Turkish YDNA distribution

[Kyp]

From a large Turkish facebookgroup:


n= 267, Eastern Regions & Thrace excluded:


J2: 18.4
R1a: 13.9
N: 12.7
R1b: 12.0
G2: 9.7
E1b: 9.0
J1: 9.0
I1: 3.4
I2: 3.0
Q: 2.2
T: 1.9
L: 1.1
R2: 1.1
C2: 1.1
G1: 1.1
O: 0.4


Balkan Turkish n=66:
R1a: 21.67
E: 16.67
R1b: 15.00
I2: 15.00
J1: 5.00
N: 5.00
I1: 5.00
J2: 3.33
Q: 3.33
C: 1.67
T: 1.67
O: 1.67
R2: 1.67
G: 1.67
H: 1.67

[SUPREEEEEME]

Any subclades?

[Halgurd]

Why does Turkey have significant R1b? I've noticed Assyrians and Turks have high levels of R1b in the Middle East.

[Kyp]

Any subclades?

No unfortunately

[Kyp]

Why does Turkey have significant R1b? I've noticed Assyrians and Turks have high levels of R1b in the Middle East.

Some of it could have come with the Turks

[Rocinante]

Almost every R1b of the turks is the L23, and barely L11 descendants.

https://i0.wp.com/www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-R1b-L23.gif?zoom=2

[Pater Patota]

Why does Turkey have significant R1b? I've noticed Assyrians and Turks have high levels of R1b in the Middle East.

IMHO, Steppe related Indo-European speakers.

[Reis-i Cumhur]

IMHO, Steppe related Indo-European speakers.

LOOOOOOLL That anadolid jason statham made my fucking day :DDDDDDDD

[Marmara]

Why does Turkey have significant R1b? I've noticed Assyrians and Turks have high levels of R1b in the Middle East.

Armenians have it most, it's a native haplogroup to the region, most likely came with IE migration to Anatolia.

[Pater Patota]

LOOOOOOLL That anadolid jason statham made my fucking day :DDDDDDDD

Yes, I’m Armenoid Anadolid Jason Statham.

[Aileron]

I am probably N

[Kaspias]

Haplogroups of Balkan Turks(Eastern Thrace included)

N=60(last year's work, needs an update)

https://i.ibb.co/3Csjf2j/Ads-z.png

You can update thread

[Leto]

As mixed as it gets.

[Rocinante]

I am probably N

Bet my ass that you are R1. You will be on my club!

[Kyp]

Thread updated

[Thambi]

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[Dr_Maul]

I really doubt that person with R2 is a native Turk

[Kyp]

I really doubt that person with R2 is a native Turk

Why? it even exists in the Balkan Turks

From wikipedia:

"...it also appears to be present at low levels in the Caucasus, Iran, Anatolia and Europe."

[Dr_Maul]

Why? it even exists in the Balkan Turks

"However, it also appears to be present at low levels in the Caucasus, Iran, Anatolia and Europe."

Hmmmmmm yeah you're right. But I doubt it's 'originally' Turkic right? It seems like its an older one, they probably picked it up along the way. I always assumed it was just a Dravidian haplo

[Leto]

Hmmmmmm yeah you're right. But I doubt it's 'originally' Turkic right? It seems like its an older one, they probably picked it up along the way. I always assumed it was just a Dravidian haplo
There were Romani/Gypsy people in Turkey as well. Don't know how Turkified they are by now. Prolly monolingual Turkish speakers with Turkish names.

[Dr_Maul]

There were Romani/Gypsy people in Turkey as well. Don't know how Turkified they are by now. Prolly monolingual Turkish speakers with Turkish names.

Yeah that's probably it, although I don't see Gypsy's as the type of people to get Turkified really, it was probably just a distant Romani ancestor a while ago (or could be more recent, who knows)

[Thambi]

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[Leto]

Yeah that's probably it, although I don't see Gypsy's as the type of people to get Turkified really, it was probably just a distant Romani ancestor a while ago (or could be more recent, who knows)
Well, Turkey isn't a liberal society like the West, I don't think Gypsies have any privileges over there. They have to be Muslims and speak Turkish.

[Eline]

I really doubt that person with R2 is a native TurkThey found R2 in the very ancient Iranian NEO farmers.

R2 is just native to the Iranian Plateau.

[Eline]

Why does Turkey have significant R1b? I've noticed Assyrians and Turks have high levels of R1b in the Middle East.There is R1b in Central Africa. R1b entered Africa with agriculture from the Levant after the Neolithics. That means that R1b was already present in the Middle East since that time. So it is a very old haplogroup in the Middle East.

[Mejgusu]

There is R1b in Central Africa. R1b entered Africa with agriculture from the Levant after the Neolithics. That means that R1b was already present in the Middle East since that time. So it is a very old haplogroup in the Middle East.

I bet R1b came from Aryan homeland Ararat.

Btw do you have a chart of Central anatolian turks? I probably have J2.

[Eline]

The most major original 'Gypsy' Y-DNA haplogroup is "H". H was present among the AASI and other very ancient Vedic/Dravidian people.

[Thambi]

The most major original 'Gypsy' Y-DNA haplogroup is "H". H was present among the AASI and other very ancient Vedic/Dravidian people.

could some of the R1a be gypsy related as well? R1a is slightly more common than H in the subcontinent tbh. gypsies probably were a mix of both.

[Mejgusu]

could some of the R1a be gypsy related as well? R1a is slightly more common than H in the subcontinent tbh. gypsies probably were a mix of both.

Idk, but H is common in Romania in Romanis. Maybe original Romanis didnt have R1a, maybe they were lower cast people.

[Kyp]

could some of the R1a be gypsy related as well? R1a is slightly more common than H in the subcontinent tbh. gypsies probably were a mix of both.

Let's not overestimate the gypsy influence in Anatolia. There are different reasons for R1a in Turks appearing much more obvious. Also H wasn't detected in this set for Anatolian Turks.

[Eline]

I bet R1b came from Aryan homeland Ararat.

Btw do you have a chart of Central anatolian turks? I probably have J2.There is a lot R1b in the Armenians, but also in the Southern Kurdistan. Yezidi Kurds who are the purest and the most original Kurds have much more R1b than R1a.

They found R1b in the Kura-Araxes culture. But they found even R1b in a Turkic Botai culture in Central Asia (arrived most likely from Yamnaya).

R1b in West Asia has to compete with other major haplogroups like J2a. I think that J2a is stronger than R1b and doesn't give R1b any chance to spread and dominate the region. There is also something like R1a-Z93 from Kurdistan/Iran that is also competing for the dominance. That's why R1b is not that high as in the Western Europe.


I don't know. Turks are very mixed people. Turks from every region are very different from each other. That's mostly because Turks Turkified native local people of Anatolia who were different from each other.

[Eline]

could some of the R1a be gypsy related as well? R1a is slightly more common than H in the subcontinent tbh. gypsies probably were a mix of both.Yeah, it could be for sure! But I don't think that R1a was the most original AASI haplogroup.

[Aileron]

Hablogroup N is higher among Anatolian Turks than Balkan Turks which is interesting..

[Thambi]

Let's not overestimate the gypsy influence in Anatolia. There are different reasons for R1a in Turks appearing much more obvious. Also H wasn't detected in this set for Anatolian Turks.

oh no i didnt say turks mixed with gypsies. I was more curious on the haplogroups of gypsies in general. and the balkan turks showed almost 2% H so thats why i was wondering if maybe idk 2% had R1a from gypsies as well. thats all.

[Aileron]

oh no i didnt say turks mixed with gypsies. I was more curious on the haplogroups of turks in general. and the balkan turks showed almost 2% H so thats why i was wondering if maybe idk 2% had R1a from gypsies as well. thats all.

Its 1.67 for Balkan Turks and 0 for Anatolian Turks which is very low actually but maybe those small percentage is from Roma people but keep in my that they are very mixed as well.

[Eline]

oh no i didnt say turks mixed with gypsies. I was more curious on the haplogroups of gypsies in general. and the balkan turks showed almost 2% H so thats why i was wondering if maybe idk 2% had R1a from gypsies as well. thats all.I do belive that a lot Gypsies had H or R1a, but it is also possible that some H is very old in West Asia, mostly because there was some ancient trade between the ancient South Asia, like IVC, and West Asian Mesopotamian cultures and Elamites.

But, it is true that the original homeland of 'H' has to be South Asia.

[Kyp]

I'm a bit surprised by the high numbers of R1a tbh

[Eline]

Its 1.67 for Balkan Turks and 0 for Anatolian Turks which is very low actuallyIt has been said that there are 2 million Roma/Sinti in Romania. 10% of the Romanian population. Don't know much about other in other Eastern European and Balkan counttires, but it has to be a lot.

[Kaspias]

There is only one H in Balkan Turks. Keep in mind the sample size.

I smell some trolling goes here.

[Eline]

She talks from 18:00 about the current Roma/Sinti people position in Europe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXOEz5jmQVQ&feature=emb_logo

[Aileron]

There is only one H in Balkan Turks. Keep in mind the sample size.

I smell some trolling goes here.

https://i.hizliresim.com/eov449.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/eov449)

Topicdeki 'kel' in kim olduğu açık aslında dostum, bir süredir bu arkadaş bizim threadlarda..

[ixulescu]

It has been said that there are 2 million Roma/Sinti in Romania. 10% of the Romanian population.

A lot of nonsense has been said about Roma, including this one.
Roma population in Romania is roughly 3%.

[Mejgusu]

Pls stop we get offtopic, this thread is very interesting...

@Kyp Snow maybe youre interested in to know that a Afşar villiage scored i think 30-50% y-dna L, 12% Q and something with 3% N and rest were i think J2/R1ab. So i wouldnt be suprize if I get L. It is also founded in blacksea are, Syria, some druze villages but also defeated in Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Afghanistan. Central anatolia can score L, thats alsointeresting.

[Kyp]

Pls stop we get offtopic, this thread is very interesting...

@Kyp Snow maybe youre interested in to know that a Afşar villiage scored i think 30-50% y-dna L, 12% Q and something with 3% N and rest were i think J2/R1ab. So i wouldnt be suprize if I get L. It is also founded in blacksea are, Syria, some druze villages but also defeated in Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan/Afghanistan. Central anatolia can score L, thats alsointeresting.

Interesting. I only found this for Anatolian afshars:


6.7. 367139 Afshar N1
15 23 15 11 11-13 11 12 10 14 15 30
This Turkish Clan found distant relatives-matches from subclade: N1c1-L708, L839+, L1026-, L392-

[Mejgusu]

Interesting. I only found this for Anatolian afshars:

Unfortunately i wont make a test this year, i hope i can next year. I would expect J2, but who knows... What is secure that old researches of y-dna of anatolian turks were totally made sloppy, accordin wiki we dont even get 8% east eurasian, other studies with ethnic turks debunk that anatolan turks have a lot mor east eurasian y-dna. I believe something between 10-25%. And thats high according to we are just assimilated.

[SharpFork]

Gypsy influence in Ottoman territories shouldn't be surprising but if any exist it would be minor, remember that the Gypsy population exploded in the 20th century and prior to 1900 it would have made only a minor fraction of the population even where they were most numerous.

[Mejgusu]

Gypsy influence in Ottoman territories shouldn't be surprising but if any exist it would be minor, remember that the Gypsy population exploded in the 20th century and prior to 1900 it would have made only a minor fraction of the population even where they were most numerous.

No troll.

[SharpFork]

No troll.

How is trolling? Do we have to be here assuming all Turks are exactly a mix between just locals and just "pure" Turkics without any of the surrounding people(Arabs, Gypsies etc) having any effect?

Come the fuck on, I'm tired of people delusions for complete purity.

[Mejgusu]

How is trolling? Do we have to be here assuming all Turks are exactly a mix between just locals and just "pure" Turkics without any of the surrounding people(Arabs, Gypsies etc) having any effect?

Come the fuck on, I'm tired of people delusions for complete purity.

Dude, some could have but the overwhelming majority are a mix of 30-70% Turkmen/uzbekh(my definition for turkic) to 30-70% non turkic(mostly anatolian(caucasus/med) with sometimes iranic or balkan influence). South asian admix ismt an indicate for romani ancestry, every people from west to central asia have it. Romani werent people who you intermarry with in the past.

So btw next time, you refrain things like „come the fuck on“, ok :)

[Black Wolf]

Dude, some could have but the overwhelming majority are a mix of 30-70% Turkmen/uzbekh(my definition for turkic) to 30-70% non turkic(mostly anatolian(caucasus/med) with sometimes iranic or balkan influence). South asian admix ismt an indicate for romani ancestry, every people from west to central asia have it. Romani werent people who you intermarry with in the past.

So btw next time, you refrain things like „come the fuck on“, ok :)

Not sure if you have seen this result before but there is a guy in the Oghuz Turks DNA Project at FTDNA that has Begdili listed. He is J-L192 which is a subclade of J2a.

206500 M.Ceylan.. Afshar or Beğdili Clan Turkey J-L192

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/OghuzTurks?iframe=yresults

[aklifal]

N1c reporting (L666) (P43)

[Mejgusu]

Not sure if you have seen this result before but there is a guy in the Oghuz Turks DNA Project at FTDNA that has Begdili listed. He is J-L192 which is a subclade of J2a.

206500 M.Ceylan.. Afshar or Beğdili Clan Turkey J-L192

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/OghuzTurks?iframe=yresults


Yeah J2 is very common in central anatolia, i could have it.

[Doceia]

The actual Y-dna distribution of Anatolian and Balkan Turks according to TurkishDNA Project

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