Classify Turkish goalkeeper Arda Özçimen

[Kivan]

From Izmir (Western Turkey).
Height: 188 cm.

https://abload.de/img/37743738_260664534622v1kt6.jpg
https://abload.de/img/23823999_200457246647nmjha.jpg
https://abload.de/img/29739582_19068431832525kat.jpg
https://abload.de/img/37714314_240585859899ujkrn.jpg
https://abload.de/img/95894176_260642950629xekyi.jpg

[The Blade]

Another Atlantid.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Pontid+Med or some sort of other Med type.

[Immanenz]

pred. Atlanto Med, his father is local Dinarid type

[XenophobicPrussian]

pred. Atlanto Med, his father is local Dinarid type
Eyes are too eastern for Atlanto-Med. He still looks Turkish/N. Levant, not Spanish.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1025651786957418496/udCZU83-.jpg

https://www.trtspor.com.tr/resimler/256000/256546.jpg

https://scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/s240x240/75214675_441864463151463_4052024178723450193_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=l1mHzrNbUiwAX_smpq1&oh=8626d12cb426905f1e9a7a79d5f09183&oe=5EDF6CC3&ig_cache_key=MjE5ODEyMDMwOTYwNDExOTYxMQ%3D%3D.2

Agree on the dad though.

[Immanenz]

Eyes are too eastern for Atlanto-Med. He still looks Turkish/N. Levant, not Spanish.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1025651786957418496/udCZU83-.jpg

https://www.trtspor.com.tr/resimler/256000/256546.jpg

https://scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/s240x240/75214675_441864463151463_4052024178723450193_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=l1mHzrNbUiwAX_smpq1&oh=8626d12cb426905f1e9a7a79d5f09183&oe=5EDF6CC3&ig_cache_key=MjE5ODEyMDMwOTYwNDExOTYxMQ%3D%3D.2

Agree on the dad though.

yeah, he might have minor Turanid (or just East Med) in eye region. metrically he is Atlanto.
Spanish Atlantos have often either Baskid or Berid eye area

[Kivan]

Eyes are too eastern for Atlanto-Med. He still looks Turkish/N. Levant, not Spanish.


That are just deep set eyes and i don't see anything Levant about his look.
You deliberately picked a weird angle picture of him with poor lightining.

[Babak]

Lmao at levantine.

The guy is clearly Atlantid

[XenophobicPrussian]

yeah, he might have minor Turanid (or just East Med) in eye region. metrically he is Atlanto.
Spanish Atlantos have often either Baskid or Berid eye area
Anyone in West Eurasia and N. Africa can be metrically Atlanto-Med, which makes it meaningless. This is the Coon version of anthropology where he had Atlanto-Meds peak in Basques and North Africans, rather than say Basques and Spaniards. Meds to Nordics are the same outside of eye shape, eyebrow thickness, pigmentation, etc.


The different groups studied in Ethiopia share a tendency to dolichocephaly or mesocephaly, and to a narrow face form. In the measurements of the head and face, all are fundamentally Mediterranean, and the negroid traits manifested in the soft parts do not reveal themselves in the measurements, except in nose breadth and in the biorbital and interorbital diameters. The heads are larger than those of the Yemeni Mediterraneans; Amharas (in the sense of Semitic-speaking Abyssinians) have vault dimensions of 194 mm. (length) by 150 mm. (breadth) by 127 mm. (height); these figures could apply as well to Nordics as to Abyssinians.


So far the inhabitants of the Abyssinian plateau, whatever their speech and ethnic origin, are (...) comparable to Mediterraneans (...) as well as to North European Nordics.

That are just deep set eyes and i don't see anything Levant about his look.
You deliberately picked a weird angle picture of him with poor lightining.
3 pictures(when the guy barely has any pictures in the first place), which look the same as your 2nd and last pics. He looks more Middle-Eastern than Spanish, and therefore cannot be an Atlanto-Med. If we were going only off the first pic I would agree with Atlanto-Med, but often you can't just base it on one picture.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Lmao at levantine.

The guy is clearly Atlantid
https://static.tumblr.com/f0b411023a629a46f4f54b8a76a14a82/k9pr7tm/jAhndt89f/tumblr_static_9wqidv8jam8044ccwgcgkckgs.jpg

https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/23823999_2004572466478549_4007991260752117760_n.jp g?_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=c-YjPedF27EAX9zfzUe&oh=2ac539930782ea07e1f3abbb6d3aa72a&oe=5EE34D7F

https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/s1080x1080/95894176_2606429506298346_3324120739129285489_n.jp g?_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=106&_nc_ohc=rgF4VVcyntMAX8kMzDr&oh=7f13f8c2dab5bb31e4d90df29fb884bc&oe=5EE3BE11

If you think both these people are the same phenotype, I don't know what to tell ya, other than, can you post any examples posted in the Atlantid thread not posted by Kivan or Blade(unless only they are right of course) that look like this Turkish goalkeeper?

[Immanenz]

Anyone in West Eurasia and N. Africa can be metrically Atlanto-Med, which makes it meaningless. Meds to Nordics are the same outside of eye shape, eyebrow thickness, pigmentation, etc.





3 pictures(when the guy barely has any pictures in the first place), which look the same as your 2nd and last pics. He looks more Middle-Eastern than Spanish, and therefore cannot be an Atlanto-Med. If we were going only off the first pic I would agree with Atlanto-Med, but often you can't just base it on one picture.

the East Med type itself is not well defined (human phenotypes does not use it for example) . Its similar to a lighter and more Med variant of Armenoid. He might have this influence, but since this is not well defined nor does the individual express it in a high manner i could not classify him as such.
Maybe he is standing between Atlanto Med and East Med. You could also call it local Med, but the local Med is Anatolid ( as i m not an expert in regional differences in Turkey) which is quite different. Cem Özdemir would be a local Anatolid type.

[Friedrich Ulrich]

Balkan

[Kivan]

https://static.tumblr.com/f0b411023a629a46f4f54b8a76a14a82/k9pr7tm/jAhndt89f/tumblr_static_9wqidv8jam8044ccwgcgkckgs.jpg

https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/23823999_2004572466478549_4007991260752117760_n.jp g?_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=c-YjPedF27EAX9zfzUe&oh=2ac539930782ea07e1f3abbb6d3aa72a&oe=5EE34D7F

If you think both these people are the same phenotype, I don't know what to tell ya, other than, can you post any examples posted in the Atlantid thread not posted by Kivan or Blade(unless only they are right of course) that look like this Turkish goalkeeper?

Not exactly the same but both are still Nordic-Mediterranean mixes.
Arda looks like a mix of Atlanto-Med + Corded/East Nordid while Gibson looks like Atlanto-Med + Hallstatt Nordid.

Checking the same thread now, i noticed you posted this guy as example:

https://img2.thejournal.ie/article/4048351/river?version=4048607&width=1340

Do you think him and Gibson have the same phenotype? He looks totally Brunn to me.

And to be honest, i think facial structure of Arda looks like this example you also posted:

https://one-versus-one.com/img/players/aritz-elustondo-irribaria-199354-ub-800.png


Or do you think the Irish guy has the same phenotype as the Swedish player?

[XenophobicPrussian]

the East Med type itself is not well defined (human phenotypes does not use it for example) . Its similar to a lighter and more Med variant of Armenoid. He might have this influence, but since this is not well defined nor does the individual express it in a high manner i could not classify him as such.
Maybe he is standing between Atlanto Med and East Med. You could also call it local Med, but the local Med is Anatolid ( as i m not an expert in regional differences in Turkey) which is quite different. Cem Özdemir would be a local Anatolid type.
Anatolid is also Armenid/Dinaric influenced, so I don't think it's the local Turkish/Levant variant of Med. I also didn't use East Med for the same reasons as you, no Dinaric influence. I'd be curious if Spanish people think he looks specifically Spanish. He could be Atlanto-Med in the http://humanphenotypes.net/Eurafricanid.html or Coon Atlanto-Med sense(peaking in Basques/North Africans instead of Basques/Spanish, yeah no way I'm following a system like that), but yeah, anything that describes "Today common in Portugal, Eastern Spain (e.g. Valencia), Liguria, Western Switzerland, Wales, Croatia, North Algeria, Morocco, and Canary Islands. In Mesopotamia more diluted and transitional to Proto Iranid. " is useless to me.

[Latinus]

What a tall fella!
I think he is Alpinized Atlantid.

[Immanenz]

Anatolid is also Armenid/Dinaric influenced, so I don't think it's the local Turkish/Levant variant of Med. I also didn't use East Med for the same reasons as you, no Dinaric influence. I'd be curious if Spanish people think he looks specifically Spanish. He could be Atlanto-Med in the http://humanphenotypes.net/Eurafricanid.html or Coon Atlanto-Med sense(peaking in Basques/North Africans instead of Basques/Spanish, yeah no way I'm following a system like that), but yeah, anything that describes "Today common in Portugal, Eastern Spain (e.g. Valencia), Liguria, Western Switzerland, Wales, Croatia, North Algeria, Morocco, and Canary Islands. In Mesopotamia more diluted and transitional to Proto Iranid. " is useless to me.

i get what you mean. As i said, i really believe after looking longer that he is between Atlanto and East Med. I would not guess him either as Spanish but than again i would not guess him as from Levant too.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Not exactly the same but both are still Nordic-Mediterranean mixes.
Arda looks like a mix of Atlanto-Med + Corded/East Nordid while Gibson looks like Atlanto-Med + Hallstatt Nordid.

Checking the same thread now, i noticed you posted this guy as example:

https://img2.thejournal.ie/article/4048351/river?version=4048607&width=1340

Do you think him and Gibson have the same phenotype? He looks totally Brunn to me.

And to be honest, i think facial structure of Arda looks like this example you also posted:

https://one-versus-one.com/img/players/aritz-elustondo-irribaria-199354-ub-800.png


Or do you think the Irish guy has the same phenotype as the Swedish player?
I said he's pred. Atlantid with Brunn which I included for some diversity, you could've used the examples I stated were textbook, but yeah, I would say he's pred. Atlantid. Jaw is too small, too long faced, brown eyed, etc. I would also say none of them, including the Spanish example, look like the Turkish goalkeeper(and the Brunn influenced one looks closer to Gibson than the Turkish goalkeeper). At all, other than the basic Med family/Aurignacid similarities.

These are pure Brunns in my book(except bottom right, more Borreby, bottom left is also Nordic influenced):

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/the-races-of-the-world/images/6/61/2yyxrmx.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190815091634

In order for him to be Atlantid, he would need to pass very well in the geographic location where they peak, which is either W France or the British Isles depending on who you ask. I don't think many people of either ethnicity, however, would say the Turkish goalkeeper passes, when given multiple pictures. Could be wrong of course, might be a good idea to ask.

[Pater Patota]

Does he have Albanian ancestry?

[Cristiano viejo]

Looks almost white. Descendant of Greeks maybe?

[Pater Patota]

IMHO, he looks Albanian.

[Kivan]

Does he have Albanian ancestry?

No. Half Balkan Turk, half Anatolian Turk, as far as i know.


IMHO, he looks Albanian.

No, he doesn't.

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Anyway, thanks for the opinions but this thread became a mess so i'm closing it for now.