JamesBond007
05-07-2020, 02:20 AM
Alright, I finally come to the conclusion that one has to combine paper trail , oldschool anthropology, and haplogroups to these DNA calculators as they can be all over the place.
I think most people are not interested in the truth and hence that is why these calculators can be all over the place perhaps.
So, anyway let me know if I am cherry picking or if this is just common sense. Let's start with a modern tool everyone thinks is legit :
G25 is meant for PCA plots not the use most people use it for. Also, it is only as good as the pruned dataset -- too much pruning bad too little also bad. So, I'll start with the predefined definitions made by Davidski himself :
https://i.postimg.cc/KYYdB5tj/newplot.png
I cluster with the Scots mostly who are in the Germanic cluster, for some reason, and with some stray plastic paddies who are not 100% Celtic but marked as celtic.
Gaussian mathematics mode from Lukasz's analysis of my Eurogenes K36 :
Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Scotland @ 4.1359
2 SW_England
3 Orkney
4 Ireland
5 NL_Friesland
6 Iceland
7 SE_England
8 NL_Groningen
9 Northern_Ireland
10 NW_England
250 iterations.
Dodecad V3 which has me close to Argyll since Argyll and the Hebrides are somewhat more Gaidhlig/Goidelic than the rest of Scotland :
Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Argyll_1000 Genomes @ 2.248198
2 N._European_Xing @ 2.599243
3 Orkney_1000 Genomes @ 3.119397
4 Orcadian_HGDP @ 3.306229
5 CEU_HapMap @ 4.026981
untDNAL K13 Global 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
puntDNAL K13 Oracle
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Scottish @ 4.691241
2 Orcadian @ 4.975133
3 Irish @ 5.040867
4 English @ 5.050866
P.S. Y-DNA can be either Scottish or Irish and my Mtdna is found in some British people like Queen Victoria.
P.S. I do have a significant amount of Celtic Gaidhlig blood but there is not one single genetic cluster of Scots and a dog on the street can tell you that the Irish and Scots are related but not the same.
I think most people are not interested in the truth and hence that is why these calculators can be all over the place perhaps.
So, anyway let me know if I am cherry picking or if this is just common sense. Let's start with a modern tool everyone thinks is legit :
G25 is meant for PCA plots not the use most people use it for. Also, it is only as good as the pruned dataset -- too much pruning bad too little also bad. So, I'll start with the predefined definitions made by Davidski himself :
https://i.postimg.cc/KYYdB5tj/newplot.png
I cluster with the Scots mostly who are in the Germanic cluster, for some reason, and with some stray plastic paddies who are not 100% Celtic but marked as celtic.
Gaussian mathematics mode from Lukasz's analysis of my Eurogenes K36 :
Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Scotland @ 4.1359
2 SW_England
3 Orkney
4 Ireland
5 NL_Friesland
6 Iceland
7 SE_England
8 NL_Groningen
9 Northern_Ireland
10 NW_England
250 iterations.
Dodecad V3 which has me close to Argyll since Argyll and the Hebrides are somewhat more Gaidhlig/Goidelic than the rest of Scotland :
Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Argyll_1000 Genomes @ 2.248198
2 N._European_Xing @ 2.599243
3 Orkney_1000 Genomes @ 3.119397
4 Orcadian_HGDP @ 3.306229
5 CEU_HapMap @ 4.026981
untDNAL K13 Global 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
puntDNAL K13 Oracle
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Scottish @ 4.691241
2 Orcadian @ 4.975133
3 Irish @ 5.040867
4 English @ 5.050866
P.S. Y-DNA can be either Scottish or Irish and my Mtdna is found in some British people like Queen Victoria.
P.S. I do have a significant amount of Celtic Gaidhlig blood but there is not one single genetic cluster of Scots and a dog on the street can tell you that the Irish and Scots are related but not the same.