I need informations about thracian turks

[walid]

Hello guys
can you give me any informations about thracian turks , what is their y-dna and where they came from etc...

Thank you!

[Dr_Maul]

You mean Pomaks right? I think they are mostly genetically close to Bulgarians and Greeks, but with Turk input. Most of them seem to have R1b or I according to Ftdna https://www.familytreedna.com/public/bulgariandna?iframe=yresults

[Thracian]

3/4 of my ancestors are from Northern Thrace -aka Bulgarian Thrace-. My Y-DNA is R1a-CTS3402, most likely it comes from Slavic invaders.

I actually do not collect samples, but as far as I know there are a few samples from Eastern Thrace -aka Turkish Thrace-. Kaspias also posted several times Turks from Western Thrace. He also knows better, I am sure he will also post some samples.

https://turkishdnaproject.com/

I guess, they only posted one sample from Eastern Thrace (Edirne).

They also have Balkan Turkish samples,

https://turkishdnaproject.com/balkan-turkleri/

I guess, no samples from Northern Thrace.

They have Western Thrace samples but they did not separate regions,

https://turkishdnaproject.com/yunanistan-turkleri/

[walid]

You mean Pomaks right? I think they are mostly genetically close to Bulgarians and Greeks, but with Turk input. Most of them seem to have R1b or I according to Ftdna https://www.familytreedna.com/public/bulgariandna?iframe=yresults

Thank you bro , but i have no idea if they are called Pomaks aswell

[walid]

Thank you mate , and you i'm looking for informations about eastern thrace and specifically edirne , i hope that Kaspias will provide more informations

[Dr_Maul]

Thank you bro , but i have no idea if they are called Pomaks aswell

Yes, I think you are talking about Pomaks. Kaspias should be able to tell you everything

[Kaspias]

I believe you are specifically interested in Edirne.

Edirne is a mixed city and includes around half a non-native population. This population is usually Balkan Turks who come from out of today's Turkey borders and other non-Turk Muslim Balkanites. (Pomaks primarily, also Bosniaks, Albanians) There was a huge migration period from the Balkans to Turkey started from the 1870s and until today, and Edirne was one of the major cities which took this migration. In this sense, it is hard to comment on it. Edirne also has a considerably gypsy population yet there are no many Anatolian Turks or any other ethnicities who live in Turkey except Balkan originated ones.

I can share with you a y-DNA chart of Balkan Turks I prepared last year. It is not a direct answer to your question but should be close to reality. I believe Edirne as a sole region shouldn't be much different than general. Perhaps boosted J2(like 15%) can be found in Edirne.

N=60, Balkan Turks from all over Balkans
https://i.ibb.co/3Csjf2j/Ads-z.png

N=25, Pomaks from Bulgaria(only 2 from Greece)

https://i.ibb.co/FDXVtvP/pomakydna.jpg

(By the way, Pomaks are known as either only Pomak or Pomak Turks and don't represent actual Thracian Turks. Thracian Turks have legit Turkic admixture while Pomaks don't have Turkic and can be considered as Muslim South Slavs. There is a great amount of Pomak population in Edirne.)


To be more specific on Thracian Turks, their Turkic admixture is the same as Anatolian Turks so Oghuz. Yet they should also have additional Tatar input as different from Anatolian Turks since Tatars also were migrated to the Balkans together with Oghuz tribes. Besides Turkic admixture, they carry native admixture of the places they settled. This admixture should be like 50-50% Greek and Bulgarian in Edirne. Northern parts were Bulgarian settlement and Southern parts were Greek colony.

There is a possibility(actually almost clear) that Turkic ancestor brought them a bunch of Iranic admixtures, too. Yet they don't have Anatolian, Caucasian, or Middle-Eastern type of ancestry.


I personally believe that TurkishDNA data on Eastern Thrace is extremely Northern/Western shifted, probably a result of a lack of required samples or a result of migration to Edirne for more than a hundred years. This result is very representative of Eastern Thrace Turks in my opinion:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.1
2 West_Asian 19.17
3 Baltic 16.97
4 West_Med 14.72
5 North_Atlantic 13.32
6 Siberian 4.31
7 Red_Sea 3.27
8 East_Asian 1.09
9 South_Asian 0.96
10 Amerindian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 10.67
2 Central_Greek 11.01
3 East_Sicilian 12.43
4 Italian_Abruzzo 13.21
5 Ashkenazi 13.51
6 Bulgarian 13.61
7 South_Italian 14.74
8 West_Sicilian 15.72
9 Romanian 15.79
10 Turkish 16.79
11 Tuscan 18.72
12 Sephardic_Jewish 19.04
13 Algerian_Jewish 19.68
14 Italian_Jewish 19.83
15 Serbian 19.84
16 Cyprian 20.69
17 Azeri 20.92
18 Tunisian_Jewish 21.75
19 Lebanese_Muslim 21.81
20 Libyan_Jewish 22.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.6% Bulgarian + 44.4% Turkish @ 4.13
2 59.3% Cyprian + 40.7% Tatar @ 4.38
3 65.3% Bulgarian + 34.7% Assyrian @ 4.55
4 65.6% Bulgarian + 34.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.57
5 61.5% Romanian + 38.5% Assyrian @ 4.66
6 61.9% Romanian + 38.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.83
7 51.7% Romanian + 48.3% Turkish @ 4.85
8 50.8% Moldavian + 49.2% Assyrian @ 4.89
9 55.6% Serbian + 44.4% Assyrian @ 4.92
10 61.6% Bulgarian + 38.4% Azeri @ 4.94
11 67.3% Bulgarian + 32.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.95
12 66.9% Bulgarian + 33.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.96
13 65.8% Cyprian + 34.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.04
14 63.5% Romanian + 36.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.14
15 66.7% Bulgarian + 33.3% Armenian @ 5.16
16 52.8% Moldavian + 47.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 5.16
17 65.7% Cyprian + 34.3% Erzya @ 5.2
18 63.2% Romanian + 36.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.24
19 55.9% Serbian + 44.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.27
20 54.5% Turkish + 45.5% Serbian @ 5.28


I can try to help if you have more questions.

[Mingle]

You mean Pomaks right? I think they are mostly genetically close to Bulgarians and Greeks, but with Turk input. Most of them seem to have R1b or I according to Ftdna https://www.familytreedna.com/public/bulgariandna?iframe=yresults

Pomaks are different, they're SE Slavic Muslims.

[walid]

I believe you are specifically interested in Edirne.



Thank you so much for these worthy informations , so i see that there is no dominant haplogroup among balkan turks , i have a thracian turkish from from edirne so i wanted to have an idea about what her y-dna will be so yeah there is no better solution than testing one of her male relatives and the information that they don't have an anatolian, caucasian and Middle eastern type of ancestry was also so interesting , thank you again