from there long ago in the old South Slavic and neighbours thread, did you see those?

No, can you please link me?

[Blondie]

Sometimes widely divergent results, I must say. Some of them are just like Slovaks and some are very Germanic.

Because Slovakia had significant german population, for example the capital Bratislava was german majority city before 1920, but other big slovak cities were also 1/3 or 1/4 german.

[Dunai]

Fantastic!

Where will we see average for each region, so they can be added to Vahaduo? :)

I have the results ready, however I will wait a few days to see if I could add any more samples from forum contributors. I think we have time to add them to Vahaduo, later it can be based on even more samples.

[17571imre]

I have the results ready, however I will wait a few days to see if I could add any more samples from forum contributors. I think we have time to add them to Vahaduo, later it can be based on even more samples.

can we not try them already out? it does not have to be added to vahaduo right away.

[Leto]

Because Slovakia had significant german population, for example the capital Bratislava was german majority city before 1920, but other big slovak cities were also 1/3 or 1/4 german.
But those aren't Slovak results. Or maybe there is a few ex-Slovaks assimilated into the Hungarians.

[vbnetkhio]

No, can you please link me?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6359259&highlight=hungarian#post6359259
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6359265&highlight=hungarian#post6359265

one of them is deleted, the other is still on gedmatch
email: JUDOMOM47@YAHOO.CA

[Aspirin]

And lastly I will post Eastern Hungarian results, starting with the Székely, and in this case I didn't include Maros County, which is only partially part of Székelyföld and many of the locals rather identify as Transylvanian Hungarians, but I did include Bukovina Székelys, who used to live in Suceava County, and fled there from Székelyföld in the 18th century:

https://i.imgur.com/JwveZnC.png

https://i.imgur.com/AW4JTn8.png

Then I will continue with Transylvania, to which besides Maros I also added Máramaros and Szilágy counties, which are only partially part of Partium region:

https://i.imgur.com/Krauq4I.png

And lastly the Csángó people:

https://i.imgur.com/vzrp8Vs.png

Szekely and Csango looks very mongoloid based on these samples.

[Dunai]

Since I have found many samples of Hungarians to which I couldn't verify exactly from which region are they from, but will still be using their results for the brand new Hungarian average, which will also contain individuals from all regions I already posted, except Székely and Csángó:

https://i.imgur.com/V1Ala9F.png

https://i.imgur.com/I7R1DpF.png

https://i.imgur.com/PA32dJj.png

[Luke35]

Since I have found many samples of Hungarians to which I couldn't verify exactly from which region are they from, but will still be using their results for the brand new Hungarian average, which will also contain individuals from all regions I already posted, except Székely and Csángó:

I was just thinking about how someone like my dad who was half Transdanubian, half Ungvar/Maramaros (Alfold?) could fit into your categories. A 'mixed' Hungarian category makes sense.

[andre]

And lastly I will post Eastern Hungarian results, starting with the Székely, and in this case I didn't include Maros County, which is only partially part of Székelyföld and many of the locals rather identify as Transylvanian Hungarians, but I did include Bukovina Székelys, who used to live in Suceava County, and fled there from Székelyföld in the 18th century:

https://i.imgur.com/JwveZnC.png

https://i.imgur.com/AW4JTn8.png

Then I will continue with Transylvania, to which besides Maros I also added Máramaros and Szilágy counties, which are only partially part of Partium region:

https://i.imgur.com/Krauq4I.png

And lastly the Csángó people:

https://i.imgur.com/vzrp8Vs.png

The Csango from which villages they are from? They are 100% csango?

[Dunai]

The Csango from which villages they are from? They are 100% csango?

Besides what you provided the rest are all Gyimes Csángó, and yes, with the exception of one person who also has Transylvania Hungarian roots, they are 100% Csángó.

[Dunai]

I was just thinking about how someone like my dad who was half Transdanubian, half Ungvar/Maramaros (Alfold?) could fit into your categories. A 'mixed' Hungarian category makes sense.

Yes, there were cases when I did choose for one side when they were also born in the region from where they have at least one parent, but I found many from whom I couldn't even find any regional information, but based on their names and seeing their results, they looked totally Hungarian, so I included them in the general Hungarian group.

[Mingle]

Here is one Hungarian sample I posted before if you're interested: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6359291&viewfull=1#post6359291

I remember posting 1-2 more but can't find them. They're somewhere in the thread but its too huge to navigate through.

[Scandal]

Southern/balkan shift of Alföld seem overrated based on these results, but we can make final conclusion when the regional avarages are released.

Btw I wouldn't add Western Romanian(Partium) and Northern Serbian(Vojvodina) results to Alföld category.

[Dunai]

Southern/balkan shift of Alföld seem overrated based on these results, but we can make final conclusion when the regional avarages are released.

Btw I wouldn't add Western Romanian(Partium) and Northern Serbian(Vojvodina) results to Alföld category.

Those regions only in last 100 years stopped to be connected with the Hungarian Alföld (cross marriages still happened though), but they are geographically parts of the historical Alföld, and the Hungarian population there have ancestors from the counties on the Hungarian border. Like Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg county is connected with Szatmár county, Hajdú-Bihar with Bihar county, Arad and Temes with Csongrád and Békés, Bács-Kiskun with Bácska. It is also enough to look at family trees of people from these areas, and their grand and great grandparents easily originate at one point from the county which is today on the other side of the border. Also I didn't see major difference between the borders while collecting my samples.

Look at point 7: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf%C3%B6ld

[Jana]

Agree. Partium and Vojvodina are one unit with proper Alfold, there is no natural border of any kind.
Partium makes much more sense to be with Alfold, it is def. not Transylvania.

[Aspirin]

Agree. Partium and Vojvodina are one unit with proper Alfold, there is no natural border of any kind.
Partium makes much more sense to be with Alfold, it is def. not Transylvania.

Transylvania is a very little region in reality. Banat, Partium (Crisana) and Maramures are not part of Transylvania.

[ph2ter]

I took the freedom to make a tsne plot of Central Eastern Europe K13 data including these Hungarians:
(tsne is not PCA):

https://i.imgur.com/Rbo3l3r.png

[Leto]

@ph2ter
Ukrainian_Leto, lol. I'm not Ukrainian :D
And who is that Chuvash Ural? Do you have that sample or their results?

[ph2ter]

@ph2ter
Ukrainian_Leto, lol. I'm not Ukrainian :D
And who is that Chuvash Ural? Do you have that sample or their results?

This is Ukrainian_Leto_mom. Right?
Down is yellow BELORUSIAN_Leto. And your dad down left.
I have only result.

[Leto]

This is Ukrainian_Leto_mom. Right?
Down is yellow BELORUSIAN_Leto. And your dad down left.
I have only result.
My mother is Russian. But don't bother editing that, no big deal.

Please post that result if you have it.

[ph2ter]

My mother is Russian. But don't bother editing that, no big deal.

Please post that result if you have it.

URAL_Chuvash 14.88 43.07 2.02 8.74 1.29 0.85 2.28 2.66 20.08 2.77 0.44 0.55 0.36

[Leto]

URAL_Chuvash 14.88 43.07 2.02 8.74 1.29 0.85 2.28 2.66 20.08 2.77 0.44 0.55 0.36
I think it's just a Eurogenes reference. Anyway, let's not detail the thread.

[Impaler]

I took the freedom to make a tsne plot of Central Eastern Europe K13 data including these Hungarians:
(tsne is not PCA):

https://i.imgur.com/Rbo3l3r.png

Am I here too? :)

[ph2ter]

Am I here too? :)

Nope. I don't have your coords.

[vbnetkhio]

...
here they are.
it's possible that some of them were used to source eurogenes k13 components. so if some have weird results, it's because of that.

AW7747391 Hungarian_a
RN8973201 Hungarian_Bohdan_Rakhiv_Zakarpatska_Ukr_I1a
EJ9481459 Hungarian_NA15199
PJ7942441 Hungarian_NA15200
HJ6860158 Hungarian_NA15201
HZ2648538 Hungarian_NA15202
HT2094395 Hungarian_NA15203
SS1941057 Hungarian_NA15204
DD9444302 Hungarian_NA15205
WF8010503 Hungarian_NA15206
ER1867377 Hungarian_NA15207
PM1724937 Hungarian_NA15208
UW1411325 Hungarian1.DG
XG1410311 Hungarian2.DG
SD5451360 HungarianC5_Budapest
CE9980131 HungarianD1_Budapest
YG5776680 HungarianE5_Budapest
YR8849830 HungarianH3_Budapest
XS9104600 hungary1
FV3533569 hungary10
WG3481088 hungary11
CV2966032 hungary12
XK5692244 hungary13
UP6739460 hungary14
RG6017917 hungary15
UW8233843 hungary16
FZ2916650 hungary17
SK5831374 hungary18
MM8689252 hungary19
BM9788855 hungary2
PE6571901 hungary20
WW4863806 hungary3
UR7519092 hungary4
SP6290793 hungary5
HE9310612 hungary6
EJ4021822 hungary7
UD7702343 hungary8
KK4672793 hungary9

[Scandal]

I took the freedom to make a tsne plot of Central Eastern Europe K13 data including these Hungarians:
(tsne is not PCA):

https://i.imgur.com/Rbo3l3r.png

Good stuff. In the other thread I said Hungarians would be balkanic genetically if it weren't for the German admixture. I take that back. Many northern hungarians and alföld people seem to be very west slavic-like.

Northern Hungary is more different from the rest than I expected. They should have lots of slovak-rusyn ancestry.

[Jana]

Szekely and Transylvanians in general seem to be Balkan + German and minor mongoloid stuff, Slavic input in them is lowest among all Hungarians if I read this correctly.I noticed this with Stears results, his Slavic is quite low, his Balkan, Germanic and Mongoloid is prominent on the other hand.

Keep in mind when I say Balkan it already includes both Paleo-Balkan and Slavic, when I say low Slavic I mean low Slavic in northern Slavic sense.

[Jana]

Good stuff. In the other thread I said Hungarians would be balkanic genetically if it weren't for the German admixture. I take that back. Many northern hungarians and alföld people seem to be very west slavic-like.

Northern Hungary is more different from the rest than I expected. They should have lots of slovak-rusyn ancestry.

This is in line with my phenotypical observations of Alfold Hungarians. They looked Slavic to me.

[Chris596]

Szekely and Transylvanians in general seem to be Balkan + German and minor mongoloid stuff, Slavic input in them is lowest among all Hungarians if I read this correctly.I noticed this with Stears results, his Slavic is quite low, his Balkan, Germanic and Mongoloid is prominent on the other hand.

Keep in mind when I say Balkan it already includes both Paleo-Balkan and Slavic, when I say low Slavic I mean low Slavic in northern Slavic sense.

I know what you mean. Interesting because, as I have said many times, my dad looks very Russian. On the MDLPK33 calculator I score 25.66% East European and 7.32% Balkan only.

[Kökény]

I like how the Szekely samples are forming a big circle around Transylvania.

[Dunai]

I like how the Szekely samples are forming a big circle around Transylvania.

Which is not surprising, since the people that would become Székely have migrated to the Eastern Carpathians from Transylvania, the same as the people who started to become known as Csángó, which migrated at first from Transylvania, and later from Székelyföld to Moldavia.

[Dunai]

Not relevant anymore

[Unknown European]

wow really interesting some of the Csángós and Székelys have more than 8% East Eurasian, defining it as (South Asian+East Asian+Siberian+Amerindian+Oceanian)

[Avicii86]

Hungarian master race

[ph2ter]

New version of the map with Hungarian and many new Serb samples:

https://i.imgur.com/2J8UvSk.png

[Dunai]

wow really interesting some of the Csángós and Székelys have more than 8% East Eurasian, defining it as (South Asian+East Asian+Siberian+Amerindian+Oceanian)

South Asians are closer to West Asians in my opinion than to East Asians, who are of Mongoloid race. But indeed, some of these individuals have surprisingly large amount of overall Mongoloid components, given that they live in East-Central Europe for many-many centuries. It's just another proof, that because of their isolation they preserved better the original genes of Hungarian Conquerors.

[Dunai]

After going through the so-called academic kits for previous Hungarian average that was posted before on this thread I have to conclude how absolutely badly they were selected, as they contained numerous kits which belonged to people who were Hungarians of highly mixed ethnic background (if they were even Hungarians at all). These new averages that I will post, without bragging, but will blow the previous average out of the water in truthfulness and representativity.

[Leto]

wow really interesting some of the Csángós and Székelys have more than 8% East Eurasian, defining it as (South Asian+East Asian+Siberian+Amerindian+Oceanian)
South Asian on Eurogenes is over 50% West Eurasian.

[Ion Basescul]

New version of the map with Hungarian and many new Serb samples:



I can give you around 200 samples from Romania and R. Moldova for this map if you want.

[ph2ter]

I can give you around 200 samples from Romania and R. Moldova for this map if you want.

Ok. Give me.

[Unknown European]

I know that the Vast Majority of South Asians/Indian Subcontinent are closer to West Asians then to East Asians but when I looked on the map it showed they were in East Eurasia and I assume the conquerors would have scored more South Asian then to the Indigenous Slavic inhabitants correct me if I am wrong please

[Dunai]

I know that the Vast Majority of South Asians/Indian Subcontinent are closer to West Asians then to East Asians but when I looked on the map it showed they were in East Eurasia and I assume the conquerors would have scored more South Asian then to the Indigenous Slavic inhabitants correct me if I am wrong please

We don't have any autosomal study on Hungarian Conquerors yet (it will come out this year though), but based on their Y-DNA and mtDNA they didn't seem to have carried South Asian haplogroups. South Asian genes in the modern population of the Carpathian Basin might've came with the Romas, Armenians, or who knows who else, because this area was a massive melting pot all its history, given the meeting point of the West and East and the very welcoming policies towards foreigners of the Hungarian state.

[Aspirin]

We don't have any autosomal study on Hungarian Conquerors yet (it will come out this year though), but based on their Y-DNA and mtDNA they didn't seem to have carried South Asian haplogroups. South Asian genes in the modern population of the Carpathian Basin might've came with the Romas, Armenians, or who knows who else, because this area was a massive melting pot all its history, given the meeting point of the West and East and the very welcoming policies towards foreigners of the Hungarian state.

South Asian seems to be related to mongoloid steppe influence, I don't think this have something to do with Gypsies, with some exceptions of course.

[Aspirin]

Double post.

[Chris596]

Hey everyone, I thought of sharing this here, if you don't mind it. These are my Eurogenes K13 results, after I removed basically ALL ethnic Balkan nations, also Romanians and Moldovans.

Distance to: Chris596

7.89649922 Szekely_Hungarian
8.05253376 Turk_N-Macedonia
9.55663121 Turk_Razgrad
11.07231683 Hungarian
11.47668506 Turk_Dobrich
12.17641984 Turk_Drama
12.72253119 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
13.77052650 Hungarian_Transdanubia
13.87118596 Turk_Kavala
14.13845819 Hungarian_East
14.73440232 Slovak
14.90818232 Turk_Thessaloniki
14.90859484 Turk_Kardzhali-West
15.02578118 Turk_Stara-Zagora
15.15344845 Turk_Targovishte
15.23711915 Turk_Sliven-Alevi
15.58487408 Turk_Kazanlik
15.86885314 Turk_Kardzhali-East
16.06267412 Turk_Xanthi
16.27770868 Turk_Alexandroupoli
16.38053113 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
16.60917718 GR_Macedonia
16.61659111 Austrian
16.71377875 Friuli-VG
16.95401722 Czech

[Leto]

Hey everyone, I thought of sharing this here, if you don't mind it. These are my Eurogenes K13 results, after I removed basically ALL ethnic Balkan nations, also Romanians and Moldovans.

Distance to: Chris596

7.89649922 Szekely_Hungarian
8.05253376 Turk_N-Macedonia
9.55663121 Turk_Razgrad
11.07231683 Hungarian
11.47668506 Turk_Dobrich
12.17641984 Turk_Drama
12.72253119 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
13.77052650 Hungarian_Transdanubia
13.87118596 Turk_Kavala
14.13845819 Hungarian_East
14.73440232 Slovak
14.90818232 Turk_Thessaloniki
14.90859484 Turk_Kardzhali-West
15.02578118 Turk_Stara-Zagora
15.15344845 Turk_Targovishte
15.23711915 Turk_Sliven-Alevi
15.58487408 Turk_Kazanlik
15.86885314 Turk_Kardzhali-East
16.06267412 Turk_Xanthi
16.27770868 Turk_Alexandroupoli
16.38053113 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
16.60917718 GR_Macedonia
16.61659111 Austrian
16.71377875 Friuli-VG
16.95401722 Czech
Wait for Dunai to release his magnificent Hungarian averages, so you can run yourself through Vahaduo using them :thumb001:

[Dunai]

And I bet many people were waiting for this moment. So without further ado, I will now finally post the regional and national averages. For the Hungarian national average I included all regions, except Székely and Csángó, plus all the individuals to whom I couldn't identify their regions :thumb001:

https://i.imgur.com/IZZhdfC.png

[Leto]

Fantastic but why didn't you round the values off to the first decimal place? That would look neater.

[magicalM]

And I bet many people were waiting for this moment. So without further ado, I will now finally post the regional and national averages. For the Hungarian national average I included all regions, except Székely and Csángó, plus all the individuals to whom I couldn't identify their regions :thumb001:

https://i.imgur.com/IZZhdfC.pngGreat work!

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[Dunai]

Fantastic but why didn't you round the values off to the first decimal place? That would look neater.

Unfortunately when I copy paste the raw data into here the lines are always getting delayed and then I have to manually adjust them when copying it into Vahaduo. Sorry guys for being a noob about this.

[Leto]

Ironically the brand new average is only slightly different from the original one

32.55 North_Atlantic
31.85 Baltic
12.85 West_Med
7.55 West_Asian
10.41 East_Med
1.21 Red_Sea
0.83 South_Asian
0.21 East_Asian
1.11 Siberian
0.97 Amerindian
0.14
0.29
0.02

[17571imre]

great work!

mother:
Distance to:
cb
4.74987925 Hungarian_Szekely
4.95731085 Hungarian_Transdanubia
4.97578798 Hungarian
5.00510260 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.35850217 Hungarian_Budapest
5.59773967 Hungarian_Alfold
6.05106860 Hungarian_Csango
6.47128595 Slovenian
6.47461196 Croat_Zagreb
7.14045517 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
7.24923444 Serb_B&H
7.28124303 Croat_Split

mine:
Distance to:
mh
3.92297756 Hungarian_Szekely
4.67346559 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.89152622 Hungarian_Csango
6.53528882 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
6.54003058 Serb_B&H
6.54166457 Hungarian_Transdanubia
6.92426891 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
6.95439714 Hungarian
6.99546282 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
7.02192993 Serb_B&H_Krajina
7.02469216 Croat_Split
7.10990155 Serb_Croatia
7.15427802 Hungarian_Budapest

[Dunai]

Good to see all Hungarian groups, even Csángós among my closest matches, and obviously my minor German part already drifts me towards the most German-like Hungarian groups, rather my native Alföld, and also that Central Asian 3% remains persistent:

Distance to: Dunai
3.89708265 Hungarian_Transdanubia
4.47335091 Hungarian_Budapest
4.48241007 Austrian
5.30540518 Hungarian
5.73868452 East_German
6.72266924 Hungarian_Alfold
6.73411198 Hungarian_Northern
6.94808599 Slovenian
7.71154330 Croat_Zagreb
7.71947874 Hungarian_Transylvania
7.75356352 Hungarian_Szekely
7.93761929 Czech
8.42805413 Slovak
8.73914756 German_east
9.82048019 Hungarian_Csango
9.88888265 Croat_Bosnia
9.90309043 Moldova_North

Target: Dunai
Distance: 0.9389% / 0.93889893 | ADC: 0.25x
53.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
34.6 Austrian
5.0 North-Swedish
2.4 Kirgiz
2.0 West_German
1.8 North_German
0.8 Altaian
0.2 Oroqen

Target: Dunai
Distance: 1.8451% / 1.84511292 | ADC: 0.5x
50.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
47.0 Austrian
1.4 Altaian
0.8 Kazakh
0.6 North-Swedish

[Dunai]

Let's see how do the Hungarian regions score:

Hungarian
Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.3638% / 0.36378644 | ADC: 0.5x
44.0 Hungarian_Alfold
42.2 Hungarian_Budapest
13.8 Hungarian_Transdanubia

Distance to: Hungarian
1.19445296 Hungarian_Budapest
1.55212047 Hungarian_Alfold
1.91480367 Hungarian_Transdanubia
2.14508635 Slovenian
2.48030270 Croat_Zagreb
3.91243703 Hungarian_Northern
4.80736374 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.15812013 Croat_Bosnia
5.19682881 Moldova_North
5.25003019 Bosniak_Tuzla
5.60064831 Hungarian_Szekely
5.60436174 Croat_Herzegovina
5.66365601 Slovak
6.19325752 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
6.19467951 Croat_Split
6.51288066 Hungarian_Csango
6.77025631 Serb_B&H
6.96264805 Bosniak

Alföld
Target: Hungarian_Alfold
Distance: 0.5974% / 0.59742366 | ADC: 0.5x
58.2 Croat_Zagreb
41.6 Hungarian
0.2 Ket

Distance to: Hungarian_Alfold
1.30112709 Croat_Zagreb
1.55212047 Hungarian
1.73000522 Slovenian
2.56421115 Hungarian_Budapest
3.41544742 Hungarian_Transdanubia
3.89569054 Bosniak_Tuzla
3.96082033 Hungarian_Northern
3.96971576 Moldova_North
4.28841787 Croat_Bosnia
4.47741780 Croat_Herzegovina
4.87007479 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.36334649 Croat_Split
5.37874207 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
5.41391275 Slovak
5.83957987 Hungarian_Szekely
6.10199313 Serb_B&H
6.15726488 Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.16408440 Hungarian_Csango
6.18370509 Bosniak
6.88998276 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija

Budapest
Target: Hungarian_Budapest
Distance: 0.6566% / 0.65660928 | ADC: 0.5x
68.8 Hungarian
26.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.0 East_German

Distance to: Hungarian_Budapest
1.19445296 Hungarian
1.35236233 Hungarian_Transdanubia
2.56323989 Slovenian
2.56421115 Hungarian_Alfold
3.38808286 Croat_Zagreb
3.93654599 Hungarian_Northern
5.36565175 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.60423101 Slovak
6.07556697 Moldova_North
6.11472417 Hungarian_Szekely
6.20039674 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.21967108 Croat_Bosnia
6.54334950 Czech
6.63803089 Croat_Herzegovina
6.65089079 Austrian
7.11654590 East_German
7.13844639 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
7.14181048 Croat_Split
7.38393141 Hungarian_Csango
7.65880873 Serb_B&H
7.90891304 Bosniak

Transdanubia
Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia
Distance: 1.0130% / 1.01302282 | ADC: 0.5x
96.0 Hungarian_Budapest
2.2 West_German
1.8 Swiss_German

Distance to: Hungarian_Transdanubia
1.35236233 Hungarian_Budapest
1.91480367 Hungarian
3.41544742 Hungarian_Alfold
3.52261077 Slovenian
4.16260773 Croat_Zagreb
4.51254022 Hungarian_Northern
5.62296280 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.91811887 Austrian
6.09002730 Hungarian_Szekely
6.37724263 Slovak
6.55859087 Croat_Bosnia
6.77973966 East_German
6.90795055 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.93825529 Moldova_North
6.96129760 Czech
7.20231080 Croat_Herzegovina
7.52705031 Croat_Split
7.55421904 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
7.57154113 Hungarian_Csango
7.96697264 Serb_B&H

[17571imre]

is looking very good!

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 1.4040% / 1.40401865

48.0 Early_Slav_average
34.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
13.8 Early_Germanic
4.2 Onogur-Bulgar

Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia
Distance: 1.2515% / 1.25147585

52.8 Early_Slav_average
24.6 Early_Germanic
22.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite

Target: Hungarian_Szekely
Distance: 1.6083% / 1.60833681

43.2 Early_Slav_average
35.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
16.2 Early_Germanic
5.2 Onogur-Bulgar

Target: Hungarian_Northern
Distance: 1.9717% / 1.97169528

67.6 Early_Slav_average
17.0 Early_Germanic
15.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite

Target: Hungarian_Csango
Distance: 2.3160% / 2.31599091

50.2 Early_Slav_average
38.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
7.2 Early_Germanic
2.6 Onogur-Bulgar
1.4 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman

Target: Hungarian_Budapest
Distance: 0.8477% / 0.84766927

56.6 Early_Slav_average
22.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
21.2 Early_Germanic

Target: Hungarian_Alfold
Distance: 1.2591% / 1.25907616

62.6 Early_Slav_average
25.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
12.4 Early_Germanic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.8477% / 0.84766927

56.6 Early_Slav_average
22.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
21.2 Early_Germanic

[Luke35]

This is a lot of work you have done Dunai, bravo! And köszönöm.

Here is my dad's theoretical result (assuming I am mid-point of my parents). I used the new Transdanubia, Alfold, and Transylvania averages, as those were the most logical based on my known geographical ancestry. This is what I got:

Target: MrG-dad_theoretical
Distance: 4.6076% / 4.60756481 | ADC: 0.25x
62.2 Transdanubia
37.8 Transylvania

[Dunai]

Northern Hungary
Target: Hungarian_Northern
Distance: 1.0937% / 1.09369861 | ADC: 0.5x
70.8 Slovak
17.0 Hungarian_Transdanubia
12.2 Hungarian

Distance to: Hungarian_Northern
2.25764950 Slovak
3.67133107 Slovenian
3.68237089 Czech
3.91243703 Hungarian
3.93654599 Hungarian_Budapest
3.96082033 Hungarian_Alfold
4.45808681 Croat_Zagreb
4.51254022 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.39702283 Bosniak_Tuzla
7.19971459 Moldova_North
7.40335873 German_east
7.45970617 South_Polish
7.77206250 Croat_Herzegovina
7.82454770 East_German
7.86970547 Croat_Bosnia
8.53991091 Hungarian_Transylvania
8.63878633 Ukrainian_Lviv
8.68200406 Austrian

Transylvania
Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 1.0048% / 1.00479899 | ADC: 0.5x
83.6 Hungarian_Szekely
10.2 Moldova_North
6.2 Slovenian

Distance to: Hungarian_Transylvania
1.62642874 Hungarian_Szekely
2.83985087 Hungarian_Csango
3.53892365 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
3.79411319 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
3.85478115 Serb_B&H
4.07326237 Croat_Split
4.18836763 Croat_Bosnia
4.40525764 Bosniak
4.80736374 Hungarian
4.83219211 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.87007479 Hungarian_Alfold
4.90684310 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.96068780 Moldova_North
4.97704537 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
5.03282714 Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.04215464 Croat_Herzegovina
5.12553780 Serb_Croatia
5.17591074 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
5.18215570 Croat_Zagreb
5.30444105 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
5.36565175 Hungarian_Budapest
5.39286518 Serb
5.62296280 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.82103942 Slovenian
5.98358665 Serb_Serbia

Csángó
Target: Hungarian_Csango
Distance: 1.2494% / 1.24938173 | ADC: 0.5x
56.8 Hungarian_Szekely
33.2 Bosniak_Sarajevo
10.0 Bulgarian_Pleven

Distance to: Hungarian_Csango
2.83197679 Hungarian_Szekely
2.83985087 Hungarian_Transylvania
2.97924172 Serb_B&H
3.00924513 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
3.14952080 Bosniak
3.33060899 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.39362362 Croat_Split
3.64521818 Bosniak_Sarajevo
3.67816615 Croat_Bosnia
3.72084416 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
3.74007436 Serb_Croatia
3.85874089 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
3.90114486 Serb
3.91485392 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
3.96855846 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
4.18037752 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.28632783 Serb_Serbia
4.53407722 Croat_Herzegovina
4.79916464 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.99036133 Romania_Moldavia_average
5.14757528 Moldova_North
5.45381117 Serb_Herzegovina
5.61545468 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.62604712 Bulgarian_Pleven
5.93063919 Moldova_Centre

Székely
Target: Hungarian_Szekely
Distance: 1.0906% / 1.09058184 | ADC: 0.5x
92.6 Hungarian_Transylvania
7.0 Bulgarian_Southwest
0.4 West_German

Distance to: Hungarian_Szekely
1.62642874 Hungarian_Transylvania
2.83197679 Hungarian_Csango
3.25053802 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
4.42399174 Serb_B&H
4.55267719 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
4.81136648 Croat_Split
4.88462072 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.96420494 Bosniak
4.97353581 Croat_Bosnia
5.21123174 Serb_B&H_Krajina
5.36639364 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
5.36991751 Serb_Croatia
5.43842427 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
5.46672131 Serb
5.47653658 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
5.60064831 Hungarian
5.70240996 Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.83957987 Hungarian_Alfold
5.93630662 Croat_Herzegovina
5.99791979 Serb_Serbia
6.09002730 Hungarian_Transdanubia
6.09348036 Moldova_North
6.11472417 Hungarian_Budapest
6.25711662 Croat_Zagreb
6.45004502 Romania_Moldavia_North

[Turul Karom]

that Central Asian 3% remains persistent:

Target: Dunai
Distance: 0.9389% / 0.93889893 | ADC: 0.25x
53.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
34.6 Austrian
5.0 North-Swedish
2.4 Kirgiz
2.0 West_German
1.8 North_German
0.8 Altaian
0.2 Oroqen

Target: Dunai
Distance: 1.8451% / 1.84511292 | ADC: 0.5x
50.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
47.0 Austrian
1.4 Altaian
0.8 Kazakh
0.6 North-Swedish

https://i.imgur.com/JU1QtzX.jpg

[Luke35]

The averages for the various regions are a little closer to each other than I expected.

The boost in the Baltic component for Northern Hungary, the slightly higher North Atlantic for Transdanubia, etc. confirm small but logical differences.

[Dunai]

The averages for the various regions are a little closer to each other than I expected.

The boost in the Baltic component for Northern Hungary, the slightly higher North Atlantic for Transdanubia, etc. confirm small but logical differences.

Indeed, among Northern Hungarians there is often some distant or not so distant Rusyn, Slovak or Polish ancestor based on my conversations. Surprisingly Transdanubia Hungarians are not as German-shifted as Northern Hungarians are Slavic-shifted, but they are very similar to regular Hungarians, based on the distance, almost identical. The same can be said of Budapest Hungarians. Alföld Hungarians are also very close to average Hungarians but in the same time very close to Northern South Slavs, unsurprisingly. Now the other group are the three Eastern Hungarian groups, which seem to form a cluster of their own: Transylvania, Székely and Csángó. Before this study I even believed that Transylvanian Hungarians will be more similar to average Hungarians than to Székelys, but these two seem to almost be identical to each other. Also interestingly all these three groups are more similar to Serbians and Bulgarians than to their close neighbors, the Romanians. But regular Hungarians are also quite close to Transylvanian Hungarians and Székelys.

[Leto]

Indeed, among Northern Hungarians there is often some distant or not so distant Rusyn, Slovak or Polish ancestor based on my conversations. Surprisingly Transdanubia Hungarians are not as German-shifted as Northern Hungarians are Slavic-shifted, but they are very similar to regular Hungarians, based on the distance, almost identical. The same can be said of Budapest Hungarians. Alföld Hungarians are also very close to average Hungarians but in the same time very close to Northern South Slavs, unsurprisingly. Now the other group are the three Eastern Hungarian groups, which seem to form a cluster of their own: Transylvania, Székely and Csángó. Before this study I even believed that Transylvanian Hungarians will be more similar to average Hungarians than to Székelys, but these two seem to almost be identical to each other. Also interestingly all these three groups are more similar to Serbians and Bulgarians than to their closest neighbors, the Romanians. Other Hungarians are also quite close to Transylvanian Hungarians and Székelys.
Is Jewish ancestry uncommon in Budapest? I remember some article claiming it's relatively common. I thought it was exaggerated because of liberal propaganda.

[17571imre]

my results using k13:

Target: mh
Distance: 0.8576% / 0.85760690 | ADC: 0.25x
41.2 Hungarian_Szekely
32.4 Hungarian_Transdanubia
22.2 Trentino
4.2 Bulgarian_Southwest

my mothers:
Target: cb
Distance: 2.4272% / 2.42717031 | ADC: 0.25x
33.4 Hungarian_Northern
26.4 Hungarian_Transdanubia
17.8 Hungarian_Szekely
13.8 Swiss_Italian
7.0 Bulgarian_Pleven
1.6 Dolgan

now only Hungarian averages with Dutch added:

Target: mh
Distance: 2.5998% / 2.59980832
65.0 Hungarian_Csango
24.0 South_Dutch
11.0 Hungarian_Szekely

Target: mh
Distance: 2.7553% / 2.75529500 | ADC: 0.25x
83.4 Hungarian_Szekely
14.4 South_Dutch
2.2 Hungarian_Csango

now my mothers results with only Hungarian and Austrian added because of her Austrian grandmother:

Target: cb
Distance: 3.7644% / 3.76437438
66.4 Hungarian_Szekely
18.0 Hungarian_Northern
13.0 Austrian
2.6 Hungarian_Transdanubia

Target: cb
Distance: 3.7774% / 3.77739737 | ADC: 0.25x
52.8 Hungarian_Szekely
47.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia

[Luke35]

my results using k13:

You're so darn Hungarian, I'm jealous :p

[Unknown European]

I know the Khanty, and the Mansi who speak the closest linguistic languages to Hungarian are populations in the MDLP Project. they would likely would show close similarity to the Magyar Conquerors if you look at the languages Hungarian seems somewhat mutually intelligible based off when I was comparing some of the words and sentences. Someone who speaks Hungarian probably would be able to understand some of Mansi or Khanty language. Maybe you could compare Hungarians with these population through MDLP.

[ixulescu]

Now the other group are the three Eastern Hungarian groups, which seem to form a cluster of their own: Transylvania, Székely and Csángó. Before this study I even believed that Transylvanian Hungarians will be more similar to average Hungarians than to Székelys, but these two seem to almost be identical to each other. Also interestingly all these three groups are more similar to Serbians and Bulgarians than to their close neighbors, the Romanians. But regular Hungarians are also quite close to Transylvanian Hungarians and Székelys.

You're not looking at a map with sufficient Romanian samples. Check this one posted by ph2ter from samples gathered I think by Ion Basescu:

https://i.imgur.com/3eQ4U7q.png

Serbs plus Montenegrins span roughly the same area as Romanians. Csángós are firmly in the Romanian cluster. Transylvanian Hungarians are somewhere in between Hungarians and Serbs while Székelys are somewhere in between Hungarians and Romanians. Many Alfoldis are in the Romanian cluster as well.

I wish the map had more Bulgarians.

[Turul Karom]

I know the Khanty, and the Mansi who speak the closest linguistic languages to Hungarian are populations in the MDLP Project. they would likely would show close similarity to the Magyar Conquerors if you look at the languages Hungarian seems somewhat mutually intelligible based off when I was comparing some of the words and sentences. Someone who speaks Hungarian probably would be able to understand some of Mansi or Khanty language. Maybe you could compare Hungarians with these population through MDLP.

Lol, just being polite when I say this has been done ad-nauseam at this point by scientists. Hungarian is considered by (some) indeed as an Ugric language (not a branch of Finnic at all, one is not a child system of the other and the largest segment of our words are of an "unknown" origin; this is from the Ugric supporters), and the Hungarian conquerer population isn't even close with Khanty or Mansi. They are closest to Turkic Bashkirs, followed then by modern Hungarians.

Khanty and Mansi were included as well in the genetic study. They aren't even close to us or our Conqueror ancestors as other Turkic populations.

https://i.imgur.com/bEXsjnA.jpg

[Luke35]

You're not looking at a map with sufficient Romanian samples. Check this one posted by ph2ter from samples gathered I think by Ion Basescu:

I was curious so I compared Csango and Transylvanian Hungarians to all the Romanian averages on K13 plus the new Alfold and Transdanubian K13 averages by Dunai.

Distance to: Csango
4.82089203 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.01515703 Romania_Moldavia_average
5.64085100 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.14359016 Alfold
6.25060797 Romanian_Transylvania
7.54947680 Transdanubia
7.70066880 Romanian_Oltenia
8.58367637 Romanian_Wallachia_average
9.68214852 Romanian_Muntenia


Distance to: Transylvania_Hungarian
4.86990760 Alfold
5.62184134 Transdanubia
6.70964232 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.83845743 Romania_Moldavia_average
7.29845874 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.92142664 Romanian_Transylvania
9.09360215 Romanian_Oltenia
10.21366731 Romanian_Wallachia_average
11.44690788 Romanian_Muntenia


Target: Csango
Distance: 1.9888% / 1.98883009 | ADC: 0.25x
42.8 Romania_Moldavia_average
37.6 Alfold
13.2 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.4 Transdanubia


Target: Transylvania_Hungarian
Distance: 1.9656% / 1.96560880 | ADC: 0.25x
41.8 Transdanubia
40.0 Romania_Moldavia_South
18.2 Alfold

[Scandal]

You're not looking at a map with sufficient Romanian samples. Check this one posted by ph2ter from samples gathered I think by Ion Basescu:

https://i.i....7q.png

Serbs plus Montenegrins span roughly the same area as Romanians. Csángós are firmly in the Romanian cluster. Transylvanian Hungarians are somewhere in between Hungarians and Serbs while Székelys are somewhere in between Hungarians and Romanians. Many Alfoldis are in the Romanian cluster as well.

I wish the map had more Bulgarians.

Only because of a few Moldovans, the bulk of Romanians plot at the bottom of the picture where no Hungarians are found.
Avarage Serb plots clearly differently than avarage Romanian. Székely and Hu_Transylvania samples here plot with Serbs-Croats rather than Romanians (I am talking about avarages, obviously).

I saw one alföldi result that plotted with Serbs, the rest didn't. Avarage Alföldis in Dunai's study are far from Serbo-Romanian genetically, they're barely different than avarage Transdanubian, despite some people claiming they were Balkan transplants or something and super different to Transdanubians. Even I started to think avarage alföldi is genetically serb or something and the results here surprised me a bit.

Alföldis in reality could be even closer to Transdanubia, but Dunai included Hungarians from Partium(Romania) and Vojvodina(Serbia) in the alföld category. Or maybe I'm wrong here and they are genetically same as Alföldi people from Hungary, idk really, only Dunai could tell.

[Scandal]

Edit.

[Dunai]

Only because of a few Moldovans, the bulk of Romanians plot at the bottom of the picture where no Hungarians are found.
Avarage Serb plots clearly differently than avarage Romanian. Székely and Hu_Transylvania samples here plot with Serbs rather than Romanians (I am talking about avarages, obviously).

I saw one alföldi result that plotted with Serbs, the rest didn't. Avarage Alföldis in Dunai's study are far from Serbo-Romanian genetically, they're barely different than avarage Transdanubian, despite some people claiming they were Balkan transplants or something and super different to Hungarians located west of Danube river. Even I started to think avarage alföldi is genetically serb or something and the results here surprised me a bit.

Alföldis in reality could be even closer to Transdanubia, but Dunai included Hungarians from Partium(Romania) and Vojvodina(Serbia) in the alföld category. Or maybe I'm wrong here and they are genetically same as Alföldi people from Hungary, idk really, only Dunai could tell.

Yes, the Alföld Hungarians are pretty cohesive all throughout the historic regions, only among northerners I have seen higher Slavic input, while in southerners somewhat higher Balkanic. But as the distances for Alföld shows, they are very similar to average Hungarians and Slovenians, North Croatians. Those who believe Alföld Hungarians are Balkanic transplants obviously haven't read much history, since after the Ottomans were defeated by the Habsburgs, these lands were largely repopulated by Hungarians who fled previously to Northern Hungary after the Ottoman occupation. Balkanic transplants to Southern Alföld have kept to their religions and culture, since you can see Serbians and Romanians becoming the majority in Vojvodina and Banat.

[Lucas]

@Dunai

if you want to add it to K13 Vahaduo please post it as text, not image. Only averages.

[Dunai]

You're not looking at a map with sufficient Romanian samples. Check this one posted by ph2ter from samples gathered I think by Ion Basescu:


Serbs plus Montenegrins span roughly the same area as Romanians. Csángós are firmly in the Romanian cluster. Transylvanian Hungarians are somewhere in between Hungarians and Serbs while Székelys are somewhere in between Hungarians and Romanians. Many Alfoldis are in the Romanian cluster as well.

I wish the map had more Bulgarians.

When I added only Hungarian and Romanian-Moldovan groups the distance calculator shows them being closer to Hungarians rather than to Romanians.

Almost all Hungarian groups are under and around 5 distance, while from Romanians only Moldovans come somewhat close, who happen to not even be purely Vlachs, around 7-8 distance, while Transylvanian Romanians who are closer to Vlachs and more mixed with Transylvanian Hungarians are even more distant to them than Moldovans are.
Distance to: Hungarian_Transylvania
1.62642874 Hungarian_Szekely
2.83985087 Hungarian_Csango
4.80736374 Hungarian
4.87007479 Hungarian_Alfold
4.96068780 Moldova_North
5.36565175 Hungarian_Budapest
5.62296280 Hungarian_Transdanubia
6.71000281 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.83811758 Romania_Moldavia_average
7.29750510 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.84065198 Moldova_average
7.90980372 Moldova_Centre
7.92018186 Romanian_Transylvania
8.53991091 Hungarian_Northern
9.09253591 Romanian_Oltenia
10.21301526 Romanian_Wallachia_average
11.44642966 Romanian_Muntenia
11.56665382 Moldova_South

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 0.9626% / 0.96260866
62.6 Hungarian_Szekely
18.4 Hungarian_Budapest
12.0 Moldova_North
6.0 Moldova_South
1.0 Hungarian_Csango

Similar story is when it comes to Székelys.
Distance to: Hungarian_Szekely
1.62642874 Hungarian_Transylvania
2.83197679 Hungarian_Csango
5.60064831 Hungarian
5.83957987 Hungarian_Alfold
6.09002730 Hungarian_Transdanubia
6.09348036 Moldova_North
6.11472417 Hungarian_Budapest
6.45004502 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.47184481 Romania_Moldavia_average
6.85460897 Romania_Moldavia_South
7.38664506 Romanian_Transylvania
7.70424902 Moldova_average
7.97022603 Moldova_Centre
8.51383826 Romanian_Oltenia
9.35793637 Hungarian_Northern
9.65085130 Romanian_Wallachia_average
10.87371667 Romanian_Muntenia
11.09805602 Moldova_South

Target: Hungarian_Szekely
Distance: 1.3704% / 1.37043403
67.4 Hungarian_Transylvania
16.0 Hungarian_Transdanubia
9.4 Romanian_Oltenia
4.6 Romanian_Muntenia
2.6 Hungarian_Csango

The only population you can see a more significant Moldovan input is among Csángó, but Moldovans themselves also have to a certain degree Csángó input, so it's not surprising. But in distance they still are closest to fellow Hungarians in Transylvania and Székelyföld, with under 3, while Moldovans regions start around 5.
Distance to: Hungarian_Csango
2.83197679 Hungarian_Szekely
2.83985087 Hungarian_Transylvania
4.79916464 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.99036133 Romania_Moldavia_average
5.14757528 Moldova_North
5.61545468 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.93063919 Moldova_Centre
6.07181449 Moldova_average
6.16408440 Hungarian_Alfold
6.22379557 Romanian_Transylvania
6.51288066 Hungarian
7.38393141 Hungarian_Budapest
7.57154113 Hungarian_Transdanubia
7.67815937 Romanian_Oltenia
8.56012595 Romanian_Wallachia_average
9.65814844 Romanian_Muntenia
9.82239781 Hungarian_Northern
9.99094621 Moldova_South

Target: Hungarian_Csango
Distance: 1.4563% / 1.45634563
48.6 Hungarian_Szekely
23.2 Moldova_Centre
14.0 Hungarian_Northern
12.8 Romania_Moldavia_South
1.4 Romanian_Muntenia

The real Romanians that Hungarians of Transylvania should be really close to if they would be just assimilated Romanians, are those of Transylvania, however in both cases they are rather distant, with 7 and 8, while only the Csángó are at least close to their Moldovan neighbors, with a distance of 5. However all three are closest with one another, like very close, which just proves the historic process how they all developed from Medieval Transylvanian Hungarians.

[ixulescu]

-double post-

[ixulescu]

Only because of a few Moldovans, the bulk of Romanians plot at the bottom of the picture where no Hungarians are found.
Avarage Serb plots clearly differently than avarage Romanian. Székely and Hu_Transylvania samples here plot with Serbs-Croats rather than Romanians (I am talking about avarages, obviously).

Nope. The reason why half the Romanian cluster comprises mostly of Moldovans is because they were half of the samples. However, if samples were drawn proportionally there should have been half Transylvanian. In that case the northern half of the cluster would have been populated with both Transylvanian and Moldovan. So far the sampling is not correctly stratified.



I saw one alföldi result that plotted with Serbs, the rest didn't. Avarage Alföldis in Dunai's study are far from Serbo-Romanian genetically, they're barely different than avarage Transdanubian, despite some people claiming they were Balkan transplants or something and super different to Hungarians located west of Danube river. Even I started to think avarage alföldi is genetically serb or something and the results here surprised me a bit.

Alföldis in reality could be even closer to Transdanubia, but Dunai included Hungarians from Partium(Romania) and Vojvodina(Serbia) in the alföld category. Or maybe I'm wrong here and they are genetically same as Alföldi people from Hungary, idk really, only Dunai could tell.

It's not the time to draw any conclusions yet, but on a glance at the map I see 3 Alfoldi samples in the Moldovan part (closer to some Serbian samples, true, but still in the overall Moldovan part). However once more samples from Northern Romania are drawn you'll see an even larger overlap. Check out where the Maramures samples are, right in the middle of the Northern Alfoldis group.

[Jana]

There is not much Hungarian Romanian overlap considering they are neighbours.

[Jana]

Is Jewish ancestry uncommon in Budapest? I remember some article claiming it's relatively common. I thought it was exaggerated because of liberal propaganda.

It is common and not propaganda. Budapest has one of largest Jewish populations in Europe and largest synagogue in Europe is located in Pest.

[ixulescu]

There is not much Hungarian Romanian overlap considering they are neighbours.

Not with Hungarians from Hungary proper, true. But there is some overlap with Hungarian groups from Transylvania and some Alfoldis.

But of course it's not similar with the overlap Romanians have with Serbs, and I suspect Bulgarians too. Too bad only a few Bulgarian samples were on that map.

[Aspirin]

Not with Hungarians from Hungary proper, true. But there is some overlap with Hungarian groups from Transylvania and some Alfoldis.

But of course it's not similar with the overlap Romanians have with Serbs, and I suspect Bulgarians too. Too bad only a few Bulgarian samples were on that map.

Hungarians are clearly visible northern than Romanians, more northern than vast majority of Moldavians from Republic. Why a nigga like you don't understand this from the beginning?

[Scandal]

In these PCAs neighboring European ethnicities almost always form a continuum, nothing out of ordinary. In some cases you will even find individuals who don't plot with neighboring ethnicity but even further. For example Czech individuals plotting with Hungarians/Croats/Slovenes or Romanians plotting with Montenegrins etc.

[Scandal]

Who's this EAST_GERMANY_krampetz and what's his ancestry? https://i.imgur.com/CV3v5Dg.jpg

[ixulescu]

Hungarians are clearly visible northern than Romanians, more northern than vast majority of Moldavians from Republic. Why a nigga like you don't understand this from the beginning?

Hungarians are more Northern, but not much more. The map is not properly oriented, it needs at least 45 degrees counter-clockwise rotation. I explained why earlier.

Anyhow, reading cardinal directions on a PCA is a risky business. While there is a correspondence to geographical coordinates, people need to understand that PCA only maps datapoints to orthogonal coordinates, which destroys all the non-linearities in the data. This is why we cannot say whether an individual datapoint is more northern or sourthern than another one close-by, but we can still have some conclusions on regional averages.

[Aspirin]

Hungarians are more Northern, but not much more.

:D

[ixulescu]

:D

:D

[Lucas]

Added to K13 Vahaduo, and removed previous Hungarian refs.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm


Hungarian average

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.2057% / 0.20569609 | ADC: 0.25x
44.2 Hungarian_Alfold
28.2 Hungarian_Budapest
25.2 Hungarian_Transdanubia
2.0 Hungarian_Csango
0.4 Csango_Gymes

[oszkar07]

Distance to: Oszkar
3.72317069 Austrian
4.00468476 East_German
6.94743838 German_east
7.24774164 Hungarian_Transdanubia
7.88518682 Hungarian_Budapest
8.14288647 Czech
8.76476859 Hungarian_Northern
8.77407931 Hungarian
9.68033052 Slovenian
9.87765876 Slovak
10.10673542 Hungarian_Alfold
10.11881910 German_West
10.71997201 West_German
10.79100088 Croat_Zagreb
10.81012026 Swiss_German
11.34722874 North_German
11.58932699 South_Dutch
11.69656787 Danish
11.84923626 Csango_Gymes
11.89489425 Hungarian_Transylvania
12.09803715 Hungarian_Szekely
12.39052864 Szekely_Hungarian
12.55726085 Swedish
13.26481813 Swiss_French
13.33460911 Croat_Bosnia
13.69373579 Moldova_North
13.72289692 North-Swedish
13.86021284 South_Polish
13.96531619 Hungarian_Csango
13.98615387 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
14.02118041 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
14.18815351 Croat_Herzegovina
14.35983983 Croat_Split
14.38329587 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
14.68554051 Serb_B&H
14.89497902 English

[Unknown European]

Lol, just being polite when I say this has been done ad-nauseam at this point by scientists. Hungarian is considered by (some) indeed as an Ugric language (not a branch of Finnic at all, one is not a child system of the other and the largest segment of our words are of an "unknown" origin; this is from the Ugric supporters), and the Hungarian conquerer population isn't even close with Khanty or Mansi. They are closest to Turkic Bashkirs, followed then by modern Hungarians.

Khanty and Mansi were included as well in the genetic study. They aren't even close to us or our Conqueror ancestors as other Turkic populations.

https://i.imgur.com/bEXsjnA.jpg

No offense taken but shouldn't there be at least some portion of the conquerors ancestry that should derive from an Khanty-Mansi related population. can you send links of some of the studies.

[Leto]

Ironically the brand new average is only slightly different from the original one

32.55 North_Atlantic
31.85 Baltic
12.85 West_Med
7.55 West_Asian
10.41 East_Med
1.21 Red_Sea
0.83 South_Asian
0.21 East_Asian
1.11 Siberian
0.97 Amerindian
0.14
0.29
0.02
Interesting. Just proving it wasn't a bad average at all

Distance to: Old_HU_average
1.53138386 Hungarian_Transdanubia
2.09842520 Hungarian_Budapest
2.64835397 Hungarian
4.04034568 Hungarian_Alfold
4.30117912 Slovenian
4.41299107 Hungarian_Northern
4.79158638 Croat_Zagreb
5.94163277 Austrian
6.27292099 Hungarian_Transylvania
6.27789317 Slovak
6.62932877 Czech
6.64973538 Hungarian_Szekely
6.75546445 East_German
7.30041095 Croat_Bosnia
7.39605300 Moldova_North
7.68292262 Croat_Herzegovina
7.76564872 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
8.08390415 Hungarian_Csango
8.26076268 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
8.27422504 Croat_Split

Target: Old_HU_average
Distance: 1.2748% / 1.27481501 | ADC: 0.5x
97.4 Hungarian_Transdanubia
2.2 North-Swedish
0.4 Tabassaran

Target: Old_HU_average
Distance: 0.9330% / 0.93298879 | ADC: 0.25x
88.6 Hungarian_Transdanubia
4.8 North-Swedish
4.4 Hungarian_Northern
1.4 Tabassaran
0.8 Pomak_Central-Macedonia

[Dunai]

It is common and not propaganda. Budapest has one of largest Jewish populations in Europe and largest synagogue in Europe is located in Pest.

If you mean people of mixed Jewish and Hungarian background, they do live in Budapest for sure, but from my research I didn't find any evidence that Jews had any real impact on the population of Budapest and its surroundings who are mostly of Hungarian ethnic origin, since the Red Sea, West Asian and East Med averages are one of the lowest among any Hungarian reference groups.

[Jana]

If you mean people of mixed Jewish and Hungarian background, they do live in Budapest for sure, but from my research I didn't find any evidence that Jews had any real impact on the population of Budapest and its surroundings who are mostly of Hungarian ethnic origin, since the Red Sea and East Med average is one of the lowest among any Hungarian reference group.

European Jews mostly kept to themself, according to what I have been told they began mixing with locals quite recently (and only non religious ones)

[Leto]

If you mean people of mixed Jewish and Hungarian background, they do live in Budapest for sure, but from my research I didn't find any evidence that Jews had any real impact on the population of Budapest and its surroundings who are mostly of Hungarian ethnic origin, since the Red Sea, West Asian and East Med averages are one of the lowest among any Hungarian reference groups.
Yes, this is what I mean, Feiichy kinda missed the point. Jewish admixture, I wasn't talking about how many synagogues there are in Budapest and how many people attend them.

[Leto]

European Jews mostly kept to themself, according to what I have been told they began mixing with locals quite recently (and only non religious ones)
Since the end of WW2 they have been mixing a lot (non-Orthodox and outside of Israel obviously). In the Soviet Union that became common in the 1950-60s and in the US too, I think.

[vbnetkhio]

Hungarians are more Northern, but not much more. The map is not properly oriented, it needs at least 45 degrees counter-clockwise rotation. I explained why earlier.

Anyhow, reading cardinal directions on a PCA is a risky business. While there is a correspondence to geographical coordinates, people need to understand that PCA only maps datapoints to orthogonal coordinates, which destroys all the non-linearities in the data. This is why we cannot say whether an individual datapoint is more northern or sourthern than another one close-by, but we can still have some conclusions on regional averages.

this is a t-sne, not a pca.
if i got it right, t-sne groups samples in a dozen cloud-like clusters , and then similar clouds are placed close to each other.

every sample has to be placed in a cluster so similar samples can sometimes end up somewhat far away.

[Jana]

Yes, this is what I mean, Feiichy kinda missed the point. Jewish admixture, I wasn't talking about how many synagogues there are in Budapest and how many people attend them.

You asked weather there is significant Jewish population in Budapest. There is. But they are Jews, not Hungarians except some who assimilated but I don't think they are numerous.

[Jana]

Alfold Hungarians are now 2nd closest population to my father after Zagreb Croats. Pretty interesting, since he is typical Croat genetically.

Distance to: Feiichy_Father

3.16011076 Croat_Zagreb
3.22494021 Hungarian_Alfold
3.57088224 Croat_Bosnia
3.73426030 Croat_Herzegovina
3.76193260 Hungarian
3.82510131 Moldova_North
3.84637492 Croat_Split
3.90891289 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
4.05362259 Slovenian
4.09924495 Hungarian_Transylvania
4.41056686 Serb_B&H
4.48023785 Hungarian_Budapest
4.56132656 Bosniak
4.71285448 Hungarian_Szekely
4.88577145 Bosniak_Sarajevo
4.89108972 Hungarian_Transdanubia
4.96456443 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
4.99282485 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
5.13834908 Hungarian_Csango
5.44017463 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.76550085 Serb_Croatia
5.83325809 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
5.95590463 Serb_B&H_Krajina
6.15433181 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
6.33660793 Serb

[Dunai]

Alfold Hungarians are now 2nd closest population to my father after Zagreb Croats. Pretty interesting, since he is typical Croat genetically.


I noticed how Croat_Zagreb scores much more northern than rest of Croatian references, almost on same level with Slovenian and Alföld. I would be also curious of a Croat_Slavonia reference.

[Jana]

I noticed how Croat_Zagreb scores much more northern than rest of Croatian references, almost on same level with Slovenian and Alföld. I would be also curious of a Croat_Slavonia reference.

Here are brand new Croat averages Vbnethkio made from samples I send him:
You can check how they compare to Hungarian ones.

Croat,27.48,32.33,15.42,8.08,12.72,1.46,0.47,0.28, 0.55,0.55,0.38,0.09,0.13
Croat_Bosnia,27.16,32.16,15.65,7.10,13.79,1.69,0.7 2,0.17,0.60,0.33,0.43,0.08,0.13
Croat_Central,30.74,33.57,14.42,7.73,9.37,1.29,0.9 1,0.08,0.44,0.55,0.56,0.06,0.37
Croat_Dalmatia,26.27,31.20,16.25,8.39,13.68,1.60,0 .44,0.25,0.59,0.55,0.49,0.13,0.14
Croat_Gorski-kotar,31.53,32.50,14.46,7.52,10.28,1.15,0.62,0.29, 0.53,0.55,0.31,0.14,0.12
Croat_Herzegovina,25.13,32.43,15.65,8.53,14.33,1.2 1,0.56,0.20,0.57,0.56,0.41,0.02,0.11
Croat_Istria,25.62,32.50,15.94,8.05,14.40,1.80,0.2 1,0.37,0.24,0.25,0.43,0.06,0.13
Croat_Lika-Senj,26.68,32.74,15.19,7.93,13.18,1.91,0.32,0.31,0 .60,0.53,0.40,0.11,0.11
Croat_Slavonia,27.54,30.87,14.31,10.36,13.14,1.12, 0.00,0.16,1.31,1.17,0.01,0.00,0.03
Croat_Tropolje,26.02,31.63,15.82,9.63,12.86,1.57,0 .38,0.59,0.53,0.63,0.12,0.11,0.11
Croat_Zagorje,31.65,34.32,13.07,7.78,8.75,1.54,0.7 4,0.55,0.29,0.82,0.23,0.09,0.16
Croat_Zagreb,28.94,33.94,14.98,7.10,11.16,1.43,0.3 7,0.44,0.52,0.44,0.47,0.15,0.17

I'll send them to Luksaz now.
Slavonia reference has very little samples unfortunately but I brought test for one Slavonian woman from my island week ago so her results will be added when I get them :)

[Lucas]

Here are brand new Croat averages Vbnethkio made from samples I send him:
You can check how they compare to Hungarian ones.

Croat,27.48,32.33,15.42,8.08,12.72,1.46,0.47,0.28, 0.55,0.55,0.38,0.09,0.13
Croat_Bosnia,27.16,32.16,15.65,7.10,13.79,1.69,0.7 2,0.17,0.60,0.33,0.43,0.08,0.13
Croat_Central,30.74,33.57,14.42,7.73,9.37,1.29,0.9 1,0.08,0.44,0.55,0.56,0.06,0.37
Croat_Dalmatia,26.27,31.20,16.25,8.39,13.68,1.60,0 .44,0.25,0.59,0.55,0.49,0.13,0.14
Croat_Gorski-kotar,31.53,32.50,14.46,7.52,10.28,1.15,0.62,0.29, 0.53,0.55,0.31,0.14,0.12
Croat_Herzegovina,25.13,32.43,15.65,8.53,14.33,1.2 1,0.56,0.20,0.57,0.56,0.41,0.02,0.11
Croat_Istria,25.62,32.50,15.94,8.05,14.40,1.80,0.2 1,0.37,0.24,0.25,0.43,0.06,0.13
Croat_Lika-Senj,26.68,32.74,15.19,7.93,13.18,1.91,0.32,0.31,0 .60,0.53,0.40,0.11,0.11
Croat_Slavonia,27.54,30.87,14.31,10.36,13.14,1.12, 0.00,0.16,1.31,1.17,0.01,0.00,0.03
Croat_Tropolje,26.02,31.63,15.82,9.63,12.86,1.57,0 .38,0.59,0.53,0.63,0.12,0.11,0.11
Croat_Zagorje,31.65,34.32,13.07,7.78,8.75,1.54,0.7 4,0.55,0.29,0.82,0.23,0.09,0.16
Croat_Zagreb,28.94,33.94,14.98,7.10,11.16,1.43,0.3 7,0.44,0.52,0.44,0.47,0.15,0.17

I'll send them to Luksaz now.
Slavonia reference has very little samples unfortunately but I brought test for one Slavonian woman from my island week ago so her results will be added when I get them :)

So to be sure, I can add your Croat refs again?

[Jana]

So to be sure, I can add your Croat refs again?

Absolutely, they are replacement for current ones! :thumb001:

[Dunai]

Here are brand new Croat averages Vbnethkio made from samples I send him:
You can check how they compare to Hungarian ones.

Croat,27.48,32.33,15.42,8.08,12.72,1.46,0.47,0.28, 0.55,0.55,0.38,0.09,0.13
Croat_Bosnia,27.16,32.16,15.65,7.10,13.79,1.69,0.7 2,0.17,0.60,0.33,0.43,0.08,0.13
Croat_Central,30.74,33.57,14.42,7.73,9.37,1.29,0.9 1,0.08,0.44,0.55,0.56,0.06,0.37
Croat_Dalmatia,26.27,31.20,16.25,8.39,13.68,1.60,0 .44,0.25,0.59,0.55,0.49,0.13,0.14
Croat_Gorski-kotar,31.53,32.50,14.46,7.52,10.28,1.15,0.62,0.29, 0.53,0.55,0.31,0.14,0.12
Croat_Herzegovina,25.13,32.43,15.65,8.53,14.33,1.2 1,0.56,0.20,0.57,0.56,0.41,0.02,0.11
Croat_Istria,25.62,32.50,15.94,8.05,14.40,1.80,0.2 1,0.37,0.24,0.25,0.43,0.06,0.13
Croat_Lika-Senj,26.68,32.74,15.19,7.93,13.18,1.91,0.32,0.31,0 .60,0.53,0.40,0.11,0.11
Croat_Slavonia,27.54,30.87,14.31,10.36,13.14,1.12, 0.00,0.16,1.31,1.17,0.01,0.00,0.03
Croat_Tropolje,26.02,31.63,15.82,9.63,12.86,1.57,0 .38,0.59,0.53,0.63,0.12,0.11,0.11
Croat_Zagorje,31.65,34.32,13.07,7.78,8.75,1.54,0.7 4,0.55,0.29,0.82,0.23,0.09,0.16
Croat_Zagreb,28.94,33.94,14.98,7.10,11.16,1.43,0.3 7,0.44,0.52,0.44,0.47,0.15,0.17

I'll send them to Luksaz now.
Slavonia reference has very little samples unfortunately but I brought test for one Slavonian woman from my island week ago so her results will be added when I get them :)

Central, Zagorje, Zagreb and Gorski Kotar are almost identical to many Hungarian samples.

[Jana]

Stears is closest to Slavonian Croat current average, than North Moldovans, than Transylvanian Hungarians! Really interesting :)

Distance to: Stears

4.14781870 Croat_Slavonia
4.88169028 Moldova_North
5.19578764 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.28762388 Hungarian_Alfold
5.29694720 Hungarian
5.40105545 Croat
5.43560484 Croat_Tropolje
5.57366535 Hungarian_Budapest
5.63603584 Croat_Central
5.77897915 Croat_Gorski-kotar
5.81944896 Hungarian_Szekely
5.90114396 Croat_Lika-Senj
5.90746985 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
5.91869073 Croat_Zagreb
6.14769519 Slovenian
6.18825212 Hungarian_Transdanubia
6.23872391 Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.25715840 Hungarian_Csango
6.32157417 Croat_Zagorje
6.39435689 Croat_Dalmatia
6.41018720 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
6.55971798 Croat_Bosnia
6.68739112 Bosniak
6.81149763 Croat_Herzegovina
7.01682264 Serb_B&H

Target: Stears
Distance: 1.0356% / 1.03557685 | ADC: 0.25x

53.8 Croat_Slavonia
27.0 Croat_Zagorje
9.4 Hungarian_Budapest
4.6 Tatar
4.0 Kalash
1.2 North-Swedish

Me in comparison, Budapest Hungarians are my 3rd closest population :)

Distance to: Feiichy

4.42670306 Croat_Central
4.58312121 Croat_Gorski-kotar
4.67939706 Hungarian_Budapest
4.75888632 Slovenian
4.83755382 Hungarian
4.90199106 Hungarian_Alfold
5.09031433 Croat_Zagreb
5.17519082 Croat_Slavonia
5.34138559 Croat
5.35612192 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.41770247 Moldova_North
5.54846826 Croat_Zagorje
5.64329691 Croat_Tropolje
5.88796550 Hungarian_Transylvania
6.22590556 Croat_Lika-Senj
6.54262944 Croat_Dalmatia
6.68619473 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
6.75591943 Hungarian_Szekely
6.78040559 Croat_Bosnia
6.79453457 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
7.05248638 Hungarian_Northern
7.20816204 Serb_B&H
7.36825624 Bosniak
7.40686843 Croat_Herzegovina
7.44940266 Croat_Istria

[Dunai]

After making a slight update to the Hungarian sample after a few months I wanted to try out K13 Updated again, but this time I omitted all the regional populations, and keep only the national average, except in those cases where there is no national average yet. In distances I will only post those under 10 and with such large population reference I chose 0.5x.

Target: Hungarian_Alfold
Distance: 0.6436% / 0.64356938 | ADC: 0.5x
49.6 Hungarian
25.2 Croat
24.6 Slovenian
0.6 Chuvash

Distance to: Hungarian_Alfold
1.48858994 Hungarian
1.75824153 Slovenian
2.38168008 Croat
5.48371262 Slovak
6.13996743 Bosniak
7.40875833 Czech
8.28759917 Serb
8.55384709 Moldovan
9.09072604 Austrian
9.41318225 East_German

Target: Hungarian_Budapest
Distance: 0.5313% / 0.53134927 | ADC: 0.5x
91.0 Hungarian
5.0 East_German
4.0 Austrian

Distance to: Hungarian_Budapest
1.09393784 Hungarian
2.54784483 Slovenian
4.28142500 Croat
5.64597034 Slovak
6.61181518 Czech
6.72015625 Austrian
7.21339033 East_German
7.81519034 Bosniak
9.66392777 Serb

Target: Hungarian_Northern
Distance: 1.1188% / 1.11884158 | ADC: 0.5x
63.4 Slovak
31.0 Hungarian
5.6 Czech

Distance to: Hungarian_Northern
2.25399908 Slovak
3.67153516 Slovenian
3.68114113 Czech
3.92784928 Hungarian
6.04310351 Croat
7.17069732 Sorbian
7.82656374 East_German
8.68563181 Austrian
9.54440674 Ukrainian
9.90809265 Bosniak

Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia
Distance: 0.6332% / 0.63317307 | ADC: 0.5x
82.6 Hungarian
17.4 Austrian

Distance to: Hungarian_Transdanubia
1.76139150 Hungarian
3.33172827 Slovenian
4.77730049 Croat
6.01995847 Austrian
6.22697577 Slovak
6.81282614 East_German
6.86541332 Czech
8.19404662 Bosniak
9.89893429 Serb

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 1.7699% / 1.76989172 | ADC: 0.5x
71.6 Hungarian
27.4 Montenegrin
0.6 Veneto
0.4 Crimean_Tatar

Distance to: Hungarian_Transylvania
4.19114543 Croat
4.44148624 Hungarian
4.89247381 Bosniak
5.64433335 Slovenian
5.85709826 Serb
6.56004573 Moldovan
8.60065114 Montenegrin
9.14686832 Romanian
9.57868467 Austrian
9.88747947 Slovak

Target: Hungarian_Szekely
Distance: 1.9705% / 1.97054638 | ADC: 0.5x
60.0 Hungarian
33.2 Montenegrin
6.0 Serb
0.8 Karakalpak

Distance to: Hungarian_Szekely
4.70165928 Bosniak
4.85921804 Croat
5.26276543 Serb
5.49800873 Hungarian
5.92166362 Moldovan
6.80973560 Slovenian
7.71431786 Montenegrin
8.15041717 Romanian
9.59414062 Macedonian


Target: Hungarian_Csango
Distance: 1.7616% / 1.76159382 | ADC: 0.5x
64.6 Bosniak
31.2 Hungarian
1.8 Kirgiz
1.2 French
1.2 Portuguese

Distance to: Hungarian_Csango
3.82497059 Bosniak
4.08957210 Croat
4.93146023 Serb
5.23718436 Hungarian
5.25519743 Moldovan
6.19407427 Slovenian
8.03031133 Montenegrin
8.23965412 Romanian
9.83840826 Macedonian

[Jana]

Slovenians are overall closest population to Hungarians. Post above got to same conclusion I did months ago with much fewer samples.

[Dunai]

Slovenians are overall closest population to Hungarians. Post above got to same conclusion I did months ago with much fewer samples.

Very true, and also Croatians are very close, the others, maybe except Slovaks, are somewhat distant to Hungarians.

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 1.3799% / 1.37987439 | ADC: 0.5x
65.0 Slovenian
23.8 Croat
10.4 Austrian
0.6 West_German
0.2 Altaian

Distance to: Hungarian
2.14624898 Slovenian
3.34154156 Croat
5.67710418 Slovak
6.94772625 Bosniak
7.03856519 Czech
7.67561072 Austrian
8.18562765 East_German
8.89328961 Serb
9.32467694 Moldovan

[Dunai]

I am working currently on a pretty significant update to the various Hungarian averages, as in, I will add way more samples to them. So if anyone else would like to provide more quality results, please share here.

[Dunai]

As I promised, I have finally managed to gather enough feedback to update pretty significantly the number of samples for the new Hungarian averages. I will write in brackets after each average, based on how many samples are they based on. The new difference is that the Hungarian national average I am basing it on a weighed aggregate, meaning, I am including all Hungarian regions (plus all Hungarian samples where I couldn't determine the region), except Székely and Csángó, and based on last official national censuses, each region weighs as many percentages as the number of declared ethnic Hungarians living there. Thus, after plenty of formulas and calculations, these are the new averages:

Hungarian,30.52,32.40,14.21,7.17,10.58,1.23,0.92,0 .51,1.19,0.56,0.36,0.19,0.16 (N=378)
Hungarian_Alföld,29.33,33.01,14.59,7.21,10.63,1.26 ,0.68,0.67,1.28,0.62,0.39,0.2,0.11 (N=73)
Hungarian_Budapest,31.23,32.45,14.11,7.29,9.79,1.3 7,0.91,0.59,1.06,0.51,0.3,0.22,0.16 (N=59)
Hungarian_Northern,30.35,35.36,13.29,6.2,10.12,0.7 5,1.05,0.5,1.16,0.51,0.38,0.15,0.17 (N=42)
Hungarian_Transdanubia,31.72,31.63,13.96,7.34,10.5 6,1.07,0.98,0.4,1.08,0.56,0.31,0.17,0.2 (N=71)
Hungarian_Transylvania,28.82,28.63,15.09,8.19,12.3 2,1.53,1.2,0.52,2.17,0.73,0.5,0.14,0.11 (N=20)
Csángó,27.24,29.39,15.24,7.75,12.54,1.61,1.36,1.45 ,2.06,0.79,0.37,0.09,0.13 (N=11)
Székely,28.1,28.52,15.06,8.2,13.03,1.29,0.95,0.88, 2.33,0.74,0.3,0.23,0.14 (N=40)

[Jana]

As I promised, I have finally managed to gather enough feedback to update pretty significantly the number of samples for the new Hungarian averages. I will write in brackets after each average, based on how many samples are they based on. The new difference is that the Hungarian national average I am basing it on a weighed aggregate, meaning, I am including all Hungarian regions (plus all Hungarian samples where I couldn't determine the region), except Székely and Csángó, and based on last official national censuses, each region weighs as many percentages as the number of declared ethnic Hungarians living there. Thus, after plenty of formulas and calculations, these are the new averages:

Hungarian,30.52,32.40,14.21,7.17,10.58,1.23,0.92,0 .51,1.19,0.56,0.36,0.19,0.16 (N=378)
Hungarian_Alföld,29.33,33.01,14.59,7.21,10.63,1.26 ,0.68,0.67,1.28,0.62,0.39,0.2,0.11 (N=73)
Hungarian_Budapest,31.23,32.45,14.11,7.29,9.79,1.3 7,0.91,0.59,1.06,0.51,0.3,0.22,0.16 (N=59)
Hungarian_Northern,30.35,35.36,13.29,6.2,10.12,0.7 5,1.05,0.5,1.16,0.51,0.38,0.15,0.17 (N=42)
Hungarian_Transdanubia,31.72,31.63,13.96,7.34,10.5 6,1.07,0.98,0.4,1.08,0.56,0.31,0.17,0.2 (N=71)
Hungarian_Transylvania,28.82,28.63,15.09,8.19,12.3 2,1.53,1.2,0.52,2.17,0.73,0.5,0.14,0.11 (N=20)
Csángó,27.24,29.39,15.24,7.75,12.54,1.61,1.36,1.45 ,2.06,0.79,0.37,0.09,0.13 (N=11)
Székely,28.1,28.52,15.06,8.2,13.03,1.29,0.95,0.88, 2.33,0.74,0.3,0.23,0.14 (N=40)

Doesn't make sense not to include Csango and Szekely as they are ethnic Hungarians. I would make one weighted average including all Hungarians and other for Hungarians from Hungary.

[Leto]

I'm not trolling but are there Hungarian Roma kits out there? I've seen maybe one only. Would like to see if they score differently from those to the South of them.

[Dunai]

Doesn't make sense not to include Csango and Szekely as they are ethnic Hungarians. I would make one weighted average including all Hungarians and other for Hungarians from Hungary.

People in regions from Hungary overlap with Hungarians living in the neighboring regions from the neighboring countries, since based on my numerous email exchanges I was confirmed that many great grandparents were born in nearby areas, which are currently outside of Hungary. The Székelys and Csángós are the only Hungarian speakers who identify differently from rest of Hungarians, that's why I have them separately.

[andre]

With my new model


Slavic,30.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00, 1.56,0.89,0.00,0.42,0.00
Slavic,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13, 0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0. 1,0,1.12,0
Slavic,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0 .13,1.42,0.62
Slavic,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86, 0.48,1.27,0
Slavic,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4.86,0,0,1.29,0.94,1. 44,0.09,0,1.85
Slavic,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0, 0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Germanic,53.01,27.98,7.21,5.65,0.79,1.05,2.78,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.99,0.55,0.00
Germanic,47.25,26.28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0.00,1.09,0.0 0,0.00,0.90,1.69,0.00,0.00
Germanic,51.91,27.94,8.54,6.68,0.00,1.86,0.46,0.00 ,0.00,1.60,0.70,0.30,0.00
Germanic,48.77,31.63,9.58,6.50,0.00,0.00,1.35,0.00 ,0.85,0.66,0.45,0.00,0.21
Germanic,47.64,28.46,10.25,7.39,1.26,0.36,1.80,0.0 0,0.00,0.17,2.66,0.00,0.00
Germanic,44.98,24.15,12.94,4.79,7.58,1.68,1.28,0.2 1,0.03,1.36,0.99,0.00,0.00
Germanic,45.82,23.76,11.98,5.35,9.95,0.37,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,1.40,0.65,0.71,0.00
Germanic,50.80,27.85,9.46,7.27,0.17,0.52,2.02,0.00 ,1.24,0.00,0.66,0.00,0.00
Germanic,50.62,30.54,10.69,2.85,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,2.29,0.38,1.12,0.00,1.50
Germanic,48.86,27.94,10.52,5.59,1.58,1.62,1.24,0.0 0,0.73,1.09,0.59,0.00,0.24
Germanic,51.25,28.48,10.25,3.67,0.90,0.62,4.07,0.0 0,0.40,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic,50.82,27.96,8.13,4.15,4.48,1.91,0.67,0.31 ,0.00,1.29,0.29,0.00,0.00
Germanic,51.40,26.75,12.42,4.27,1.30,1.75,0.00,0.8 5,0.83,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.00
Germanic,48.87,28.93,9.99,6.36,2.26,0.00,0.00,0.50 ,1.89,0.00,0.45,0.76,0.00
Germanic,49.96,27.68,9.25,8.59,0.00,1.17,0.00,0.00 ,1.12,0.35,0.83,0.30,0.75
Greco-Roman,27.23,12.70,19.97,9.12,24.57,4.66,0.00,0.87, 0.00,0.17,0.22,0.00,0.48
Greco-Roman,24.86,12.81,26.77,10.30,20.31,3.25,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.04,1.66,0.00
Greco-Roman,27.55,12.54,21.21,10.55,21.86,4.50,0.32,0.40 ,0.16,0.01,0.48,0.00,0.41
Greco-Roman,27.19,11.40,22.23,11.36,21.87,1.10,2.00,0.00 ,1.35,0.59,0.91,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,20.96,7.80,22.42,12.21,31.83,3.56,0.00,0.35, 0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00,0.63
Greco-Roman,31.64,10.34,24.24,8.69,21.60,1.59,0.35,0.00, 0.00,0.73,0.82,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,11.26,2.52,25.12,19.43,32.95,5.15,1.74,0.00, 0.00,0.00,1.28,0.41,0.13
Greco-Roman,13.96,3.06,21.79,20.09,31.88,8.58,0.00,0.30, 0.00,0.00,0.33,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,30.28,11.03,22.92,11.27,18.52,2.83,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,1.93,0.00,0.00,1.22
Greco-Roman,17.03,1.66,19.44,20.33,31.48,6.62,0.00,1.01, 0.00,0.82,0.00,0.96,0.66
Greco-Roman,19.34,7.54,23.11,14.85,27.41,5.41,0.00,0.71, 0.00,0.12,0.11,1.42,0.00
Greco-Roman,11.90,4.81,20.76,18.38,35.87,6.57,0.05,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.38,1.28,0.00
Greco-Roman,26.09,8.87,21.51,14.43,23.33,4.46,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.43,0.27,0.61
Turkic,16.40,19.36,4.93,10.03,4.18,0.00,2.99,19.60 ,18.26,2.53,0.94,0.00,0.77
Turkic,7.18,16.09,0.72,12.44,0.00,0.00,5.24,14.38, 40.88,2.79,0.28,0.00,0.00
Turkic,9.14,9.82,0.00,20.60,3.24,3.16,7.31,18.95,2 4.40,1.38,0.44,0.00,1.55
Turkic,9.99,13.62,0.65,17.63,14.60,5.88,9.22,14.06 ,11.26,0.09,0.55,0.90,1.57
Turkic,14.61,21.44,2.01,17.50,0.00,1.10,5.31,8.40, 25.72,2.26,1.14,0.50,0.00

Target: Székely
Distance: 0.0764% / 0.07643307
47.4 Slavic
41.0 Greco-Roman
7.2 Germanic
4.4 Turkic

Target: Csángó
Distance: 0.3292% / 0.32917975
50.4 Slavic
40.2 Greco-Roman
5.8 Turkic
3.6 Germanic

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 0.1320% / 0.13195354
45.2 Slavic
42.0 Greco-Roman
9.2 Germanic
3.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia
Distance: 0.0251% / 0.02509347
51.0 Slavic
30.2 Greco-Roman
18.2 Germanic
0.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Northern
Distance: 0.3241% / 0.32406589
65.0 Slavic
23.0 Greco-Roman
11.4 Germanic
0.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Budapest
Distance: 0.0709% / 0.07087725
53.8 Slavic
29.2 Greco-Roman
16.2 Germanic
0.8 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Alföld
Distance: 0.1186% / 0.11861279
60.6 Slavic
31.0 Greco-Roman
7.2 Germanic
1.2 Turkic

[Dunai]

With my new model



Mine compared to Hungarian average:
Target: Dunai
Distance: 0.3821% / 0.38213549
36.6 Slavic
35.2 Germanic
23.8 Greco-Roman
4.4 Turkic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.0594% / 0.05940071
54.4 Slavic
30.6 Greco-Roman
14.2 Germanic
0.8 Turkic

[andre]

Mine compared to Hungarian average:
Target: Dunai
Distance: 0.3821% / 0.38213549
36.6 Slavic
35.2 Germanic
23.8 Greco-Roman
4.4 Turkic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.0594% / 0.05940071
54.4 Slavic
30.6 Greco-Roman
14.2 Germanic
0.8 Turkic

Do you have recent german ancestry?

[Abriekman]

With my new model


Slavic,30.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00, 1.56,0.89,0.00,0.42,0.00
Slavic,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13, 0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0. 1,0,1.12,0
Slavic,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0 .13,1.42,0.62
Slavic,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86, 0.48,1.27,0
Slavic,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4.86,0,0,1.29,0.94,1. 44,0.09,0,1.85
Slavic,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0, 0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Germanic,53.01,27.98,7.21,5.65,0.79,1.05,2.78,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.99,0.55,0.00
Germanic,47.25,26.28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0.00,1.09,0.0 0,0.00,0.90,1.69,0.00,0.00
Germanic,51.91,27.94,8.54,6.68,0.00,1.86,0.46,0.00 ,0.00,1.60,0.70,0.30,0.00
Germanic,48.77,31.63,9.58,6.50,0.00,0.00,1.35,0.00 ,0.85,0.66,0.45,0.00,0.21
Germanic,47.64,28.46,10.25,7.39,1.26,0.36,1.80,0.0 0,0.00,0.17,2.66,0.00,0.00
Germanic,44.98,24.15,12.94,4.79,7.58,1.68,1.28,0.2 1,0.03,1.36,0.99,0.00,0.00
Germanic,45.82,23.76,11.98,5.35,9.95,0.37,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,1.40,0.65,0.71,0.00
Germanic,50.80,27.85,9.46,7.27,0.17,0.52,2.02,0.00 ,1.24,0.00,0.66,0.00,0.00
Germanic,50.62,30.54,10.69,2.85,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,2.29,0.38,1.12,0.00,1.50
Germanic,48.86,27.94,10.52,5.59,1.58,1.62,1.24,0.0 0,0.73,1.09,0.59,0.00,0.24
Germanic,51.25,28.48,10.25,3.67,0.90,0.62,4.07,0.0 0,0.40,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic,50.82,27.96,8.13,4.15,4.48,1.91,0.67,0.31 ,0.00,1.29,0.29,0.00,0.00
Germanic,51.40,26.75,12.42,4.27,1.30,1.75,0.00,0.8 5,0.83,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.00
Germanic,48.87,28.93,9.99,6.36,2.26,0.00,0.00,0.50 ,1.89,0.00,0.45,0.76,0.00
Germanic,49.96,27.68,9.25,8.59,0.00,1.17,0.00,0.00 ,1.12,0.35,0.83,0.30,0.75
Greco-Roman,27.23,12.70,19.97,9.12,24.57,4.66,0.00,0.87, 0.00,0.17,0.22,0.00,0.48
Greco-Roman,24.86,12.81,26.77,10.30,20.31,3.25,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.04,1.66,0.00
Greco-Roman,27.55,12.54,21.21,10.55,21.86,4.50,0.32,0.40 ,0.16,0.01,0.48,0.00,0.41
Greco-Roman,27.19,11.40,22.23,11.36,21.87,1.10,2.00,0.00 ,1.35,0.59,0.91,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,20.96,7.80,22.42,12.21,31.83,3.56,0.00,0.35, 0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00,0.63
Greco-Roman,31.64,10.34,24.24,8.69,21.60,1.59,0.35,0.00, 0.00,0.73,0.82,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,11.26,2.52,25.12,19.43,32.95,5.15,1.74,0.00, 0.00,0.00,1.28,0.41,0.13
Greco-Roman,13.96,3.06,21.79,20.09,31.88,8.58,0.00,0.30, 0.00,0.00,0.33,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,30.28,11.03,22.92,11.27,18.52,2.83,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,1.93,0.00,0.00,1.22
Greco-Roman,17.03,1.66,19.44,20.33,31.48,6.62,0.00,1.01, 0.00,0.82,0.00,0.96,0.66
Greco-Roman,19.34,7.54,23.11,14.85,27.41,5.41,0.00,0.71, 0.00,0.12,0.11,1.42,0.00
Greco-Roman,11.90,4.81,20.76,18.38,35.87,6.57,0.05,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.38,1.28,0.00
Greco-Roman,26.09,8.87,21.51,14.43,23.33,4.46,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.43,0.27,0.61
Turkic,16.40,19.36,4.93,10.03,4.18,0.00,2.99,19.60 ,18.26,2.53,0.94,0.00,0.77
Turkic,7.18,16.09,0.72,12.44,0.00,0.00,5.24,14.38, 40.88,2.79,0.28,0.00,0.00
Turkic,9.14,9.82,0.00,20.60,3.24,3.16,7.31,18.95,2 4.40,1.38,0.44,0.00,1.55
Turkic,9.99,13.62,0.65,17.63,14.60,5.88,9.22,14.06 ,11.26,0.09,0.55,0.90,1.57
Turkic,14.61,21.44,2.01,17.50,0.00,1.10,5.31,8.40, 25.72,2.26,1.14,0.50,0.00

Target: Székely
Distance: 0.0764% / 0.07643307
47.4 Slavic
41.0 Greco-Roman
7.2 Germanic
4.4 Turkic

Target: Csángó
Distance: 0.3292% / 0.32917975
50.4 Slavic
40.2 Greco-Roman
5.8 Turkic
3.6 Germanic

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 0.1320% / 0.13195354
45.2 Slavic
42.0 Greco-Roman
9.2 Germanic
3.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia
Distance: 0.0251% / 0.02509347
51.0 Slavic
30.2 Greco-Roman
18.2 Germanic
0.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Northern
Distance: 0.3241% / 0.32406589
65.0 Slavic
23.0 Greco-Roman
11.4 Germanic
0.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Budapest
Distance: 0.0709% / 0.07087725
53.8 Slavic
29.2 Greco-Roman
16.2 Germanic
0.8 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Alföld
Distance: 0.1186% / 0.11861279
60.6 Slavic
31.0 Greco-Roman
7.2 Germanic
1.2 Turkic

Target: Abriekman
Distance: 3.8162% / 3.81624318
85.0 Slavic
12.6 Greco-Roman
2.4 Turkic

What are Greco-Roman, Slavic and Turkic references on this model?

[Dunai]

Do you have recent german ancestry?

Yes, I posted recently in my thread about family trees, that out of my 16 great great grandparents, 2.5 of them were (Alföld) Danube Swabians, 13 Alföld Hungarians and 0.5 (Alföld) Slovaks.

[andre]

Target: Abriekman
Distance: 3.8162% / 3.81624318
85.0 Slavic
12.6 Greco-Roman
2.4 Turkic

What are Greco-Roman, Slavic and Turkic references on this model?

I don't remember exactly, put it on k13 ancient and you will discover.

[Abriekman]

I don't remember exactly, put it on k13 ancient and you will discover.

High Turkic for mostly Slav I think I have, can be from Cuban Cossack ancestry?

[Dušan]

Sorry for offtopic, just to try calculator :p


With my new model




Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.6620% / 2.66202114
69.0 Slavic
30.4 Greco-Roman
0.6 Turkic

[andre]

High Turkic for mostly Slav I think I have, can be from Cuban Cossack ancestry?

Sephardic jews have a lot of levantine admixture and in my model the only asian component is turkic.. so, you score more turkic due to the lack of levantine components in my model. Anyway, the only way to discover if you have Kuban Cossack ancestry it's with documents, not with genetic calculators.
Don't get obsessed by little percents.

[Abriekman]

Sephardic jews have a lot of levantine admixture and in my model the only asian component is turkic.. so, you score more turkic due to the lack of levantine components in my model. Anyway, the only way to discover if you have Kuban Cossack ancestry it's with documents, not with genetic calculators.
Don't get obsessed by little percents.

I have known Cuban Cossack ancestry, that why I am thinking about this.
Probably you are right about this, I have never scored Turkic on other calculator and my Cuban Cossack ancestor was mostly Russian-like

[Jana]

People in regions from Hungary overlap with Hungarians living in the neighboring regions from the neighboring countries, since based on my numerous email exchanges I was confirmed that many great grandparents were born in nearby areas, which are currently outside of Hungary. The Székelys and Csángós are the only Hungarian speakers who identify differently from rest of Hungarians, that's why I have them separately.

You are right, that makes sense. Great work by the way!

[Jana]

With my new model

Target: Stears
Distance: 1.3290% / 1.32898647

49.4 Slavic
24.0 Greco-Roman
21.4 Germanic
5.2 Turkic

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 3.2756% / 3.27564916

50.6 Slavic
31.6 Greco-Roman
17.8 Germanic

My fit is poor compared to others here though. Illyrian samples work quite better for me than Greco-Roman.

[oszkar07]

andre;6955495]With my new model


Slavic,30.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00, 1.56,0.89,0.00,0.42,0.00
Slavic,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13, 0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0. 1,0,1.12,0
Slavic,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0 .13,1.42,0.62
Slavic,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86, 0.48,1.27,0
Slavic,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4.86,0,0,1.29,0.94,1. 44,0.09,0,1.85
Slavic,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0, 0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Germanic,53.01,27.98,7.21,5.65,0.79,1.05,2.78,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.99,0.55,0.00
Germanic,47.25,26.28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0.00,1.09,0.0 0,0.00,0.90,1.69,0.00,0.00
Germanic,51.91,27.94,8.54,6.68,0.00,1.86,0.46,0.00 ,0.00,1.60,0.70,0.30,0.00
Germanic,48.77,31.63,9.58,6.50,0.00,0.00,1.35,0.00 ,0.85,0.66,0.45,0.00,0.21
Germanic,47.64,28.46,10.25,7.39,1.26,0.36,1.80,0.0 0,0.00,0.17,2.66,0.00,0.00
Germanic,44.98,24.15,12.94,4.79,7.58,1.68,1.28,0.2 1,0.03,1.36,0.99,0.00,0.00
Germanic,45.82,23.76,11.98,5.35,9.95,0.37,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,1.40,0.65,0.71,0.00
Germanic,50.80,27.85,9.46,7.27,0.17,0.52,2.02,0.00 ,1.24,0.00,0.66,0.00,0.00
Germanic,50.62,30.54,10.69,2.85,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,2.29,0.38,1.12,0.00,1.50
Germanic,48.86,27.94,10.52,5.59,1.58,1.62,1.24,0.0 0,0.73,1.09,0.59,0.00,0.24
Germanic,51.25,28.48,10.25,3.67,0.90,0.62,4.07,0.0 0,0.40,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic,50.82,27.96,8.13,4.15,4.48,1.91,0.67,0.31 ,0.00,1.29,0.29,0.00,0.00
Germanic,51.40,26.75,12.42,4.27,1.30,1.75,0.00,0.8 5,0.83,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.00
Germanic,48.87,28.93,9.99,6.36,2.26,0.00,0.00,0.50 ,1.89,0.00,0.45,0.76,0.00
Germanic,49.96,27.68,9.25,8.59,0.00,1.17,0.00,0.00 ,1.12,0.35,0.83,0.30,0.75
Greco-Roman,27.23,12.70,19.97,9.12,24.57,4.66,0.00,0.87, 0.00,0.17,0.22,0.00,0.48
Greco-Roman,24.86,12.81,26.77,10.30,20.31,3.25,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.04,1.66,0.00
Greco-Roman,27.55,12.54,21.21,10.55,21.86,4.50,0.32,0.40 ,0.16,0.01,0.48,0.00,0.41
Greco-Roman,27.19,11.40,22.23,11.36,21.87,1.10,2.00,0.00 ,1.35,0.59,0.91,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,20.96,7.80,22.42,12.21,31.83,3.56,0.00,0.35, 0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00,0.63
Greco-Roman,31.64,10.34,24.24,8.69,21.60,1.59,0.35,0.00, 0.00,0.73,0.82,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,11.26,2.52,25.12,19.43,32.95,5.15,1.74,0.00, 0.00,0.00,1.28,0.41,0.13
Greco-Roman,13.96,3.06,21.79,20.09,31.88,8.58,0.00,0.30, 0.00,0.00,0.33,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,30.28,11.03,22.92,11.27,18.52,2.83,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,1.93,0.00,0.00,1.22
Greco-Roman,17.03,1.66,19.44,20.33,31.48,6.62,0.00,1.01, 0.00,0.82,0.00,0.96,0.66
Greco-Roman,19.34,7.54,23.11,14.85,27.41,5.41,0.00,0.71, 0.00,0.12,0.11,1.42,0.00
Greco-Roman,11.90,4.81,20.76,18.38,35.87,6.57,0.05,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.38,1.28,0.00
Greco-Roman,26.09,8.87,21.51,14.43,23.33,4.46,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.43,0.27,0.61
Turkic,16.40,19.36,4.93,10.03,4.18,0.00,2.99,19.60 ,18.26,2.53,0.94,0.00,0.77
Turkic,7.18,16.09,0.72,12.44,0.00,0.00,5.24,14.38, 40.88,2.79,0.28,0.00,0.00
Turkic,9.14,9.82,0.00,20.60,3.24,3.16,7.31,18.95,2 4.40,1.38,0.44,0.00,1.55
Turkic,9.99,13.62,0.65,17.63,14.60,5.88,9.22,14.06 ,11.26,0.09,0.55,0.90,1.57
Turkic,14.61,21.44,2.01,17.50,0.00,1.10,5.31,8.40, 25.72,2.26,1.14,0.50,0.00

Target: Székely
Distance: 0.0764% / 0.07643307
47.4 Slavic
41.0 Greco-Roman
7.2 Germanic
4.4 Turkic

Target: Csángó
Distance: 0.3292% / 0.32917975
50.4 Slavic
40.2 Greco-Roman
5.8 Turkic
3.6 Germanic

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 0.1320% / 0.13195354
45.2 Slavic
42.0 Greco-Roman
9.2 Germanic
3.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia
Distance: 0.0251% / 0.02509347
51.0 Slavic
30.2 Greco-Roman
18.2 Germanic
0.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Northern
Distance: 0.3241% / 0.32406589
65.0 Slavic
23.0 Greco-Roman
11.4 Germanic
0.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Budapest
Distance: 0.0709% / 0.07087725
53.8 Slavic
29.2 Greco-Roman
16.2 Germanic
0.8 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Alföld
Distance: 0.1186% / 0.11861279
60.6 Slavic
31.0 Greco-Roman
7.2 Germanic
1.2 Turkic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.0594% / 0.05940071
54.4 Slavic
30.6 Greco-Roman
14.2 Germanic
0.8 Turkic


Target: Oszkar (Half Hungarian)
Distance: 152.3613% / 1.52361313
35.6 Slavic
24.8 Germanic
21.8 Greco-Roman
16.4 Germanic
1.0 Greco-Roman
0.4 Turkic

[Jana]

Closest populations to Hungarians, using Dunai's updated average and without regional samples:

https://i.imgur.com/csp38IO.png

[Dunai]

Closest populations to Hungarians, using Dunai's updated average and without regional samples:

https://i.imgur.com/csp38IO.png

Are Serbs more southern shifted than Bosniaks? I thought they are more mixed with Montenegrins and Albanians, who are surely more southern-shifted than Serbs. Otherwise the top 3 distance populations reflect well Hungarians.

[Jana]

Are Serbs more southern shifted than Bosniaks? I thought they are more mixed with Montenegrins and Albanians, who are surely more southern-shifted than Serbs. Otherwise the top 3 distance populations reflect well Hungarians.

Bosniaks fall between Croats and Serbs and thus are more northern shifted. This Bosniak average includes Sandžak Bosniaks (muslims from Montenegro and SW Serbia) afaik, so without them it would be even more northern shifted. It's Sandžak Bosniaks who are mixed with Montenegrins and Albanians, they are not that close to Bosniaks from BiH but now they identify as same nation.

[Jana]

double

[Leto]

Closest populations to Hungarians, using Dunai's updated average and without regional samples:

https://i.imgur.com/csp38IO.png
How come there is not a single Turkic nation in the list? I thought everyone on TA tacitly agreed Hungary is a Turkic nation...

[Jana]

My friend, whose results I posted here before, just told me she and her husband (who has ancestry from Békés county) just took 23andme tests! Very excited about their upcoming results :)
23andme is really fine now, they will get lot of information there. And of I wonder about her husband's gedmatch hehe!

[Leto]

A fairly recent Hungarian kit (uploaded about a month ago)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.53
2 North_Atlantic 29.4
3 West_Med 18.52
4 East_Med 8.94
5 West_Asian 5.12
6 East_Asian 1.2
7 Siberian 1.08
8 Northeast_African 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.3
2 Hungarian 7.38
3 Moldavian 7.44
4 East_German 8.9
5 South_Polish 9.39
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.42
7 Austrian 9.6
8 Ukrainian 9.87
9 Serbian 10.72
10 Polish 12.53
11 Romanian 14.51
12 Southwest_Russian 14.63
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.22
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.35
15 Estonian_Polish 15.6
16 Belorussian 16.27
17 Bulgarian 16.67
18 Southwest_Finnish 17.02
19 West_German 17.16
20 South_Dutch 18.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.8% South_Polish + 17.2% Sardinian @ 1.51
2 82.4% Ukrainian + 17.6% Sardinian @ 2.74
3 78.5% Polish + 21.5% Sardinian @ 2.84
4 74.6% Ukrainian + 25.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.94
5 73.6% Ukrainian + 26.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.12
6 71.8% Ukrainian + 28.2% North_Italian @ 3.16
7 74.5% Ukrainian + 25.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.31
8 73.6% Ukrainian + 26.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.38
9 73.7% Ukrainian + 26.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.45
10 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.45
11 73% Ukrainian + 27% Southwest_French @ 3.47
12 76% Ukrainian + 24% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.48
13 72.3% Ukrainian + 27.7% Portuguese @ 3.49
14 73.7% Belorussian + 26.3% Sardinian @ 3.5
15 72% Ukrainian + 28% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.53
16 72.5% Ukrainian + 27.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.54
17 73.2% Ukrainian + 26.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.58
18 54.2% Lithuanian + 45.8% North_Italian @ 3.63
19 83.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 16.3% Sardinian @ 3.66
20 74.9% Russian_Smolensk + 25.1% Sardinian @ 3.67

Eu K15 & Dod K12b

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.58
2 North_Sea 19.87
3 Atlantic 18.83
4 West_Med 14.11
5 Eastern_Euro 12.93
6 West_Asian 5.44
7 East_Med 4.09
8 Southeast_Asian 0.72
9 Siberian 0.33
10 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.2
2 Hungarian 7.13
3 Moldavian 7.67
4 Austrian 8.23
5 East_German 8.79
6 South_Polish 8.9
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.07
8 Ukrainian 9.52
9 Serbian 11.01
10 Polish 11.1
11 Russian_Smolensk 12.51
12 Romanian 13.14
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.92
14 Southwest_Russian 14.19
15 Estonian_Polish 14.4
16 Belorussian 14.53
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.02
18 Bulgarian 15.21
19 Finnish 16.06
20 Estonian 16.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83% South_Polish + 17% Sardinian @ 2.92
2 71.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.1% Southwest_French @ 3.46
3 72.8% Ukrainian + 27.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.66
4 73.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.72
5 71% Ukrainian + 29% Southwest_French @ 3.77
6 73.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.82
7 75.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.87
8 73.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.9
9 72.5% Ukrainian + 27.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.96
10 74.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 25.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.98
11 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.99
12 72.2% Ukrainian + 27.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.99
13 79.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.7% French_Basque @ 4.02
14 73.4% Ukrainian + 26.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.02
15 79.8% Polish + 20.2% Sardinian @ 4.07
16 83.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 16.5% Sardinian @ 4.15
17 71% Ukrainian + 29% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.2
18 74.9% South_Polish + 25.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.24
19 71.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.27
20 70.4% Ukrainian + 29.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.29


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 45.95
2 Atlantic_Med 29.94
3 Caucasus 18.1
4 East_Asian 1.9
5 Southwest_Asian 1.61
6 Gedrosia 1.47
7 Northwest_African 1.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 5.22
2 German (Dodecad) 9.99
3 Romanians (Behar) 14.68
4 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 15.87
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.32

[someonenotyou]

With my new model


Slavic,30.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00, 1.56,0.89,0.00,0.42,0.00
Slavic,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13, 0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0. 1,0,1.12,0
Slavic,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0 .13,1.42,0.62
Slavic,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86, 0.48,1.27,0
Slavic,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4.86,0,0,1.29,0.94,1. 44,0.09,0,1.85
Slavic,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0, 0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Germanic,53.01,27.98,7.21,5.65,0.79,1.05,2.78,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.99,0.55,0.00
Germanic,47.25,26.28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0.00,1.09,0.0 0,0.00,0.90,1.69,0.00,0.00
Germanic,51.91,27.94,8.54,6.68,0.00,1.86,0.46,0.00 ,0.00,1.60,0.70,0.30,0.00
Germanic,48.77,31.63,9.58,6.50,0.00,0.00,1.35,0.00 ,0.85,0.66,0.45,0.00,0.21
Germanic,47.64,28.46,10.25,7.39,1.26,0.36,1.80,0.0 0,0.00,0.17,2.66,0.00,0.00
Germanic,44.98,24.15,12.94,4.79,7.58,1.68,1.28,0.2 1,0.03,1.36,0.99,0.00,0.00
Germanic,45.82,23.76,11.98,5.35,9.95,0.37,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,1.40,0.65,0.71,0.00
Germanic,50.80,27.85,9.46,7.27,0.17,0.52,2.02,0.00 ,1.24,0.00,0.66,0.00,0.00
Germanic,50.62,30.54,10.69,2.85,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,2.29,0.38,1.12,0.00,1.50
Germanic,48.86,27.94,10.52,5.59,1.58,1.62,1.24,0.0 0,0.73,1.09,0.59,0.00,0.24
Germanic,51.25,28.48,10.25,3.67,0.90,0.62,4.07,0.0 0,0.40,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic,50.82,27.96,8.13,4.15,4.48,1.91,0.67,0.31 ,0.00,1.29,0.29,0.00,0.00
Germanic,51.40,26.75,12.42,4.27,1.30,1.75,0.00,0.8 5,0.83,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.00
Germanic,48.87,28.93,9.99,6.36,2.26,0.00,0.00,0.50 ,1.89,0.00,0.45,0.76,0.00
Germanic,49.96,27.68,9.25,8.59,0.00,1.17,0.00,0.00 ,1.12,0.35,0.83,0.30,0.75
Greco-Roman,27.23,12.70,19.97,9.12,24.57,4.66,0.00,0.87, 0.00,0.17,0.22,0.00,0.48
Greco-Roman,24.86,12.81,26.77,10.30,20.31,3.25,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.04,1.66,0.00
Greco-Roman,27.55,12.54,21.21,10.55,21.86,4.50,0.32,0.40 ,0.16,0.01,0.48,0.00,0.41
Greco-Roman,27.19,11.40,22.23,11.36,21.87,1.10,2.00,0.00 ,1.35,0.59,0.91,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,20.96,7.80,22.42,12.21,31.83,3.56,0.00,0.35, 0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00,0.63
Greco-Roman,31.64,10.34,24.24,8.69,21.60,1.59,0.35,0.00, 0.00,0.73,0.82,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,11.26,2.52,25.12,19.43,32.95,5.15,1.74,0.00, 0.00,0.00,1.28,0.41,0.13
Greco-Roman,13.96,3.06,21.79,20.09,31.88,8.58,0.00,0.30, 0.00,0.00,0.33,0.00,0.00
Greco-Roman,30.28,11.03,22.92,11.27,18.52,2.83,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,1.93,0.00,0.00,1.22
Greco-Roman,17.03,1.66,19.44,20.33,31.48,6.62,0.00,1.01, 0.00,0.82,0.00,0.96,0.66
Greco-Roman,19.34,7.54,23.11,14.85,27.41,5.41,0.00,0.71, 0.00,0.12,0.11,1.42,0.00
Greco-Roman,11.90,4.81,20.76,18.38,35.87,6.57,0.05,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.38,1.28,0.00
Greco-Roman,26.09,8.87,21.51,14.43,23.33,4.46,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.43,0.27,0.61
Turkic,16.40,19.36,4.93,10.03,4.18,0.00,2.99,19.60 ,18.26,2.53,0.94,0.00,0.77
Turkic,7.18,16.09,0.72,12.44,0.00,0.00,5.24,14.38, 40.88,2.79,0.28,0.00,0.00
Turkic,9.14,9.82,0.00,20.60,3.24,3.16,7.31,18.95,2 4.40,1.38,0.44,0.00,1.55
Turkic,9.99,13.62,0.65,17.63,14.60,5.88,9.22,14.06 ,11.26,0.09,0.55,0.90,1.57
Turkic,14.61,21.44,2.01,17.50,0.00,1.10,5.31,8.40, 25.72,2.26,1.14,0.50,0.00

Target: Székely
Distance: 0.0764% / 0.07643307
47.4 Slavic
41.0 Greco-Roman
7.2 Germanic
4.4 Turkic

Target: Csángó
Distance: 0.3292% / 0.32917975
50.4 Slavic
40.2 Greco-Roman
5.8 Turkic
3.6 Germanic

Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 0.1320% / 0.13195354
45.2 Slavic
42.0 Greco-Roman
9.2 Germanic
3.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Transdanubia
Distance: 0.0251% / 0.02509347
51.0 Slavic
30.2 Greco-Roman
18.2 Germanic
0.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Northern
Distance: 0.3241% / 0.32406589
65.0 Slavic
23.0 Greco-Roman
11.4 Germanic
0.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Budapest
Distance: 0.0709% / 0.07087725
53.8 Slavic
29.2 Greco-Roman
16.2 Germanic
0.8 Turkic

Target: Hungarian_Alföld
Distance: 0.1186% / 0.11861279
60.6 Slavic
31.0 Greco-Roman
7.2 Germanic
1.2 Turkic

Target:
Distance: 293.4340% / 2.93433977
47.0 Greco-Roman
30.4 Slavic
18.2 Germanic
4.4 Turkic

[Gergő Marosvári]

From Northern Hungary (Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén)

Target: Gergő
82.6 Slavic
15.7 Greco-Roman
1.7 Turkic

[Leto]

From Northern Hungary (Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén)

Target: Gergő
82.6 Slavic
15.7 Greco-Roman
1.7 Turkic
Cool. What about your components, can you share them as well?

[oszkar07]

How come there is not a single Turkic nation in the list? I thought everyone on TA tacitly agreed Hungary is a Turkic nation...

From memory only few people agreed to that.

Most people agree Hungary is a East Central European nation.

[Abriekman]

How come there is not a single Turkic nation in the list? I thought everyone on TA tacitly agreed Hungary is a Turkic nation...

If not Germans settling there, they would have high Turkic scores, like Szeklers

[Scandal]

If not Germans settling there, they would have high Turkic scores, like Szeklers

Szeklers probably have more German admixture than 'Alföld Hungarians' (Hungarians from East Hungary)

[oszkar07]

If not Germans settling there, they would have high Turkic scores, like Szeklers

Hungarians on average have more Slavic dna than Germanic.

Do Szekler's have much more Turkic compared to Romanians and Russians ?

[oszkar07]

double

[Abriekman]

Szeklers probably have more German admixture than 'Alföld Hungarians' (Hungarians from East Hungary)

They have hugh Eastern Eurasian on average if I am not wrong. I also meant Germanic admixture, users like Chris596 were more Turkic, while less Germanic

[Abriekman]

Hungarians on average have more Slavic dna than Germanic.

Do Szekler's have much more Turkic compared to Romanians and Russians ?

I think yes, on average Szeklers have more, than Romanians, I saw both Romanians and Szekely with 7-8% Eastern Eurasian and Russians in northern and eastern areas have DNA from assimilated Finno-Ugric people, but not from Turkic tribes, if you are about East Asian genetic, then Northern and Eastern Russians have much more ( about 10-12% )

[Ion Basescul]

I think yes, on average Szeklers have more, than Romanians, I saw both Romanians and Szekely with 7-8% Eastern Eurasian and Russians in northern and eastern areas have DNA from assimilated Finno-Ugric people, but not from Turkic tribes, if you are about East Asian genetic, then Northern and Eastern Russians have much more ( about 10-12% )

I would also like to see those Romanians with 7-8% East Eurasian. Can you share the results?

[Abriekman]

I would also like to see those Romanians with 7-8% East Eurasian. Can you share the results?

7%+ rare cases I have seen in Szekely only on forums. You have posted Romanian samples on Anthrogenica and 3 of them were 7% Eastern Eurasian

[Ion Basescul]

7%+ rare cases I have seen in Szekely only on forums. You have posted Romanian samples on Anthrogenica and 3 of them were 7% Eastern Eurasian

Yes, Szekelys and Csangos can score around 7%. I was referring to Romanians, since such cases are not known to me. You must be confusing something and are probably referring to this post (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22686-New-Roman-Earth-towards-Medieval-calculator(G25-Scaled)&p=737489&viewfull=1#post737489), where I have posted Csangos (ethnic Hungarians from Moldavia region in Romania). Nowadays, most of them identify as Romanian Catholics, but at their origin they are Hungarian and had a partially different ethnogenesis.

[oszkar07]

I think yes, on average Szeklers have more, than Romanians, I saw both Romanians and Szekely with 7-8% Eastern Eurasian and Russians in northern and eastern areas have DNA from assimilated Finno-Ugric people, but not from Turkic tribes, if you are about East Asian genetic, then Northern and Eastern Russians have much more ( about 10-12% )

Possibly but I have yet to see extensive studies and comparisons between both.
There was a thread in this forum where Hungarians were posting highest Turkic scores from one of the calculators as I recall the highest score in the end was from a Romanian member, maybe that is what prompted my earlier question.

[Jana]

If not Germans settling there, they would have high Turkic scores, like Szeklers

Szekelys have significant German admixture that sets that apart from Romanians and their German input is on average higher than that in Hungarians from east and northeastern Hungary.
They also have significant Germanic ydna.

What makes them different from Hungarians proper apart from higher mongoloid is the fact they have significantly less Slavic and more Paleo Balkan admixture than them.

[Benyzero]

del

[VarangianRUs]

Target: doma
Distance: 1.4026% / 1.40262160
62.6 Slavic
19.0 Germanic
15.1 Greco-Roman
3.3 Turkic


From Budapest
I have austrian and swab ancestry

[Jana]

Target: doma
Distance: 1.4026% / 1.40262160
62.6 Slavic
19.0 Germanic
15.1 Greco-Roman
3.3 Turkic


From Budapest
I have austrian and swab ancestry

could you post result you get on gedmatch for Eurogenes K13 please?

[VarangianRUs]

Yeap but why?
in admix 4 or 1 population results?

[Leto]

Yeap but why?
in admix 4 or 1 population results?
Just post your unsorted components please. I would also personally like to see your and @Gergő Marosvári's Dodecad K12b components (no oracle needed).

[Jana]

Yeap but why?
in admix 4 or 1 population results?

Just unsorted admixture components (north atlantic, baltic etc), so you can be added to the PCA :)

[VarangianRUs]

Population
North_Atlantic 30.55 Pct
Baltic 36.01 Pct
West_Med 12.9 Pct
West_Asian 7.03 Pct
East_Med 6.92 Pct
Red_Sea 1.46 Pct
South_Asian 2.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.67 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.49 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Okey :)

[VarangianRUs]

Population
Gedrosia 7.35 Pct
Siberian 1.34 Pct
Northwest_African 0.36 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.58 Pct
North_European 47.12 Pct
South_Asian 1.82 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.11 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 10.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Dodecad k12b

[Jana]

Population
North_Atlantic 30.55 Pct
Baltic 36.01 Pct
West_Med 12.9 Pct
West_Asian 7.03 Pct
East_Med 6.92 Pct
Red_Sea 1.46 Pct
South_Asian 2.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.67 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.49 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Okey :)

Thanks! Here is your updated K13. I'll add you to Hungarian members PCA too

Distance to: VarangianRus

2.99391049 Slovak
4.06563648 Hungarian_Northern
4.06797247 Czech
4.70409396 Slovenian
4.81001039 Croat_North
5.27316793 Ukrainian_Galicia
5.31089446 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.59808896 Hungarian
5.78160012 Hungarian_Alföld
5.81474849 Ukrainian_Carpathian
6.78891007 South_Polish
7.13239090 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.19881240 Sorb_Lusatia
7.29408665 Croat
7.48696200 German_East
7.49665259 Croat_East
8.18124685 Moldova_Ukrainian
8.81681915 Croat_West
9.23175498 Csángó-Ceangău
9.68735258 Austrian
9.75039486 Moldova_North
9.84614645 Hungarian_Transylvania
9.91048939 Croat_South
10.08041666 Polish_Masuria
10.46893977 Bosniak

Target: VarangianRus
Distance: 1.2909% / 1.29094397 | ADC: 0.25x RC

70.4 Slovak
14.9 German_East
6.8 Czech
5.2 Tatar
1.7 Dharkar
1.0 Gujarati

[Scandal]

Population
North_Atlantic 30.55 Pct
Baltic 36.01 Pct
West_Med 12.9 Pct
West_Asian 7.03 Pct
East_Med 6.92 Pct
Red_Sea 1.46 Pct
South_Asian 2.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.67 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.49 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Okey :)
Do you really have north_swedish + Russian ancestry? In Hungary it's not common to have those ancestries.

[Leto]

Population
Gedrosia 7.35 Pct
Siberian 1.34 Pct
Northwest_African 0.36 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.58 Pct
North_European 47.12 Pct
South_Asian 1.82 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.11 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 10.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Dodecad k12b
Can you possibly be distantly Romani? I don't notice much Russian in you. Maybe distant and diluted.

[Jana]

Here is how you compare to TA members

Distance to: VarangianRus(Hungarian)

3.39760210 Calxpal_grandma(SW_Ukrainian)
3.41172977 Cordedwhelp_mom(American)
4.03068232 Ph2ter(croat)
4.66268163 ph2ter_son(croat)
4.86787428 ph2ter_father(croat)
4.98270007 Ph2ter_wife(croat)
5.04317360 nuti(slovak)
5.26260392 Natalie(Czech)
5.31467779 Madonna_father(rusyn)
5.51355602 Karol_father(slovak)
5.93885511 Viers(hungarian)
6.18269359 RandomGuy20(Australian)
6.33259820 Blanka_husband(hungarian)
6.34580176 Manda(croat)
6.68494577 Kostej(slovak)
6.85647140 Noricum(austrian)
6.92635546 Stearsolina(Croat)
6.95222986 GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
7.25002069 Karol_friend(Czech)
7.29652657 Stears(Hungarian)
7.34583555 ksha(unknown)
7.36175251 Peterski_Father(Polish)
7.43979166 Hrvoje(croat+slovene)
7.58453690 Videx(hungarian)
7.60645121 Max_soldo(croat)

[VarangianRUs]

Thank you !

[VarangianRUs]

Yes my Paternal haplo is came from Jamtland and in dna test i get always scandinavian like ancestry i get 3% norwegian and in Myheritage genetic groups i get norway (innhered) . My Russian ancestry is mixed with Ukranian iam 14,6% Ukranian and Russian .

[VarangianRUs]

In my 3 Chromosome i have 12,3% balkan_roma which mean iam 0,4 or 0,5 percent Roma

[Leto]

Yes my Paternal haplo is came from Jamtland and in dna test i get always scandinavian like ancestry i get 3% norwegian and in Myheritage genetic groups i get norway (innhered) . My Russian ancestry is mixed with Ukranian iam 14,6% Ukranian and Russian .


In my 3 Chromosome i have 12,3% balkan_roma which mean iam 0,4 or 0,5 percent Roma
I think your problem is that you interpret the commercial test results literally. Just because you get Scandinavian or Slavic doesn't mean you have actual "recent" ancestry from Sweden or Russia. I think you are just a normal full Hungarian. Scandinavians and East Slavs are very uncommon in Hungary, historically close to non-existent.
0.5% Roma would not be noticeable autosomally. You got like 2% South Asian which may or may not translate to 1/8 or 1/16 Tzigane.

[VarangianRUs]

In K36 i get 0 South asian only South_Central_Asian 4.87 Pct

[VarangianRUs]

In my familytree my family not full Hungarian .

[Jana]

here is updated PCA with new Magyar users added :)

https://i.imgur.com/K58c2m2.png

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?339208-Hungarian-Eurogenes-K13-PCA

[Gergő Marosvári]

I AM THAT RUSYN OMFG :eek: :eek: :eek:

What is funny, that i know distant Rusyn ancestry in my family, but i would never thought that i gonna be that Rusyn!!!
Maybe the reason is that i am northern Hungarian and i live quite close to Eastern Slovakia and Western Ukraine?

[VarangianRUs]

Population
North_Atlantic 31.21 Pct
Baltic 35.45 Pct
West_Med 12.53 Pct
West_Asian 6.91 Pct
East_Med 6.79 Pct
Red_Sea 1.82 Pct
South_Asian 2.12 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.02 Pct
Amerindian 0.33 Pct
Oceanian 0.82 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


This one is my Friend Result he is also Hungarian name David

[Scandal]

I AM THAT RUSYN OMFG :eek: :eek: :eek:

What is funny, that i know distant Rusyn ancestry in my family, but i would never thought that i gonna be that Rusyn!!!
Maybe the reason is that i am northern Hungarian and i live quite close to Eastern Slovakia and Western Ukraine?

Yes. Northeastern Hungarians are on avarage more genetically Slavic (Rusyn/Slovak) than other regions. That's just k13 though, it's one of the many calculators and tools out there. Different calculators can give slightly different results. For example I am pure Eastern Euro on k13, on k15 and k36 I get some German / NW Euro.

[Gergő Marosvári]

Stearsolina, could you compere my percentages to the other Hungarian users? Like you did for VarangianRus?
And also, i'd love to show you my other results from MyHeritage.
Well, it's a bit different compered to the 23andMe... Could you add it to the PCA as Gergő Marosvári (MyHeritage) if it's possible?

Components %
North_Atlantic 28,03
Baltic 36,66
West_Med 13,83
West_Asian 6,10
East_Med 10,72
Red_Sea 0,00
South_Asian 3,18
East_Asian 0,35
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,00
Oceanian 0,02
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 1,10

[Leto]

I AM THAT RUSYN OMFG :eek: :eek: :eek:

What is funny, that i know distant Rusyn ancestry in my family, but i would never thought that i gonna be that Rusyn!!!
Maybe the reason is that i am northern Hungarian and i live quite close to Eastern Slovakia and Western Ukraine?
Do you mind showing me your Dodecad components? I'd like to compare yours to Universe's who got 50 North_European.

[Gergő Marosvári]

Do you mind showing me your Dodecad components? I'd like to compare yours to Universe's who got 50 North_European.


Components %
Gedrosia 3,00
Siberian 0,00
Northwest_African 2,70
Southeast_Asian 0,00
Atlantic_Med 27,89
North_European 46,67
South_Asian 2,12
East_African 0,00
Southwest_Asian 0,29
East_Asian 0,00
Caucasus 17,27
Sub_Saharan 0,06

Here they are.

[Gergő Marosvári]

Do you mind showing me your Dodecad components? I'd like to compare yours to Universe's who got 50 North_European.

And these are my World 9 results:

Components %
Amerindian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
African 0,48
Atlantic_Baltic 68,55
Australasian 0,00
Siberian 0,93
Caucasus_Gedrosia 14,34
Southern 13,77
South_Asian 1,92

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Hungarians @ 1,905
2 100% Mixed_Germanic_D @ 5,951
3 100% French @ 6,234
4 100% Dutch_D @ 6,530
5 100% German_D @ 7,357
6 100% French_D @ 7,750
7 100% CEU30 @ 7,980
8 100% Ukranians_Y @ 8,368
9 100% Cornwall_1KG @ 8,483
10 100% Kent_1KG @ 8,555

[Leto]

Thanks. World 9 is surprisingly accurate for you whereas K12b is less so. But nobody has attempted to update Hungarian for K12b so far.

On K12b you are literally zero Mongoloid (Siberian, East Asian, Southeast Asian). No Conqueror ancestry for you...

[Jana]

Stearsolina, could you compere my percentages to the other Hungarian users? Like you did for VarangianRus?
And also, i'd love to show you my other results from MyHeritage.
Well, it's a bit different compered to the 23andMe... Could you add it to the PCA as Gergő Marosvári (MyHeritage) if it's possible?

Components %
North_Atlantic 28,03
Baltic 36,66
West_Med 13,83
West_Asian 6,10
East_Med 10,72
Red_Sea 0,00
South_Asian 3,18
East_Asian 0,35
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,00
Oceanian 0,02
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 1,10

compared to all TA users in database

Distance to: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)

4.44870768 Max_soldo(croat)
4.89381242 Alenka(South-Slav)
6.00872699 Incelslayer(romanian)
6.02183527 Madonna_father(rusyn)
6.14617767 Westcoast(croat)
6.29471207 Vlatko_vukovic(bosniak)
6.48310111 Kostej(slovak)
6.54676256 Manda(croat)
6.83155912 Calxpal_grandma(SW_Ukrainian)
6.95222986 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
7.08863174 Stearsolina(Croat)
7.11726071 Daos777(Khokhol-Moldovan-Polish)
7.15285258 Universe(hungarian)
7.16827036 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
7.27025447 un4given(Croat)
7.56887046 Karol_father(slovak)
7.59667691 Abriekman(slav+balkan+jewish)
8.32470420 ph2ter_father(croat)
8.33754760 Viers(hungarian)
8.49187259 Feiichy_Father(croat)
8.51539782 Dušan(serb)
8.57960955 nuti(slovak)
8.73369910 Tschaikisten(serb)
8.80121014 Ford(serb)
8.80617965 Cordedwhelp_mom


Target: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
Distance: 0.6207% / 0.62074325

25.0 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
23.3 Polak(Polish+Ukrainian
18.6 All(silesian)
10.5 Dimadoe(russian)
8.9 dududud_mother(french/sardinian)
4.7 CTPAXOTA(Serb)
3.8 Thambi(Indian_south)
2.8 Lukasz(polish)
2.3 Cumansky(polish/ukrainian)
0.1 Visar(polish)

Your myheritage data is really similar, it won't make much difference IMO.
Btw, is it possible you have some Gypsy in family tree? Your south Asian is very high. Hungarians do get elevated south Asian from steppic admixture, but yours is above 3% which is above what I'd call ancient admixture, so I'm curious what's your take on that?

[Gergő Marosvári]

How do you know that i didn't have any Conqueror ancestry, just because that a calculator doesn't contain any Mongoloid? :)

[Dunai]

Yes. Northeastern Hungarians are on avarage more genetically Slavic (Rusyn/Slovak) than other regions. That's just k13 though, it's one of the many calculators and tools out there. Different calculators can give slightly different results. For example I am pure Eastern Euro on k13, on k15 and k36 I get some German / NW Euro.

Only K13 has proper Hungarian averages, meaning based on dozens of samples in regional cases, and hundreds of samples on national case. Also I'm aware other nationalities also have more accurate averages on K13, not that many people cared to update the K15 and K36 averages yet. This is why I mostly focus on K13 Updated results, however as time goes by the other calculators can also be more improved, and hence become more reliable.

[Gergő Marosvári]

compared to all TA users in database

Distance to: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)

4.44870768 Max_soldo(croat)
4.89381242 Alenka(South-Slav)
6.00872699 Incelslayer(romanian)
6.02183527 Madonna_father(rusyn)
6.14617767 Westcoast(croat)
6.29471207 Vlatko_vukovic(bosniak)
6.48310111 Kostej(slovak)
6.54676256 Manda(croat)
6.83155912 Calxpal_grandma(SW_Ukrainian)
6.95222986 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
7.08863174 Stearsolina(Croat)
7.11726071 Daos777(Khokhol-Moldovan-Polish)
7.15285258 Universe(hungarian)
7.16827036 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
7.27025447 un4given(Croat)
7.56887046 Karol_father(slovak)
7.59667691 Abriekman(slav+balkan+jewish)
8.32470420 ph2ter_father(croat)
8.33754760 Viers(hungarian)
8.49187259 Feiichy_Father(croat)
8.51539782 Dušan(serb)
8.57960955 nuti(slovak)
8.73369910 Tschaikisten(serb)
8.80121014 Ford(serb)
8.80617965 Cordedwhelp_mom


Target: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
Distance: 0.6207% / 0.62074325

25.0 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
23.3 Polak(Polish+Ukrainian
18.6 All(silesian)
10.5 Dimadoe(russian)
8.9 dududud_mother(french/sardinian)
4.7 CTPAXOTA(Serb)
3.8 Thambi(Indian_south)
2.8 Lukasz(polish)
2.3 Cumansky(polish/ukrainian)
0.1 Visar(polish)

Your myheritage data is really similar, it won't make much difference IMO.
Btw, is it possible you have some Gypsy in family tree? Your south Asian is very high. Hungarians do get elevated south Asian from steppic admixture, but yours is above 3% which is above what I'd call ancient admixture, so I'm curious what's your take on that?

I didn't have any Gypsy in my family. It's mystical for me too. But interestingly when it comes to Eurogenes K36, i just have 0,4% South Asian. And out of the three autosomal tests (23andMe, MyHeritage and Family Tree DNA) only the 23andMe gave me Northern Indian and Pakistani but only 0,2% and as a trace.

[Jana]

K15 has fundamental flaw which can't be improved with better sampling. North Sea and North Atlantic components are strongly overlapping and unstable.
Davidski tried to create Celtic vs Germanic component but failed because they're overly similar. Same applies to Baltic vs East Euro to a lesser extent (not so unstable as first two).

It's kinds of same flaw that Myheritage has, Balkan and East Euro/Baltic are too similar and can overlap/be assigned to people randomly.

K13 is at it's base better calculator, has clear separation of components compared to K15.

[Leto]

How do you know that i didn't have any Conqueror ancestry, just because that a calculator doesn't contain any Mongoloid? :)
Well, I personally use Dodecad K12b more than anything else. It's clear your Mongoloid is max. 1 percent.

[Jana]

I didn't have any Gypsy in my family. It's mystical for me too. But interestingly when it comes to Eurogenes K36, i just have 0,4% South Asian. And out of the three autosomal tests (23andMe, MyHeritage and Family Tree DNA) only the 23andMe gave me Northern Indian and Pakistani but only 0,2% and as a trace.

Well in that case it doesn't look like Gypsy admixture despite score is high. Do you score any west Asian on 23andme?

[Dunai]

Yes my Paternal haplo is came from Jamtland and in dna test i get always scandinavian like ancestry i get 3% norwegian and in Myheritage genetic groups i get norway (innhered) . My Russian ancestry is mixed with Ukranian iam 14,6% Ukranian and Russian .

Can I ask you what is your more recent ancestry, based on the ethnic origin of your grandparents or even great grandparents? How many of them are full Hungarian and how many of them are mixed with other ethnicities?

[Gergő Marosvári]

Well in that case it doesn't look like Gypsy admixture despite score is high. Do you score any west Asian on 23andme?

No i didn't have any!!!

My 23andMe results: 85,8% Eastern European, 12,0% Greek and Balkan, 1,9% Broadly European, 0,2% Trace Northern Indian, 0,1% Unassigned

But! Interestingly one of my MyHeritage results has a region which shows close relationship with Chechens! Although i have zero percent West Asia here too.

[Jana]

No i didn't have any!!!

My 23andMe results: 85,8% Eastern European, 12,0% Greek and Balkan, 1,9% Broadly European, 0,2% Trace Northern Indian, 0,1% Unassigned

But! Interestingly one of my MyHeritage results has a region which shows close relationship with Chechens! Although i have zero percent West Asia here too.

Well in that case I don't think your south Asian comes from Gypsies. If you were admixed with them, you should have scored Middle Eastern too (Iranian/Mesopotamian or Anatolian). Your west Asian/East Med on gedmatch aren't elevated either. It might be it's from Hungarian steppic input and you happen to have maximum value.

[Gergő Marosvári]

Well in that case I don't think your south Asian comes from Gypsies. If you were admixed with them, you should have scored Middle Eastern too (Iranian/Mesopotamian or Anatolian). Your west Asian/East Med on gedmatch aren't elevated either. It might be it's from Hungarian steppic input and you happen to have maximum value.

These are my Eurogenes K36 results.

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 2.34 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 19.46 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.32 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 14.46 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 15.32 Pct
Fennoscandian 7.56 Pct
French 0.46 Pct
Iberian 12.99 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.66 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.55 Pct
North_African 1.63 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 4.69 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.9 Pct
West_Med 1.14 Pct

[VarangianRUs]

My paternal Grandpa is 80% German Austrian and my Grandma is North hungarian and Slovak my Maternal Grandpa is Jassic and Ukranian and my Grandma is Slovak and Rusyns and maybe Finno ugric people in russia

[Benyzero]

These are my Eurogenes K36 results.

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 2.34 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 19.46 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.32 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 14.46 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 15.32 Pct
Fennoscandian 7.56 Pct
French 0.46 Pct
Iberian 12.99 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.66 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.55 Pct
North_African 1.63 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 4.69 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.9 Pct
West_Med 1.14 Pct

we have the same paternal haplogroup. Nagyfejű barátom :D

[Leto]

These are my Eurogenes K36 results.

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 2.34 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 19.46 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.32 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 14.46 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 15.32 Pct
Fennoscandian 7.56 Pct
French 0.46 Pct
Iberian 12.99 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 6.66 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.55 Pct
North_African 1.63 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 4.69 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.9 Pct
West_Med 1.14 Pct
You have no Tzigane in you, full Tziganes score 20-25% South Asian on K36, I just checked several kits.

[Gergő Marosvári]

we have the same paternal haplogroup. Nagyfejű barátom :D


És ősanyud is "Urszula". :)

[Dunai]

My paternal Grandpa is 80% German Austrian and my Grandma is North hungarian and Slovak my Maternal Grandpa is Jassic and Ukranian and my Grandma is Slovak and Rusyns and maybe Finno ugric people in russia

So basically you are barely ethnic Hungarian (genetic meaning), but mostly Slavic (with some German and Hungarian admixture), which still doesn't mean culturally you aren't Hungarian, as you said you're from Budapest.

[VarangianRUs]

Yes in Budapest the people are mixed with germans and slavic people and sometimes jews .

[Dunai]

Yes in Budapest the people are mixed with germans and slavic people and sometimes jews .

Most aren't though, and I realized this while I was collecting samples from Budapest and Pest county, many dozens, and most of the time people from there had mostly Hungarian great grandparents, maybe with a Jewish, German, Slovak or even Roma great grandparent here and there. Even I was surprised, because population of Budapest had majority German population just around 1880 (55%), but since then the population expanded exponentially, with large waves of Hungarians from other parts of Hungary moving there.

[Scandal]

Most aren't though,

They are. It depends on how you define 'mixed'. Most - if not all - are obviously mixed with other ethnicities if you go back far enough in their family tree.

[Dunai]

They are. It depends on how you define 'mixed'. Most - if not all - are obviously mixed with other ethnicities if you go back far enough in their family tree.

I actually base my statement on dozens of email exchanges with people from that area, and there were rather few who I had to exclude from the regional averages I was working on for telling me that they were less than 80-85% of ethnic Hungarian origin, including their great grandparents, maybe only among 15-20% of the cases in which I encountered more significant recent none-Hungarian ethnic background in the subjects I analyzed and talked to.

[vbnetkhio]

_North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed _SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceania nNortheast_AfrSub_Saharan
Vojv hungarian26.8528.7917.114.6217.372.051.280.240.720 .980.000.000.00
Vojv hungarian27.9534.3112.947.2414.670.390.001.000.560 .000.240.690.00
Vojv hungarian27.3835.9713.846.3014.500.000.000.001.060 .000.730.220.00
Vojv hungarian35.0335.287.876.4210.502.180.510.001.880. 310.000.000.00
Vojv hungarian28.6133.9816.689.199.000.180.131.430.000. 100.660.000.00
Vojv hungarian24.4731.5418.625.6211.851.030.003.442.021 .260.000.140.00


the first 4 results is a family with Serbian names and Hungarian surnames, so probably Hungarians from Vojvodina.
the 5th one is 3/4 Vojvodina Hungarian and 1/4 from Hungary, and the last one is a Vojvodina Hungarian posted earlier by Kaspias.

[Jana]

Reposting results of my Hungarian friends because not everyone can see it in members only 23andme section.

Eurogenes K13

Blanka,32.88,34.8,13.86,3.19,11.43,2.1,0,0,0.41,0. 92,0,0,0.41
Blanka_husband,33.89,33.38,15.5,6.6,8.79,0.12,0,0, 0.96,0,0,0.19,0.5

Dodecad K12b

Blanka,2.06,0.73,0.08,0,28.59,49.05,0,0,4.42,0,15. 03,0
Blanka_husband,4.69,1.44,0,0,32.08,45.39,0,0,1.31, 0,14.73,0.36

[vbnetkhio]

from Fejér County

North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed_ SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceanian Northeast_AfricanSub-Saharan
31.0330.2213.866.7812.541.6801.120.831.230.5300.17
29.0235.3113.876.7110.581.311.190.930.930.14000
30.4929.0414.310.98.291.392.5801.910.510.5900

[Dunai]

_North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed _SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceania nNortheast_AfrSub_Saharan
Vojv hungarian26.8528.7917.114.6217.372.051.280.240.720 .980.000.000.00
Vojv hungarian27.9534.3112.947.2414.670.390.001.000.560 .000.240.690.00
Vojv hungarian27.3835.9713.846.3014.500.000.000.001.060 .000.730.220.00
Vojv hungarian35.0335.287.876.4210.502.180.510.001.880. 310.000.000.00
Vojv hungarian28.6133.9816.689.199.000.180.131.430.000. 100.660.000.00
Vojv hungarian24.4731.5418.625.6211.851.030.003.442.021 .260.000.140.00


the first 4 results is a family with Serbian names and Hungarian surnames, so probably Hungarians from Vojvodina.
the 5th one is 3/4 Vojvodina Hungarian and 1/4 from Hungary, and the last one is a Vojvodina Hungarian posted earlier by Kaspias.

Vojvodina Hungarians are part of Greater Alföld area, their results seem to fit pretty well with Croatian, Slovenian and Alföld Hungarian averages. Are their surnames written in Serbian or Hungarian calligraphy and pronunciation? Also do their given names have both Hungarian and Serbian versions, or more Serbian-like?

[vbnetkhio]

Vojvodina Hungarians are part of Greater Alföld area, their results seem to fit pretty well with Croatian, Slovenian and Alföld Hungarian averages. Are their surnames written in Serbian or Hungarian calligraphy and pronunciation? Also do their given names have both Hungarian and Serbian versions, or more Serbian-like?

the surnames are Hungarian with Hungarian calligraphy, names Serbian with Serbian calligraphy. i'll send them to you.

[Leto]

Hungarian Tzigane

North_Atlantic 8.26 Pct
Baltic 12.52 Pct
West_Med 13.55 Pct
West_Asian 12.44 Pct
East_Med 21.74 Pct
Red_Sea 2.2 Pct
South_Asian 25.41 Pct
East_Asian 0.34 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Amerindian 0.86 Pct
Oceanian 2 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: G
6.13486756 Gypsy_Wallachia
6.87451816 Balkan_Gypsy
26.79568809 Turk_Trakya
27.25638457 Parsi_India
27.58799739 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
27.65123686 Turk_Crete
28.26608922 Turk_Makedonya
28.27409415 Greek_Central
28.27847238 Turk_North_West
28.28649324 Greek_Peloponnese

Target: G
Distance: 2.4935% / 2.49352617
38.3 Greek_Northern-Thrace
32.0 Chamar
22.6 Lebanese_Christian
3.8 Latvian
2.6 Sardinia
0.6 Papuan
0.1 Karitiana


Gedrosia 10.3 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 15.06 Pct
North_European 17.58 Pct
South_Asian 22.06 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.78 Pct
East_Asian 1.11 Pct
Caucasus 24.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: G
6.31114887 Balkan_Gypsy
24.27952841 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
24.30338248 Turk_Trakya
24.89084169 Turk_Northwest
25.34468583 Turk_Deliorman
25.86494926 Turk_Southwest
25.91915315 Greek_Lemnos
26.03860787 Turk_Makedonya
26.11991769 Greek_Peloponnese
26.14192418 Turk_West_BlackSea

Target: G
Distance: 1.8904% / 1.89036498 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.0 Balkan_Gypsy
27.6 Pomak_Greece
10.6 Pulliyar
3.8 Algerian

Target: G
Distance: 3.1428% / 3.14284057 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.6 Balkan_Gypsy
23.1 Romanian
8.3 Pulliyar

[Leto]

From Györ, Northwestern Hungary
photo (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3586598901379669&set=a.145983848774542)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 34.84
2 Baltic 27.75
3 West_Med 15.32
4 East_Med 12.58
5 West_Asian 6.28
6 Amerindian 1.69
7 East_Asian 0.94
8 South_Asian 0.5
9 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 5.39
2 Hungarian 5.54
3 East_German 7.28
4 Serbian 8.32
5 West_German 9.5
6 Croatian 10.59
7 South_Dutch 11.03
8 Moldavian 11.27
9 Romanian 11.85
10 French 12.54
11 North_German 13.8
12 Bulgarian 14.68
13 South_Polish 14.91
14 Southeast_English 15.76
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.92
16 Danish 16.05
17 North_Dutch 16.35
18 Swedish 16.61
19 Ukrainian 16.75
20 North_Swedish 17.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% Hungarian + 20% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.37
2 78.3% Hungarian + 21.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.48
3 80.4% Hungarian + 19.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.58
4 82.9% Hungarian + 17.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.7
5 82% Hungarian + 18% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.76
6 79.9% Hungarian + 20.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.76
7 81.6% Hungarian + 18.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.78
8 79% Hungarian + 21% Portuguese @ 2.81
9 80.8% Hungarian + 19.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.91
10 81.4% Hungarian + 18.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.93
11 84.7% East_German + 15.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.98
12 72.4% Hungarian + 27.6% French @ 3.03
13 81.5% Hungarian + 18.5% Southwest_French @ 3.09
14 79.8% Hungarian + 20.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.09
15 82.3% East_German + 17.7% Ashkenazi @ 3.12
16 80.1% Hungarian + 19.9% North_Italian @ 3.2
17 87.6% Austrian + 12.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.2
18 66.8% Serbian + 33.2% Southeast_English @ 3.23
19 80.5% East_German + 19.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.26
20 89.6% Austrian + 10.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25
2 North_Sea 20.89
3 Baltic 17.52
4 West_Med 10.28
5 East_Med 8.83
6 Eastern_Euro 8.5
7 West_Asian 6.79
8 Amerindian 1.27
9 Southeast_Asian 0.65
10 South_Asian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 5.22
2 Hungarian 8.63
3 East_German 8.93
4 Serbian 9.18
5 Croatian 10.31
6 South_Dutch 11.05
7 Romanian 11.3
8 French 12.19
9 Moldavian 12.36
10 North_German 13.19
11 West_German 13.46
12 Bulgarian 13.52
13 Spanish_Cataluna 14.93
14 South_Polish 14.96
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.74
16 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.78
17 Southwest_English 15.93
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.07
19 Southeast_English 16.07
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.4% Austrian + 18.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.89
2 80.6% Austrian + 19.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.9
3 83.1% Austrian + 16.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.93
4 82.8% Austrian + 17.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.94
5 84.3% Austrian + 15.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4
6 85.4% Austrian + 14.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.05
7 82.7% Austrian + 17.3% North_Italian @ 4.06
8 84.8% Austrian + 15.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.08
9 83.3% Austrian + 16.7% Portuguese @ 4.17
10 84.1% Austrian + 15.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.17
11 85.4% Austrian + 14.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.23
12 84.8% Austrian + 15.2% Southwest_French @ 4.24
13 89.9% Austrian + 10.1% French_Basque @ 4.32
14 86.6% Austrian + 13.4% Tuscan @ 4.33
15 84.2% Austrian + 15.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.33
16 80.1% Austrian + 19.9% French @ 4.38
17 90.2% Austrian + 9.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.61
18 90.7% Austrian + 9.3% West_Sicilian @ 4.62
19 92.1% Austrian + 7.9% South_Italian @ 4.64
20 94.4% Austrian + 5.6% Sardinian @ 4.64


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 42.32
2 Atlantic_Med 31.77
3 Caucasus 17
4 Gedrosia 4.89
5 Southwest_Asian 2.24
6 Southeast_Asian 0.98
7 South_Asian 0.67
8 Northwest_African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 7.37
2 German (Dodecad) 8.81
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 12.77
4 Romanians (Behar) 14.04
5 Dutch (Dodecad) 14.05
6 French (Dodecad) 15.07
7 French (HGDP) 15.33
8 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.01
9 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 16.06
10 Kent (1000Genomes) 16.22
11 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 16.31
12 English (Dodecad) 16.51
13 British_Isles (Dodecad) 17.47
14 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 18.55
15 British (Dodecad) 18.81
16 Argyll (1000Genomes) 18.98
17 Orkney (1000Genomes) 19.34
18 Irish (Dodecad) 19.5
19 Orcadian (HGDP) 19.55
20 Swedish (Dodecad) 19.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.7% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 2.11
2 77.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.1% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 2.14
3 81% Hungarians (Behar) + 19% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 2.15
4 76.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 23.7% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 2.2
5 74.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.9% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.31
6 65% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 35% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.4
7 65.1% German (Dodecad) + 34.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.4
8 77% German (Dodecad) + 23% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.43
9 53.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 46.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.46
10 50% Romanians (Behar) + 50% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.49
11 79.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 20.3% Spaniards (Behar) @ 2.53
12 81.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 18.9% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 2.61
13 52.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 47.2% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.61
14 55.6% Romanians (Behar) + 44.4% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.64
15 78.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 21.3% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.67
16 80.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 19.5% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 2.68
17 63% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 37% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.69
18 62.2% German (Dodecad) + 37.8% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.71
19 78% Hungarians (Behar) + 22% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 2.71
20 79.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 20.2% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 2.76

[Gergő Marosvári]

Here is the results of my grandmother.
If someone can add her to the "Hungarian database and PCA" I would be very thankful for that.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.93
2 North_Atlantic 34.69
3 West_Med 11.64
4 East_Med 9.53
5 West_Asian 4.90
6 South_Asian 2.02
7 Red_Sea 1.21
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Oceanian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.65
2 East_German 5.1
3 Austrian 6.23
4 Croatian 7.67
5 South_Polish 8.14
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.93
7 Ukrainian 10.56
8 Moldavian 10.6
9 Polish 11.34
10 Serbian 12.34
11 North_Swedish 12.37
12 Southwest_Finnish 12.98
13 North_German 13.71
14 West_German 13.73
15 Southwest_Russian 14.3
16 Russian_Smolensk 14.48
17 Swedish 14.54
18 South_Dutch 14.78
19 Belorussian 14.8
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Belorussian + 44.5% French @ 2.62
2 72.4% Austrian + 27.6% Belorussian @ 2.85
3 72.6% Austrian + 27.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.95
4 55.4% Estonian_Polish + 44.6% French @ 2.95
5 56.4% Southwest_Russian + 43.6% French @ 3.03
6 70.5% South_Polish + 29.5% French @ 3.04
7 78.2% Hungarian + 21.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.05
8 52.1% West_German + 47.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.07
9 56.1% Russian_Smolensk + 43.9% French @ 3.15
10 51.1% West_German + 48.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.15
11 72.2% Austrian + 27.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.16
12 64.1% South_Polish + 35.9% West_German @ 3.2
13 52% West_German + 48% Belorussian @ 3.24
14 58.4% Austrian + 41.6% South_Polish @ 3.24
15 72.6% Austrian + 27.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.25
16 83.6% Hungarian + 16.4% Estonian @ 3.28
17 78.2% Austrian + 21.8% Lithuanian @ 3.28
18 50.9% Southwest_Russian + 49.1% South_Dutch @ 3.32
19 63% Belorussian + 37% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.34
20 78.7% Hungarian + 21.3% North_Swedish @ 3.36

[Gergő Marosvári]

Here is the results of my grandmother.
If someone can add her to the "Hungarian database and PCA" I would be very thankful for that.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.93
2 North_Atlantic 34.69
3 West_Med 11.64
4 East_Med 9.53
5 West_Asian 4.90
6 South_Asian 2.02
7 Red_Sea 1.21
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Oceanian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.65
2 East_German 5.1
3 Austrian 6.23
4 Croatian 7.67
5 South_Polish 8.14
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.93
7 Ukrainian 10.56
8 Moldavian 10.6
9 Polish 11.34
10 Serbian 12.34
11 North_Swedish 12.37
12 Southwest_Finnish 12.98
13 North_German 13.71
14 West_German 13.73
15 Southwest_Russian 14.3
16 Russian_Smolensk 14.48
17 Swedish 14.54
18 South_Dutch 14.78
19 Belorussian 14.8
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Belorussian + 44.5% French @ 2.62
2 72.4% Austrian + 27.6% Belorussian @ 2.85
3 72.6% Austrian + 27.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.95
4 55.4% Estonian_Polish + 44.6% French @ 2.95
5 56.4% Southwest_Russian + 43.6% French @ 3.03
6 70.5% South_Polish + 29.5% French @ 3.04
7 78.2% Hungarian + 21.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.05
8 52.1% West_German + 47.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.07
9 56.1% Russian_Smolensk + 43.9% French @ 3.15
10 51.1% West_German + 48.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.15
11 72.2% Austrian + 27.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.16
12 64.1% South_Polish + 35.9% West_German @ 3.2
13 52% West_German + 48% Belorussian @ 3.24
14 58.4% Austrian + 41.6% South_Polish @ 3.24
15 72.6% Austrian + 27.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.25
16 83.6% Hungarian + 16.4% Estonian @ 3.28
17 78.2% Austrian + 21.8% Lithuanian @ 3.28
18 50.9% Southwest_Russian + 49.1% South_Dutch @ 3.32
19 63% Belorussian + 37% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.34
20 78.7% Hungarian + 21.3% North_Swedish @ 3.36

I forgot to add, she is 100% from Tiszadob, Szabolcs-Szatmár Bereg county in the Northern part of the Great Hungarian Plain.

[Jana]

Here is the results of my grandmother.
If someone can add her to the "Hungarian database and PCA" I would be very thankful for that.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.93
2 North_Atlantic 34.69
3 West_Med 11.64
4 East_Med 9.53
5 West_Asian 4.90
6 South_Asian 2.02
7 Red_Sea 1.21
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Oceanian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.65
2 East_German 5.1
3 Austrian 6.23
4 Croatian 7.67
5 South_Polish 8.14
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.93
7 Ukrainian 10.56
8 Moldavian 10.6
9 Polish 11.34
10 Serbian 12.34
11 North_Swedish 12.37
12 Southwest_Finnish 12.98
13 North_German 13.71
14 West_German 13.73
15 Southwest_Russian 14.3
16 Russian_Smolensk 14.48
17 Swedish 14.54
18 South_Dutch 14.78
19 Belorussian 14.8
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Belorussian + 44.5% French @ 2.62
2 72.4% Austrian + 27.6% Belorussian @ 2.85
3 72.6% Austrian + 27.4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.95
4 55.4% Estonian_Polish + 44.6% French @ 2.95
5 56.4% Southwest_Russian + 43.6% French @ 3.03
6 70.5% South_Polish + 29.5% French @ 3.04
7 78.2% Hungarian + 21.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.05
8 52.1% West_German + 47.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.07
9 56.1% Russian_Smolensk + 43.9% French @ 3.15
10 51.1% West_German + 48.9% Southwest_Russian @ 3.15
11 72.2% Austrian + 27.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.16
12 64.1% South_Polish + 35.9% West_German @ 3.2
13 52% West_German + 48% Belorussian @ 3.24
14 58.4% Austrian + 41.6% South_Polish @ 3.24
15 72.6% Austrian + 27.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.25
16 83.6% Hungarian + 16.4% Estonian @ 3.28
17 78.2% Austrian + 21.8% Lithuanian @ 3.28
18 50.9% Southwest_Russian + 49.1% South_Dutch @ 3.32
19 63% Belorussian + 37% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.34
20 78.7% Hungarian + 21.3% North_Swedish @ 3.36

Nice results, very central European.

[noricum]

Here is the results of my grandmother.
If someone can add her to the "Hungarian database and PCA" I would be very thankful for that.

1 Baltic 34.93
2 North_Atlantic 34.69
3 West_Med 11.64
4 East_Med 9.53
5 West_Asian 4.90
6 South_Asian 2.02
7 Red_Sea 1.21
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Oceanian 0.27

Your grandma's results are very close to mine while you are similar to my halfbrother.

noricum(austrian),34.35,34.42,13.15,3.82,10.84,1.0 4,1.43,0,0.39,0,0.11,0.1,0
noricum_halfbro(austrian),27.38,41.09,12.60,3.48,9 .44,1.47,2.72,0.19,0.22,0.07,1.00,0.23,0.00

[Ion Basescul]

From Pecs and Nagykanizsa


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
32.5 Pct


Baltic
26.79 Pct


West_Med
12.27 Pct


West_Asian
11.19 Pct


East_Med
11.02 Pct


Red_Sea
2.92 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
2.24 Pct


Siberian
-


Amerindian
0.29 Pct


Oceanian
0.64 Pct


Northeast_African
0.12 Pct


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

[Jana]

From Pecs and Nagykanizsa


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
32.5 Pct


Baltic
26.79 Pct


West_Med
12.27 Pct


West_Asian
11.19 Pct


East_Med
11.02 Pct


Red_Sea
2.92 Pct


South_Asian
-


East_Asian
2.24 Pct


Siberian
-


Amerindian
0.29 Pct


Oceanian
0.64 Pct


Northeast_African
0.12 Pct


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

Thanks for posting. I didn't see many southern Transdanubian results so far.

[Jana]

This result is very interesting, high North Atlantic and low Baltic, combined with high woggy components (Est Med/West Asian/Red Sea) components and high East Asian.

[Scandal]

This result is very interesting, high North Atlantic and low Baltic, combined with high woggy components (Est Med/West Asian/Red Sea) components and high East Asian.
These are all transdanubians :
https://imgur.com/6OlnDS6
https://imgur.com/kJpgOgQ

[vbnetkhio]

hungarian account with many kits:
baloghpereszke@freemail.hu

this one seems to be part German from Tolna. don't know about the rest.

T094196, Elapsed time: 7.63 seconds.

Population
North_Atlantic 37.32 Pct
Baltic 27.19 Pct
West_Med 13.63 Pct
West_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Med 12.41 Pct
Red_Sea 0.79 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.43 Pct
Oceanian 0.34 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Jana]

These are all transdanubians :
https://imgur.com/6OlnDS6
https://imgur.com/kJpgOgQ

I know, but not sure how many are from south. South Transdanubia interests me because Stears mother is from there. It seems to be lowly populated region, even more than Alfold (didn't expect that)

His mother's Somogy county is most sparsely populated county in entire Hungary.

[Jana]

Fully Szekely result.

North_Atlantic 25.9 Pct
Baltic 28.56 Pct
West_Med 15.16 Pct
West_Asian 10.6 Pct
East_Med 15.11 Pct
Red_Sea 0.51 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 3.08 Pct
Amerindian 1.08 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Szekely,25.9,28.56,15.16,10.6,15.11,0.51,0,0,3.08, 1.08,0,0,0

Distance to: Szekely

3.44646195 Romania_Maramures
3.76511620 Serb_Serbia_West
3.85558037 Romania_Crisana
3.86383229 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.94784751 Serb
4.07017199 Serb_Croatia
4.15841316 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.25295192 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.48388225 Serb_Bosnia
4.52034291 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.52973509 Moldova_Centre
4.59343009 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.63960128 Moldova_average
4.68415414 Serb_Serbia_South
4.73001057 Serb_Herzegovina
4.83448032 Romania_Transylvania
5.12934694 Romania_average
5.15631651 Csángó-Ceangău
5.17943047 Croat_South
5.35967350 Romania_Banat
5.47231213 Bosniak
5.56381164 Montenegrin
6.04737133 Moldova_South
6.13910417 Croat_West
6.36472309 Serb_Southern_Montenegro

Target: Szekely
Distance: 2.1820% / 2.18199985 | R2P

90.8 Romania_Crisana
9.2 Udmurt

[J. Ketch]

Dunai (banned for the Ukraine war) wanted me to post his updated Hungarian averages, that I've added to the K13 database.


Hungarian,30.4,32.37,14.26,7.2,10.69,1.15,0.94,0.5 ,1.2,0.58,0.36,0.2,0.17 (n=696)

Hungarian_Alföld_South,29.96,33.53,14.48,6.45,10.3 8,1.15,0.76,0.57,1.44,0.61,0.29,0.23,0.14 (n=60)
Hungarian_Alföld_North,29.53,33.58,13.78,7.22,10.7 4,1.14,0.85,0.48,1.13,0.75,0.48,0.22,0.1 (n=57)
Hungarian_Central&Budapest,30.54,32.3,14.36,7.39,10.51,1.2,0.83,0.54 ,1.13,0.54,0.27,0.21,0.16 (n=129)
Hungarian_North,30.18,35.55,13.37,6.14,10.05,0.76, 1.16,0.43,1.1,0.5,0.41,0.17,0.18 (n=51)
Hungarian_Partium&Banat,29.28,31.68,14.55,6.84,12,1.36,0.97,0.69,1.1 6,0.74,0.34,0.26,0.08 (n=20)
Hungarian_Slovakia_Central&East,29.49,33.12,13.55,6.15,8.83,0.83,0.79,0.61,1. 25,0.62,0.32,0.4,0.2 (n=13)
Hungarian_Slovakia_West,30.92,31.78,14.63,7.24,10. 18,1.18,1.42,0.3,1.22,0.22,0.62,0.11,0.2 (n=9)
Hungarian_Székely,28.07,28.61,15.03,8.52,12.81,1.3 9,1.04,0.67,2.27,0.7,0.38,0.2,0.14 (n=60)
Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central&West,31.25,31.43,14.38,7.36,10.69,1.26,0.88,0.39,0 .94,0.75,0.37,0.09,0.21 (n=32)
Hungarian_Transdanubia_South,31.93,31.66,13.81,7.5 5,10.19,1.14,1.08,0.44,0.85,0.51,0.34,0.23,0.28 (n=81)
Hungarian_Transylvania,28.41,28.96,16.22,8.46,11.8 3,1.37,0.87,0.91,2.05,0.65,0.2,0.06,0.03 (n=7)

https://pastebin.com/1H0TwEFm - smaller regions
https://pastebin.com/7cn4xK0C - larger regions/nations

[Kiel]

Dunai (banned for the Ukraine war) wanted me to post his updated Hungarian averages, that I've added to the K13 database.


Hungarian,30.4,32.37,14.26,7.2,10.69,1.15,0.94,0.5 ,1.2,0.58,0.36,0.2,0.17 (n=696)

Hungarian_Alföld_South,29.96,33.53,14.48,6.45,10.3 8,1.15,0.76,0.57,1.44,0.61,0.29,0.23,0.14 (n=60)
Hungarian_Alföld_North,29.53,33.58,13.78,7.22,10.7 4,1.14,0.85,0.48,1.13,0.75,0.48,0.22,0.1 (n=57)
Hungarian_Central&Budapest,30.54,32.3,14.36,7.39,10.51,1.2,0.83,0.54 ,1.13,0.54,0.27,0.21,0.16 (n=129)
Hungarian_North,30.18,35.55,13.37,6.14,10.05,0.76, 1.16,0.43,1.1,0.5,0.41,0.17,0.18 (n=51)
Hungarian_Partium&Banat,29.28,31.68,14.55,6.84,12,1.36,0.97,0.69,1.1 6,0.74,0.34,0.26,0.08 (n=20)
Hungarian_Slovakia_Central&East,29.49,33.12,13.55,6.15,8.83,0.83,0.79,0.61,1. 25,0.62,0.32,0.4,0.2 (n=13)
Hungarian_Slovakia_West,30.92,31.78,14.63,7.24,10. 18,1.18,1.42,0.3,1.22,0.22,0.62,0.11,0.2 (n=9)
Hungarian_Székely,28.07,28.61,15.03,8.52,12.81,1.3 9,1.04,0.67,2.27,0.7,0.38,0.2,0.14 (n=60)
Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central&West,31.25,31.43,14.38,7.36,10.69,1.26,0.88,0.39,0 .94,0.75,0.37,0.09,0.21 (n=32)
Hungarian_Transdanubia_South,31.93,31.66,13.81,7.5 5,10.19,1.14,1.08,0.44,0.85,0.51,0.34,0.23,0.28 (n=81)
Hungarian_Transylvania,28.41,28.96,16.22,8.46,11.8 3,1.37,0.87,0.91,2.05,0.65,0.2,0.06,0.03 (n=7)

https://pastebin.com/1H0TwEFm - smaller regions
https://pastebin.com/7cn4xK0C - larger regions/nations

Hungarian_Transdanubia_South avg has the highest north atlantic % which I totally expected. Some members used to claim that southern transdanubia is the ultimate wog region of Hungary and that people look no different from balkanites...

[Kiel]

hungarian account with many kits:
baloghpereszke@freemail.hu

this one seems to be part German from Tolna. don't know about the rest.

T094196, Elapsed time: 7.63 seconds.

Population
North_Atlantic 37.32 Pct
Baltic 27.19 Pct
West_Med 13.63 Pct
West_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Med 12.41 Pct
Red_Sea 0.79 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.43 Pct
Oceanian 0.34 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Kiel_K13
2.12706370 T094196
2.57565526 Austrian_Burgenland
3.35584565 German_West_Bohemia
3.80958003 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
3.95651362 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
4.25303421 German_Bavaria_Proper
5.61027629 German_Bavarian_Swabia
5.73148977 Austrian_Lower_Austria
5.86463128 German_Baden-Württemberg
6.09844242 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
6.15832770 German_North_Moravia
6.21648615 French_Alsace

[Kiel]

KielGF,26.38,36.75,12.05,10.37,10.62,0,0.09,0.31,1 .24,1.37,0.44,0.37,0

1/2 Székely+1/2 SW Alföld

Distance to: Kielgf
3.26810343 Bosniak_Northeast
4.21714358 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.66119083 Romanian_Ukraine
4.75479758 Lemko_Poland
5.01628348 Bosniak_Central
5.29617787 Moldovan_North
5.93615195 Hungarian_Alföld_North
6.00095826 Ukrainian_Galicia
6.06656410 Bosniak_Krajina_East
6.19894346 Hungarian_North
6.25938495 Croat_Central
6.29241607 Croat_Kvarner
6.29758684 Ukrainian_Moldova
6.51411544 Romanian_Moldavia_North
6.85798804 Hungarian_Alföld_South
6.88573162 Slovak
6.91916903 Croat_Northwest
6.92808054 Hungarian_Slovakia_Central&East
6.94041065 Croat_Lika
7.04357864 Croat_Slavonia
7.13792687 Croat_Bosnia
7.25315104 Croat_Herzegovina
7.35923230 Hungarian_Central&Budapest
7.58480718 Croat_Dalmatia
7.61120227 Hungarian_Partium&Banat

[J. Ketch]

New Hungarian averages from Dunai

https://pastebin.com/7cn4xK0C

Hungarian,30.3,32.51,14.23,7.15,10.6,1.16,0.93,0.5 1,1.2,0.57,0.36,0.19,0.17
Hungarian_Székely,28.07,28.61,15.03,8.52,12.81,1.3 9,1.04,0.67,2.27,0.7,0.38,0.2,0.14

https://pastebin.com/1H0TwEFm

Hungarian_Alföld_South,29.97,33.38,14.43,6.46,10.5 ,1.16,0.85,0.57,1.42,0.61,0.29,0.24,0.14
Hungarian_Alföld_North,29.26,33.69,13.68,7.33,10.6 8,1.21,0.89,0.58,1.13,0.74,0.49,0.19,0.14
Hungarian_Central+Budapest,30.52,32.38,14.39,7.33, 10.52,1.19,0.82,0.55,1.13,0.53,0.27,0.19,0.16
Hungarian_North,30.32,35.58,13.23,6.22,10.01,0.8,1 .1,0.46,1.12,0.46,0.38,0.16,0.17
Hungarian_Slovakia_Central+East,29.48,33.42,13.54, 6.24,8.68,0.83,0.73,0.58,1.32,0.66,0.31,0.38,0.25
Hungarian_Slovakia_West,30.92,31.78,14.63,7.24,10. 18,1.18,1.42,0.3,1.22,0.22,0.62,0.11,0.2
Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central+West,31.78,31.68,14 .11,7.49,10.1,1.14,0.93,0.47,0.94,0.53,0.38,0.21,0 .25
Hungarian_Transdanubia_South,31.53,31.28,14.42,7.3 3,10.47,1.28,0.88,0.42,0.94,0.74,0.38,0.1,0.21
Hungarian_Transylvania+Partium,28.09,31.05,15.37,7 .78,11.86,1.53,1.03,0.69,1.47,0.58,0.26,0.18,0.07
Hungarian_Vojvodina+Banat,32.55,32.83,13.53,6.33,9 .03,1.38,1.07,0.49,1.15,0.9,0.37,0.22,0.15

[gixajo]

https://pastebin.com/1H0TwEFm - smaller regions

Target: gixajo
Distance: 334.9523% / 3.34952285 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.2 French_Aquitaine
43.4 Spanish_Galicia
5.8 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
4.6 Sardinian

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 255.6253% / 2.55625271 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.8 Spanish_Galicia
14.8 French_Aquitaine
13.4 Sardinian

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 183.4081% / 1.83408078 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.6 Spanish_Cantabria
42.4 French_Aquitaine
6.0 German_East_Prussia_Central

Target: gixajo_enana
Distance: 261.9778% / 2.61977765 | ADC: 0.25x RC
92.2 French_Aquitaine
6.8 Spanish_Galicia
1.0 Sardinian


https://pastebin.com/7cn4xK0C - larger regions/nations

Target: gixajo
Distance: 285.8233% / 2.85823271 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.8 French_Aquitaine
10.2 Moroccan_South
10.2 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
3.8 Spanish_North
1.0 Beta_Israel

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 175.0168% / 1.75016766 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.8 French_Aquitaine
29.6 Spanish_North
11.8 Moroccan_South
11.0 Sardinian
6.8 Russian_Pskov

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 224.5341% / 2.24534125 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.6 French_Aquitaine
39.4 Spanish_North
5.6 French_South
5.4 Swedish_West-Svealand

Target: gixajo_enana
Distance: 264.5379% / 2.64537913 | ADC: 0.25x RC
94.4 French_Aquitaine
3.2 Austrian_Lower_Austria
2.4 Sardinian

[gixajo]

If I remove French_Aquitaine, the algorithm+references continues to model us with a Basque-like base+its typical&usual antagonistic components (Sardinian+MENAs) and a strange tendency to give us Slav-like populations as common extra Northern European component.

Target: gixajo
Distance: 302.7273% / 3.02727280 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.2 Basque_France
22.2 Spanish_North
12.0 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
8.6 Moroccan_South
3.6 Sardinian
1.4 Beta_Israel

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 187.7570% / 1.87757005 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.0 Spanish_North
28.8 Basque_France
11.8 Moroccan_South
11.8 Sardinian
7.6 Russian_Pskov

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 260.8739% / 2.60873870 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.2 French_South
33.0 Basque_France
23.8 Spanish_North

Target: gixajo_enana
Distance: 325.8027% / 3.25802733 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.6 Basque_France
21.2 French_South
11.6 Spanish_North
3.6 Sardinian

[Jana]

tested too see to which pops are new averages closest:

Distance to: Hungarian_Alföld_South
1.61412515 Croat_Central
2.12080174 Croat_GorskiKotar
2.66362535 Austrian_Carinthia
2.80135681 Slovene
2.81172545 Croat_Northwest
3.37140920 Croat_Kvarner
4.10175572 Croat_Lika
4.94028339 Slovak
5.03537486 Croat_Istria
5.07038460 Bosniak_Central
5.19259088 Lemko_Poland
5.24906658 Austrian_Styria
5.31532689 Croat_Slavonia
5.34661575 Croat_Bosnia
5.48155088 Csángó-Ceangău
5.72502402 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.73661921 Romanian_Moldavia_North
5.84335520 Croat_Dalmatia
5.87960883 Bosniak_Northeast
6.07023064 Czech
6.08141431 Ukrainian_Carpathians
6.09441548 Hungarian_Székely
6.52026073 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.76903243 Romanian_Ukraine
6.85029196 Croat_Herzegovina

Distance to: Hungarian_Alföld_North
1.59232534 Croat_Central
2.65486346 Croat_GorskiKotar
2.73318496 Croat_Kvarner
3.00184943 Croat_Northwest
3.47657878 Austrian_Carinthia
3.61664209 Slovene
3.79094975 Croat_Lika
4.08006127 Bosniak_Central
4.72240405 Lemko_Poland
4.73067648 Bosniak_Northeast
4.80519511 Croat_Istria
4.86719632 Croat_Bosnia
4.87613577 Slovak
4.92859006 Croat_Slavonia
4.99967999 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.00726472 Romanian_Moldavia_North
5.34311707 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.35235462 Csángó-Ceangău
5.39535912 Croat_Dalmatia
5.55524077 Romanian_Ukraine
6.02829163 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.03111930 Hungarian_Székely
6.04120849 Austrian_Styria
6.06563270 Moldovan_North
6.08004934 Czech

Distance to: Hungarian_Central+Budapest
1.20830460 Croat_GorskiKotar
2.26375794 Croat_Central
2.46379788 Austrian_Carinthia
3.06737673 Croat_Kvarner
3.14845994 Slovene
3.21462284 Croat_Northwest
4.13330376 Croat_Lika
4.42204704 Austrian_Styria
4.84743231 Csángó-Ceangău
4.87452562 Croat_Istria
5.34692435 Bosniak_Central
5.35995336 Hungarian_Székely
5.39660078 Croat_Bosnia
5.59922316 Croat_Slavonia
5.63655923 Croat_Dalmatia
5.74522410 Slovak
5.74976521 Romanian_Moldavia_North
5.91050759 Bosniak_Krajina_East
6.17575906 Lemko_Poland
6.28983307 Bosniak_Northeast
6.29051667 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.45971362 German_County_Glatz
6.73104004 Czech
6.73753664 Romanian_Ukraine
6.99463366 Croat_Herzegovina

Distance to: Hungarian_North
2.09845181 Croat_Northwest
2.70501386 Slovene
2.72343533 Slovak
2.90814374 Croat_Central
3.40367449 Austrian_Carinthia
3.63520288 Croat_GorskiKotar
3.82476143 Czech
4.04320417 Lemko_Poland
4.71258952 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.04823732 Croat_Kvarner
5.54491659 German_Lower_Silesia
5.75516290 Ukrainian_Galicia
5.87548296 Bosniak_Central
5.95139479 Bosniak_Northeast
5.96019295 Croat_Lika
6.20619046 Austrian_Styria
6.72814982 Croat_Slavonia
6.95966235 Croat_Istria
6.99289640 Croat_Bosnia
7.03239646 Bosniak_Krajina_East
7.27963598 Romanian_Moldavia_North
7.31026675 Ukrainian_Moldova
7.54117365 Romanian_Ukraine
7.72934020 Croat_Dalmatia
7.80848897 Csángó-Ceangău

Distance to: Hungarian_Slovakia_Central+East
2.55096060 Croat_Northwest
2.97257464 Croat_Central
3.15765736 Slovene
3.17304270 Croat_GorskiKotar
3.70049997 Austrian_Carinthia
4.19580743 Slovak
4.74354298 Croat_Kvarner
5.06957592 Lemko_Poland
5.47997263 Austrian_Styria
5.50419840 Croat_Lika
5.53768002 Czech
5.78466939 Bosniak_Central
5.79287493 Ukrainian_Carpathians
6.11589732 Bosniak_Northeast
6.14247507 Csángó-Ceangău
6.27118809 German_Lower_Silesia
6.49651445 Bosniak_Krajina_East
6.53967889 Croat_Istria
6.66782573 Croat_Bosnia
6.68944691 Croat_Slavonia
6.74545773 Romanian_Moldavia_North
7.01047787 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.04337987 Croat_Dalmatia
7.13939073 Hungarian_Székely
7.26966299 Romanian_Ukraine

Distance to: Hungarian_Slovakia_West
1.55672734 Croat_GorskiKotar
2.68680107 Austrian_Carinthia
3.08003247 Croat_Central
3.32911400 Slovene
3.71138788 Croat_Northwest
3.75922864 Croat_Kvarner
3.98074114 Austrian_Styria
4.71226060 Croat_Lika
4.88188488 Csángó-Ceangău
5.34510991 Croat_Istria
5.34923359 Hungarian_Székely
5.95692874 Bosniak_Central
5.96661546 Croat_Bosnia
6.09013957 Croat_Dalmatia
6.09572801 German_County_Glatz
6.18775404 Croat_Slavonia
6.19191408 Slovak
6.31301830 Romanian_Moldavia_North
6.53548009 Bosniak_Krajina_East
6.79567510 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.89250317 Lemko_Poland
7.02898286 Bosniak_Northeast
7.14636271 Czech
7.18391258 German_Lower_Silesia
7.44960402 Romanian_Ukraine

Distance to: Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central+West
1.24983999 Croat_GorskiKotar
2.32847590 Austrian_Carinthia
3.19878102 Austrian_Styria
3.27146756 Slovene
3.54571572 Croat_Northwest
3.62191938 Croat_Central
4.24682234 Croat_Kvarner
5.13039959 German_County_Glatz
5.43863034 Croat_Lika
5.50493415 Csángó-Ceangău
5.86216683 Hungarian_Székely
5.99700759 Croat_Istria
6.19921769 Slovak
6.63810967 German_Lower_Silesia
6.67730485 Croat_Bosnia
6.68108524 Bosniak_Central
6.79032400 Croat_Dalmatia
6.87349984 Czech
6.94875528 Croat_Slavonia
7.01436383 Romanian_Moldavia_North
7.26575529 German_Thuringia_East
7.26736541 Bosniak_Krajina_East
7.32200109 Bosniak_Krajina_West
7.35507308 Lemko_Poland
7.35959238 German_North_Bohemia

Distance to: Hungarian_Transdanubia_South
1.52420471 Croat_GorskiKotar
2.62360439 Austrian_Carinthia
3.57909206 Austrian_Styria
3.61745767 Croat_Central
3.66346830 Slovene
3.99694884 Croat_Kvarner
4.00074993 Croat_Northwest
5.04588942 Croat_Lika
5.08031495 Csángó-Ceangău
5.31506350 Hungarian_Székely
5.50271751 German_County_Glatz
5.53326305 Croat_Istria
6.28082001 Croat_Bosnia
6.35910371 Croat_Dalmatia
6.54183461 Bosniak_Central
6.59015174 Croat_Slavonia
6.68163154 Romanian_Moldavia_North
6.68632934 Slovak
6.87901156 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.99566294 Bosniak_Krajina_East
7.27668881 German_Lower_Silesia
7.38829480 Czech
7.57919521 Lemko_Poland
7.64557388 Bosniak_Northeast
7.72272620 German_North_Bohemia

Distance to: Hungarian_Transylvania+Partium
2.18723570 Croat_Lika
2.34716851 Croat_Kvarner
2.52230054 Csángó-Ceangău
2.57083644 Croat_Istria
2.86599023 Hungarian_Székely
2.88509965 Croat_Dalmatia
3.04612869 Croat_Bosnia
3.24206724 Romanian_Moldavia_North
3.66230802 Croat_Slavonia
3.73563917 Croat_Central
3.89761466 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.93132293 Bosniak_Krajina_East
4.06364369 Bosniak_Central
4.12752953 Serb_NorthEastBosnia
4.33107377 Croat_GorskiKotar
4.44687531 Romanian_Maramureş
4.49329500 Croat_Herzegovina
4.77837839 Serb_WestSerbia
5.08911584 Serb_SouthwestSerbia
5.11133055 Serb_BosanskaKrajina
5.15978682 Serb_CentralCroatia
5.29467657 Romanian_Ukraine
5.31391569 Bosniak_Southeast
5.46662602 Moldovan_North
5.49999091 Moldovan_Central

Distance to: Hungarian_Vojvodina+Banat
2.22492697 Austrian_Carinthia
2.30091286 Slovene
2.35138257 Croat_GorskiKotar
2.57821644 Croat_Northwest
3.12100945 Austrian_Styria
4.26185406 Croat_Central
4.86657991 Slovak
4.93062876 German_County_Glatz
5.01328236 German_Lower_Silesia
5.18587505 Czech
5.81929549 Croat_Kvarner
5.96651490 German_Thuringia_East
6.31766571 German_North_Bohemia
6.92416060 Croat_Lika
7.06875519 German_Saxony
7.10487157 German_Thuringia_Central
7.17704675 Lemko_Poland
7.24350744 Csángó-Ceangău
7.67175338 Croat_Istria
7.77641305 Bosniak_Central
7.78085471 Hungarian_Székely
8.13482637 Ukrainian_Carpathians
8.19169702 Croat_Bosnia
8.28956573 Croat_Slavonia
8.37575071 Bosniak_Northeast

Distance to: Hungarian_Székely
2.16506351 Csángó-Ceangău
3.39311067 Romanian_Maramureş
3.88790432 Serb_SouthwestSerbia
3.93793093 Croat_Istria
4.03446403 Croat_Dalmatia
4.30548487 Serb_NorthEastBosnia
4.31192532 Romanian_Moldavia_North
4.33062351 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.35071259 Croat_Kvarner
4.37279087 Croat_Lika
4.51809694 Serb_Dalmatia
4.52406896 Serb_WestSerbia
4.63316307 Croat_Bosnia
4.70709040 Bosniak_Sandzak_West
4.94540190 Serb_BosanskaKrajina
5.04348094 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
5.05578876 Serb_Lika
5.16501694 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina
5.27690250 Serb_CentralCroatia
5.48505242 Croat_Slavonia
5.54164236 Romanian_Crişana
5.55965826 Bosniak_Southeast
5.60344537 Moldovan_Central
5.62787704 Serb_CentralSerbia
5.71090186 Croat_Herzegovina

[oszkar07]

New Hungarian averages from Dunai

https://pastebin.com/7cn4xK0C

Hungarian,30.3,32.51,14.23,7.15,10.6,1.16,0.93,0.5 1,1.2,0.57,0.36,0.19,0.17
Hungarian_Székely,28.07,28.61,15.03,8.52,12.81,1.3 9,1.04,0.67,2.27,0.7,0.38,0.2,0.14

https://pastebin.com/1H0TwEFm

Hungarian_Alföld_South,29.97,33.38,14.43,6.46,10.5 ,1.16,0.85,0.57,1.42,0.61,0.29,0.24,0.14
Hungarian_Alföld_North,29.26,33.69,13.68,7.33,10.6 8,1.21,0.89,0.58,1.13,0.74,0.49,0.19,0.14
Hungarian_Central+Budapest,30.52,32.38,14.39,7.33, 10.52,1.19,0.82,0.55,1.13,0.53,0.27,0.19,0.16
Hungarian_North,30.32,35.58,13.23,6.22,10.01,0.8,1 .1,0.46,1.12,0.46,0.38,0.16,0.17
Hungarian_Slovakia_Central+East,29.48,33.42,13.54, 6.24,8.68,0.83,0.73,0.58,1.32,0.66,0.31,0.38,0.25
Hungarian_Slovakia_West,30.92,31.78,14.63,7.24,10. 18,1.18,1.42,0.3,1.22,0.22,0.62,0.11,0.2
Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central+West,31.78,31.68,14 .11,7.49,10.1,1.14,0.93,0.47,0.94,0.53,0.38,0.21,0 .25
Hungarian_Transdanubia_South,31.53,31.28,14.42,7.3 3,10.47,1.28,0.88,0.42,0.94,0.74,0.38,0.1,0.21
Hungarian_Transylvania+Partium,28.09,31.05,15.37,7 .78,11.86,1.53,1.03,0.69,1.47,0.58,0.26,0.18,0.07
Hungarian_Vojvodina+Banat,32.55,32.83,13.53,6.33,9 .03,1.38,1.07,0.49,1.15,0.9,0.37,0.22,0.15

With added English populations.


Hungarian,30.3,32.51,14.23,7.15,10.6,1.16,0.93,0.5 1,1.2,0.57,0.36,0.19,0.17
Hungarian_Székely,28.07,28.61,15.03,8.52,12.81,1.3 9,1.04,0.67,2.27,0.7,0.38,0.2,0.14
Hungarian_Alföld_South,29.97,33.38,14.43,6.46,10.5 ,1.16,0.85,0.57,1.42,0.61,0.29,0.24,0.14
Hungarian_Alföld_North,29.26,33.69,13.68,7.33,10.6 8,1.21,0.89,0.58,1.13,0.74,0.49,0.19,0.14
Hungarian_Central+Budapest,30.52,32.38,14.39,7.33, 10.52,1.19,0.82,0.55,1.13,0.53,0.27,0.19,0.16
Hungarian_North,30.32,35.58,13.23,6.22,10.01,0.8,1 .1,0.46,1.12,0.46,0.38,0.16,0.17
Hungarian_Slovakia_Central+East,29.48,33.42,13.54, 6.24,8.68,0.83,0.73,0.58,1.32,0.66,0.31,0.38,0.25
Hungarian_Slovakia_West,30.92,31.78,14.63,7.24,10. 18,1.18,1.42,0.3,1.22,0.22,0.62,0.11,0.2
Hungarian_Transdanubia_Central+West,31.78,31.68,14 .11,7.49,10.1,1.14,0.93,0.47,0.94,0.53,0.38,0.21,0 .25
Hungarian_Transdanubia_South,31.53,31.28,14.42,7.3 3,10.47,1.28,0.88,0.42,0.94,0.74,0.38,0.1,0.21
Hungarian_Transylvania+Partium,28.09,31.05,15.37,7 .78,11.86,1.53,1.03,0.69,1.47,0.58,0.26,0.18,0.07
Hungarian_Vojvodina+Banat,32.55,32.83,13.53,6.33,9 .03,1.38,1.07,0.49,1.15,0.9,0.37,0.22,0.15
English_East,48.54,23.36,13.77,5.39,5.07,0.90,1.02 ,0.29,0.39,0.57,0.27,0.29,0.14
English_East-Midlands,48.97,23.84,14.00,5.58,4.20,0.79,1.01,0.1 4,0.15,0.47,0.43,0.20,0.21
English_Lancashire,50.89,23.67,13.16,5.16,3.51,0.7 5,0.92,0.17,0.19,0.71,0.38,0.23,0.19
English_Northeast,49.79,24.26,13.35,5.85,3.28,0.88 ,0.94,0.11,0.32,0.64,0.33,0.16,0.10
English_Southeast,49.15,23.47,13.59,5.88,4.24,0.72 ,1.15,0.15,0.24,0.57,0.44,0.23,0.16
English_Southwest,50.08,22.97,14.42,5.47,3.37,0.69 ,1.16,0.17,0.30,0.57,0.45,0.19,0.16
English_West-Midlands,49.72,23.48,13.55,5.63,4.13,0.51,1.11,0.1 8,0.29,0.50,0.39,0.26,0.17
English_Yorkshire,50.94,23.71,13.02,5.52,3.09,0.73 ,1.06,0.10,0.21,0.71,0.52,0.14,0.20

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 277.7931% / 2.77793147
46.6 Hungarian_Vojvodina+Banat
31.0 English_Lancashire
22.4 Hungarian_North

Included European Regional Populations minus Austria

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 179.1886% / 1.79188610 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.8 Hungarian_Vojvodina+Banat
30.0 Swiss_German
25.6 German_East_Prussia_Central
3.6 Sámi_Finland