"Iberian's" 24Genetic Results!

[Luso]

here they are... confused why Portugal is so low... am I Spanish/French? Que es isto :picard2:... :thumb001:


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=98583&d=1589309779

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=98584&d=1589309791

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=98585&d=1589309802

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=98586&d=1589309831

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=98587&d=1589309844

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=98588&d=1589309855

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=98589&d=1589309870

[Luso]

I also got just .30% Algarve... where my family is from.

[Nassbean]

I also got just .30% Algarve... where my family is from.

how much did you pay for this ?

[Luso]

how much did you pay for this ?

49 bucks

[Nassbean]

49 bucks

Doesn't to be accurate at all sorry for you mate

[Luso]

Doesn't to be accurate at all sorry for you mate

It's usually accurate for Iberians. But maybe it is better for Spaniards. It is a site from Spain anyway.

[Gallop]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5I9fItBVAq8/Xrr1cCOXjzI/AAAAAAAADxM/zN5we_FqCNkJLuQF-xvenhivjP-XFE7wgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/GlobalVisionNEW.jpeg

Mine is like this. Well I love having taken Russian and Oriental, not for political but cultural reasons. In NA I already knew that; Although FTDNA has given me 4% and I have my reservations with the labeling, I am referring generally not to a particular company.

Anyway now with the results of France I hope to see in the results of the French users that NA and that little bit of SSA that they give to the Iberians as you call us, obviously we are but the Lady of Elche or De Baza are still plus.

I have always considered Russia Europe anyway. In short, as more samples are added, companies will update the results.

I am content with my results, to defeat the enemy you have to take him inside.

lol just kidding, you are on very nervous nerves these days.

[Luso]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5I9fItBVAq8/Xrr1cCOXjzI/AAAAAAAADxM/zN5we_FqCNkJLuQF-xvenhivjP-XFE7wgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/GlobalVisionNEW.jpeg

Mine is like this. Well I love having taken Russian and Oriental, not for political but cultural reasons. In NA I already knew that; Although FTDNA has given me 4% and I have my reservations with the labeling, I am referring generally not to a particular company.

Anyway now with the results of France I hope to see in the results of the French users that NA and that little bit of SSA that they give to the Iberians as you call us, obviously we are but the Lady of Elche or De Baza are still plus.

I have always considered Russia Europe anyway. In short, as more samples are added, companies will update the results.

I am content with my results, to defeat the enemy you have to take him inside.

lol just kidding, you are on very nervous nerves these days.

True, overall I'm content. Just very low Portuguese for me was surprising. But as you said, they will update it as time goes... Time will tell.

[gixajo]

[I]

Mine is like this. Well I love having taken Russian and Oriental, not for political but cultural reasons. In NA I already knew that; Although FTDNA has given me 4% and I have my reservations with the labeling, I am referring generally not to a particular company.

Anyway now with the results of France I hope to see in the results of the French users that NA and that little bit of SSA that they give to the Iberians as you call us, obviously we are but the Lady of Elche or De Baza are still plus.

I have always considered Russia Europe anyway. In short, as more samples are added, companies will update the results.

I am content with my results, to defeat the enemy you have to take him inside.

lol just kidding, you are on very nervous nerves these days.


True, overall I'm content. Just very low Portuguese for me was surprising. But as you said, they will update it as time goes... Time will tell.

You get your results by test saliva or exporting your raw data made by other companies?

[Luso]

You get your results by test saliva or exporting your raw data made by other companies?

importing my results from Ancestry.

[Gallop]

You get your results by test saliva or exporting your raw data made by other companies?

My saliva data is in FTDNA.

[Lucas]

I predict Iberians will get message from them soon (sorry from mysterious "Harald Meller") with "new, better" results with more Portugal:) And will be told it was sample result like in Gallop case:)

But as I wrote it, he won't rather...

[gixajo]

I predict Iberians will get message from them soon with "new, better" results with more Portugal:) And will be told it was sample result like in Gallop case:)

We need more and better samples from Portugal, Andalusia and other Spanish regions, and not so many from Catalonia or East Iberia in G25 .

[Defcon2]

49 bucks

Until very recently the Myheritage kit cost $ 49 ... I find it expensive for a reinterpretation of a raw file.

[Luso]

Until very recently the Myheritage kit cost $ 49 ... I find it expensive for a reinterpretation of a raw file.

yeah, it was expensive.

[Luso]

Until very recently the Myheritage kit cost $ 49 ... I find it expensive for a reinterpretation of a raw file.

Double

[Harald Meller]

12% Normandy, you have Viking blood it seems?!

[Lucas]

It was so predictable:)

[Luso]

12% Normandy, you have Viking blood it seems?!

I guess

[Harald Meller]

I think no update is required because obviously this guy has no ancestry from Moorish-controlled South Portugal several centuries ago (which is the timeframe this test looks at). In single distances he is close to Spain Galicia (not to South Portugal) but this is a result of his particular mixture. It looks that his ancestors were sailors - some came to South Portuguese coast from Baleares, some were Normans/Vikings. Strong Celtic origins too as you can see.

[Lucas]

Viking (IX/ X century AD) + Balearic (?) + Celt (Iron Age), all came to south Portugal and created modern autosomal admixture fro user "Iberians "... Hmmm...

EDIT for post below vvv

No French crusaders didn't take part in Iberian reconquista, they have plenty to do in Levant crusades. At least in any substantial way to left impact for 1000-700 years. Single knights could be from elswhere, but their genes were diluted in few generations after mixing with locals.
The same for Vikings in Portugal, even bigger bullshit. Single Viking could settle but it didn't has any meaning (again genes diluted in few generations completely). There was no Viking colonization which would left genetic trace, like in Normandy or British Isles. Only pirate raids.

[Harald Meller]

He is the "child of Reconquista" obviously, like so many people in the South of Iberia, but not everyone (some are more local).

Norman French crusader knights rather than Vikings, is possible too.

[Luso]

He is the "child of Reconquista" obviously, like so many people in the South of Iberia, but not everyone (some are more local).

Norman French crusader knights rather than Vikings, is possible too.

my family did probably sail, they were fishermen, and farmers though.

[Damião de Góis]

No French crusaders didn't take part in Iberian reconquista, they have plenty to do in Levant crusades. At least in any substantial way to left impact for 1000-700 years. Single knights could be from elswhere, but their genes were diluted in few generations after mixing with locals.
The same for Vikings in Portugal, even bigger bullshit. Single Viking could settle but it didn't has any meaning (again genes diluted in few generations completely). There was no Viking colonization which would left genetic trace, like in Normandy or British Isles. Only pirate raids.

Well actually they did. In fact, Portugal's first king is actually half french, after a french knight was granted lands in northwest iberia as a reward.

https://scontent-lis1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50104259_10156807554058608_7065489456987373568_o.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=_ZanMpelM1gAX92juPJ&_nc_ht=scontent-lis1-1.xx&oh=756a58fadfa006afc8250a778384c448&oe=5EE04132

Not saying this about Iberians' results, but just an History point.

[Lucas]

Well actually they did. In fact, Portugal's first king is actually half french, after a french knight was granted lands in northwest iberia as a reward.



Not saying this about Iberians' results, but just an History point.

Ok, but it was complex settlement? Or just few knights settled and married local woman (you wrote one knight even), then their children married locals and so on. If it isn't substantial amount of settlers in one place for long time, such foreign genetic signature is diluted in few generations as every autosomal schema will show. It should be at least such settlement as Normans in Sicily. But still their genetic signature is very weak now if detectable at all.

Germanic admixture could be better Gothic / Suebi heritage as we have many knights here.

[Damião de Góis]

Ok, but it was complex settlement? Or just few knights settled and married local woman, then their children married locals and so on. If it isn't substantial amount of settlers in one place for long time, such foreign genetic signature is diluted in few generations as every autosomal schema will show.

It's possible that some stayed but even if true, that happened hundreds of years ago. But crusaders from other parts of Europe participating in the reconquista is something that happened. Other example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Lisbon

[Lucas]

It's possible that some stayed but even if true, that happened hundreds of years ago. But crusaders from other parts of Europe participating in the reconquista is something that happened. Other example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Lisbon

I know, even some Polish knights participated if I remember well. But I wrote it before, single knights could be from elswhere. But if they didn't settle en masse like Goths /Suebi for example, their impact was close to null for modern Iberians.

[Harald Meller]

This is interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formentera#History

"[...] In succeeding centuries, it passed to the Visigoths, the Byzantines, the Vandals, and the Arabs.

In 1109 it was the target of a devastating attack by the Norwegian king Sigurd I at the head of the "Norwegian Crusade".

The island was conquered by the Catalans, added to the Crown of Aragon and later became part of the medieval Kingdom of Majorca.

From 1403 to the early 18th century, the threat of Barbary pirate attacks rendered the island uninhabitable.[5][6] [...]"

^^^
I wonder where did the inhabitants move after having to emigrate from their island? :rolleyes:

[Lucas]

This is interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formentera#History

"[...] In succeeding centuries, it passed to the Visigoths, the Byzantines, the Vandals, and the Arabs.

In 1109 it was the target of a devastating attack by the Norwegian king Sigurd I at the head of the "Norwegian Crusade".

The island was conquered by the Catalans, added to the Crown of Aragon and later became part of the medieval Kingdom of Majorca.

From 1403 to the early 18th century, the threat of Barbary pirate attacks rendered the island uninhabitable.[5][6] [...]"

^^^
I wonder where did the inhabitants move after having to emigrate from their island? :rolleyes:

Certainly to closest possible place, Portugal :)))))))))

[Luso]

Certainly to closest possible place, Portugal :)))))))))

It was a theory in my family actually.

[Lucas]

It was a theory in my family actually.

So it must be done before year 1403. You have such old family records?


From 1403 to the early 18th century, the threat of Barbary pirate attacks rendered the island uninhabitable.[5][6] [...]"

^^^
I wonder where did the inhabitants move after having to emigrate from their island?

[Luso]

So it must be done before year 1403. You have such long family records?

Just a theory. Could be complete bullshit. I don't think we have records going that far back.

[Harald Meller]

It was a theory in my family actually.

Very interesting! So it seems this family legend may be confirmed.

A test based purely on similarity, such as Lukasz's, would never show you your true mixture. Especially if he would do his "targeted oracle" using only Portuguese references, lol.

But this Lukasz is always criticizing all other methods/approaches.

[Lucas]

Very interesting! So it seems this family legend may be confirmed.

A test based purely on similarity, such as Lukasz's, would never show you your true mixture. Especially if he would do his "targeted oracle" using only Portuguese references, lol.

But this Lukasz is always criticizing all other methods/approaches.

Who are you then to criticize as you are supposedly "new account"?:) Maybe you are Polish user Domen who discussed with me (mlukas) Gallop results and called him and me.... (just use google translate).
http://www.historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=184053&pid=1882138&st=3360&#entry1882138

https://i.imgur.com/J6WOIA6.png

"post 11/05/2020, 10:19 Quote Post

This is a Sample Report, not its results. You're an idiot like this guy."


Yes, Domen called as he called customer Gallop who bought test in 24genetics and for him he made oracle as he is hired for it by them. As you see moderation punished him.

Then on this forum as "Harald Meller" tried to convince Gallop that he was wrong not he sent him wrong report initially. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319827-24Genetics-(Share-your-results)/page2
We can see from post history "Harald Meller" is focused on 24genetics only. And he started post the same things here as on Polish forum user Domen (sample report etc), but without insulting customers...

If he will try to refuse connection, just think why the hell some random "German" user make few long posts about someone else commercial result acting as employee of this company? And discuss the same thing as another random Polish user on another forum. And in both discussion I took part.

And now go figure who on this forum is "Domen" besides obvious sockpuppet "Harald Meller" created only for 24genetics...

[gixajo]

It was a theory in my family actually.

maybe you are a descendant of this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_of_Norway,_Infanta_of_Castile :D

[Luso]

maybe you are a descendant of this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_of_Norway,_Infanta_of_Castile :D

Probably not hahaha :rotfl:

[gixajo]

Viking (IX/ X century AD) + Balearic (?) + Celt (Iron Age), all came to south Portugal and created modern autosomal admixture fro user "Iberians "... Hmmm...

EDIT for post below vvv

No French crusaders didn't take part in Iberian reconquista, they have plenty to do in Levant crusades. At least in any substantial way to left impact for 1000-700 years. Single knights could be from elswhere, but their genes were diluted in few generations after mixing with locals.
The same for Vikings in Portugal, even bigger bullshit. Single Viking could settle but it didn't has any meaning (again genes diluted in few generations completely). There was no Viking colonization which would left genetic trace, like in Normandy or British Isles. Only pirate raids.

Many calvalry orders that participated in the Crusades take part in many battles of reconquista, and many ofthem obtained for that participation lands .Spain and Portugal had a lot of templar preceptories, templar churchs and templar castles. Many castles in border territories with muslims were offered to those Military Orders, and not only Templars, but also Hospitallers and many others.

And nowadays french territories were part of former Spanish kingdoms as Navarra or Aragón, , and we can also speak about the arrival of people and settlers from France who create a lot of villages along te Santiago way. Don´t know in Portugal, but in Spain they are a lot of villages , and borroughs in cities that were settled by Francs.

[gixajo]

Probably not hahaha :rotfl:

Her tomb is in the cloister of the monastery of Silos, I´ve visited it many times:

https://i.imgur.com/rDzqnNy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bqQ91FQ.jpg

[Lucas]

Many calvalry orders that participated in the Crusades take part in many battles of reconquista, and many ofthem obtained for that participation lands .Spain and Portugal had a lot of templar preceptories, templar churchs and templar castles. Many castles in border territories with muslims were offered to those Military Orders, and not only Templars, but also Hospitallers and many others.

And nowadays french territories were part of former Spanish kingdoms as Navarra or Aragón, , and we can also speak about the arrival of people and settlers from France who create a lot of villages along te Santiago way. Don´t know in Portugal, but in Spain they are a lot of villages , and borroughs in cities that were settled by Francs.

But look. Topic was on Normandy here. Not all France. Southern France has many connections with Spain it is obvious. And French Templar Knights has his core in Languedoc. From simple logic, more northern region in France, less impact on Spain.

[gixajo]

But look. Topic was on Normandy here. Not all France. Southern France has many connections with Spain it is obvious. And French Templar Knights has his core in Languedoc. From simple logic, more northern region in France, less impact on Spain.

I was not speaking about the possible iberians ancestry, only speaking about crusader participation in the Reconquista and Frank settlers in the North of Iberian peninsula.

Most likely his foreign ancestry is related with sailors, but , who knows.

[Lucas]

I was not speaking about the possible iberians ancestry, only speaking about crusader participation in the Reconquista and Frank settlers in the North of Iberian peninsula.

Most likely his foreign ancestry is related with sailors, but , who knows.

Carolingian Frank it is another story:) Eerlier than both Norman and French. It was for me biggest source of possible "French-like" impact. But again in NE Spain.

[Harald Meller]

But if they didn't settle en masse like Goths /Suebi for example

You cannot score Goths/Suebi in a test like this based on geographical regions. But if you have above average amount of Northern European ancestry for Iberia, you will score extra French&German or British&Irish percentages. I'm pretty sure that he would also score high French&German in 23andMe.

If he wants to see how Gothic or Suebi he is, he can try a test with ancient samples like MTA or G25.

[Harald Meller]

Carolingian Frank it is another story:) Eerlier than both Norman and French. It was for me biggest source of possible "French-like" impact. But again in NE Spain.

And Southern Iberia was repopulated/colonized from other regions (Northern, North-Eastern, Eastern and Insular) during the Reconquista... You keep shooting yourself in the foot with these stupid comments which contradict your claims and actually explain his results well (Baleares are closely related to NE Spanish mainland, Valencia, Cataluna).

[Harald Meller]

I was not speaking about the possible iberians ancestry, only speaking about crusader participation in the Reconquista and Frank settlers in the North of Iberian peninsula.

Most likely his foreign ancestry is related with sailors, but , who knows.

Yes either sailors or could also be a "snowball effect" - Frank settlers in the north whose descendants later moved further south during the later phases of the Reconquista.

[gixajo]

Carolingian Frank it is another story:) Eerlier than both Norman and French. It was for me biggest source of possible "French-like" impact. But again in NE Spain.

The Santiago way goes from Navarre to Galicia, and basically Portugal was repopulated with Galicians, From North to South, same as the rest of Iberian peninsula, as well as population that remained while muslims retreated South.

Anyway in the particular case of Iberians , the percentage is too great and maybe is a modern input.And is only an estimation, another estimation could give him 0% French.

[gixajo]

Yes either sailors or could also be a "snowball effect" - Frank settlers in the north whose descendants later moved further south during the later phases of the Reconquista.

But anyway, same I said in the previous post, the percentage is too big so probably it´s a modern input.

[Grace O'Malley]

Personally I wouldn't read too much into this report. I've had it done and it reminds me a bit of something you'd get on Gedmatch or Global25. I don't think any genetic test at the moment is really accurate for gauging old ancestry. I personally would like something like IBD analysis. Maybe in the future with more rare alleles they will be able to assess ancestry more accurately.

[gixajo]

Personally I wouldn't read too much into this report. I've had it done and it reminds me a bit of something you'd get on Gedmatch or Global25. I don't think any genetic test at the moment is really accurate for gauging old ancestry. I personally would like something like IBD analysis. Maybe in the future with more rare alleles they will be able to assess ancestry more accurately.

Seeing all the results as a whole , we can obtain some conclussions. We should not take a single estimation as the absolute truth. We must see always all those results as tendencies, same as electoral surveys. And specialy results which are apart from the norm, should not be discarded totally, but they should have less impact in our conclusions.

[JamesBond007]

LOL, I paid for this back in 2019 and I forgot I ordered it so I reordered it by accident ! Oh, well, I bet their technology or analysis has changed since then so hopefully I get an updated report.

[JamesBond007]

Anyway, my report from 2019 is basically saying I'm German more or less must be my super strong Anglo-Saxon ancestry hence why G25 has me with the Dutch and Scandinavians before british isles. For instance, I get high in niedersaschen and saxony-anhalt i.e. lower saxony and saxony-anhalt :


https://i.postimg.cc/BJR8wRBc/24geneticsglobal.png


https://i.postimg.cc/90vj8ZS6/24geneticseuro.png

https://i.postimg.cc/xj7Y1VC6/24geneticseuro2.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fogCpBSOHk

[Grace O'Malley]

Seeing all the results as a whole , we can obtain some conclussions. We should not take a single estimation as the absolute truth. We must see always all those results as tendencies, same as electoral surveys. And specialy results which are apart from the norm, should not be discarded totally, but they should have less impact in our conclusions.

Yes tendencies. I'm nearly always Isles with some Scandinavian but my conclusion now is that this is just basically how some Irish breakdown in these tests. I look at it as more Bell Beaker like. I'm always willing to update my information when something new comes but I know they aren't picking up deep ancestry. The problem also is that we are being matched against modern population panels and another issue is that if you don't fit the samples that you are being matched against the algorithm will compensate by trying to find a population that matches your result. I am interested in deep ancestry because I'm just fully Irish so I have no recent ancestry from anywhere else as far as my papertrail goes. I would love if a test could tell you if you have ancestry from somewhere else 500 years ago or even going back much further. I think they could only do this if they had enough ancient genomes of good resolution and possibly with some IBD matching or if they carried something more rare that they could pinpoint and be able to see if people today could be matched.

With the studies that are being released now they are using ancient genomes and seeing what changes happened in populations over a period of time. This is good for population genetics to see if any invaders left a mark. Hopefully they will be able to do this in the future for individuals wanting to know if they had Norman ancestory or Inuit etc. That's the sort of thing I'd be interested in.

[Vojnik]

Ti si Makedonche.

You are Macedonian.

:D

[gixajo]

Yes tendencies. I'm nearly always Isles with some Scandinavian but my conclusion now is that this is just basically how some Irish breakdown in these tests. I look at it as more Bell Beaker like. I'm always willing to update my information when something new comes but I know they aren't picking up deep ancestry. The problem also is that we are being matched against modern population panels and another issue is that if you don't fit the samples that you are being matched against the algorithm will compensate by trying to find a population that matches your result. I am interested in deep ancestry because I'm just fully Irish so I have no recent ancestry from anywhere else as far as my papertrail goes. I would love if a test could tell you if you have ancestry from somewhere else 500 years ago or even going back much further. I think they could only do this if they had enough ancient genomes of good resolution and possibly with some IBD matching or if they carried something more rare that they could pinpoint and be able to see if people today could be matched.

With the studies that are being released now they are using ancient genomes and seeing what changes happened in populations over a period of time. This is good for population genetics to see if any invaders left a mark. Hopefully they will be able to do this in the future for individuals wanting to know if they had Norman ancestory or Inuit etc. That's the sort of thing I'd be interested in.

Yeah, today´s genetic tools have a lot of limitations, maybe they will improve, specially discriminating ancient and modern inputs or as you say, being more accurate pointing every time input.

Is what we have for now, let´s have fun with what we have.

I like to see people that is practically full Irish, Hungarian or Finnish. In today´s world, they are endangered "species", even knowing than anyone is fully anything, or "pure", and taht is anything better than not being so "pure".:)

[Grace O'Malley]

Yeah, today´s genetic tools have a lot of limitations, maybe they will improve, specially discriminating ancient and modern inputs or as you say, being more accurate pointing every time input.

Is what we have for now, let´s have fun with what we have.

I like to see people that is practically full Irish, Hungarian or Finnish. In today´s world, they are endangered "species", even knowing than anyone is fully anything, or "pure", and taht is anything better than not being so "pure".:)

Yes it will be less common in the future. Even country towns in Ireland have plenty of "outsiders" now. Just the way things are in this globalised world. :)

[gixajo]

Yes it will be less common in the future. Even country towns in Ireland have plenty of "outsiders" now. Just the way things are in this globalised world. :)

In a globalized world, for now, maybe some things could change after covid-19.

Or maybe not...

[Luso]

Personally I wouldn't read too much into this report. I've had it done and it reminds me a bit of something you'd get on Gedmatch or Global25. I don't think any genetic test at the moment is really accurate for gauging old ancestry. I personally would like something like IBD analysis. Maybe in the future with more rare alleles they will be able to assess ancestry more accurately.

True. Even on Gedmatch I tend to score some extra Baltic/fennoscandinavia than the average Iberian which may skew my genetic tests at times.